i have a solutionIn post 2354, Morning Tweet wrote:In post 2352, PlusJOYED wrote:it says im at 4 votes but theres only 3 names?Fixed.
VOTE: plusjoyed
i have a solutionIn post 2354, Morning Tweet wrote:In post 2352, PlusJOYED wrote:it says im at 4 votes but theres only 3 names?Fixed.
ah i'm not combative tonight mate. How are you? I've missed ya!In post 2358, Hectic wrote:The combat wizard has arrived. Everyone brace for impact.
If I don't see some emojis from you this game, I'm gonna be furious, BM.
In post 2284, duppin wrote:Is it bad that I still want to lim that slot?
yeah it's bad. it's lazy and scummy. also poor Saudade.In post 2286, NorwegianboyEE wrote:No.In post 2284, duppin wrote:Is it bad that I still want to lim that slot?
Glad to hear it
ah thanks mateIn post 2369, Hectic wrote:Tayl0r claimed Rolestopper, and Norwee claimed he was informed that there's a mafia doc in the setup 2min later. That's what we've got in terms of claims so far.
Why's duppin mayor of scum city?
ah sorry I meant Vanilla Townie, just to ensure there's no ambiguity.In post 2371, Hectic wrote:Virtualization Technology? Bit weird if I'm gonna be honest.
Gonna assume that's a BM thing and means nothing.
LOL, it's not quite that no, but it is about keywords, and wholly independent read. don't spill the beans anyway, i love that i can still catch scum with the simple things.In post 2374, Hectic wrote:Right... it better not be another choice of wording tell. Is this based on meta with duppin, or an independent read?
hmm....remind me what town role has knowledge of a mafia doctor, and what the point of that would be? seems a bit...random? dunno, jury's out for me until i read it i thinkIn post 2376, Hectic wrote:Yeah, I believe it. I don't think Norwee comes up with that in less than 2 min. It also makes Tayl0r look better, and not worse, which isn't exactly ideal for scum!Norwee who Tayl0r was scumreading iircIn post 2372, Battle Mage wrote:do you believe norweg's claim? my initial thought was "sounds like bs". i need to read it properly though
i find that hard to believe. you've made it nearly 100 pages, and all that has happened is 1.5 claims? and they were in the last 10 pages.In post 2380, Hectic wrote:I see lol
Well, hate to break it to you, but no one's sheeping you unless you provide some sort of reasons or case.
Pedit: Informed Townie. Why, I wouldn't know without seeing the whole setup and more claims which we can't rn obviously
i know i'm just messing hahaIn post 2384, Hectic wrote:Your claim doesn't help in the slightest and you know that lol. If it's actually a serious one, I need you to really explain the thought process behind that one.
erm, but it didn't achieve that did it? I mean, info is nice i guess, but that information didn't help make a definitive decision about Taylor. The default would have been trusting her claim, so unless Norweg was claiming to undermine her, I can't see the point. Although it read to me like he was initially trying to frame his "info" as a counter-claim of sorts, but it ended up being a bit bungled.In post 2387, Hectic wrote:The point of claiming is because it's directly relevant in working out whether Tayl0r's claim is legitimate. Scum are unlikely to have both a doc and a rolestopper, so it comes down to ascertaining whether Tayl0r is a mafia doc who's decided to claim rolestopper instead (arguably more sus as scum so bad idea), or is a town rolestopper.In post 2383, Battle Mage wrote:Ya, I'm struggling with this sequence:
Norweg: "Screw you taylor, you scum scum scum"
Taylor: "dude ffs, i'm the town rolestopper"
Norweg: "Ah ha! I have relevant knowledge which proves there is a mafia doctor, which is similar to your claim"
Norweg, a few posts later: "well, I guess my knowledge didn't really matter, I'm just gonna town-read you now".
Norweg spewing out an "informed townie" claim for basically no reason doesn't add up to me. It didn't seem like sharing that knowledge at that point served any benefit, and Norweg-town would probably keep his cards closer to his chest...maybe?
