Open 781: JK9++ Game Over!

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First post, chuckle clucks.

Look at me now.

VOTE: something smart

Pedit:

No!!!!!!! You
are evil!!!

VOTE: menalque

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VOTE: Datisi

btw i am a cop

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VOTE: Datisi

btw i am a cop

Gobbles do u doubt my genuineness.

Iiii do

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i'll be back later, i gotta pretend to do my job now

The daily struggle

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I wonder if skitter and firebringer are scum together

No, i am teamed with u

I’m ignoring my role PM and playing blind, I haven’t even looked in the private forums of the site in weeks

Guess we’ll just have to bus each other

Also, hi chem!

That’s against da roolz!

VOTE: Datisi

btw i am a cop

Gobbles do u doubt my genuineness.

Iiii do

What have i done to deserve this lack of confidence in my truthfulness and honesty over the years.

Cops don’t exist silly

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Cops don’t exist silly

Yes they do, don't tell me u also don't believe in unicorns.

I believe in the tooth fairy

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My name is Iñigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die

So we meet again inigo

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Gobbles! U killed his father!?!?!?

Inigo’s father puts drugs in people’s wine. I barely escaped with my life

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Who passes up free wine

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skitter30 — town until proven otherwise is the standard approach, and it’s a good one

clearly haven't seen her scum game

Yeah wat da cluck mena, that’s literally the opposite of how you should treat skitter lmao

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Mena/skitter/Mariar

Pack it up folks, it’s five o clock somewhere
Time for happy hour!

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Mine!!

Pedit:

Nooooooo!!!!!!!!

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Good thing I’m the SK so I can kill those people who have stolen what is rightfully mine

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I think the turkey might be scum, datisi might be scum, Lilith might be scum, and bingle might be scum

Choose in those 4 names

This game is like gonna be repeat of Furret adventure day 1 (Rip MariaR)

VOTE: Bingle

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Bingle did you really believe Mariar didnt know how the setup worked?

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Did you really believe that was a response to Maria instead of an excuse to tell people the important knowledge to have about the setup?

Yes, why else quote MariaR?

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You get those anyway

VOTE: bingle

Oh snap. Scumgle is in this game.

VOTE: Scumgle

I think the turkey might be scum, datisi might be scum, Lilith might be scum, and bingle might be scum

Choose in those 4 names

This game is like gonna be repeat of Furret adventure day 1 (Rip MariaR)

VOTE: Bingle

It’s ok Mitch! We just want to peck your eyes out

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I don’t think Bingle’s mech talk is beneficial to town at all actually.

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Theoretically we should actually all crumb a person we are hiding behind at the end of the day to obscure any real hiders in plain sight.

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Theoretically we should actually all crumb a person we are hiding behind at the end of the day to obscure any real hiders in plain sight.

High risk, low reward.

Scum immediately knows any player who 'hid behind scum' is not the hider and hider results aren't 100% with JK/busdriver in the potential mix. That also provides a pretty decent road map to choose optimal nightkills.

Would the results be 100% anyway even without this strategy?
Hides behind non scum still obfuscate the real hider and I fail to see how confirming the existence of a hider is any better than this?

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I think Ppay have met his match

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Cause this is exactly the type of posting that cheeky scumfuck fire does. Contrast to Dats where I don't think blatant self meta and wifom is a strat she'd default to as scum in 90% of situations (particularly if she's nervous about playing in a stacked lobby, which rings true to me), being blatantly useless IS something fire does as scum to blend in and get ignored.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

Proof.

That iso has a different tone than this game I think. Fire hasn’t fakeclaimed a scum role so he’s probably town

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Good choice for counter wagon Menalque. Bingle still scum

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Good choice for counter wagon Menalque. Bingle still scum

Hmm? Why do you think bingle is scum btw?

I don’t like the idea of commuters claiming to confirm the hider exists.
I also think that Bingle scumreading FB but not voting FB is suss. Especially when he’s voting your lolwagon.

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Datisi you wrongly scumread mena last game we all played. Is this the same thing

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I don’t like the idea of commuters claiming to confirm the hider exists.
I also think that Bingle scumreading FB but not voting FB is suss. Especially when he’s voting your lolwagon.

:eyebrow:

I'd expect you of all people to remember that I never argue theory I don't think is protown, regardless of my alignment. It's kind of my whole gimmick.

I also hard disagree with characterizing Mena's wagon as a lolwagon, and am in fact scumreading Mena. I assumed that was obvious when I voted him in a reads post.

I don’t really get your read on him though.

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We could kill MariaR. I’m pretty sure she’s scum

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I want gobble to explain like, anything. His reads feel entirely made up on the spot/meaning to take advantage of the game state. It's a light read that will probably change when he gives me the sit down, but until then I will call him scum. This game had a lot more filler than I was expecting, making it a bit harder to get into it.

I'm tired of carrying, I get to be carried now

I am the backpack now

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I want gobble to explain like, anything. His reads feel entirely made up on the spot/meaning to take advantage of the game state. It's a light read that will probably change when he gives me the sit down, but until then I will call him scum. This game had a lot more filler than I was expecting, making it a bit harder to get into it.

I'm tired of carrying, I get to be carried now

I am the backpack now

Aka you're not gonna do it because they are made up. Got it~

My Bingle scumread is very real. I don’t remember him being this clued in on day 1 in a game in forever and I think that’s be ca use he feels the need to be clued in so that he can guide the game the way he wants.

