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no, don't think this is trueIn post 16, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:hi friends!
for some reason I thought that mafia had to place at least one of each of themselves in each group. can someone confirm for me whether this is the case?
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Where did you get that impression?
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Actually I just realized if there's exactly 0 or 1 scum in group 1 and we nuke that group today, then we'd also lose immediately because scum get a nightkill on the first night, leaving the game at 2-2 on day 2In post 13, Morning Tweet wrote:I just realized while writing this that if we lynch group one, and there's zero scum in there, we lose the game immediately. ack!
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Everyone's votes are worth the sameIn post 51, dsjstr wrote:Group 1 has a majority of votes so they basically decide which group will get lynched
If the scum chose 1/1/1 with the intent of lynching group 1 for the win today, I think putting one scum in group 1 to "sandbag" that group and make that group seem scummier would be the best way to do it.In post 51, dsjstr wrote:They get a shot at winning even if there is no member in group 1, if they were hoping that we would lynch group 1 why would they hang one of their men?
Scumvibes from dsjstasefsfr's entrance, primarily from 49 though I'm having a hard time formulating it into words
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What's wrong with that?
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If you thought Mohab or dsjstr were scummy, would you want to lynch your group then? I don't get your insistence on not wanting to lynch yourself.In post 90, enomis wrote:I have no other play. I can't lynch group 1. I don't want to lynch myself. So I can only find from group 2. Quite demotivated tbh. This isn't what i expected when i came into this game.In post 84, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:Shouldn't you be more concerned with lynching scum than being alive on day 2
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True but there wasn't a whole lot else going on in thread tbfIn post 95, Hoctac wrote:Mohab entered saying we shouldn't talk about partitions because what's the point, but then discusses them anyway and emphasises how there can definitely be 3 scum in group 1.
I see. I liked how he was thinking about how to play the setup, which seemed natural. and he did end up saying to not lynch group 1 todayHe says it's too "risky" to lynch in group 1 and talks about how we shouldn't do it just because, unless we find "at least 1 scum in there worth lynching" - which is a very easy thing to do in 8 players. He's setting himself up later to vote group 1 while being reasonable and fair about it early.
Also, the self-vote is weird.
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In post 86, dsjstr wrote:I was also thinking of voting for group 3 tbh
Group 1 is too risky and if there is 1 member in group 2 then even without reads it would be a 50/50 we get them the next day.
Sounds like 86 was made with the assumption that the partition was 1/1/1. I don't think we should be voting based on assumptions about the partitionIn post 97, dsjstr wrote:If they went 1-1-1 which would just be a mistake for the mafia then there would be 2 members alive D2 no matter which group we choose. Since there are only two members in group 2 that leaves two suspects to choose from. The fact that no one elseIn post 87, Hoctac wrote:I don't get it, Doro. If there's 1 member in group 2 and we lynch it, there'll be 2 alive tomorrow.
sees going 1-1-1 as a bad move makes me think the mafia would have gone for it.
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I think your read is fair and shows some depth of thoughtIn post 104, Hoctac wrote:He ended up saying to not lynch group 1 unless we found 1 scum in there. Finding a town or two who look like scum in 8 players is very easy. Mafia wouldn't work if that wasn't the case every game. So, my fear is that he knows this and is eventually setting himself up to vote group 1 in the future.In post 99, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:I see. I liked how he was thinking about how to play the setup, which seemed natural. and he did end up saying to not lynch group 1 today
Secondly, it doesn't consider the possibility of there being 1 scum in group 1 who acts like a "jester" of sorts.
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Why do you think scum wouldn't put 1 scum in group 1?
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What was this conversation about?In post 130, Hoctac wrote:Yep, that's what I thought you were getting at lolIn post 122, Ame wrote:Group 1. One of these things is not like the others.In post 118, Hoctac wrote:I know it's about the groups. I can only think of 1 thing.
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This isn't the exact same setup. there aren't any roles in this gameIn post 137, Adorable wrote:On the vote count there was a message on day 1 saying groups have changed and vote count got reset. A scum player got switched to another group and the group that got lynched on day 1 were all town.I wonder if the same thing is going to happen here.
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Why group 3 over group 2?In post 138, Mohab500 wrote:Ultimately, none of that really matters because I have a strong suspicion there is scum in group 3, so if you feel like I am scummy, all the better.
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Can you rephrase this? I don't understand why there wouldn't be 1 scum in {you, Albert}In post 182, clidd wrote:The first is less likely, as it proposes a slow game and would involve Scum!Albert involved, something that I find a little inconsistent considering that the appropriate form of distribution would be to place players who are vocally transparent in each of the groups, because at the same time as one scum is eliminated, players of relevance would also be, which also makes it evident that the composition {Clidd, Albert} is strongly antagonistic to this idea, which is why I imagine it to be unlikely.
