open 841: concgratulations to the winners and losers

[Andante]

I didn't realize there's be so much talk about numbers lol Also, I'm surprised no one else picked 2

[Andante]

I am more comfortable placing a vote on someone I've played with, and that leaves me to vote skitter over Andante. I don't know anything about Andante, but skitter had a high level of intentionality in Trust Fall, so I am comfortable voting her first.

I was laughing at this, like, whether you know me or not, doesn't change whether I'm scum. Especially if you're going on this long speech about how certain numbers are more likely scum than others, like wouldn't it make more sense to rxn test the person you don't know? Cause if you know skitter, you'll know how skitter reacts, me? I hate any sort of pressure.

idk, just a thought, like, I don't understand going "A or B" "idk A, so I'm going with B" cause personally, I'd pick the unknown over know just to start gauging their reaction, cause if I don't know someone, I'd love to get a read on them

[Andante]

How do people know which numbers others "always" choose? Asking for a friend

[Andante]

the struggle when you have general setup questions, but asking here will just make people go "dumb questions!!!" "Trying to dumbtell!!"

[Andante]

FLOW!!!! LONG TIME NO SEE OMG!!!! HIIIIII

[Andante]

I hope you're town this time

[Andante]

the struggle when you have general setup questions, but asking here will just make people go "dumb questions!!!" "Trying to dumbtell!!"

update on the plan: I'm just gonna wing it and fake it till I make it

[Andante]

A lot of these people have played with each other before (i actually think i've played with almost everyone in this pl)
But i didnt know there were 'always' numbers

So the comment about "scum team has someone who knows the "always" numbers"... kinda seems more suspicious to me now not gonna lie, like, scum definitely talked about numbers/whatnot, I sat here, looked at how the heck you're supposed to play this, went "ehh sure 2" and moved on, I don't really see town caring too much about their number? idk but if you've played with them, didn't know about the always numbers... it just kinda shows at least you didn't go into some detailed analysis over who is choosing what... so it kinda makes me tr you.

lol yeah, I wanna say skitter town, and I think it's dats who made the comment (could be wrong on who) so dats is suspicious, just gotta keep an eye there

[Andante]

lol yeah, I wanna say skitter town, and I think it's dats who made the comment (could be wrong on who) so dats is suspicious, just gotta keep an eye there

this post is such a mess, i genuinely have no clue what you're even accusing me of. mind clarifying?

mmmm nah not yet, just gonna let time go by and see if I tr/sr you

[Andante]

skitter is town though!!!

[Andante]

VOTE: sircakez

[Andante]

skitter is town though!!!

skitter has 1 s, but also has 2 ts so this is prolly right :>

what made you pick 9? There's 8 letters in flow trap.... I don't believe you're town... I believe someone told you to pick 9 my friend

[Andante]

the struggle when you have general setup questions, but asking here will just make people go "dumb questions!!!" "Trying to dumbtell!!"

update on the plan: I'm just gonna wing it and fake it till I make it

Good idea, I will too

What setup questions do you have (Andante/flow)?

too many to ask here lol

[Andante]

skitter is town though!!!

skitter has 1 s, but also has 2 ts so this is prolly right :>

what made you pick 9? There's 8 letters in flow trap.... I don't believe you're town... I believe someone told you to pick 9 my friend

I just looked at the bottom 3 games on the wiki and saw 9 was only picked once

I didn't know it was a thing, looked at one.. picked once yes... by Something_Smart... who also happens to be in this game.. sounds suspicious to me

[Andante]

skitter is town though!!!

skitter has 1 s, but also has 2 ts so this is prolly right :>

what made you pick 9? There's 8 letters in flow trap.... I don't believe you're town... I believe someone told you to pick 9 my friend

Also Andante: *Immediately votes with me*

yeah what's wrong with that? think of yourself as a double voter!!

[Andante]

skitter is town though!!!

skitter has 1 s, but also has 2 ts so this is prolly right :>

what made you pick 9? There's 8 letters in flow trap.... I don't believe you're town... I believe someone told you to pick 9 my friend

I just looked at the bottom 3 games on the wiki and saw 9 was only picked once

I didn't know it was a thing, looked at one.. picked once yes... by Something_Smart... who also happens to be in this game.. sounds suspicious to me

You should know I'm lazy and would only look at the numbers

hahaha I was half like, flow would probably look at it and go "Something_Smart chose 9... let me choose 9!!!" hahahaha that's funny though, going through the work of "what number is never chosen" picks a number with someone XD

[Andante]

VOTE: innocentvillager

[Andante]

Also, given the meme/fun numbers of the last set’s iteration and this one, scum team’s probably taking it seriously/coordinating what they do together more than an average team might.

Imagine being serious

party in scum chat!! woooooo

[Andante]

i mean, my point was that flow trap is unlikely to be scum period, not that they're unlikely to be s/s with s_s. so i am curious where is that interpretation coming from.

I misinterpreted you then and probably replaced your thoughts with my own (I was thinking similar things because I also noticed SS always picked 9).
I don’t think the any of the pairings decide to pick same as scum except for maybe for the two 1s.

You think only scum picked 1?

[Andante]

Oh no I’m sorry

*this gal

lol it's fine! also I've noticed you say "im sorry" in like every post... stop being sorry!!! have fun! find scum!

[Andante]

Flow this game: "9 is rarely picked, I think I'll pick it"
Something_Smart this game: "no one ever picks 9, I'll pick it!"
Me: "uhhh 2 sounds good"

hahahaha I still find it funny I was on top when I put no thought into my number

[Andante]

VOTE: sleepless assassin

Why this of all the options.

They haven't made any towny posts

LOL guilty until proven innocent?

[Andante]

VOTE: sleepless assassin

Why this of all the options.

They haven't made any towny posts

LOL guilty until proven innocent?

Less innocent until proven innocent; process of elimination

Ahhhh got it, we're all innocent

[Andante]

Like Datisi u actually think I’m scum here or?

by now? not really. i've been skimming this game but everything is kinda getting blurred together and i have no thoughts, so. will try again later.

hm maybe ur town lol idk

I don't really sr dats at the moment lol

[Andante]

That is unironically close to how I work

Same, I'm only good at townreading

what happens when you tr everyone?

[Andante]

That is unironically close to how I work

Same, I'm only good at townreading

what happens when you tr everyone?

Selfvote time

LOL "ok, everyone here is town. time to just selfvote! I must be the scum!"

[Andante]

i'm still somewhat suspicious of catboi's 21

easy solution:
@catboi, why did you pick 21?

[Andante]

That is unironically close to how I work

Same, I'm only good at townreading

what happens when you tr everyone?

Selfvote time

LOL "ok, everyone here is town. time to just selfvote! I must be the scum!"

My scale usually goes from scum lean to strong town with the occasional scum read :3

oooh scum lean isn't a townread...
I'm just (Will sort later) (scum lean) (town lean) (lock town) and everyone is in one of the 4 categories. if scum makes it to lock town... rip town

[Andante]

The first 5 pages of this game are shockingly unhelpful in providing anything for a read

why did you pick 21?

[Andante]

The first 5 pages of this game are shockingly unhelpful in providing anything for a read

why did you pick 21?

I dont know what kind of answer you are expecting?

the truth

[Andante]

The first 5 pages of this game are shockingly unhelpful in providing anything for a read

why did you pick 21?

I dont know what kind of answer you are expecting?

the truth

Why did you pick 2?

it's a good number

[Andante]

ok don’t actually do it please

But

How bad is massclaim in this setup

I kind of entertained the idea briefly but I have no idea how to do mech

Terrible idea but probably town for entertaining it at all, scum don't usually propose mass claim and risk the blowback

I SRed this btw, I do not see how asking for a mass claim helps anything. If I claim infinite vig here, I could be town or scum, I won't be CCed, it literally does nothing to help us, PRs won't be CCed

[Andante]

also, how funny would it be if I said I wanted to be VT? I may or may not have done that...

[Andante]

also, how funny would it be if I said I wanted to be VT? I may or may not have done that...

Wow, you went for the alignment change, I see

hahaha yep! "I'd like to request changing sides, don't worry I won't tell town flow is scum"

[Andante]

ok don’t actually do it please

But

How bad is massclaim in this setup

I kind of entertained the idea briefly but I have no idea how to do mech

Terrible idea but probably town for entertaining it at all, scum don't usually propose mass claim and risk the blowback

I SRed this btw, I do not see how asking for a mass claim helps anything. If I claim infinite vig here, I could be town or scum, I won't be CCed, it literally does nothing to help us, PRs won't be CCed

Doesn't "help" but the mindset is almost always town driven because scum are never going to be so bold as to suggest the idea if they believe it to be a pro-scum move, as doing so just draws negative attention to them and is unlikely to get cooperation. Way more likely to get floated by town who are trying to experiment - don't think I've ever seen scum propose it, actually. (day 1 mass is more viable in a cosed setup, in here it's pointless and bad)

Look at the motivations, not whether the suggestion is helpful/unhelpful

ehhh I'm not sure I'd say only town would do it, idk innocentvillager at all, but they're striking me at the kind of person who genuinely wants to know about a massclaim here, and would ask it as town/scum like, anytime I ask setup questions/how to play, I'd ask those exact same questions as either alignment. Could also just be partly that I don't TR innocentvillager yet, and they have so many posts so ehhh idk

[Andante]

lol Flow is town ok

what makes you tr flow?