TL;dr Bingle is trying and I think that scum indicative

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page 21 is mariar scum

dang girl why you always scum

VOTE: MariaR

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I’m here to be carried
Skitter will Carry me

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MariaR is scum for her page 21 shenanigans. She’s not acting as a proactive town. Everything on that page was reactive and not scumhunting imo

That said, I don’t want her to die day 1 as scum. I’m tired of that

VOTE: Bingle

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Lilith gets it. I don’t think town!Bingle scumreads Menalque for what Bingle is scumreading Menalque for right now.

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i still think penguin might be scum since he literally comes to this thread just to badmouth me but i know i’m gonna be an asshole if i post my response so i deleted my post.

Potentially!

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i think probably my biggest issue with bingle’s iso is that he’s using mena’s jokeposts as part of his reasoning for a serious scumread on mena when i think those posts can’t really be included in terms of content because the content was not real content.

Erm?

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i think probably my biggest issue with bingle’s iso is that he’s using mena’s jokeposts as part of his reasoning for a serious scumread on mena when i think those posts can’t really be included in terms of content because the content was not real content.

Erm?

I didn’t say that that was towny?

I’m befuddled. I didn’t say you said something was towny

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Lilith gets it. I don’t think town!Bingle scumreads Menalque for what Bingle is scumreading Menalque for right now.

@gobbles then what does this post mean?

I interpreted your post as scumreading Bingle for including Menalque’s Joke posts in a Real scum case against Menalque. I was agreeing with you by saying I don’t think town!Bingle makes a case like that.

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My gut.

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oh i'd love to hear more about this

Me2

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VOTE: Gobble

L-1

Mariar you shouldn't threaten me with a good time

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VOTE: gobble

Why?

VOTE: gobble

Qu'est-ce que c'est!? Pourquoi?

people have a read on gobbles here. I am shocked.

I am shocked they are not town reads!! Do you think we need to call their doctors?

L-2

Monsieur.... oh mon dieu.

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guys i'm not vibing this wagon and i don't get it

ngl, the speed is very unnerving. I'm not sure who would be scum hopping on though, and I definitely still want to hear gobbles talk about why me doing literally the only thing he's seen town me do consistently for months is somehow scum indicative.

I can't remember town!you casing someone as earlier as you did with Menalque in this game. We are now under the British legal system so this means you must prove the defense of yourself. You may now commence.

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I had a whole Opa! post prepared for the self hammer. For shame. The feeling has now passed.

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Maria's case:

yeah that's why i voted mariar in the first place

gobble did you respond to jingle's case against you?

I did.

guys i'm not vibing this wagon and i don't get it

ngl, the speed is very unnerving. I'm not sure who would be scum hopping on though, and I definitely still want to hear gobbles talk about why me doing literally the only thing he's seen town me do consistently for months is somehow scum indicative.

I can't remember town!you casing someone as early as you did with Menalque in this game.

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Honestly, though.

I am starting to get the impression that my usual day one methods may not work this game. Don't get too hyped up.

What are your usual Day 1 methods?

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I think Bingle is scumreading me because he has never seen scum!Turkey.

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Dw Mena if it makes you feel better there's about a list of 5 players that scare me/know how to read me. Just do your best and don't have your 'want me to be town' blind ya. As for Blake, I think I can read her if she plays the game more actively but I haven't played with half hearted Blake before so its hard.

This entrance is somewhat similar to my play in the first half of TM2020's large. The only significant difference is that I'm not trying to force anything.

I'm also having real life problems currently, so I'm not looking to hyperengage right now. I'm still following along, roughly.

I did not like this preemptive self-meta from you, Blake. Why did you feel compelled to bring this up in response to MariaR's post?

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I think Bingle is scumreading me because he has never seen scum!Turkey.

I feel like I've modded or backup modded scum you before, but I can't remember individual games. I also need to go back through and fact check whether you've seen me gun hard for someone early, although I think the answer is yes.

I feel like the last few pages should be extremely telling of something, but for the life of me I can't actually say what that evidence points to, so I'm gonna nope out of the thread for a while to try and figure that out.

Please don't lynch anyone in the next 48 hours.

Burden successfully shifted!

MariaR, why is it scummy for me to not play like I did in Furret’s Adventure?

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Then I'll give ya a day or 2 then. You can go into the Blake/Bingle tier.
pedit: You don't need to play exactly like you did in another game. But if you really thought I was scum you would not be pushing me in the manner you're doing. Besides, I've only been lynched as scum day 1 once in life. My poor pride...

You and Dunn were lynched Day 1 as your hydra in Alisae v Titus.

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guys my soup tastes so goooooooodddddd

Oooh. What flavor?

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But if you really thought I was scum you would not be pushing me in the manner you're doing.

What is your basis for saying this? Are you an ornithologist?

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In what world should I not find this scummy and weird?

Presumably if the one you’re experiencing now is similar to a game you’ve had with me as scum, but that’s not how I play as scum and we’ve never seen Town!Mariar v scum!Turkey

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ingle is town.

Why?

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High risk, low reward.

Seems like low risk high reward to me, having a hider die without crumbing or because scum caught the crumb and killed their target is huge, whereas scum knowing certain players aren't hiders, when they could be other PR's and scum don't even know if there IS a hider, is not that bad.

Did Bingle ever respond to this?

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VOTE: Something_Smart

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Menalque, you are serious about your vote on me? Why?

Skitter, why are you voting Chemist?

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VOTE: Skitter

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I wanted you to carry me skitter!! How could you do this to me

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Menalque, you are serious about your vote on me?

yis

Why?

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SS do you think skitter is scum?

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Menalque, you are serious about your vote on me?

yis

Why?

