NY 167: COMPLETELY NORMAL Mafia (GAME OVER)

[orcinus_theoriginal]

greetings, strange peoples.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

ETL's camping trip, I scumread you, you flipped scum.
Mismatched I town read you in the end and you flipped town.

Can't remember any others.

Regarding the ETL game I replaced into a slot you thought was scummy so I was at a loss. You even greeted me as scum. However I convinced you for a day that I wasn't scum and that Aqua was...

VOTE: guyett

[orcinus_theoriginal]

^
That was quick

VOTE: sakura hana

sorry my last vote was a typo

[orcinus_theoriginal]

i want to play.

where did you go

[orcinus_theoriginal]

WHERE DID YOU GO

i must have you

come bak

pls

[orcinus_theoriginal]

i dont like your cheekiness

[orcinus_theoriginal]

greetings, strange peoples.

Greetings scum.

sup

i dont like your cheekiness

And I liked you more when you were voting scum.

ok

VOTE: guyett

why is he scum again

[orcinus_theoriginal]

greetings, strange peoples.

Greetings scum.

sup

i dont like your cheekiness

And I liked you more when you were voting scum.

ok

VOTE: guyett

why is he scum again

[orcinus_theoriginal]

why is he scum again

Being Hypocritical and selectively scumhunting.

and this is scum more likely than just bad town because?

i mean sometimes stupid townies feel the need to pounce on retarded things that are really widespread

guyett doesn't look too experienced

[orcinus_theoriginal]

guyett doesn't look too experienced

i take this back.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

well you've made my day really easy

thank you guyett

i do appreciate that

[orcinus_theoriginal]

greetings, strange peoples.

Greetings scum.

hey you should come back!

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I never left. The guy you replaced, Rank, is my brother from another mother. We've been playing mafia together for like 10 years. Him replacing out means he was scum. Means you are scum. You should tread carefully, because between you and FratBoys, I've got two mafia and its still early on D1

So you're misreading someone you've played with for 10 years

Retardedness or scum?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Because I'm fucking pissed off at being set up as D1 lynch every fucking game. I missed the start of the game and so I'm already on the back foot. People should kbow by now that I'm quite a slow starter. My D1 is pretty shite but I get much beyter as I go on. I'm not going to give some bullshit excuse that I've been doing a gambit to get scum on my wagon as I dont do that anymore... I just had no motivation earlier in the day and once I get the time and motivation to catch up the usual suspects fucking tunnel me and this really fucking annoys me.
Fuck all of uou. I'm done. I expecr to be hammered when I get back home from the pub

I love the duality of the word "hammered"

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Hi, orcinus. You should read the thread and post some thoughts so I can see if you're obvtown or scum. 'Cause my thoughts on you in NY165 were about as real as scumthoughts can be.

Our vote will probably remain on RadiantCowbells until he cuts the bullshit. But JS is also an acceptable vote. Cabd's list is okay, but I don't completely agree on all fronts, particularly sangres/Hana/Hermy.

~Jekyll

NEVER MENTION THAT GAME

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Guyett is a stupidly easy lynch and I've decided that I dislike it.

It's been a while since I played but I don't think defeatism is scum, especially on day fucking one. Seems more like angsty town.

UNVOTE:

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Oh wait LOL LET ME DO THIS

VOTE: mc maraca

Ily <3

Pedit: Strike above

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Basically, i'd rather let Cabd sort this kind of thing out considering he has more experience in being with ffery on hydra as scum.

If ffery has suddenly chosen to cast off every single fucking lesson I've taught her about being scum over our multiple morph scumgames AND our nightly google talk chats, then sure, she can be scum. Not to mention I specifically mentioned her hiding behidn the other head as a scumtell in the thread earlier. You think ffery scum sees that and goes "Well i'll be damned, better do exactly what cabd just said is a scumtell for me" ?

Is it just me or is this WIFOM tho

Pedit: VOTE: Mc Maraca VOTE: Mc Maraca VOTE: Mc Maraca VOTE: Mc Maraca VOTE: Mc Maraca VOTE: Mc Maraca VOTE: Mc Maraca VOTE: Mc Maraca VOTE: Mc Maraca

[orcinus_theoriginal]

My game in 165 was a travesty

I felt apologetic to the people I associate myself with after that game

Pedit: suck something.

It's k ill write a case sometime tonight

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Pedit: suck something.

I often do. Speaking of sucking, a case wont make your vote suck less.

Guyett is a silly vote.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

VOTE: Jacobsavage

ok

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Upon ISOing, I would classify Guyett as a light scumread, but I still don't understand why he's getting so many votes.

Pedits:
@orci: Uh you know you were just doing it right
@Cabd: I only fakeclaim masons with slots I'm sure about

???

Doing what

[orcinus_theoriginal]

You realize that I RVS voted Guyett because he was online at the time and apparently there were votes on him, and unvoted immediately after i saw the buildup to his L-2?

Just making sure

[orcinus_theoriginal]

AFB are voting Guyett because... literally no apparent reason? They've mentioned him a couple times but not in a 'this is my top scumread' way.

So, what gives, guys? I don't understand why this wagon exists, and he doesn't seem particularly worse to me than, say, JacobSavage.

Its possible I forgot to trasnlate my thoughts into a post.

He is doing things I tend to do as scum. His selfvote was not encourging and him bothering to point out he was at L - 2 w/o unvoting is just scum trying not to look like they are flailing. Him "trawling for reactions" it and ending up on ffery shows he was just lookingfor a "valid" excuse to move his vote. His attempts at scumhunting are uninspired and his rage reads fake to me.

His ISO screams discouraged town

His earlier posts to me were cutesy in a scum way, sort of pointed but not really doing anything. Trying to blend in, no real attempts to find scum (except highly contrived and immediate ffery case out of the blue, making them a plausible buddy).

I dont' see him trying to blend in. I see him with posts like "I haven't been able to get into this game".

In particular, him pointing out we have no completed games together rang alarm bells. I attempt to discredit meta reads on me when Im scum like that. He is totally not considering the possibility that I have read games of his and instead tries to handwave my suspicion away without following up on it or figuring out if it has a base to it? Thats scum.

MAYYYYYBE.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

You realize that I RVS voted Guyett because he was online at the time and apparently there were votes on him, and unvoted immediately after i saw the buildup to his L-2?

Just making sure

Why are you RVS voting on page 29?

Guess, because it couldn't possibly because I replaced in and wanted some real-time interaction.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

You realize that I RVS voted Guyett because he was online at the time and apparently there were votes on him, and unvoted immediately after i saw the buildup to his L-2?

Just making sure

Why are you RVS voting on page 29?

Guess, because it couldn't possibly because I replaced in and wanted some real-time interaction.

And RVS voting is the best way to generate real-time interaction?

This is a dumb question, but have you replaced in to a game before?

RVS voting people who are online at the time yes

And yes, but I don't think anytime recently. I will check.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

You realize that I RVS voted Guyett because he was online at the time and apparently there were votes on him, and unvoted immediately after i saw the buildup to his L-2?

Just making sure

Why are you RVS voting on page 29?

Guess, because it couldn't possibly because I replaced in and wanted some real-time interaction.

And RVS voting is the best way to generate real-time interaction?

This is a dumb question, but have you replaced in to a game before?

RVS voting people who are online at the time yes

And yes, but I don't think anytime recently. I will check.

Ha! I just remembered you RVS voting me several pages into the Polygamy game. I think it was more like 8 pages, but I had the same wtf why are you RVSing that phase is OVER reaction in that game too.

It was the same reasoning - I was online to interact with/get a reaction from.

<3

Er Sangres unless you play under an alt I think maybe you are getting a bit mixed up

I don't think we've played together before?

And I could not find a replacement game that's even remotely recent

[orcinus_theoriginal]

OH WAIT

OH WAIT

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA it's early and i'm stupid.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

OH WAIT

OH WAIT

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA it's early and i'm stupid.