[Andante]

i have no clue what skitter sees in those posts that is townie, but considering i have been wrong like twice on how i thought town!skitter reads me, i will shrug my shoulders and say "i guess?"

I agree on a few of those for being town points for you, especially 166 (I believe it was that one) I read it and was like, ok, maybe not scum.. just gonna back off dats

[Andante]

midwaybear is town lol

Please tell

midwaybear is town :3

VOTE: midwaybear

this seems p townie to me lol

also theyre just vibing

And they called me town so

That's enough for you to TR? flow hasn't actually done anything other than random vote/joke around... I'm not saying they're scum, but like, I'm not comfortable calling them town yet

[Andante]

How is it townie.

scum don’t like to contradict themselves

have you not seen flow sit here and just vote half the table?

[Andante]

ok don’t actually do it please

But

How bad is massclaim in this setup

I kind of entertained the idea briefly but I have no idea how to do mech

Terrible idea but probably town for entertaining it at all, scum don't usually propose mass claim and risk the blowback

I SRed this btw, I do not see how asking for a mass claim helps anything. If I claim infinite vig here, I could be town or scum, I won't be CCed, it literally does nothing to help us, PRs won't be CCed

Doesn't "help" but the mindset is almost always town driven because scum are never going to be so bold as to suggest the idea if they believe it to be a pro-scum move, as doing so just draws negative attention to them and is unlikely to get cooperation. Way more likely to get floated by town who are trying to experiment - don't think I've ever seen scum propose it, actually. (day 1 mass is more viable in a cosed setup, in here it's pointless and bad)

Look at the motivations, not whether the suggestion is helpful/unhelpful

ehhh I'm not sure I'd say only town would do it, idk innocentvillager at all, but they're striking me at the kind of person who genuinely wants to know about a massclaim here, and would ask it as town/scum like, anytime I ask setup questions/how to play, I'd ask those exact same questions as either alignment. Could also just be partly that I don't TR innocentvillager yet, and they have so many posts so ehhh idk

ok why was it scum indicative originally then to you?

Cause the way you asked, it wasn't like you genuinely saw the benefit in claiming. I'm pretty dang clueless about a lot of this setup, but it's clear maf isn't gonna CC stuff, one quick glance at the setup page says that... I feel like if you were genuinely curions about a massclaim you'd have been like
"I was wondering about a massclaim, I know roles aren't gonna be cced, but I was wondering if that helped here or not"

idk, something about how you asked then moved on, it didn't feel like it was coming from a town mindset

[Andante]

How is it townie.

scum don’t like to contradict themselves

have you not seen flow sit here and just vote half the table?

This is starting to feel like a push from scum, because I only voted 2 people?

no no!!! I don't sr you yet, but going "scum don't like to contradict themselves" uhhh has innocent not been watching you just vote and move on?

[Andante]

I AM NOT BENDING THE TRUTH FLOW

[Andante]

I DO NOT SR YOU AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME.

[Andante]

How is it townie.

scum don’t like to contradict themselves

have you not seen flow sit here and just vote half the table?

This is starting to feel like a push from scum, because I only voted 2 people?

no no!!! I don't sr you yet, but going "scum don't like to contradict themselves" uhhh has innocent not been watching you just vote and move on?

This is a very weird tone shift after I pushed back

feels a lot like you trying to pivot your voters on to me....
meanwhile I'm over here SRing innocentvillager

[Andante]

well ok the benefits of a massclaim are to lock scum into a claim and I think their picks say a lot about their priorities and stuff

We have draft info too

We can read into this kind of stuff and share what we all put in for the draft etc and unravel the whole auction

It’s not completely dumb

See, here's what I don't like, your 27th post in this game was "how bad is a massclaim" after about 20 posts of "let me defend why I picked the number I picked" like, something feels VERY off here, and I think the simple answer is just, you're not town. Like, you asked about massclaim, jumped straight into making "reads". Something feels very off.

[Andante]

feels a lot like you trying to pivot your voters on to me....

Jokes on you, I don't even remember who's on me

ok, can you like, being serious for 2 seconds, tell me thoughts on innocentvillager

[Andante]

feels a lot like you trying to pivot your voters on to me....
meanwhile I'm over here SRing innocentvillager

You've said more about me being scum than IV being town

Ok, if I remember correctly, last time I thought you were town, you ended up being mafia... thus I'm putting you off till later to actually read, plus I think I sr innocentvillager. feels too early to have a legit sr, but I think I have a legit sr here

[Andante]

I’m not really sure why all that feels off tho?

It feels like you spent a lot of time going "hey look!! I picked 10!! tr me" and I mean, when I ask genuine questions, I care about the answer/getting an answer, sounds like you didn't care what people said in response to a massclaim, as if you already knew the answer you'd get, like why jump into "reads" (I'm not even sure I'd call those reads... too many for how little content there was) when you want to know about massclaiming?? doesn't make sense to me

[Andante]

*opens game*

yeah, andante is town

*closes game*

NO NO!!! KEEP GAME OPEN!!! I think innocentvillager is scum, and I need people to tell me I'm on to something or need to just let it go.

[Andante]

andante u are ruining the plan for me to get nightkilled so they don’t hit a pr n1

Why would you get nightkilled?

[Andante]

ya andante feels town I’d be very impressed if she was scum here

I’m not really sure why all that feels off tho? Yes that seems like a reasonable summary of some things I’ve done and I don’t really see the issue with any of it..?

*opens game*

yeah, andante is town

*closes game*

Eh, why to this? I don't have feelings there at all yet really

Can I hear your thoughts on innocentvillager? I literally don't care if you tr me or not

[Andante]

feels a lot like you trying to pivot your voters on to me....

Jokes on you, I don't even remember who's on me

ok, can you like, being serious for 2 seconds, tell me thoughts on innocentvillager

Spoiler:

VOTE: Faker obvtown

Voting someone you deem obvtown seems more like a town thing

Datisi you seem kind of salty about me being confirmed town

Same with declaring self conftown (even as a joke)

IV why do you seem self-conscious about your number.

No one else picked it

THEREFORE I’m a genus

I’m just flexing let me have my moment ok

This seems like proud town

i just picked a number that I thought was under picked

don’t think many people have picked 10 if not ever in the games I saw

Dunno this just sounds weirdly vulnerable compared to your posts so far.

Shrug.

well everyone was talking about their numbers and picks and shit and I wanted to jump into the discussion

for example, I thought it was unlikely scum chose both 8 and 9, but knowing SS always chooses 9 I may need to rethink this thought a little

pedit: skitter dw I’m obvtown

Jumping into discussion and rethinking upon new info is a town thing to do (Also, obvtown thing again)

skitter is town though!!!

skitter has 1 s, but also has 2 ts so this is prolly right :>

2/3 chance at town so 1/3 chance at scum?

I’m down!

VOTE:

This seems a little too careless for scum to do

ok don’t actually do it please

But

How bad is massclaim in this setup

I kind of entertained the idea briefly but I have no idea how to do mech

Already discussed this, I think it's more NAI

It was a meme response but not really a meme sentiment I have about u :3

Datisi we’ve had enough reps at this lol you have to expect this every time

This type of thing usually comes from town, even if it isn't accurate

hmmmm a towncase on my strong sr.... I don't exactly agree with all of what you're saying, I guess I'll just let others talk/whatnot and revisit this later, but I will say I'm not convinced innocentvillager is town here, also, it feels like you went back through with this conf town viewpoint?? so ehhh you don't sr anything? it's all "town this. town that." kinda odd...

[Andante]

I’m not really sure why all that feels off tho?

It feels like you spent a lot of time going "hey look!! I picked 10!! tr me" and I mean, when I ask genuine questions, I care about the answer/getting an answer, sounds like you didn't care what people said in response to a massclaim, as if you already knew the answer you'd get, like why jump into "reads" (I'm not even sure I'd call those reads... too many for how little content there was) when you want to know about massclaiming?? doesn't make sense to me

I have a lot of random thoughts and I just post them as they come to me

Massclaim was a fleeting thought I had Over the night that I didn’t think people would approve really but idk it was a thought I had it was never like a serious thing I wanted to push

And yeah I had some early tonal reads as well so I thought I’d share those as well

I’m not really too sure what else to say here I don’t feel any of this is that wrird

> I have a lot of random thoughts and I just post them as they come to me
- as do I, which is why it stands out so much to me, I just feel like town wouldn't give the random thought then completely ignore it

> Massclaim was a fleeting thought I had Over the night that I didn’t think people would approve really but idk it was a thought I had it was never like a serious thing I wanted to push
- So if you didn't think people would want to do it, and never seriously wanted to push for it. why even say it? Like could've just been like "guessing massclaim is a no?" it feels like you genuinely wanted someone to run with it.

