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[Hectic]

I haven't properly read through the last few pages but wanted to point out:

Dave has a lot more value as potential doc since he has a pool of 2 outed PRs to protect in [Waka and Morning]. I think it's better to leave him around for mech reasons.

again, who says I wanted to lynch him?

That's my current problem. He responds to my read, yet gives me this ultimatum that if dare to keep pushing him i'll get lynched.

Let's work pass that then, why do you think dave's reaction is townie? Or is the town read on something else?

I don't know actually; sometimes I'm a sucker for AtE. I still haven't read the last few pages properly. I'll report back tomorrow.

[Hectic]

oh god its hectics ISO.

studying for calculus III seems very appealing right now.

How dare you. My ISO is a goldmine and you'd find the gamesolve in there if you looked closely enough.

I kid you not I honestly decided I rather calculate the work done in force fields and played sc2.

1v1 me right now. I'm the undisputed king in Sonic Colors 2.

[davesaz]

1 day, 18 hours, 9 minutes.

[Morning Tweet]

Nobody has had any trouble understanding it.

Understanding Gamma's post or your response?

If the latter, then yes, I very much have trouble understanding your resort to intimidation there, so feel free to use your mental powers to explain yourself. You have no clue who I am going to vote for, but fear it is you. So instead of responding to my case and letting it stand, you directly attempt to demoralize me by threatening a P-lynch on me if I keep going.

So if I want to lynch wake should I be plynched because he is claimed watcher? Should I plynch you for wanting to lynch claimed watcher?

Gamma implied I didn't claim.
I don't think anyone had trouble understanding the claim.

Nobody lynches a protective. Ever.
Not intimidation. Simple common sense.
I have a very hard time understanding most of the people in this game. It's like they're not even speaking English or something.

I'm inclined to think this is dave's actual belief that, because he claimed protective, it is inherently scummy to push him. And i think he's town for it. Kinda gut and as Hectic said could be AtE i guess, but i dont think so

Im not interested into getting into a shitshow to clog the game like I said. I do think I am quite fuckable, but I rather not test that theory and preserve the little amounts of anal virginity I have left.

i

ok

do you still think my claim is necessary wake?

I absolutely do.

can i pretty please not have to?

[HoldenGolden]

Spoiler: Holden's Gamma post

Starting my catch up with Gamma considering we have a lynch relatively soon and they are leading it.

Gamma overall feels very underwelling, but it seems various RL things have impacted their ability to play as well as self-admitted apathy. Yet, I think there are some key points that do push gamma more as town than scum. One of those is the posts made after them pushing Chemist to L1

Spoiler: posts

The PR claim doesn't really change anything for me. Sorry :c

Btw, I still scumread Gamma: Any particular reason you're struggling to get into this game, Gamma? Why the Misty vote, and do you have any other reads to share?

Misty, is it bad that I just realised your shirt pocket is actually a thumbs up?

I’m more just not trying at all rn, not bored enough yet but I think I might be able to convert some pent up energy into fuel to propel me through this game
The vote is because I think the wagon is less bad rn
I don’t get why A-Tom is being voted

Why are people voting A-Tom?

I realized something about the tictac wagon-- I think regardless of tictac's alignment, there's probably scum on it. Okay maybe that's not a super hard deduction to make but bear with me here

I agree with this

VOTE: aaron actually
I'm less certain Chemist is scum here and Aaron is not making me feel good about this wagon

Cake your here. Why does chemist feel less scummy to you?

He seems just lost and confused. Also that would be a weird choice of fakeclaim imo.
I feel scum would be freaking out more

The claim may not necessarily be fake, he could just be a scum 1-shot jailkeeper. I think I want to leave that claim alone for today though.

Also I disagree with that last sentence, I think more often than not scum try to maintain their composure when under pressure.

My take is a 1-Shot PR is a good option for a safe scum fakeclaim. I have tried it myself, though I fucked up the execution with too many bells and whistles. I don’t see anything indicating Chemist is fakeclaiming but I don’t think his claim is in itself a point for his survival.