Early.. what part of east/ south east asia are you from?
I ask as my girlfriend is travelling around there at the minute and I know its early morning where she is

I swear I didn't know she was seeing someone.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I'm in Beijing

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I'm in Beijing

cool. My dad was working in Shanhai for a while and my gf was in Tibet and then Sichuan but now shes in Cambodia

Oh, my ex was in Shanghai and my mom's side of the family is from Sichuan. Coolio.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I think AP's insistence on Guyett is starting to worry me, now that I think about it

Hello MVP. Do I have meta with you or not

[orcinus_theoriginal]

that is indeed how cabd hydrae work

[orcinus_theoriginal]

holy shit toomai have you contributed anything original yet

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Hey orci, are you implying you've read the thread?

uhhh

like the first 20 pages? not yet

VOTE: orci

-L. J.

sup

[orcinus_theoriginal]

oh well i skimmed a few ISOs if that counts that's why I was accusing Toomai

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Angryfratbros deserves rope. Dude replaced into a slot that bailed out very early in the game. Townies don't tend to bail that early. They see what shakes out, read, and dive back in as time allows. Scum however has a team counting on them, working a strategy, and there's more pressure on a scum slot to be involved/present.

I'd just like to put this here.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

People I want to failmeta (because I suck at meta):
Sakura
orci if he keeps playing like this

Wait hang on it didn't click that you were cephrir when I first read this post

You have meta with me...

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Orcinus, sorry man. Like I said, its a bs read and I feel bad for it. But you replaced into a scum slot.

its k i need to be sorry for ignoring you but i find your arguments jackshit

if you have such extensive history with rank then why don't you want to lynch me first over BRO? seems contrived

secondly i did a meta of rank just out of curiosity to see if you had a legit argument or if you were making shit up and i'm leaning towards the latter. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=30965 i am seeing quite a few rank pots in this thread d1.

so yes i quite agree with you that it is a bs read

now step back and let the adults do the work

[orcinus_theoriginal]

You have meta with me...

I do too.
And you're either playing really really lazy or you're not town (or both).

-L. J.

then you don't have meta with me because in my town games as of late i've lurked like shit especially in large games (165 aside but even in that one i had a lull in d1->d2 i think)

also i asked you this and you didn't respond so what's up with that

[orcinus_theoriginal]

so why are you passively sitting your vote on me again

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Mara, just because I don't mention his RL stuff doesn't mean I'm not aware of it. Dude read the 100 page D1 game on his honeymoon and we lynched scum D1.

P-edit: So, where's the vote I asked for? You're here now. Back me up. Rally some other people too (I think there are some people here that will back you if you ask.) Help me lynch scum. Or at the very least help me scum hunt.

He's like a million votes from hanging and you won't even heat him up with a vote. What. The. Literal. fuck. You are scum.

I'm not asking for a hammer for Gods sake. I'm asking townies to pile some votes on a guy who is L-7 or L-8 which might as well be L-1 million.

are you just avoiding my request for substantiated evidence for your claim now

cute.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Not sure what to make of this "likeabauss vs. Rank-slot" thing.

I guess I can ask: likeabauss, are you so sure on your meta-replace-read that you would be willing to go 1-for-1? I'm not saying it's a good idea or anything, I'm asking if you're that confident.

I will be V/LA the majority of Friday and Saturday.

ok wow

you're asking bauss ifhe's confident

wow have you read his posts

[orcinus_theoriginal]

so why are you passively sitting your vote on me again

Better than a vote on a chronic lurker.

-L. J.

ok so who are your scumspects

because right now i have very little

bauss is wrong but he's also town

ceph seems ok

i have no idea what you are

do you want to talk about afb/sangres/mcm?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

likeabauss why is AFB scummier than orc considering the supposed meta tell you have from Rank, and why isn't your vote on orc then?

if you're going to repeat what i exactly just said could i at least get some credit

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I'm still townlean on AFB but it's weakened, i'd jump on orc tho, just to see where that goes.

VOTE: sakura

this slot is shit.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

pressure votes don't work if you say that it's a pressure vote so there is actually no reason for 901

899 is just parroting what i just said in the hopes of getting towncred for ocntributing

841 is a load of fence and i think your ass should be hurting by now

AND HELLO FUCKING HELLO I'VE ASKED FOR ACTUAL META OF RANK REPLACING OUT AND NONE HAS BEEN GIVEN

so sakura is just hopping onto random fucking arguments

gg

[orcinus_theoriginal]

pressure votes don't work if you say that it's a pressure vote so there is actually no reason for 901

What makes you think it's a pressure vote? I'm not even voting you and you're already getting like this, guess bauss is right

I'm still townlean on AFB but it's weakened, i'd jump on orc tho, just to see where that goes.

bauss' comments on orc are interesting yes, but i dont think either of them is scum yet. (Inb4 fence sitting).

[orcinus_theoriginal]

My comment was just to see how much conviction did bauss' principle had

Yeah i can post quotes too.

you told us before that you lied about reads to pull gambits

why then didn't you lie about your read on me

there is a distinctive lack of town motivation behind your voting

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Actually that vote just now looked like town-Sakura.

-L. J.

what the fuck is going on in this game

[orcinus_theoriginal]

there is a distinctive lack of town motivation behind your voting

Maybe there is, maybe there isn't, but that isn't for me to say i'll just let people judge my actions.

You however jumped on me when I only made a comment of probably voting you, and I already said I made that comment to see if bauss would decide to go after you today despite what he said.

i wonder why people want so badly to find out bauss' conviction on his read on me since he lacks any evidence to produce

You KNOW how certain bauss is on his read by his posts. and what is the town-motivation behind this curiosity in the first place?

i jump on you because you're testing the waters and "just to see where that goes" fucking right that's a pressure vote

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Also, my history with Rank goes outside of and beyond mafia on this board. So just doing a meta dive here doesn't yield an awful lot in the grand scheme of things. I don't get that people here will generally accept Mara or Nachos read on TIP without question, but I throw down on Rank and its a great big production.

holy shit this annoys me

why the fuck are you not linking to a game

lol@sakura

we're lynching this today

[orcinus_theoriginal]

i wonder why people want so badly to find out bauss' conviction on his read on me since he lacks any evidence to produce

No, i was finding his conviction on "letting you live D1" even if your wagon took off rather than just getting you dead today.

and what would that tell you

[orcinus_theoriginal]

why the fuck are you not linking to a game

wait let me answer myself

BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE ONE

i produced a game ONSITE where rank was scum and he most CERTAINLY DID NOT LURK D1

the only thing you've put up this game in terms of concreteness is that rank had a good d1 as town

well gee fucking gee

i used the word "postulate" in some other game and I was town

I haven't yet--that means I'm scum, right

and what would that tell you

We won't find that out now since you screwed it up, tho unlike Toomai, the way you did it was pretty scummy, you just kept standing around there and found the first chance to jump on a townie, the momment i mention an intent to vote you "BAM!" you vote me :>

HAha

HAhahahaHAHAaha

no

the moment you do something ass-scummy like that BAM I vote your ass off this game

buhbye

[orcinus_theoriginal]

and what would that tell you

We won't find that out now since you screwed it up, tho unlike Toomai, the way you did it was pretty scummy, you just kept standing around there and found the first chance to jump on a townie, the momment i mention an intent to vote you "BAM!" you vote me :>

nope if you are doing a reaction test i get to know what you intended with your test otherwise it's just something scummy that you're covering up

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I think orc has already made some scummy reactions so you dont need to rely on your Rank mafia history, what do you think?

maybe there is a connection between the two but i'm wavering between that. I still like bauss for town.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

yeah i was just iso'ing him i think that's town

[orcinus_theoriginal]

yessiree reminds me of TIP but worse tbqh

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I missed Orcinus. :/

wut

[orcinus_theoriginal]

because I suck at sorting you

do you want to talk about sakura though?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Also orci have you played with sakura before?

P-Edir: k so the first option.

i think I have but I just don't remember it

So yeah basically no meta knowledge

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Are you caught up?

Sakura is keeping her cards a lot closer than she used to. Nacho will probably have a stronger opinion than I do, but I liked her push on you, and I like that she called bauss out for not going after his strongest read.

you are talking to me

so i'm assuming you disagree with sakura's push?

and for the love of god I CALLED BAUSS OUT for that and she parroted


fuck this game

[orcinus_theoriginal]

So let's go with your logic:

1-Replacing out day one is a scumtell.
2-Rank enjoys day ones.
3-Rank replaced out day one.
4-Rank's slot is scum.