>And yeah I had some early tonal reads as well so I thought I’d share those as well
-yeah, I don't mind early reads, but you didn't say anything about like "quick tonal reads on people:" it was like a distraction from the fact you just suggested massclaim. I ignore any and all early reads given like yours were, like name and tr/sr means nothing. even just giving a post number which influenced your read would've been good to give us like a "here's why I'm leaning this way already"

[Andante]

NO NO!!! KEEP GAME OPEN!!! I think innocentvillager is scum, and I need people to tell me I'm on to something or need to just let it go.

I'm on the side of telling you to let it go

for now.... lol I'll let stuff play out and then be back, gut is telling me innocentvillager isn't town, and I rarely get those kinds of reads this early....

[Andante]

My dream role is a specific 3rd party so I'm sad :<

lol my dream role is VT easiest role ever and no responsibilities

[Andante]

The first 5 pages of this game are shockingly unhelpful in providing anything for a read

Really? I found post 6 quite helpful.

On other specific things u said

Am I obligated to immediately follow up on every random thought on give? and does it make me scum when I don’t?

am I not allowed to share a thought I have without a very specific purpose? and does it make me scum when I don’t?

no no!! feel free to just resume playing as you were, my issue is around that massclaim thing, I mean I say a whole lot of random stuff and ramble about stuff, just keep playing however you want!! I'll revisit my read on you later

[Andante]

well ok the benefits of a massclaim are to lock scum into a claim and I think their picks say a lot about their priorities and stuff

We have draft info too

We can read into this kind of stuff and share what we all put in for the draft etc and unravel the whole auction

It’s not completely dumb

See, here's what I don't like, your 27th post in this game was "how bad is a massclaim" after about 20 posts of "let me defend why I picked the number I picked" like, something feels VERY off here, and I think the simple answer is just, you're not town. Like, you asked about massclaim, jumped straight into making "reads". Something feels very off.

oh yeah it was this post

this seemed a bit too effort-y for scum who's faking reads early

That is reasonable, probably more nuance than she has in her scum game

ok, you already have me as a sr? you don't have to tr me, but like, a sr??

[Andante]

Am I obligated to immediately follow up on every random thought on give?

Spoiler:

Y

Spoiler:

e

Spoiler:

llow

lmaoooo you and your spoilers

[Andante]

andante is like blindingly town and I don’t know how she does it tbh

lol I'm pretty similar to this as scum not gonna lie, late game is where I know the big differences are, and you're not doing too bad. I applaud the effort of giving "reads" so early I'd be town leaning you if there was reasoning with it, and not just a list... but it's alright. thanks for the compliment! adding it to my scum resume
"blindingly town in open 841" - innocent villager

[Andante]

I love this game so much!!!

[Andante]

I love this game so much!!!

I'm in it

hahaha that's definitely a factor, it has been way too long since I've been in a flow game basically a whole year!!!

[Andante]

andante is like blindingly town and I don’t know how she does it tbh

lol I'm pretty similar to this as scum not gonna lie, late game is where I know the big differences are, and you're not doing too bad. I applaud the effort of giving "reads" so early I'd be town leaning you if there was reasoning with it, and not just a list... but it's alright. thanks for the compliment! adding it to my scum resume
"blindingly town in open 841" - innocent villager

Bruh

bruh

[Andante]

i mean ur also gonna die soon because of ur townieness and ur obviously a pr and if u don’t that’s basically a scumclaim for u and I’ll have to cry my eyes out by that point

cant die if I'm bulletproof

[Andante]

I'm bulletproof, nothing to lose
Fire away, fire away
Ricochet, you take your aim
Fire away, fire away
You shoot me down, but I won't fall
I am titanium

[Andante]

I love this game so much!!!

I'm in it

hahaha that's definitely a factor, it has been way too long since I've been in a flow game basically a whole year!!!

Its been months since I've played

welcome back!!! happy holidays!! lets catch some mafia

[Andante]

Yeah there's no way I can read all this any time soon.

V/LA until Thursday

uhhh this thread will at least triple in size by thursday...

[Andante]

Yeah there's no way I can read all this any time soon.

V/LA until Thursday

uhhh this thread will at least triple in size by thursday...

at the rate you're posting at the thread size will triple by dinner

I don't even have the highest postcount

[Andante]

If we could only vote in skitter/catboi, I'd vote cat. skitter is townier, not sure why there's a skitter vote now

[Andante]

Yeah there's no way I can read all this any time soon.

V/LA until Thursday

uhhh this thread will at least triple in size by thursday...

at the rate you're posting at the thread size will triple by dinner

I don't even have the highest postcount

I will be #1 come hell or high water

Challenge accepted!

[Andante]

good thing datisi picked #1 too otherwise I'd probly get NK'd early and won't be able to seize the top post count throne

see, that's probably how you beat me, unless we...

VOTE: Pooky

[Andante]

If we could only vote in skitter/catboi, I'd vote cat. skitter is townier, not sure why there's a skitter vote now

skitter looks townier because she’s good

Don’t let it fool you

if you agree skitter looks towny, why are you voting her?

[Andante]

good thing datisi picked #1 too otherwise I'd probly get NK'd early and won't be able to seize the top post count throne

see, that's probably how you beat me, unless we...

VOTE: Pooky

wow so it's going to be like that huh

Just jokes!!!
VOTE: InnocentVillager
This is actually scum

[Andante]

if you agree skitter looks towny, why are you voting her?

it feels like you missed half the conversation

uhh I'm not sure how I missed half, I do know I read catboi lines that I didn't TR sooo cat is a scum lean for now

[Andante]

also uhhh the sleepless thing "this is too much to read. see yall thursday" uhhh what?? there's like no content in that... it's not hard to skim..

[Andante]

Spoiler: cb/skitter fight summary for those who r too lazy to read

ahhh very helpful. thanks for clearing it up!

[Andante]

If we could only vote in skitter/catboi, I'd vote cat. skitter is townier, not sure why there's a skitter vote now

Why would you be looking between us in the first place?

well I'm not voting you yet, and IV voted skitter, after I read lines from you that really felt like scum to me, so your name was on my mind

[Andante]

If we could only vote in skitter/catboi, I'd vote cat. skitter is townier, not sure why there's a skitter vote now

Why would you be looking between us in the first place?

imagine asking andante questions that involve "why"

hey now!!! what's that supposed to mean.. I can answer "why" questions!!

[Andante]

lol to talk as the draft was happening, at least the number part

[Andante]

3/3 gg

[Andante]

lol to talk as the draft was happening, at least the number part

I would've fought Datisi for #1 ez

if I'd have known it was a huge thing, I'd have picked 1 for lols with yall

[Andante]

I don't actually know what I was hoping to get out of that I'm going to go log off for a bit

a good time? if that's the case, don't leave! you can never leave!

[Andante]

Andante: 2
skitter30: 3
midwaybear: 5
Mare: 6
innocentvillager: 10
SirCakez: 12
Faker: 14
catboi: 21
PookyTheMagicalBear: 1 + coin flip victory
Datisi: 1
northsidegal: 8 + coin flip victory
Sleepless Assassin: 8
flow trap: 9 + coin flip victory
Something_Smart: 9.


mb sircakes? flow trap?

If we're going off numbers alone, Mare/northsidegal/Sleepless is probably a 2/3

[Andante]

I'll add that to my resume! Thanks Pooky!

[Andante]

lol I hate pagetops, so feel free to take them all

[Andante]

hahahhahaha

[Andante]

umm I'll probably head out soon, but I'm sure I have a high postcount this game, I'm having too much fun

[Andante]

It's just iv joking around

I mean I do that as Town more so biased

I feel like you do it as both alignments

[Andante]

I'm sad I couldn't become a day vig... that would be so much fun

[Andante]

flow is on their phone lol

[Andante]

Wait why does that happen

she must've installed malware on your phone

LOL of course not!!! I would do no such thing

[Andante]

flow is on their phone lol

andante a stalker confirmed

Anda can read confirmed

Pooky can not read confirmed

[Andante]

Pooky can not read confirmed

Imagine reading

wouldn't be me

Who reads games? #1 postcount is all that matters

[Andante]

I'm sad I couldn't become a day vig... that would be so much fun

I'm sorry I am boring

1s loyal dayvig instead of PGO would be interesting tbh

What's a PGO? I know it was a role to choose. IS IT SOMETHING THAT SHOOTS DURRING THE DAY????

[Andante]

hey now!!! what's that supposed to mean.. I can answer "why" questions!!

Why would you do that?

lol I see what you're doing...

[Andante]

ok cool, I was like, I swear if you say this thing shoots during the day, and I DIDN'T PICK IT??? I'd have been sad... that's the only thing that's better than a VT

[Andante]

omg just found a role on that list I wanted lol I seriously should've like actually read roles instead of going "Can I just be VT?" hahahahaha

[Andante]

OMG The Paranoid Gun Owner passively (and involuntarily) kills anyone who targets it during the Night. hahahahahaha I should've picked that

[Andante]

lol flow... mobile is the best!! hopefully you can get your computer fixed soon!! I hate mobile maf

[Andante]

lol when schadd looks at the thread for a VC... "wtf?? 23+ pages??? game just started..."

