Prozac's Basic Theme 4 - Murder in Marlowe - OVER!

[pirate mollie]

hi guys

wats going on

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your right its bbm's fault

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god I am bored already

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lets do it!

VOTE: reck

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VOTE: pirate mollie for hitting on me.

sc i already explained this!

you all look alike in the dark

hi aj!

[pirate mollie]

mollie i thought u were hydraing with frog

we were and now we aren't.

[pirate mollie]

mollie i thought u were hydraing with frog

we were and now we aren't.

is it bc you got scum and froggy didn't want to play scum w/ you?

it isn't fair to expose my seekrit psychick powahz in this way reck. pple might check the sign-ups and notice that he outed before roles were sent!

vote stands

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UNVOTE: Bins
VOTE: mollie

c'mon

hi cdb!

is there something you wanna talk about?

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I am here dave!

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hi blackberry!

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UNVOTE:

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I wld just like every1 to know that if i were to fakeclaim as hider in order to hide my true role (NOT that I wld ever do such a silly thing) that I wld NOT be saying that I hid behind strangerkitty.

eta: xpost w/ marquis

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VOTE: strangerkitty

I ain't skeered.

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one of these people on the Coug wagon tell me what this wagon on Coug is about?....thinking am missing it.

don't you find it the least bit strange that strangerkitty is only interacting with only like 2 pple? I mean that alone shld be noteworthy I wld think.

I for 1 am wondering why he is ignoring the person who started his wagon especially since I made a specific reference to a game we were in that he shld have picked up on. don't you find that weird?

[pirate mollie]

okay. a few things.

gonna start here:

UNVOTE:

The lack of a counterwagon bugs me.

I am going to

VOTE: mollie

yanno, I expected to have to deal with some paranoia in every game after ff7 but this is a bit premature. i don't even know what you are trying to accomplish here. I am never a good lynch on d1, ever, even if I am scum. if there are scum in the game then I will likely find them, I mean I did that in ff7 even going the extent of of offering up traitor!cephrir as a tasty nk for the team:



also you will likely find associatives cos I drop them like mad that is why I tend to do best in smaller teams or multiball. but usually I am an early nk and you know it give scum a chance to sort me out before you go fucking the game up by trolleytracking cos of some stupid leftover paranoia w/o giving me a chance.

so that is a very bad vote. d2 or even further in the game, yeah mebbe but the placing of this vote is bad so lets look at what led up to it.

you have stated that you have townreads. I am not sure what the purpose of stating that was since you did not say who those reads were so there wasn't really a doorway into any type of discussion so what was the point? if you want to discuss reads then yeah okay I am game but that was just fluff.

you told bins to do stuff or die and then she is like I am eating turkey and i guess you felt good enough about it to leave her alone? okay.

I don't have you as town yet cos so far you are pretty out of step. the only thing that you have done that I liked was that you backed off of reck. I am unsure of reck but when you unvoted it seemed pretty natural.

I think I am going to break these posts up in chunks cos I have a bit to say and I hate quote striped wall posts I am a total purist that way.

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@ ckd

not gonna lie, I am probably gonna ignore your question cos false equivalency arguments bore me and I wld like to think that we are both better than that.

I am guessing that your intent was to tease out a more direct line of reasoning as to why i think strangerkitty is scum.

and this is where I stumble and gnash my teeth cos i can tell you why but more than likely you will dismiss it cos OMG I THINK HE IS SCUM FOR REAONS THAT MIGHT BE OUTSIDE OF YOUR EXPERIENCE. but I will try to explain it anyway.

I think i have 3? mebbe 4 completed games with sc? tbh i didn't know how he was gonna act around me considering the last game we played together was an abomination and 1 I am not fond of remembering. I lost my shit cos a misogynistic douche spent 400+ (not kidding, 400+ posts that included my name) dedicated to how I must be the sk cos the sk was hitting scum. I am being very srs that was the crux of his argument. but anyways

1 game that I am fond of remembering even tho town lost was when I got an early townread on sc and after was outed as a special cos some dumb fucktard decided to scumhunt off of their vanilla role pm I fakeclaimed hider (we were the vig) in order to do dodge a nk. I felt so very very very confident in my townread on sc that on d2 when I saw that he was alive I said I hid behind him. yaye! he was town! unfortunately he got lynched in lylo, I think partially due to nacho's stupid townread on desperado which kept me off of desperado way longer than it shld. pie shld have gone with my townread but whatev.

and I think I townread him in another game too. my point is, when sc is town I KNOW HE IS FREAKING TOWN and I am not feeling it this game. usually I can follow his thoughts (except when he is talking about light switches), he is just 1 of those players that I am able to slide into harmony with when we are both town and I AM. SO. NOT. FEELING. IT.

also i don't think I have ever actually hit on strangerkitty BUT HOW CAN I EVEN START TO IF HE IGNORES MEH. HE SAID HI WITH HIS RVS VOTE AND WHAT, NO QUESTIONS FOR THE PERSON WHO STARTED HIS WAGON IN THE FIRST PLACE LIKE OMG.

I feel fairly confident that sc is scum or else I wld not be pushing it. I like sc, I always have even if we have never actually shared a "moment" in mafia. I wldn't push him if I did not think that there was an above average chance of him flipping scum.

so there you go.

[pirate mollie]

I will get to the responses in a sec I want to get all of my thoughts out first.

can we all make a pact to say r & e * c # k (minus the symbols) in every post so that he will read the game? cos all he does is hit search for his name and that is what he responds to.

I have a slight townlean on reck btw.

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now lets talk about zito.

hold on a moment, cos i am bit over this read.

zito was like "hi mollie" and I was happy to follow his lead, even when I thought his read on reck felt a bit forced and manufactured when he started to push it.

but this. THIS.

Also do you have any thoughts on your wagon?

Not right now. I want to know what scotmany12 and Flameaxe are up to right now, but I'm a bit tired to think, and I don't think they're necessarily scum. They're not on the top of my town list, however.

The answer, of course, is shenanigans.


Hello from the Houston Museum of Natural Science, where I'm sleeping tonight. It's lights out in 2 minutes so gnight errybody.

makes me wanna weep.

I am not feeling good about zito at this point but I am going to a bit to see if I am misjudging as in I better see a post to me or 1 to flame that I can wrap my head around.

oh! I am liking flame, probs the player who I am most in tune with at this point as far as game pivot.

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Majority of the reason I voted you is that I'm townreading CDB, and you were the only person who was being voted by only townreads (granted it was one). Im not really paranoid because you know when I do get paranoid I'll start waffling all over the place regarding you and you also know if I was waffling I'd at least put the ball in your court.

I stated townreads yes which I realized didn't leave much open for discussion. A big part of it was because one of them was Marquis who, if scum, I wouldn't have wanted him to know I was already townreading him.

My first 3 townreads were Marquis, CDB, and Davsto.

The fourth one I added on was spiffeh.

After my reread, I added AJ, catboi, and blackberry.

I told bins do things or die and I hadn't been back in this game since because I have been in MD all weekend and this game was low on my priorities but while yes it does bug me, it's not alignment indicative and I know she will do things if I give her space which is why I am.

I've been out of step for ~reasons~ that don't really have anything to do with the game at hand.

you are going to have to unpack those townreads on cdb, aj, catboi and blackberry for me. have you played a forum mafia game with cdb before?

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VOTE: coug

1) mollie is a townlean
2) mollie is convincing me to rejoin the wagon
3) ckd is starting to become a reluctant townlean. i think i might just have a problem with him/his play expectations being old and stodgy and stuff. this is what i felt about coug earlier, but ckd's first response to my vote back in my face felt pretty... okay and even then it's stronger than i thought for coug
4) i'll address the question when i get back to a comp later
5) yes i fully expect backlash for my blatant ~bandwagoning~

pedit @notty: nah don't

pedit2 @mollie: zito's original push on reck was absolutely manufactured and i thought everyone was just going along for the fun of it. not sure what you mean unless you're saying the fact that he even did that is sketchy. taking that "shenanigans" quote in mind i'm following your thoughts there too since it does look kind of tryhardy/excus..ive for trolling.

I have a light townread on ckd and I guess it isn't quite true that I am most in tune with flame cos I am pretty in tune with you too especially as far reads go. I am in tune with you guys for different reasons for each. i guess I felt the townread on you was sort of a given since you pointing out strangerkitty sort of gave me the impetus to follow up on that read.

can you tell me why catboi is town?

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I think he was in uncouth with me before I ended up flaking on it. I liked the reasoning behind his vote on you and I liked that he called out the same townread I was feeling at the time, it made me feel like we were coming from similar places.

The read on AJ is probably the weakest of the 7 and it was purely based on how laid back he felt coming into this game.

I liked catboi's push on spiffeh as well as his back off, and I see him making a lot of stances I find myself thinking/agreeing with.

Blackberry is one of the aforementioned stances, I had a weak townlean off of it. Its slightly stronger than aj's

wha...?

wrt the bold obvsly.

you...honestly liked his reasoning behind his vote?

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME

[pirate mollie]

My initial vote on ckd was townreading both members of the wagon.

I voted SC because I can see what mollie was saying.

Then I admittedly had an ounce of paranoia because that's the type of stances she had on mastina/hiplop (who were town/scum) in that ff7 game and was like "ehhh maybe not"

And then I revoted because marquis asked me too.

WHAT

I townread both mastina and hippy so how is my scumread on sc in any way shape or form like those 2 at all?

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No I am not! I didn't necessarily agree but I didn't feel bad about it at all.

In regards to the second, it was the way you phrased it felt eerily similar.

then you won't have any problem pointing out the similarity.

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And maybe it is me being dumb.

I don't know.

pedit-

Its just the way it was phrased

"When x is y alignment, I just know" and it felt like when y ou were going after hte fact and talking about mastina and how you felt like she was really town and how you just had that sense about it. Maybe its stupid and maybe its just the notion of being paranoid is lending itself to drawing that connection but my real question that i dont know is why was my response to that to vote ckd instead of you

I have played lots of games with mastina and so far she is right, I DO have a 100% accuracy in reading her as either alignment. and I can definitely read hippy, even tho we don't have a lot of completed games together. you don't spend 2 months propping each other up with the odds stacked against us and not learn a thing or 2 or 5 million things about them. I have said this in the past about LOTS of other players and you know this. so no

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bah, I am leaving it to rest for now

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@ notty

the thing that is bugging me to no end is your read on cdb. if you are town then I think you are being VERY naive and premature on that and honestly it does not make sense to me, especially if it is only 1 game that you weren't plugged into. cdb is a sneaky sneaky bastard that you cannot take your eyes off of for a single second. i have no read on him yet, the best way to try to gauge him is to watch him and nexus's exchanges since they are friends IRL. it sucks if they are both scum (I AM A SURVIVOR!) but I wld like to believe that I will be more careful this time and will have at least a small idea of what to look for. don't trust him until you can be sure, not even if he looks at you with big eyes and quivers his bottom lip. actually if he does that just lynch him.

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oh zito

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I froze my ass off if it makes you feel better.

was it a lock in at the planetarium?

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I have zero qualms with Davsto votes. I like scoug more but this is some questionable inactivity from dav

god you are disappointing

[pirate mollie]

mollie how do I get back into your good graces

not let the sc wagon fall apart cos I bet he is trying to wait it out hoping just for that. I really don't think that this is town!kitty.

I don't quite understand why you are going after dave.

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imma pee on all yall

mollie what do u think ab me

I don't know since you only read the posts that contain your name so I am not sure what grasp you have on the gamestate. but roughly I lean town on you based on gut but eh.

do you have any reads so far

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I have zero qualms with Davsto votes. I like scoug more but this is some questionable inactivity from dav

god you are disappointing

Sorry to disappoint, shit-senpai

your right, my bad

obvsly i shld have kept my expectations exceedingly low, that way you wld have had at at least a 51% chance of meeting them.

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@ zito

okee dokee

[pirate mollie]

I am really liking zito's push on bins. it seems pretty townish.

not sure how I feel about bins response

[pirate mollie]

a sad face would imply negative

but i don't see how that could really be

putting this in spoilers cos this really only applies to you and its slightly personal. its part of the game and it isn't all at the same time, I somehow think that you will get it.

Spoiler:

I have always had a very hard time reading you cos you hit the feels. it used to be cos I felt like you tended to get picked on in games even tho your low content has aways driven me nuts, so I wld try to give you space so you cld mebbe catch your stride. I wasn't always successful cos I get impatient and wld go after you anyways sometimes. then I got bored and browsed though fwan and saw your pics and I was like omg. not for the same reason that espy and the others were like omg, but more cos I was blown away by the sheer intelligence, shrewdness and merriment in your eyes; it explained so much about what I was picking up from your play.

so i have a gigantic soft spot for you and I think that makes me incredibly vulnerable when you are scum cos I never want to go after you. I like you tremendously, even if I am not super showy about it but it is there all the same. I have similar feels for far and dgb. mebbe its the vag power or something. so i am trying to weigh that bias against notty and marquis not feeling good about you and I definitely trust their judgment over my own.

I get that you are secretive. I sort of see it in the way that you smile and in your eyes. but I hope you can understand that this makes some pple jumpy including me.

<3

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@ spiffeh

I have strangerkitty for now and I am watching and waiting. my reads are pretty morpheus right now, I am really not particularly married to any of my reads except for a cple of them.

why are you asking me this?

@ ckd and starbuck

I think that what we are experiencing here is a bit of a site meta/join date/playstyle clash. marquis pointed this out earlier. 1 of the things that have changed is that pple are more fluid with their reads and are more likely to work with their townreads earlier in the game. both notty and marquis (and me, I just feel like I got lucky and hit the jackpot with sc, egg on my face if I am wrong) but i usually work from the townside out, which means I try to find town first and go from there. that is what they both normally do, so what they are doing is not unusual nor is it scummy, it just might be different from how you play, idk, I am just going off of what you guys have posted so far but there seems to be a bit of a whirlpool of misunderstanding going on. i know you both know this but different /=scummy. for some strange reason I felt like it needed to be said.

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Mod: I'm very sorry to do this this early in the game, but I have fallen behind in my schoolwork and I do not believe I can handle a game going this fast at this time. Replace me, please.