So since the actual data totally disproves (1) why should 2-4 still be valid? Do you have some evidence of this you can cite?

Cabd go sit down at the corner and have yourself a timeout.
Because this post reeks.

#1 is not the first logical step of LTB calling rank's replace out and you know it.

-L. J.

This.

No, not this.

Angryfratbros deserves rope. Dude replaced into a slot that bailed out very early in the game. Townies don't tend to bail that early. They see what shakes out, read, and dive back in as time allows. Scum however has a team counting on them, working a strategy, and there's more pressure on a scum slot to be involved/present.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

<3 u

also guyett is not here i thought i would like people to not forget that.

Pedit: no. in the bauss quote i gave he says that replacing out day 1 in a scumtell.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Here's what I hate about this game so far... There's about a half dozen players doing this meta/history/relivingtheglorydaysofanotherepicgame/casual but deliberate buddying/bs. It's obfuscating real conversation and sorting. I get it, we're all friends here. And I understand we all have our own methods of scumhunting... But this has gotten far away from productive in my opinion. Sure, there's a number of players barely posting, but this non-productive banter is enabling that behavior. It's easy to hide or lurk when the cool kids club is attracting all the attention. So, fellow cool kids, let's focus the conversation a bit better.

Angryfratbros deserves rope. Dude replaced into a slot that bailed out very early in the game. Townies don't tend to bail that early. They see what shakes out, read, and dive back in as time allows. Scum however has a team counting on them, working a strategy, and there's more pressure on a scum slot to be involved/present.

Dudes entry to the game was straight inside joke buddying. "Hey so and so. Don't mislynch my like last game. Tee-hee. Herp Derp." Not cool. Then a bunch more bs spam, useless fluff. Somewhere in the middle of it, another head jumped in and added to the wtfery.

I saw some town cheer leading "Scummers, get in here and post." which loosely translates to "I'm a posting machine, so obviously not scum. The scum just aren't posting."

Plus, there was the whole "Gym fist, then knowledge." Everybody knows you can't skip tanning and laundry and go straight to schooling bitches. GTL, then lynching scum. Get your mind right first. Only gready grimy scum would suggest skipping the laundromat.

There's more, but I'm mobile only for a bit and it's tough to quote and do real work.

his only reason in his first accusation of angrybro

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Errr

I'm not getting that vibe

also btw we should also be considering policying RC today

same argument as in BSG

[orcinus_theoriginal]

also and is it just me or is toomai focusing exclusively on low hanging fruit

[orcinus_theoriginal]

and mvp should express an opinion about something soon

ok i'm going to play league bye

[orcinus_theoriginal]

@bauss is there a particular reason you want wake88/fratbros dead before rank/orc

you're blind

[orcinus_theoriginal]

shit, son.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

yessiree

[orcinus_theoriginal]

so where are you think for your vote today

[orcinus_theoriginal]

the wake slot is scum

i dunno why you're scum though, ask my brain maybe

i don't think i'd have a lot of luck with that

why wake

[orcinus_theoriginal]

also btw we should also be considering policying RC today

Why is policy lynching RC more important than lynching supposedly caught scum me?

"CONSIDERING"

@bauss is there a particular reason you want wake88/fratbros dead before rank/orc

you're blind

So I'm parroting yet he's blind? selective scumhunting much?

did you miss the part where I said I thought yesiree was town or are you just trying to find dirt on me because you're scum?

the latter.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Pikachu can you enlighten us about the people lurking this game? Town/scum/third party?

5. JacobSavage maybe scum given meta
7. caledfwitch have not looked at yet
8. Guyett* increasingly scum given he was run up to l-2, and has been lurking ever since wagon defused
12. Hermy have not looked at yet
13. PeregrineV i remember PV lurking as town but I'd have to hceck
14. RadiantCowbells policy bait
15. Toomai picks on low-hanging fruit, thinking scum

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Pedit: no. in the bauss quote i gave he says that replacing out day 1 in a scumtell.

But that's for one of his reason for scumreading

AFB

, not Rank. There's a difference.

LTB clearly said that Rank's rep out d1 is scummy because Town-Rank loves d1 and he wouldn't rep out D1 if he was town.
As reaching as it sounds, his logic is based on his meta on him, regardless of his willingness to prove it or not. However, what MCM did there was that he butchered down his logic to make it sounds like his logic is based on some stupid overgeneralized theory.

sure

but what do you think about his stupid overgeneralized theory that he's using on his scumread stronger than me

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Ok so why should be considering policy lynching RC when you've supposedly caught scum?

i really hope you don't breed.

because i and everyone else can always be wrong about our reads and because some people have disagreed with my read on you

by your desperation on discrediting me i assume that i am not, however, wrong this time.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

by your desperation on discrediting me i assume that i am not, however, wrong this time.

It's called questioning whether your actions match your words. But thanks for confirming that they dont since you didnt answer the question and proceeded to discredit me by saying im desperate for discrediting you.

Ok so why should be considering policy lynching RC when you've supposedly caught scum?

i really hope you don't breed.

because i and everyone else can always be wrong about our reads and because some people have disagreed with my read on you

by your desperation on discrediting me i assume that i am not, however, wrong this time.

how the fuck did i not answer your question

can we please get some votes on this

[orcinus_theoriginal]

You don't seem to be considering you being wrong about your reads tho, you seem fairly convinced.

I on the other hand didnt realize that was the answer to the question so I apologize for that.

i am fairly convinced, yes.

what is your point here (i assume you have one)

Pedit ill hurt you if you don't do something productive

[orcinus_theoriginal]

would you be against providing a readslist

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I on the other hand didnt realize that was the answer to the question so I apologize for that.

and how did you miss that it was basically the entire post

wait this might actually be scummy

because scum don't care or discerning alignment they just want a scapegoat so they tunnel on scumy details

so they're more likely to miss the clear gist ofa post /and/ pick up on something to sling mud for

maybe, i don't know.

pedit: your own, always

pedit: holy mother of jesus

i would consider policy lynching RC if nobody else hops on your wagon

it takes more than one man to lynch scum

is sakura normally this thick

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I am allowed to have multiple people whom I would be ok with lynching, and I am allowed to have preferences in that pool

[orcinus_theoriginal]

and if my read weren't so strong on you, then yes i would be ok with a policy lynch on RC

BSG was the first game where I advocated policy lynching. I PL people who I feel I won't be able to get a better read on as they post more. RC will be one of these people.

So even if my scumread is higher on you than on RC, I would still consider my policy lynch because I know that RC has to be lynched at some point or other, and leaving you alive for one more day will allow me to consolidate my read on you. So I'd rather RC go day 1 and you go day 2 than RC go day x>1


But fuck you

VOTE: sakura

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I would still consider my policy lynch because I know that RC has to be lynched at some point or other, and leaving you alive for one more day will allow me to consolidate my read on you. So I'd rather RC go day 1 and you go day 2 than RC go day x>1

And why couldnt you have said this when I first questioned you?

this selective quoting is scummy as fuck.

here is the first sentence of what I wrote

and if my read weren't so strong on you, then yes i would be ok with a policy lynch on RC

Here is the first part of the sentence which you conveniently cut off

So even if my scumread is higher on you than on RC,

so NO, I DO NOT WANT TO LYNCH RC OVER YOU

BUT I WOULD BE OK WITH A LYNCH ON RC AS A LESS DESIRED TARGET

please lynch this

im going nuts

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Sakura, orcinus.
Orcinus, Sakura.

I was serious when I said this.
Because it just looks like it's a playstyle clash.

im sry

1) selective quoting
2) opportunistic testing waters
3) deliberately obtuse

which of the above is a playstyle characteristic over a scum characteristic

[orcinus_theoriginal]

mvp why is cabd/mara scum?

Pedit: the awkward moment when scum realizes his easy lynch isn't going to work

[orcinus_theoriginal]

also

mvp

would you be willing to tell me which heads of sangres/angrybro/maraca you have meta with

it helps me evaluate your reads

Pedit@Sakura: haha nice try

[orcinus_theoriginal]

So let's go with your logic:

1-Replacing out day one is a scumtell.
2-Rank enjoys day ones.
3-Rank replaced out day one.
4-Rank's slot is scum.

