Open 721: Pick Your Poison (Game Over)

[skitter30]

Since when were you scumreading NSG?

[the worst]

A red Oxy flip incriminates that slot imo.
Also content so far has been uuuhhh...consistent with someone who prefers town to scum...

[skitter30]

Oxy today NSG tomorrow 3rd scum d3

Cmon lets get that perfect win

The confidence you have here in both scum!oxy and scum!nsg is kinda pinging me.

(even ignoring the pre-flips)

If oxy flips green where do you look?

[the worst]

If Oxy flips green I'll reasses his reads as coming from a town mindset. He's fairly clever so there is certain to be something gained if he is actually gamesolving.

Problem? I don't think he is.


scum!nsg comment in 1624 was not 100% serious but following a red Oxy flip that is a good place to start.

[the worst]

The confidence you have here in both scum!oxy and scum!nsg is kinda pinging me.

(even ignoring the pre-flips)

If oxy flips green where do you look?

Do you think this actually comes from scum me?
Either bussing or chaining mislynches? :/

Sorry for being uncharacteristically confident but I am hungry for my flip.

[ruru]

Interesting, I read 1348 as likely coming from a town player guessing that ofrhz could be scum with SS and seeing whether he was actually willing to lynch her, although actually I think Md agreed to ofrhz+SS being unlikely together so nvm about that? I guess that was my main reason for thinking he's town so hmm

I don't agree with 1423, or at least in my scum game I tried super hard to address everything people asked me, although I do think it's an okay reason to consider someone a higher EV wagon so I'm not going to call it scummy

I dislike how he said he needs NSG to post, you vote her and he tells you that voting her won't pressure her to post in an AI way, and then votes her to pressure her to post so that he can read her.

What's the scum motivation here specifically?

[UglyDuck]

I'm fine, just had a slight argument with my fiancee. It'll be fine tomorrow.

My advice is for you to always have the last say. Whatever she says, your response should be "I agree!"

Town Points

[UglyDuck]

A red Oxy flip incriminates that slot imo.
Also content so far has been uuuhhh...consistent with someone who prefers town to scum...

So Skum!Oxy to you equals Skum!NSG

If NSG gets lynched and is Town is Oxy town or skum?
If NSG gets lynched and is Skum is Oxy town or skum?

[the worst]

A red Oxy flip incriminates that slot imo.
Also content so far has been uuuhhh...consistent with someone who prefers town to scum...

So Skum!Oxy to you equals Skum!NSG

If NSG gets lynched and is Town is Oxy town or skum?
If NSG gets lynched and is Skum is Oxy town or skum?

Independently of Mohab's badposting (which was not the worst but was far too early to be anything but a cruddy chainsaw defence):

I am scumreading Oxy
I am nullscumreading NSG

There isn't enough content there to like or dislike, it's just the slot and her quietness that are bugging me atm.

So I would not draw an association from NSG's flip--she is a good starting point and the slot is incriminated by a red Oxy flip but obviously it doesn't lock her as scum. I was being facetious here

How do you feel about Oxy and NSG currently?

[brassherald]

Votecount 1.19

Oxy(4)

~ the worst(332), Draynth(43), Sunshine13(50), pinturicchio(79)

Draynth(4)

~ northsidegal(87), Oxy(216), ruru(121), UglyDuck(56)

Scioness Sajj(2)

~ ofrhz(138), AP(92)

ofrhz(1)

~ Scioness Sajj(81)

northsidegal(1)

~ Mathdino(202)

Players dead:

Not Voting (1): skitter30(72)

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2018-04-30 16:45:00)

MOD REMINDERS

Scioness Sajj is VLA until April 30, 2018.

"Updated"

[Oxy]

@The Worst
Please explain how a red flip from me - not gonna happen - leads you to believe NSG is scum.

I call BS. There is no reason.

[the worst]

I know I am replacing out but I thinm tw is scum or at the very least, tw vs oxy is not tvt

This happened like
Before our conversation started

Mohab was a nullshit read but this post is easily the worst post in the game.

Your concern for NSG's slot following a scum!Oxy flip is very interesting btw

[brassherald]

4 people will be due for prods later today, I will prod then during tomorrow morning's vote count if needed at that time.

Also, if prods are needed for that many people, I'll probably extend the deadline.

[Oxy]

My concern is that you're obv scum.

How is this post the worst in the game - other than for coming after requesting to replace out?

They were right, imo...

Honestly, if anything, I think this kind of spews nsg town...

What is the scum motivation? No one was listening to them. This post wasn't helping to get anyone lynched.

@mod please do not extend the deadline. This day has gone on plenty long.

[the worst]

If I'm obvscum why are you on a lurker compromise wagon...?
Your play just ain't town, lots of nice noises but actions speak louder.

[Oxy]

Why am I on draynth? Are you being serious? How the fuck would it be town for me to vote park on a non-existent wagon while I am being wagoned?

I've made a case for why you're scum. No one else agrees.

Seriously, in what world would you recommend that I vote for you right now as either alignment?

And you understand this. You're not stupid.

But I guess that was the easiest post for scum!the worst to make...

