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I feel like we're ending up leaning a little too much into mechanics and I have a question.
Why are you sheeping GuiltyLion's vote onto me?
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I'm interested. What is your town read? What is your reason?In post 61, Lukewarm wrote:I have found a town read, but it's probably for a dumb reason lol- StrangeMatter
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EBWOP.In post 87, StrangeMatter wrote:@Frogsterking, what do you mean by I’m out of my scumrange there? I have played with you once, which to me wouldn’t be enough to know my scum gameplay, let alone townlean.- StrangeMatter
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You can't nominate yourself, I'm here but for a short period of time before I have a flight to catch.
But I keep getting the gut feeling to be semi paranoid of Frogsterking entirely on their read on me feeling really off. I didn't get a chance to respond to that I would say even with a small scum range like mine it would be wrong to assume that I couldn't be entirely capable of more as scum, which makes me a little more suspicious of how their playing.- StrangeMatter
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@The Praetorian.In post 175, StrangeMatter wrote:You can't nominate yourself, I'm here but for a short period of time before I have a flight to catch.
But I keep getting the gut feeling to be semi paranoid of Frogsterking entirely on their read on me feeling really off. I didn't get a chance to respond to that I would say even with a small scum range like mine it would be wrong to assume that I couldn't be entirely capable of more as scum, which makes me a little more suspicious of how their playing, especially saying I should never be scumread which gives even weirder messages.
@The Buldge. Bad wording, didn't mean other parts of Frogster's play. I'm just saying they're right, but their reason doesn't feel very legitimate from what I can tell.- StrangeMatter
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I kind of have thoughts elsewhere on them (mostly through the reads) yet but I have been reading. Though at this and everything else doesn’t give me that impression, but still I can’t shake the feeling of “Are these reads actually real? And do they believe that?”In post 189, The Bulge wrote:
do you have thoughts on anything else frogster has said? does your current suspicion affect how you're reading their content?In post 184, StrangeMatter wrote:@The Buldge. Bad wording, didn't mean other parts of Frogster's play. I'm just saying they're right, but their reason doesn't feel very legitimate from what I can tell.
Also the more people keep talking mechanics the more I’m inclined to think scum is probably there at this point.- StrangeMatter
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Jeeze, I left for only about 2-3 hours and several new pages and far behind.
To answer that question The Buldge, right now I don’t at the moment really disagree with their reads, but since I don’t know much about it. Granted I was catching up and saw him Frogs talking about GuiltyLion and I really don’t agree with the justification behind that read.- StrangeMatter
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As logical as that sounds, I don’t agree that it works, especially with 19 players, and the scum can end up busing when absolutely needed, so it’s just highly unreliable.In post 500, Andante wrote:
but I like partner hunting so much more!!! like, there's 4 whole mafia... so 4 people are here with the knowledge like "ok, gotta vote anyone outside these 3..."In post 496, Bell wrote:
Please don't partner hunt before there are flips. This is a waste of time and brain power.In post 492, Andante wrote:I could see Bell and Frogs as partners actually.... oh we're gonna go into dangerous territory real soon... when I get locked into team reads...- StrangeMatter
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Uhh I have a massively unfinished list so people not mentioned are essentially no clues or I have had the chance to look into.
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Well it's an early reads list with mostly paranoia and slots I'm a little suspicious of and I've literally said why I think where people are though. Dwlee is paranoia but they give the same feel as they did in Mini 2265, which is partially gut but at the same time its a slot I would be fine with eliminating. Frogster's early read on me was odd since they proceed to townlean me for being outside of my scumrange, despite also knowing its a small scum range, which lines up with them saying its a weak townlean. But then they say something along the lines of these town slots are not going to be in the POE and scumreads plus nominating me indicates believing I am likely town here, which just doesn't add up.In post 575, VP Baltar wrote:
This is a weird list. Why are any of these people where they are?In post 535, StrangeMatter wrote:Uhh I have a massively unfinished list so people not mentioned are essentially no clues or I have had the chance to look into.
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That being said I like my vote here
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Welcome.In post 692, fireisredsir wrote:hello friends!! ive never been a replacement before this is fun
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Sorry, I typed out what I was thinking before finishing thinking. It’s more I don’t like how much it felt like there was overwhelming support there is for the Lukewarm elim, rather than the thoughts behind the push. The thoughts I can understand but at the same time I don’t agree with the conclusions made, and still feel uncertain about if this slot actually flipping scum.In post 859, VP Baltar wrote:
What don't you understand specifically about why people pushed Luke?In post 852, StrangeMatter wrote:What I’m not fully understanding is the Lukewarm push, it doesn’t sit well with me since I’m not sure their slot is scum.- StrangeMatter
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Absolutely think they would. With this kind of support it has it’s be the type of wagon I’d want to jump onto to have the potential to go through without being really all that suspicious.