So since the actual data totally disproves (1) why should 2-4 still be valid? Do you have some evidence of this you can cite?

Cabd go sit down at the corner and have yourself a timeout.
Because this post reeks.

#1 is not the first logical step of LTB calling rank's replace out and you know it.

-L. J.

Pedit: no. in the bauss quote i gave he says that replacing out day 1 in a scumtell.

But that's for one of his reason for scumreading

AFB

, not Rank. There's a difference.

LTB clearly said that Rank's rep out d1 is scummy because Town-Rank loves d1 and he wouldn't rep out D1 if he was town.
As reaching as it sounds, his logic is based on his meta on him, regardless of his willingness to prove it or not. However, what MCM did there was that he butchered down his logic to make it sounds like his logic is based on some stupid overgeneralized theory.

This is a really shitty reason to scumread cabd andthe slot might be scum but not for this reason

bauss used "stupid overgeneralized theory" to scumread APBro so it seems logical to me to assume the same for Rank. His logic is based on said theory and is enforced by Rank's specific meta. That's the same vibe I got.

If you disagree then you can scumread me too but this is just wrong.

mvp why is cabd/mara scum?

That one terrible misrep from Cabd is enough for me. And Purple defending it with "I didn't do it. Cabd did."

And you realize that when one head of the hydra gets questioned by something the other head did they typically do defer to the other, right?

I mean fery and I do the same.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Angryfratbros deserves rope. Dude replaced into a slot that bailed out very early in the game. Townies don't tend to bail that early. They see what shakes out, read, and dive back in as time allows. Scum however has a team counting on them, working a strategy, and there's more pressure on a scum slot to be involved/present.

Dudes entry to the game was straight inside joke buddying. "Hey so and so. Don't mislynch my like last game. Tee-hee. Herp Derp." Not cool. Then a bunch more bs spam, useless fluff. Somewhere in the middle of it, another head jumped in and added to the wtfery.

I saw some town cheer leading "Scummers, get in here and post." which loosely translates to "I'm a posting machine, so obviously not scum. The scum just aren't posting."

Plus, there was the whole "Gym fist, then knowledge." Everybody knows you can't skip tanning and laundry and go straight to schooling bitches. GTL, then lynching scum. Get your mind right first. Only gready grimy scum would suggest skipping the laundromat.

There's more, but I'm mobile only for a bit and it's tough to quote and do real work.

His accusation of APBro.

Exactly one thing in this entire post is something serious that applies specifically to APBro and not the rest of the town.

His entire read on APBro was based on him replacing into the game

So

:/

[orcinus_theoriginal]

im sry

1) selective quoting
2) opportunistic testing waters
3) deliberately obtuse

which of the above is a playstyle characteristic over a scum characteristic

All of the above I've seen Sakura do it as town.

so tell me why sakura is town pls

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Dudes entry to the game was straight inside joke buddying. "Hey so and so. Don't mislynch my like last game. Tee-hee. Herp Derp." Not cool. Then a bunch more bs spam, useless fluff. Somewhere in the middle of it, another head jumped in and added to the wtfery.

I saw some town cheer leading "Scummers, get in here and post." which loosely translates to "I'm a posting machine, so obviously not scum. The scum just aren't posting."

Plus, there was the whole "Gym fist, then knowledge." Everybody knows you can't skip tanning and laundry and go straight to schooling bitches. GTL, then lynching scum. Get your mind right first. Only gready grimy scum would suggest skipping the laundromat.

other reason #1:

a half dozen players doing this meta/history/relivingtheglorydaysofanotherepicgame/casual but deliberate buddying/bs

so this isn't specific to BRO
other reason #2: Oh please this isn't a serious reason
other reason #3: Oh please this isn't a serious reason

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Branding LTB's reasoning of scumreading AFB as "rep out d1" theory alone is strawmanning.

bauss scumread AFB because he replaced in d1

the other reasons in his post were afterthoughts to go along with it, and only one of them remotely made sense. towards the end of the post he was grasping at straws falling off a cliff

[orcinus_theoriginal]

but let's be honest mvp it doesn't really matter whether or not you agree with me with regards to bauss' reasoning

that's the vibe I got, that's assumedly the vibe maraca got

it's a shitty reason to strongly scumread a slot on

Pedit: what's your point...? I don't care about bauss' read on AFP. I am trying to show you that your scumread on maraca is unfounded

[orcinus_theoriginal]

hoooooooly shit if you go one more post without giving fucking evidence of rank replacing out d1 as scum

this refusal to give evidence has reached unprecedent levels

[orcinus_theoriginal]

you know what i'm just going to call complete and utter bullshit on his rank meta right now.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

His accusation of APBro.

Exactly one thing in this entire post is something serious that applies specifically to APBro and not the rest of the town.

His entire read on APBro was based on him replacing into the game

So

:/

Big misrep. In that post I even state, THERE'S MORE.

you have no idea what the convo was about do you

[orcinus_theoriginal]

cephrir what do you think about the inactives in our town

also i dream to someday be on a scumteam of bro/cabd/ap/mara

someday.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

oh yeah everyone should read 1059 to understand why bauss is not to be taken seriously this game

[orcinus_theoriginal]

i'm ok with people voting other people but not with people sheeping bauss cases.

toomai is trash.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

JacobSavage, AngryFratBoys is conveniently on your wagon (which has run up with absolutely no coherent case of any merit) just like he was on the Guyett wagon (similarly run up with absolutely no coherent case of any merit.) Doesn't that make you wonder? You are clearly not the best lynch right now for a town player, IMO. Why wouldn't he want to lynch between me and Orcinus to clear the air? Why is he just following the easy wagons? There is no town aligned logic that explains this behavior, because he is scum.

this appeal

this

fucking

appeal

[orcinus_theoriginal]

anyone who doesn't want to lynch between likeabauss and orcinus is scum

And who do you want to lynch?

what the actual fuck with your quoting

this deliberate selectiveness trying to frame cephrir for thinking that

holy fuck

VOTE: sakura

[orcinus_theoriginal]

i don't believe for a second that you're this stupid

this is the third or fourth time you've tried to explain your scummy action with "i'm stupid and didn't read properly"

I bought it three or four more times than I should've

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Like at first I was like "ok maybe this is null and sakura is scum for other reasons"

no more

this is scum from head to toe

[orcinus_theoriginal]

It's not always what it looks like, but orc's jump looks to me like he's just grapsing at straws =/ like srsly. Every single thing I do he makes it look the scummiest possible ever.

so you don't think what you are doing is scummy

[orcinus_theoriginal]

and my native language isn't english either and i put up with it just fine

[orcinus_theoriginal]

is that BRO?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I've decided I'm currently in favour of the likeabauss case. I just feel like he's making more sense right now.

Vote: Angry Fat BROs

Still V/LA.

Is anybody reading this as town? I'd be fine flashwagoning it.

i am ok with sakura toomai rc today in that order

you guys need to talk to me about sakura im being really unproducive right now

Pedit: am i going to regret townreading you for it again

[orcinus_theoriginal]

JacobSavage, AngryFratBoys is conveniently on your wagon (which has run up with absolutely no coherent case of any merit) just like he was on the Guyett wagon (similarly run up with absolutely no coherent case of any merit.) Doesn't that make you wonder? You are clearly not the best lynch right now for a town player, IMO. Why wouldn't he want to lynch between me and Orcinus to clear the air? Why is he just following the easy wagons? There is no town aligned logic that explains this behavior, because he is scum.