While we do not know alo's alignment, we do know chemist's. I find the stance gamma takes here quite interesting due to how much it would force the scum team to lock in a bus. I don't think it is a stretch to say that scum was planning to bus around then, but Gamma's posts fully locks down any potential of him helping his partner chem. Gamma's criticism of the jk claim hardly helps scum since the claim was one of the relatively few things keeping chemist afloat. I don't think scum ever expects chem to make it pass day 2, but getting an mislynching in fixes the cost of scum losing a member.

While it is possible scum!gamma stayed on the chemist wagon while the other member left themselves open to an Alo wagon (assuming Alo is town), I find it equally puzzling of why gamma was picked to have the more advantageous spot post flip considering how lackluster they were in everyone's eyes. If anything, I would expect scum!gamma to be the one to leave the door open to try and get more value out of their partner dying.

Gamma, Aloratom, if neither of you want to be lynched Day 2 I would ask that you please join me in lynching davesaz if you aren't already.

Any logic besides the idea he (and AaronFFrost) we’re voting A-Tom as a counterwagon? I don’t find that idea particularly conclusive.

Although slightly weaker due to Gamma flipping on this after an ISO dive (vote on aaron), I think the rebutted against Wake's forced survival statement/threat by not caving in is also pointing to a town gamma. Furthermore, the fact Gamma picked AaronFFrost and not Dave to park his vote on also reinforces this as AFF was not in Wake's direct focus of lynching into the PR pool. I think if scum!gamma was trying to come onto a wagon to attempt to survive this phase, it aligns himself with the person he knows will help carry it by pleasing Wake (since Wake's play-style is aggressive and opinionated enough to not cave in if he feels he is right).

There is also the point that I brought up about how the wagons have progressed and not much has changed really about it. Hectic defined it as stagnation which I agree with. However, the wagon of gamma is stagnating with only mild resistance unlike when it stalled day 1 when both chem and alo were tired and it was a slog to push over that bump. I didn't see anybody's reads who is on the wagon as them sowing the seeds for another lynch day 3, but if Wake is town and this push to get the PR pool lynched is town driven, then why does scum necessary need to do any doubt planting? The answer is they dont. I do think the logic is edging onto WIFOM territory since we have to make assumptions about Wake, but it does show a world where it makes sense for the stagnation to occur and gamma is town.

TLDR: I see Gamma as town despite the low amount of posts. Their play does not align with what I think gamma's scum motivation would of been both during day 1 and now. Rather, they feel as disinterested town. I do not like a lynch there today. Not only does it not provide much info in all honesty, but I doubt the slot is scum.

Your analysis that Gamma pretty much locked himself into bussing is right. However, the wagon was feeling like it was so heavily favoured that it wouldn't make sense for scum to try and defend it. I think at that point in time on the wagon, it made a lot of sense for scum to bus that. And if its Gamma!scum, unable to go too deeply into a read or post on the thread, that's probably what he'd do

You mention that Gamma being the one to bus for "extra towncred" doesn't seem right, since he already isn't having a very favourable game. I can see this, but at the same time, it could easily be the other way around. Like they'd put the more favourable slot in the disadvantageous defending Chem and/or voting Alo position, and have Gamma try to secure extra towncred.

the wagon stagnating thing i already talked abt

Those are the main points i picked out. i feel like they're coming from a town mindset, but i don't think they clear gamma either. If i have to switch wagons today, i'd want to be aaron/bob.

I do think you make a fair point at the top part given gamma's lack of d1 posts afterwards. Personally given the rise of the alo wagon, I don't think scum is forced as much to bus at that situation as it is thought though, moreso if aaron is interpreted to be town.

the wagon bus cred is wifomy, but the reason why I think it would be the other way around is because gamma's value to scum here is low enough to warrant bussing them if they are scum. They haven't really gotten out of that since before those posts were made, so why not have the member with the weaker chances of living till lylo attempt to save the partner?

[HoldenGolden]

I haven't properly read through the last few pages but wanted to point out:

Dave has a lot more value as potential doc since he has a pool of 2 outed PRs to protect in [Waka and Morning]. I think it's better to leave him around for mech reasons.

again, who says I wanted to lynch him?