The Representative from France has the floor!

do you think i'm town?

pedit: @mena but gobble can also answer if he wants

Yes. I haven’t really played with you, but you and Mena seem to be playing like Day 1 Furret so I think you’re both town.

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I still don't see why people got off the gobble wagon other than the fact of 'oh no we got them to L-1' and if that is the case why vote in the first place?

Sorry I say 'L-1' because people thought it was L-1 when it was L-2.

Probably because the reasons for voting me were either nonsensical meta reads without any basis or “ooo! shiny wagon”

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who was the unvote there, by the way?

Hmm?

I was never at L-1. You miscounted and announced me as L-2 when when I was L-3. MariaR followed up your L-2 post with her vote and thought it was L-1. PP was the first to unvote me.

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I don’t like skitter randomly going after chemist. It reads to me like she’s trying to get away from the SS interaction she had by creating new talking points on an easy slot to go after

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More like i dont know where scum is so i can start sorting other people

Yeah but why start with chemist? He seems like the easiest vote to make because he is lurking and I feel like you don’t make easy votes as town

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I don’t like skitter randomly going after chemist. It reads to me like she’s trying to get away from the SS interaction she had by creating new talking points on an easy slot to go after

Is that a thing town wouldn't do? If she thinks she got tunneled or sidetracked then she'd want to try to branch out and talk about something else, no?

She doesn’t think she’s wrong about her scumread on you though

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More like i dont know where scum is so i can start sorting other people

Yeah but why start with chemist? He seems like the easiest vote to make because he is lurking and I feel like you don’t make easy votes as town

Cuz idk where scum is and i didnt want to not be voting so i voted him as a pressure vote

I know why you voted him, that’s another part of the problem. Publicly calling it a pressure vote defeats the point of it

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I know why you voted him, that’s another part of the problem. Publicly calling it a pressure vote defeats the point of it

... i was asked to explain
I didnt start by explaining

Ok, why not just call it a vote for lurking or no content?

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I know why you voted him, that’s another part of the problem. Publicly calling it a pressure vote defeats the point of it

... i was asked to explain
I didnt start by explaining

Ok, why not just call it a vote for lurking or no content?

I dont understand the question, sorry

Your response to me saying I have a problem that you publicly called your vote on chemist is that you didn’t vote chemist and say it was to pressure chemist. Rather, you were later asked why you were voting chemist. At that point you said it was for pressure.

My question is why not say, when asked why you’re voting chemist, that you’re voting him for lurking or not having any content?

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I apologise for the reticence but I don't think it benefits town for me to be totally honest about how I'm reading (or, if not honest, maybe transparent) people until it comes time to out those reads and I feel more confident in some of them.

If you got a townread on me
You have a friend me

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She doesn’t think she’s wrong about her scumread on you though

But she can still admit that she was getting tunneled.

I’m confused by your use of tunneled. You are using as skitter self realizes she is tunneling right? I did not read it that way at first

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isn't that what a pressure vote is?

No.
Why announce the pressure vote as a pressure vote at all if you want it to have pressure?

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it's not like i waltzed in and was like
vote: chemist
this is a pressure vote !!!!

later somebody asked me to explain it and they said that town!chemist doesn't respond super well to pressure that way so i unvoted

i'm not sure what you're asking/expecting of me here

Ok. So you think a vote itself has basic pressure value, even if it’s announced as a pressure vote?

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gobble i unvoted just about the time i said it was a pressure vote
i didn't say it was a pressure vote when i voted

But you didn’t vote when announcing it as pressure, your unvote came later. Which means you think that a vote has inherent pressure, right?

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Gobbles, where are you trying to go with this questioning? What purpose does it serve/how is it helping you sort skitter?

I want to understand her opinion on pressure votes. I don’t think votes have inherent pressure. I think votes only have pressure if they have basis.

Pedit:
I disagree

Why not use your vote in the mean time to pressure someone else other than Chemist?

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because i didn't know where else to vote so i just voted there while i try to sort it out
i posted my reads at just about the same time and if you notice i said i didn't have scumreads really on anyone other than ss and i wanted to take a step back there

Ok why not vote any of the other names that have no read next to them on your list?

i feel like you're treating this as a permanent / intent-to-wagon vote when that's not what it was, and i feel like i've been clear as to just what kind of vote it was

I mean isn’t it a little? You said to Menalque you were going to vote there again if he doesn’t give you/Menalque what you want. Plus you also quoted his YouTube trash thing with a similar type comment.

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why is it so important if it was a pressure vote or not?

It helps me understand skitter’s point of view on Chemist

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You should make your readlist whatever construction you think best conveys the information you wish to convey

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Menalque what’s your lean on Datisi right now

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Ok... do you think Datisi is being passive right now

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Ok... do you think Datisi is being passive right now

yeah and it's lowkey townie i think

Orly

Why is it townie to you?

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Datisi do you think Menalque is scumreading you?

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i'm so tired and i didn't even want to post but i saw you ask me something and i'm assuming you saw me post elsewhere and i knew if i didn't post there was gonna be "datisi is lur

VOTE: datisi

This feels off

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i don't know and i really don't feel like expending what little brain energy i have into figuring that part out if his ReAdSlIsT is gonna clear that up for me

So you think Menalque is town then

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do you think i'm town?

pedit: @mena but gobble can also answer if he wants

Yes. I haven’t really played with you, but you and Mena seem to be playing like Day 1 Furret so I think you’re both town.

pray tell

pedit: i literally said like a few posts ago what my read on menalque is

you think scum!Menalque would be up your butt about activity?