This just in, anyone who doesn't want to lynch between likeabauss and orcinus is scum

Ceph, you're scaring me with how cogent you're being :/

wait why

is he actually scaring you

i can't tell and i jumped a little bit because ceph is my strongest townread right now and if my reads on sangres/you/mc weren't so wishy-washy i'd be suggesting a d1 townblock

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I guess Ceph never called Sakura scummy for it, but the editing out the words and pics makes it look intentional to me.

yeah how the fuck do you manage to "accidentally" edit out the three words to a sentence that give it tone and meaning

[orcinus_theoriginal]

that's just WIFOM

there's not town motivation in that

there's scum motivation but not much

still more than the former tho

[orcinus_theoriginal]

why js over toomai or rc for you?

or any of the other lurkers whose been given absolutely absymal and worrying attention

[orcinus_theoriginal]

the thing is i once downplayed a player for being too stupid once to be scum

she flipped scum

mara in our first game together

NEVER AGAIN

[orcinus_theoriginal]

i hate this game

i hate it, i hate it, i hate it.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

has there been a memo passed around to ignore anything i say and any trace of sensible behavior and just troll me to the ground for every game i've been in since xenoblade?

because serene fucking got it

mara got it

and apparently now this entire fucking town has got it

and is sheeping bauss on a meta read that he has provided ZERO evidence for DESPITE being asked for it REPEATEDLY.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

you know what i'm not even going to bother with this game anymore

it's tough for me to care about a game as town these days

and when i put in the effort and get flashwagoned for no fucking reason

i give up

you guys earn a big fat finger up your collective asses.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

and when i put in the effort and get flashwagoned for no fucking reason

Maybe if you weren't trying to get me mislynched with BS reasons I wouldn't see you as scum.

and the scum gloats

oh how she gloats.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

im busy til tuesday night

incidentally mvp why aren't you voting AFB?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

im busy til tuesday night

you gayass shit.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

sorry i take that back

ur not a gayass shit

but you're seriously pissing me off.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

1) if you're town (which we know you aren't) you'd be suspicious of two meat heads randomly defending you. Seems like good/reasonable play to me.

because your case on me is shit

[orcinus_theoriginal]

rank's meta doesn't support your claim which is why you've refused to provide it despite it being the obviously townie thing to do

so that's why you're slinging mud on me and asking me to be lynched second because when i flip town you have no excuse anymore

i've fooled myself for long enough

VOTE: bauss

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I am in no way obliged to take this shit.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I don't mind when people scumread me.

I mind when I get 50 trollvotes hopping on a reason that's not related to me and when I ask for actual proof for said reason nothing happens

I am not obliged, believe it or not, to do anything for this town. I am not obliged to entertain you by assuming your posts come from a place where thought actually occurs


I am honestly not enjoying myself at all right now.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Sup Orcinus.

Is this nacho or fery

orc you only have like 4 votes

come on now

it's not about the votes I have

I have been lynched while being much happier about a game than I am now

Look at the top two wagons. Neither make a lick of sense.

Nobody in this town is willing to see anything logical

We have 5 lurkers and nothing is being done about them

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Let me go through this playerlist.

1. MC Maraca (hydra of Mara and certainly not Cabd): we are ok with an orci lynch holy fucking why
3. Sakura Hana: can somebody TELL ME why I'm wrong on this read it's driving me nuts
4. sangres (hydra of Nacho and ffery): what the fuck nacho is high on i do not know
5. JacobSavage: lurking shitsack
7. caledfwitch: lurking shitsack
9. likeabauss: It's a rock that talks.
12. Hermy: lurking shitsack
13. PeregrineV: lurking shitsack
14. RadiantCowbells: lurking shitsack
15. Toomai:lurking shitsack
16. yessiree*: shitsack
17. TheIrishPope: useless with a smug sense of condescending ignorance

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Is this nacho or fery

fery.

Who in your list of shitsacks do you think are scum?

Toomai and JS but let's be honest I really don't care.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Toomai has 0 votes

And BRO has 5

Like

It's not even fun at this stage when all the lurkers just hop onto random places

And the people who are making an effort get punished for it

It's like playing RNG golf

sigh i had hopes for this game

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I have never seen you like this in a game. :/

I have never had a game like this.

VOTE: rc

[orcinus_theoriginal]

i enjoy your use of the semicolon

[orcinus_theoriginal]

jake's about 5 years old

I'm very busy but I will try to make a post otnight

Can I get a summarized version of the case on me

[orcinus_theoriginal]

There is no case on me and I'm getting scumread for freaking out when I

really don't want to be lynched

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I'll claim at intent to hammer, thanks.

Also, the mysterious phantom case.

I was going to put up a wall tonight but I think I'll get my homework for tomorrow night out of the way, and then I can do this tomorrow night. Thanks for understanding.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

lol

this game tho

[orcinus_theoriginal]

i fucking hate playing PRs

get off my wagon or at least get me to l-2

i don't fucking trust this town lol

cop

and i still deserve the case on me?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

the invisible meta strikes again

but it's ok

PRs stress me out

if someone hammers me before tomorrow i have the added benefit of going to play hearthstone

life is good

fuck you guys though this is the most retarded game I've ever played and also the first time I've been D1 lynched

whatever

i'm impressed at how bauss managed to get me lynched by being retarded and spouting blatant bullshit

[orcinus_theoriginal]

you are trash

[orcinus_theoriginal]

i don't understand why people are jumping in to claim credit for lynching the town cop

but ok

this game was silly

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Hi ceph

a claimed cop is sitting at L-1 in a retarded town

i feel like you should be a bit more anxious about this

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I was going to do this later tonight, but ok

Tonight I'll be trying to get to everything in this thread. I just want to open up to talk about the most frustrating aspect of this game though.

Really and truly it felt like I'm trying to play with a village that had a fucking stupid agenda. I mean, let's recap what's happened in this game.

1) Bauss comes out stating I'm scum. I don't have a problem with that. But there is no goddamn case on me.

I've asked him plenty of times for his evidence for his meta. He has provided none. Cephrir has asked him. He's provided none. Why are people agreeing to a case that is so blatantly made up?

2) I jump on sakura for being obvscum. She OMGUSs. People then proceed to discredit my case without a smidgeon of reasoning why. Closest that came was MVP who said "Oh yeah she does this as town too"

well thanks then how are you supposed to read people if not for doing scummy shit

3) People just keep sheeping bauss. I mean I just don't fucking get it dude. I don't. And I have never been trollwagoned like this before. Never have I been bought to L-1 on a fucking invisible case. Ever.

I mean, here are the steps to my wagon. 1) Drive a serious wagon on orci 2) ignore his request to know the reasoning behind his wagon 3) vote him more when he yells

I mean seriously what the hell

It's my first game back and I'm stuck with this shit.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Regarding recent pages: I thought TIP was town coming into this but I guess not? Feels to me like immature scum trying to holler at his scumbuddies to quickhammer. The last few pages should be pretty instrumental in determining alignments at lylo.

I feel confident about my read. Ffery said she was concerned because she felt like orcinus has been ignoring her reach outs for the greater part of the day. We WERE looking for some broad strokes analysis from him, but so far I see nothing that even looks close to the sort. I'd like to give him some time for some actual analysis though, and not the shit he's put forward in thread so far.

Hey asshole. If you're going to post shit like ISO 119-121, don't expect me to do jack for your approval in the game.

Bauss' initial reaction was silly as fuck and then he made a post correcting his trajectory. So aside from acting deliberately anti-town with my wagon that was weird. I didn't think he was scum before because someone was actually talking to me a while back about bauss being really bad as town, but I'm starting to feel like this isn't just bad town anymore. I didn't have that much of a problem with his posts before his awkward as fuck reactions.

On the note of bauss, his attempts to make yesiree his sheep are shitty as fuck. I mean,

Yessiree, we played together in Open 517 and we caught scum D1 on some simple nuance. Reread D1 there, look at what we bagged uncledaphne on. Sheep me on FratBros? I've got far more on him than we did on uncledaphne that game.

What the hell

I mean tbh bauss is like the devil child of varsoon and mastin which is fucking terrifying

But yeah I have to look over buass later tonight. My posts won't be too structured. I'm doing this while watching OGN.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

My meta will reveal that I only vote when absolutely convinced of someone's guilt, and rarely move said vote.

Last time I heard htis I think it was from mara while she was scum.

Oh yeah mara

Cabd and mara: why are you scumreading me

Guyett is weirding me a little. I feel like his vote swings a bit too freely to be scum, but he could just be jumpy.

Thinking back on it I do think TIP is scum, just for his silly shit with me claiming. Also, why is caled drawing more attention to TIP?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

*than TIP

[orcinus_theoriginal]

It's not uncommon for scum to claim town PR when they are ran up. You cannot be certain orc's claim is genuine.

This claim also injects the element of WIFOM into our judgement, as I don't see the authenticity of it.

