A Musical Mafia! (Game over)

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Hi guys

I'm probably going to start reading from this point on. Maybe a few pages back. A fill in would be of great help

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Someone told me earlier they saw why I thought tictac was scum but that he was town. I think that's why I unvoted him in the first place?

You unvoted because someone saw your point?

Uhhh

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Well this was productive

Goodnight everyone

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Actually Plot, do you have any posts on FS that don't involve meta?

Seems like sorting you two is a good place to start

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No-one has died on Night 2

????

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Flubber you're gonna have to contribute more then that.
I dislike how FS is still the leading wagon with no real counter offered. It's like scum wants the game in this kind of melancholy game state with one leading wagon and nothing really happening. If they were scum I think there would have been a counterwagon by now.

Lol at "contribute more than that"

Followed by "there's no good counterwagon" with you on a vanity wagon and the other cw only recently dying down.

Doesn't a lack of a cw point to scum anyway??

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Reads, a vote, some analysis of anything?

Lack of a counterwagon points to the main wagon being on town.

I already told you I'm not reading much into what's already posted

You're trying to grill me for going through 2 pages of content and not having the game solved. Actually, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and call it three because I looked at the flips and skimmed the vote counts. Your push still sucks

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I'm going to read through all of plot's post within the next day or so

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You're trying to auto the game based off of a townbloc?

How many conftown in it?

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Dude I totally have a dram inno, I don't know what you are talking about.

Is this sarcasm?

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So Marquis is some sort of cop

Blue=conftown

Teal=conftown from your perspective

Purple-ish=town reads

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Lack of a counterwagon points to the main wagon being on town.

I was deciding whether or not I wanted to bite onto this

Counterwagons come up so scum can get the lynch off their alignment

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I must be missing something big

Tpp's crumbing looks pretty obvious

Shame on you all

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So far I have Sircakez for town

Itlepip's townbloc is meh but I've never seen scum try to lead one. They normally just try to slip into someone else's. Wine aside he can be town.

Marquis is conftown to my knowledge

Dwlee's bloodthirst is...different. Last time I played with him he was an unproductive ball of rage. This is something else. His tone is a tone I use a lot when I think town is being really stupid. But I haven't dug much into any of what he is actually arguing. He's null like most of the town to me but I'm very suspicious of him and hope to have him sorted in the next few pages.

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Uh Flubber I literally lead one in my last scum game.

I wasn't in that game

I'll retract my town read on you, thx

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what game did you play w/ me, flubber?

Borderlands

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what game did you play w/ me, flubber?

Borderlands

i was alive one day lol

what does this have to do with anything?

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what game did you play w/ me, flubber?

Borderlands

i was alive one day lol

what does this have to do with anything?

You compared day 1 play where I was tunelled by the entire game to.this one?

I don't think you were tunneled as hard as you think you were

Even then I don't see how that's relevant

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I'm not okay with fs only being able to respond to Marquis

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Lol

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so essentially what this post reads to me is that you're looking at this game from the lens of guilty until proven innocent. You're recognizing things that we do as scum, okay, sure. But what's convincing you that what we're saying excludes the possibility of us being town? That's what you haven't been conveying to me, and I find that worrying. I think that a lot of the stuff you've done is mislynch logic which is also worrying.

Uhhh this isn't the court of law this is mafia

You just admitted you're doing things you would do as scum, and are trying to play word gymnastics to say that's a bad reason to scum read you

You're literally saying not to scum read you over the things you do as scum

What

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again, marquis, you're looking at us and saying "what would scum do?" and "is friendless seniors doing that thing?" but you're not asking yourself "would town friendless seniors doing that thing too?" I'm seeing a pattern of confbias from you. You were right with skybird, but it's my belief that there were some objectively really weak arguments that you were pushing against skybird. And you're trying the same strategy with us and after multiple trials it's not gonna help town in the long run.

I have no clue how you are seeing this from Marquis's post

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when no one has any idea who scum is and town is largely off base, yes, I care deeply about survival.

Shouldn't you be making stronger pushes in this case?

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You not liking the gamestate doesn't mean that you actually have done any gamesolving.