That's my current problem. He responds to my read, yet gives me this ultimatum that if dare to keep pushing him i'll get lynched.

Let's work pass that then, why do you think dave's reaction is townie? Or is the town read on something else?

I don't know actually;

sometimes I'm a sucker for AtE. I still haven't read the last few pages properly. I'll report back tomorrow.

Jesus Christ Hectic

I suck at AtE analysis as well so I was hoping you had more insight.

[Morning Tweet]

1 day, 18 hours, 9 minutes.

dave, pretend wake weren't in the game for a sec. who would you vote instead

I haven't properly read through the last few pages but wanted to point out:

Dave has a lot more value as potential doc since he has a pool of 2 outed PRs to protect in [Waka and Morning]. I think it's better to leave him around for mech reasons.

again, who says I wanted to lynch him?

That's my current problem. He responds to my read, yet gives me this ultimatum that if dare to keep pushing him i'll get lynched.

Let's work pass that then, why do you think dave's reaction is townie? Or is the town read on something else?

I don't know actually;

sometimes I'm a sucker for AtE. I still haven't read the last few pages properly. I'll report back tomorrow.

Jesus Christ Hectic

I suck at AtE analysis as well so I was hoping you had more insight.

Your point about having Gamma defend tictac-Chem instead of the other partner is fair. but i wonder.. could mafia coordinate something like that with each other? do we actually know if there's day chat or not? And if they do have a day chat, wouldn't gamma have gone dark for a while both in the game thread and the mafia thread? i can feasibly see the other partner deciding to be the one to defend tictac-chem if gamma weren't there at the time

[HoldenGolden]

MT im 99% certain what role you have passed on your reaction

And wake isn't going to stop so

pedit: isnt day chat normal on mafiascum? I'm pretty sure I read that it is somewhere unless I am messing it up with commonly used.

[HoldenGolden]

The Mafia do not have daytalk by default.

Oh

Oh shit that means scum neighborizer actually makes more sense

[davesaz]

I don't think neighborizer and daytalk interact in the way you're thinking.

Scum neighborizer is a thing because a gifted talker can convince hoodmates that s/he's town, and get the hapless townies to spill information.

[davesaz]

To answer the other question, Gamma Emerald or Aloratom.
Wake is a legit fairly weak scumread.

[davesaz]

A mafia team who highly value daytalk would sacrifice another role to keep an encryptor alive btw. It's not the best role to try to keep IMO but many people would value it.

[Wake1]

A mafia team who highly value daytalk would sacrifice another role to keep an encryptor alive btw. It's not the best role to try to keep IMO but many people would value it.

So what exactly are you saying?

[davesaz]

I'm saying that scum could/might have bussed.
Why is it that so many people are having trouble understanding

really

basic stuff?

[davesaz]

It's a response to 1208, which is also obvious.

[Adorable]

I iso Hectic to make sure on my town read on him and on day 1 he was asking for more votes on Chemist and saying Chemist is the best lynch on day 1 and this is the kind of post I don't think scum would do asking for more votes on their scum buddy. davesaz was caught visiting Hectic and a protect role visiting Hectic does seem to make sense when I looked at Hectic's iso on day 1. I'm town reading Hectic and davesaz and I don't think davesaz is a scum doctor since Chemist was a scum jailkeeper. A scum jailkeeper and scum doctor looks a bit much. Wake claimed watcher and I think he is also town.

Gamma's iso on day 1 lacked content and they had a lot of 1 liners. I can understand Aaron's scum read on Aloratom a bit since Aloratom's votes on day 1 didn't look good. When there was a wagon on Chemist, Aloratom said something like he doesn't mind the wagon on Chemist but instead he sheeps SirCakez. Aloratom has been an enigma for me since he was the counter wagon to a scum lynch. Seeing that Chemist flipped scum, Aaron is one of those players who also did not contribute to the Chemist wagon and SirCakez was also scum reading Aaron. I iso Aaron and I found a post from SirCakez Aaron replied to and on #589 SirCakez said he liked Morning's wagon analysis and says he thinks it makes Gamma more likely scum but he didn't get into detail why. bob's vote on davesaz was not clear for me which I didn't like. His vote on davesaz was gut feeling and he said he didn't feel town davesaz would have jumped onto Aloratom for something so small?