And you no longer feel like your half of the Mena v Dats from Furretv2

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also literally how do you come to that conclusion from that post

I didn’t
It was a trap question to see if you corrected the mistake. (Now that’s a trap question MariaR ) I have you as havin null on Menalque but the post I voted you for seemed as if you felt you were dealing with town!Menalque who wouldn’t let things go

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Holy Beetlejuice batman!

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i mean i don't even feel SS is scumhunting here guys.

...and?

Like that’s not scummy?

VOTE: SS

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i agree both PP and gobbles are flying under radar. Not so sure about lilith.

How the literal cluck can you classify me as flying under the radar

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That's legit L-1 time to claim gobble.

See if you can find my crumbs!
And no I’m not.

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I am PR though. I thought I’ve been pretty clear with my crumbs.

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u feel like u lack presence my bird dude.

I have the 4th most posts in the game dude.

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We have now entered the inquisition

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The reasons for voting me are... literally the dumbest reasons I have ever read.

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First things first, every single person who has voted my wagon needs to substantiate their reason for voting me. The list of people who need to substantiate why they voted me:
- Bingle
- Datisi
- Menalque
- MariaR
- Pink Ball
- Firebringer
- PenguinPower

Oh wow. Would you look at that. HALF THE GAME HAS VOTED ME AS A SERIOUS WAGON. I WONDER IF THAT MEANS ANYTHING.

I will not take clucking awful meta reads as reasons to vote for me. Oh wait... I guess that does away with all the reasons for voting me.



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His presence has generally been very weak, and he really reminds me here of how he approached his Team Mafia game. He's good enough as scum to fake it to an extent, but not to be excited.

You didn't clearly didn't read Whiteflag.

pureboi, Blake, firebringer, S_S, I would encourage some combination of you to help vote gobbles up to L-1 so we can get a claim, if you agree with my analysis

if not, please clarify why you don't

This is incredibly scummy by the way. Would you have lynched had I not claimed PR?

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About the only read I agree with you on is the Lilith read. I thought it was odd that she felt the need to say that she was busy and wouldn't be back for a while after popping to ask me a question.

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for reference:

scum!pinguino that I think feels similar to here https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

town!pinguino who I think doesn't https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

You're not naïve enough

like MariaR, FB, and GG

to base a meta read on someone off one game, are you?

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The only role I would ever unvote for is vig and that's assuming we can leash it. Otherwise, I don't think there's a single role in this setup I'd unvote for.

I would never allowed myself to be leashed by a town that blitz wagoned me within 72 hours of the game starting. Towns that do that don't deserve to have the benefit of leashed vigilantes. Sorry not sorry ~_~

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I am PR though. I thought I’ve been pretty clear with my crumbs.

I saw it for the record
I'm not actually townreading him on play but i didnt want to push cuz of the crumb i saw, that's why i protested his wagon

What has been scummy about my play?

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Wait you guys agree that gobbles doesn't have the wim he usually has??

Why does this make me scum?
How do you go from "gobbles isn't acting like that one game" to "gobbles is scum!!"
If you had taken a single second to read what my scum game is you would know that this is not it.

Wait you guys agree that gobbles doesn't have the wim he usually has??

I've been voting him all game for that exact reason.

Same question for you. How do you immediately jump to me being scum when you have literally never played with scum!gobble?
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You're acting like you're an authority on scum!gobble when you are quite possibly the LEAST qualified person to be commenting on scum!gobble.

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The thought did cross my mind earlier that you were trying to be lowkey to avoid getting nk'd

This did motivate me to be more active today, but it did not motivate me in my questioning of you.
I tend to get nightkilled when I don't do much, it is an odd phenomenon.

Whose vote looks the worst on my wagon in your opinion?

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VOTE: MariaR

This dies today.

She tried to get me hammered on day 3 of a two week long Day 1, before Bingle could catch up, before Liliith could catchup, before Chemist posted really anything of substance. AFTER I claimed I was a PR.
Her vote has the weakest substance and her self defense for not scumhunting earlier is that she is a reactive player so it is "NAI" for her to be reactive and not proactive. Yet she's being super proactive now after I heavily crumbed.

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Also does no one at all find it out that Menalque's STRONGEST scumreads barely have ANYTHING written about him thinking that PP and I are feeling off?

Da cluck?

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People have given valid reasons to scumread him and he's just not doing anything about it.

This is literally such bs it isn't even fathomable. I'm sorry you drew scum again MariaR, but you should have just tried to nightkill me instead.
NO ONE ON MY WAGON HAS ACTUALL Y GIVEN A REASON TO VOTE ME.

Bingle has a weird ass meta case that makes no sense "GOBBLE WOULDN"T THINK THIS OMG GOOBLE WOULDN"T THINK THIS!!" When Bingle was in TWO games with me where people attacked me for this same exact dumb cluck reasoning (Menalque attacking my vote on Ginngie's RVS where I was right and Menalque was wrong and Bingle himself! attacking my vote on Pine in Ginggie mafia where I was right and Bingle was wrong).
Datisi is sheep??
Menalque is a terrible meta read where he thinks because he was my teammate in Team Mafia he has knowledge of my scum game. Hint: Mena checked the cluck out after getting guiltied by mastina and didn't do anything for my game
Firebringer for "you feel off!"
PenguinPower to match my wagon with Bingles
Pink Ball for "you feel off!"
Mariar for "you feel off!"

NONE OF THE "YOU FEEL OFF" PEOPLE HAVE ANY REAL INCLINATION OF WHAT MY SCUM GAME IS.

