Open 809: Charge Me Up! [Over]

[VFP]

VOTE: flowtrap
Page 1 OMGUS

[VFP]

Flow Trap may be actually be town.
That said, I'm keeping my vote here for now.

[VFP]

Should we lim Wooper?

[VFP]

I might need to swap to a page 3 OMGUS.

[VFP]

I don't have the minerals!

[VFP]

Dk probably scum then.
Good to know.

[VFP]

astonishingly bad take - whats sad is I think you're town here and scum is taking advantage of your foolish play thus far based on how I'm reading the game state right now.

Anyone in particular?
I'm quite the naive player player overall so guidance would be appreciated.

I'm conftown

Is this true?

[VFP]

UNVOTE: flow trap

I guess I'll do this for now then.

[VFP]

Town
Flow
Flea
Dk
DMG

I think we might win by PoE alone at this stage

[VFP]

are these posts jokes? I can't tell exactly cause you're humor if so is so dry lmao

What answer makes me more town?

[VFP]

I think Dragons just made the VFP town block.
Scum going to be at a panic wanting to break this now.

VFP
Dk
Flow
Flea
Dragon
DMG

[VFP]

Lukewarm is possibly scum. They won't be added to the VFP block.

[VFP]

NM is added to the VFP block

[VFP]

ND scum number 2?

[VFP]

VFP
Dk
Flow
Flea
Dragon
DMG
NM

Moz
Artemiana
Mini
Yessiree
Green

Lukewarm
ND

[VFP]

That's a good point. It's safe to assume that Green Crayon chose the name to look town.

[VFP]

Yeah that was pretty odd.
But Dk is VFP blocked and Lukewarm is basically confirmed scum at this point.

[VFP]

Yessiree is on the town list. Not quite on the VFP block but damn close.

@Raya

can you prod the solo names for MiniVirgo?

If this slot doesn't start producing after that, they're going into the scum pile.

[VFP]

You scumread them for... not posting?

Yes. If they avoid the game after a prod, it's for a reason. You seem worried here?

[VFP]

See, my prod request worked.
And I've given Mini a lead to go on.

I'm like a hero to this town.

[VFP]

Wel lof course. Everyone in the VFP block is town.

[VFP]

VFP agreeing with flow trap's claim

I don't understand, why wouldn't I agree with it?

[VFP]

VFP
Dk
Flow
Flea
Dragon
DMG
NM
Yessiree
Mini

Moz
Artemiana
Green

Lukewarm
ND

I think we just won regardless?

Lukewarm red flip adds Green to VFP block.
Lukewarm Green flip adds Green to scum

My D1 scum team though is
Lukewarm / ND / Artemiana

[VFP]

VOTE: Lukewarm

I'm ready to end the day.

[VFP]

Dragon is the neibour in the VFP block that leaves their bins out after dumpster collection day.
Everyone is sick of their shit but no one will do anything about it!

Stop it Dragon!
In reference to 232

[VFP]

Can you explain these in depth?

No, sorry.
Is there a particular read you think is wrong?

[VFP]

Why not?
I think it's concerning how many TRs you have.

The VFP block doesn't need explaining, just trusted.
Who do you have concern with in the block? Is it Dragon? Because I've already told them to get their shit together.

[VFP]

What’s your reasons for this? It’s a bit strange you just want to lim someone like that

Well Wooper claimed a PR but I don't believe it's true.

[VFP]

Why would you need to know? Just answer honestly

Because I want to give an impressive answer.
I'm trying to convince you all that I'm town so the VFP block actually works.

[VFP]

That’s a big town block which is concerning

This is the updated one.

VFP
Dk
Flow
Flea
Dragon
DMG
NM
Yessiree
Mini

[VFP]

Having half the game as town?? How can you know this unless you know because you’re scum

If this is true, then Lukewarm is a good vote.

[VFP]

Putting our slot in there doesn’t make it not concerning

Of course it does.
As I said, follow me and the game is a win.

[VFP]

What happens if you & DK disagree?

In what sense?

[VFP]

I’m not just gonna follow someone in a game of mafia that’s just wrong

If it helps, we can just assume that the posts not signed are ones by you.
Also, follow me. If I'm wrong, give me 6 more shots to be right. If I'm still wrong, then we can review where I was wrong and why.

[VFP]

Where did you get the impression that I'm more confident in you scum to Lukewarm?
My comment is that Green and Lukewarm are not scum together.

I think you are most likely scum because your play.
I'm also happy to end the day because we win with my block. If players wish to drag the day out, I won't object.

Why am I wrong on you?

[VFP]

so now that we have progressed a little - how do people feel about no limming so PRs can do their thing and investigatives can potentially give us some juicy info?

I love this idea.

