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[Tayl0r Swift]

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[Tayl0r Swift]

I can only assume that datisi’s lack of enthusiasm, as proven FACTUALLY by her not getting first post, is a result of her being scum, probably with iconeum

2 down 1 to go

not so fast. "2 down 1 to go"? are you slipping that you know there are 3 scum in this game? the only logical explanation for this is that you are scum yourself and therefore this is a shitpush

checkmate

this is particularly weak, and i'm not overwhelmingly impressed with the jokey, overly flamboyant openings from Menalque and Datisi. Odds of both being scum, slim. Odds of 1 being scum, pretty good based on past experience. VOTE: Datisi

Who wants to leave RVS early? Show of hands

After your little opening exchange with Datisi, I'm about ready to leave the game early. If only I hadn't claimed already...

I agree that its likely one is scum. The claiming early thing reads bad on ur part unless its a joke

Scr00 y00, don't tell me how to play, grr! And if you're gonna just piggyback off my reads, gimme some actual data to work with, rather than just agreeing with me.

idc if its a joke. its not a joke you should be making

With respect, you've said you have not completed a single game of mafia. Even if I completely suck ass, I don't need you telling me what I should or shouldn't be doing in this game. Dial down the preaching sister.

Found 2 scums 1 more to goooo ^^

who are the two?

it was a joke calm ur butt

is anything you've said so far serious? this jokey shit gets short shrift with me when it's prolific. Nothing worse than someone doing a bunch of scummy crap and excusing it with "I was only joking "

go away

[Tayl0r Swift]

So far BM's the scummiest person here. I see his SR on me as trying to set up some easy limbait since I hear I tend to give off that first impression. Ofc we are still technically kinda in rvs so this is a fairly weak read but ye I will be putting this here for future reference of what I was thinking 3 pages into the game. First impressions can often help town find the scums so I'm not too sure if I found one but we'll see

You are probably literally the only person who thinks I'm remotely scummy here. I'm pretty obvtown, even from my own perspective. Also, you are playing that RVS card way too hard, although can let that slide as you're a newbie.

However, I actually like the above post. Feels like a legit misguided attempt to get bragging rights. Some townie points for you (although no bragging rights, because, i'm not scum, and you tunnelling me is not helping town).

yes let me tell you how much you should have me as locktown on page 3

[Tayl0r Swift]

Post # 102 is a bit provocative. Unfortunately I dont get mad that easily so you won't be able to get a huge reaction out of me and SR me for it. I talk about myself in third person from time to time correct. The other part is kinda rude however scumhunter Noraa isn't bad at her job so u best watch out. Rn a wagon on u sounds like the best wagon

how would you know if scumhunter noraa is good at her job if shes never finished her job?

[Tayl0r Swift]

that's helpful, thanks Bob! she doesn't really think datisi is null, she's just too scared of him to continue pressing. Doesn't want a fight on two-fronts, which seems like sensible play for Noraa-scum, but nonsensical play for Noraa-town.

On a lighter note, Taylor Swift hasn't posted in the first 5 pages!?

taylor must be scum

[Tayl0r Swift]

+ nice points for Taylor

youre just giving me townpoints for agreeing with you, which im really not. thats a bad reason to give me townpoints. you and BM are in a shitfight over nothing. both of you are overconfident, neither has given a decent reason for your scumread on the other.

[Tayl0r Swift]

Hey Taylor, I’ve got a question, why aren’t you voting?

ha i knew someone would say this.

well. there were 7 pages of stuff. i didnt want to vote before reading them in case i lolhammered someone. now im gonna take a look and see where i want to vote

[Tayl0r Swift]

VOTE: shelly

i dont like that menal and datisi townread each other and then proceed to put themselves on opposing sides of what seems at this point to be a TvT shitfight.

[Tayl0r Swift]

Actually maybe Taylor should be a scumlean based on that vote

you want me to vote for BM or noraa? no. i think theyre both prolly town. there are no other wagons, its an rvs vote. once everyone has posted then maybe ill have a legit scumread.