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What were you referring to here?In post 134, dsjstr wrote:Think I saw someone slip but I'll have to get back to you on that one.In post 98, Hoctac wrote:Fair point, but see 81, Doro.
You find anyone scummy so far? I'm pretty sure clidd and Ame are conspiring in the other corner.
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Why do you think it isn't 2-1-0? actually fypov, 2-1-0 should be equally likely to 2-0-1 if you're town, right....In post 191, dsjstr wrote:Lets say worst case scenario there were 0 mafia in group 3. Then the setup would be limited to either 3-0-0, 2-1-0, or 1-2-0. I don't think that is the case and originally I was leaning towards group three because it would be the safest option now I think
there is mafia in the group.
VOTE: Group 3
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Which lines in 135 did you like?In post 200, Raya36 wrote:D&D is town for this. As I said earlier speculation of how scum are split can only get you so far. Scumhunting instead is town-oriented and I also like what they said as well.
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This kind of assumes that scum!Albert in group 2 would deliberately want to be lynched, no? Which is not how scum would be playing in his position imo. Scum in 1-1-1 would specifically want groups 1 > 3 > 2 to be lynched in that order.In post 208, clidd wrote: In the scenario (1) (1) (1), there would be a concern on the part of the mafia to distribute the "transparent" players (who are more easily townreads) among the three groups, so that regardless of the group that was lynched, the mafia would benefit, as these players would be lynched as well. Now, considering Scum!Albert in this situation, he would be acting in a scummy way to attract the lynch of his group, but that would only be beneficial if there were other relevant players in the same group, and the fact that only having both of us does not justify this risk. Especially since there are 4 players on the playerlist who have a slight paranoia about me. It seems to me much more a composition to attract a lynch in our group than a planning involving Scum!Albert.
Forget the specific partition for a second, I've noticed that you've basically explained away scum!Albert in every configuration and it doesn't make sense to me. For instance, in the case where the groups are 2-1-0, you say this configuration is too risky for scum in group 2 because group 3 players don't seem "weak verbally." The players in group 3 aren't any stronger/townier than the players in group 2. In fact, I would say the players in group 3 are probably the least known players in the list and have already been attracting a lot of scrutiny.
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nope I'm confused tooIn post 285, Morning Tweet wrote:am i supposed to know what hoctac and ame have been alluding to for 70% of the game and im missing it, or is everyone else also confused
Are you still scum on Hoctac, Ame?
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Lynching group 1 would instantly win scum the game"Scum in 1-1-1 would specifically want groups 1 > 3 > 2 to be lynched in that order."
Why ?
I guess the difference between groups 2 and 3 aren't
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big, but group 3 would mean eliminating an extra townie compared to group 2.I haven't played with him, but based on what I've seen so far, I think he's lynchbaity than the players in group 3 if that's what you mean. He has proposed that we lynch group 1 and at least two people are townreading him for it"Forget the specific partition for a second, I've noticed that you've basically explained away scum!Albert in every configuration and it doesn't make sense to me. For instance, in the case where the groups are 2-1-0, you say this configuration is too risky for scum in group 2 because group 3 players don't seem "weak verbally." The players in group 3 aren't any stronger/townier than the players in group 2. In fact, I would say the players in group 3 are probably the least known players in the list and have already been attracting a lot of scrutiny."
Do you consider Albert to be a verbally strong player ?
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oops I accidentally cut out the header but that was in response to clidd's 216
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hey I had the same thoughtIn post 219, Ame wrote:Why would he be? Hoctac is clearly not the same thing as Hectic. Are you dyslexic?
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Why?In post 240, Hoctac wrote:Doro is town btw
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How many scum do you think are in group 1 and why?In post 299, Adorable wrote:I start to wonder why did mafia put 8 players in group 1, 2 players in group 2, and 3 players in group 3. It takes 7 to hammer and there's no way group 1 will get hammered by the other groups for not having enough players. Mafia want to avoid getting lynched which will be more likely there is definitely scum in group 1.
VOTE: Group 1
Do you have any reads
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Just read her ISOIn post 341, Raya36 wrote:What makes you think Adorable is scum?In post 340, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:I think Adorable is scum
But I’m still not endorsing a lynch on group 1
It doesn’t have anything besides bad justification for voting group 1 (yes there’s almost certainly scum in group 1 but the real question is how many?) and an OMGUS on MT that was reachy and unjustified
I think she’d be doing a lot more as town
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The context for what I said was,In post 329, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Madness. You are scum.In post 292, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:Lynching group 1 would instantly win scum the game
“If scum put 1 scum into each group, then lynching group 1 would be an instant win for scum.”