[Andante]

OMG The Paranoid Gun Owner passively (and involuntarily) kills anyone who targets it during the Night. hahahahahaha I should've picked that

My phone is sus can we vote it off

Spoiler:

VOTE: Phone

we can yeet the one that's part wolf and call it a day? That works for me

[Andante]

pooky and catboi scum theater for 3 pages?

[Andante]

who's getting pagetop....

[Andante]

that's the real question

[Andante]

not pooky

[Andante]

you're welcome!

[Andante]

now you're out of luck

[Andante]

tbh I like when I'm the reason thread explodes, makes it super easy to catch weak scum, if others blow it up.... not so fun catching up

[Andante]

I'll write out my initial suspicions of catboi after dinner, but there was definitely something with his reads on me that I was initially like "what is he doing??" so you might be on to something skitter

[Andante]

Scum theater. But, I feel like I'm getting too conf biased (around your slot) because I really think you are scum. I'm starting to build a narrative that makes you scum regardless of other alignments(nsg/skitter), and I don't think that is very good. Maybe you are scum, but I don't want to tunnel at this point.

This post. feels too much like something scum would say. like a "ok.. backing off on my push on you.. cause I know you're town... and this isn't working for me" those are definitely the vibes I get from that post.

[Andante]

on the subject, what's your impression of how you've played this game? do you think you've played towny, scummy, neutral / you've been playing resembling your typical towngame / scumgame?

i think i've been playing scummy, but my play so far here doesn't really resemble either of my typical towngames or scumgames.

generally, what makes me townie and what mostly makes my towngames is gut reads, in-moment thoughts, and feeling mostly relaxed and natural (and townbloc building, but that's follows after reads, obviously). now, the gut reads and thoughts aren't present because this game feels like mud currently and i've gotten very little from it so far. and, i'm aware i'm sounding a bit off tonally, mostly around iv, because this is like the 4th game in recent times where we start off with "r u scum though" and it's gotten repetitive.

the reason why i say this doesn't resemble either of my games is because i'm not that terrible at... faking my towngame, especially early. if i had to, i think i would be able to make up some "reads" that i'm not naturally getting right now.

the impression i've gotten from seeing you play in my games is that you would look for things like Actual Game Related Thoughts in my play, and considering i've given the bare minimum so far... your read makes sense.

it's not really just game related thoughts. that's mostly a personality / playstyle thing, i think. i think that, correctly or incorrectly, i read you similar to how i used to read skygazer (do you know who that is??). when skygazer was scum, even when she would force herself to give reads and interact, it still seemed sort of forced, and like she wasn't really interested in it and was just doing it to get posts out there.

you don't have to have reads yet – aside from the thoughts that i sort of forced myself to get out there, i really don't have all that many. if you are town, i would say just take your time. i personally think it's the best way to get reads and i think it would help you be readable.

This is another post that I'm like, "This sounds odd"
northside goes: "How do you think you've played this game" - ok, whatever, nothing odd there
dats answers
northside goes: "you don't have to have reads yet"
like, northside's answer to dats talking about how he's been playing, it's just weird... I'm not even sure I understand what northside is saying, so like idk if I tr/sr this, this entire page has a lot of odd stuff so I really want to look at it, but this post? I don't even know what to call it

[Andante]

I didn't like skitter's read on Datisi, and I was also thinking that skitter wouldn't make a read like that on her buddy. So that potentially indicated Datisi as townie. But I had no reason to suspect skitter, then I would scumread that interaction between nsg and Datisi.

Why are we having anyone as lock scum this early? Cause reads based on interactions only work when you have strong scumreads, and unless I missed something, I don't think anyone is a strong sr yet??

[Andante]

found it difficult to believe (or i suppose just surprising) that skitter didn't know about SS's always pick nine thing (as she seemed to indicate in one post) but i couldn't find any evidence to the contrary in the very short amount of time i spent looking for it. i'm also curious to hear about skitter's experience with scum!andante which i recall she indicated she had – what was that game like, and what's your impression of how scum andante plays / differs from town andante?

- didn't notice or realize about the 9 thing
- i dont have any experience with scum-andante, but i do have experience with town-andante, and this is it imo. Namely, the really qucik real-time interactions with real time reassessment and responses based on what other people are saying. I havent seen scum-her, but i would imagine its a little hard for scum-her to fake

She's from EM so the quick realtime responses are extremely null for her and not a good metric to read her on. Better to read her on whether the cases she pushes are pure bullshit or not.

Why are you trying to be like "she's from EM so your reasoning to tr her is bad" EM died a year ago... I've had a year of playing on this site... Trying to be like "so back on this site that doesn't exist" feels like you're not trying to be helpful to town. Skitter thinks I'm town, gave a valid reason, I'd probably TR myself this game too, and instead of having anything to counter, like "hmmm I SR this stuff from andante" it's trying to bring up something irrelevant... which really doesn't feel like something town would do

[Andante]

She's from EM so the quick realtime responses are extremely null for her and not a good metric to read her on. Better to read her on whether the cases she pushes are pure bullshit or not.

Oh i didnt know that. Well it worked to townread her last time so maybe this isnt aa strong a reason as i thought but i think she's still town

I mean, if you're so concerned and need a scum game, there's the Fish normal game, I was scum and endgamed there, but I really don't think meta is needed to read me lol

[Andante]

She's from EM so the quick realtime responses are extremely null for her and not a good metric to read her on. Better to read her on whether the cases she pushes are pure bullshit or not.

Oh i didnt know that. Well it worked to townread her last time so maybe this isnt aa strong a reason as i thought but i think she's still town

without even necessarily disagreeing with the townread, if you don't know what someone is capable of as scum, aren't you worried that they might be more skillful than you anticipated? andante has quite a lot of games completed from a quick look that i took and so she's not exactly a newbie either

Ummm I think my town games speak for themselves lol uhhh the games here... most games are things I've replaced into, but why iseveryone so concerned about scum!Andante?? I literally die tonight scum knows I'm a pr lol plus I've actually been doing stuff, so we're not entertaining this andante!scum idea

[Andante]

i mean sure but i didn't know what her scumgame looked like last time either, and i correctly townread her there, and now she looks the same

so she can totally wow me for sure but right now when i have like 3.5 reads i'm kinda ok townbinning her for now and revisiting later

skitter is still town

[Andante]

This is another post that I'm like, "This sounds odd"
northside goes: "How do you think you've played this game" - ok, whatever, nothing odd there
dats answers
northside goes: "you don't have to have reads yet"
like, northside's answer to dats talking about how he's been playing, it's just weird... I'm not even sure I understand what northside is saying, so like idk if I tr/sr this, this entire page has a lot of odd stuff so I really want to look at it, but this post? I don't even know what to call it

Take a look at this quote:

the impression i've gotten from seeing you play in my games is that you would look for things like Actual Game Related Thoughts in my play, and considering i've given the bare minimum so far... your read makes sense.

Datisi seemed to indicate here that he believes my scumread on him was because of him not having very many game related thoughts (or reads) so far. This isn't really the primary reason behind my read.

Me saying "you don't need to have reads yet" meant a few different things. The first was trying to illustrate that that wasn't the primary reason behind my read (as I began arguing in the first line of my post there). My scumread isn't about "needing to have reads at this point", or anything like that, and that's sort of what I was trying to say. The second was sort of just a genuine point, in the case that Datisi is town. I don't think that any townie should force themselves to have reads – in my experience, the best reads are formed by sitting back and just seeing what you can find rather than actively trying to force things. Of course, some people might call this too passive or say that it lets yourself get drowned out, but it's just my genuine philosophy.

Saying "you don't need to have reads yet" isn't some roundabout way of townreading Datisi, because it was never a reason for my scumread in the first place.

I'm not really following, it might make sense if I look back on it later, it's not looking like something I'm gonna sr you for, the wording/whatnot was tripping me up, but that entire page to me was like "wtf is happening??" so my mind is a tad fried.

[Andante]

Ok, now I'm addressing that "you can't read andante the way you are" crap...
Unless you have some sort of solid "Andante in this game as scum did exactly this" I do not want to hear 1 more time... "you can't TR andante if you don't know her scum game"

Personally, I think my scum games are pretty good, I'm proud of them, however, just cause I'm not terrible scum, it doesn't mean we need to start tossing around "Well she's from EM" "look up meta!!" seriously. I am here to solve the game. and that is what I'd like to do. I'm not solving my alignment. If you want to dig through my games, have at it. Make sure it's actually over though.

But I do not want to hear 1 more post about how someone else isn't allowed to TR me cause they haven't read one of my scum games... page 28 was angering me.

