Open 576.1: The Enemy of my Enemy is my...Enemy? (Game Over)

[Voidedmafia]

Votecount 3.01:

Riddleton - 2birds

Not Voting - beast, Heartless, dragon, guille, riddleton, droog, riabi

With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch and 4 to no-lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2014-12-25 23:31:48) or by 9:30 PM on December 25th, 2014.

[droog]

Why Riddleton
I'm definitely not following anything yetbut
What's the logic

[beastcharizard]

2birds, why are you advocating a lynch you aren't even on?

[2birds1stone]

Wait a moment

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Riddleton

I AM ON IT

[2birds1stone]

The votecount's malformed. Riddleton hasn't actually voted.

[dragonspawn]

even if you guys mislynch me we're in too good of a position to really lose

Famous last words.

Nah, just vote Riddleton and we're good. It's really easy, you just need to bold the word "vote", put a colon after it, and then write "Riddleton". There are even BB tags to make it easier.

the question is why are you claiming this

Because it's my reason for reading beast as town, and part of my reason for calling Riddleton best lynch.

so is this the report from yesterday that you are using or a new report? And how does this report indict riddleton?

[dragonspawn]

The votecount's malformed. Riddleton hasn't actually voted.

in fact no one has voted except you.

I'm leaning to join you because riddleton replaced into a spot I had suspicions on.

[Riabi]

Please explain why riddleton?

[2birds1stone]

Riddleton strikes me as the player most likely to send me an investigation informing me that I'm innocent (specifically, he's the only player here who I've played with)

[Heartless]

Riddleton strikes me as the player most likely to send me an investigation informing me that I'm innocent (specifically, he's the only player here who I've played with)

I'm assuming you're claiming to have gotten the werewolf cop's report last night?

[Heartless]

Spoiler: large horrible stream-of-conscious catchup post

-Okay, so I remember trying to pull some RVS shenanigans that didn't work, kept my vote on GreyICE cause he was a null read and I wanted to take a closer look at my scumreads before I made my mind up.

-Oh right I was weirded out by Grey/Mastin interactions and meta-talk, too.

-Guille was my biggest scumread before i fell off the thread for a while. Felt like his reads were very wishy-washy and worded very carefully to make sure he looked good if/when they turned out wrong.

@TGS: I act like I'm experienced and my join date says I'm experienced but at the end of the day I'm still a newb who has no idea what he's doing
I don't like your not-liking of the meta argument, it seems pretty solid to me.

Well I DON'T LIKE THAT YOU DON'T LIKE THAT I DON'T LIKE ETC ETC

I'm not sure if anyone has said this or not already, but doesn't being aware of and stating your meta negate it? It proves that you're thinking about your own meta enough that you could easily play against it and then point it out for town cred. Lots of experienced players have made this argument before, so it surprises me that Grey and Mastin, who as far as I know are both pretty experienced, would rely on a meta argument to prove they're both town, and it makes me wonder if they're a scumteam.

-Okay so Mathdino's argument for scum!Fink is that Fink is scumreading guille without trying to figure out if he's right or not. Meh. I don't agree that Fink's acting scummy.

-Riabi's unvote of guille is also a little weird to me. He said it was because guille's been contributing, but I actually started finding guille scummier the more he posted.

P.S. Meta is shit

-Egg's catchup post looks okayyyy to me, i guess? but I notice that he says he found Fink town until Fink voted for guille, but doesn't mention anything about guille in the rest of his post. I'll see if that comes up later.

-aaand now we have a full page of Fink and Mathdino going at it

-I'd say Mathdino comes off looking worse at the end of it, I just don't find Fink scummy and I don't understand why Mathdino does. Looking back at the Nova-Guille exchange, I'm inclined to side with Fink and say Guille still looks scummy. Honestly, I think the entire misunderstanding thing is moot, anyway, Guille looked scummy to me, anyway.

-I think 2birds is town. Admittedly this is a gut feeling mostly, and I don't know if he's right about Mastin or not (i just cannot read mastin for shit she is an enigma to me *shakefist*) but his posts just look genuine to me.

Okay so here's a thing:

Grey I believe I explained. His opening post seems like a townslip, he as scum wouldn't essentially give tips on how to play the game as scum, his read on guille was good, and his defending mastin who happens to be scumreading is townish.

Mathdino, your vote on Fink has a lot to do with his vote on Guille, but you liked Grey's read of Guille. If nobody's asked this already, could you please elaborate on what was better about Grey's read?

-Honestly I think Mathdino could be scum but he's also the most active player in the game so maybe it's just because his posts are the only ones I'm reading.

-and then... we have... lots of non-posts. Especially from Guille. man, you wanna talk about skating by. like four posts in a row and they're totally contentless.

-god why is everybody's posts so angry-sounding in this game. i'm so used to newbie games where people are generally trying to be polite ; ~;

-I wasn't sure if I'd agree with her but Mastin's read on Egg is good, got me thinking about a bunch of things about Egg's intro I hadn't considered and also brought up the same weirdness that I pointed out earlier in this massive post.

Gonna wait until tomorrow to clear my head and put a vote down, for now I'm gonna go cry some more!!

I'm having a hard time thinking MathDino's scumbuddy typed a few of these sentences. Specifically: "I'd say Mathdino comes off looking worse at the end of it, I just don't find Fink scummy and I don't understand why Mathdino does." and "Honestly I think Mathdino could be scum but he's also the most active player in the game so maybe it's just because his posts are the only ones I'm reading." There's not much to be gained by taking the side of someone who you don't know the alignment of over your partner.