Like, what was the point of him claiming anything?
In contrast, I thought the way Taylor claimed was very believable as town. and presumably she'll be killed at some point anyway as a claimed town PR.
Pedit: I won't forget to ask
i think the way she claimed seemed pretty town, it isnt just about what the claim is. it's the manner and circumstances. plus flipping the first claimed PR, no bueno.In post 2392, Hectic wrote:It doesn't matter what town!Norwee thought it meant for Tayl0r in the instance that he claimed - he'd only had a minute or two to think about it after all - he came around to thinking she was town for it a few posts later is the important thing.
Default would definitely not be trusting Tayl0r's claim. If you run someone up and they claim PR, it just increases the chance they're scum, not decreases.
well im not gonna do big effort to change your mind i guess. i'm very confident he's scum, so happy to flip him if we can get a majority. we can get an easy one to begin with.In post 2393, Hectic wrote:I mean, he was pinging me a lot early on too, but I eventually figured his defensive choice of wording is an extension of his personality, and not alignment.In post 2389, Battle Mage wrote:Hectic man, did you read the duppin ISO? it's one of the scummiest ISO's I've ever seen, and I refuse to believe you can read it in good faith and not think he's scum.
This is a good post:In post 1905, UNOwen wrote:On ISO reread I still think duppin is town. I understand why the occasional text blocks that appear look like he is too concerned with explaining himself but I think that might just be his style, some of the arguments he makes are so meandering I don't know why he would bother with them as scum. The bugspray town read was not so lazily held as I thought it might be, he went back to bugs at least a couple of times which shows interest in actually solving. The Saudade vote continues to be a stain but I guess I can see why he would want to hold onto it when it was his major hook in the game and disappeared in a puff of smoke. Despite this focus, there is still an interest in the rest of the game throughout his posts and I can't detect any scum agenda.
erm, no. When I replace into slots that have a case against them, I will always engage with that case as best I can. I havent seen anyone actually make a case again him yet, and I didn't find his ISO scummy. It was mostly funny, and then a bit worrying towards the end, but not AI.In post 2400, Hectic wrote:Hm, I don't like this. Feels like you're suggesting we should absolve his scuminess because of OOG reasons.In post 2397, Battle Mage wrote:ah i hope saudade is ok. his ISO was a rollercoaster of emotions.
I was there for about 10 minutes when I just joined and hadn't read anything? It was essentially my little mini RVS.In post 2398, Noraa wrote:I dont like that you hop on the largest wagon with zero reason.In post 2356, Battle Mage wrote:i have a solutionIn post 2354, Morning Tweet wrote:In post 2352, PlusJOYED wrote:it says im at 4 votes but theres only 3 names?Fixed.
VOTE: plusjoyed
I mean, what do you want me to say here? I call it as I see it. My take is likely to be different to yours as I'm coming from an independent outside perspective, and haven't experienced the game in real time, and also havent read every single post. I'm not gonna get into arguments with you about every little thing - if you wanna do your bit that's fine.In post 2398, Noraa wrote:this is the shittiest SR list I've seen so far with two of the literal towniest damn players in it.
Well you got one. Is there anything you won't whinge and complain about?In post 2398, Noraa wrote:I dont want a free town pass. wtf.In post 2367, Battle Mage wrote:scum-city, from scummiest to least
duppin
shellyc
Mundivore
NorwegianboyEE
Hectic
neutral-ville no particular order
3. bugspray
4. PlusJOYED
6. davesaz
7. Tayl0r Swift
11. Redados
12. UNOwen
town-land
Noraa
Battle Mage
excellent. remind me after the game to give you a lesson on how "townblocking" works. It's basically when presumed town players work together and actually try and win.In post 2398, Noraa wrote:I hate this. VOTE: BMIn post 2370, Battle Mage wrote:did i claim yet? if not, i'm a VT
1. dude i hadnt read anything thenIn post 2398, Noraa wrote:1) u just voted plusIn post 2385, Battle Mage wrote:scum-city, from scummiest to least
duppin
shellyc
Mundivore
NorwegianboyEE
Hectic
neutral-ville no particular order
3. bugspray
6. davesaz
11. Redados
12. UNOwen
town-land
PlusJOYED
Tayl0r Swift
Noraa
Battle Mage
2) Taylor claimed a pr so ur just trying to be safe
I was fine with Saudade. Bm is not doing Saudade's slot any justice if Saudade was town but now I'm convinced BM is scum.