[pirate mollie]

hi matt

.UNVOTE:

[pirate mollie]

I see what you are saying...but it remains to be seen if it is valid. I used to play a lot and then took like 3 years off. Now I play and just one game at a time. I mention this, because I havent really seen what you are talking about i my recent games. As a matter of fact, i have seen motives align with what I am saying. When a guy comes in and starts talking about who he thinks is town for no reason based on jack shit, it tells me a couple things (which I have already stated). Bottom line, he is trying to earn friends and no good can come of it.

I dont want to go into game theory here (I started to write out a long example). We can discuss end game if you really want to do a back and forth. Unless of course you are scum, then I imagine the above post is probably BS for game purposes. I am pretty firm in this belief. and for now, I will "believe" you are too.

I see where you are coming from too, that is why i called notty out on the 7 townreads with no reason nor stating who they were. after our exchanges I feel a little bit more comfortable with him but I am keeping my eye on him only cos I know he has been working on his scum game.

I think some of marquis's and notty's early townreads are naive, not scummy.

and yes I wld like to discuss game theory postgame altho i feel like some things are kind of relevant to what's going on now. my approach is going to be to build town cohesion early, even if scum have snuck into my townpile you can at least try to get them to bus. I have been saying this forever that sometimes that is the only way you can get scum lynched on this site is to convince them it is in their best interest to cooperate.

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I don't really feel like starbuck is reading my posts, he is skimming and cherry picking.

I donnae like it.

[pirate mollie]

This early in a large game, you kinda just roll with the conversations. It's kind of odd that you would bring up the number of people that SC has interacted with as a way to cast a shadow on him. As far as my read through after the fact, I see him interacting with more than two people. Given that this particular post was written in the middle of a Saturday, he could have easily had a busy day and just checked in when he could on the weekend. I, typically, take post day and time into consideration as I'm usually more active with mafia during week days than weekends.

Maybe you should take these thoughts and rephrase them into direct questions for SC. Going back to reading earlier, it didn't really feel like your vote on him was all that serious.

I made a whole big giant post about why i think sc is scum. I feel like you are making the weirdest excuses for him while dismissing my case.

hey if you think it is stupid just say so. but what you have said here makes me think that you didn't pay particular attention to my post at all.

Marquis' #227 vote on CKD doesn't surprise me in the least. OMGUS at its finest. CKD saw quite a bit of the same things that I saw in Marquis. The listing of town reads (which I don't remember much of a few years back) really seems to be a way for scum to try and look like they are adding to the game, but also as a way to make villagers look scummy for not listing their town reads. It's a strange tactic, and I feel, given that no one else did a full out list of reads that Marquis just did it to garner some town points. I'm already not feeling Marquis so this straight OMGUS vote back on CKD doesn't help him in my eyes.

have you played with dgb before?

In regards to #244, I find it fairly scummy to refuse to answer questions, even if you deem the asker as scum. I'm not sure why that devolved into a history of your past games with SC, as it feels to be an all-over the place reasoning for voting him. Additionally, your initial vote carried none of this with it.

if you read the entire sentence all the way through, you wld see that I gave pretty plausible reason to not respond. I wanted a meatier discussion with ckd and I think he did too that is why he made the statement that he did. our relationship has evolved.

I think if there is any buddying going on I think it is you who is kissing ckd's ass and not even bothering to read anybody else except on a surface level.

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Anyways, back to the major catch up. I'll address mollie's ridiculousn self-defensiveness when I get through that.

yes. by all means plz point out how pointing out that you are skimming my posts is somehow "ridiculousn" self-defensiveness.

Heh, if you knew me at all, you'd know I wouldn't go anywhere near ckd's ass.

I bet you even tried to say this with a straight face.

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mollie why did you unvote matt?

cos in the last forum game that matty and I played together it was with my hydra with dgb and matty thought that what dgb was posting was coming from me so he wrote a 3 paragraph essay detailing the reasons as to why he hated me and when dgb corrected him all he said was "oh".

we have since met in person and I adore him and trollie too but I am not sure where we stand in games but I am sure he wld have an easier time sinking his teeth into the game w/o me personally breathing down his neck. I am just giving him space, it doesn't automatically change my read on the slot.

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hey guyz, how about letting me answer the question since I am the 1 that notty asked? I think notty wants to see what I will say cos it is part of how he reads me.

I see.

Do you think ckd attacking me over sharing townreads feels genuine? Because that sounds like one of those fake reasons to scumread someone and I understand different times are different and it could be a playstyle clash, but I think his push on me is really weird especially considering you asked for them.

ckd strikes me as sincere, during our exchanges I really got the impression that he was trying to understand where I was coming from. this canNOT be the first time that you have heard some1 complain about coughing up townreads too early for what are in their minds are shit reasons. I disagree with it obvsly but I have heard such complaints before. I think what isbugging him is that he saw it come from 2 different pple close to the same time and it freaked him out. I think his push on this is coming more from a place of trying to understand cos I really don't think he does.

I think starbuck's play is genuine even if I disagree with almost every read she's said

are you fucking kidding me

he didn't even read what I said how the FUCK can you call that genuine?

can we plz ban all users who use the word "genuine" starting from here on out

[pirate mollie]

Jewelbots are friendship bracelets for the iPhone era. Technology-enabled jewelry for

tween and teen girls

[pirate mollie]

are you fucking kidding me

he didn't even read what I said how the FUCK can you call that genuine?

can we plz ban all users who use the word "genuine" starting from here on out

I mean I can't really point to anything specific (that's not hopelessly mundane) but it feels like a real effort at scumhunting. I'm slightly prebiased because of their first post but it comes across like she's really trying to go through the thread and observe/interpret/react to what's going on, while she thinks differently from me I can look at her posts and see how a player might think what she's saying. I think she's not seeing eye to eye with you? It doesn't look like a malicious disagreement where she's trying to pick on you. I think if someone didn't buy the thing about Coug not interacting with people then a response like hers makes sense

I know that's a really wordvomity and vague explanation but I'm just not seeing whatever you are.

hhmm, there is a distinct possibility that starbuck and I have different interpretations of "interactions" cos I don't count the fluff. I still say she is reading the game on a surface level.

I've heard complaints like that before yes mollie but it just sounded off in my head which is why i brought it up.

I'm currently leaning towards you being town.

But on the same note, townreading you/bins/marquis in this playerlist makes me worry I'm biased in them.

I wld let that particular thing rest and wait to see what else you notice. I think it is a legit worry and I understand it especially after ff7. just try to work with what you have right now and go from there.

speaking of paranoia, when you and reck have played together do you usually scumread him?

[pirate mollie]

also

hiiiiiiiiii zito <3

[pirate mollie]

speaking of paranoia, when you and reck have played together do you usually scumread him?

no

are you phone posting? cos if it is possible if you cld quote what you are responding to, that wld be great. it leaves a trail in case any1 decides to look stuff up later.

okay so that is weird, cos that used to be a tell for me?/him? in that whenever we played f2f I wld always scumread him when he was town and townread him when he was scum and it got to the point where I wld call him scum and vote him and he wld yell, "I am conftown! mollie just called me scum. i am conftown.". it was funny.

so that is pretty weird since he assigned that to you.

[pirate mollie]

pirate mollie notscience what do you guys think of AJ?

I can't tell if I'm in the wrong here or not because he seems so confident.

I don't really have a read on him yet. sorry. when I do I will let you know.

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Meta is dumb don't do meta


ok carry on

zito, why are you discrediting my #1 scumhunting tool?

your answer to this is going to determine a lot of things for me. no pressure tho.

I will tackle starbuck whom I from now on am going to call "bucky" after I get a response from you. I do want to reply to another post you made.

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I mean

Ok imagine there's this icecream shop that you particularly like. Like not only do they have a bunch of good flavors but they also have crushed up Oreos and M&Ms and shit you can mix in and fun cones and fuck I want some icecream now. Anyway let's say that you stop by there every Monday afternoon and order 2 scoops of Dutch Chocolate with sprinkles in a waffle cone cuz you're a badass and that's the exact configuration fit for a badass. And let's say you do this for I dunno a couple months or so, and the icecream dude gets used to seeing you stop by every Monday afternoon and ordering 2 scoops of Dutch chocolate with sprinkles. Then one Thursday you're like wow it's fucking hot out here I want some icecream and you walk in and decide you'd like to try something different so you order a scoop of Vanilla with Reese's peanut butter bits in a regular cup. And instead of giving you this treat the icecream guy pulls out a shotgun and mows you down.

This is why meta is stupid.

huh. I never really pegged you as the type to throw out the baby with the bath water or some1 to make such porous analogies.

live and learn I guess

[pirate mollie]

Please note the colon.

Also useful advice if you're a gastroenterologist.

you probably need to do some things. like in the next cple of hours or NOW wld be much more preferable.

[pirate mollie]

mollie: I think I might finally be right about mollie being scum. Often I end up scumreading her and she retorts and then, out of nowhere, I'm banging my head against a wall for a few hours before she turns out to be town. But here I was concerned early and acted upon it but she's weirdly standoffish about it. Her anger reaction is long delayed from when I explain why I voted here, until this post where she gets snippy about it to notty rather than me. Where was this objection when it happened? The town mollie that I know doesn't need a second trigger before the reaction goes off. Makes me feel that it's much more likely to be her trying to work over notty than it is her actually being town and honest.

Also like wtf is this. I don't even know where to begin, like it literally doesn't make any sense

cdb every1 hates meta but I don't and I am pretty sure that while pple are going to say they don't use meta I bet pple will listen to your read that is...based on meta. while making up bullshit reasons to do so. its what most pple are like.

so.....if you are going to cough up a scumread on me based on how you always scumread me then I wld like for you to link the games where you scumread me.

this shld be easy and I am not gonna let this go.

[pirate mollie]

Primary points of reference are Empking's Upick and Upick of Ice and Fire

cdb I love you.

quote from upick:

Putting Benmage and macmollie on the 'town for today' list and now going back to read from the start with a narrowed-down list of vote candidates to see if we can spot anything.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=31262

and I am reading the rest of your iso and no, you never scumread me in that game, it was me being dumb about you. I will never forgive faraday for making me think that there was a lie detector in the game which made me run around asking every1 if they were scum or town so that the lie detector had a pocket of info to pull from.

gonna look at empking's game, but I don't remember you scumreading me there either.

[pirate mollie]

yeah, cdb didn't scumread me in empking's game either!

Garm&mollie now in my town pile.

(god how I hated that hydra)

[pirate mollie]

Mollie, you know, that the crucial part of that experience was how town!you interacted with me, how you deal with things that you don't think are right - that you latch onto things and I latch onto things and we blow up and then by the end of it we figure out each other's alignments, right? That's why those things lodge in my head and drive how I approach you in games (after a couple of years, remembering that we argued directly at each other is easy enough to confuse with me scumreading you at some point, and I didn't make my read just now with those old games to hand. I fetched them afterwards to back up an immediate reaction)

yeah, this was zitos point about meta: meta through pattern matching only works if you are in the IT datamining field otherwise it shld be quantified as weak meta. that isn't how I meta and it is not the only way that I read a player.

if your read on me is divorced from the meta of previous games, then you have not really quantified your read yet cos it is most definitely currently based on pattern-matching meta IMO.

unless you want to point to something other than "mollie didn't react the way I expected her to!"

[pirate mollie]

I shld probably say, that is not what zito said but rather what I took away from what he said.

[pirate mollie]

Like you are definitely focusing on the wrong part of what I'm saying about you, which means that you do not address the post that you made in this game which I found suspicious

which was sort of worked out later on?

CRIMES THAT CDB HAS COMMITTED IN THIS MAFIA GAME:

1. lied about meta
2. attempting to redirect the convo to meta while saying that I am not focusing on the correct part of what he said which had to do with meta which I am trying to argue against.

brick walls are fun.

@ star: will you actually read it?

[pirate mollie]

well, sure, there was the whole reason why I voted for you in the first place, which I haven't redacted or anything, but let's pretend that all of my thoughts were in that one post just now.

And like I hear you about meta to some extent but also: BORE OFF. I'll use what works for me. Surprise, surprise, I didn't write what I did in order to convince you that you are scum. I'm not completely sold on it myself but I'm definitely suspicious.

I have no problem with you using meta but you just gave 2 examples where you townread me in both games so I am a bit confused as to what you are actually trying to achieve here.

[pirate mollie]

But you could also take the meta out of my read there and be left with:

Why didn't mollie find that kind of anger at my reason when I said what the reason was? Why did it take her until notty brought it up again to display anger at it? Is that a town reaction?

Not worthless and I sure would like to hear you finally actually talk about it

uhm...I wasn't angry? I was irritated at notty for not seeing how dumb your push was. my irritation was all for him.

are you feeling unloved?

[pirate mollie]

CRIMES THAT CDB HAS COMMITTED IN THIS MAFIA GAME:

1. lied about meta

NOT TRUE. I only 'lied' if I went back to those previous games before I made the post, thought 'maybe people will believe me if I said I have a habit of scumreading mollie then she gets angry about it immediately' and then posted what I did. What actually happened was that I quickly read several pages, had an immediate reaction to your posts based on my impressions of games from a couple of years ago, then posted what I did and was wrong about an aspect of it.

Which is the more likely thing to have happened?

Because the first one also needs me to go back to look first, then decide that it was a good idea in the first place and post in full knowledge of what I was doing which doesn't make any sense - you'd need to give me absolutely no credit as a player for saying I'd think like that, and you've gone to great lengths in this game to give me credit as a scum player.

okay we will semantically say that you weren't lying since you are saying that it wasn't premeditated except the "Mollie. Come on." seems like it was a meta case from the start so really what are you doing.

we will have zero productive dialogue as long as you keep telling me what I feel.

[pirate mollie]

@ star: will you actually read it?

I read everything. This whole to-do that you're making that I don't read through is getting old very fast when I have a huge catch up, that I just did in the past day, which proves otherwise.