[Tayl0r Swift]

i thought he was vaguely +town for the mindmeld about noraa

I would agree that if noraa is scum then he’s just arrogant, but I think he’s posting in a fairly agenda-y way (the push on noraa but also trying to leave room to pivot in my direction, advancing support for the opposite-neighbours thing but wanting to flip me first and only then icon)

from my limited experience with / knowledge of BM, i thought he was arrogant regardless of alignment

i'm not sure i see (scummy) agenda in his posts about noraa? also uhh, i kinda didn't take his read on you as serious

pedit: sighhh
taylor, (1) obligatory why vote shelly, (2) why do you dislike that?

well its just strange that out of the four people who had been active to that point, one pair townread each other, another pair scumread each other and crossvoted, and then the first pair hopped on opposing sides of the wagons. was odd. by the time i posted, menal corrected it.

i still think thats probably TvT though

[Tayl0r Swift]

VOTE: shelly

i dont like that menal and datisi townread each other and then proceed to put themselves on opposing sides of what seems at this point to be a TvT shitfight.

Like why are you voting someone who (1) hasn’t posted yet (2) voting somewhere totally unproductive when there is actually already content that you’ve made a *very ostentatious show of reading through* and (3) suggesting this TvT when it’s not really coming across that way to me and that seems like a very odd take for several pages of early aggression between two slots based on very little

sorry, you dont get to bully me into joining your preferred wagon. you think it isnt TvT, i disagree. until *I* see something scummy, im not gonna place a serious vote. considering that more than half the playerlist hasnt really posted and the four who have posted have been in a shitfight, i think thats reasonable.

[Tayl0r Swift]

VOTE: shelly

i dont like that menal and datisi townread each other and then proceed to put themselves on opposing sides of what seems at this point to be a TvT shitfight.

Like why are you voting someone who (1) hasn’t posted yet (2) voting somewhere totally unproductive when there is actually already content that you’ve made a *very ostentatious show of reading through* and (3) suggesting this TvT when it’s not really coming across that way to me and that seems like a very odd take for several pages of early aggression between two slots based on very little

sorry, you dont get to bully me into joining your preferred wagon. you think it isnt TvT, i disagree. until *I* see something scummy, im not gonna place a serious vote. considering that more than half the playerlist hasnt really posted and the four who have posted have been in a shitfight, i think thats reasonable.

So is your stance that every post made so far is NAI

no i thought most people who had been actually contributing were +town.

also i forgot to bookmark this game. i forgot it started and was getting really frustrated that it hadnt started. catching up now

[Tayl0r Swift]

So far BM's the scummiest person here. I see his SR on me as trying to set up some easy limbait since I hear I tend to give off that first impression. Ofc we are still technically kinda in rvs so this is a fairly weak read but ye I will be putting this here for future reference of what I was thinking 3 pages into the game. First impressions can often help town find the scums so I'm not too sure if I found one but we'll see

You are probably literally the only person who thinks I'm remotely scummy here. I'm pretty obvtown, even from my own perspective. Also, you are playing that RVS card way too hard, although can let that slide as you're a newbie.

However, I actually like the above post. Feels like a legit misguided attempt to get bragging rights. Some townie points for you (although no bragging rights, because, i'm not scum, and you tunnelling me is not helping town).

yes let me tell you how much you should have me as locktown on page 3

Post # 102 is a bit provocative. Unfortunately I dont get mad that easily so you won't be able to get a huge reaction out of me and SR me for it. I talk about myself in third person from time to time correct. The other part is kinda rude however scumhunter Noraa isn't bad at her job so u best watch out. Rn a wagon on u sounds like the best wagon

how would you know if scumhunter noraa is good at her job if shes never finished her job?

that's helpful, thanks Bob! she doesn't really think datisi is null, she's just too scared of him to continue pressing. Doesn't want a fight on two-fronts, which seems like sensible play for Noraa-scum, but nonsensical play for Noraa-town.

On a lighter note, Taylor Swift hasn't posted in the first 5 pages!?

taylor must be scum

These do not sound to me like posts from someone who believes that everything posted from these two slots so far is NAI

you consistently do this, eh? you make an accusation, assume it to be true, and then make further accusations based on the first accusation being true without even letting the other person respond. its kinda shitty.

[Tayl0r Swift]

If it’s icon/noraa/Taylor then I’m a god and I’m sigging myself saying this postgame

what happens if its none of those people? then youre nothing and you should sig it anyway?

[Tayl0r Swift]

you want me to vote for BM or noraa? no. i think theyre both prolly town. there are no other wagons, its an rvs vote. once everyone has posted then maybe ill have a legit scumread.

fence-sitty and trying to shrug off this interaction as TvT looks quite the scum move here

its not fence-sitty. i took a firm stance that neither of them is scum.