If you want to convince people otherwise, you'd have to show that his play is in line with being a town cop.

k

You haven't shown how my play was in line with being scum all fucking game. I mean, you people don't even bother. My wagon started maybe 4 days ago. I asked for a case yesterday. I have gotten jackshit. Nothing. Not even quotes. There is nothing on me.

Like, how I even got driven up to L-1 baffles me incredibly.

And no fucking shit you can't be certain my claim is genuine, you can't be certain of anything in this game. What we do is we try to make lynches that maximize utility to town. The reason why PRs aren't kept at L-1 (hi TIP) is because town stands to lose more than if it were a VT claim and scum often tries to take the opportunity to hammer them (hi TIP)

Good lord this

cannot

be news to you

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Yes. That is what I said.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Hey Nacho what did you hope to achieve by parroting bauss' shit case again?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Didn't like you, trust strong meta reads. Why wouldn't I?

oh I assumed that you weren't being an asshole for the sake of it

last time i checked you read me as town when i was scum, and then scum when i was town

so i'm not too sure where you get off being so sure of your meta read that you don't even interact with me

seems kinda scummy doesn' tit

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Didn't like you, trust strong meta reads. Why wouldn't I?

oh I assumed that you weren't being an asshole for the sake of it

last time i checked you read me as town when i was scum, and then scum when i was town

so i'm not too sure where you get off being so sure of your meta read that you don't even interact with me

seems kinda scummy doesn' tit

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Hermy

Why am I scum

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Everyone

Why is Sakura not scum

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Also MVP mia

[orcinus_theoriginal]

It's not uncommon for scum to claim town PR when they are ran up. You cannot be certain orc's claim is genuine.

This claim also injects the element of WIFOM into our judgement, as I don't see the authenticity of it.

If you want to convince people otherwise, you'd have to show that his play is in line with being a town cop.

k

You haven't shown how my play was in line with being scum all fucking game. I mean, you people don't even bother. My wagon started maybe 4 days ago. I asked for a case yesterday. I have gotten jackshit. Nothing. Not even quotes. There is nothing on me.

Like, how I even got driven up to L-1 baffles me incredibly.

And no fucking shit you can't be certain my claim is genuine, you can't be certain of anything in this game. What we do is we try to make lynches that maximize utility to town. The reason why PRs aren't kept at L-1 (hi TIP) is because town stands to lose more than if it were a VT claim and scum often tries to take the opportunity to hammer them (hi TIP)

Good lord this

cannot

be news to you

It's simple, really. I trust Bauss's ability to read his brother correctly. That's the entire case on you, and that's enough for a lynch. Guilty until proven innocent.

How do I prove myself innocent against a case that does not exist

Are you missing the whole point where bauss is clearly pulling something out of his ass because he will give no meta example

What town motivation is there for the above

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Hermy's ISO shows awful trajectory on his read on me

First he calls me town

Then he sheeps bauss out of nowhere saying that bauss will go next if he is wrong

And now he's championing my Lynch incredibly hard

[orcinus_theoriginal]

How do I prove myself innocent against a case that does not exist

well, as I see it, by your flip. if you were to flip town you can tell bauss to "STFU you can't read ur bro for shit"

i was going to talk to you some more but this post tells me that that would be an exercise in futility

[orcinus_theoriginal]

what should we do wiht the lurkers

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Orcinus could in fact be scum.

going to need more than this

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Sak gets labelled as town after the exchange with TIP because it's first time I felt I can understand something coming out of her

sakura is the more sane out of her and tip

TIP.

I mean this is not saying much my friend

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I need to choose better games to wnter

[orcinus_theoriginal]

And even if I didn't think Orcinus was scum, I'd still think it highly suspicious that on D1 he claimed cop after his previous play for the dayphase. I don't think it jives at all. If he was actually town, why not lie and claim vanilla? Or BP? Breadcrumb and try to get some investigates off? An outted cop on D1 is getting RB'd or dead... and fast.

and why was i outted, bauss

because you drove a shitty content-less wagon on the cop

so i couldn't fakeclaim becuase i needed the wagon to leave

this is a new level of bad

[orcinus_theoriginal]

JS, caled, RC.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

JS, caled, RC.

Then how about we lynch caled today

So we are not lynching caled today

JS or RC it is

[orcinus_theoriginal]

why.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

VOTE: caled

[orcinus_theoriginal]

It's not even fun at this stage when all the lurkers just hop onto random places

And the people who are making an effort get punished for it

It's like playing RNG golf

[orcinus_theoriginal]

you have balls to lynch and uncounterclaimed cop

good on you

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I'd like to take this opportunity to point out that Orcinus is practically begging for a CC. He, amongst others, keeps referring to the fact that we can't hang him without a CC. Guess why? Does that strike anybody as a town mindset?

You can't hang me because I'm a cop

Fucking hell

[orcinus_theoriginal]

wooooooooooooooooooooooooooosh

[orcinus_theoriginal]

On Orcinus... its because he's scum. Why can't we just pull together and lynch him? There's enough of a case on his play alone, by experienced familiar players.

who

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Let's follow the witch.

Vote: Guyett

@Orc-

Your lack of strong obv-towning as you approach impending death to make up for crappy play does not really fall in line with the cop role and town wincon.

Why is that?

VOTE: Orcinus

VOTE: Orci

VOTE: orc

Unvote
Vote: Orc

I don't really feel motivated, and I

don't know why.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

do you have actual accusations

that you can spell out and that i can reply to

[orcinus_theoriginal]

JS, caled, RC.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

also bauss and sakura

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Nobody has been willing to interact with me much so I am lost on my town reads. Maybe cephrir is the closest.

I find your hydra suspect because you are scumreading me and you dont normally reach out to me when you are doing that. I dont' know how much of our personal friendship plays into that though.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

JS, caled, RC.

JS lurking meta
caled same as cabd's reasoning
RC is policy

also bauss and sakura

you should know why

[orcinus_theoriginal]

You have a policy scumread on RC? Jacob tends to lurk as either alignment, but not a bad scumread. Caled has an iso other than that single statement.

My RC stance is my stance on lurker in BSG

I disliked caled's reads list in 1404 and I dislike MVP for supporting it (probably because MVP was listed under town).

CALED'S SUPER AMAZING (BUT ALSO SILLY) READS LIST

(yay content!)

:

town or

town

• MVP - Your direct posts are a big town tell for me (thumbs up coming soon)
  the fuck does this mean
  
  sangres - Confidence is a big town read for me, as more confident players usually take up leader roles
  this is just wrong
  
  Toomai - Also quite confident, which is reassuring.
  more of wrong
  
  
  AFB
  - I don't actually see how these guys are particularly scum-ish, but I want to see more level-headed posts from BRO-head, because arguing on the Internet doesn't help. A case on this guy would be great
  ...so why are they town? also lol at arguing on the internet
  
  
  JS
  - I liked that one reads post apart from what I felt was interpreting Guyett incorrectly.
  the fuck?

null

• Cephrir - save the sarcasm for later, you have time to think your posts through
  Yeah this isn't a serious attempt to actually read people
  
  Hermy - still looking for that reads list you mentioned in post 843
  PV - post 1395 sounds townish but I have a feeling that you'll be giving someone a twist package during the night instead >__>
  ????
  
  Sakura Hana - why would you change your meta this game?? wouldn't acting town give you a better chance
  TIP - Surprised your post count has been so low for someone who everyone argues about.

scum or

scum

• Guyett - I've seen how he reacts to a wagon as town, and this isn't it. He's acting way too chill to be town.
  yessiree - how is it so easy to catch scum?? is JS shit posting the only reason you voted for him?? "your opinion doesn't matter"??????
  
  likeabauss
  - Your posts are good but your reliance on the support of other people is suspicious. Make a good case, and others will follow.
  There are reasons bauss is scum but this is not one of them
  
  
  orcinus
  - *votes* 3 posts later *shifts vote* ???? put some thought into what ur doing
  there are reasons i seem scum but this is not one of them
  
  
  RC
  - obvious town my ass

hrrrrrrrrrk idek

• MC Maraca - you two are like a tipping seesaw to me, idek whats going on!!!
  This level of thinking tho

zero analysis.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Peregrine has a poor looking ISO aside from promises of bulletproof vests.

...

shh

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Reads list. Whether you agree with it or not, it's content and there's substance. Oh look, Guyett and Orc are both scum-reads.