Motherfucker you beat me to it

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/page 167

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flubber vote tpp

go sit in the corner and think about your life

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flubber who hasn't read thread

has nerve to say our pushes are weak

ok then

if you were making good pushes you wouldn't have to say town is directionless

and you

certainly

wouldn't have to use that as an excuse to play in survival mode ie like scum

you can't ad hom your way out of this one

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Ok so:
Claiming woukd out prs
I have no info on prs
I have info from my role
sjntbfbnfj

drunk comes to mind

especially if scum got the results

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ogre what is you're read on dwlee?

Actually I have the same question for tpp

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christ I feel really bad for Nacho

You just said nacho was fake and now you feel bad for him?

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Oh yes let's push TPP for pages and now and rage at the fact they info dumped which is what people were asking them to do anyways.


=.=

I thought I was the only one that saw this

Itlepip and cerb just got a lot scummier

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I thought they were competent enough players to not blindly dumb information because Dwlee of all people was calling them scum. This makes my life so much more difficult than it has to be. 1 + though, Flubber should probably out his invest result.

Podo you are 100% alone in that. Please never out who the vig is thankyouverymuchthen.

There's a push from someone other than dwlee not even three posts above the claim

Stop pushing an agenda

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Because TPP's claim was cleary bs and I knew it. I made good points about why it was bs and no one listened.

There never was a claim and there weren't any holes in it. You were pushing for a fullclaim of someone you thought was scum for softing. That's just kinda lazy tbh. Like if you are town here then you just decided to shut your brain off and just only look at this one thing that happened in a 4000 post game. You didn't look at interactions with sky, or weird posts or anything like that. You just kinda pushed 1 tiny thing that if you were wrong about just outs a shitload of town PR for no gain.

The best way to do this honestly is to push TPP for stuff that doesn't involve outing a shit ton of PRs.

Like you have to learn that there are times when lynching obv scum isn't the best, and I don't think you even considered it. I still believe that Mirhawk has the highest chance of being scum, but I don't think that me trying to strongarm that lynch is super important nor am I worried about Mirhawk seriously pulling the wool over town's eyes.

You're yelling at dwlee for making a pr claim after yelling at the pr that dwlee didn't push hard enough to make him claim

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Frankly, I trust Cakez and itlepip for being willing to pressure me. Like, my posting has been incredibly inconsistent, and I feel like I've been easy mislynch bait, but I'm starting to think that scum intends on using that to their advantage in the late game since a weird number of players are treating me like obvtown when frankly, I don't think I am. FS wants to vote me because I'm pushing them, and they know they should be able to counterwagon me, but they refuse to because they know I'm more useful to scum in the late game, so instead they call me godtown so that I survive to the late game.

I think itlepip is probably right. I'd be dangerous to bring to the late game. That doesn't mean I want people to lynch me or anything, I'm just saying I like that itlepip and Cakez seem willing to do it, when people I read as scum seem unwilling.

Scum make these kinds of posts

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Marquis, I'm town.

You don't want all those cleared town alive tomorrow. I can actually do good this game.

Don't let me die when you're likely to tonight.

Lets lynch cerb or someone like that, and I'll settle down on the TPP thing until we're absolutely sure I'm right.

Suddenly I'm reminded of your avi

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^^that's the last post I've read

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VOTE: Dwlee

Tbh illvote FSjust to make them shut up

Bad

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Yeah Flub wtf is my agenda

Mislynches duh

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We're gonna lose the game anyways, this town is entirely composed of people who want to sit on their dick.

^
There's my case for not making a case.

@Flubber

: Confirm/Deny that you are neighbor with TPP?

This is a stupid question

Don't you think I would be cc'ing the shit out of TPP if they were lying?

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Oh yes let's push TPP for pages and now and rage at the fact they info dumped which is what people were asking them to do anyways.


=.=

I thought I was the only one that saw this

Itlepip and cerb just got a lot scummier

For the record, Flubbernugget...I was yelling at him to not dump the info. Well, not yelling, but i made a simple, cogent case why it wouldn't be beneficial for them to share their information.

Also, you don't have to just do what people ask you to do. Just because everyone is telling you to do something which you know is the wrong thing to do, doesn't mean you have to do it. They have agency, and I'm judging them for making a bad decision using that agency.

So you're saying you should have no responsibility in influencing a bad decision

Okay buddy

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Wait I misread that hold on

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Well 8 have no clue why I thought you were pushing TPP to claim

My bad

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I also think it's weird that Flubbernugget came by and posted and had nothing at all to say about his role or PP outing him.