[Tayl0r Swift]

I’m going to default to town just because of rand odds

FoS menal

[Tayl0r Swift]

I’m going to default to town just because of rand odds

FoS menal

i guess to elaborate - being unable to come up with an actual reason for a read and defaulting to town because "chance" screams scum struggling to scumhunt and sort people because of TMI

[Tayl0r Swift]

lylo = limlo, xylo
still kinda regularly used from what ive seen
wifom is harder to explain you might wanna read the wiki page

I'll reread BM because I didnt get the confident vibes at all

lylo is fine if you replace lynch with lunch

hop on the lunchwagon, people

[Tayl0r Swift]

I found Alonzo and Taylor's entries to be the pingiest. Alonzo with a naked vote and then absence, only to call TvT and foist a weak/obviously disprovable vote on Menalque (a slot that had been FoSed by enough to be a potential wagon). Taylor for the lack of an RVS, then perhaps TMI-shade, which she didnt even follow through on.

alonzo's reads null, but I concur with the taylor ping a lot. teacher gut townlean + catchup logic was easy to follow

hi iconeum, ive seen the name but probably never played with you

whats your take on BMvnoraa

shelly youve scumread me in literally every single game we've been in together i think

[Tayl0r Swift]

Actually maybe Taylor should be a scumlean based on that vote

you want me to vote for BM or noraa? no. i think theyre both prolly town. there are no other wagons, its an rvs vote. once everyone has posted then maybe ill have a legit scumread.

mena disliked this post

somewhat agree with disliking this

unsure why taylor can't have scumreads until everyone has posted… sounds like stalling, which town doesn't or shouldn't do

i can. but i usually dont for a while even if everyone has posted. im much better at finding town than scum. so ill find a bunch of town and then narrow down a PoE. sorry if my playstyle isnt to your liking.

[Tayl0r Swift]

right, nulltown
i just saw him above null and sorted it as townlean

Serious thoughts on icon reading our PT and not responding to me in it especially after he specifically asked me to play in this game?

level-zero-thinking says kinda sus

for more elaborate thought ask me later

datisi is actually scum

with menal? maybe

even if i was in a pt, datisi would Always be protecting me here because they know

IT'S MY WEEKEND VLA

you just shaded me for my only pings being datisi and menal being scum together, and here you are saying the same thing. boo you.

[Tayl0r Swift]

VOTE: shelly

i dont like that menal and datisi townread each other and then proceed to put themselves on opposing sides of what seems at this point to be a TvT shitfight.

random vote on me??
shade on menal + dats and try to be the rational mediator in the noraavBM fight

i thought he was vaguely +town for the mindmeld about noraa

I would agree that if noraa is scum then he’s just arrogant, but I think he’s posting in a fairly agenda-y way (the push on noraa but also trying to leave room to pivot in my direction, advancing support for the opposite-neighbours thing but wanting to flip me first and only then icon)

from my limited experience with / knowledge of BM, i thought he was arrogant regardless of alignment

i'm not sure i see (scummy) agenda in his posts about noraa? also uhh, i kinda didn't take his read on you as serious

pedit: sighhh
taylor, (1) obligatory why vote shelly, (2) why do you dislike that?

well its just strange that out of the four people who had been active to that point, one pair townread each other, another pair scumread each other and crossvoted, and then the first pair hopped on opposing sides of the wagons. was odd. by the time i posted, menal corrected it.

i still think thats probably TvT though

insisting on TvT for no reason? TMI??

rational mediators dont take sides. they stay in the middle, say its TvT, and encourage people to chill because their pushes are bad. oh wait thats what i was doing.

[Tayl0r Swift]

yes let me tell you how much you should have me as locktown on page 3

...you hadn't even posted by page 3?

i was being sarcastic. you were telling people that they should have sorted you as town by then. it was page 3, there wasnt much content, and most people hadnt posted. thanks for proving my point.

[Tayl0r Swift]

ah, i'm taking a break from this one, you guys spam so much!

I'll be watching though!

BM, hot take

noraa counter tunneling and omgus'ing you isn't scum!indicative
noraa using the newbie card to get out of jail for free is NAI, because scum!noraa would probably be using that as much as town!noraa

I disagree, but the jury's out on everyone really - I'm not lock-scum on Noraa or anything mad. I think there's going to be high volume posting in this game, so I'm going to take more of a backseat and share my observations later.