[Andante]

Was thinking about how scum are typically more conciliatory toward scumreads on them in the early game and mulling over Datisi's response to nsg in my head and but don't know how much I believe that

sorry to interrupt, but can anyone define conciliatory for me please. google isn't really helping
(believe it or not, I'm actually writing out thoughts as I catch up.. instead of 1 post per post I read )

[Andante]

ok awesome thank you!! yeah I gave up on the dictionary when the definition had words I didn't understand lol

[Andante]

ummm I'm running into a major thing in my reads here... Datisi/Innocentvillager, do yall always interact like this when yall play together? like, I guess I'm asking like, do you 2 have a lot of history? cause there's this thing I'm noticing, and I think Innocentvillager is either scum trying to pocket datisi, or this is just how you 2 play in games together..
So if Datisi/innocentvillager could help me out here, I'd appreciate it, cause yeah, I start to question my reads when I start having a million scum points for people

[Andante]

mmmm nah not yet, just gonna let time go by and see if I tr/sr you

wat

wat?

[Andante]

wat?

why would you (presumably unintentionally) make an unclear post and then deliberately not explain it when asked

Cause I had a thought, I probably should've waited to say, and didn't really want to go down that path at that point in time, it basically would've turned into a tunnel on Datisi, and I don't think I was certain on that sr, idk, I'd have to revisit, I'm onto something else at the moment.
Thus I'm now writing out my own thoughts (instead of just posting whatever) and ummm am considering reading some past games for someone because I'm literally SRing every single post. Which will make sorting them real fun.

[Andante]

ummm I'm running into a major thing in my reads here... Datisi/Innocentvillager, do yall always interact like this when yall play together? like, I guess I'm asking like, do you 2 have a lot of history? cause there's this thing I'm noticing, and I think Innocentvillager is either scum trying to pocket datisi, or this is just how you 2 play in games together..
So if Datisi/innocentvillager could help me out here, I'd appreciate it, cause yeah, I start to question my reads when I start having a million scum points for people

yeah, we pretty much always interact this way, more or less

I'm seriously not TRing innocentvillager... like 8 bad points and 1 good one... and I'm not done catching up yet

[Andante]

ummm I'm running into a major thing in my reads here... Datisi/Innocentvillager, do yall always interact like this when yall play together? like, I guess I'm asking like, do you 2 have a lot of history? cause there's this thing I'm noticing, and I think Innocentvillager is either scum trying to pocket datisi, or this is just how you 2 play in games together..
So if Datisi/innocentvillager could help me out here, I'd appreciate it, cause yeah, I start to question my reads when I start having a million scum points for people

yeah, we pretty much always interact this way, more or less

I'm seriously not TRing innocentvillager... like 8 bad points and 1 good one... and I'm not done catching up yet

and this isn't even including the massclaim stuff... it's literally all within 40 posts

[Andante]

Ok, here's the compilation of my thoughts on scum!innocentvillager, and honestly what stands out the most I'd say? the reaction to seeing the votecount. Like "I'm the top wagon? get midwaybear!!" then I think in 750 we're not SRing midway anymore?? I'm not even sure. I'm just not a fan of prioritizing the conversation with datisi for things not even relevant to finding scum. And pretty much ignoring game related stuff, unless datisi is involved, then it's like "gotta jump into that!!" something feels super off here


729 –“if you’re so tired of these interactions why do you still engage in them” like, I’m confused on why you’re even asking this, if Datisi ignored the question, people would be all “why did you ignore me?!?!” I also don’t like the reference to past games where you were scum against him, like, doesn’t seem necessary.
730- “you finally rolled scum without me” uh what? It’s followed by “I have no idea if you’re town or scum” it feels like you’re just trying to look busy “solving” cause there’s nothing here that helps anything.
734- After a comment about being the largest wagon, he votes midwaybear and goes “I haven’t seen anything towny here” feels like innocentvillager is just pushing the next “easy” wagon instead of actually pushing midwaybear cause he thinks midwaybear is scum.
743- Datisi just gave paragraphs of thoughts, and we care more about “would you really night kill me as scum?” like, why do we care so much about talking about ourself instead of finding scum
746- voting midwaybear (thinks midwaybear is scum?) yet does nothing to try and convince datisi or have datisi help sort midwaybear, instead it’s more like “haha don’t worry, I don’t sr you dats” “I don’t sr midwaybear, but the post just stuck out” like… what?
750- It is like we are trying to find a reason to TR datisi(or maybe this is a tr on midway using datisi’s argument? So just agreeing with datisi?), cause “that’s not easy for scum to fake so I will admit it’s a point in his favor/your argument” is such a bad thing to say
753- jumping to datisi’s defense, instead of asking what specifically pinged skitter, it’s “ do you think caring about thread appearance is scum indicative for datisi” like, what do you expect to get from this question?? Only after skitter going “I think he does it as both alignments” does innocent villager go
755- “yeah I don’t think it’s scum indicative, what pinged you about it?” like, it feels like an awkward conversation…

[Andante]

I don't think any of my other notes are really relevant at this point, I understand playing a game with your friend, but like I start having issues when it's more about "omg hi friend! wow you'd fearkill me?" than actually solving, especially when we're 800 posts into the game

[Andante]

also it just hit me that Andante is top in the draft. That's another reason to scumread her, I guess.

You're just jealous cause you were bottom of the draft

[Andante]

You're just jealous cause you were bottom of the draft

I literally spent the entirety of the last PYP game I played correctly calling the top drafter scum

ahhh I see, so the plan is to just call me scum in hopes I flip scum, so that you can then go "I have a 100% success rate at catching scum based on draft order!" only issue with that plan is I'm not scum lol

[Andante]

so why am I the only low number we feel like tunneling/calling out?

[Andante]

aand here is your draft!

Andante: 2
skitter30: 3
midwaybear: 5
Mare: 6
innocentvillager: 10
SirCakez: 12
Faker: 14
catboi: 21
PookyTheMagicalBear: 1 + coin flip victory
Datisi: 1
northsidegal: 8 + coin flip victory
Sleepless Assassin: 8
flow trap: 9 + coin flip victory
Something_Smart: 9.

[Andante]

so 5 and 9. are innocentvillager and pooky. I literally SR innocentvillager...

[Andante]

lets beat scum with STATISTICS and SIGNIFICANT DATA

lol I'm a stats major

[Andante]

we didn't have many duplicate numbers, that's kinda suspicious to me

[Andante]

I'd argue there's 2 scum in the 5/6/10
midwaybear: 5
Mare: 6
innocentvillager: 10
like, no one else picked these numbers? they're like middle... "safe" numbers

[Andante]

i plead the insufficient sample size card

ok, if it's not you, look at the numbers around you

[Andante]

stats are saying 1-6 are often picked by scum, one of the 1's is almost definitely maf, and that leaves 5 and 6 still there... I have very few notes on people who haven't talked recently, but 2 scum points for mare, no town. nothing on midway though so meh

[Andante]

wasn't midway the one who SRed Datisi, then backed off when Datisi started asking about it? and that "confident scum read" became non existent?

[Andante]

I'd argue there's 2 scum in the 5/6/10
midwaybear: 5
Mare: 6
innocentvillager: 10
like, no one else picked these numbers? they're like middle... "safe" numbers

What about 12 and 14 that were also picked once why are those not in your category

meh, there's definitely at least 1 scum that went 10 or under

[Andante]

see, here's the issue, I know what pr I picked, and I know it's not one of the better ones, so it's very likely scum has some good roles

[Andante]

Wait you’re a PR?

I'm vt which is why I know scum has good stuff lol

[Andante]

so ehhh maybe I just ignore the like top 5 of the list? so we don't yeet good stuff?

[Andante]

wasn't midway the one who SRed Datisi, then backed off when Datisi started asking about it? and that "confident scum read" became non existent?

The read(logic) was never strong but the gut feeling was. So when Datisi started asking about it, I realized that there wasn't really reason for my gut to feel that way.

then why did you say you were confident in the read?

[Andante]

SLEEPLESS!!! SLEEPLESS SCUM? 8 feels pretty safe to pick... I'm still not a fan of the "this is too much to read. see yall thursday"

[Andante]

VOTE: sleepless

[Andante]

SLEEPLESS!!! SLEEPLESS SCUM? 8 feels pretty safe to pick... I'm still not a fan of the "this is too much to read. see yall thursday"

My work schedule doesn't change based on alignment in mafia games. 8 hours between shifts is barely enough to sleep let alone read that many pages.

ooh hi! welcome back!

[Andante]

I think I might tr innocent, there's something I really like, so as long as I keep seeing it, he's probably town

[Andante]

SLEEPLESS!!! SLEEPLESS SCUM? 8 feels pretty safe to pick... I'm still not a fan of the "this is too much to read. see yall thursday"

My work schedule doesn't change based on alignment in mafia games. 8 hours between shifts is barely enough to sleep let alone read that many pages.

ooh hi! welcome back!

I'll be back Thursday. I'm heading in to work.

mmk have fun!!

[Andante]

ahhhhhhhh I like the idea of yolo yeeting based on numbers, like I'm going through ISOs.. that takes forever. and like, I'm sure I'm gonna be wrong somewhere ._.