Why is this a scummy thing to say?
You can’t instantly lose as town if all 3 scum are in group 1, no matter which group you lynchIn post 330, Albert B. Rampage wrote:all 3 scum are in group 1 and will fight tooth and nail to avoid instantly losing.
Conversely you can instantly lose as town if you lynch group 1 and the partitions are 1-1-1
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I don’t think you’re that hard to read nor do I think you’re lynchbait simply be being less activeIn post 350, Adorable wrote:I'm always a null read or I would be a scum lean since I'm not an active member. I get the feeling scum looked up my completed games and they put me on Group 1 and plan on lynching Group 2 or Group 3 on day 1 and on day 2 they would put me in a group that would get lynched. I also think whoever are scum in this game are trying way too hard to look towny and it is Group 1 who is getting town read alot.
This post looks like shade throwing and you didn't elaborate on why you didn't like my entrance and this is the kind of post I normally scum read when I don't see a player elaborate.In post 142, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:I don't like Adorable's entrance either
I think 2 scum are in Group 1 and that's why I'm voting there.
Your entrance pinged me because all you did was ask some questions about the setup and offered no other content. What little analysis you offered in your first posts didn’t make sense - you conjectured there would be 1 scum in each group based on the previous run of this game, but the partitions in the previous game were completely different. I don’t believe you would come up with such bad analysis as town.
Who are the two scum?
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Ngl I have a hard time believing you actually think thisIn post 350, Adorable wrote:I also think whoever are scum in this game are trying way too hard to look towny and it is Group 1 who is getting town read alot.
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I don't have two active scumreads on people in group 1. I think it's rash to vote there without having at least two strong scumreads in group 1 on the offchance scum did actually only put 1 scum in that group.In post 358, Adorable wrote:You also admitted you think there are 2 scum in Group 1 but you don't want to vote there. The two scum in Group 1 look like to me they are the ones who want to vote in Group 2 or Group 3. You are a player I have been leaning scum on. So you think I'm scum who wants to vote myself off on day 1? What kind of logic is this?
I'm entertaining the idea that scum put scum!you and only you into group 1, and that's why you want to vote yourself. Who is your other scumread?
Why are you still leaning scum on me? Do you disagree with my analysis on your entrance posts?
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I answered this in response to AdorableIn post 364, Raya36 wrote:Do you have any particular thoughts on their opening post?
What's your read on them?
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Why what? Why don’t I townread you?
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You and raya are my “not townreading” groupIn post 479, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:you seem to only be scumreading Adorable in 365, so what's changed since then that you have two more scumreads now? and also, how does that impact your theory about scum putting only scum!adorable in group 1?
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No? Scum would want to get group 1 lynched in that case, and you would be deliberately playing scummy. Why would you think the opposite...?In post 481, Adorable wrote:If you think it is 1/1/1 and think I'm the only scum in Group 1, then this would mean my scum buddies who put only me in Group 1 would expect me to do some power wolfing taking control of the game
As it is, you’re pretty scummy. I’m not sure if you’re deliberately playing scummy though.
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Adorable, you’ve also never responded to 354
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Err I meant the post hoc just quoted lol
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Do you guys think you’ve done enough to be townread or nahIn post 434, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:Why do you have us as town?In post 428, Mohab500 wrote:
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Why is adorable town for not being aware of the setup but not me?In post 459, Raya36 wrote:Adorable seems like obvious lynchbait to me and their first post suggests they aren't aware of the set-up which scum would be. That could be a fake "slip" of course but based on the rest of their play I just don't think they would do that.
This feels like a very contrived reason to townread Adorable.
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What are your reads on people outside of group 3? Can you do one of those colored in reads lists?In post 512, dsjstr wrote:Although my reads say otherwise
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Why do you keep dodging hoc’s question?In post 565, Adorable wrote:You are crazy! Ame put us at L-1, you hammered and unvoting doesn't count.
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I doubt kanna, raya and d&d is the exact scumteamIn post 584, Morning Tweet wrote:Guys be honest. am i hopeless at scumhunting? Actually i figured it out myself. Yes.
Basically i took my previous townleans, and threw on the new ones, and here we are. I can reread and fix it as long as we arent terminating group #1 right now. Are you guys considering ending group #1 right now, or are we waiting
I’m not ready to end it
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This game makes no sense. Where is the opposition to lynching group 1 from people inside group 1? Like why am I the only person opposing this
If there’s 2+ scum in group 1, then scum would be in {hoc, mt, raya}. My read would be wrong on one of {hoc, mt} which would be surprising since they’re both pretty town.
If there’s 2+ scum in group 1, then scum would be in {hoc, mt, raya}. My read would be wrong on one of {hoc, mt} which would be surprising since they’re both pretty town.
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