Granted I think it might be the people who just hopped on without really an argument here though when I get home I definitely want to say scum is likely in this wagon that should be sorted.- StrangeMatter
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Alright I’m back after another flight. Bad news is I’m stuck to using a phone for 6 hours.
I was going to nominate Andante, but as for why I don’t have nominations I just don’t have strong townreads, and I don’t really agree with most of the nominations (I just don’t find any of them to be town) except maybe Greeting and Andante.In post 1103, VP Baltar wrote:@strange and CSF, why have you nominated zero people for bomb experts?
HEAL: Andante
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Just looked through the Lukewarm wagon and I found what Dwlee (along with what Titus does in #687) says and does here a bit of an opportunistic move onto him looking back.In post 665, Dwlee99 wrote:Ignore praetorian quote
VOTE: Lukewarm
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You literally jumped onto the Lukewarm wagon off of “Lukewarm didn’t explain scumread on me.” Which to me looked like an excuse to jump on a wagon I’d say is never a pure wagon.In post 1404, Dwlee99 wrote:
Btw if this is the case the team is like...In post 1402, Dwlee99 wrote:1.) Scum is sitting idly while town just wins
Fire (luke slot), Mala (praet slot), Andres, and idk Titus?
So if we flip in there and keep hitting scum then fine by me but I'd like to not just assume that's the case
VOTE: Fire
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My point still stands that it wouldn’t be hard to make that an excuse to just jump onto a wagon like that without taking any scrutiny.In post 1445, Dwlee99 wrote:
Well he didn't soIn post 1439, StrangeMatter wrote:You literally jumped onto the Lukewarm wagon off of “Lukewarm didn’t explain scumread on me.” Which to me looked like an excuse to jump on a wagon I’d say is never a pure wagon.
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Haven’t been able to get progress on this, but it’s on the list of things I really should and want to do.In post 1466, catboi wrote:
Hi, apologies for the non-sequitur, but you've made references to working on a reads list and having some scum leans you need to revisit, have you made any progress on that?In post 1460, StrangeMatter wrote:
My point still stands that it wouldn’t be hard to make that an excuse to just jump onto a wagon like that without taking any scrutiny.In post 1445, Dwlee99 wrote:
Well he didn't soIn post 1439, StrangeMatter wrote:You literally jumped onto the Lukewarm wagon off of “Lukewarm didn’t explain scumread on me.” Which to me looked like an excuse to jump on a wagon I’d say is never a pure wagon.
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So let met get this straight, you're metaing me on one single scum game without even pointing out I have a history of not alway being as active on both alignments mind you. If you're going to meta someone at least know that one game is never enough.In post 1612, Frogsterking wrote:
K. Tell Strange I'm in here screaming for their head. I'm going to scum case them with the meta tells from the scum game they just completed with me pretty soon if I don't get that readslist. I did this same thing to them recently on D1 in a completed game from the newbie queue, so they'll know what to expect.In post 1604, Andresvmb wrote:I think it’s pretty obvious that you’re implying that I’m only posting a lot for some Scummy reason you’re not fully detailing. If you feel that way, you might as well say what that reason is.
It's late and also I don't have much of a reads list anyways, so bite me on that, scumread me anyways idc.- StrangeMatter
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Usually I don't count things out like that. Though, I've played one game with them, being scum knowing they were town. Maybe I'm just paranoid but I just feel like we're going to let ourselves lose to it and I don't find them townie with their playing.In post 1630, fireisredsir wrote:this is p towny for frog, unless he has become self-aware enough to realize that he can act like this as scum and just torpedo the game and people will townread him for it anyway
I was reading but not able to really type for a while so yes @CSF.
@Frogsterking you could check my past games to confirm that but no.- StrangeMatter
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I didn't say I would post them, I said I would update on them, which to me is saying down the line about those reads not posting my entire readslist every single time.In post 1638, Enchant wrote:
If you hate, why promise to post them.In post 1629, StrangeMatter wrote:I hate posting readslists, but right now I feel like Bell has gone down on what I have seen so far, you've gone down for sure and I'm not at all sure how people are assuming you're even town.- StrangeMatter
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Yes.In post 1643, Frogsterking wrote:
Damn. You seriously think I'm scum here?In post 1642, StrangeMatter wrote:No. I did not.- StrangeMatter
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EBWOP.In post 1650, StrangeMatter wrote:Oh good that game where my reads were a disaster. I can't explain that at all to be for real with how to even explain it. Some games I just feel out of it and unable to get reads I want, and other games the opposite might happen where there are times when I can read people.