On this episode of "stupid things I thought only dramonic was doing"

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like i start pushing you and pulling up reasons why you'd be a reasonable scumlynch
you push to the forefront "hmmm that cerb guy he isn't doing anything"
i start making a push on mirhawk that's also now getting wagon support
your first response is "well what about itlepip then he hasn't been town again in the last few pages"

i'll give more on mirhawk and condense it when i'm not on the go but like. man. pull a plotinus, look at how he's jumped around post to post on his skybird/cakez kinda-dichotomy, and maybe others too

I know pre flip associatives are bad but they could both be scum here

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Why is it so hard to form a Mirhawk wagon all of a sudden? Marquis has a pretty solid case.

Wagons on scum don't race up

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i remember flubbernugget saying that "this isn't a court of law" or some bullshit like that. Flubbernugget, your argument is trash

How is this related to anything in any way?

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I have to filter through a Mirhawk and possibly a marquis iso. This may turn into a he said she said kinda thing

Actually I might just wait for the quote walls to pop up and actually read them for once

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Bookmark post

So after my database final I'll trace posts for marquis's, case

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So I procrastinated

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his treatment of skybird + tpp + cakez + me_and_my_innos is inconsistent and nonsensical to various degrees

Looking just at what you quoted, the trajectory of his reads looks like frustrated town

Sometimes you really just

can't

get the town to see what you see.

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If cerb has a habit of constantly talking about himself as town I've completely missed it

If not he might be scum

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Also Cakez, it'd be super cool if you didn't shoot me if you are the vig.

You never say this to your top scumread ftr. Mir is just outed, we have a few days before deadline, can we get him to claim yet and do final readlist thing and questions soon.

Pedit: in case you didn't notice Skybird flipped scum.

What do you mean mir is outed I don't remember an l1 or a claim

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VOTE: Flubber

VOTE: Mirhawk I couldn't do it.

<3

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VOTE: mirhawk

This seems more viable than FS atm

If Mirhawk is scum, I'd expect Cakez to be scum too

bad

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No Dwlee. Not over my dead body

how about besides your dead body?

Most of the time you irritate me but this was pretty good

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VOTE: mirhawk

This seems more viable than FS atm

If Mirhawk is scum, I'd expect Cakez to be scum too

bad

Don't nip at the IC.

unless you have an investigate result on them that doesn't make sense

Also what are your thoughts on the way Piper claimed on your behalf and the conclusions they drew from your neighbourhood?
Are you thinking Piper's town overall? Or do things feel off?

Did not know pistachion was an IC. I wonder why you were the first to say something about it.

I honestly knew it was inevitable from the way the game was going down so it doesn't bother me. The neighborhood was the first part of the game I read in catch up and it led me to believe they were town.

I'm stuck between confused by their handling of their claim and the rest of their play b being overall town.

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And just another quick question... I suppose your BP is passive, so you didn't actually load it up as such?

Ask tictac

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His musical doesn't match the town musicals we've seen so far.
If scum want to fakeclaim they're going to need to do better than claiming their actual flavour.

Mod: [/i] when you host a theme game, do you typically provide flavor fake claims?

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Flavor hunting is fucking irritating either way

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So what's the point of a flavour-cop?

To catch someone post flavor claim

I've also seen one hint at prs but that was highly controversial

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And just another quick question... I suppose your BP is passive, so you didn't actually load it up as such?

Ask tictac

tictac took your role pm with him? What did tictac say in your neighbourhood about using his bulletproof?

I thought there was a why in your question that I didn't see

Either way I'm not going into the status of my BP

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Hey EP

I know why you can only think of two scum reads

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This is the best you could do to avoid your own lynch?

I'd be finding a scum and forcing a lynch down their throat as opposed to my own.

Look at how well this is working for friendly seniors!

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Actually I'll have to catch up during the night

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The fs wagon came before the Mirhawk wagon??

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The fs wagon came before the Mirhawk wagon??

There was lingering pressure and discontent for FS from the original D1 push on them, which had two wagons on town going up, which was reflected early in D3. Then there was a significant wagon on Mirhawk off of Marquis' push, which gained a lot of momentum until it stalled at L-1/L-2, approximately 24ish hours before deadline, and then all the votes shifted over to FS for incomprehensible reasons.

Also, we're at L-2, in like 2 hours. I'd like to hear from everyone.