HINT: It is that Abusrd alisae hydra game where I POSTED 30 TIMES ON A 100 PAGE DAY 1 AND DIDN'T EVEN SUBMIT A NIGHT ACTION.

How *anyone* can thin kthat I am coasting, or flying under the radar, or whatever buzzword du jour they want to use is beyond me.

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You're just bringing up random points for the sake of making a case than genuinely believing them. You never brought up Lilith before this or Chemist.

How does this make any sense? Why would I bring them up on a case against you that involves you trying get me lynched at L-1 when you did not try to get me lynched at L-1 until just a few hours ago?? Are you even thinking when you write your posts or does your red pm make you nonsensical?

Should I just drop my scumread on you because you claimed something you can fake? My 'self denfese' was the page you called me scummy on was me answering questions. There was nothing to scumhunt. I

Yes, you should drop your scumread on me because I claimed PR and hinted at it heavily enough that at least one person figured it out. You did nothing with those questions or really try to interact with the people asking those questions. I called you out for being reactive and you said that was your playstyle, yet now you're being very active in trying to get a claimed PR lynched, so were you lying then or are you lying now?

[gobbledygook]

You not liking peoples reasons to scumread you doesn't take away from the fact they exist.

Ephemeral "feelings" are not valid reasons to lynch someone who is a claimed PR on day 3/14 on Day 1 of a game where PRs are very important to dealing with scum given how powerful scum PRs are.

So... yes...

[gobbledygook]

He's not even saying who the scum on his wagon are. Just calling everyone stupid. I don't see any reads just...it's really bad.

This is wrong. I voted you. I said you were scum.
I never called anyone stupid, those are your words not mine.

[gobbledygook]

I just find it amusing that multiple people have told you you're acting off and have questioned you on it. Where you directly give a cheeky answer that you're not gonna say anything. You get wagoned for this and then have the audacity to flip out when you reach L-1 and call peoples reasoning trash. Did you just not expect to be wagoned for this? Did you think you'd coast by? Do you think any of your posting has been remotely towny?

migraine alert

What answer did I give that was cheeky? And if you thought it was cheeky, does that not defeat Pink Ball and your points about the level of whim that I am playing with?
The audacity to call people's baseless reasoning for voting me trash... wow, I'm so audacious!
Yes, I think it has. I pushed someone. I pushed another person. I've been asking people questions.

what is it that you've been doing...? Oh yeah... tunneling me.

[gobbledygook]

I think you thought I was being serious about the self hammering at L-1 and I think you're surprised that I reacted the way I did.

[gobbledygook]

You know what.

MariaR is probably town. I don't think she tries to 1v1 me again. She's tried to get me lynched twice as scum and she's been unsuccessful both times, I don't think she tries a third time.

VOTE: Datisi

[gobbledygook]

I am also questioning why you're bringing them up! They're not involved in this what so ever and there's no way you had the genuine thought of. 'Oh Maria wanted me lynched at L-1 so these players couldn't catch up.' You're making this up on the spot.

How many times am I going to have to address people thinking I don't think these things? Like what? How does that even make sense as an assertion against someone?

First Menalque thinking that I wouldn't think that Ginngie's RVS vote was scumindicative. I did think that. I was right. Menalque was wrong.
Second Bingle thinking that I wouldn't think Pine's reaction to Mastina's third party claim was scumindiciative. I did think that. I was right. Bingle was wrong.
Now we have MariaR thinking I wouldn't think something I thought? Third time's the charm?

[gobbledygook]

I'll be quite sad if you are town gobble because the way you're acting if you're town is just...yikes

How is it yikes?

[gobbledygook]

^ Not a reason to unvote someone or a reason to townread you.

yes it and yes it is. If you know that certain roles can only exist in a game and someone softs it the point another player sees the soft, then yes it is.

[gobbledygook]

You're moving the field goal. That wasn't the reason you were calling me scum. You were calling me scum because i wasn't scumhunting on a page that didn't need it. I was answering questions. You're just adding along until you go.

Do you not know what scumhunting is? What I said is what scumhunting is. So... no...

[gobbledygook]

This isn't the only reason you're getting votes, but say even if it was. Yes, yes it can be. It is a reason you just don't like or want to admit to it being one.

You think... that a wagon that flashed this fast... is gonna be on scum...

[gobbledygook]

I actually do not have the energy to deal with this any further, but I do not want to replace out.

I am the serial killer. I am sorry if I offended mariar or anyone else. I will not be leashed, but I will only be shooting people I legitimately believe are scum.

[gobbledygook]

This isn't the only reason you're getting votes, but say even if it was. Yes, yes it can be. It is a reason you just don't like or want to admit to it being one.

You think... that a wagon that flashed this fast... is gonna be on scum...

I think your vote should be on this
VOTE: Skitter

Part of me agrees with you with how quickly Skitter came to Datisi's defense when I started to put pressure on Datisi.

[gobbledygook]

it is so odd how both times I've played setups like this I got the serial killer

[gobbledygook]

I’m curious which crumb skitter saw

[gobbledygook]

Three

[gobbledygook]

I am the serial killer.

Oh, cool. I was about to say that dismissing my case on you as bullshit meta when my case on you was actually THAT you were using bullshit meta was pretty gross. I guess I don't have to go reread those games to decide if your argument that you didn't think town me would case Mena was a salient one now.