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And once again my gut instinct (mostly not feeling them being scum) was right that fire wasn't Mafia. Seriously, I might just start actually using that with how often I am right about it. Still I don't think a wagon like fire would just go unnoticed by Mafia and be used in some way that I'm not sure of.- StrangeMatter
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Well right now I'm a lot more suspicious of Bell, Dwlee, and Titus. Dwlee's is off what I said as I believe he was just making an excuse (which is true that Lukewarm didn't explain his Dwlee read) to jump onto the wagon. Bell is a gutty scumread but it just felt really off to me. Titus is just one post that jumps on, without much of a reason other than "see where this goes" last I checked.In post 2222, VP Baltar wrote:
Can we get a sense who your scum reads are?In post 2216, StrangeMatter wrote:And once again my gut instinct (mostly not feeling them being scum) was right that fire wasn't Mafia. Seriously, I might just start actually using that with how often I am right about it. Still I don't think a wagon like fire would just go unnoticed by Mafia and be used in some way that I'm not sure of.
Cephrir is moving to around a very slightly more likely to be scum here, but I can't tell whether its intentional or not.
Frogs I need to think more about since I haven't placed much thought to that but the initial townreads and sudden 180 on me after being suspicious of me just don't sit right.- StrangeMatter
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In post 2250, StrangeMatter wrote:
Well right now I'm a lot more suspicious of Bell, Dwlee, and Titus. Dwlee's is off what I said as I believe he was just making an excuse (which is true that Lukewarm didn't explain his Dwlee read) to jump onto the wagon. Bell is a gutty scumread but it just felt really off to me. Titus is just one post that jumps on, without much of a reason other than "see where this goes" last I checked.In post 2222, VP Baltar wrote:
Can we get a sense who your scum reads are?In post 2216, StrangeMatter wrote:And once again my gut instinct (mostly not feeling them being scum) was right that fire wasn't Mafia. Seriously, I might just start actually using that with how often I am right about it. Still I don't think a wagon like fire would just go unnoticed by Mafia and be used in some way that I'm not sure of.
Cephrir is moving to around a very slightly more likely to be scum here, but I can't tell whether its intentional how little he just says and just seems to be reading along, having reads, but not saying anything.
Frogs I need to think more about since I haven't placed much thought to that but the initial townreads and sudden 180 on me after being suspicious of me just don't sit right.- StrangeMatter
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Good luck with that, I won't flip red that's for sure.In post 2277, Andante wrote:
that's nice of you to say... in scum pt did frogs tell you how I have you as his partner? cause... based on this game, AND looking at meta, I'm 10000% certain you flip red tooIn post 2272, StrangeMatter wrote:@Frogsterking. Why do you keep shading Andante?
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Yes just latch onto meta (even when I was scum, there are times where people have incorrectly meta read me and townread off that) and prove Lukewarm right, along with the saying that meta reading me has rarely ever actually been right on me.In post 2329, Andante wrote:And on another note, Strange is in scum meta!! I was looking at meta after SRing posts this game, and the performance here mirrors a past scum game, so Strange is for sure mafia- StrangeMatter
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Idk like what Pooky said it just feels like setups, which with no night kills, it definitely seems like they were planning on setting something up.In post 2767, VP Baltar wrote:
Why?In post 2766, StrangeMatter wrote:I don't think Misty would be scum that got swapped in here.
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Can you expand on this?In post 2802, Bell wrote:I do not like people’s posts this day phase so far though.- StrangeMatter
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Again, your read is very wrong (Going to talk about this post game but I'm just saying metaing me from experience alone really has basically never worked out in the slightest, and contributes kind of to Lukewarm's point that people rarely read me right) point that I don't even care to argue at this point at how often people just misread me all the time. Still think you're town who is just completely mislead and genuinely believes I'm scum at this point despite being completely wrong.In post 2837, Andante wrote:not a result, just my read I strongly believe in- StrangeMatter
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From what I've seen, Dwlee slightly pinged me scummy off the Fire wagon (Dwlee I noted has pinged increasingly TMI-ey last I checked) but I'm a little paranoid on this. Plus there are people I can't get a further read on at all which is Pooky, Titus (Yes I know I very lightly scumlean them but I just don't really have much of a read on them otherwise), and Enchant.- StrangeMatter
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EBWOP.In post 2841, StrangeMatter wrote:From what I've seen, Dwlee slightly pinged me scummy off the Fire/Lukewarm wagon (Dwlee I noted has pinged increasingly TMI-ey last I checked) but I'm a little paranoid on this. Plus there are people I can't get a further read on at all which is Pooky, Titus (Yes I know I very lightly scumlean them off that really annoying jump onto the Lukewarm/Fire wagon but I just don't really have much of a read on them otherwise), and Enchant.- StrangeMatter
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