UNVOTE:

None of this says fs is a cw to me, especially after the screaming speed at which the wagon came forth

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On the subject of Flubber, I notice he hasn't posted a result for a cop investigation. According to Piper, the only JOAT ability he had left was the cop. Whats up Flubber, did you do a thing last night?

Interesting wording you have there

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Flubber is a JOAT with a Neighborize + Bulletproof + Investigative;

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Can you two bumblefucks actually pay attention to the game for once

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I've come around to seeing Mirhawks case on cakez but now I want to look into this

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Interesting wording you have there

Interesting how you aren't confirming/denying anything.

I didn't notice at first, but Axel was a ninja, hmm.

Also, did somebody not speculate about ninja's earlier in the game? I definitely have no desire to go back and look for it, but I seem to remember a conversation about that.

You know what? I was 100% sure you were going to dodge this question but you did by pushing the same way two other people did so you're probably going to get away with it

I haven't used my tracker yet

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VOTE: Mirhawk

Think that's L-1

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I have attention issues and people are ignoring me

Sorry

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You know what? I was 100% sure you were going to dodge this question but you did by pushing the same way two other people did so you're probably going to get away with it

I haven't used my tracker yet

Any now you're confirming everything just because?

You're obviously being cagey about your role, why would it be suspicious for anyone to point that out? The fact that three people have pointed it out is a pretty clear indication that it's pretty obvious what you're doing.

I slipped that i was a tracker and it was a suboptimal thing to say

You went from investigative->cop

Town says "oops I misremembered"

Scum says" Oh shit I showed I have extra info how do I cover this up"

I'm "confirming everything" so you can't fill the thread with "I'll show mine if your show yours" Bullshit

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Um

You knew I had an investigate for a long time as part of my JOAT and are just showing concern

now

?

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Checking in but not actually here rn

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Um

You knew I had an investigate for a long time as part of my JOAT and are just showing concern

now

?

I cc'd the moment you claimed tracker.

INVESTIGATIVE

YOU STILL FUCKING KNEW I HAD AN INVESTIGATIVE

THAT SHOULD HAVE HAD A LITTLE RED FLAG POP UP IN ALL THE EMPTY SPACE BETWEEN YOUR EARS SWEETHEART

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FLUBBER I DEMAND AN EXPLANATION FOR US BOTH HAVING TRACKER CRAP

I'M ONE SHOT FUCKTARD IT'S NOT GETTING ME VERY FAR

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ugh so I was trying to get a reaction but I only got reactions from people that aren't flubber. Flubber just straight up ignored me. =_=

THE FUCKING SITE WAS FUCKING DOWN FUCKING SUE ME

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For those following at home I still think Mirhawk slipped role hunting he was doing in a scum pt. This actually works perfectly if dwlee is a scum tracker too.

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Actually drop the second part I'm dumb

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For those following at home I still think Mirhawk slipped role hunting he was doing in a scum pt. This actually works perfectly if dwlee is a scum tracker too.

....

Why have you previously expressed a degree of dissatisfaction with my slot and/or the Mirhawk push if you feel that way?

Because those happened before what I'm seeing now

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I genuinely thought Mirhawk was at L1 with my vote but I seem to have brought a stream of intentional reaction tests to the game with it and they're all fucking shit.

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@flubber

That's a dumb reason Nugs. If we were talking about another player I don't think you would be able to convince me that it was more likely that I made a PT mistake over me just not remembering exactly what Piper said fifty pages ago.

I'd also like to hear from more people as to why the case I laid out on Piper yesterday is less than compelling. Assume I'm not scum for a moment, why don't you agree with it?

I would expect you to look into it

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>checks in
>sees lack of Pied Piper posts
>is further suspicious of said Piper
>checks out

Why

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Because they were incredibly active yesterday, but have vanished today.

You are scum

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I think I just realized how terrifying a 1v1 between mastin2 and Plotinus would be

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I don't think its out of line to demand they actually state what direction they're going with this. Because it looks to me like they're posting a lot of reasons to scumread a whole bunch of people, but aren't apparently pushing any of them themselves. Rather they're waiting to see what everyone's reaction to this is.

Except... We don't know what direction we are going. That's the point. What piece of this reasoning is so unreasonable or irrational to you?

Then What's the point other than to flood the thread with...stuff

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Or if you're tired of waiting,

you have the power

to speed it along.

You are more to us

than just cranky grandpa dramonic.