In post 2403, Noraa wrote:Uno compromise wagon on Saudade slot?
Hectic?
Norwee?
Redados?
Taylor?
Shelly?
@everyone?
are you just gonna spam me to death?In post 2404, Noraa wrote:we need to get a full on wagon together asap.
BM is looking like the best choice rn imo
hey yo i already claimed and gave my reads.In post 2405, shellyc wrote:In post 2331, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Probably just repeating at this point, but why couldn't it be TvT? You say energy/reaction/emotion but not every player is going to spend 10 pages arguing when it's clear that it will just spam and maybe not even change anyone's opinion much.In post 2317, shellyc wrote:I’m getting hardcore TvS vibes from joyed v Norway though
just the overall conflict isn’t really scum theatre and I think I don’t see the energy/reaction/emotion (idk how to put this) of a TvT fight reallyuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh what the fuck
pedit: saude is fine but meh it doesn’t give us info at all but I want the replacements claim and reads first
who is BM
lol man you have no objectivity at all. I don't scumread you for it. I justIn post 2406, Noraa wrote:He comes in votes the biggest wagon
buddies Taylor and tries to pocket me(we were both in his town reads with zero reason why)
then he jumps to the duppin wagon for zero reason. This also happens to be another major wagon rn.
He then starts TRing plus for ??? reasons
Then his SR is literally Hectic, Norwee, and Shelly
like wtf
two of the downiest players here and shelly, whose playstyle gets her killed day 1 just about everywhere
In post 2407, Noraa wrote:Bm is the Saudade replacement, shelly
there's like 2 days until deadline? wagonning me is completely pointlessIn post 2408, Noraa wrote:SAUDADE WAGON WHERE YOU AT?
Strictly speaking, I'm not sure we have any completed games together, and so I can't comment on any meta I could have on you. Suffice to say, I always use my full experience of a player to understand their alignment. The AtE here is no bueno.In post 2413, shellyc wrote:why is joyed town
also BM you have meta info on me and you know town!me is almost always limmed d1 or d2 and I hate that
do you think scum!me does so much solving and high efforts this so much
what is the need to push Jackson and Grendel
really? you'll see i guessIn post 2470, Tayl0r Swift wrote:hmmm i kinda felt good about BM until this postIn post 2469, Battle Mage wrote:In post 2407, Noraa wrote:Bm is the Saudade replacement, shellythere's like 2 days until deadline? wagonning me is completely pointlessIn post 2408, Noraa wrote:SAUDADE WAGON WHERE YOU AT?
i cant even remember, im pretty sure i thought the original slot was scummy, and hectic just repped into it. but hectic's interaction with me since i joined hasn't filled me with benevolent townie joy.In post 2414, shellyc wrote:BM/saude doesn’t ping that much but I get his reads are pretty against the consensus which is townie - trying to inject his reads into the game early
@BM elaborate on hectic/jester a bit will you?
shelly may get flipped day 1 a lot, but she is smart.In post 2415, shellyc wrote:cause Taylor is claimed rolestopper and because of [redacted]In post 2406, Noraa wrote:buddies Taylor and tries to pocket me(we were both in his town reads with zero reason why)
if you're leaning town on me can you sheep me onto somebody I am 95% sure is scum?In post 2416, shellyc wrote:likeIn post 2408, Noraa wrote:SAUDADE WAGON WHERE YOU AT?