Yeah no.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Sangres, I feel like you're trying to talk yourself out of voting for Orcinus. All the indications you've alluded to suggest he's scum based on your experience? Nacho trusts my Rank meta and if my previous assumption is correct your gut read on Orcinus says scum... so what gives?

I just don't get this board sometimes. People will flash wagon a noob who didn't do anything scummy, but won't hang a well known veteran who is basically screaming "I'm scum."

<------true statements

this statement---->

hi

it seems like you have been sitting back and dishing out your read-switches on me without an actual effort to ascertain that read

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Sangres, I feel like you're trying to talk yourself out of voting for Orcinus. All the indications you've alluded to suggest he's scum based on your experience? Nacho trusts my Rank meta and if my previous assumption is correct your gut read on Orcinus says scum... so what gives?

I just don't get this board sometimes. People will flash wagon a noob who didn't do anything scummy, but won't hang a well known veteran who is basically screaming "I'm scum."

As it stands, I'm going to vote orcinus before I leave. But I don't want him to go down quietly because "no one will interact with him".

Sigh.

In this game you essentially have a seperated village which is fairly different from anything else I've seen. It's almost like competing tribes in Survivor. It seems to me like bauss is getting more sheep than he should be, and that suggests a scum-connection underlying those players. but I really can't tell because i just don't understand some of their actions.

I haven't even bothering with Bauss' 'arguments' because they are so ridiculously silly. He has given NO rank meta. He spins narratives. Like, I can't fight against a lynch that is built on the basis of "oh yeah we drove a contentless wagon on you and your reaciton was scummy".

You are not looking for my reaction to the right thing. And I can't fucking do analysis + don't want to do analysis when I am driven up like this.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

You realize that I RVS voted Guyett because he was online at the time and apparently there were votes on him, and unvoted immediately after i saw the buildup to his L-2?

Just making sure

Why are you RVS voting on page 29?

Guess, because it couldn't possibly because I replaced in and wanted some real-time interaction.

I don't really know where you disengaged from this mode and stepped into "analyze things, play the game" mode.

How about my push on sakura

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I think you missed the align right part of this post but the point remains, yes, I'm quite uncertain about you but don't feel the need to deal with it immediately because I don't plan on lynching you today and it's looking like you may get lynched whether I like it or not, so not really worth the effort yet

Well whatever. I'm pissed as fuck that I'm close to being lynched day 1 (which has never happened) as a cop (which also has never happened)

whatever

Let's talk about MVP

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Sangres, I feel like you're trying to talk yourself out of voting for Orcinus. All the indications you've alluded to suggest he's scum based on your experience? Nacho trusts my Rank meta and if my previous assumption is correct your gut read on Orcinus says scum... so what gives?

I just don't get this board sometimes. People will flash wagon a noob who didn't do anything scummy, but won't hang a well known veteran who is basically screaming "I'm scum."

As it stands, I'm going to vote orcinus before I leave. But I don't want him to go down quietly because "no one will interact with him".

Sigh.

In this game you essentially have a seperated village which is fairly different from anything else I've seen. It's almost like competing tribes in Survivor. It seems to me like bauss is getting more sheep than he should be, and that suggests a scum-connection underlying those players. but I really can't tell because i just don't understand some of their actions.

I haven't even bothering with Bauss' 'arguments' because they are so ridiculously silly. He has given NO rank meta. He spins narratives. Like, I can't fight against a lynch that is built on the basis of "oh yeah we drove a contentless wagon on you and your reaciton was scummy".

You are not looking for my reaction to the right thing. And I can't fucking do analysis + don't want to do analysis when I am driven up like this.

Currently your wagon consists of bauss + people that trust bauss in his read. I understand that the wagon is sketchy and baseless with one exception, but in a case like that I would still eect more than I'm seeing here.

Speaking of bauss, when did he turn scum? We talked about how narrative spinning was more of an alignment neutral thing.

*shrug*. You've seen me as jack-useless town. Why is this surprising?

NArrative spinning is scummy, but only when done deliberately. I originally thought that he just had lapses in logic (and sanity) and that's why I was giving him a pass, but it's been getting ridiculous. First the Rank meta. Then the reaching out to people felt more like building a cult of personality than support for a wagon (it's like a fucking politician). Then the misreps.

I mean there are so many reasons why bauss is scum. The only reason why it took me so long to reach that read was because I was giving him a pass based on past meta failure.

I just hope that he'll stop being so cock-ass sure of himself after he lynches a fucking cop. But I doubt it.


I really dislike people who just tunnel blindly.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Are lynchers present in this setup?

That would make sense actually.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

i flip town

analyze my "flip"

[orcinus_theoriginal]

BECAUSE I AM A FUCKING COP

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Hold on Ceph, case is coming.

Oh look, the case comes after the l-1 vote

Fuck you with a stick

[orcinus_theoriginal]

normally i'd call you scum but i'm not even going to bother at this point

you're all just bad

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Oh sorry I misread the VC

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Sakura Hana [L-8] - MC Maraca

are you serenading my soul

VOTE: sakura

[orcinus_theoriginal]

will make my reply to stuff tonight

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Quick thoughts

I have to try to get to Nacho's thing really quick but I'm in class right now. Sorry guys, I got caught up with a surprise exam last night.

This town is fucking stupid and I don't understand why Cabd didn't just keep his soft hidden

Bauss is scumreading sangres and supporting their case on me at the same time? His case still lacks meta. And let me pick up this gem:

Rank has NEVER subbed out on a D1 of a game with me, ever.

Still a distinct lack of meta. Put out a nice case that cites only a hydra game, where you can't see rank's posts in ISO. Nice.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

why is he scum again

Being Hypocritical and selectively scumhunting.

and this is scum more likely than just bad town because?

i mean sometimes stupid townies feel the need to pounce on retarded things that are really widespread

guyett doesn't look too experienced

As orc opens up the game, he distinguishes very clearly between bad town and scum. Yet we feel all of his later attacks have had an overarching theme of "bad, so scum". Orc does have these tendencies as scum, but as town, he's usually better at distinguishing them from his normal rage, and usually backs down a bit from them.

Because this town has an overarching theme of "bad" and I've given enough shits

I never left. The guy you replaced, Rank, is my brother from another mother. We've been playing mafia together for like 10 years. Him replacing out means he was scum. Means you are scum. You should tread carefully, because between you and FratBoys, I've got two mafia and its still early on D1

So you're misreading someone you've played with for 10 years



Retardedness or scum?

We didn't like this post because we felt this is the type of response that orc wouldn't let go easily. As town, he would dog the hell out of bauss because a meta read like this isn't something that you pass over with a one-shot response when you're in a town slot. When someone calls a meta read like this when you're in a town slot, you let the thunder loose because they're being an absolute idiot fucking up reading the one person they're supposed to have a handle over, or they're making an attempt to mislynch a slot of someone with meta authority that they

had

but didn't want to pull because they would peg them immediately if they tried to pull something like that and you bring down holy hellfire down in response. The fact that orc let this slide showed that he was more interested in burying it because he felt he would be able to discredit bauss/push things off with a strong power role claim.

No. I don't respect Bauss as a player based on what I've heard about him. If mollie got majiffy wrong or something I'd be on her case like a bloodthirsty dog, but I don't value Bauss nearly as highly as I do mollie. As such, I'm ok with letting him being wrong on Rank slide.

Guyett is a stupidly easy lynch and I've decided that I dislike it.

Can you believe orc ever said something like this? We can't, considering the rest of his pushes (with the sole exception of bauss whose push is essentially a delayed OMGUS attempt).

I don't understand what this means.

pressure votes don't work if you say that it's a pressure vote so there is actually no reason for 901

899 is just parroting what i just said in the hopes of getting towncred for ocntributing

841 is a load of fence and i think your ass should be hurting by now

First attack is an attack for not having optimal scumhunting strategies which is dumb.
And the fencesitting comment was attacking Sakura for what was a little too transparent (inb4fencesitting) bit which is one of the easiest things to attack that I've ever seen. It's essentially taking an attack that was given to him even though it's not the type of thing that scum generally do.