Why is there AtE is so much of what you say?

Did you mean to quote that post?

Yes

You're not doing anything useful

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It's concerning to me that everyone who I am more suspicious of than confident in (podo, itlepip, and cakez) are also on the Mirhawk wagon..I still don't like mirhawk though. This is a terrible quqndary I find myself in..

Time can sort that one out

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I have no interest in doing much more than glancing over the posts between TPP and Mirhawk

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Catching up now

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VOTE: mirhawk
let's just do this, my read really depend on the flip

Chaining lynches

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I'm quickly realizing my drive to play this game has been weakening the more and more this Mirhawk-TPP-no-I-am-the-top-poster thing continues and judging from recent activity patterns I'm sure it's not just me. This also feels petty to say but I feel like Nacho and Plot should both recognize how much his hydra is contributing to gamewide apathy.

At this point I'm still all for lynching Mirhawk and moving on, but while I don't think I'll actively vote TPP myself I wouldn't be too upset to see them gone.

The game is apathetic because no one gives a shit about it.

You really don't see the chicken-egg cycle in this?

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What was the whole Tracker issue with... Flubber and Dwlee, I think? I lost track of that.

Dwlee tried to reaction test me by saying he cc'd a tracker

The results are... Inconclusive

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What was the whole Tracker issue with... Flubber and Dwlee, I think? I lost track of that.

Dwlee counterclaimed Flubber's one-shot and then retracted his counterclaim.

Since you've been here the whole time and clearly not as averse to doing a lot of digging, want to show me Flubber's reaction to that? Please?

I treated him like a dumbass but his inability to make any attempt to sort me from his actions is scummy

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Holy shit, I missed that dwlees counterclaim was fake. Fuck man. I am clearly not paying enough attention. :-/

Marquis, Flubber didn't respond to dwlees counterclaim. At all. Other people, like myself, commented on it because it was dumb to act like there was any significance to a tracker counterclaim when the other tracker is just one shot of a JOAT, but he didn't say anything about it. One sec.

You're saying something that's factually wrong and then bring up the quotes that prove your wrong in your next post.

Bravo?

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Holy shit, I missed that dwlees counterclaim was fake. Fuck man. I am clearly not paying enough attention. :-/

Marquis, Flubber didn't respond to dwlees counterclaim. At all. Other people, like myself, commented on it because it was dumb to act like there was any significance to a tracker counterclaim when the other tracker is just one shot of a JOAT, but he didn't say anything about it. One sec.

You're saying something that's factually wrong and then bring up the quotes that prove your wrong in your next post.

Bravo?

Yeah, I went and looked it up and you said one thing that could be argued was a response, however....in that possible response you didn't directly address it? You just said something about him knowing you were an investigative for days, and questioning him on why he brought up the cc thing right now...when that's not even relevant. If he HAD been an actual tracker counterclaiming you, WHY would he have said something earlier, when you hadn't claimed exactly what sort of investigative you were? Your answer wasn't an answer.

For one, it's not in the dwlee meta to wait on screaming and shouting about something he sees

Second, if I said "where are your crumbs" we wouldn't be having this discussion

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You're assuming I knew he was gambiting... Why?

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You're also more concerned with my questions than the fact that dwlee was unable to answer them

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Oh I guess I didn't directly answer your question looking back at it

His cc was a mix between being balance based and "2 trackers doesn't mix" based. The balance part of the cc should have pinged somewhere

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You're assuming I knew he was gambiting... Why?

No, I'm not assuming you knew he was gambiting? Where do you get that from?

It was just the way I interpreted your post

....flubbernugget. what the fuck was there for him to see before you claimed tracker, specificaly? He couldn't have tried a counterclaim gambit on you WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT TO COUNTERCLAIM WITH.

"He couldn't have tried a counterclaim gambit"

Like, maybe he was a tracker. Now it's no longer a gambit, just a stupid play.

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wasn't he scum in that game???

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Cerb what does 5868 make you think of dwlee?

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Hey Mirhawk

My cards are further from my chest than shotty's. Why am I your preferred lynch to him?

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New job offer has me busy sorry

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VOTE: Dwlee

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I have to reset my prod timer again sorry

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The fact Mirhawk has disappeared completely from the game at deadline is super scummy also.
Wish we could lynch there still :/

Same

Tho you're still scum

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Come on dram if he flips town we will wagon the hell out of tpp tomorrow

But Podo is probably gonna flip scum. Then it'll be the same fucking song and dance AGAIN.