In response to Datisi and Menalque calling me arrogant - not actually true, it's mostly just tongue-in-cheek really!

I'm aware my scumhunting record overall is pretty marginal at best, although on my day I can be very good, and am improving with age. I generally do my best work when i don't post so much, however that's also less fun! Also pressuring newbies in non-newbie games is just objectively the right thing to do.

this sequence is funny with BM saying hes gonna take a back seat/break and then immediately BM posted ~10 more times

[Tayl0r Swift]

Like you weren’t under any pressure really

I wasn’t under a lot of pressure
Even if I were scum it’s not like I could use that to push you to an elim bc when you flipped it would prove I was lying

this is bad. the fake-claim was bad. the fake claim was only not that bad because it was obviously fake. if this post is genuine its town-indicative because youre upset that your gambit failed. but its far more likely that this post isnt really genuine and you were hoping to get a townie to give you free towncred by fake-claiming a neighborhood. you werent under that much pressure anyway, it was like page 5. i think town!you knows its early game and theres no need to be concerned about a little pressure.

[Tayl0r Swift]

ok im caught up to the top of page 20. more to come later

[Tayl0r Swift]

Yoink vc

nice page near-bottom

[Tayl0r Swift]

wait am i right in thinking that menal shaded me for my RVS vote on shelly and then proceeded to join me on the shelly wagon? hmm i guess maybe im missing something in the 14 pages i havent read yet

[Tayl0r Swift]

oh btw wrt the fun fact that strawberries arent berries: the scientists who made that definition also say bananas are berries. they can fuck right off.

[Tayl0r Swift]

would people prefer to run up a bunch of people asap, or to just no-lunch today? i'm getting frustrated we feel so far from a consensus.

this is a bad post and you should feel bad for making it

[Tayl0r Swift]

would people prefer to run up a bunch of people asap, or to just no-lunch today? i'm getting frustrated we feel so far from a consensus.

this is a bad post and you should feel bad for making it

for full disclosure, i was bored and avoiding work i had to, and this didn't necessarily reflect my heartfelt opinion at the time, nor at present.

However, I do not feel bad for posting it.

I simply feel negatively towards you for trying to guilt trip me for being a bad employee.

sorry you dont get to make scummy posts and then just say "i didnt mean it!!!"

[Tayl0r Swift]

Also interested who Taylor , Shelly and TGP think scum on their wagon might be.

not sure as i still have to catch up on 15 pages but theres only 2 votes on me. shelly always scumreads me so thats NAI, and teacher i feel like should be able to see that im town but ??. i havent read why they voted me

[Tayl0r Swift]

VOTE: shelly

i dont like that menal and datisi townread each other and then proceed to put themselves on opposing sides of what seems at this point to be a TvT shitfight.

Like why are you voting someone who (1) hasn’t posted yet (2) voting somewhere totally unproductive when there is actually already content that you’ve made a *very ostentatious show of reading through* and (3) suggesting this TvT when it’s not really coming across that way to me and that seems like a very odd take for several pages of early aggression between two slots based on very little

sorry, you dont get to bully me into joining your preferred wagon. you think it isnt TvT, i disagree. until *I* see something scummy, im not gonna place a serious vote. considering that more than half the playerlist hasnt really posted and the four who have posted have been in a shitfight, i think thats reasonable.

So is your stance that every post made so far is NAI

no i thought most people who had been actually contributing were +town.

also i forgot to bookmark this game. i forgot it started and was getting really frustrated that it hadnt started. catching up now

Ego search is your friend. Click view your posts on top. You’re welcome.

doesnt this show every thread youve posted in? so including queue threads, etc?

[Tayl0r Swift]

Taylor-directed post

I dont really like this post and line of thought at someone who hasnt been here, I dont think? Like obviously she hasnt thought about her vote/whether or not it is still RVS/the wagon comp, ya? So why is the tone of this seemingly attacking rather than "so what do you make of that"?

Do you not feel like its a valid question for her when she does come back. Her vote is currently on the leading wagon. Which is just ahead of the wagon that grew shortly after the shelly wagon formed.

I think it’s a valid question, but not a valid framing. The most nested/snipped post read:

Do you still consider your vote on shelly to be a rvs vote?