On a side note. I actually liked ND's response there.
Lukewarm however, that was a bad response. Not only are they trying to push me off to another target by calling to my ego and complimenting my block but to act naive and to try and say that ND wasn't on the list when it's very clear I had them marked as red.
It's either Lukewarm not reading the game or trying to pull the wool over my eyes.
ND is the easier target for Lukewarm to push me towards given how my reads were.

Anything outside of a No lim should be Lukewarm.
But DK has spoken!

[VFP]

Why not, Green?

[VFP]

Wanna see VFP response.

This is a response.

[VFP]

Why do you need to mimic other players jokes to enjoy the game and not take it so seriously?
Other than you, whats wrong with my list?

[VFP]

I was wrong.

Spoiler:

I'm not the town hero, I think Lukewarm is!

[VFP]

@Lukewarm

- Do you think Mini is town?

[VFP]

It rubbed me the wrong way because it is Day 1, and you have zero votes on you, like VFP isn't even voting for you, but you still seem defensive.

Sounds like something town would be more concerned with than scum for me.
You said it yourself. No one was voting, there was no pressure... why does Scum!ND care if i have them as scum?
Only reason would be that I have the entire scum team in my null/scum.

[VFP]

Because leaving your vote on who ever you find most suspicious is underutilizing the power of it

What Flow said, but different.

[VFP]

DMG is officially removed from the VFP block.
So we now have an opening.

[VFP]

I might be added Green into the block at this rate.

[VFP]

actually I thought about it more and I think trying to talk to vfp also killed my desire to ask people stuff this game lol

This is basically a scum claim.

[VFP]

Still scares me I'm in there, ngl.

I'm going to make you a double voter.
VOTE: Green Crayom

[VFP]

Are you Mozamis?

[VFP]

lol I don't think you will koba

and no vfp

but I'm not going to continue saying no probably

Are you me?!

[VFP]

Aw, I was an arsonist!

[VFP]

I fail to see how it is hurting Town rather than just existing for no reason

[VFP]

If anything, Lukewarm has dragged the conversation out even more when it was already over.
Should I consider Lukewarm as Anti town here?

[VFP]

I'm not a fan of that turnaround

My point stands.

[VFP]

Do you have a reason to ask this

Ew. Scummy question.

[VFP]

Can you explain your fucking reads

Which one?

[VFP]

Am I just not seeing why they're scum from these recent posts?

No, I town read DMG pretty hard.

[VFP]

This game was a mistake, should have known it would have been shit with you in it

This AtE is NAI btw.

[VFP]

VOTE: MiniVirgo[Policy]

Scummy post

[VFP]

I never understand why people vote themselves when it's not a hammer.
It carrys no backing.

@Mini

give yourself an unvote, give me 3 names and I'll tell you exactly where I have them and why.

[VFP]

or, like, more generally. the blow up feels forced but idk if this is just how jv exists.

Forced or not, its NAI.

[VFP]

disagree

i used a similar "get exasperated and super defensive" response to koba's suspicions as scum

if jv doesn't usually act this way, then what's the reason here?

You can disagree, but it's not an opinion it's fact.
If forced, its A) scum panicking B) town panicking and trying to look town
If its real its A) scum frustrated that they are caught. B) town frustrated that they are being called scum.

Regardless of what you have seen done or written about its any of the above.

This is to the point where the head is going to go quiet or want to leave the game. Regardless its scummy to try and push for one of these by adding AI to it and instead look to the motive and back to progressing the game.

Don't be lazy scum / town.

[VFP]

All of them, how hard is this?

Okay when I'm at my PC ill tell you each read (3 hours odd)
For now unvote yourself.

If you want a discussion in the mean time then pock your topic.

[VFP]

Also I fucking can't stand them as a person so there's that.

Well you two should just avoid directing at each other for a while.
Dk calling you scum might be right, maybe not.
It's not worth getting overly stressed in the game, even more so to make it into an insult flinging game.

[VFP]

I don't want to even touch this game for tonight as I'm pissed so we can discuss when I get back tomorrow, hope you have those reads ready by then.

Scouts honour

[VFP]

Their response to koba was insane.

It was uncalled for and needs to stop but let's not play it off as 'insane' or something that needs prodding at for 5 more pages.

[VFP]

After all the work you put in to get VFP's reads, they finally offer to break down their reads on 3 players and you didn't take them up on it?

How is asking the same question 3 or 4 times considered as all of that work?

[VFP]

Don't get me wrong, they are probably town here and pushing me just makes their case stronger.

[VFP]

No, this is my first game on the site.
I did replace into a game with MMB where they replaced out before I joined though

[VFP]

I don't read them as town for getting frustrated with me.
That would be silly of me.

[VFP]

The odd thing is, this isn't how I normally play (outside of bastard games).
Personally I hate D1 and I prefer to sub into games to get something going.