I am making about as big of a to do about you not reading my posts as you are with you steadfastly clinging to that you were just starting up.

lets have a do-over.

the first 3 years I played mafia were rational (lol) niche sites with large games. I get the whole you only have 12 or 24 hours to solve the game, that is how I started out and it has been an adjustment to work from a majority lynch over a plurality based one. I don't think that this is relevant now except for the fact that I am trying to establish common ground in we are both town.

I think it is a clash of playstyles and you using a lot of words to say that you don't think that it is but then go on to say that you don't understand certain players's playstyle sort of makes me go and I am not sure what to do with that. the cog-dis is deafening but you have not played in a very long time (yeah, i read your posting history) and unless you are an alt I am chalking up as to a playstyle clash which isn't so much about your questions but rather the motivation and intent behind them which look pretty surface to me.

eta: xposts

I am officially getting cranky.

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: pirate mollie

I'm not a fan of being ignored. The fact that you're concentrating more on CDB now, who has been your only vote for pages and pages, and not responding/interacting outside of that isn't helpful.

I have not voted cdb all game.

I can go back within my catch up posts and give a nice thorough, easy-to-read case, but I have to jet out for a bit. If anyone wants that, let me know and I'll make it nice and pretty for ya.

I was hanging tight because I was awaiting some kind of response from mollie, but it seems that she wants to continue to lean on the assumption that I didn't read what she said (when I read it not once on my initial read through, but went back and re-read a few times to break down exactly what I felt was wrong about it) and continue to discredit me using that same reasoning when it is blatantly not true.

uh, okay.

[pirate mollie]

uhm...I wasn't angry? I was irritated at notty for not seeing how dumb your push was. my irritation was all for him.

But why weren't you irritated at

me

for not seeing how dumb my own push was, as you supposedly saw it? You give me a lot of credit for being sneaky so why wouldn't you pounce on something like that to find out whether or not I was being sneaky?

are you feeling unloved?

I don't need you to address me. I need to understand why you addressed only notty for something which it seems like anyone genuinely having that reaction would have addressed both of us.

does it help that I felt like you were disinterested in the game, cld be scum, and that I was waiting for yours and nexus's interactions which is what I said?

cos that is really what I was waiting on.

again, that you were stupendously wrong on "I always scumread mollie!" takes up a lot of space in my mind where the scumpile occupy

[pirate mollie]

Big arguments are more likely to stick in my mind than games in which we cooperate quietly, and remembering big arguments lends itself to thinking they must have been about scumreading each other. That seems pretty basic. As I mentioned earlier, I don't know why you would think that I'd deliberately misremember as scum, which is what it would have to be if my saying what I did was scummy

I can appreciate wanting to wait for me to interact with Nexus, though. I was kind of hoping that he would have said more by now that I could judge, because I like having my free read. Give it a little longer.

most pple don't expect me to take the time to look shit up.

we didn't argue in empking's game at all.

sorry cdb I don't feel good about you and I wish I did! I am used to relying on you when we play together but I am not feeling it in this game.

[pirate mollie]

most pple don't expect me to take the time to look shit up.

we didn't argue in empking's game at all.

It's shit like this that I remember most from that game. Maybe it was more one-sided than I remember.

But again you have to believe that I did this deliberately if it were scum motivated and, whether or not I would be sure that you would or wouldn't check my working, why would I consciously give you such an opportunity if this were some deliberate act of scum misrepresentation?

sorry cdb I don't feel good about you and I wish I did! I am used to relying on you when we play together but I am not feeling it in this game.

I don't really care if you can rely on me because I think you might be scum!

well, I looked at what you linked and all i see is you getting worked up over something dumb, granted, it was cos I was scumreading you. if you are asking me what the scum motivation wld be, it is cos you tossed out a cple of games, neither of which you called me scum in which was the crux of your read, and I think you didn't think very much of it cos I don't think that you think very much of me as an adversary since I have a hard time articulating my thoughts and most pple don't take me srsly except for the pple who have played several games with me. I definitely see you taking advantage of the disparity in join dates and experience level as scum and I can't shake the feeling that is what you are doing now.

in other news, aj might be scum. where is matty. why did reck ask me for my read on him and then disappeared.

why did I think that this was going to be a fun game.

[pirate mollie]

So you're saying that, as scum:

1) When I made my catch-up post, I knew that I was citing events that didn't happen but did it anyway

no. I am saying the exact opposite of that. I think you tossed out the games cos I called you on it w/o giving very much thought about them. I can keep repeating myself on this while you come up with new and interesting ways to misinterpret it if you want.

2) When called on it, I grabbed random games where I remembered that I could at least cite confrontation because I didn't think you would check

While 2 is feasible if you think that I got as far as that point, I don't know why you think I'd let 1 happen. Isn't the more likely explanation that I had specific games in mind that I misremembered? And, if so, why am I more likely to misremember things as scum than town? Because I'm not.

1 and 2 are mutually exclusive, I am not quite seeing the correlation that you keep trying to draw there. its not even a misrememory, that insinuates premeditated intent which is not what I am saying at all, I think you just didn't care.

Even if I were dumb enough to do 1 as scum (which I'm not, and that's something that you recognise), what would be the point? To get into an argument with you? Isn't it obvious from the links posted that I really didn't enjoy having those arguments? I like playing with you in general but I don't need pages and pages of difficult argument in my life, especially if I were scum who knew that I were on the wrong side of it.

why do you keep bringing point1 up like no1 is arguing about this except you and tbh you look sort of silly. and scummy.

As for not respecting you as an opponent, well:

a) I hope that I've never patronised you or anything like that because that really is the last thing I'd want to do even though I know that I can be that way sometimes, so I apologise if I have done that.
b) I don't think that I

would

want to be scum in a game with you. You connect with people and get results and don't give up until you're satisfied. I certainly don't think that you're a poor player.

you have never patronized me ever, it isn't what I meant. I just think you have an accurate assessment of my weaknesses as a player and I can't shake the feeling that you are preying on them right now.

[pirate mollie]

oh there was a slight fail of a vote tag there. oh well.

[pirate mollie]

*quote tag

[pirate mollie]

OK, so mollie, what you're saying then is that I didn't even know to which games I was referring when I wrote the catch-up post? Like I just made up a meta for you? What? Isn't that fundamentally the same thing (that I did something extraordinarily dumb for no reason) as 1 would be?

I am not quite sure how many times or how many different ways I need to tell you that I think you pulled 2 games off the top of your head to quantify a meta which does not even remotely exist. you do not "always scumread me" in fact you do the exact opposite because I have always been town when playing with you. yoy picked 2 games that we had a slight kerfuffle in and used that cos during the

omfuckingg meta is bad

turmoil cos no1 else is gonna really read it or look up what you say.

like you keep pushing this as if you have an actual point here which just looks bad and desperate.

more meta! your play reminds me a bit of reck's rehash but not enough to call you scumbased on that. I have other reasons which I already said.

I am not responding to any1 else's posts if they contain the word "lying" or asking dumbshit that has already been answered and I am looking at you catboi.

[pirate mollie]

I don't understand what part of this is hard to understand

I have already accepted that the links do not show what I thought they showed

What I am disputing is that you are suggesting that I threw out those links after the fact to justify some meta that I deliberately made up

Which requires the premise that I deliberately made up false meta on you

I want to know why it's more likely that I would do something that pointlessly dumb than that I simply misremembered how our previous encounters of multiple years ago went

jesus christ cdb

I am not saying that you

deliberately

went in with the intention of lying about meta once you started talking I have said this like 3 times and you keep acting like I haven't said it at all. I think you pulled 2 games out of your ass that might have had some vague recollection of friction between us and tried to present that as meta case thinking no1 wld bother to check.

the only thing that I like that you have done that gives me pause is pointing how lame star's vote is in the middle of our spat. its bad. its really bad.

also nexus has not done jack shit after saying he wld this morning what is up with that. (I don't expect you to answer for him, but if you have any insight I wld love to hear it.)

[pirate mollie]

I am not responding to any1 else's posts if they contain the word "lying" or asking dumbshit that has already been answered and I am looking at you catboi.

Well if you have answered it I haven't understood it. Is it that hard to help me out?

mebbe making the font obnoxiously big will help

1 and 2 are mutually exclusive, I am not quite seeing the correlation that you keep trying to draw there. its not even a misrememory,

that insinuates premeditated intent which is not what I am saying at all

,

I think you just didn't care

.

I pray thee to the font gods

[pirate mollie]

Or are you still "distracted by this argument"?

cdb said that, not me. I don't particularly feel inclined to respond to you until you stop acting like a douche. ignoring/avoidance is the best way to deal with such behaviours I have found, that is why cdb is freaking out about me cos I used to never let this shit go but it is prozack's game and I don't want to shit on it cos prozack is my friend. so mostly I am just ignoring your anklebiting bullshit cos that is basically what it is. your play has been surface, it still is surface and I really don't see it getting any better cos you are completely unaware that there is something wrong.

but here goes since you insist!

your posts are like nails on chalkboard and make my eyes ears and nose bleed. I probably have blood oozing out of my armpits and nailbeds by now cos I actually try to read your posts and discern the motivation behind them. you are the exact type of player that I kind of despise, you grovel before anything that you perceive bigger than you and try to step on anything that you perceive to be smaller than you.

you used a lot of words to say, "I don't think it is a playstyle approach clash but I don't understand marquis's playstyle approach!" in 1 of your walls and you don't even see anything wrong with it. like in your world that logic makes sense and I look at it and know that any engagement with you will most likely be fruitless, unenjoyable and not further my understanding of the gamestate in any way until I have a more definitive poe list.

so if it seems like I am ignoring you it is cos I am. it isn't cos OMG I AM SCUM AND I AM SOOPER SKEERED OF UR AWSUM SCUMHUNTING POWAHZ its cos I think that your scumhunting is either woefully outdated or super scummy and I am content to let things unfold naturally that way i don't have to deal with you that much.

[pirate mollie]

@mollie: Okay. I had trouble reading the orgiginal quote striped post. Still, I don't think I can see what he's doing as a plausible scum play and your response seems disproportionate.

The idea of making up a meta on someone as scum

didn't read past this except to note that you are voting me for something that I have told you that I am not doing. like I even used the shouty font.

I used to love this game.

[pirate mollie]

Like I actually despise "I'll do this later" posts because it lets scum skate by as townies focus on others and forget about the guy avoiding the thread.

the problem that I have with dave!scum is that I find it hard to believe that there wld not at least be 1 scum coaching him through it. he looks very much alone to me. scummy as fuck, but alone.

if he is on a team with no1 but older players or players who are awol, I might believe it. if he is scum then this game might be easier than I thought!

[pirate mollie]

Okay, I didn't word that great. But you said he lied about meta, with the idea being he just sort of made a casual statement about him fighting with you in the past? I'm still not seeing where this comes from him being scum.

I initially said he was lying and then amended my wording cos when I thought about it and I don't think that is what scum!cdb wld set out to do.

toss out games where we had some friction in and not the good kind, yes, I can see him doing that as scum, which I have already stated a multitude of times

and I am unsure on him. I think I might have seen a glimmer of towniness but eh, the initial vote and trying to spin whatever I say into some web of deceit is just not sitting well with me espeically since I am being super transparent and wearing my heart on my sleeve.

its like I type words and somehow you don't understand what they mean.

I used to love this game.

[pirate mollie]

I believe you are obvtown and people are either being lazy/obtuse or opportunistic and going after an emotional target

I just also am watching the democratic debates, but love&support

<3

thank you matty. I am glad I got the chance to know you outside of a forum mafia game.

I am going to try to emotionally unplug for a bit.

[pirate mollie]

Can I just call both cdb and mollie town and call it a day

nope.

cos I don't see this coming from town!cdb. I don't see reck's vote coming from town!reck, either.

and yes I think that they wld both gang up on me as scum.

watching zito go after bins in such a patronizing vaguely sexist way makes me wonder about him cos if he cannot see that bins is town by now then I don't even.

I am fully catching up but this is where I am at.

[pirate mollie]

Can I just call both cdb and mollie town and call it a day

you can sit in the scum pile now

go back to your scum pt that way you won't feel lonely!

[pirate mollie]

*furiously masturbates to his own reflection is his Paragon of Mafia Hunters and Best Town Performance scummies*

*cums, then cries, then drips spoonfuls of Stephen Colbert's Americone Dream onto his nipples and masturbates again*

*yawns*

[pirate mollie]

Does town not get in arguments with town?

it's way way way way way easier for scum to handwave arguments as town v town because it strokes both egos, negates any momentum that would possibly be swinging either way, discredits the content, and allows scum to appear to be interacting with the game without them having to get their hands dirty by doing things like "taking actual stances on issues"

why are you scumreading notty for saying that cdb and I are tvt when you are scumreading me and going on to explain the scum motivation behind calling it tvt as if you believed that I was town?

[pirate mollie]

It's honestly pretty bizarre that Reck has a scumread on PM considering that he knows her in real life. Some other people I have considerably lower expectations of.

YOU DON'T SAY

are you town this game? plz say you are town. it wld be wonderful if we were both town and not going after each other's throats.

reck also knows notty IRL too

[pirate mollie]

Does town not get in arguments with town?

it's way way way way way easier for scum to handwave arguments as town v town because it strokes both egos, negates any momentum that would possibly be swinging either way, discredits the content, and allows scum to appear to be interacting with the game without them having to get their hands dirty by doing things like "taking actual stances on issues"

why are you scumreading notty for saying that cdb and I are tvt when you are scumreading me and going on to explain the scum motivation behind calling it tvt as if you believed that I was town?

if it's tvt: this explanation makes sense
if it's svt: then the fucking obvious thing is NOTTY IS SHUTTING DOWN AN ATTACK ON HIS BUDDY

either way it's a proscum move

its a protown move cos he is trying keep his 2 (mistaken IMO) town reads from tunneling each other.