Also what do you think of the fact that menal and datisi are both now on that wagon with you. As you raised something about how you didnt like how they townread each other yet were on opposite sides of the noraa v bm.

To me, this somehow gave the impression that Taylor was actively “considering” her vote and ignoring the wagon comp’s inconsistency — that she was willingly voteparking rather than simply being absent.

my vote was initially RVS as i recall. i dont think shelly is all that scummy (still havent read 15 pages), but was willing to leave my vote there as the wagons moved. i did find it interesting that datisi and menal who were on opposite sides of dueling wagons wound up on the same side of those wagons, and are now on a wagon together with me. not sure how they got there, again ill have to read those 15 pages which i can probably do tomorrow.

[Tayl0r Swift]

Also interested who Taylor , Shelly and TGP think scum on their wagon might be.

not sure as i still have to catch up on 15 pages but theres only 2 votes on me. shelly always scumreads me so thats NAI, and teacher i feel like should be able to see that im town but ??. i havent read why they voted me

I didn’t like either your entry or your absence. It was more of a pressure thing.

i mean fair i guess. its interesting that alonzo wants us to assume that there is scum on our wagon. not sure if thats scummy, it just kinda struck me as an odd way of phrasing the question. kinda makes me feel like hes scum trying to make us suspect people on our wagons who he knows are town. but i dont really have concrete reasons to think alonzo is scum, so thats prolly just me being overly tinfoily.

[Tayl0r Swift]

Shelly do you still think both golden and nooraa are scum?

As your voting for taylor over two of your scum reads. Although you voted for taylor you did say you wanted to pressure her at the time. So what do you think of taylors catch up?

taylor worse than noraa and golden
i wanna believe that noraa is LHF

you literally always scumread me. i cant even take you seriously anymore

[Tayl0r Swift]

I mean I do genuinely find you scummy in this position
I don’t really like “untunnel me stop constantly scumreading me”

I’ve also got pings on piirational

does that mean that normally when you state a scumread on me it isnt genuine? which of piisirrational's four posts was particularly scummy to you?

[Tayl0r Swift]

I mean I do genuinely find you scummy in this position
I don’t really like “untunnel me stop constantly scumreading me”

I’ve also got pings on piirational

and id be more willing to take your scumread seriously if a) i were scum or b) if you could articulate a decent reason. you always tunnel me, and you never have a good reason for it.

[Tayl0r Swift]

what read?

[Tayl0r Swift]

does that mean that normally when you state a scumread on me it isnt genuine? which of piisirrational's four posts was particularly scummy to you?

no and 220’s just a bunch of IIoA and voting ico instead of voting for their SR (noraa menal)

that looks like an RVS vote to me

[Tayl0r Swift]

and the post itself seems fine. especially given that it comes on page 9 as an entry/catchup post. the "basically" section is absolutely analysis, and its pretty solid (for page 9). youre gonna have to explain whats scummy about that post in more detail if you want me to follow your logic.

[Tayl0r Swift]

okay, that's interesting. i didn't know that, but that makes the shelly/ico interaction super interesting.

you think scum!ico and scum!shellyc are pocketing each other?

i do. gotta convince each other not to bus somehow

[Tayl0r Swift]

shelly/ico/bm seems absolutely like a viable scumteam to me.

that is literally our town block lol

I kinda like bussing as well. I have several completed games you can look at

pls no bus me

better try and pocket her asap

[Tayl0r Swift]

i wanna believe that noraa is LHF

do i have a wrong interpretation of LHF or?????

how is noraa lhf?

lhf = people shelly doesnt want you to wagon

[Tayl0r Swift]

shelly why is this the only game in which ive seen you try to form a townbloc?

also dont put too too much stock in me being on your wagon until i finish reading. my vote is ok where it is for now but i imagine therell be stuff in those 15 pages that changes my mind

[Tayl0r Swift]

hmmm shelly is starting to townread me? this is highly scum-indicative for shelly. shes prolly scum here.

[Tayl0r Swift]

noraa case in a nutshell:

-(counter?)tunneling on BM
-confbiasing, trying to make every post BM made into a scumtell
-not having other reads outside of BM
-not trying to have reads outside of BM
-after being forced into having a read, suddenly has a strong townread for reasons that previously had noraa 'all are null'
-increasingly bad posts in general

welcome to noraa

[Tayl0r Swift]

can everybody give like 2 people they want to elim today? would be good to get some hard data at this point.

donald trump and joe biden

[Tayl0r Swift]

second request that you respond to this @shelly

me changing reads to fit the situation is my general town play really
as town I have much lower confidence in myself

also, to the points that made me reconsider, things like the reaction to ico outing the fake was kinda artificial? the push on me for essentially swimming with the tide isn’t exactly town pinging either

so tunneling is your scumplay?