ehhhhh I don’t think it gets us closer to solving the game in any way and I think BM is townlean
I’l take a look at mundivore, I like that wagon
joyed is also probscum
Talk to Hectic, he insisted I use them.In post 2475, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I'd only consider anything you say if you'd stop it with the laughing emojis.In post 2474, Battle Mage wrote:when I conftown can I actually get some order here, and some traction behind a duppin elim?
scum....lean??In post 2418, Noraa wrote:scum lean is what I feel
meme claimed? i had a reason for my claim. In this game...I suspect it'll be hard work even explaining that.In post 2419, shellyc wrote:can you elaborate
just because his reads aren’t vibing with yours
and because they meme claimed VT
doesn’t mean they’re scum
true dat.In post 2420, shellyc wrote:*teaching moment*
noraa there’s no need to SR everyone that doesn’t vibe with your reads and makes hot takes (that’s slightly town!AI tbh), mafia is a team game and town cohesion is important, sometimes you’re wrong and someone else is right
well I am definitely not afraid, that's for sure. except of Morning Tweet judging me if I somehow got limed Day 1In post 2425, shellyc wrote:I meanIn post 2406, Noraa wrote:He comes in votes the biggest wagon
buddies Taylor and tries to pocket me(we were both in his town reads with zero reason why)
then he jumps to the duppin wagon for zero reason. This also happens to be another major wagon rn.
He then starts TRing plus for ??? reasons
Then his SR is literally Hectic, Norwee, and Shelly
like wtf
two of the downiest players here and shelly, whose playstyle gets her killed day 1 just about everywhere
not everyone has to spell their thoughts out and not explaining yourself is pretty much NAI from my experiences
I know exactly why they TR you and town reading a claimed jailer is fine?
Norway may not be town, I feel like their SR on hectic and unafraidness to go against the grain reads light green
In post 613, duppin wrote:i believe he said he was from another site but yes i think it is fairly obvious it is an alt and most likely someone from MS, but i dont think that is a reason for me to be more open to the idea of selfvotingto be honest
In post 597, duppin wrote:In post 364, Redados wrote:I'm semi-upset that we're on page 15 and it feels like we just left RVS. Not cool.i have to admitthat i really dislike this post. also credited Shelly for finally moving the game out of rvs in 154, i can appreciate the fact that perhaps the game didn't move in the direction you wanted but yeah.
overall you come across as really careful to me which i find suspicious
In post 1020, duppin wrote:hmI am going to be honestNoraa, if you are town you are mislynch bait.
60% of your posts are fluff and the rest of your play is just reactionary which I'd normally consider to be a scumtell. You're not really doing anything proactive whatsoever, the readlist you just gave before gives the impression you're not really trying to figure out peoples alignment (like mixing me and bugspray up at this point is really weird to me). It doesnt really feel like youre putting in an effort to solve peoples alignment, however I am not convinced you are scum at all as this could indeed just come from a new player as well but yea if you are town then I sincerely hope you can be a bit more proactive
In post 1482, duppin wrote:your progression on me is really difficult to followIn post 1473, shellyc wrote: will tentatively jump on duppin wagon since after revisiting their ISO didn’t look very good. they’re a big null and I want to pressure themto be honest, but i will bite. Why do you think my ISO looks bad?
In post 1507, duppin wrote:no matter what your alignment is I really think you need to drop the role fishing angle because no one talked about roles until you brought it up the second time i asked you if you were going to follow up on your statement since you said you would do so. you were the first and only one to indirectly paint yourself as a role, i have not asked for your role at any point all I did was ask you if you were going to follow up on your claim saying that your confidence had nothing to do with your alignment which to me indicated that it had nothing to do with your role either, so i have no idea how you could reach the conclusion it could be rolefishing the second timeIn post 1504, shellyc wrote:jester + duppin role fishing scum?
I explicitly softed hard that I was an Informed Townie to find those ROLEFISHERS
in all honestness it’s just a play style choice. jesters right, im trying to be more assertive to push my reads harder and be more convincing as town?to be honest.