[pirate mollie]

Can I just call both cdb and mollie town and call it a day

you can sit in the scum pile now

go back to your scum pt that way you won't feel lonely!

this is interesting

why am I scum?

in all of the time that I have known you have never misread me when you have been town. not in f2f not in forum games.

you are not doing jack shit and you have managed to completely ignore star who was repeatedly asking for you earlier. your vote on me is horseshit and I think that you are banking on my awsum charismatix (lol, NOT) to get me lynched. that you think notty and I are BOTH scum screams scum!reck.

and actually:

VOTE: reck

[pirate mollie]

Mollie is cdb doing this things you warned me to watch out for him doing to me to you

Because it looks like that to me so im going to flip again

I really need to sit down and look at reck's rehash game and see what cdb did there, I skimmed it last night to see if cdb went after me in that game and I don't think he did. if he wld have unvoted and put some honest thought into figuring me out I wldn't think this, even if he thought about it and revoted me but he isn't doing that, at all. I seem to remember scum!cdb being super sticky with votes but eh, I want to really look at that game again cos if cdb IS town then we need to get our shit together and not let what happened asofai happen here.

[pirate mollie]

watching zito go after bins in such a patronizing vaguely sexist way makes me wonder about him cos if he cannot see that bins is town by now then I don't even.

dafuq

I want it clearly stated that i do NOT think you are a sexist by any means, otherwise we wld be having a different conversation. but "your pretty little head" is an inherently sexist comment cos the implication is that "pretty" is all that bins (or any female, really) head is capable of since they are not intelligent enough to have anything else. the phrase comes from a time when women were primarily used for reproduction and decoration and not much else.

I was mostly just making a note to myself to revisit that and have a discussion with you on it post game.

[pirate mollie]

its a protown move cos he is trying keep his 2 (mistaken IMO) town reads from tunneling each other.

without engaging with any of the content? okay sure

you mean like you have done with me? okay sure

[pirate mollie]

ive barely played any forum games w/ you mollie

whoa, lets stop right here. red wedding, autumn ball, that game that etl got best scum team for and I believe there are a cple more.

don't even.

i literally dont know why you try to bring this up. the only game i actually remember playing with you ever is The Reckoning III Invitational -- other than the Team Mafia game, where you replaced out. I was able to townread you pretty easily in those games. I'm not townreading you easily here, which is literally the entirety of why I'm voting for you. Not to mention, you've yet to try to reach out to me or pay me literally ANY attention

I didn't "replace out" in team!mafia, my team swapped me for another game cos eddie was @ L1 with an intent to hammer and my team trusted me to turn it around and I did!

In Team Mafia you made a HUGE DEAL about how I was sorta lurking and not engaging much and you specifically reached out to me in order to drag me into the game. Part of the reason I've been sorta lurky is because I was waiting to see if you'd do that here, and you didn't. You basically ignored me completely, and that's what sealed the deal of you being scum to me

you're trying to use f2f mafia meta to explain forum interactions and that's FUCKING STUPID STOP BEING FUCKING STUPID

are fucking kidding me are you srsly voting me cos I am not giving you enough attention

YOU DO CARE DON"T YOU RECK

[pirate mollie]

reck, I feel like I get on your nerves sometimes, especially in games that is why I have been leaving you alone. but if you want I will happily crawl all over your ass, for instance

why did you say to notty "notty reads me as scum I am conftown" when that is not your history with notty at all?

why are you ignoring star?

you placed on a vote on me but chastise notty for not engaging in mine cdb's spat yet you didn't try to engage MOI when a vote is more solid than a "Ima calling this tvt" stance. can you explain that?

what is your assessment of the gamestate?

@ zito

if you say to a certain 6'4" fag that I know "your pretty little head" in a line of srs questioning in a patronizing way I promise to go back to my hero-worship of you

[pirate mollie]

I think I clearly explained it is because Reck knows PM well, and after meeting her in public I think it puts her tone into a very understandable town-oriented context.

Here's some context: mollie posts and thinks like she is half in reality and half living in a fucking acid trip.

She has half conversations in her head then randomly blurts stuff out and fails to grasp basic trains of thought because her brain is something entirely unique and special and awesome. It makes engaging with her on purely logical grounds fairly complicated and messy, though.

What is telling about mollie here, I think, is that she ignored me all game considering our relationship. In Team Mafia, she specifically poked and prodded at me to try and get reactions and get me to engage with the game. Here she didn't do any of that. That's mostly what formed my scumread. It's meta based and weird and kinda bad because I dislike meta, but for an early game scumread, it's perfectly fine with me. I also think at some point it crosses from meta into continued avoidance.

I expressed suspicions of mollie several times

to see if she'd engage w/ me and she ignored me. At that point, it's no longer meta. At that point, it's "okay mollie is actively avoiding things".

can you plz point to where you did this cos i don't remember that happening.

half in reality and half on an acid trip is not too far from the truth I played a bunch of logic puzzles on the challenge setting and I kept track of my scores (ranges from fast to very slow) and I kept getting below very slow until I hit a really difficult 1 so I looked at the grid and just went for it and didn't apply any reasoning at all and I "solved" it and so I did it for the next 3 puzzles and I got them all right. I think that there is some meaning to that.

true story

[pirate mollie]

you are not doing jack shit and you have managed to completely ignore star who was repeatedly asking for you earlier.

oh and this part? wrong

take a look at how I've engaged w/ Starbuck AND HOW STARBUCK KNEW EXACTLY WHAT I WAS DOING (aka I was lurking, waiting for Starbuck's catchup posts so I can get a read on her)

we've been over this. time to catch up on the 21st century mollie

where was this?

[pirate mollie]

Mollie is cdb doing this things you warned me to watch out for him doing to me to you

Because it looks like that to me so im going to flip again

I really need to sit down and look at reck's rehash game and see what cdb did there, I skimmed it last night to see if cdb went after me in that game and I don't think he did. if he wld have unvoted and put some honest thought into figuring me out I wldn't think this, even if he thought about it and revoted me but he isn't doing that, at all. I seem to remember scum!cdb being super sticky with votes but eh, I want to really look at that game again cos if cdb IS town then we need to get our shit together and not let what happened asofai happen here.

I mean like

Where you basically said he'll bat his eyes at you and all of that because it feels like thats what hes trying to do to you while at the same time pushing you and thats bothering me

its almost like he is trying to charm his way into me being okay with my mislynch!

[pirate mollie]

ive barely played any forum games w/ you mollie

whoa, lets stop right here. red wedding, autumn ball, that game that etl got best scum team for and I believe there are a cple more.

Spoiler: Game Analysis

I was scum in RW and you were referencing games where I was town and read you correctly.

In Autumn Serenade, I even remarked in that game how difficult I find it to read you. I even flipped back and forth on you being scum/town. In fact, it wasn't until the FINAL DAY of that game that I read you as town.

You've brought up Sabotage Mafia previously in another game, and I've pointed out that you were in a hydra, and I wasn't even aware of the fact it was YOU in the hydra. I didn't even know who you were, really. There are several posts here where I called you scum -- you were town. Now we're 0/2 for your theory that "Reck never reads me incorrectly ever".

In Reckoning III, I was still unfamiliar with you on a meta level. And it wasn't until pretty well after the beginning of the game when I finally started forming opinions about you. I eventually read you as town, correctly, and we scored a perfect win.

You replaced into a different game in Team Mafia and I was able to read you super well as town due to you using your ability to target me. Then you left the game. It had very little to do with what you were doing in thread or behaviorally.

So, mollie... I could start throwing a ton of shit your direction now to support my case, but I believe the above speaks for itself. You're using

meta

to justify nothing more than a shameful OMGUS vote on me. What's worse is that I'm about 90% sure we've been through a similar song and dance in other games about how I didn't know you were Herself in Sabotage Mafia, therefore your meta shit is useless. SO...you're reusing arguments we've had previously to justify a reactionary vote on me, and the meta you're using for show is BAD TERRIBLE FLAT OUT WRONG META.

you said we haven't played that many games together and I was correcting you ON THAT PARTICULAR THING and your response is to shift the goalposts? yeah NO

What was it you said earlier about CDB using incorrect meta on you? That he must be lying or something scummy? Yeah, just pretend I went through and quoted all of your posts to CDB about that issue here but rewrote them to include your name, then I posted some kind of mic drop gif and walked out.

still no

if you are town then you can occupy the same space of Supreme Derptitude that 2 others currently occupy.

and that is all I have to say about that.

UNVOTE:

[pirate mollie]

in response to 731

I am not even gonna attempt to quote by quote that post so I will do it numerically.

1. I missed 438 and 448.
2. I thought that you were joking in 36 since I had posted before role distribution that I was playing this game solo.
3. it looks to me like you were asking me for my opinion am I srsly supposed to telepathically pick up that his is supposed to be some kind fos? cos I didn't get it. it almost looks like you had a convo in your head and then blurted it out loud!
4. 442 is something that I missed *shrug*

[pirate mollie]

It's not shifting the fucking goalposts. It's shitting all over your argument for voting me which is "Reck doesn't misread me in f2f or on the forums". I can easily illustrate why using f2f meta for forum shit is STUPID, now I've illustrated why the meta portion of your backing for voting me is bullshit as well.

you are definitely shifting the goal posts unless we are having 2 different arguments

you have never gone after me like this EVER. and the suspicions that you displayed in previous games I never took srsly I thought that you were just doing it to save face JUST IN CASE I flipped scum which I never did.

you CANNOT bitch at me that I bug you in games and then when I give you space scumread me for it.

you can't have it both ways.

[pirate mollie]

It's not shifting the fucking goalposts. It's shitting all over your argument for voting me which is "Reck doesn't misread me in f2f or on the forums". I can easily illustrate why using f2f meta for forum shit is STUPID, now I've illustrated why the meta portion of your backing for voting me is bullshit as well.

you are definitely shifting the goal posts unless we are having 2 different arguments

you have never gone after me like this EVER. and the suspicions that you displayed in previous games I never took srsly I thought that you were just doing it to save face JUST IN CASE I flipped scum which I never did.

you CANNOT bitch at me that I bug you in games and then when I give you space scumread me for it.

you can't have it both ways.

When have I ever said you bug me in games? LITERALLY the entire reason I was able to get a townread on you in our last game together was BECAUSE YOU WERE ALL OVER ME TO GET A REACTION.

you're just making shit up now

nope

you are just an idiot

[pirate mollie]

a dramatic play by xreckonerx

Reck

: hey guys mollie might be scum. wait yeah. mollie what do you think about me? mollie? ok she's scum

Mollie

: OMFG GUYZ RECK SAID IM SCUM HE'S SCUM VOTE RECK HE NEVER READS ME WRONG

Reck

: hey mollie here's like four meta references that directly fly in the face of what you're saying

Mollie

: OMFG STOP MOVING THE GOALPOSTS

Reck

: im not moving the goalposts im pointing out why your--

Mollie

: OMFG UR AN IDIOT

~scene~

reck: hey guyz mollie might be scum. what do you think about me mollie?
me: I have a slight town lean on you. *goes and tries to find scum*
reck: you didn't give me attention! you are scum.
me: is this really about me not giving you attention
reck: you are scum cos you didn't give me attention. and I don't always read you correctly.
me: well you usually do. I sort of explained all of this in 1 of my responses to you.
reck: see this is what I am talking about when I say that you have conversations in your head and then just blurt out stuff.
me: you might be right. but I don't get your tourette's spewing that I am scum for the reasons you are giving. you told me that I bug you in games. like you SAID this. to my face.
reck: if I am town then I am being *something*
me: at least we agree on something

this is how this whole dialogue with you feels like to me.

eta:

@ prozack - are we not allowed to call pple idiots when we think they being 1?

I will refrain. from now on my preferred insult will be

toaster strudel

[pirate mollie]

This whole Reck/mollie argument is making this game real fuckin hard to get into.

[pirate mollie]

caught up:

town - ckd, mattp (he is much better than sc and i don't think replace out is suspish - been burned by that before), reck, zzito
probtown - aj, bbm

mid - others (i can't read cdb for shit so don't wait for my read on him)

maybscum - mollie i guess if i'm following reck?
scum - notscience, spiffeh, catboi

huh

[pirate mollie]

On top of actually having tasks to complete at my fellowship last night, I needed to take a step back because I was letting mollie pull me into her wheel of emotion. It feels like everything that I read of hers is nothing but AtE. Of the little that I read going on between her & CDB (which I need to read more of after this catch up) and then her interactions with myself and others, I just don't feel like this is town play. Before I was even completely caught up with the game, she was already freaking out and jumping all over catboi for saying that even though he disagrees that he believes my play to be genuine. She couldn't even direct questions towards me so that I could further explain my reaction. During my catch up, I even went back to the posts, that she was flipping out about, to re-read them and give further insight, to which I expected some kind of response. I don't find that to be asking all that much. I don't understand this whole big drama BS for what simply should be expected when playing mafia.

In all actuality, I was waiting for her responses because her reaction was going to help me gauge my read on her. For example, Marquis came back to my questions very eloquently and respectfully. I couldn't have asked for a better response. I have no qualms with Marquis. On the opposite side, mollie's flat out refusal, subsequent insults, assumptions, and dancing about show to me that

she doesn't seem to care what I think or that she wants to be helpful for our team.

Hence, why my vote went to her.

When you play as town, you should answer questions. Yeah, you might get some from folks who may be testing you or that you may deem as scummy, but it doesn't help our town as a whole to completely avoid things when information about both parties can be learned and examined later on in the game.

I am also not a fan of the way that she keeps trying to discredit my play and my input as a clash of playstyles due to my long absence from the site, that I'm only "glancing at the surface," and that I haven't "read her posts." I'm fairly certain that the effort that I put in all day, yesterday, to get caught up and to add my thoughts to the game prove all of that otherwise. Just because I haven't played in a long time, doesn't mean that I forgot HOW to play.



So that's the basis of my case on mollie, and I'll get back to reading through.

wrt the bold: huh

[pirate mollie]

cdb said that, not me

He may have said that you were distracted, but you proved it to be true by not acknowledging it.

I don't even know how to acknowledge this. it is so dumb. I DID acknowledge cdb's observation about you I even said that it was the 1 thing that liked that he posted so far.

1. I haven't insulted you once. I may have snarky back at you, but your nastiness is dragging the ENTIRE GAME down. Please stop.

YOU started the potshots towards me. OWN IT.

2. How can you even know what my play is if you aren't even reading what I've said?

I have been asking this question since forever and you still don't read what I say. I feel like I shld extend the same courtesy.