[Tayl0r Swift]

The important ones from the top of my head:

- Don't announce you're replacing out of games or try to get other people to replace. Don't comment on replacements either (I kinda broke it early but...)

- Don't use the L word if possible

- Trust tells

- Don't scumclaim together with someone else, even if it's false. Scum claiming by yourself is fine.

I wouldn't say the above is for the last 7 years though...maybe only for the last 3 - 4 years. I don't think there's anything else important though.

llama

[Tayl0r Swift]

I've given up on convincing you guys to vote taylor with logic

what about cookies though?

did i miss the part where you were trying to get people to vote me using logic?

[Tayl0r Swift]

i feel like username is just kinda obvtown here, at least to me.

[Tayl0r Swift]

link pls noraa

[Tayl0r Swift]

Taylor did you do a response to that entire curbstomp thing bunno did earlier?

theres not much to say... its wrong, and the confidence in being wrong makes me question why a good player who is town would be so insistent that im scum. i dont know what to make of it, but eh.

[Tayl0r Swift]

link pls noraa

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... start=1100

wow you posted 50% more than the next highest poster in that game. thats impressive...

[Tayl0r Swift]

UNVOTE:

im still a few pages behind and i do not like the idea of getting a claim or that vote.

[Tayl0r Swift]

and ico seemed so townie

[Tayl0r Swift]

and ico seemed so townie

why do you think my vote specifically is bad on that wagon, and not someone else's?

because it's L-1?

because your explicit purpose was rolefishing. my vote was rvs and i was leaving it while i finished catching up (which i plan to do tomorrow).

[Tayl0r Swift]

it's a common practice to ask for a claim upon L-1 you know

no its common practice to ask for a claim when intent is stated

[Tayl0r Swift]

but if the full extent of your disliking of my vote is literally

'omg ico asked for a claim on L-1, he shoulda waited for intent'

just lol

what prompted the vote now though?

[Tayl0r Swift]

it would also town up the taylor slot a lot

wouldnt a shelly scumflip make me look bad?

hmmm im really not sure where im at right now. ill have to reread and figure stuff out tomorrow.

[Tayl0r Swift]

noraa why the fuck are you on ico now???

Menalque ; Datisi ; TheGoldenParadox ; bob3141 ; Iconeum
I think {menal Datisi} and {golden bob} contain at least one scum within each bracket

Taylors weird flipout on me kinda reads scum trying to avoid being on a town lim

why? i was the first one on the wagon, it would be pretty easy to make up a reason to scumread you and coast

[Tayl0r Swift]

yes

you should claim

L-1 and intent

this was a straight up lie. i dont see how shelly could believe the lie given that her post is sitting next to a vote count, but its still a lie manipulating someone into claiming

[Tayl0r Swift]

Taylor unvoting sounds less like a partner trying to bail out in the last minutes of bussing (which is a very very very rare thing to happen, you need to have too much courage to unvote your partner on L-1), and more like she wants to distance herself of shelly wagon even though she voted him it's been more than an entire week by now.

Look I've tried my best but I can't understand a world where it's town!Taylor.

its amazing how you can come up with all these scum explanations but cant even consider for a moment the actual reason that i actually stated

[Tayl0r Swift]

bunno, ur trying to divert a lot of attention away from shellyc without trying to dismantle the actual points there are on shellyc

what do you think of the case?

this is actually a really good point that bunno is chainsaw defending shelly

[Tayl0r Swift]

BM asked me to claim, not ico.

look at post 1403. there was no need for you to claim

[Tayl0r Swift]

I've no interest in wasting more of my time on this. Already wasted my entire yesterday. I'm going to have lunch.

I may be right, I may be wrong, but if you all can just stop saying I'm trying to divert attention from other people wagon and actually engage my Taylor wagon, that would be nice.

Not one

I repeat

Not one person has actually managed to excuse Taylor behavior by anything other than trying to compare it to noraa/shelly when it's not equal at all. You can use how much rethoric/hyperbole you want but the unique slot that is close to Taylor levels of contribution is Bob.