I'm scummy (inb4 scummy)

Yeah Im still going to call you out on that, sorry

And did you even fucking read the other shit sakura did

you told us before that you lied about reads to pull gambits

why then didn't you lie about your read on me

There's a lot wrong with this statement. "I lied once for a gambit" doesn't mean that "I lie when I don't know what to do" and the whole reason that fencesitting is a scumtell is because it's either A) leaving options open so she can push mislynches or defend him later, or B) too bad at scum to fake reads. Telling her to fake reads defeats the purpose of the fencesitting scumtell. There's also the possibility that this was a sarcastic statement, but that's just discrediting setting up for a later push.

This was not an attack. This was me trying to understand her thought process

She said that she lies about reads to pull gambits. That would be very much applicable and effective in the case of her read on me. So I wanted to ask her about that

Are you caught up?

Sakura is keeping her cards a lot closer than she used to. Nacho will probably have a stronger opinion than I do, but I liked her push on you, and I like that she called bauss out for not going after his strongest read.

you are talking to me

so i'm assuming you disagree with sakura's push?

and for the love of god I CALLED BAUSS OUT for that and she parroted


fuck this game

He acted like Sakura sheeping his point (admittedly his best point) was some revolutionary shit that was actually worthy of some significant complaint, but it really wasn't :/. It wasn't like Bauss was an easy target, and it wasn't like there was any need for her to push that point in a significant way.

How about because I JUST FUCKING SAID THAT SAKURA PARROTED ME AND THEN THE NEXT PERSON GIVES HER CREDIT FOR IT AND THAT FRUSTRATES ME BECAUSE IT IS A TESTAMENT TO HOW ILLITERATE EVERYONE IS HERE

Ok so why should be considering policy lynching RC when you've supposedly caught scum?

i really hope you don't breed.

because i and everyone else can always be wrong about our reads and because some people have disagreed with my read on you

by your desperation on discrediting me i assume that i am not, however, wrong this time.

I don't understand how this is discrediting at all, actually. Wondering why you would go for the RC policy lynch over the strong scumread was a valid question!

sure

1) selective quoting
2) opportunistic testing waters
3) deliberately obtuse

1) The selective quoting is usually for reading pleasure as opposed to anything else. The words that she left out had absolutely nothing to do with her point of "why wasn't this your original response".
2) Opportunistic testing waters was bullshit, assuming that it refers to your earlier fencesitting bit.
3) Deliberately obtuse is the worst reasoning for anything ever, and is scum's favorite reason in order to attack someone whose logic they think they can beat.

"selective quoting is for reading pleasure"
You cannot be serious.

The words she left out were very fucking important to what the quote actually meant
You're going to have to give me more than "bullshit", though judging by this case so far I doubt you will
Nacho is the scummiest person ever.
^This is about what you are doing in your entire case.

the thing is i once downplayed a player for being too stupid once to be scum

she flipped scum

mara in our first game together

NEVER AGAIN

Is this supposed to cover up all of his "this is bad" attacks instead of "this is scummy attacks" that you've dropped on the thread? I can see freaking out over things that are exceptionally bad, but you're attacking things that are sort of scummy and weaving them into horrible, horrible things.

"I'm attacking things that are sort of scummy"

God forgive me for my sins

you know what i'm not even going to bother with this game anymore

it's tough for me to care about a game as town these days

and when i put in the effort and get flashwagoned for no fucking reason

i give up

you guys earn a big fat finger up your collective asses.

This was scummy because it was so premature; orc is stubborn as hell and when he latches onto something, it takes a hell of a lot more than a bad wagon on him in order to force him to shit down completely.

Have you taken into account that i am a cop yet

Becuase this seems like something relevant to my play so far in this game and you wouldn't miss it if you were actually trying

2c

Toomai and JS but let's be honest I really don't care.

There is no case on me and I'm getting scumread for freaking out when I really don't want to be lynched

These two quotes don't make sense together, and they are only a few pieces apart. Orc knows that he has two motivations: motivation as cop to survive, and motivation as townorc the player to impart some sanity to the thread before he dies. As town, the motivation overwhelming both of those is to find scum and make them die or set them up to die. The fact that motivation for him as townorc and him with a town wincondition disappears but the cop motivation remains is a sign of scumvenience and nothing else.

Have you SEEN me as town recently

Because if so arguing that i lack town motivation is a scum sign is bullshit

#138 and #139 are both the start of the broad strokes analysis we were hoping for, but neither of them scratches the surface of "unfakeable" or even "townleaning". The centerpiece of all the analysis he's given this game is his push on Sakura which is a case that consists of "she's bad" and is more contentless than the case that's been put forth against him in thread so far.

if you insist on not reading I don't know what I can say to you

#171, he complains about no one reaching out to him. We try to reach out to him, he spits back out the same piss poor content he had been providing all game. His transition to bauss from bad town to scum has no good trajectory in his ISO; instead, it looks like his read tranferred from bad town to scum when he realized when discrediting wasn't going to work.

Let me get to this below

I mean there are so many reasons why bauss is scum. The only reason why it took me so long to reach that read was because I was giving him a pass based on past meta failure.

I just hope that he'll stop being so cock-ass sure of himself after he lynches a fucking cop. But I doubt it.

First bit doesn't even make sense with the second bit; it sounds like he's convinced he's scum, but the second bit clearly assumes bauss town (otherwise lynching a cop wouldn't be humbling).

I worded this badly. There are many scummy things bauss has done. etc etc

The "lynchers" comment was horrible and I shouldn't even have to get into why.

please do, you condescending jackass.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Sup.

Vote: orcinus the_original

Dear Cephrir,

I never left. The guy you replaced, Rank, is my brother from another mother. We've been playing mafia together for like 10 years. Him replacing out means he was scum. Means you are scum. You should tread carefully, because between you and FratBoys, I've got two mafia and its still early on D1

when you've made it explicitly clear that are going to be stupid this game

i do not feel obliged to give you shit that you ask for

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I would still consider my policy lynch because I know that RC has to be lynched at some point or other, and leaving you alive for one more day will allow me to consolidate my read on you. So I'd rather RC go day 1 and you go day 2 than RC go day x>1

And why couldnt you have said this when I first questioned you?

this selective quoting is scummy as fuck.

here is the first sentence of what I wrote

and if my read weren't so strong on you, then yes i would be ok with a policy lynch on RC

Here is the first part of the sentence which you conveniently cut off

So even if my scumread is higher on you than on RC,

so NO, I DO NOT WANT TO LYNCH RC OVER YOU

BUT I WOULD BE OK WITH A LYNCH ON RC AS A LESS DESIRED TARGET

please lynch this

im going nuts

This is quoting for convenience.

Yes it is.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

JacobSavage, AngryFratBoys is conveniently on your wagon (which has run up with absolutely no coherent case of any merit) just like he was on the Guyett wagon (similarly run up with absolutely no coherent case of any merit.) Doesn't that make you wonder? You are clearly not the best lynch right now for a town player, IMO. Why wouldn't he want to lynch between me and Orcinus to clear the air? Why is he just following the easy wagons? There is no town aligned logic that explains this behavior, because he is scum.

This just in, anyone who doesn't want to lynch between likeabauss and orcinus is scum

anyone who doesn't want to lynch between likeabauss and orcinus is scum

And who do you want to lynch?

This is quoting for convenience

Yes it is

[orcinus_theoriginal]

also i love sakura's trajectory on guyett

I was trying to trace it through her ISO because it was a strong scumread when I replaced in

The trajectory ends as abruptly as a rock's flight

[orcinus_theoriginal]

VOTE: RC

Would much rather flash-wagon this. I'll be pulling an all-nighter tonight writing papers, so I can switch to SH if nobody wants to join me.

Either works. I will be here through to deadline, though in 30 minutes I will be busy (am ditching exam review to write this) and I will be on my phone for a bit after that

Is anybody here right now

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Cephrir talk to me about jacobsavage

[orcinus_theoriginal]

He's scum? The only thing I see in his iso that makes me feel even remotely okay is him not jumping at the chance to lynch you, but that really isn't much.

Is JS meta lurkscum activetown?

I do not have an impression of him

[orcinus_theoriginal]

What are we doing about the morons

It is better we sort them now thanhave them in lylo

[orcinus_theoriginal]

gay shit.