3. Ignoring does NOTHING but hurt the town and prevent the flow of information.

I ignore pple who bait me or try to, albeit unsuccessfully at times. if you are OH SO PROTOWN how about you stop the baiting.

4. So asking you to respond to well-thought out responses is "ankle-biting bullshit?" I even went back to the post in question to re-read and give further insight, and you seemed to completely ignore it.

if I thought it was a well thought out response I wld have responded. I don't think it was.

5. There is nothing wrong with my play, other than you blatantly ignoring and not responding. I placed a little pressure you and YOU BROKE. That seems to be the case here.

your play is surface level it continues to be surface level thank you for being so surface level in your response!

your posts are like nails on chalkboard and make my eyes ears and nose bleed. I probably have blood oozing out of my armpits and nailbeds by now cos I actually try to read your posts and discern the motivation behind them. you are the exact type of player that I kind of despise, you grovel before anything that you perceive bigger than you and try to step on anything that you perceive to be smaller than you.

1. I know we're playing an online forum game, but this immaturity is awful. This type of thing would have been damn close to, if not, a banning a few years back.

Is this what I should expect of all the new school players?

I think it is pretty high schoolish and trying work a kewl kids klub to dismiss me cos I have a newer join date than you.

what I am getting from this post is that you are perfectly fine with flame calling marquis a moronic idiot but me saying that reading your posts make me bleed is somehow not okay.

when you start engaging pple beyond a surface level and stop sucking up to anything where a clash exists that you think might buy your bs then I might start to take you srsly!

2. You've played one day of a Large Game with me and you despise me? How does that make any sense? Are you really letting this GAME become so personal?

I despise the

type

of player that you seem to be in this game.

3. Where have I groveled and where have I tried to step on anyone? What seems to have happened here is that I put a bit of pressure on you and you couldn't handle it.

tell me again how flame calling marquis a moronic idiot is okay.

lets start there.

1. If you noticed, Marquis actually responded with eloquence and took the time to explain out his take on things. He didn't crumble from questioning and pressure.

marquis is better than me as far as patience goes.

tell me again about the link that marquis and I have.

2. I didn't see anything anything wrong with it, but I can see it as a way for scum hide behind and to appear to be contributing.

sure

3. My overall goal was to question and pressure the two of you, and gauge my reads off your reactions (as I've already said). His reaction and your reaction are worlds apart.

fascinating. it is almost like we are 2 different pple.

4. My question is if this was a concern of yours, why did you not direct a question to me to give further insight? Rather than pop off saying that I didn't read posts or that my play is "surface." The former would lead me to think of you as town, but how you've been just seems to me like you're throwing shade. Who is having a problem with "playstyle differences" now?

this is pretty convoluted and I am not sure how to respond! its weird, its like I post things and you don't read them which I have been saying all along.

5. Again, another assumption "I look it and know that any engagement with you will most likely be fruitless, unenjoyable, and not further my understanding of the gamestate." Well if you chilled out a bit and had a conversation, rather than the tantrums that you've been throwing, JUST MAYBE you wouldn't feel this way.

I am not the 1 who threw out the first pot shot. I want you to get beneath the surface so I can read you and so far you are fighting it which makes me not trust you.

1. Thanks for affirming my vote and making CDB's call out of it to be crap.

what does this even mean

are you saying that cdb's call out on you is crap or are you saying that he is town who correctly identified your bs insertion?

2. Also, thanks for affirming that you are going out of your way to withhold information.

this game is weird. like

pple are witholding info all over the place including you. I mean you think I am scum...or something. I feel like you actually know that I am town and are trying to milk the furor.

[pirate mollie]

WHAT? So this gets explained in #707, but if you inherently think that PZ is sexist in anyway, you don't really know him all that well. You know all the snark, sarcasm, and straight up nastiness that you've been throwing around? "Pretty little head" is NOTHING compared to that. In essence, people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

I flat out stated that I did not think that zito was being sexist.

again you are not reading my posts. I am not being snarky, I am being openly aggressive there is a difference. I feel like you have been nasty but I don't really expect you to own it.

Obviously, things change after you meet someone IRL, but I don't think applies in mafia. I've played plenty of games on the VA Board and Mafiastache with people that I know IRL. It doesn't change anything when it comes to the game, so the fact that you would try to use this to discredit Reck is quite concerning as I know he is someone who separates knowing someone IRL and playing mafia with them. People are totally different once they sit down behind their screens.

tell me more about how you know reck!

ISOing isn't hard.

okay

Also, what a horrid case and vote on Reck. Maybe if you concentrated on this game, instead of reading through the 5 billion other games on the site to put together some kind of weak meta, you'd have a better informed vote?

huh

In addendum, AHA! Reck's 717 ftw.

you are not doing jack shit and you have managed to completely ignore star who was repeatedly asking for you earlier.

oh and this part? wrong

take a look at how I've engaged w/ Starbuck AND HOW STARBUCK KNEW EXACTLY WHAT I WAS DOING (aka I was lurking, waiting for Starbuck's catchup posts so I can get a read on her)

we've been over this. time to catch up on the 21st century mollie

Ending at the Bottom of Page 29

okay

[pirate mollie]

Holy shit it sure is hostile in here

@ zito

if you say to a certain 6'4" fag that I know "your pretty little head" in a line of srs questioning in a patronizing way I promise to go back to my hero-worship of you

u got it, your hero-worship is v important to me

Mollie, you really used THAT word? I know the Reck probably doesn't care, but seriously?

I love fags. it is only an insult if you have a problem with fags.

do you?

[pirate mollie]

Reck knows I love my gays. I'm bi, myself, and just walked with the Jacksonville Coalition for Equality in the Pride Parade two weeks ago, where I was miraculously reunited with one of my good friends, from when I was stationed here, who is now in MtF transition. I will be speaking at our upcoming City Council meetings when we fight, again, for an all-inclusive human rights ordinance. Additionally, I was a main proponent in organizing and executing the first EVER LGBT Pride Month celebration at NAS Jacksonville and in Navy Region Southeast this past June. So what does that tell you?

In any case, that word is inappropriate, no matter how much you say you don't mean it in an insulting way. It's especially inappropriate to be used in the midst of a game.

I'm on mobile, so I'll get to the walls later.

so you are okay with reck calling me a bitch in the midst of a game which last I checked I am not a female dog but it is not okay to call reck a fag which he actually is?

you...really don't want to get into a pissing match with me on lgbt activism. like no really, you DON"T.

[pirate mollie]

Mollie thoughts on my list on the last page and thoughts on wagoning scotmany?

if you are trying to bring me down to earth, I am sorry, I might miss the signals.

I am trying to wrap my head around that I received a gm warning in the most loving way possible cos I used the word "fag" but no1 seems to have a problem with me being called a bitch. I don't have a problem with reck calling me a bitch ftr, I am just wildly pissed off at the selectiveness of it all.

it makes me sad.

[pirate mollie]

I'm here if you want to talk about things. Im trying to ignore everything going on and I agree it sucks but there's a reason I'm not thinking of anything a lot of the playerlist is saying and a reason I'm monopolizing who I am interacting with. I think the way the game has gone already (not talking about you) its looking like a scum win purely off the toxicity and Im trying my hardest not to add to it but trust me I did see it and it did piss me off. But I really don't want scum to win and I don't want people to get off thinking that being assholes is okay because when scum wins they're going to scapegoat the other people which is why I'm trying my hardest to ignore it and do my own thing and I need you to work with me because I'm having an insanely hard time keeping my reads unbiased.

I think it will be a scum win too only cos I am looking at who is trying to disperse the herd and some of them are my townreads and I don't know what to do with that.

[pirate mollie]

I'm just trying to ignore them because they think it's okay to act like they are and right now condemning their bullshit doesn't help anyone. I think the best thing we can do is try to sort out who among those who aren't being toaster strudels are town, and try to figure out who among the toaster strudels is scum trying to stir the pot and get them out of the game.

I find it weird that as a collective they are solely attacking the newer players it is freaking me out and makes me not trust anybody.

eta: did you just read my mind right now

[pirate mollie]

I think bins, marquis and you are town. there are some pple I want to put in there but I really just don't know cos the game is weird.

I really want matty to be town but I am not sure that he is.

I am not sure what reck is huffing, but I stand by that he usually gets my alignment right in forum games. it may take him awhile but he usually does and what he has posted so far is more a calculated attempt to push my emotional boundaries than sort my alignment.

I feel kind of lost. I think bins and you and marquis are town.

[pirate mollie]

Attacking? I asked for a response and was attacked, repeatedly, and given excuse after excuse for nonresponses. So I think we need to take a look at the whole picture before we state that "a group of older players are attacking newer players." Just sayin.

plz explain to me how calling me a bitch is somehow less insulting than me calling reck a fag.

FTR I TAKE NO ISSUE WITH RECK CALLING ME A BITCH

cos sometimes I am 1 even tho I try not to be.

[pirate mollie]

marquis I want to talk to you!!! <3 <3 <3

I think star is town too after thinking about it. which I am going to address a post to her however, why do you want hers and ckd's townreads when that isn't how they play?

post for star incoming

[pirate mollie]

@ star

I think you are town and I am town so ultimately I have to find some way to work with you.

here is an olive branch:



i apologize if I hurt your feelings or made you mad with my post. i really do hate that type of player but the truth is, I don't know you so mebbe you are not like that at all. I think we are simply going to have to agree to disagree about there being style/game approach clash here cos I think there definitely is. its okay, we can work around it, it just takes more effort on every1's part.

so lets bury the hatchet and start afresh, shall we?

[pirate mollie]

okay, here it goes!

I am just gonna say that anybody who doesn't know me will probably say that I am being arrogant, boasting bragging blah blah insert whatever perjorative you feel like you want to use but I am still gonna say it cos hopefully at least 1 person might think "hhhhmmm, I didn't think about that" and hopefully we can get the game back on track.

this is my game approach and I think notty and marquis have similar approaches if I am not mistaken, I have seen them do it other games so what they are doing here is not out of the ordinary.

I played mafia on 9 other "rational" niche sites for 3 years prior to me joining ms. actually how I got here is kind of funny but I will save that for another time cos it isn't game related and probably no1 cares. BUT, my very first mentor played with people who had played on here before and that is where he learned about mafia and he was awsum mentor. he and my second mentor (who mentored him and is a mafia god) drilled these basic rules in my head for townplay:

1. always think of endgame

regardless of your alignment

.
2. find town and stick together.
3. scumhunting is about getting to pple to drop their guard and reveal what they wld much rather hide.
4. town moves in herds; organizing the game in a way draws town in and moves scum out, thereby bottlenecking scum's chance for a win as the game continues on.

I think a lot of pple do this but I think that pple have different approaches. first thing I do in games is reach out to the pple that I am familiar with (yes, I know reck complained that I did not do this with him but I already explained that) or pple who share common thoughts. I scumhunt not just by aggressively going after players, sometimes I do it by flirting - its the number 1 way that I sort kise. sometimes through jokes, sometimes I use other tools but there is almost always a method to my madness.

there is likely a method to notty's, marquis's and bins madness to; we just approach the game differently i think.

townhunting

first

and trying to form some kind of cohesion IS a valid strategy. I got into an argument with some1 last november about scum wins vs town wins and

she

insisted that scum win the overwhelming majority of the time and I was like no way, MEBBE ITS JUST THE GAMES YOU ARE TOWN IN. so i have been cataloguing my town games for 2015 and so far I am sitting at out of 15 games that I have been town in town won 13 times so far.

wldn't it be awsum if I cld say that I was fantastic scumhunter but lol look at dis game:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=62237

my scumreads were HORRIBLE like obnoxiously, detrimentally just overall

bad

. but 4 of my townreads were really solid and when the game went to 3 player lylo, I had so hardcore townread far and kept trying to engage with her in a way that other players cld see the towniness that saw doolittle went back saw what I kept trying to do all game:

if im wrong ill just crawl into a hole and die.

but this is mostly from reading what mollie wrote, as well as overall farside's strong posts, including attack on ric, and strong paranoia of pc on day 2 and 3

town won. I surprised far even still plays with me that game, I kept talking her out of lynching scum. at least I got 1 thing right (although I did manage to lynch 1 scum in the game) and that was my townread on far and it paid off in the end.

sometimes my scumreads are great and sometimes they are not. but my townreads when I say, "THIS PERSON IS TOOOOOWN" are usually decent and I do try to reevaluate when I receive more info.

having said that, I will try to put up a readslist soon, I am just trying to figure a cple of things out.

[pirate mollie]

actually i don't know if you're town anymore mollie and i'm scared of that. i revisited the reasons for your scummy nomination and i'm. ugh

I suspect that I will get lynched for a while after that game.

just at least give me time to sort some things out, that is all I ask and weave a bit more cohesion cos right now there is none. then you can get weird on me if you want.

eta: hey nexus why did you leave cdb off of your list?

[pirate mollie]

don't ignore me nexus, this is the second time that I am asking.

[pirate mollie]

actually i don't know if you're town anymore mollie and i'm scared of that. i revisited the reasons for your scummy nomination and i'm. ugh

I suspect that I will get lynched for a while after that game.

just at least give me time to sort some things out, that is all I ask and weave a bit more cohesion cos right now there is none. then you can get weird on me if you want.

eta: hey nexus why did you leave cdb off of your list?

where's the first time? I just looked in your iso and couldn't see it.

I will find it for you tomorrow I promise. I am winding but I just feel like there is so much more to be said.

I am not sure if I believe that you can't read cdb and yet, in a way I kind of get it? the last time I played f2f with reck a couple of weeks ago I think I finally saw scum!reck and how scum!reck works. he is right that you can't translate f2f to forum games and I never said that but I DO think we remember the games we have been in quite differently if that is how he actually remembers them. so in a way I get this but I feel like your presence has been incredibly underwhelming and I guess I don't understand why you don't

try

to read him.

and I think sheeping reck's read on me when he is clearly stating that he cannot read me but votes me anyway whilst (<--- I love that word it cracks me up) ignoring cdb's read on me is pretty freaking strange!