This game has been about Noraa/Shelly it's been 50 pages, more than one week, but when I introduce you a new wagon it's because I'm partners with noraa/shelly.

If you want to elim them so much, do as you wish. Just don't blame me for it later + I shouldn't be blamed if I miselim you later.

you realize that i replaced in 3 days ago and havent finished catching up right? why are you holding me to the same standard as people who have been in the game the whole time?

VOTE: bunno

[Tayl0r Swift]

I don't like to use past games but I tunneled FlavorLeaf/Kuribo for entire 3 in-game days in TM 2020 and it turns out I was right, while the one screaming "yeah but you're too tunneled" was just letting scum slip.

'i was right in this one game so i must be right here'

The point isn't I'm right on this

it's that my tunneling isn't necessarily bad

I probably always tunnel my SRs, it's how I work.

Sometimes I'm right, sometimes I'm wrong, it's life.

But don't try to say my read is bad because I'm tunneling.

its not that your reason is bad because youre tunneling. its that your read is bad because youre being inconsistent in applying logic and it makes no sense that you townread other people who have done the same thing as me. and the fact that you dont realize i replaced in recently suggests that you didnt read the thread that carefully, and lying about that is scum indicative i think. like pretending to read the whole thread and know whats going on enough to push me when it seems that you havent read the thread at all and your reasoning for pushing me is factually wrong tells me that youre BSing.

[Tayl0r Swift]

u TR me then u throw shade on me. wtf.

im fine if someone wants to policy noraa but we should all lim Taylor

this is a really bad post, especially when youre the leading wagon

[Tayl0r Swift]

bunno vs ico is probably another shitfight over logical fallacies instead of solving Taylor/me alignments
Bunno I’ve been consistently pushing Taylor and although I haven’t done a very very good job of articulating it and you’ve made a much more comprehensive casingtaylor is by far my strongest SR
I am also not noraa despite the avis

username talk to me about why you’re inclined to vote Taylor

pedit yes and I just claimed vt

dont you already have reasons for voting me? actually, what are the reasons you find me scummy? how do they differ from literally every single other game we have ever been in together where you have also tunneled me?

[Tayl0r Swift]

since the wagon is gaining traction and now you’d be tomorrows lim when I flip VT

why are you flipping on me then

do you think both leading wagons are both town and the scum are active then by your train of thought

would i have been tomorrows lunch? i dont think many people scumread me prior to my unvoting. only bunno. unvoting called attention to myself. whats the scum motivation there?

and im starting to think that maybe you are scum. ill wait to evaluate until i read those 15 pages i havent read.

[Tayl0r Swift]

hang on im not a replacement in this game, but i did completely forget about it for 36+ hours until a prod. i think that explains my low content?

[Tayl0r Swift]

am i really not producing content though? like, exclude the 50% of the thread where i literally forgot about the game. in the rest of the thread i am producing content and am engaged... wtf

[Tayl0r Swift]

i literally always produce less content in the early game and it picks up as the game goes on. especially as town

[Tayl0r Swift]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=84280

here is a towngame where i had incredibly low content and was scumread for it

in my scumgame i had decent content and that is not why the scumteam fell apart.

your meta argument is shit and based on cherrypicking

why are you making accusations and gaslighting me rather than trying to engage me and figure out the truth

[Tayl0r Swift]

wow such great townplay you're so smart

thanks, i know

[Tayl0r Swift]

if we flip shelly and she's town and we flip teacher later and he's scum I'll die too

rn i don't really care, and I frankly don't give a fuck if this looks like I'm protecting teacher or not

your play here makes no sense. all your teacher-defence is doing is making me more convinced that we should elim teacher.

blah blah blah

okay go off and have fun trying to build your teacher wagon then

i mean my teacher wagon is already nearly as big as your failed shelly wagon

my wagon is the biggest. its tremendous

[Tayl0r Swift]

hang on ill vote in a minute but you guys spammed another 10 pages

[Tayl0r Swift]

say something useful or stop talking

can you spell irony?

[Tayl0r Swift]

I'm sowwy no-one wants to vote ur Likkle wagon

haha i was making fun of you two for getting in a pissing contest above but this is great content. truly.