That said only nm and Flea have a completed game with me and I don't think it AI at all that I'm not scum to them for it (maybe I am still to nm?) (Maybe I am to Flea?)

[VFP]

It's the "makes their case stronger" part that gives me that impression

Frustration doesn't mean pushing me. You said yourself they have been pushing me majority of the game. The frustration part has been getting stronger over time but yes can easily be faked.

[VFP]

I'm waiting for this still

I'm at my PC now.
But I'm tired so here's this.

VFP
Dk
Flea
Dragon
DMG
NM
Yessiree
Mini
Moz
Artemiana
Green
Lukewarm
ND

Flow

[VFP]

but I do think Jackson's recent posting has been much worse

I don't think Mini is scum here.

[VFP]

I don't think the wagon was justified there and felt a little too easy with lack of resistance.

Flea's vote I disliked the most out of all of them.
I doubt there's 2 scum on the wagon though, but I'll be shocked if everyone is town there.

It does make me think that Green has more of a chance to flip red here though and Mini is just the counter or at least a distraction that scum are just letting fly by.

As of who I think is town

DGM

is pretty town to me. There's a few posts I feel that are forced like 372 but I don't feel like it's scum mind set. I also think DMG is actually trying to progress reads though I'd like to see DMG question more towards who is scum.

Mini

is focused on the game at me. It's not like it's a popular place to push and there are much easier / accpetable targets for Mini to go for here. I don't think scum Mini get concerned about me asking for a prod on them either. The back and fourther between them and Dk was just not useful on a scale of sorting. The above is what makes me think town too.

Flow

is going to be the spot I flip flop on I feel like, but Flow I just read their posts as town. There's not too much else in it so mainly just gut.

NM

most likely town here. Mainly from the entrance but I doubt I'll get much more here.

ND

is actually producing high amount on content to posts. 291 is only from a town mind.

Town lean

Lukewarm

I can imagine being the scum tickets pass. 331 has some reads I disagree with but is consistent. I think I'm warming up to this slot.

Dk

is just going to tunnel here because of the disagreement. I'm not discrediting any skills they have here, I am saying that I don't think they fully believe to be 100% right here without the shit show argument. The problem I have with it is before that Dk was a realiable person to read in the sense I didn't feel there's a negative agenda for reads or comments. Now I think Dk is just going to ignore the game to that level until Mini is gone. The main problem is this stops me being able to make a read on them as if scum the tunnel is just going to be a smoke cloud. I think Dk shows as scum outside of that if scum, just from the way they play.

Artemiana

makes it just into here. I liked the approach to the shit show trying to prevent it going on. I know regardless of alignment it's not something that should be promoted but as scum you want to see town rip into each other (And this is going by my TvT). I liked something early game but I can't remember what.

Null

Moz

Needs to do something. I wish all the best in RL but still I expect something to be able to read on even if it's just an actual vote.

Dragons

I almost want to put as lean town but I feel that they do reads to appease rather than what they believe. Personally I think Dragon has a lot to offer though if town and I want to go through more reads with them directly day 2.

Minor lean scum

yessiree

seems empty with their posts. I don't see any actual attempt at scum hunting or want to progress. I don't see them going for easy targets either, but maybe staying under the radar or coasting.

Flea

gives me a different feeling to how I have normally with Flea. It's hard to say as last game me and Flea were calling each other scum and we were TvT so it could be a case of both of us giving opportunity here. Regardless I won't lim Flea day 1 as Flea is by far active enough generally to slip up. There's not too much to go by other than I feel Flea has been a bit quiet as a whole in this game so far. I only put Flea in minor out of respect of not being a null! Flea is the second player I want to get views on more day 2 before progressing.

Lean scum

Green

is playing as a typical scum, pick a target and stick to it without adding anything else to the game. As it stands there seem to be a few names I can't see with Green and with my thoughts on the Mini wagon I can see this as a good lim.

I'd be more preferable at this stage to talk about particular reads and give a details description on a name rather than the game state.
I can tell you that this list is where I'm actually currently at regardless of any lists posted before.

If I'm right on

Green

/

Mini

then we would be looking at
1 scum in
Save the Dragons, Dk, nm, Flea, Lukewarm
2 scum in
Yessiree, moz, Artemiana, ND, Mini, Green

With DGM and Flow locking as town for me.

[VFP]

where have i ignored the game lmfao?

Either you read what you wanted to see or I wasn't clear enough?

[VFP]

VFB why did I drop btw?
and how did you reach Mini as so high?

No one was actually where I had them, I was just making a nice fun VFP Block which meant nothing. I did state this in the same post.
I think I touched base enough on Mini why I have them as town. But I can go over a further read on them if that's the concern?

[VFP]

i actually gave REASONS - for my mini scumread, did you like completely ignore that?