[ruru]

So, it would be really nice to have more content from Draynth/NSG before the deadline

Seeing as that may or may not happen, I'd like to propose we put ofrhz at intent to vig now

I doubt anything else is going to change ofrhz being the vig shot anyway? Unless like someone scumclaims during the eod wagoning

So I don't see a big downside to ofrhz hardclaiming nowish (if he is a PR and believes there is enough risk of a vig existing and shooting him for it to be worthwhile). And there are a lot of logistical benefits to it being officially decided with more than 24 hours left in the day

[ofrhz]

I’m here and I’ll respond to the rest of Scioness’s posts later. Kinda feeling unwell at the moment

VOTE: Draynth

L-2

Pedit: I’m vanilla af

[ruru]

I feel like it's long past morning in Ireland so I actually give up on this I think

VOTE: Oxy

[ofrhz]

^ that brings Oxy to L-2
Draynth L-3

[northsidegal]

i really just think draynth is much more likely to be scum than oxy. i feel like it's a cogito ergo sum situation here (math might be the only one who gets this). draynth is a silently scummy person with underdeveloped reads and a scummy vote on oxy. i'll try to quote some stuff to better show what i mean.

[northsidegal]

I'll be taking all of these from newbie 1858, medical mafia.

VOTE: Unvote

We're moving out of RVS, and Rei feels like newbTown to me right now

is there anything in particular that you can point to for this

Gut, mostly.
Obviously that's pretty useless for all of you so I'll try to solidify my gut feeling into something tangible

Here Draynth says that he has just a gut read that he can't really explain. I think this kind of unexplainable feeling is something that comes from town more often than scum. I control+f-ed "feel" and "gut" in Draynth's ISO in this game. There were no uses of "gut" and only two uses of "feel" that followed the "instinctual" definition, both in 401. There were more (about 8?) uses in the other game, but perhaps it's not a fair comparison given the time differences.

What I do think is a fair comparison is how, as compared in the other game when he was fine just calling something a gut read, this game (as others have noted) he's come up with just any sort of reasining at all to describe his reads. I think the "mentioning every slot even if you don't have much to say about any one person" is a scumtell (and one that caught pintu back in Open 714), and that would be even without the reasoning point.

[Oxy]

I feel like it's long past morning in Ireland so I actually give up on this I think

VOTE: Oxy

Is this a phrase I'm not familiar with, or are you voting me because you're tired of waiting for draynth to post?

[northsidegal]

town: 2c, ejji, espeon
not as town: shattiel, notmaf
more not as town: draynth, rei, soulshade

townlist is the only one that i really put credence into

can you elaborate about dra, rei and soul? What makes you susp them?

draynth just doesn't have anything that makes me think town. he doesn't seem to have much of a hierarchy in reads and he's doing a lot of agreeing

rei is also just a lot of words and nothing that particularly makes me think town. i didn't like the push on 2c, 41/62, she seemed too shook for the subject matter in a way that seemed fake

ss i talked about

Just realised I find the wording of this readslist kinda strange

If myself, rei and soul are all being suspected why are we listed as 'more not as town' rather than 'slightly scummy' or whatever else

It's as if schadd doesn't want to step on any toes by calling people out as scum. Am I being too paranoid here?

can you write what do you think about shadd?

I'm not sure what I think right now

On the one hand the way he tiptoed around calling people scum is suspicious to me, his follow up post reacting to my point is along the same vein so It could just be a playstyle thing.
I'll ISO schadd now and get some more in depth thoughts

I think draynth showed obvious examples of doubt and uncertainty in his reads last game. After having reviewed his ISO here a few times, i don't think i saw a single expression of non-confidence or uncertainty. The opposite, in fact.

Anyway, Oxy is scum

VOTE: Oxy

[northsidegal]

this is kind of a tinfoil point, but one i think is still worth mentioning.

VOTE: draynth

Are you going to explain this or are you just happy to try get a free mislynch

Strongly dislike the random no reasoning schadd vote

Schadd also started talking about how he didn't think I was town at a similar time to when ejj started scumreading me. He has had little to no actual content outside of this.
I'd be happy with a wagon on him

VOTE: Schadd

this was draynth's reaction to getting pretty much naked voted by schadd in 1858. it wasn't even to L-1 or anything, it was just to put him at 2 votes when 9 were alive.

This game, he had pretty much a non reaction to my entering in, typing VOTE: DRAYNTH, putting him at the bottom of my readslist, and then multiple other people also putting him at the bottom of his readslist. He didn't ask my for any explanation. I don't think he asked anyone for an explanation. I think the only thing that could be called close to that was him not liking people considering the constant catch-up to be a scumtell.

pagetop

pedit NO

I am laughing at you for this.

I also laughed at this

Also reading mohab/nsg as town for completely nai reasons, leaving me 10 people to sort. yay.

Wait what

Him saying he will go read some cases but not doing so feels like stalling
Not voting Oxy despite the “Oxy sounds forced” narrative he’s pushing
I mean, he could be lazy town... or he could be lazy scum. He’s null at best

DOES ANYONE ELSE THINK PROMISING THINGS AND NOT DELIVERING IS A SCUMTELL

These are just two posts that I quoted while reading, there were more.
Basically everyone seems convinced that me saying I'd try to read a game to come up with meta reads and then not doing it is scummy.
A) I've already expressed that I dislike using meta personally. That doesnt excuse myself from not doing what I said I'd do mind.
B) I'm busy
C) If y'all are so obsessed with meta then why the hell have none of you done a meta check on me?

Seriously, people keep using a blanket excuse of it's old, etc. but wouldn't this solve most of the issues that people have with believing I'm town?
Like I'm happy to link games of both alignments if people aren't arsed looking through past topics.
I just find it hilarious how many people here are reading people based on meta, then refusing to do the same for me even though the biggest reason for scumreading me can easily be seen as a NAI trait in my previous games (I have a history of being super lazy when I shouldn't be).
I'm not trying to say that me doing this is a good thing, it routinely leads to me shooting myself in my foot, but it's a fact nonetheless.

Townie indignation at someone not recognizing that he's obviously town vs scum realizing that people are actually right? Like i said, kind of tinfoil, but still something worth drawing attention to, i think.