Why do you keep whining about lynching scum

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VOTE: Sircakez

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I missed why podo was scum

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The more dramonic posts the more I start to see dwlee with a more elegant facade around the tunnel

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Hey Mirhawk talk to me about dramonic

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I know I'm getting into wine territory but something bugs me about having two death-tunnelers on the same scum team

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I know I'm getting into wine territory but something bugs me about having two death-tunnelers on the same scum team

Wine? Where is it?

Do you really think two players would behave so similar and both be scum? It's possible but rubs me the wrong way

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I know I'm getting into wine territory but something bugs me about having two death-tunnelers on the same scum team

Who are the two death-tunnelers in this hypothetical situation? Dram and dwlee?

Yes

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Thanks for giving me something to respond to Cakez. I have to admit, though, that I don't really see how my interactions with dwlee are scummy. You say they're "not very good," and I assume by that you mean they're scummy, since it's basically the only reason you're giving to scumread me. So I went into my ISO, did a find on "dwlee" and these are some of the posts I found.

Spoiler: posts I made that demonstrate that dwlee and I are not scum partners

Because TPP's claim was cleary bs and I knew it. I made good points about why it was bs and no one listened.

You basically made one point; a misrep about how they implied they were an investigative role (which they didn't), and then said that their knowledge doesn't come from being an investigative role. If I'm misremembering that in some way, let me know, and I'll go look through your ISO and quote all the instances I can find.

Yeah. The only things you said were that they claimed knowledge of PR's(which they did do), implied they were an investigative(which they didn't, as podo said), and they softed an innocent on someone(which they sorta did, but this lose a lot of meaning if you aren't assuming they claimed an investigative). You then put all that together in a blender, and realized none of it added up to a single role you could call them, and decided that meant part of what they were saying had to be untrue, therefore they are scum, without EVER considering that they could actually have just arrived at a number of conclusions through their analysis.

Don't think it really matters though, except I kinda do want to lynch you, but I don't think anybody else does. Like, does anybody else see dwlee as potentially scum here? I really feel like we need to look outside the established "probtown" group and the people that have been getting consistently pushed to the edge of being lynched.

pedit: pip, you really need to explain that read on me. I fucking suck man. And the only game you have with me was SF and UNIMUM(right? you were in unimum right?), where I was, well, a fucking marvel of posting. I was always there, I was on top of the entire game, and I had something to say about EVERYTHING.

I can see wagonning on dwlee here. Let's do it and see what happens. VOTE: dwlee

Because TPP's claim was cleary bs and I knew it. I made good points about why it was bs and no one listened.

You basically made one point; a misrep about how they implied they were an investigative role (which they didn't), and then said that their knowledge doesn't come from being an investigative role. If I'm misremembering that in some way, let me know, and I'll go look through your ISO and quote all the instances I can find.

time to get the iso!!

On it!

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Apparently dwlee wagon isn't happening. Cerb, I thought you wanted to do that.

VOTE: FS

Happy to lynch (in descending order of happiness):
dramonic (always happy for this)
Mirhawk
FS

Will accept, begrudgingly:
Cerberus
dwlee
TPP (this and dwlee are to resolve the conflict. one of the two needs to die soon, and TPP's mislynch could at least have protown implications in proving their reads as legit town's. I will only accept if the only other option is no lynch)

What was the whole Tracker issue with... Flubber and Dwlee, I think? I lost track of that.

Dwlee counterclaimed Flubber's one-shot and then retracted his counterclaim.

Since you've been here the whole time and clearly not as averse to doing a lot of digging, want to show me Flubber's reaction to that? Please?

I treated him like a dumbass but his inability to make any attempt to sort me from his actions is scummy

That's a good point. Dwlee has completely dropped the ball on actually trying to accomplish something with that counterclaim gambit.

Prod dodge / read list:

Def Town:

Marquis

- Pretty self explanatory. I also happen to have experience with her play, and she's playing basically exactly the same way she did last time we were town together. Not lynching.

dramonic

- I didn't want to have to spell this out, but look at the voting pattern. Dramonic voted Axelrod before it was cool, when Axelrod had absolutely no pressure on him, for basically the entire game. Dramonic is town.

pistachion

- duh

Mala

- Marquis has an innocent on her.