I'm not questioning that. I'm not saying your push is fake neither.

[VFP]

i actually gave REASONS - for my mini scumread, did you like completely ignore that?

Yeah, I really liked the point you made in post 482. Mini was already moving to the lower end of my read list before you made that post, but that post did push him a bit lower still.

No you didn't.

[VFP]

Yeah, I really did. As I was reading through, I was wondering why they were taking being scum read on Day 1 so seriously/personally, and post 482 was better (and nicer) then any explanation that I could come up with

No you didn't.
516 sums up why they reacted to Dk calling them scum, regardless of alignment.

[VFP]

I mean you are welcome to town read them if you'd like, but I don't. And quite honestly, I don't think there is much that could be done today to get me to take my vote off of them before the day ends.

This isn't about town reading or scum reading them.
You were talking about wondering why Mini reacted like that. I'm telling you why they reacted like that.

It could be scum frustration as much as town frustration. That's a geniune reason if I've ever seen one though.
482 does not explain the reaction, it explains the agenda from Dk's opinion.

[VFP]

You pointed to a post from mini, where they admitted to having lost twice to DkKoba. And that is supposed to completely explains why they it would be make sense that they were upset to have been scum read by koba?

That level of reaction simply does not make sense to me if they are town being scum read. That level of reaction feels more genuine if it is the reaction to thinking you are getting ready to lose to koba a 3rd time in a row. Which indicates to me that they are scum, upset by being scum read by koba.

I might be right, I might be wrong, but my vote isn't changing off of Mini until they are dead or I am. I am more then happy to keep scum hunting other people in the mean time tho.

Of course it makes sense as town or scum.
If this was our 3rd game (me and you), and I just got you out of the 2 last games as both alignments while attempting to push you here, of course you will be frustrated as town with the thought of being the lim. The same as scum.
To clarify I'm not talking about your vote here. That's a different topic. I'm answering / correcting you in what you posted.

One thing I want to point out with the above, you have the scenerio of Mini scum losing to Dk town, but not Mini town losing to Dk scum?
If Mini flips town, is Dk scum for you?

[VFP]

I mean, maybe I would reconsider Koba in that scenario? But my hypothesis hinged on Mini knowing that they were on opposing teams. Scum Mini would know for sure, Town Mini would not have any extra information, so their read would carry the same weight as the reads of anyone else who flips town after day 1

Isn't Dk pretty certain that they are on different teams?

[VFP]

This question made me pause.

I just went back through their iso, and I would say no, at least not until after Mini's blow up. Koba does not once mention being suspicious of Mini until post 456 where they say they "think JV might be scum here." Which is the post that trigger the exchange between the two of them. Through out their exchange, koba does not immediately jump to "they are definitely scum," they mainly just defended themselves until post 482 when they said that they caught scum slip. They do seem pretty set on it after that point, but to be honest, that is about the point that I became set on it too.

So no, I would say that at the start of the exchange, koba seems unsure that they are on different teams, and had only just recently floated it as even a possibility. They did however become convinced after seeing mini's reaction to them floating a scum read in their direction.

You fail to add 463.
This post is clearly Dk calling them scum without sign of doubt. In fact a comment like this is actually a confident read as scum
The other part is that I don't think Mini ever calls Dk scum here, so the argument that Mini knows that they aren't on the same team isn't exactly valid as there's no evidence that Mini thinks this.
I'm back on phone as I'm going to bed but I had a skim and it looks to me that Mini thinks they are on the same side as Dk, and Dk is just pushing shit meta to justify a scum read / lim (not my words I have no view on the meta).

Town being frustrated at town with knowing that Dk can and has previously got them eliminated before is plausible here.

Correct me if I'm wrong there of course as it was only a skim but regardless, what gives you the impression that Mini is making this SvT over TvT?

[VFP]

616 and 617 I'm going to stop engaging with because it's like hitting my head against a wall.
Suspicious points added for Lukewarm though, and if Dk ever flips red I'll be pushing here.

[VFP]

lukewarm is town

As it stands I don't disagree.
But if you ever flip red that changes instantly.

[VFP]

good thing i cant flip red then

I doubt you do too but I have been wrong once before.
Where do we agree that scum can be you and I, me and you, we and we?

[VFP]

who are u lol

I meant wrong once before in general, not on you.
Was failed humour on myside

[VFP]

I was not gonna move my vote off of Mini

Funny thing is I even said this wasn't in intention.

[VFP]

._. oops wrong one

I guess it's fine

What does push or defend mean there?

[VFP]

But then your reads mean nothing to us?
Or do I go by null scum town only?

[VFP]

I'm surprised that DMG is null for you. They seem to have added enough to the game to warrant a read.

[VFP]

Okay I can see that.
Any particular posts you liked or didn't like?