[pirate mollie]

I'm always uncomfortable when CDB says he town reads me as heavily as he has today. Like I said yesterday, I need to re-read properly - my head isn't really in a good place at the minute so the re-read keeps falling further and further down my list of priorities.

Sorry!

Yes.

Basically I'm paranoid about everything. I'm paranoid about the fact you're still alive. I'm paranoid about the fact CDB is still hard townreading me, although the fact he's kept it up to today makes me slightly less paranoid.

I need to do a genuine, honest to god re-read, and I will do it on Saturday.

cdb was literally kept alive until the last day in this game because despite the fact he was basically conftown I still wouldn't believe it and it was scum's best chance of winning.

I am the worst at reading CDB and it pisses me off no end because he's the best at reading me. So there you go.

ohhhhh what game was that? can you link it plz?

[pirate mollie]

mollie do you think you can unpack the SC read because I think that might help connections between you/starbuck a ton

also pls explain to ckd that he's pushing a personality case

I am not sure if I can unpack anything that she wld not dismiss as meta. I apologized and extended an olive branch so really, the ball is kind of in her court. i really hope she picks it up.

if ckd is open for a discussion then yeah I will explain it its just right now I don't think any1 is really listening to me or reading what I say except for a few pple.

@ nexus

thank you for the link. omg I can't believe you and cdb were endgamed what was scum thinking.

I looked at that game and I immediately spotted in that what I am missing here; you were fully engaged in that game, cranky nexus popped out almost immediately. I know we have not played that much together but I have read some your games, especially the 1s with cdb (there aren't a whole lot) cos I regularly stalk cdb. I like the way he thinks and I have learned a lot from him in both mafia games and board games. but I feel like even tho we haven't played together that much I feel like you are pretty reserved which is more in line with your play in reck's rehash. you are just making me feel very uneasy.

it doesn't help that cdb's push on me feels fake, like I don't think he really thinks I am scum but then is reck is scumreading me too which is insane. what is throwing me off is that a game just ended where I was lynched d1 as town with 4 of my hydra partners in the game and 2 IRL friends. I didn't understand it but figured if that were misreading that badly it was best if I was just lynched so that they cld get back on track. I know antihero, I know him very well and I knew that once he saw my town flip he wld go after scum with ferocity that wld make them tremble and he did. scum were lynched consecutively after that.

so what I am wondering is after ff7 I don't have some eau de scum cologne clinging to me from that game. I know that I am playing a little bit differently because I

feel

different. I didn't realize until post game the magnitude of what I had done and I feel bad cos I do not like lying, manipulating or deceiving my friends for 2 months. but I have had pep talks with muffina and he said you just have to continue on and look at as a duty and I did. so i am not sure if they are picking up on my insecurity and me feeling unconfident cos I expect every1 to hate me after that game or what. I am also feeling weird cos of another site issue but that is something else.

I guess what I am struggling with is I don't understand why if cdb and reck felt like I was off they don't just

ask

me what is going on. it confuses me and it makes me think that matty and catboi are right, that players are pushing me cos I am emotionally driven and my feeling effect my play and the best way to get me to do nothing or to stop me from the 1 thing that I actually do kind of well is to rattle me and keep me off balance. so i can see that while you and cdb are IRL friends you might not be easily able to read him.

here is a question for you though, cdb is townreading you now, how does that make you feel about cdb? we can start there at least.

[pirate mollie]

I'm less inclined to join a Davwagon now, fwiw

why?

[pirate mollie]

He's up on my list, but feels like a shitty day 1 Lynch. Not a fan of the current makeup of the wagon, which makes me uneasy.

why is he a shitty d1 lynch? this is who is on the wagon:

Papa Zito, Scotmany, Bins

isn't bins the only 1 you have a problem with? plus it only has 3 votes so

[pirate mollie]

mollie posts the things I want to post faster than I do

<3

you are probably going to be the townread I try to anchor myself around. I am not gonna vote dave cos I feel a bit compromised since we are tied and I am not gonna vote some1 just to save myself we aren't anywhere close to that. I can't believe that we are this far in the game and there has yet to be a solid wagon.

ftr, I am not feeling like this is dave's town game either. I thought at first mebbe he was just overwhelmed but now eh, he still isn't really doing anything that excites me. I am not seeing a clear intent on his motivations.

[pirate mollie]

And scot.

When half the reasoning to vote him is to pressure him into doing stuff, its kind of super shitty. MattP is still the best lynch on the table.

so you are not liking scotty? this is news.

what don't you like about him?

[pirate mollie]

Are you liking him mollie?

I am unsure on him. I am a sucker for your mom jokes but I liked his push on dave and I am trying to figure out why flame has a problem with him.

[pirate mollie]

I'm actually caught up on schoolwork so I'll be on tonight

matty do you have any other thoughts on the game?

[pirate mollie]

I'm really really sorry, I suck, but I tried finishing up everything I needed to do through the weekend and I just don't have time now. I actually seriously will be catching up tomorrow now that I'm caught up on schoolwork. I understand it's really shitty not to post for as long as I have.

[pirate mollie]

mollie, who do you want to wagon?

I am not ignoring you notty its just idky, otherwise I wld be voting/pushing some1.

I am waiting for some to check back in but I swear I will wind up in a nursing home before they actually do so.

notty will you plz wipe the drool off of my face and spoon feed me pureed horrible food. I don't trust these nurse's aides.

[pirate mollie]

I don't understand why mollie is trying to take the obvious townie cdb out of the game.

let him play. This is dumb.

Davsto is fine.

this is by far, the strangest post in the game. like david lynch levels of strange.

[pirate mollie]

~ Readslist Time ~

town

zito - this is a hard read to explain. except that I feel like we are naturally falling into step which is a really good sign and nothing he has done has made me jumpy and I like where his head is at. strong townread.
ckd - I think he is gnarly, grumpy, "get off my lawn!" old man town, he reminds me a bit of dramalama but he seems to be more hands on then dram is. I look forward to post game discussion. I feel like he is really trying to figure things out and sort the game in some kind of manageability. strong town.
notty - his jumpiness is well-timed and his reactions seem authentic and look like they are coming from a place of trying to orient himself in the game and feeling out the players he knows best. I liked his early poking at bins but I am little disappoint/worried that he didn't do much with it. I have some paranoia niggles only cos some of his posts to me feel like scum!mala and I know they are close but eh, its not a good idea to read him based off of mala's play. so treating as town and hoping he is. I just thought that after ff7 our dynamics wld be a bit stranger.
bins - I feel like this town!bins. our exchanges gave me a good feel about her.
marquis - I want to say town. I am slightly paranoid of her, and some of it is cos I wonder if ckd is seeing something that I am not but even if I squint my eyes and look really hard do I kind of see where he is coming from but the thing is none of that points to scum!marquis. treating as town and hoping she is.
spiffeh - I think he is town and I am really quite sure why pple are going after him when there is a lot scummier behaviour going on in the thread.

unsure

flame - loved him for town right up until he said that he did not want to lynch dave for reasons that I don't really follow. unsure.
catboi - I like his posts and I like his stances but his vote on me and quick jump off was weird plus I am feeling vague paranoia cos he is kind of being nice to me ever since. unsure, with slight townish leanings.
scotty - I liked the ur mom jokes, I like where his head is at, at times but he is moving the game forward at a crawl. very unsure. mebbe it just takes time for him to get his head in the game. I know a lot of players like that.
myko - WHAT. WAS. THAT. POST.

unsure and I feel pretty weird about them!

nexus - this isn't grumpy, cranky nexus and he has not said fuck or bullshit once. it is freaking me out. I don't know him super well, we had a bonding moment over

Black Mirror

but unfortunately that doesn't help me in mafia. cdb is townreading him so eh, if cdb were to flip town I wld treat that read like gold but for now he is very unsure.
cdb - I am not sure if I even have words. his push on me is AWFUL and I don't like him saying "ignore this" when I am trying to say that if cdb does his big eyes/lower lip quiver then lynch him. I mean I fall for it all of the time which makes me want to beat him with various sized pillows. I may even have done this once or twice. I dunno we will see. wildly unsure.
reck - he is being so weird.so very very weird. I looked back at the games he posted and no, he did not show signs of the paranoia that he says he felt. so he isn't quite being truthful about that, unless it was somehow bigger in his head than what he let on...in every single game. the thing is if he did NOT know how to read me but has had some success in the past albeit it took him time then why is he not wanting to give me time in this game? that is what i find puzzling. its like he is not even attempting to sort me out and just wants me GONE.
star - I thought she was scum at first cos of her angles. we tussled. when I went back and reread my posts to see if I had even voted cdb so I cld see wth myko was talking about I noticed that she tried to pit me against both reck and zito by saying that I was insulting them. reck knows I am not homophobic and zito knows that we can always talk about it post game if it was somehow that important. when she got no traction with either of those it became me trying to 1-up her about activism when I wasn't? I extended an olive branch so we will see what comes of it, it cld just be her personality I don't know.
dave - can we plz have town!dave back pretty plz. I have not seen him all game.
matty - I want him to be town. I scumread sc got nothing from him and while matty did put forth some reads he has disappeared again so he has nothing to improve that slot's chronic inactivity. it wld break my heart if matty were scum, this is the best that we have gotten along and I honestly feel like he is town but again, I get paranoid of pple who are nice to me sometimes. I feel like I need to see more matty.
aj - he can sometimes have this myopic vision of the game where he will focus on 1 player to the exclusion of others as either alignment. what I am really concerned about is the lack of enthusiasm. there is something missing here but I haven't seen his scum game in almost 3 years.

I think that is everybody.

I still have a long ways to go before sorting stuff out. my reads are still pretty fluid and uncertain but I do feel good about enough that I have a firm axis to spin from. I hope that I am right on at least some of them.

[pirate mollie]

@ spiffeh - I am not ready yet. sorry. I am waiting on to hear back from some pple before I am ready to move forward. I pretty much told notty the same thing so I am not sure why you are pushing me on this. I WANT TO HEAR BACK FROM SOME PPLE.

@ notty - we don't read pple the same way. you think of that game with marquis and all I can think of is xmen where she shot her scumpartner majiffy n1 when he was universally townread by every1 other than my hydra with muffina. I am leaving her alone for now. can you talk to me about other players in the game other than me/marquis/bins? can we have a convo about reck plz? cos he is confusing me.

@ catboi - okay here is a town game that we won together:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=25693

here is a scum 1 where he owned me:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=23940

we have played other games together but there has not been a *magickal* moment where we connected. the closest 1 was inheritance cycle, and we also came close in a newbie game. I am usually long dead before aj decides to get active and most of our games we have been both town. I am saying I am unsure on my read on him so I am little confused as to why you expect me to defend a read that I am unsure on? or am I misreading what you are saying?

[pirate mollie]

Spoiler:

Jesus, this readslist. It looks nice at first glance, but when you look closer at a lot of the reasons, they're barely reasons. All holders bits are questions @Mollie.

zito - this is a hard read to explain. except that I feel like we are naturally falling into step which is a really good sign and nothing he has done has made me jumpy and I like where his head is at. strong townread.

Basically just "he feels right".

ckd - I think he is gnarly, grumpy, "get off my lawn!" old man town, he reminds me a bit of dramalama but he seems to be more hands on then dram is. I look forward to post game discussion. I feel like he is really trying to figure things out and sort the game in some kind of manageability. strong town.

This is a half-decent reason, okay, I'm not omitting any, though, id like to see how many are barely justified.

notty - his jumpiness is well-timed and his reactions seem authentic and look like they are coming from a place of trying to orient himself in the game and feeling out the players he knows best. I liked his early poking at bins but I am little disappoint/worried that he didn't do much with it. I have some paranoia niggles only cos some of his posts to me feel like scum!mala and I know they are close but eh, its not a good idea to read him based off of mala's play. so treating as town and hoping he is. I just thought that after ff7 our dynamics wld be a bit stranger.

Okay this is alright too.

bins - I feel like this town!bins. our exchanges gave me a good feel about her.

Okay this isn't a reason.

Why do your exchanges give you a warm feel?

marquis - I want to say town. I am slightly paranoid of her, and some of it is cos I wonder if ckd is seeing something that I am not but even if I squint my eyes and look really hard do I kind of see where he is coming from but the thing is none of that points to scum!marquis. treating as town and hoping she is.

Again, this is explained but there's no real reason for it either way.

Why are you paranoid abput Marq? Why are you treating Marq as town despite this?

spiffeh - I think he is town and I am really quite sure why pple are going after him when there is a lot scummier behaviour going on in the thread.

Why do you think he's town?

unsure

flame - loved him for town right up until he said that he did not want to lynch dave for reasons that I don't really follow. unsure.

Okay, so you had him as town until he disagreed with a wagon on me, and that drops him allllll the way to null? This feels like "you disagree with my thoughts so you're scummy".

catboi - I like his posts and I like his stances but his vote on me and quick jump off was weird plus I am feeling vague paranoia cos he is kind of being nice to me ever since. unsure, with slight townish leanings.

This one's alright though.

scotty - I liked the ur mom jokes, I like where his head is at, at times but he is moving the game forward at a crawl. very unsure. mebbe it just takes time for him to get his head in the game. I know a lot of players like that.

So... it's acceptable for him to take a while to get his head in the game?

Aren't you scumreading me for that reason?

myko - WHAT. WAS. THAT. POST.

Yeh...

What post? Why?

unsure and I feel pretty weird about them!

nexus - this isn't grumpy, cranky nexus and he has not said fuck or bullshit once. it is freaking me out. I don't know him super well, we had a bonding moment over

Black Mirror

but unfortunately that doesn't help me in mafia. cdb is townreading him so eh, if cdb were to flip town I wld treat that read like gold but for now he is very unsure.

You're scumreading because he hasn't swore yet. That's new levels of meta rubbish.

cdb - I am not sure if I even have words. his push on me is AWFUL and I don't like him saying "ignore this" when I am trying to say that if cdb does his big eyes/lower lip quiver then lynch him. I mean I fall for it all of the time which makes me want to beat him with various sized pillows. I may even have done this once or twice. I dunno we will see. wildly unsure.