[Andante]

Alrighty!! I got 2 reads, I TR them both, gonna step away and do something today, and make my dog happy
but before I do that, I'll leave yall with my notes, they're not meant to be part of a "case" or whatever, but think of them as more of my notes I wrote as reading through ISOs/reading like 700-800. If people have questions, I can try and answer, but the best explanation I can give is likely written down.

Catboi

Spoiler: General Notes

12/28, As of now I feel comfortable calling him town, not locktown yet, but definitely not red.
Even with Datisi’s explanation of what 723 says, I still don’t understand it

Spoiler: If Scum

263- not with innocentvillager
476 & 478 – not with Pooky
630 – not scum with datisi

Spoiler: Good Stuff

737- good response to innocentvillager’s “not seeing anything towny”
219 – I like this response to “I wonder how he’s going to read me” it’s not over explaining, and is a nice simple answer
363- probably a thought town has
409- Good!
571 – I like this, and genuinely think this comes from town

Spoiler: Bad Stuff

234- but why? (Found the why at 314- it’s alright, I haven’t read midway yet soooo - **Revisit)
282- says that something not even game related is “OBVTOWN”??
411- I do not like the “I was going to TR andante for number choice, but not all scum probably care” like, If you’re Tring me, don’t TR me off a number choice?? Like, can the TR be content related? Especially since all stats point towards low numbers and top of draft being likely scum. Also not sure I like the flow push, but it’s fine for now, flow probably needs pressure.
589 – “cause reasons” is not a good reason im town, like I literally die tonight (unless scum actually think I’m vt.. maybe I am) so after I flip green, it’s like you can just go back like “yep this was obv her town game”

Spoiler: Stuff I wanna comment on, but idk if good or bad

391 – pshhh “treading more cautiously” on your read on me… I don’t like the wording of this, like why not just deal with a read on me later?
462- why not? Gotta start somewhere for reads

Faker

Spoiler: General Notes

(He) - green as of 12/28, no reason to be red yet, I do want more, but so far, I like what I’ve read
206- here’s where the mare/faker beef gets brought up
12/27 - Traveling/on phone for next few days, “can only give minimal effort”

Spoiler: Good Stuff

29 – talks about scum pt, not feeling like scum would do that
583 – I could see coming from town mindset

Spoiler: Bad Stuff

724 – “Too tired to read” and some irrelevant thing about “no beef with Mare” (As I’m ISOing, this isn’t so bad, but still want to monitor**)
98- “I don’t like skitter” yet votes mare?

[Andante]

That is the nicest/best formatted post I have ever done!! ahhhhh basically, questions I ask there aren't really directed at yall, it's just questions I kinda have, and I'm thinking about, if I care enough about an answer I'll ask you directly

[Andante]

I may have messed up a bit, since my counts don't exactly match Hoopla's. But this is what I've got.

1st - 1 1 2 5 6 8
2nd - 3 3 5 6 9
3rd - 8 9 10 11
4th - 1 13 15 22
5th - 1 4 8 9 12 18 69 413
6th - 1 6 20
7th - 3 5 5 42
8th - 2
9th - 1 2 3 4 4 10
10th - 1 7
11th - 6 11
12th - 1
13th - 1 2
14th - 4 4 4 6

Not quite sure on yours, I went through, looked at a bunch of game, and made a chart. the red/green up top is whether town or scum won, uhhh I don't really get any "conclusions" from this lol

[Andante]

Well, ignoring Open 630 because scum were not given pregame chat, 28% of slots that didn't dupe were scum (compared to 21% of slots overall) according to your chart.

That's not a ton, but it isn't nothing.

(FYI I used more games than you because I used some that were different setups but still had the same PYP draft mechanic, including the last run of this one.)

Ahhh I was wondering why 2 scum had the same number that game, no chat makes sense. Honestly, I think 8/9 are safe numbers to pick, but it's also like, it doesn't even matter what you pick as long as it's not the same as a partner. It's like, if 1 is picked, the other 2 go higher, but ehhh I'm really struggling to draw actual conclusions from past games, it's all like "If this happens, then this is likely"

[Andante]

I know he is Just Like This and gets some leewy for that but I feel like when he's town he usually pulls out some sort of relevant thought and I haven't seen it so far

I am not normally that lurky. It was a holiday weekend and I took yesterday off to spend time with my family.

It's not about being lurky it's about what you're choosing to put out into the thread

ehhh holidays.. I'm not really gonna push people for "coasting" Sleepless has just been funny with the timing they've been around, thus I'm just goin by what's here, and I think Something_Smart has been alright today

[Andante]

Like beyond being in "catch-up mode" he literally just feels like he's posting the same kind of content in catch-up mode. It's bad!

uhh it's only IRL day 2 of this game, feels early to be pushing someone for catching up

[Andante]

I think Mare is coming off worse here mostly because I don't get why she's this up in arms over disagreement on a read ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I'm confused why mare made a huge deal over "OMG Cake is slow at catching up!!" like, ok... who cares how long it takes cake? There's plenty of people around now, like interact with people, don't just go "I hate people catching up!!"

[Andante]

You're just jealous cause you were bottom of the draft

I literally spent the entirety of the last PYP game I played correctly calling the top drafter scum

ahhh I see, so the plan is to just call me scum in hopes I flip scum, so that you can then go "I have a 100% success rate at catching scum based on draft order!" only issue with that plan is I'm not scum lol

Why are you assuming he's saying this to you as town?

Everyone here is town until I'm convinced otherwise? I don't see the problem

[Andante]

is it time to restart the animal police department to get some civility back

Not gonna lie, I'm really thinking pooky maf this game, so then dats is town cause maf is not sharing a number

[Andante]

catboi may be scum but I am scared because everytime I read this person it's literally rolling a slot machine

uhhh I don't think he's scum yet, like obviously I'm no expert at reading him, but at this moment, I think he leans town

[Andante]

VOTE: Pooky

[Andante]

pretty sure this time the top drafter isn't

maybe not, but one of the high drafters probably is.

I mean, Pooky picked 1.. intended to be top of the draft

[Andante]

I feel good about skitter, I really do, I don't think Pooky has 1 post of game related content, picked 1... ummm yeah I'm good with voting pooky for now, not like I have a reason to not vote here

[Andante]

I feel good about skitter, I really do, I don't think Pooky has 1 post of game related content, picked 1... ummm yeah I'm good with voting pooky for now, not like I have a reason to not vote here

I'd be shocked if you could find game related content in my posting ngl

it's just random spamming type posts. Pooky, who's maf?

[Andante]

I mean, Pooky picked 1.. intended to be top of the draft

that is not how that works

it's not like scum knows where they're gonna be... 4/13 of the games I had in my post, #1 was the first draft. And if 1 wasn't the first drafted, 6/9 times it contained scum... If we're discarding the game scum got to talk, 6/8 times #1 wasn't first draft, it had a scum. Pooky is maf here

[Andante]

im taking back my Andante townread page 28 irked me quite a bit. they felt defensive in a not good way.

I didn't even talk on page 28?

[Andante]

Alright, I have to board. Thanks for the suggestion on the pages Datisi, this doesn't look too readable unfortunately but maybe I'll give it a whirl...or just sleep.

Hopefully I can finish up tonight and place a good vote. I'll be able to phone post tomorrow during a long car ride.

Safe travels!!!

[Andante]

im taking back my Andante townread page 28 irked me quite a bit. they felt defensive in a not good way.

I didn't even talk on page 28?

that was where catboi was telling skitter she's not allowed to TR me until we read a past scum game of mine??

[Andante]

andante



I would like you to count how many 1's there are

and then count how many of those 1's are red.

thx <3 you long time

Look at how many times scum chose 1 when 1 wasn't first draft. Scum is basically in that group every time

[Andante]

im taking back my Andante townread page 28 irked me quite a bit. they felt defensive in a not good way.

I didn't even talk on page 28?

oopsies I meant 29
pages are blending together here

mmmk then I'm not worried, I was getting annoyed at the "not allowed to TR andante cause of meta" crap... it's fine though, you'll probably tr me with later posts

lol or not I guess

[Andante]

I don't like that the only notable thing SS has done is post stats analysis
what are the odds the scum team saw the stats and specifically played against them

I know, thus I'm waiting on my Something_Smart read, it's very easy to do the stats stufff he's done as scum

[Andante]

Look at how many times scum chose 1 when 1 wasn't first draft. Scum is basically in that group every time

ok that's not how probability works lol

I mean, I'm not playing this game solely off stats here, I'm voting you mostly cause for you it just seems to be "I want the highest post count" not "I'll actually play the game"

[Andante]

mmm maybe i shouldn't be arguing probability with a stats major >_>

lol I'm a terrible stats major XD Failed probability last semester.. wooo I'm the "expert" here

[Andante]

oooh Cakez is almost caught up

[Andante]

I mean, I'm not playing this game solely off stats here, I'm voting you mostly cause for you it just seems to be "I want the highest post count" not "I'll actually play the game"

That's fair :3

When can I expect to start seeing some actual content? Maybe tomorrow?