[VFP]

I too forget things
Re read DGM and tell me what you dislike and like and I'll do the same for one of your picks?
Tomorrow though, I'm resting tonight.

[VFP]

That's the beauty of Mafia, you can do it any time over the next 24 hours!
Who do you think I need to re read on?

[VFP]

How am I supposed to know .-.

You can start by looking at a name who I have as town or scum that you disagree with? I could be wrong. Or are you satisfied with my reads even if they don't match yours?

[VFP]

@Raya

I'm going to be V/LA until tomorrow evening.
That's when my holiday starts and I'm just under too much pressure with work to play MS until then!

[VFP]

I will be posting my full analysis so far to the game by today. Specifically before dinner time I hope.

If you have me as scum, don't post it!

[VFP]

Oh phew!
I'm town btw.

[VFP]

flow trap flips town here btw lmfao

Any reads yet?

[VFP]

I'm happy to lim anyone at this stage.

[VFP]

Should we just lim Mini so we don't need a replacement?

[VFP]

Hello Andante and T3, welcome!
575 are my reads and more or less the same as I don't re call anything happennig in the game for a while.

Both of you are on my town, so there's that at least.

[VFP]

Andante is town.
I'd still hammer anyone at this point though.
Dragon is a good option. Moz too.

Andante is going to be active enough to catch out as scum if I'm wrong. Which I don't think I am.

I'm going out though but if I see an E1, even myself, it's a hammer!

[VFP]

Anyone at E1 yet?

[VFP]

Andante is

VOTE: Andante

[VFP]

T3 scum maybe.
I'll deal with it tomorrow though.

[VFP]

VOTE: Save the Dragons

[VFP]

I think I want T3 lim today.
Not because I am saying scum but because they voted me, and it's not on! >:{

[VFP]

Is T3 E1?

[VFP]

VOTE: T3

[VFP]

If I'm scum I'm killing Dk tonight.

[VFP]

ok im changing my voting pool to probably dmg/flea/std/yessir/

NM

i want to say that there is at least 2 mafia in that.

The kill was odd for scum to do there.
Other than trying to maybe set NM up and the above I don't see much reason.

I forget who's scum but I'm going to go through the 4 names above in the morning.

[VFP]

T3

(8): flow trap,

GrandpaMo

, Artemiana, Save the Dragons,

Not_Mafia

, Andante, Flea the Magician, VFP ELIMINATION

I don't think Andante or Flea are scum here. I also don't think that this is an all town wagon.
Flow / Art / Dragons

DMG / Yessiree / Dragon from Grampa's reads.

Dragon
Art
Flow
DMG
Yessiree

Thats the order I'd lim right now.

[VFP]

So you think the 3 scum are in ND, yessiree, Dk, DMG, and Robert?

[VFP]

Can you elaborate on why you're townreading Flea?

No, I can't. I have nothing to back it up with.

[VFP]

So you think the 3 scum are in ND, yessiree, Dk, DMG, and Robert?

Well for you to think that the wagon is all town, this is what you are saying. If you were just saying it's a plausibility then you wouldn't be responding my comment in that way, and neither would it make sense to be a highlighted point.
Who's the top 3 scum out of them?

[VFP]

Yes it would because you were using it as evidence against I just think it doesn't go either way

So if it could be an all town wagon, which you are claiming as possible, who are the top 3 scummy from the players not on the wagon?
Since you are arguing this, you should be able to name the 3.

[VFP]

And also the fact that I did respond to it like that

No, your response was highly suggestive to believing the scum wasn't on the wagon. If you think scum are on the wagon, it's not an argument you provide here.

Give me the 3 names though.

[VFP]

I'm done

VOTE: Flow Trap
Okay, my votes not moving all day.

We lim this today

[VFP]

Just lim Flow.

[VFP]

Just lim Flow.

This is anti-town

So is not eliminating you.

[VFP]

T3

(8): flow trap,

GrandpaMo

, Artemiana, Save the Dragons,

Not_Mafia

, Andante, Flea the Magician, VFP ELIMINATION

I don't think Andante or Flea are scum here. I also don't think that this is an all town wagon.
Flow / Art / Dragons

DMG / Yessiree / Dragon from Grampa's reads.

Dragon
Art
Flow
DMG
Yessiree

Thats the order I'd lim right now.

DMG and yesiree at the bottom??? what makes the other 3 scummier to you?

DMG and Yessiree are town reads for me and have been since yesterday.

[VFP]

There are 0 downsides to not shooting me today even if I am scum

Okay so if you don't prove yourself tonight we lim you tomorrow, yes?

[VFP]

There are 0 downsides to not shooting me today even if I am scum

Okay so if you don't prove yourself tonight we lim you tomorrow, yes?