Pretty towny:

Cakez

- A lot of gut. A lot of consistency with how he played as town in our previous game. A lot of him having good reads. A lot of players I trust trusting him. I think Cakez is good.

shotty

- Don't like his opinions on the current game state, but I liked TO/Talah a lot. Would like to have him back.

Flubbernugget

- I don't know why, but I like him. I was ready to lynch Tictac, but I like Flubber's claim, and his contributing today has been worthy of keeping him around, as opposed to some other players in the game.

Pretty scummy:

dwlee

- HEY, HOW ABOUT BUILDING A CASE INSTEAD OF SHOUTING INTO THE VOID, which is basically what I'm doing by trying to speak any amount of reason to you.

itlepip

- Kinda just tired of this slot, to be honest. Beeboy was a whole lot of wifom, death tunneling someone who is now confirmed town. Itlepip protected dramonic for absolutely no reason other than "I think he's town, lol," then backed off of voting me when I was adamant about my read, but didn't actually vote for dramonic, or explain why he stopped voting for me. Like, I was 1v1ing dramonic, itlepip picked a side, then just jumped out of the middle of it when I gave him shit for it. Dramonic and I were town v town, and itlepip probably just realized he should leave me alone and let me fight rather than egg anything on, because it was bringing attention to him. But that's just how I'm reading it. If anyone forgets this exchange, and would like me to find the post number where it starts, I'll go digging.

I don't even know what to think any more:

TPP

- If I wanted to read a book, I would have finished Game of Thrones by now.

Cerberus

- All of his votes in the game have been for Mirhawk, which I find really weird. I don't know how to read this slot basically at all. I intend to ISO it at some point.

I trust Marquis:

Mirhawk

- Mirhawk seems pretty genuine to me here, and is reminding me a lot of FS. I also like the basic villager claim, because I'm certain we have some, and he's the first to claim basic, rather than some random power role. So far, the two scum have had weird modifiers. Mirhawk could safely claim that, or anything else that Rob provided as a fake claim, but instead he just says basic. I don't think that's farfetched.


I'm voting Mirhawk because I trust Marquis to read him better than I would, so I'm basically sheeping. If it were up to me, I'd lynch dwlee or itlepip here, or remove TPP and just call it a day.

Of course, some amount of this could easily be construed as some form of distancing. I'm aware of that. I'm hoping that the volume of these posts, matters for something. If I hadn't been absent from the start of the very fast dwlee wagon, I would have jumped on board. Obviously, there's no way for me to prove that, and I'm just gonna have to accept that I could get lynched here for being inactive during that time, and sacrificing my ability to demonstrate were I stood. As you can see from my ISO, I was happy with lynching either dwlee or TPP, I just didn't think dwlee was happening, and we were running out of time.


I obviously intend to be more active now that I'm on the chopping block, so if you have any questions for me, or anything you'd like me to elaborate on, please ask, so I can respond in kind. Unless you're scum, and you have no interest in giving town the chance to defend themselves.

The biggest issue with your town case as far as interactions with dwlee is that the only votes on him that really matter are the ones that got him lynched.

In all honesty if I squint at your posts hard enough I can see you steering into the proverbial skid of dwlee's play.

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sorry podo but i'm not convinced

You're clearly convinced of something, enough to vote for me, and I'd really like it if you could spell out that logic for me.

Throw me some rope. If I'm town, you give me enough to climb out of this groupthink hole I've been put into. If I'm scum, you give me enough to hang myself. Just do me a favor and make a case on me being scum, so that I can respond, rather than just sit here and wait for all the people who aren't reading the game to lynch me.

I think I see what marquis is saying

When I'm scum and under pressure, I feel compelled to prove I'm town, which detracts from actually playing town

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Prodge

No motivation to look at even two pages rn Oh well

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VOTE: Dram

wait I was already voting this I think? Fuck I'm tired sorry guys. w/e

This is a strange thing to have an appeasing tone over

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Podo you're responding to my accusations with self meta and I have no clue what you're expecting from that.

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Flubber has been doing next to nothing all game
Podo has bad associations with flipped scum
Dram is still pushing TPP post-Dwlee flip for next to no reason

I get these.

I kinda have the impression that Flubber is still playing his cards super close to his chest which makes me feel like he has a plan or agenda of some sort. I'm not saying necessarily a scum one, just I get the feeling like he's up to something.