In post 1509, duppin wrote:oh you said it was a playstyle choice. if that is the case then I think this was a weird playto be honest
In post 2081, duppin wrote:honestly i wouldstill like to hear from mundivore and plus before hammering
yuck, keeping your options open to elim a town PR? grossIn post 2138, duppin wrote:tayl0r i just read your claim and while i am not entirely sure i believe it, it is definitely enough for me to not want to lim you. would you still like me to respond to your posts?
LAMISTIn post 2120, duppin wrote:i have no intention of quickhammering, ill respond to all of your posts as soon as possible probably in 30 min or so
In post 1710, duppin wrote:by the wayi genuinely thinkthe spam in this game has been a bit too much but perhaps thats just me, but keep in mind this is with 1 player being vl/a, 1 replacement and 1 slot still waiting to be replaced
In post 618, duppin wrote:I decided to go ISO Jester one more time.
I doactuallybelieve he is town. I absolutely hate his self voting and I hope he stops doing it, but I am not interested in creating unnecessary distractions by pushing a policy lynch apparently no one else agrees with when I believe the player is most likely town.
UNVOTE:
LOLIn post 2426, Noraa wrote:No its stupid. Taylor fucking claimed. Why is she even in his reads?
He gave no reason to TR me. ZERO.
dude, you ain't elimming me, this is just funnyIn post 2427, Noraa wrote:We need a lim asap and the new replacement is just not hitting right.
I suggest a BM lim.
It's put together a bit roughly on my part but I think its better than all the other choices for today
If I'm wrong, fuck
but I think this ones likely right
I agree. It's a concern that I can only see eye-to-eye with Shelly-scum. Although maybe I'm wrong and you're town, which would be very good news.In post 2429, shellyc wrote:we’re in real danger for a no lim though, I think noraa is just a town that had a bad read because of the effort to get a lim in
at this point I can place my vote anywhere reasonable to get something through
Please don't comment on ongoing games.In post 2430, Noraa wrote:No there is zero reason. Ongoing game? thats otherwise known as a SHIT reason bc he doesn't know my alignment there so my play there has absolutely nothing to do with anything.
out of respect for Saudade, I'd say stop referring to him as a player in the game. He isn't. You can refer to his "slot" though.In post 2431, Noraa wrote:Place your vote on Saudade
IIn post 2434, Noraa wrote:He already gave u a readlist and it was hot garbage with zero reasons to justify anything. Unlike plus, he is not plusy or LHF. His dang game age is older than anyone here. He can do better. And now I think that slots scum.
yep, with that frequency for sure. I can let a couple slide, but he's doing it post after post in one guise or another.In post 2487, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Duppin saying "to be honest" is a scumtell?
I've done what I'm doing today I think. We've got 2 days. I'm expecting some half-assed wagon on me, followed by panic as everyone wonders wtf to do, and probable no-elim, or some random compromise driven by scum. Me making loads of cases isn't gonna add value. All I can really do is try and push for a duppin-elim.In post 2432, shellyc wrote:can we not delve into that territory pleaseIn post 2430, Noraa wrote:No there is zero reason. Ongoing game? thats otherwise known as a SHIT reason bc he doesn't know my alignment there so my play there has absolutely nothing to do with anything.
I want to her a full readslist from the BM slot before I reconsider anything
i'm definitely not LHF lol.In post 2436, shellyc wrote:2007 join date can equal to LHF. being experienced doesn’t mean you are always hard to lim
noraaaaaaaaa do you think everyone needs to justify themselves. sometimes reads are just reads and they’re correct
Do you ever second guess yourself?In post 2437, Noraa wrote:No. absolutely not.In post 2436, shellyc wrote:2007 join date can equal to LHF. being experienced doesn’t mean you are always hard to lim
noraaaaaaaaa do you think everyone needs to justify themselves. sometimes reads are just reads and they’re correct
My reads weren't messy. I just repped into a 90+ page game, I gave some prompt and probably accurate reads. There was nothing confusing about it. I have justified my reads better than you have, and you've been here the entire duration of the game. I'm trying hard to resist the urge to coach you here, I will simply say you're wrong, and you should re-think. Although I'm certain you won't.In post 2439, Noraa wrote:Reads need to be justified. We are not in rvs any longer. Two prs have outed. Town is already at a disadvantage and ur just gonna let some scum stroll in and drop some messy reads to confuse town more?