[guille2015]

I'm having a hard time thinking MathDino's scumbuddy typed a few of these sentences. Specifically: "I'd say Mathdino comes off looking worse at the end of it, I just don't find Fink scummy and I don't understand why Mathdino does." and "Honestly I think Mathdino could be scum but he's also the most active player in the game so maybe it's just because his posts are the only ones I'm reading." There's not much to be gained by taking the side of someone who you don't know the alignment of over your partner.

I actually see that as opposite. Consider that those are noncommittal statements, TGS never really pushes Math. And Math only acknowledges TGS once early, IIRC. Not many players found Math to be scummy, if any at all. So this statement might be TGS applying suspicion on Math so that if any gets killed, the other would look better. Also, consider that Math was the Lesser of the two scum. If they had to choose who to bus, it be Math.

[Voidedmafia]

The votecount's malformed. Riddleton hasn't actually voted.

I blame doing that VC right as I went to bed. It's fixed.

[Heartless]

I'm having a hard time thinking MathDino's scumbuddy typed a few of these sentences. Specifically: "I'd say Mathdino comes off looking worse at the end of it, I just don't find Fink scummy and I don't understand why Mathdino does." and "Honestly I think Mathdino could be scum but he's also the most active player in the game so maybe it's just because his posts are the only ones I'm reading." There's not much to be gained by taking the side of someone who you don't know the alignment of over your partner.

I actually see that as opposite. Consider that those are noncommittal statements, TGS never really pushes Math. And Math only acknowledges TGS once early, IIRC. Not many players found Math to be scummy, if any at all. So this statement might be TGS applying suspicion on Math so that if any gets killed, the other would look better. Also, consider that Math was the Lesser of the two scum. If they had to choose who to bus, it be Math.

This would only be true if the townread on Fink was genuine. I'm not so sure about this.

[dragonspawn]

Riddleton strikes me as the player most likely to send me an investigation informing me that I'm innocent (specifically, he's the only player here who I've played with)

I'm assuming you're claiming to have gotten the werewolf cop's report last night?

that's what I thought but it makes no sense to me. With mafia dead there is no need to investigate. And while I don't know whether it's the same for this games but most games I've played a scum pr can't use their ability and do a night kill at the same time it would be their partner who has to make the kill. We know that there was a kill.

this whole report claim isn't making any sense to me. It's making me suspicious of bird when I would otherwise not be. It makes no sense to lie about a report. Nor does it make any sense for an investigation to have occured

[Riddleton]

Riddleton strikes me as the player most likely to send me an investigation informing me that I'm innocent (specifically, he's the only player here who I've played with)

What reason would I have to investigate if hypothetically I was the only faction left?

[Riddleton]

I slightly FoS birds for the notion of having a report. I find it unlikely, if not unrealistic, that the last WW would investigate since there's no point.

[guille2015]

I am getting clearer in my Reads.

All I need now is for Droog to genuinely arrive and give his thoughts to this game. I won't tolerate any more dodging. His following post, or series of posts, should contain his reads, discussion and a VOTE.

@

Riddleton

: So, what are your reads and who do you want to lynch. All you have right now is a defense and a FOS.

[Riddleton]

All you have right now is a defense and a FOS.

Let's make that a vote!

VOTE: 2birds

[droog]

Not changing my posting style
Even for a clear

[droog]

So if the only scum left is werewolf
Then it's somewhere in Dino's Iso most likely

Gut still says the nova / antihero slot
But I'll see how that turns out after some readkng

[droog]

I had a feeling about Mathdino so it's nice to feel vindicated.

Not a ton to say at the moment, I'm just checking in to get a post down. Hoping to re-read when the holiday stuff is over.

Was teen soft bussing?

Okay well once again saying/doing something silly in RVS hasn't gotten me much :I Oh well.

@Fink, Why would I have wanted to vote for Mastin over Grey?

I'm not really buying Mathdino's townslip. I'm not saying he's scummy, I'd put him at null for the time being, but the last game proved Mathdino knew what he was doing enough that he could totally fake a townslip.

this is where she has the Dino moment and it's really the only thing she ever says about him

I like Astinus's play so far, have a slight gut town read on her. She seems like she's genuinely trying to scumhunt and improve from the last game.

Dragonspawn makes a pretty good point about Riabi not wanting to go into so much detail about his scum strategy if he was scum in this game, and since I was Riabi's scumpartner in ~The Game That Never Was~ I can confirm that he's being honest and am inclined to also townread him. Dragon I'm less sure about, but if nothing else he seems less scummy than in the first game so far. As far as the whole Gambler's Fallacy thing everyone pointed out, I could see him saying that as town or scum.

[droog]

@2birds: Eh, I guess I could go for Riabi or TGS out of PoE but I don't really have scumreads on them. Let's see what happens after more discussion.

This is most of Dino's position there

[droog]

By PoE the majority of the scum is probably in Fink-or-guille, Riabi, Egg, 2birds, and NJAC's slot.

So yeah, would be down with a Riabi lynch for not doing much, but not really interested in getting people to switch over with 4 days to the deadline.

Change 'Fink-or-guille' to 'Fink, guille' because multiball and there's your scum.

Oh yeah I just realised I forgot TGS in there.

Since 2birds and droog are leaning into gut townreads, I'm going with scum in Fink, guille, Riabi, Egg, TGS.

This is interesting
Since Dino town read me and 2birds
He was most likely bussing in his scumreads

[droog]

I keep having to look to see who's who
I hate substitutrs