[Tayl0r Swift]

I'm not going offline and I'm not going to let BM try to take control of the gamestate by outposting me

what happened butty, this was a while ago

[Tayl0r Swift]

TGP wanting me to vote shelly is interesting. hmm

[Tayl0r Swift]

VOTE: shelly

do i think she'll flip scum? prolly not.
do i care? not really. this shitshow needs to end.
should you scumread me? probably, but its ok because you wont lunch me due to my role.

[Tayl0r Swift]

sorry i had to do that for the memes.

but seriously

VOTE: teacher

[Tayl0r Swift]

Taylor doesn't even pick someone she "believes" to be scum

She has literally no scumlean/pushes on a 75 page game

Noraa is bad but at the same time oh my god, are we really letting that fly?

In my view Noraa has unreasonably emotional reads rather than objective ones, but Taylor...not even that.

Ok though...I'll try not to care too much about this game.

every time you post im gonna make my reads worse.

[Tayl0r Swift]

sorry i had to do that for the memes.

but seriously

VOTE: teacher

I'm the one to ask you

seriously?

are you going to pretend this is a genuine read from you rather than you just joining the hottest wagon?

no im going to pretend its me joining the hottest wagon rather than a genuine read

[Tayl0r Swift]

I"m done for tonight.

See you.

If wagons completely change again beyond my predictions I'll compromisse by the way.

I'm not compromissing on teacher though, it seems 100% a random elimination.

given the rest of your reads that doesnt surprise me.

[Tayl0r Swift]

but its ok because you wont lunch me due to my role.

this should be held accountable and if you're lying you should be punished either way.

Anything other than a confirmable town role after this declaration is unnaceptable. If it's a town VT or town weak PR I would call this bad play territory.

i hadnt spotted this, and i think it was a mistake for you to draw attention to it like this. catching her in a lie would have been great. instead you've just forced her to claim PR, and then what?

i think the person who calls out the person doing the callout is likely to be scum. FoS BM here.

[Tayl0r Swift]

does anyone know anything about torpedos?

[Tayl0r Swift]

Taylor can you remind me why/how you thought teacher would know you were town in this game?

meta

[Tayl0r Swift]

is there a world where scum!battle mage who was off wagon tells us that at least 1 maybe more scum were off-wagon and we should be looking there?

[Tayl0r Swift]

so i got a message last night from someone claiming to be an investigative last night who asked me to crumb my role. beware: if you get such a message, it could come from scum trying to fake it. the investigation would have cleared me, so either the message was total BS from scum, and BM is that scum pushing me, or there is a bus driver or something that can mess with investigatives, or BM is simply scum faking a guilty on me for ??? reason. i dont see any reason to want to trade 1 for 1 with me by faking a guilty. but i also see no reason why BM would out himself at this stage in the day on day 2.

[Tayl0r Swift]

theres no normal version of a paranoid cop is there?

[Tayl0r Swift]

Also, just to pre-empt a few possible questions:

Yes, I did claim VT on Day 1. I....lied. Partly cause I was screwing around, and mostly because I thought it would slightly reduce the chance of me getting NKed.

Yes, I have no reason to fakeclaim here to orchestrate a mis-elim. I think I was a fairly consensus obvtown at the end of yesterday, and by claiming early, it removes any of the WIFOM of "was BM only claiming there to distract from another elim?"

No, I won't reveal any details about the way in which my role is limited - don't want to give scum any more info than necessary.

Yes, largely from a personal standpoint, I'd prefer we didn't spend a whole week toiling over this dayphase, and just elim Taylor quickly, and move on - we haven't had an issue yet with the day not being long enough for people to post reams.

to your first point: lynch all liars
to your second: you werent consensus obvtown, and outing at this point in the day seems like an objectively bad play
third: ok
fourth: in what world is it good for town to rush through lunches? we should take our time and figure out what this means. especially since if we do rush through my lunch today you'll be on the menu tomorrow.

[Tayl0r Swift]

i also dont like how BM claims and then immediately makes it so he cant be counterclaimed

[Tayl0r Swift]

BM: are you the one who sent me a message last night?

[Tayl0r Swift]

bob help me out here, do the points i raised make any sense? is there a world where both me and BM are town? if hes scum is there any reason for him to fake a guilty? if hes town is there any reason to out the guilty so fast?

[Tayl0r Swift]

gg, well played those of you who didnt have cops fake guilties on you (yes im still salty)

thanks gypyx!