this is correct.In post 2440, Noraa wrote:2007 join date does not equal LHF.
lets not have a pointless argument about why BM isn't LHF
its clear asf that he isn't
Statistically speaking, I very rarely get day-elimmed as either alignment. I'm the opposite of LHF I guess. This game is slightly different as there are players who I think harbour little grudges against me from other games, which is a shame. But at the end of the day, I can only play to my wincon and hope the town majority can join me.In post 2441, shellyc wrote:can you understand that LHF = low hanging fruit = elimination bait = a player that is generally miselimable as town
experience doesn’t not make you Sherlock Holmes
like the case on BM is “he doesn’t explain his reads” explaining reads is NAI?
noraaaaaaaaa why do you think not explaining is scum!AI. why do you think the reads actually come from scum? just because they are basically not vibing with yours doesn’t mean they come from scum
yeah and not to labour the point but, that's especially the case when repping into a slot which has lurker-heat. if you're town shelly, you're good town. I respect that.In post 2445, shellyc wrote:noraaaaaaaa whats your read on me then?
my gut literally screams town on BM
do you think scum goes against the consensus on multiple slots upon entrance they can just park on someone like norway
ah, so THIS is what we are dealing with....
well putIn post 2450, shellyc wrote:why is it not logical to point out inconsistencies in Norway’s logic? their point is that Norways claim didn’t prove anything and therefore it was a bad claim and it might come from scum trying to shade Taylor
flippin 'eckIn post 2452, Noraa wrote:I literally ended up dying later than u. shows how bad ur busses r. maybe u have failed bussing so much that u've decided to change it up. who knows?
number 2 made me groan....In post 2454, Noraa wrote:this logic is terrible. Norwees claim does prove things. 1) it gives us setup info that we would never get if norwee died day 1 or night 1, 2) it would've gotten some sort of scummy reaction out of Taylor if she was scumIn post 2450, shellyc wrote:why is it not logical to point out inconsistencies in Norway’s logic? their point is that Norways claim didn’t prove anything and therefore it was a bad claim and it might come from scum trying to shade Taylor
that's not really doing me a favour as I'm still flipping him. i've flipped scum with it a bunch of times, so it's fairly reliable. and no, that's just 1 example i bothered to illustrate.In post 2495, NorwegianboyEE wrote:So i did you a favour and checked out one of his scumgames vs towngames and the frequency of the word usage "honestly" - "to be honest" "honest"
So in one of his scumgames (open 644) the count was: 26
In two of his towngames. (Open 708 and Mini 1789) the count was: 13 and 10 respectively.
Open 644 was a rather long game where he endgamed as scum while 708 and mini 1789 he died somwhat early as town.
Just from this is can conclude that his usage of "honest" really isn't scum indicative.
Why do you consider this a scum tell anyway BM? Is that all you're basing the read of Duppin on?
I am 1000% not trying to pocket Noraa. That would be impossible. I don't even think it's achievable for a great player like me to get Noraa to consider there being a 1% chance I'm town.In post 2497, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Also Battle Mage, i don't really think you obvtown a lot. You just talk a bunch of shit, as either alignment.This meanwhile just looks like you're blatantly attempting to pocket Noraa.In post 2488, Battle Mage wrote:Maybe you should take heed, and defer to my wisdom and experience a bit. I am old and know many things.
I haven't verified your claimed meta on him, but the fact he uses it as either alignment proves nothing. it's the frequency and framing of it which should all be taken into account.In post 2499, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I just showed you he uses the word "honestly" regardless of alignment, it's just a word he likes to use.
That tell clearly isn't appropriate to use when reading him.