Okay, a reason, neat, I was missing them.

reck - he is being so weird.so very very weird. I looked back at the games he posted and no, he did not show signs of the paranoia that he says he felt. so he isn't quite being truthful about that, unless it was somehow bigger in his head than what he let on...in every single game. the thing is if he did NOT know how to read me but has had some success in the past albeit it took him time then why is he not wanting to give me time in this game? that is what i find puzzling. its like he is not even attempting to sort me out and just wants me GONE.

Hmm, a bit hard to understand but it seems justified.

star - I thought she was scum at first cos of her angles. we tussled. when I went back and reread my posts to see if I had even voted cdb so I cld see wth myko was talking about I noticed that she tried to pit me against both reck and zito by saying that I was insulting them. reck knows I am not homophobic and zito knows that we can always talk about it post game if it was somehow that important. when she got no traction with either of those it became me trying to 1-up her about activism when I wasn't? I extended an olive branch so we will see what comes of it, it cld just be her personality I don't know.

I'm... I can't quite see a reason here. She said you were insulting someone, so she's scummy? That's just... Nah.

dave - can we plz have town!dave back pretty plz. I have not seen him all game.

Yeh this isn't a reason.

What is town!Dave? How am I not town!Dave? Do you have any actual reason to scumread me or is this just meta?

matty - I want him to be town. I scumread sc got nothing from him and while matty did put forth some reads he has disappeared again so he has nothing to improve that slot's chronic inactivity. it wld break my heart if matty were scum, this is the best that we have gotten along and I honestly feel like he is town but again, I get paranoid of pple who are nice to me sometimes. I feel like I need to see more matty.

Hmm, this is alright.

aj - he can sometimes have this myopic vision of the game where he will focus on 1 player to the exclusion of others as either alignment. what I am really concerned about is the lack of enthusiasm. there is something missing here but I haven't seen his scum game in almost 3 years.

I can't really see the reason here. He didn't do this thing he does sometimes? He's not enthusiastic? Neither of these are great reasons.

So yeh, that post is ew. It looks like Mollie is trying to look like she's doing stuff, but 70% of that post is unreasoned fluff. I'm betting she just expected people to skimread it because of its length, rather than actually reading closely and realising the reasons aren't the best.

its almost as if, if you read the game you might understand these reads!

which makes this portion of your post:

So yeh, that post is ew. It looks like Mollie is trying to look like she's doing stuff, but 70% of that post is unreasoned fluff. I'm betting she just expected people to skimread it because of its length, rather than actually reading closely and realising the reasons aren't the best.

incredibly ironic, since you apparently missed mine and bins back and forth, me posting the post that I find weird about myko and why nexus let out a string of curses. apparently, according to you I deliberately made a long post with the intention of no1 reading it yet the only person who has demonstrated this so far is you, who is giving the

appearance

of reading it yet missing key elements that are very relevant with my reads list and to the game. you were cherry picking things out of my readslist weren't you.

that is 3 strikes and you are out.

VOTE: davsto

[pirate mollie]

None of these wagons interest me.

The most likely looking ones from "who on it are the towniest" are Davsto and Mollie, but I'm convinced that

Davsto is town

.

Also, fuck shit bollocks wank cunt arse twat.

yeah, you are gonna have to explain this 1 to me

[pirate mollie]

These two statements don't tally up. If you think that Spiffeh's scumspects are correct, because they replaced out (so, AJ and SC's slots), why are you voting mollie's slot?

I don't mind his suspects, I've stated multiple times I don't mind an AJ lynch, but his wagon was smaller.

So I went with mollie who also looks like scum. SC I don't really care about. Could go either way. Which I've also mentioned, I think.

All in all, it makes sense to me.

What really needs to not happen is a mollie wagon.

but that's where all the fun people are.

yeah what was it that makes me scum again?

*crickets*

I think you are scum myko.

@ zito why are you even talking about moving your vote somewhere else, did dave do something that makes you think that he is town?

not to mention if you divide the lynches now there will be a very high chance of me being derp deadlined lynch. is this something that you are wanting to happen?

I am very much against a notty wagon and will actively speak against it.

[pirate mollie]

Yeah the only justification I see in mollie votes have been "this seems like mollie scum" or something of that nature which is obviously not a good reason and I just disagree with it in general.

@ckd true. I still condone the wagon.

the 3 votes are voteparked on me from pple who have barely posted since, all 3 players promised that they wld post more yet have been doing nothing but prod dodges.

^ this is what myko is sheeping.

[pirate mollie]

@mollie notscience has only interacted with you this whole day and has barely engaged with anyone else. He tried to play peacemaker in your many arguments which really accomplished nothing but endear himself to you.

But tbf this is off the top of my head

yeah I know he has only been talking to me, but that is not unusual for him. what I don't like is him pushing me into voting a wagon when he cld have just voted some1 himself and give me space like I asked him to. that felt weird. but I am still not voting him today, especially when we have learned nothing from any wagon that I can tell and things like myko are allowed to live. guys, post 1013 looks like he knows that cdb and I are BOTH town but since I am being wagoned it is better to suck up to cdb.

[pirate mollie]

In addendum, I'm definitely concerned about the fact that mollie stil hasn't responded to posts that I've made that include nothing but gameplay, but she wants to take every single personal style post and respond to those. I'm not quite sure what she's trying to accomplish here.

wld you like to restate your questions? cos I honestly feel like most of them have been answered by now, mebbe you disagree.

lets start there.

also do you want me to respond to your previous post?

[pirate mollie]

No, let's move past the personal stuff, which is what I thought was happening with your olive branch. It's pretty damn selfish of both of us to have taken over the game with that crap, and we quite, literally, stalled it out.

I'll go back through and highlight all my gameplay questions, if you promise to answer them.

agree re: selfish which is why i extended the olive branch to you.

my assessment of you is only personal in that I was trying to separate personality from playstyle to see if I was misreading the situation. and I feel like I mebbe was. I thought you were wking an irrelevant point on both reck and zito and that is more likely to come from scum than town which is why I reacted the way that i did. scum do it so that they can play the emotional card authentically while distancing from the game and they gain points from the pple that they were wking. I don't think that is what you were doing, I think you thought that i was insulting your friends and it pissed you off.

yes, i will answer your questions.

[pirate mollie]

ideally I would love marq to be the wagon...but it seems the bulk of people in the game are fine with letting him do scummy shit and lurk.

hey marq, you should probably kill me tonight.

yet you seem fine with letting myko do scummy shit!

[pirate mollie]

things like myko are allowed to live. guys, post 1013 looks like he knows that cdb and I are BOTH town but since I am being wagoned it is better to suck up to cdb.

So you did know what I meant.

Good.

Then why pretend you didn't have a clue?

w/e. This is p much a scumclaim.

confirm vote mollie

uh no. I didn't think much of it until you made that weird ass bullshit post that I still think is the scummiest/strangest post in the entire game. your only response was: "your face looks like a david lynch movie" which granted made me laugh but it was still not an adequate explanation nor a decent defense of it.

you still have not explained why I am scummy myko.

[pirate mollie]

did myko just say that he did not know me well enough

lol

caught scum is caught scum. you do know that i have neither voted cdb all game nor have I significantly pushed him. I have actively been trying to work with nexus in figuring him AND nexus out, nexus being a helluva lot around more and I have been gravitating towards a nexus townread while not feeling comfortable with cdb. but thanks for helping me with that! cdb can move into the town pile with nexus.

VOTE: mykonian

[pirate mollie]

ideally I would love marq to be the wagon...but it seems the bulk of people in the game are fine with letting him do scummy shit and lurk.

hey marq, you should probably kill me tonight.

yet you seem fine with letting myko do scummy shit!

say what now? define "fine" and what scummy shit are you referencing?

I honestly think I am just about to give up ckd. reread the last 2 pages if you are not understanding where I am coming from my previous post.

[pirate mollie]

did myko just say that he did not know me well enough

If we played before, I'm sorry, you didn't leave a lasting impression apart from being farside jr. But I may as well have gotten that from reading some games.

can farside jr. be my new title. cos I love me some farside.

myko I am sorry that you drew scum in this game. can you talk about marquis? cos she put blackberry as town for what I thought were strange reasons.

even if I am lynched, I will still continue to replace into games that you mod if you ask me to! just don't put thorella and I in the same game for a while.

[pirate mollie]

yeh I def don't mind the AJ wagon getting bigger too.

where is the scumhunting zito that I know and love

[pirate mollie]

myko I asked you about marquis!

plz respond

[pirate mollie]

myko I asked you about marquis!

plz respond

I also asked you a question...soooo..

and I answered!

[pirate mollie]

mollie coming into tomorrow provided you don't die I would say scum are going to be later or not on my wagon. Probably later.

Probably work with spiffeh, and maybe ckd if you can reign him in off of his dumb playstyle wagons. Marquis and Bins should hopefully be available to do more things. Reck maybe if you can reign him in, and I think you and starbuck should be able to fuck some shit up.

why did I only get a dot in your readslist.

huh. star never posted the questions she wanted me to answer.

if my wagon is a scum push than who is scum on it if you want me to work with reck and star?

[pirate mollie]

i feel like I just ran into myko at a grocery store and he is pretending he doesn't know me.

it is pretty awkward BUT OMFUCKINGG CALL THE META POLICE!!!!

[pirate mollie]

CDB and maybe myko

And because I thought I'd made it kinda clear why I was townreading you but overall its just how you have been interacting with things/your reachout to bins and trying to work with star even though your guys had been butting heads and overall i just feel like you're town.

pedit-
can I call the fashion police instead

nuwen just left with a bunch of clothes that I gave her you might want to call them on her.

the fashion police are bored with me I have committed too many crimes. hey, do you like renaissance stuff? I have 3 tunics.

I am so good with dying today that way I don't have to think about zito dismantling the leading wagons thereby pushing us into the forefront when nothing was resolved with the leading wagons.

someday I will master the art of barely posting, making shitty votes, prod dodging and not giving a flying fuck that way I too can be 1 of the kewl pple who is a great scumhunter.

I bet every1 will like me then.

[pirate mollie]

@ notty

if myko is scum, than likely cdb isn't.

so that only leaves myko.

@ matty

what do you feel like you need to be more engaged?

[pirate mollie]

First, I said I'd list out my questions for mollie. There are entire posts that warrant responding, but I guess I'll just break it down to these.

4. I want you to tell us why you think/thought SC is scum. What is it about his posts that made you vote for him? What kind of tone did you take from a particular post to give you that vibe? I don't want to see a history of every game you ever played with him as you deflect the question over and over. Scale down on the fluff and get to the point.

1. Why do you feel like I am making excuses for SC? I don't feel like I dismissed your case. I read it, and it was full of fluff and based off your gut, rather than actions within THIS game.

You did give reasoning for unvoting MattP when he replaced in (giving him time to catch up, etc), how do you feel about him now?

to the first question:

and this is where I stumble and gnash my teeth cos i can tell you why but more than likely you will dismiss it cos OMG I THINK HE IS SCUM FOR REAONS THAT MIGHT BE OUTSIDE OF YOUR EXPERIENCE. but I will try to explain it anyway.

I think i have 3? mebbe 4 completed games with sc? tbh i didn't know how he was gonna act around me considering the last game we played together was an abomination and 1 I am not fond of remembering. I lost my shit cos a misogynistic douche spent 400+ (not kidding, 400+ posts that included my name) dedicated to how I must be the sk cos the sk was hitting scum. I am being very srs that was the crux of his argument. but anyways

1 game that I am fond of remembering even tho town lost was when I got an early townread on sc and after was outed as a special cos some dumb fucktard decided to scumhunt off of their vanilla role pm I fakeclaimed hider (we were the vig) in order to do dodge a nk. I felt so very very very confident in my townread on sc that on d2 when I saw that he was alive I said I hid behind him. yaye! he was town! unfortunately he got lynched in lylo, I think partially due to nacho's stupid townread on desperado which kept me off of desperado way longer than it shld. pie shld have gone with my townread but whatev.

and I think I townread him in another game too. my point is, when sc is town I KNOW HE IS FREAKING TOWN and I am not feeling it this game. usually I can follow his thoughts (except when he is talking about light switches), he is just 1 of those players that I am able to slide into harmony with when we are both town and I AM. SO. NOT. FEELING. IT.

also i don't think I have ever actually hit on strangerkitty BUT HOW CAN I EVEN START TO IF HE IGNORES MEH. HE SAID HI WITH HIS RVS VOTE AND WHAT, NO QUESTIONS FOR THE PERSON WHO STARTED HIS WAGON IN THE FIRST PLACE LIKE OMG.

I feel fairly confident that sc is scum or else I wld not be pushing it. I like sc, I always have even if we have never actually shared a "moment" in mafia. I wldn't push him if I did not think that there was an above average chance of him flipping scum.

so there you go.

to the second:

matty - I want him to be town. I scumread sc got nothing from him and while matty did put forth some reads he has disappeared again so he has nothing to improve that slot's chronic inactivity. it wld break my heart if matty were scum, this is the best that we have gotten along and I honestly feel like he is town but again, I get paranoid of pple who are nice to me sometimes. I feel like I need to see more matty.

it is not like it has changed cos I am still not getting enough of matty.

[pirate mollie]

I am so good with dying today that way I don't have to think about zito dismantling the leading wagons thereby pushing us into the forefront when nothing was resolved with the leading wagons.

This is incredibly unfair thing to say. He isn't doing anything of that sort. The fact that you waited 4-5 days before deadline to actually push something is way worse. And there is a bunch of stuff to think about with the earlier wagons already, so this is just straight false.

I pushed sc and then you guys poopooed it away cos you pple hate meta. I refuse to vote some1 to save myself cos that never works out, town just continues to be dumb in the next day round, if there is this much of a question mark over my head then I deserve to be out cos apparently I am doing something wrong and you guys are soooo much better players than I am.

what do you think about the early wagons, scotty? now that they have died do you have any formulated conclusions? cos I don't, not really except that they were abandoned in a hurry to flashwagon notty and managed to put me in the forefront when my wagon is stale.

I am sorry if i sound grumpy scotty but I am! it wld be nice if you cld try to see things from my POV. its okay if don't/can't but it wld be nice.