I will even vote myself

VOTE: Save the Dragon

[VFP]

if they're town to you, why are they on your list to elim?

Because if all the others are town then I'm wrong somewhere.
And Grampa was killed for a reason.

[VFP]

Watcher on Flow if we have 1.
Flow killed, we know.
Flow lies about being blocked, we know

[VFP]

And Grampa was killed for a reason.

My bet is on frame job

It's a pretty wide frame job.

[VFP]

I want to strictly vote in VFP and STD today

Then vote one of us.
Otherwise stop trying to be noise.

[VFP]

That's the spirit. Now we can move on to the serious votes with players.

[VFP]

Anyone town reading Dragon here?

[VFP]

ok?? I know I'm town... I literally don't care whether yall choose to believe NM or not

I would honestly just ignore the Dk comments on you're alignment.
I think it's more of an ego situation concerning the back and fourth with Mini.

I'm pretty confident you are town here. That's even with taking NM out of the read.

[VFP]

Robert will have to try harder than that since he took over a slot that provided nothing.

@Robert

how caught up are you? What makes Yessiree a good vote and what makes Dragon a good follow?

[VFP]

Yeah, I think their eod1 was townie; they handled being wagoned well. Their reads looked genuine to me. Their engagement today has also been strong.

I'd rather elim today somewhere in {Yes, Flea, DMG, Arte, Rob} depending on how day goes. Last three are basically null reads right now, two being absent day1 and DMG just hasn't left much of an impression on me.

We're aiming for scum day 2. What makes Arte and Rob a decent vote to get scum?
And why is Yessiree scum here?

Jackson explained the most of it.

Reads based off activity are generally lazy

, and specifically so on a slot that hasn't posted at all (where that reason is very very likely to not be game related.)

Keep in mind I'm going by this post as well.

[VFP]

Robert will have to try harder than that since he took over a slot that provided nothing.

@Robert

how caught up are you? What makes Yessiree a good vote and what makes Dragon a good follow?

@Robert

[VFP]

heads up folks, pain flaring and MH drop. If I get flakey, theres your reason. I'll be staying within prod limits though

All the best, Flea.
Make sure you you look after yourself first.

[VFP]

VOTE: DMG

Say their name 3 times while looking in the mirror....

[VFP]

I think I'm going to put Flow into the same group as DK.
Ignore them until they say something worth reading.

Robert isn't a bad lim here.
Also maybe ND, but I'm not sure if I have enough scum vibes to lim here.

I wanted the DGM wagon to be a thing to see how people reacted but sadly that was ruined.

[VFP]

This to me felt like koba going "told you he was town" like they said before we limmed T3... You can't stroll up an hour before deadline with TMI going "yeah he's flipping town, I hate this wagon" it was either we limmed T3 or limmed no one, like I don't regret it

I agree with this.
Andante, I'm so glad you're town!

I'm not trusting many players right now, and it's their fault, not mine!

[VFP]

Deadline: 4 days, 6 hours, 20 minutes.


friends... 4 days left... uhhh we need a direction to go lmao I don't think we've heard from Art or DMG today, and Robert hasn't been too helpful. Like, I sred DMG's d1, but ideally I give them a chance to defend, but like, there's 2 of them (I think they said that) and neither can be here?? interesting

At this point I'm okay with any of those slots.
I do think Flea, Dk, and Flow are all town.

DMG might have flaked.
Robert is activley avoiding do anything
Art is activley not posting all game anyway
ND could be scum, but at least they are doing something.

STD I'll follow you with for now.
Yessiree I get more town tells than scum.

Running DMG and Art up until they post or get replaced does nothing. At least we can try and get Robert to give something or lim them.

[VFP]

so VFP scum??

I don't think it's possible for me to be scum here.

[VFP]

it's like, I don't see an art/dmg sub providing any new insightful content in 4 days... Robert has had since the night to prepare, and Robert has like nothing for us...

I think scum are content. Maybe there's 1 scum posting, but why give anything (Robert) when town have noting to go by?

[VFP]

Either that or Robert got a scum card and just feels uninterested in the game.

[VFP]

Redacted

[VFP]

wtf, how did it post here?

@Raya

Please can you remove?

[VFP]

I was offering several alternatives approaching the deadline and yall "settled" there.
How about yall chase the conveniently afk ppl who parked there?

If it helps, I would have hammered anyone.

[VFP]

Hi A50 and Math.

[VFP]

VOTE: NDmath

[VFP]

I won't eliminate Math today.
ND, sure.

Math will actually do something with that slot, which I want to give a chance to get a read.

I can also lim Robert still.

I'm not sure if A50 and Math have been told, but Flow is claiming Friendly Neibour.
Flow is probably scum but I'm giving benefit of the doubt to prove this.
I've also requested that of we have a Watcher they sit on Flow to either confirm a scum or town here. This is to prevent an "oh no I was RB" situation. I'll give up a Watcher for scum.
Andante is town. Flea town. Dk town.