[Wake1]

I'm saying that scum could/might have bussed.
Why is it that so many people are having trouble understanding

really

basic stuff?

But you mentioned a Mafia team that highly calues Daytalk, but this game doesn't have Daytalk. Do you think a Mafia Encryptor exists, and if so why hard-bus a teammate to keep it alive?

[Adorable]

I think profii is town. On #526 he broke the tie on the Chemist/Aloratom wagon and if profii was scum I think he would have voted Aloratom instead of voting Chemist.

I think this analysis, while vote-wise is probably technically correct, doesn't take enough information into account. Profii joined the tictac-Chem wagon as it got heated up. It wasn't really a tie at that point in the game, even if the votes were similar-- the Alo wagon was more or less stagnated, whereas the tictac-Chem one was gaining a lot of traciton

what do you make of my analysis of the wagons and who i think is likely scum in 939 and 942 ?

Your analysis is almost similar to mine.

[profii]

I think profii is town. On #526 he broke the tie on the Chemist/Aloratom wagon and if profii was scum I think he would have voted Aloratom instead of voting Chemist.

What difference does that make?

Adorable, just in case you missed this, can you answer please?

[Klick]

Aloratom has requested replacement.

[Wake1]

Aloratom has requested replacement.

Ugh.

That's annoying.

[Gamma Emerald]

Nobody has had any trouble understanding it.

Understanding Gamma's post or your response?

If the latter, then yes, I very much have trouble understanding your resort to intimidation there, so feel free to use your mental powers to explain yourself. You have no clue who I am going to vote for, but fear it is you. So instead of responding to my case and letting it stand, you directly attempt to demoralize me by threatening a P-lynch on me if I keep going.

So if I want to lynch wake should I be plynched because he is claimed watcher? Should I plynch you for wanting to lynch claimed watcher?

This is an interesting approach to Dave’s statement

I also would like to echo the sentiment that resorting to intimidation is a little off to me

oh god its hectics ISO.

studying for calculus III seems very appealing right now.

lol

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm Dave is probably Scum despite his claim because he was also on the Aloratom wagon all the way to lynch. Knowing that tictac/Chemist was Scum, would he really have tried to hard-bus Scum-Aloratom all of Day 1? Would that sacrifice be worth it?

Aaronfrost and Dave were on that wagon, too.

Aaronfrost flaking out makes me think he could be Scum as well, just like with tictac. Perhaps he felt the walls closing in. I'm feeling rather confident that davesaz is the one today.

I see logic here but it’s bits and pieces with little thing it together

Could you walk me through your thought process for what you’re looking for as scum behaviors here?

[Gamma Emerald]

Nobody has had any trouble understanding it.

Understanding Gamma's post or your response?

If the latter, then yes, I very much have trouble understanding your resort to intimidation there, so feel free to use your mental powers to explain yourself. You have no clue who I am going to vote for, but fear it is you. So instead of responding to my case and letting it stand, you directly attempt to demoralize me by threatening a P-lynch on me if I keep going.

So if I want to lynch wake should I be plynched because he is claimed watcher? Should I plynch you for wanting to lynch claimed watcher?

Gamma implied I didn't claim.
I don't think anyone had trouble understanding the claim.

Nobody lynches a protective. Ever.
Not intimidation. Simple common sense.
I have a very hard time understanding most of the people in this game. It's like they're not even speaking English or something.

I would post my role PM but I want to be a listmod someday.
Fuck you.

Okay now I get the feeling Dave is scum, I feel like the past few times I’ve played with him and he was Town he felt rather open, and here he feels quite shut in

[bob3141]

Bob, could you reiterate what exactly your position on tictac/chemist was Day 1?

That it was blind slot due to the lack of posts. But with reasonable chance of being scum. With the sign of whether chemist was scum or not being if he keeps his vote on alort. Why i was point players to his scum meta in 2119. Didnt want to give away to chemist what i was lookign for. But gave anyone enough hints that it was looking liek first half of his repp in scum game. Where the slots already been run up