I am not sure what to think about notty. I am not sure what to think about matty. you guys can figure it out cos all y'all are doing is giving me additional grey hairs and I already have a gigantic white streak.

[pirate mollie]

I am so good with dying today that way I don't have to think about zito dismantling the leading wagons thereby pushing us into the forefront when nothing was resolved with the leading wagons.

This is incredibly unfair thing to say. He isn't doing anything of that sort. The fact that you waited 4-5 days before deadline to actually push something is way worse. And there is a bunch of stuff to think about with the earlier wagons already, so this is just straight false.

I pushed sc and then you guys poopooed it away cos you pple hate meta. I refuse to vote some1 to save myself cos that never works out, town just continues to be dumb in the next day round, if there is this much of a question mark over my head then I deserve to be out cos apparently I am doing something wrong and you guys are soooo much better players than I am.

what do you think about the early wagons, scotty? now that they have died do you have any formulated conclusions? cos I don't, not really except that they were abandoned in a hurry to flashwagon notty and managed to put me in the forefront when my wagon is stale.

I am sorry if i sound grumpy scotty but I am! it wld be nice if you cld try to see things from my POV. its okay if don't/can't but it wld be nice.

I am not sure what to think about notty. I am not sure what to think about matty. you guys can figure it out cos all y'all are doing is giving me additional grey hairs and I already have a gigantic white streak.

[pirate mollie]

Actually I think I am going to flip my list one last time and go

Reck
myko
mattp
davvyboy/zito

thats pretty much where I am at!

omg you are town aren't you

[pirate mollie]

Mollie fill me in.

this is like plot's game redux except i think reck might be scum.

anti = cdb
jar jar = starbuck

I had a hot and heavy townread on zito up until he moved the leading wagon onto notty. the timing of it was incredibly bad cos dave, who was his main push, had the most votes and the wagon was building momentum but he abandoned it which put me in the lead and then he was like "lets lynch notty" and then a bunch of pple voted and that is where we stand right now.

I am more than likely gonna be lynched today cos neither reck or cdb are bothering to even get their heads in the game and are complacent in my demise, if reck is scum I expect this sort of thing but the cdb thing makes me wanna cry and I probably will at some point. he definitely doesn't like me as much as I like him and he shldn't feel bad about it I am just not his cup of tea.

I think bins is town! we had a back and forth and she feels like town bins to me. at least I think she is, I can't play the game on the defensive it screws with my reads but I really think she is town.

I think nexus and ckd are town. I wld also look at marquis for support.

oi! zito's bro brothers are flame and scotty, scotty feels town tho. they are just bro brothers. but you won't get a lot of help from them. also don't be nice to me it will more than likely get you lynched.

I am town btw, in case you haven't noticed.

[pirate mollie]

nah ill start contributing more after d1

mollie are you tryin to come @ me?

I think you shld stick with your voteparking, so that it will be proven

a) you are dumb
b) you are scum

god I hope i die today

eta: thnx zito!

[pirate mollie]

(ftr dave wagon more-or-less stalled due to too many people giving inexplicable townreads and notty had loads of posts with no real meat to them so from my perspective it was either sit and do nothing for X days or actually get some shit done but that's ok I clearly have a scum agenda here trying to get a stagnant game moving and get people to actually talk about game-related things instead of burying us in meta and walls of emotion^tm so yeh gj there mollie keep up the good work)

I wld like to point out how you didn't question the pple who townread dave. I think that is why your jump off the wagon you were trying to push was seedy.

and i don't know if this is how you play or not, we are still fairly new to each other. ITS THE TIMING. AND IT IS SEEDY.

[pirate mollie]

i hope the same thing i think

okay.

[pirate mollie]

I wld have loved to have rolled vengeful right about now.

[pirate mollie]

Really? What were 974/977 then.

your half-hearted attempts to appear town?

and i don't know if this is how you play or not, we are still fairly new to each other. ITS THE TIMING. AND IT IS SEEDY.

SHRUG

I don't find 3+ days to be iffy timing in the least.

I ALSO dunno why you're so convinced you're dead meat when you're rocking 3 whole votes and 0 whole people actually pushing you. so uh yeah how's that paranoia working out for you rn[/quote]

I fairly certain every1 is scum but me.

you don't start a wagon, then abandon it when it is the lead wagon cos you think there might be "resistance" to it 4 days before deadline when you cld have said something snazzy and amazing to sway the crowd, cos I happen to know that you can do this.

you put notty and I as the frontrunners and I am REALLY not seeing why you think notty is scum.

[pirate mollie]

gah quote fail

lets see who is actually paying attention!

[pirate mollie]

jesus fucking christ why is myko not dead yet

[pirate mollie]

I am away for the next 36 hours, if I can drop in to give you guys a quick votecount I will.

do you have a back-up mod? can you ask patrick, fenny or quadzypants to do vcs? and keep up with the game so you don't have to worry about it?

[pirate mollie]

marquis I am really not understanding how or why you thought blackberry was town. and to say that zito is experienced so "OMG CLD BE SCUM" doesn't match up when blackberry is a bit more?

[pirate mollie]

I don't know what you mean by speccing. Im saying its a possibility. In his other three theme games, Chaz use a mafia and sk in one mini, and just mafia in another mini. He used two mafia groups in his third theme, which was larger.

I'm saying scummy people being on a wagon doesn't not discredit it when we don't know how many scum groups there are. I don't see why you have a problem with that.

And what happened inbetween you unvoting Matt, saying he might be town, to voting for him again and expressing your desire for his lynch? Inbetween that, Matt had only made like 8 posts, quite a few of them being him saying he would catch up.

if prozack is using multiball set-up then I am gonna fly to scotland and stomp on his big toe. IRL.

I am so over multi-ball no1 has any freaking idea, I am just burnt out on it.

can I just die now and get it over with since the 3 players who started my wagon are doing and fuck all for the rest of the game and somehow pple are srsly letting myko get away with pretending he doesn't know me jesus fucking christ what drugs are you on plz send me some.

[pirate mollie]

also!

PROD DODGE!

[pirate mollie]

marquis I am really not understanding how or why you thought blackberry was town. and to say that zito is experienced so "OMG CLD BE SCUM" doesn't match up when blackberry is a bit more?

I'm not him but I had similar thoughts to what he said here:

as for my blackberry townread, while that kind of circular rambling (94) is really easy to do as scum (it's pretty much my go-to method for scumplay), right now i'm at the point where i feel comfortable ignoring the WIFOM and going by the odds - that his blatant self-awareness is more likely town than scum

their first post just seemed like someone who hadn't played in a while, was genuinely unsure what to do. Didn't seem like a post they'd make as scum. I don't think you're going to gain traction for voting mykonian today.

contrast that with star, catboi, I wld love to see what you come up with

also it is a new page so prod dodge!

[pirate mollie]

4. pirate mollie - actively sabotaging my efforts is apparently gr8 fun

I voted your lead on dave and now you are being whiny about it?

was I not supposed to defend a notty lynch? which was a compromise you wanted to make with nexus?

teach me more oh great scumlord

[pirate mollie]

Zito is town pile. Notty is probs town pile.

As per normal I have not read the game.

Who we lynching? Mattp is what I'm gathering from zito posts.

vote: mattp

and me?

[pirate mollie]

I have asked Patrick to do a vote count later.

yaye!

<3 to you both

[pirate mollie]

reck - he is being so weird.so very very weird. I looked back at the games he posted and no, he did not show signs of the paranoia that he says he felt. so he isn't quite being truthful about that, unless it was somehow bigger in his head than what he let on...in every single game. the thing is if he did NOT know how to read me but has had some success in the past albeit it took him time then why is he not wanting to give me time in this game? that is what i find puzzling. its like he is not even attempting to sort me out and just wants me GONE.

im not going to go dig through past games for the fourth fucking time to prove why you're wrong but

you're literally fucking wrong

because I linked directly to the posts in some cases where I scumread you so please stop straight up lying? like wtf is this.

you listed in GAMES, not links to posts. I looked up 1 of the games and no, nope, vague paranoid feelings is not the same as saying some1 is garbage and shld be lynched d1 when they are not scum.

[pirate mollie]

notty, marquis, bins and espy

can we try to coalesce a bit? plz?

[pirate mollie]

is reck ever in sitechat?

NEWZ TO ME

[pirate mollie]

is reck ever in sitechat?

NEWZ TO ME

He's lying. But LAL is dumb so he's k for now.

espy.

reck and I know each other IRL I used to be his weekend roommate cos he was kind enough to offer his couch while I worked in the city he lives in. he vote parked on me until a cple of pages ago the whole time saying he can't read me.

think about it.

[pirate mollie]

MattP needs to die because SC was scummy af and too many people are like "yeah MattP is scum BUT LET ME VOTE HERE INSTEAD".

Espeonage just go read SC's ISO and people's responses to it to see why he was scummy. It's not that long.

so have you abandoned your scumread on the espy slot?

sure looks like it

[pirate mollie]

ty for your help in lynching myko <3!

[pirate mollie]

wow some1 sounds worried

[pirate mollie]

still town btw!

[pirate mollie]

mollie if you're going to be obtuse on purpose and refuse to answer me im going to vote you and cheer for your lynch

you have an opportunity to engage w/ me and talk to me and you're just basically trolling

idc if you go back to your shitty vote on me

it is obvs what I am doing with espy, I am giving him my thoughts. cos he asked for them.

what I wld love to hear is why you have a problem with it.

[pirate mollie]

he asked for my thoughts on the

game

so when you voted me, where was my play shitty again?

[pirate mollie]

Here, let me lay this out in pretty easy to digest questionnaire format:

1) Why did you quote a post about me not being in sitechat in your response?
2) What does you sleeping on my couch have to do with anything?
3) Where did Espe ask you for your thoughts on me?
4) Why are you saying "think about it" to Espy instead of spelling it out for him?
5) What is your implication with all of the above? What is your read on me?

1. I have never en yo sitechat.
2. connectivity.
3. he never did. he asked me for my thoughts on the game. in his first post.
4. connectivity.
5. I think you are scum at least I hope you are cos that is the only reason that I can think of for you to vote park on me while simultaneously saying you can't read me. on d1.

[pirate mollie]

Since Espe replaced in, you've already made

several

posts saying you thought I was scummy/playing weird.

So... why quote that specific quote in response to him interacting with me, and what are you trying to say with it?

the post I quoted was you interacting with him, not the other way around.

[pirate mollie]

I mean you can feel free to spam the thread with your meaningless bullshit I am just going to call you *****2.

[pirate mollie]

i am not going to answer your loaded questions reck.

you shld just answer them for me that way you will have the predetermined conclusions you want. do you what smells lie an agenda? LOADED QUESTIONS.

[pirate mollie]

he asked for my thoughts on the

game

so when you voted me, where was my play shitty again?

still waiting for an answer to this!

cos all I got from your early ramblings was that I wasn't giving you enough attention.

the point that I was making to espy and every1 else was that we have a connection that goes beyond the game, and I wanted him to take that into consideration. cos he will get it I think.

your whole dramaqueen meltdown is a vast overreaction to it and for the life of me I can't figure out why except that you think you won't be able to manipulate espy why the fuck is this whole thing about espy and not your shitty voteparking on me for shitty reasons oh yeah it is cos I was responding to your posts.

[pirate mollie]

wow some1 sounds worried

Mollie, you're getting worked up and let's be honest you tend to tunnel when ure mad. Reck is actually being objective here a quality he tends to lack when I pick up on his scum game. I generally have a good gut for Reck and he's actually looking p good here.

I am p sure you know how I feel about appeals to relational authority and while I respect your ability. I think ure wrong here and not focusing correctly. Peeps are fall able Reck too is fall able.

Now Reck. For like the first time ever we get to be town. Now I'm not saying molliw is town here. But her reading is generally based on emotional connection and I don't think this stuff is necessarily caused by her being obtuse Bc scum.

Try for your interactions. Mollie is null town. Reck is town pool proper.

I am not mad I am furious.

[pirate mollie]

I am not even voting him or pushing him why is this a thing.

oh yeah for some reason he felt threatened when you reached out to me. like this is the most exchanges we have had, he thinks my play is shitty but won't say why.

he isn't town in my eyes.

[pirate mollie]

Mollie fill me in.

first post.

am I mistaken that he was reaching out to me?

[pirate mollie]

nah ill start contributing more after d1

mollie are you tryin to come @ me?

this was ONE of your first posts after espy subbed in and you were doing fuck all.

why did you single me out only to get into a retarded shitwar with me and ignore notty?

[pirate mollie]

For whatever reason I'm laughing at this whole exchange on the last page

we are fighting for espy's love

[pirate mollie]

also I am not voting star ever!

[pirate mollie]

Slight townread for scot, greater idea kinda has me kinda shaky.

I'm cool with reck, yeah

this is amazing since flame did not want to join the dave wagon cos of who was on it. scotty is who he listed at the time!

god I hope I die tonight

[pirate mollie]

why was star so far behind when over the weekend she made blurbs so surely she had computer access.

and yet now she is catching up?

IDGI

[pirate mollie]

(it was 22)

is this before star's ketchup?

cos I can't tell

[pirate mollie]

Hey, at least I deliver unlike most people who say they will.

your questions were answered, which is what I thought.

you can make up shit if you want, I guess.

[pirate mollie]

go back to voting me reck

idc and I won't get mad

[pirate mollie]

go back to voting me reck

idc and I won't get mad

you can stop the pity party bullshit

you can stop being a jerk.

[pirate mollie]

its funny how being nice never once crossed your mind

[pirate mollie]

reck the game gets easier if you just hit /ignore

plz nk me

[pirate mollie]

reck the game gets easier if you just hit /ignore

plz nk me

NEVER VIG

NEVER EVER VIG

okay.

I can at least help here and mebbe you guys can get some1 you like better!

@ sorry prozack plz replace me

[pirate mollie]

also also also I was compromised!

I didn't fully realize it until now. I don't think it was intentional.

[pirate mollie]

it is also not from any1 who is currently on the player list!

cos I woke up and realized where that cld go.

/out

[pirate mollie]

WOOHOO!

I DON'T HAVE TO REPLACE OUT!