[VFP]

Where is this claim?

Cause I am FN

This is where I saw it. I'm not sure if Flow claimed before or not though.

[VFP]

Math has until tomorrow to vote properly!

[VFP]

VFP says they won’t eliminate me today.
Then they say “I have until tomorrow to vote properly”.

I think it was clear that is wasn't serious. But the fact you are trying to over react this isn't looking good on your end so far.

I am trying to figure out why VFP is townblock ing so badly and just spamming readslists rather than hunting.

If you read my ISO you will see this.
Don't be lazy Math, either read it all or don't try to build a case around parts that your favour.

[VFP]

Yessiree (3): NDMath, Robert M Hunter, Save The Dragons

This is what a scum wagon looks like.

[VFP]

I take you mean a scum "driven" wagon? Do you have cases aside from them voting Yessiree?

I did. I can't remember them other than the Robert slot.
Robert has been scum posting since joining in and just avoiding questions to not do anything.

I have a small town pile. Outside of that, most players are just being scummy.

[VFP]

A50 is DMG.
Math is Art.

Art seemed pretty town.
DGM was town but I had pings from it.

If A50 is scum, I'm sure it show. Completed game of A50 scum he didn't do anything and apparently is just his meta as scum.

[VFP]

I caught you in a contradiction

And I am reading in real-time versus ISOs.

Small town pile my ass. Your ISO last I left off is all the alive players almost

Iron, meet knee.

[VFP]

Yes. If you look at the context I said I was reading real time versus in-depth ISOs. Your ISO up to that point has been nothing but reads lists. Why are you stretching so hard versus looking at your town block and seeing who is scummy and whether it’s still valid, unless of course I am right and it’s a who sucks up to you list?

I think ill add you into the pile with Dk and Flow for now of ignoring in game until I see something.
If you want to question a read then do so. I obviously have no idea where you are currently upto in my ISO so for you to be using it as an argument I suggest you read it all first.

There's a clear point that shows that my VFP block wasn't serious, where I even say that and I even comment on how it was handled in a minor way.
I'm sure you will go with "caught scum convenient joke hehahehiho!" But there was no pressure on me and no reason to do so.

As I said, if you're going to pretend to be proactive but be lazy overall, then I'm not going to put the effort into discussing why I'm right or wrong.

It will also make me want to just ignore any case you have on anyone because I won't trust your interests as either alignment.

I do find it strange you have jumped off voting me so easily though when I have given you nothing yet.

[VFP]

If you’re entire town block is a joke then your entire ISO is a joke. Your ISO (from where I am at) is nothing but that “joke”. And you’ve been focused on defending yourself versus poking scum.

Would you prefer the human sized Teddy or a gold fish?

[VFP]

Like, wtf, guys? Do you think I would explocotly say I don't care about this game if I was scum who replaced into a team that -so far- has not lost a single member??

I mean, you said something along the lines of this in 2194 draft mafia and was scum.

[VFP]

VOTE: A50

I'll also hammer anyone outside of Andante, Math, Flow (until tomorrow), and Dk.

[VFP]

L1, you're the hammer.

[VFP]

Thats fine, if you're not proven tomorrow we lim you anyway.

[VFP]

You just hammered town btw.

[VFP]

Doesn't matter, I was scum with all the names in 2132 anyway.

[VFP]

Probably not.
Anyway I'm ready to end the day and get into the night.

So someone hammer unless A50 wants to claim.

[VFP]

If I'm a watcher, I'll be on you like a hawk tonight, Flow!

[VFP]

Andante, it's time to vote!

[VFP]

I would hammer if I wasn't confident of Yessiree town (or possibly my scum buddy)

[VFP]

if yesiree flips town im unclearing andante and believing more that flow is the one who got desperado'd bc NM played against scum flow recently and we were scumreading him here too

Nah Andante is town and will be the scum kill tonight.

[VFP]

VOTE: DkKoba

I'll trade if ND is scum.
Dk is always the lim today but get anything.you need to off you're chests.

[VFP]

VOTE: DkKoba

I'll trade if ND is scum.
Dk is always the lim today but get anything.you need to off you're chests.

i mean do u townread me or do u townread ND - this is the question here.

there is no need to waste an elim on a floundering slot who decided to try to take me down with them since ive been pushing them since early on and already cased them based on the depth of their reads.

Before today you're town over ND.
However, I will always trade a town for scum in claims that aren't required. So I'm probably not the best person to try and convince here.

ND has no reason to call you out in particular. Its obvious that they are a Watcher (or if scum the team have a watcher). Unless CC I have lack of reason to dis believe it other than suspected to be the lim today. But that's down to end of comments yesterday.