Speaking of which,

@Flubber
Seriously man do you guys talk in the neighborhood or not. Does it even exist.

I haven't said anything in the neighborhood. They're not really my thing

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Back to the wall, of the two I would probably pick Podo.

I guess I have lightish townreads on both of them so eh, though in terms of recent events I feel that Dram looks better then Podo. His assertion that Dwlee could have been bussing is fairly reasonable, while Podo's defense of himself rubs me the wrong way. I dunno it feels.. desperate? I'm not sure why I don't like it, but It doesn't feel natural.

It's not the self defense, it's the solicitation of points for him to argue at

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VOTE: podo l2

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How does the bodyguard role work that you've played in person?

They protect a player at night at no cost. They don't die in the place of their target. They just prevent the death.

This isn't how Bodyguard works here....

Shotty should target either Mala or myself tonight.

You're always around when there's something easy to answer

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And Flubber is in the scummy Tictac spot too, I totally forgot. With Podo's recent content I'd prefer a Flubber lynch over him now.

Podos "wahhh I'm town" should not be making him look good unless you need a convenient way to town read him

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So you're town reading him for the exact reason I said

That reason is still shit

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He's engaging people by soliciting points for him to take down one by one

So he's going wahhh I'm town

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Resetting my timer

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Podo I don't believe for a minute you left that"crumb" with the intent of scum picking it up

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%hats all ive caught up %o

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Resetting my timer

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I tracked cerb to tpp

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After all the pushing TPP Mirhawk did, pistachion?

There's been two

hard

busses in the game so far. And that's just after my arrival

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Considering all the wine in the bussing I could honestly see dram as scum

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I have no firsthand experience with nacho as scum, but to my knowledge he has a reputation for pushing nutty gambits. That probably requires orchestration. Traditional associatives aren't going to get us very far, but looking for coaching may be an effective tactic here

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Flub, pip, shotty, and myself are the most reasonable lyches for today.

is itlpip off the table because of his BG role? I could see it as a scum role considering dwlee's flip

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lol im dumb

All I remember about true ogre/talah is them looking really town. I don't remember any significant pushes there

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VOTE: dramonic

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Looking through true Ogre's iso my only real concern is that he was an early proponent of the FS wagon, which we saw scum played to their advantage.

My dramonic vote is from poe as of right now

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He didn't do much bussing, really? He laid out a case at L-1 and everyone just hopped on.

Do you think any other scum were on that wagon?

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He didn't do much bussing, really? He laid out a case at L-1 and everyone just hopped on.

Do you think any other scum were on that wagon?

Good question! Were you on that wagon?

Cute

If you're going to try to sort the bussing you should at least put the results to use

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You're not

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Mir why does a super "weak" sk make sense in a large when they're already extremely unlikely to win as is?

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its almost like flavor hunting is REALLY FUCKING STUPID

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Getting back to this

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I think I would probably prefer flubber. He was super cagey about his role and piper was hard defending tictac.

I'm not sure about the scum buddies claiming neighbors thing, but let's be 100 percent honest here. Not a single one of them has ever gone out of their way to discuss anything that was talked about in the hood. Except piper, and even then it was strictly for the purpose of defending tictac. They never talked about it again.

The only other two choices for me would be Shotty or dram.

From what I read the only stuff in the neighborhood of significance was reads, which should have been expressed in thread. From There, I never used the neighborhood

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Not quite the same logic I used, but yeah. Anyways, so, pool is pip/flub/mirhawk then? Flub/pip are the primary candidates for today.

(Scum bodyguard isn't unreasonable cuz they had some super high strength roles we've seen, ones well worth protecting from me.)

Like ive said before, bodyguard really makes sense with Dwlee's role.

My biggest issue is that itle seems that bodyguard is a really stupid thing to claim as scum because of all the "why aren't you dead" heat the claim brings

So VOTE: shotty for now

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I apologize for my activity. I'm between two jobs whose schedules really don't agree right now and had a voulenteer project mixed into it. I'm on my 5th 12+ hour day and I'm not used to handling the work. I'll see if I need to be replaced by Wednesday, but I'm going to try and catch up tomorrow.

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I just want my scum team to know that I play a poor scum game, but I really did have a schedule conflict at a bad time here. You guys put in a lot of effort and I never had the intent to waste that.

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Congratulations to town though

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And thanks for modding rob