[Andante]

Look at how many times scum chose 1 when 1 wasn't first draft. Scum is basically in that group every time

with all due respect, are you really making this argument as a stats major

lol ok you're the 2nd one to say something, I don't see what's wrong with that statement?? When only town chose 1 (ignoring 630) there were only 2/13 games where #1 wasn't 1st draft and was still all town. Whenever scum chose #1, there was more than 1 person that chose it. 6/8 times that #1 wasn't 1st draft, it had scum. High odds to be scum! I don't understand what's wrong with this statement

[Andante]

I mean, I'm not playing this game solely off stats here, I'm voting you mostly cause for you it just seems to be "I want the highest post count" not "I'll actually play the game"

That's fair :3

When can I expect to start seeing some actual content? Maybe tomorrow?

are you going to give me a homework assignment?

Sure. Reads

[Andante]

Pooky is playing just like he did in Pokemon Large Theme and I'm not having it again

scum or town there?

[Andante]

why is there a self vote? what even?

[Andante]

Pooky is playing just like he did in Pokemon Large Theme and I'm not having it again

scum or town there?

Total scumfuck

lol then he's likely scum here. I've played with town pooky before, this is not close to it, I figured he'd get better with time, but ehhh another day of 0 effort? no fun charts? yeah probably not town

[Andante]

I wanna vote Mare out solely for selfing, after going on about how we hate when people are catching up...like, pooky is scum, but idk what mare is doing?? saving pooky?

[Andante]

ok i hope things get better soon <3
maybe let's try this again tomorrow

UNVOTE:

Thoughts on mare?

--
Also i'm kinda meh on pooky but not sure its ai for him

Lets wagon mare!

If you're upset just step away, none of us will blame you. Go enjoy the rest of your evening/morning wherever you are! It feels so much better to be happy than mad cause of whatever happens in a game. this is just a game, go put yourself first!!!

[Andante]

lol ok you're the 2nd one to say something, I don't see what's wrong with that statement?? When only town chose 1 (ignoring 630) there were only 2/13 games where #1 wasn't 1st draft and was still all town. Whenever scum chose #1, there was more than 1 person that chose it. 6/8 times that #1 wasn't 1st draft, it had scum. High odds to be scum! I don't understand what's wrong with this statement

It ignores the number of people who chose it. If, for example, 5 people chose 1 and one of them was scum, then there's actually better odds of hitting scum outside of the 1's than inside them.

If you add up the total number of 1's you get 6/26 are scum which is 23%, slightly higher than the baseline of 21%. So scum have a very slight inclination toward picking 1, but it's not the big effect you're making it out to be.

Even aside from that, why weren't you pushing Datisi equally?

I mean sure, if we wanted to look at total number of 1's... I was just looking at the general trend

I mean, why should I not be pushing pooky here? Datisi is alright, nothing about him is really screaming scum to me yet, Pooky has nothing game related, you're very similar to pooky, in that I think almost all of your posts have been related to this analysis stuff, I could be wrong, could be genuine posts, but it does feel like this is what the bulk of your posts have been about. oooh a pooky/Something_smart scum team though... kinda scary to think about lol

[Andante]

There's nothing wrong with pushing Pooky, but the number analysis isn't really damning. If it were, it would also be damning for Datisi, is my point.

Yeah, I'm not really going off that, was also just like "hey fun fact! this is also a thing!" like, I don't TR pooky, you're kinda making it sound like you do? what're your thoughts on Pooky?

[Andante]

why is pooky asking for a wagon?

[Andante]

why is pooky asking for a wagon?

He is scum trying to act cool

What's funny is I think this is something pooky would do as both town and scum "Vote for me!!"
(but I think he's scum here)

[Andante]

Some of Andante's posts make me think I am giving too much good faith in my read of Andante (ahh). I'll read more in depth in a bit.

pshhh I die tonight, so just ignore me, and if I'm alive D2, worry about that then

[Andante]

@flow trap
where are you? these people are starting to think you're scum... don't worry, I know you're secretly reading/finding scum, but we miss you!!!

[Andante]

and umm not entirely sure my thoughts on mare, but cause she selfed, I just wanna vote her out. I hate when people decide to self, and that's kinda that. Pooky going "vote me" is different from an actual self vote

[Andante]

@flow trap
where are you? these people are starting to think you're scum... don't worry, I know you're secretly reading/finding scum, but we miss you!!!

Do you townread them?

uhhh need more content, they had some lines I liked, I don't *think* the not posting is indicative of alignment, it's holidays and they said they had computer issues so like ehhh probably busy, but step 1: flow returns and step 2: flow gives reads/thoughts, then we'll see

[Andante]

Here's some of the stuff I liked, like, I'm not a fan of people trying to be like "people are ignoring flow. flow scum" their lines weren't actually too bad when they were here, had genuine engagement on reads, I think they're fine for now

Spoiler:

ok don’t actually do it please

But

How bad is massclaim in this setup

I kind of entertained the idea briefly but I have no idea how to do mech

Terrible idea but probably town for entertaining it at all, scum don't usually propose mass claim and risk the blowback

I SRed this btw, I do not see how asking for a mass claim helps anything. If I claim infinite vig here, I could be town or scum, I won't be CCed, it literally does nothing to help us, PRs won't be CCed

Doesn't "help" but the mindset is almost always town driven because scum are never going to be so bold as to suggest the idea if they believe it to be a pro-scum move, as doing so just draws negative attention to them and is unlikely to get cooperation. Way more likely to get floated by town who are trying to experiment - don't think I've ever seen scum propose it, actually. (day 1 mass is more viable in a cosed setup, in here it's pointless and bad)

Look at the motivations, not whether the suggestion is helpful/unhelpful

ehhh I'm not sure I'd say only town would do it, idk innocentvillager at all, but they're striking me at the kind of person who genuinely wants to know about a massclaim here, and would ask it as town/scum like, anytime I ask setup questions/how to play, I'd ask those exact same questions as either alignment. Could also just be partly that I don't TR innocentvillager yet, and they have so many posts so ehhh idk

I also feel like the fluff around the post could be an attempt to lessen the backlash if they were scum, so I don't think it is as town as cat does

How is it townie.

scum don’t like to contradict themselves

have you not seen flow sit here and just vote half the table?

This is starting to feel like a push from scum, because I only voted 2 people?

do u thjnk scum!andante is purposely lying here? is that why u feel it’s a scum push?

Yeah, I know I am an easy vote for scum and Anda has bent the truth twice now

feels a lot like you trying to pivot your voters on to me....

Jokes on you, I don't even remember who's on me

ok, can you like, being serious for 2 seconds, tell me thoughts on innocentvillager

Spoiler:

VOTE: Faker obvtown

Voting someone you deem obvtown seems more like a town thing

Datisi you seem kind of salty about me being confirmed town

Same with declaring self conftown (even as a joke)

IV why do you seem self-conscious about your number.

No one else picked it

THEREFORE I’m a genus

I’m just flexing let me have my moment ok

This seems like proud town

i just picked a number that I thought was under picked

don’t think many people have picked 10 if not ever in the games I saw

Dunno this just sounds weirdly vulnerable compared to your posts so far.

Shrug.

well everyone was talking about their numbers and picks and shit and I wanted to jump into the discussion

for example, I thought it was unlikely scum chose both 8 and 9, but knowing SS always chooses 9 I may need to rethink this thought a little

pedit: skitter dw I’m obvtown

Jumping into discussion and rethinking upon new info is a town thing to do (Also, obvtown thing again)

skitter is town though!!!

skitter has 1 s, but also has 2 ts so this is prolly right :>

2/3 chance at town so 1/3 chance at scum?

I’m down!

VOTE:

This seems a little too careless for scum to do

ok don’t actually do it please

But

How bad is massclaim in this setup

I kind of entertained the idea briefly but I have no idea how to do mech

Already discussed this, I think it's more NAI

It was a meme response but not really a meme sentiment I have about u :3

Datisi we’ve had enough reps at this lol you have to expect this every time

This type of thing usually comes from town, even if it isn't accurate

[Andante]

I wasn't thrilled by flow trap's first half of the game but I have accepted from Iceland that I am unlikely to be able to read him with my current level of knowledge, barring extremely obvious ulterior motive.

Skitter, as a counter to your own towncase for me, what do you think of Pooky's point that I would get more tilted as town, over

something

be it him, Mare, etc. and that I am generally just too laid back to be town?

I'm not going to do what I usually do and rake people over the coals for questionable reasoning on me unless I legitimately question its faith btw

lol I got you!! I'll figure out a flow read! (If they start really doing stuff, they're town. if not, gonna be scum)

Iceland sounds fun!!! Enjoy the trip! I know I have no plans to yeet you day 1, based on what I've seen from you so far, so enjoy Iceland!!! Don't put all focus here (unless you really want to... but I don't blame you for limited activity here)

[Andante]

LMAO, Iceland was a game I played with flow trap.

I wish it was my destination though!