Uhh
No you still have to do that. I could legitimately scumhunt and I legitimately was scumhunting you so please do go back and reread those games for the aforementioned reason

[gobbledygook]

I’m wondering why me being serial killer means Bingle thinks he doesn’t have to defend himself when he very much could still be group scum

Might be town indicative I guesd, idk

[gobbledygook]

oh hmmm

when I went to go check for crumbs in gobble’s ISO, I actually saw a crumb for something other than SK so I assumed that’s what skitter was referring to. you’re saying she saw the SK crumb? or are you saying she lied because she said she stayed off the wagon because she didn’t get it but really she stayed off because of the crumb? but you think she’s actually just scum, staying off the wagon? why would she stay off?

I did not crumb SK. Who does that lmao

What crumb did you see

[gobbledygook]

For the record, Lilith found one of my crumbs. Asking if people needed doctors was not a crumb (at least intentionally). It was more a comment that people needed their heads checked for scumreading me.

[gobbledygook]

Since we can unilaterally make him lose, he has to do what we say; even though he says he won't be leashed, if a majority agrees to leash him, he'll have to follow or be lynched.

As I said earlier, I will not be leashed but i will only kill people I am scumreading.

[gobbledygook]

I think Bingle saw my other crumbs but still remained on my wagon after even quoting them so I’m suss of him.

[gobbledygook]

^^ he's going to kill me because he doesn't know how to read me so can we please lynch the literal claimed scum thank you

You actually wouldn’t be my first kill. You’d be like my second or third one if I got to live that long.

[gobbledygook]

Let me know when you’re about to lynch me so I can give final reads

[gobbledygook]

You guys should still use this day as if I never outted.
Skitter, I’m not answering BP or Ninja question. Why does that matter?

[gobbledygook]

I don’t like the idea of commuters claiming to confirm the hider exists.
I also think that Bingle scumreading FB but not voting FB is suss. Especially when he’s voting your lolwagon.

:eyebrow:

I'd expect you of all people to remember that I never argue theory I don't think is protown, regardless of my alignment. It's kind of my whole gimmick.

I also hard disagree with characterizing Mena's wagon as a lolwagon, and am in fact scumreading Mena. I assumed that was obvious when I voted him in a reads post.

This was me claiming the Hider exists which was an ambiguous double crumb as to whether I was claiming hider or commuter.

[gobbledygook]

I townside whenever I am not scum but not town, for the record. I have two games to prove that.

[gobbledygook]

Why wouldn’t he take the guaranteed not group scum flip and just kill me here if he was group scum?

[gobbledygook]

This skitter reminds me of the skitter in Menalque’s favorite places and I think shes town

[gobbledygook]

I townside whenever I am not scum but not town, for the record. I have two games to prove that.

But you’re... the SK? You literally have the wincon of killing every single town player in the game and given that you’re outed helping scum is not the way to do that because it just means we get to killing you faster

Like let’s say we lynch scum today, vig one tonight and you kill the other one

What do you think happens tomorrow?

I mean the same thing I thought would happen when I claimed SK? Lol. Just because I have a wincondition that says everyone must die doesn’t mean I can’t townside with it. I’m not throwing my wincondition out the window in am against the rules sort of way like I would if I was scum. There’s a lot of gray area with 3P

[gobbledygook]

Like in the world where we mislynch every day and the turkey saves us by shooting 3 scum in a row — what does he think happens, we go “yeah, thanks turkey, we just won’t lynch you so that you can win bc you were so helpful to town” lmao

I mean that’s exactly the thing that happened in Mainstream Mafia II and also I’m Korina’s CK9++ where I caught all three scum and outted that info to the town, so... yeah....

[gobbledygook]

disclaimer, i’m still not really caught up but i’m still working so i can’t make catchup posts

Why did you feel the need to make this post Lilith?

[gobbledygook]

Right, but my point is that you claiming SK can be within wincon, but actually hard townsiding CANNOT be. That very, very literally conflicts with your wincon or “be the last bird standing

That’s not true. I can’t control the outcome of flips or vigs. In your scenario where we successfully kill every scum by day 2, I cannot divine the Lynch’s flip, or the vigilante’s flip, so me hard townsiding in that example is still perfectly within my win con. You’re ignoring the present misinformation well have, especially me, to justify saying future actions will be anti wincondition when that reality can only be shown AFTER the actions take place.

[gobbledygook]

You literally can't townside. Survivor can townside. SK can't win with town

I townsided in both MMII and Korina’s C9++ so I do not understand this post. If you mean in the literal sense, obviously. But I can tip the scales to the town, which is what I’ve always done as 3P.

[gobbledygook]

Blake what do you think of the wagons that brought me to L-2 and L-1 respectively?

[gobbledygook]

@Blake

VOTE COUNT 1.15

gobbledygook [5]:

Bingle [622], Datisi [651], PenguinPower [653], Menalque [665], MariaR [668]

[L-2]

Bingle [2]

: Firebringer [369], gobbledygook [552]

PenguinPower [2]

: Blake Belladonna [69], lilith2013 [103]

MariaR [1]:

skitter30 [476]

Not Voting [3]:

Something_Smart, Pink Ball, Chemist1422

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2020-06-19 09:30:00)

Game Notes:

skitter30 regular v/la Fridays and Saturdays
Something_Smart v/la until Monday

VOTE COUNT 1.24

gobbledygook [5]:

Bingle [622], Datisi [651], Menalque [665], MariaR [668], Pink Ball [1115] Firebringer

[L-1]

Something_Smart [3]

: skitter30 [1030], gobbledygook [1044], Firebringer [1124]

skitter30 [1]

: Blake Belladonna [805]

PenguinPower [1]

: lilith2013 [103]

Menalque [1]:

PenguinPower [1090]

Not Voting [2]:

Something_Smart, Chemist1422

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2020-06-19 09:30:00)

Game Notes:

skitter30 regular v/la Fridays and Saturdays

[gobbledygook]

Bingle spearheaded the first one, MariaR spearheaded the second

[gobbledygook]

Skitter, why did you ask about BP or Ninja, can just requotr if I missed the answer.
Gonna take a break from this game next couple of days. Please do not lynch me until I have given my final reads.