I'll give the day a re read tomorrow though and see from there.

[VFP]

UNVOTE: DkKoba

I have a busy day at work but I'll give it a proper look when done / tomorrow.

[VFP]

you keep saying this... there's literally no guarantee we have a watcher

If me and Dk are scum together then ND is 100% a Watcher.

If I were scum I would have killed Flow for the record.
Mainly to see if it clears not having a Watcher to use as an advantage.
If Dk said no to me in scum chat I'd call them chicken and they would go along with it.
This would have back fired on us, but in the long run we tried a risky play.

It is actually highly likely that me and Dk are scum buddies here. I will be willing to sacrifice my buddy before me as well.

[VFP]

Dk if you feed my ego and tell me that I've been a great player this game ill lock vote ND right now!

[VFP]

I'm feeling like you're scum regardless of which of them is scum...

Yeah but I'd be the PR scum so my buddy will take the hit for me.

[VFP]

Oh so Dk is going for the me scum path.
That makes it easier for me then, I might as well go for the mis lim / bus.

VOTE: DkKoba

[VFP]

If wrong we lose a VT.
If wrong on ND we lose a Watcher

The 1 for 1 makes sense as Dk first.

You lost a potential ally today Dk!

[VFP]

Bad town that's going to lim you out of existence!
We won't even remember your name tomorrow while everyone here will be cheering mine!

[VFP]

See, I think the opposit... rush the lim to stop your lies!
I'm always willing to have this pushed as scum theatre.

[VFP]

I would have looked into it, put on my tin foil hat and probably defended you.
But you just had to go and push at me as scum, didn't you?

[VFP]

i dont care if ur ego is hurt bc i said you might be scum off an interaction i saw on d1 that i didnt like and wanted to consider because i want to solve and close off the poe bc we are reaching 1 scum left endgame.

My ego is hurt and no amount of care will fix it

[VFP]

I'm sorry but that bike you're riding, doesn't pedal backwards!

[VFP]

like look at it from my pov - you had a reads list like that considering my 2 scum confirmed from my pov it looks suspicious to me on day 1

You should be more worried if I'm right with that logic.

[VFP]

i do not understand why u are so suddenly defensive about this unless u know 100% im flipping town

Yes, this is the reason!
Just keep breaking my heart there Dk! I can't even look at you right now!

[VFP]

1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating.
I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you has this way with yourself.

You know what to say and when to say.
You are only in the situation because a Watcher gave you a guilty. Let's remember that.

[VFP]

do you have anything to say about who is last scum btw?

No I forgot my reads to be honest.
I'm letting town carry me.

[VFP]

robert's staying in there, but there's a free spot rn and i would hate to have to ask people to vote you if you're alive and its lylo after a theoretical town!robert flip.

Well I would have lim Robert but no one seemed interested.
Missed the train there.

I would have lim ND as well yesterday but also missed the train!

[VFP]

do you trust mathblade?

As town? Yes
To follow? No

[VFP]

I forget most of what happened yesterday.
I think yessiree was town though.

[VFP]

weird why not follow? after he hardpushed the wagon very early on a now flipped scum?

I've played far too many games with Math to blindly follow.
It's no discredit to Math at all either.

[VFP]

Yessiree (3): NDMath, Robert M Hunter, Save The Dragons

This is what a scum wagon looks like.

this is what i quoted before vfp im pretty sure and said that this analysis pings town for you bc of the fact it calls out a confscum and the top POE person.

Oh, maybe I was right there.
I remember that post.

Well if you're town, scouts honour I go for ND then Robert.

[VFP]

but this game they literally already got 1 scum and i helped and he is townreading me here

As I said, I've played enough with Math.
Math is just in my lim pile.

Did you know, last time me and Math played together, after scum was found Math wanted to push me as scum after I gave them NK immune and they were already more or less confirmed town (no lim possibility). And it was obvious that my bus driver action was involved in having a Mafia night kill themselves.
Who does that as scum? But yet Math was having me as scum.

This is an example to why I don't always trust Maths lead unless I have a good opinion on it too.

[VFP]

As I said, I've played enough with Math.
Math is just in my lim pile.

Never*

[VFP]

@ND do something so I can either scum read you and move to you or keep my vote. The ball is in your court.
Ignoring this I'll just vote you

There you go Dk, I'm a willing person.

[VFP]

Must be even harder as scum!

[VFP]

5) Flea might be scum.

[VFP]

I think I know who the last scum is.
In fact I am 100% sure because of a particular post day 1.

I will show the post tomorrow where we lim the last scum

[VFP]

VOTE: NDmath

[VFP]

I think we mass claim today.

[VFP]

Me
Yessiree
Robert
Andante
Dragon

Any objections?

[VFP]

Seems most are fine with it.

I'm VT.