LOL I was like, wow.. if I went to Iceland.. I would not be here XD

[Andante]

lol I agree with you that flow isn't an easy read, definitely funny though XD
oh wow, when I'm hiking I'm like not even looking at my phone lol but hey, not judging!! hiking mt. fuji sounds fun though!

uhh iv, why is mare so high on your list? like, can you link to the towny posts?

[Andante]

i think have too many towns

andante
mare
faker, cakez, datisi, skitter
flow, cat
poe {nsg, midwaybear, pookybear, sleepless, SS}

cause this... sounds like you're just repeating the "universal reads" right back at us..

[Andante]

I think I'm back to SRing IV

[Andante]

because mare is tonally obvtown and ive been getting this vibe the whole game lmao

just like open her iso

I want you to link to/quote what you think are some of mare's obvtown posts

[Andante]

i think have too many towns

andante
mare
faker, cakez, datisi, skitter
flow, cat
poe {nsg, midwaybear, pookybear, sleepless, SS}

cause this... sounds like you're just repeating the "universal reads" right back at us..

is this really that universal?

i mean it's not like these reads popped out of nowhere i have been developing them myself for the last couple days?

mmk I also want to know what you find towny about cake

[Andante]

Mare:

I town.

IV:
"Mare is obvtown"

[Andante]

Spoiler: mare

I town.

IV why do you seem self-conscious about your number.

i just picked a number that I thought was under picked

don’t think many people have picked 10 if not ever in the games I saw

Dunno this just sounds weirdly vulnerable compared to your posts so far.

Shrug.

Also, FWIW I’m of the opinion that scum are almost always going to try for a high or middling number. The benefit of WIFOM exists but it seems useless when you can just get caught by the PRs you’re handing over to town.

i just picked a number that I thought was under picked

don’t think many people have picked 10 if not ever in the games I saw

Dunno this just sounds weirdly vulnerable compared to your posts so far.

Shrug.

well everyone was talking about their numbers and picks and shit and I wanted to jump into the discussion

for example, I thought it was unlikely scum chose both 8 and 9, but knowing SS always chooses 9 I may need to rethink this thought a little

pedit: skitter dw I’m obvtown

I don’t... really think this a real passing thought you had.

It’s just one of those awkward sounding things that feels like you’re making up thoughts to tell us.

mare why do u think that faker post was scummy?

I don’t.

I wanted to add something like *condescending movie-like face pat* or something but that felt too weird.

It’s just one of those awkward sounding things that feels like you’re making up thoughts to tell us.

ok well I don’t really know how to respond to something like this

let me know if you think of something more specific

I mean, if you want me to nail down the exact, “rethink this thought” is strange.

Amd why mare?

I just woke up and decided my vote wasn't doing much. I did not think 78 was a real process.

I believe I answered your other question already in a response to Datisi.

If anything I think my point stands more given the spat of energetic posting IV made following.

If anything I think my point stands more given the spat of energetic posting IV made following.

The few games I have seen of IV (9:12 and a few specced) lead me to lean that towards both his initial statements and the followups being very NAI.

Normally I don't like to go out of my way to say this, but you seem to be want me to reassess and engage directly with the attack in a substantive way, so I will humor you.

I’m rarely in a mood to play in a more... direct way rather than fleeting thoughts, but I am this game, so it felt important to press down on something for once.

That being said, IV made a post about what scum would subconsciously do rather than just basic “scum doesn’t do this because it looks bad” which is something that appeals to me and I think less likely to come from scum.

(In an effort not to clutter as much myself, @IV, the spewing wasn’t clutter.)

UNVOTE:

Also, given the meme/fun numbers of the last set’s iteration and this one, scum team’s probably taking it seriously/coordinating what they do together more than an average team might.

My new wack theory is midway/flow are scum together, midway came into the game agreeing with a very specific thought because it was on his mind because scum did in fact pick a number to sabotage a townie and look a little better/out of the spotlight.

I don’t... really think this a real passing thought you had.

Why not

Already explained.

Mare, I have spoken in several different games of my intentionality in interacting with you to either shut you out of the game or to stay out of your way. It should be obvious that I intend to do neither this game.

However, in previous iterations (ex. Slaughter Hour) your response has been to be (rightfully) extremely skeptical of my intentions and to steer clear as much as possible. Your only real post about me that game came to warn off someone townreading me for tilt, and you only quoted someone else rather than added any commentary of your own.

I don't see the same skepticism of my intent here. I am very happy voting you.

I don’t have a reason to be skeptical yet and I’m not going to waste my energy on it until you do something worth skepticism. There are other people who are currently worth it and you’re not.

If you want me to do the little song and dance I do going oh, you’re so stupid, nice try reading me and failing again, I’m... really not interested in acting like that this game.

I don’t have a reason to be skeptical yet and I’m not going to waste my energy on it until you do something worth skepticism. There are other people who are currently worth it and you’re not.

Weird, considering I've exploited the assumption of good will before and you've correctly adapted to it before.

Responding to your latest post, I am critiquing your

leaning into

the dance rather than cautiously away.

I don't really want to match your tone here, and I don't think it's NAI, but I think going out of your way across multiple posts to suggest I am not worth effort is disappointing.

I mean, I wanted to push a point I felt was important at the time. It didn’t really matter the past treatment or the weird distance in games.

You’re not worth the effort of a scumread currently, which... don’t really think is worth disappointment. Of interacting/as a whole you are or else I wouldn’t attempt to interact with you. I thought that was clear but it probably wasn’t, apologies.

Hard disagree on Cakez. Felt pretty insubstantial so far.

Huh. To me, if someone comes out of the gate thinking I’m scum on entrance I think I’d personally want to know why like... immediately. And then discern from there.

if i had thought the scumread is uncalled for, i'd have called her out and demanded explanation.

what is this conversation telling you?

That I think your way of thinking is different to mine, I find it strange, and that I’m going to read closer into you as the game goes but for right now it’s *enough*.

Don't care, was right last time and I feel the same about him so far, gonna stick with my vote.

Another observation is Andante immediately jumped on the numbers when used against her to swing at everyone else/deflect.

>.>
you're feeling a bit off tbh

Want to slapfight me so you can figure it out sooner rather than later that I'm not off?

Okay, my counterpoint:

I viscerally felt that SirCakez was scum from the moment he began posting in a previous game. I cop checked him N1 and he was elimmed the next day.

Why should I ignore it when I get the same exact feeling from his posts here? Should I not immediately press on something familiar when I am familiar with it as scum?

And, let me say, once more.

I really don't give a fuck if he's catching up. People do it. I dislike it. Whatever.

I dislike what he's saying.

Like you want to be ? but you're sitting here saying that he hasn't done anything AI which is patently false soooo.

VOTE: Skitter30

Nope, not born out of nothing.

Still sticking by my read, don't care about the other posts in town games. Way he worded it was the same.

Distancing from his own ideas.

I think Mare is coming off worse here mostly because I don't get why she's this up in arms over disagreement on a read ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Because it's going to turn out again like the last game where my thoughts on things are weird, until there is basis in mechanical action, etc etc. It's frustrating and unfun when I try to play like this again and again and I am consistently felt out as weird despite trying to apply myself to the game in a different way.

So, fuck it, doubling down on the stuff that I think is right.

mare are you ok?

Shrug.

Gonna leave for now.

VOTE: Mare

ok i hope things get better soon <3
maybe let's try this again tomorrow

UNVOTE:

Thoughts on mare?

--
Also i'm kinda meh on pooky but not sure its ai for him

Lets wagon mare!

Skitter's opportunistic scum. Second place in draft too.

Cakez is OMGUSing me for a bad push when he's reading Pooky the same way.

I wanna vote Mare out solely for selfing, after going on about how we hate when people are catching up...like, pooky is scum, but idk what mare is doing?? saving pooky?

This can be scum too for egregiously misrepresenting my posts in which I have repeatedly expressed that I dislike catch-ups on a personal level, but was voting Cakez for content.

Ok i do kinda object to that characterization tho ...

Don't care. You went from "take this up tomorrow" to "okay wagon time" without blinking.

And it's with an upswing of more people saying they want to kill me, so just go ahead and vote me, and when I flip town my grave will be a fucking arrow pointed at you.

Go on.

Ok hold up, so you went through and quoted towny stuff? you quoted mare asking about a slapfight with skitter? And the anger self vote stuff? I seriously don't see how any of this makes mare obvtown. Like, asking someone if they want to fight? "OMG just vote me" like, sure it can come from town, but when that's all there is? I have an issue with you calling all this obv town. Like, obvtown cause you're scum and know mare is town? I see nothing about this that makes her obviously town. There's nothing game related here...And when is the last time you saw town purposely trying to fight people in thread? Fights aren't towny

[Andante]

that was rly weird emphasis and im not embarrassed to say that it pinged me as like not a real question you cared about

what's wrong with asking why *you* tr/sr someone? like, it emhasizes. YOU, and not the reason others are throwing around

[Andante]

Datisi, I'm honestly not really vibing with IV's Mare tr, it's not an actual reason and feels like it stems from TMI, what are your thoughts with how IV is calling mare obvtown...