VOTE: Lilith

[gobbledygook]

UNVOTE:

[gobbledygook]

If someone is bus driven, I would be able to know. So...

[gobbledygook]

UNVOTE:

Also I think I may have been totally wrong on PP

I don't really want to lynch gobbles.

[gobbledygook]

I am curious to know MariaR's opinion on Lilith's reaction to pressure.
Back to lurking!

[gobbledygook]

Here is the compromise. I will give you my PoE pool, so that you can know who I am aiming at so it isn't surprising.

[gobbledygook]

You realise that this is basically my lynch list (minus myself) right?

Why does that matter?

[gobbledygook]

You realise that this is basically my lynch list (minus myself) right?

Why does that matter?

It is odd that he would lynch me when all the other people I want to lynch are the same people he wants to lynch

That has never stopped anyone from trying to kill me ever. So... no... you don’t get a pass for this.

[gobbledygook]

Menalque scared I'm gonna kill him

I am.

[gobbledygook]

I think Bingle saw my other crumbs but still remained on my wagon after even quoting them so I’m suss of him.

You were giving off mild commuter vibes, but I didn't look for any crumbs, no.

And he still pushed this.

So town. So town.

[gobbledygook]

i just don't wanna die lmao

Don’t be scum next time

[gobbledygook]

Does anyone know if PB would be likely to fake a townslip as scum?

I think the answer is no, but I've spent the last like 4 games we play together mislynching him so I don't really trust myself on that judgment call.

I kinda think he would I just don’t know if he has. He’s done it twice which has given me some doubts

Is this English

[gobbledygook]

Now is that a town slip for Pb and not just a Pb thing? He didn’t understand mechanics in the other mechanic games I played with him. Seems nai

[gobbledygook]

It’s riffing but datisi’s play leaves a lot to be desired. I’m townreading datisi but not because of their play.

[gobbledygook]

MariaR said she doesn’t understand the setup though

[gobbledygook]

If I’d rolled scum in my first game back I wouldn’t be trying this hard

But you try harder as scum...

[gobbledygook]

lol you guys are in for a treat. i'm making a spicy reads list. don't kill me before its posted

[gobbledygook]

then fypov at least one of these people is telling the truth about their thoughts on me.

Is it not possible that one person is wrong while the others are your scum buddies? It could make sense that the one townie who is wrong said something first and the others all used that justification to townread you publicly.

[gobbledygook]

Not likely but my point is that the inverse could be true. Well not the inverse, but a scumread.

Aka me

[gobbledygook]

i'm saying how likely is it that two scumbuddies jump on a townread of the third partner who's largely scumread except by one townie

It’s probably not likely that there’s two scum buddies doing it, but one could do it very easily.

——

How likely is it that scum jumped onto a townie incorrectly scumreading another townie?

[gobbledygook]

pretty likely, but i'm not at all convinced that the inverse is true

I am townreading Lilith for her reaction to my suspicion, for the most part. Her melodramatic and petulant “I guess I’ll never be honest again!” made me roll my eyes, but I townread it.

I think I have my scumreads. I’ll be posting a list later today

[gobbledygook]

Whatever gave you that idea skitter?

[gobbledygook]

mostly the fact that the game died
are you going to post your readslist?

Still writing it

[gobbledygook]

I’ll give you a taste

[gobbledygook]

VOTE: Firebringer

[gobbledygook]

VOTE: Firebringer

For the same reason I alluded to?

No, but I’ll read your reasons.

i think fire is town

Why?

[gobbledygook]

Why did you vote me?

[gobbledygook]

u kind of drifted of from game

That is not a statement that is grounded in reality.

Mod please prod Chemist

[gobbledygook]

I mean it isn’t lol

[gobbledygook]

My list will be posted later tonight

[gobbledygook]

That will come later tonight

Work + baby duty

[gobbledygook]

No, but I’ll read your reasons.

He opposed your lynch the first time on the basis of it's speed and the lack of case (along with a presumed townread from the way he was treating you). The only real change is that he feels that you're absent at a point that you were actively defending yourself, he thinks you're a vig, and he still puts you at L-1. I don't see a progression, and he's suddenly fine with the wagon he didn't like a day ago.

Or, more to the point, FB is the intersection of soft defending against the first wagon on you and being on the second wagon on you.

Spoiler:

why

Because flash wagons happen a lot and flash defenses do not happen a lot.

but there was literally no case on gobbles scum? the flash wagon didn't have a case attached. It was like everyone just jumped on for 0 reason. Why wouldn't anyone call that out as weird or ask people to explain

warmpuppy has my posts hidden.

yeah. But i don't see ur case as the reason anyone jumped on. It was pretty random flash wagon. And I don't think ur points against gobbles are good either

lol
I guess our reasons aren’t much different then. I was mainly focused on the fact that Fb is clinging to the narrative of me flying under the radar as the basis for his vote when that was certainly not the case.

Bajingle why you do this to me

[gobbledygook]

Why?

~mindmelding~

You mindmeld with fb on me?

[gobbledygook]

Gobbledygook looks like a copout lynch that scum are abusing. Who has been advocating for him to be the day one lynch?

Well 8/12 people who are not me have voted for me so... everyone.

[gobbledygook]

Still not ready to post my list
But, I just want to say that even though I’m SK most people pretty much stopped scumhunting today. This is evidenced by the fact that Since yesterday this game has been very stagnant. Scum are very content to let my lynch go through.

[gobbledygook]

gobble would you make a lolkill tonight?

How do you define a lolkill?

[gobbledygook]

How likely is it because of Menalque's absence?

Menalque posted on the site but not in this game during that time.

[gobbledygook]

gobble would you make a lolkill tonight?

How do you define a lolkill?

someone who is consensus townread or has the potential to be in the next day or so

I mean I wouldn’t kill you or Bingle. But I don’t even know how to evaluate a potentiality like the latter half of your definition implies, so my answer is maybe?

[gobbledygook]

I suppose I'm more asking how much influence Menalque has on the game.

Menalque was not really scumhunting after the SK claim, but he did pick it up a little and started pushing Lilith

[gobbledygook]

So your answer is yes, then.

I think everyone’s answer to that question is yes. Who doesn’t have the potential be unanimously townread? Seems like a terribly arbitrary definition.

At any rate, I can’t lolkill anyone because I can’t kill anyone. I’m not actually a serial killer. I claimed that so people get their Goodies and feel like they accomplished something with their terrible votes, while also allowing for people to scumhunt. Clearly no one wants to scumhunt which makes me suspicious of those people.

[gobbledygook]

Oh I thought you were asking about me killing someone.

[gobbledygook]

I’m not an SK, I’m a vanilla townie.

[gobbledygook]

gobbles you can't endgame now

?
Where is this coming from?

[gobbledygook]

Do you think that is me trying to make it to the end game as a serial killer? Are you saying just as either alignment possible?

[gobbledygook]

I think we were in before any endgame scenario comes in to play

[gobbledygook]

i think you're probably town but you're gonna be a big ball of wifom until you're resolved and are going to be scum's get-out-of-jail free card

Play the case if we don’t murder rise them the first three days at which point of the game still goes on with three Scott lynches I give you full discretion to lunch me

[gobbledygook]

Speech to text I claim no fault

[gobbledygook]

yeah i don't know what you were trying to say there

I don't think we really ever approach a LyLo scenario if my thinking of the gamestate is accurate that the scum were content with just letting me die.
What that post was trying to say, "I don't think we get to that point because we murderize the scum. But if we do get to a point with three scum lynches and the game is still ongoing, I give you full permission to kill me."

[gobbledygook]

I took a benadryll and its hitting me like a town of bricks so I will be posting the list tomorrow morning

[gobbledygook]

I'm waiting for him to confirm whether it was serious before I say anything about it.

Or do anything...?

Yes it was serious. I am a vt. I was dropping all sorts of crumbs with the hope a scum would catch one of them and kill me. Why would I not at least try to claim vig as SK if I was SK?
Also, it should be obvious by how fast my wagons formed and how no one has done anything since my claim that I’m not group scum.

[gobbledygook]

Scum is in {chem, ss, datisi, fb, Lilith}

Datisi is either town pr or group scum with how self pres he’s been
Annoying voting me is

incapbale of thought

liability to town and should be focus of prs or vigs

I think fb is just scum straight up. Trying to meme his way in with a fakeclaim of cop but didn’t realize there’s no cop unless he’s rolecop

Ss voting me is self preservation too

VOTE: Somethinf Smart

[gobbledygook]

Menalque do you ever stop to think about something outside of your confirmation bias? For having a philosopher as your name sake you are not showing much critical thinking

[gobbledygook]

BOP skitter. If she hasn’t lynched scum by D4 you kill her

[gobbledygook]

If you're sk why dont you just claim vig
If you're groupscum why dont you just claim literally anything else

Wow it’s like thinking is hard skitter. Good luck carrying this town but you probably don’t live past N2 at any rate

[gobbledygook]

I’m just gonna struggle to trust anything you say until I see a green role PM with your name on it, my dear turkey. If that happens, I promise I’ll serious listen to what you’re saying, but I’ll also tell you that your reaction to L-1 felt like it was bullshit until you claimed SK, and your posting then felt very honest up until when you claimed VT

Mena we could be masons and you’d be like “this mf a wolf y’all”

[gobbledygook]

Bingle could literally have access to my account and then still be like “the turkey is scum”

[gobbledygook]

If you're sk why dont you just claim vig
If you're groupscum why dont you just claim literally anything else

If you’re town why do you claim that you’re too frustrated and don’t have the energy to play and then claim SK?

To troll a town that is obviously terrible?
Look at Baker’s most recently completed large them. Read my iso. When towns are totally unwilling to work with me and tear me down at every chance for no reason when there are so many other scum bags just idling around it’s INFURIATING

[gobbledygook]

My good man i'm trying to prevent your lynch here

Save your breath, I’ll see you in the dead pt

[gobbledygook]

Just remember

9/12 slots voted for me this game

That’s totally scum guys!

[gobbledygook]

SS/FB my top picks for scum

Sheep this and you might have a chance

[gobbledygook]

Like there’s a reason I fakeclaimed SK and not just purposefully scumslipped like I did in Baker’s game. I’ve had ample opportunity to self hammer. If I wanted to die I would have done it. I wanted to troll you all since clearly none of you are trying to read. I did SK soecifically to see if people would gtfo me and try to find ground scum and only like three people did that. Skitter, Blake, Bingle, and mayyyne to an extent but it came really late, Menalque.