Perfect Masquerade [Game Over]

[Gentleman 3]

G1, please don't make L2 walk.

[Gentleman 3]

Why do you want me to die?

Because I don't want L2 to die, and one of you two has to.

[Gentleman 3]

Can you tell me why? I havent really followed on L2

Strong analysis, plenty of content and nothing that really sticks out as troubling, casting doubt on me right at the critical time when I was deciding (and an offer from me would probably have been her most likely ticket into lategame).

[Gentleman 3]

What post of mine gave you the impression that i was hotheaded?

Can't find anything, must have just been my confused memory. I thought you lashed out at L6 for scumreading you more.

Certainly other people played up the extent of that spat, and I guess I got the idea in my head when I was skimming things last night while too tired to catch up completely.

[Gentleman 3]

I guess if L5 flips scum it makes you likelier to be town because she was trying to frame your argument with L6 as a Big Deal.

[Gentleman 3]

Honestly I wasn't even thinking about that when I posted it. Just considering the possibilities.

[Gentleman 3]

Why did you ultimately go with L6 despite having L5 and L2 available and having strong town reads on those two?

I don't have strong townreads on them, I have moderate townreads on them, and I have a little smaller townread on L6 plus G6 and L8 vouching heavily for her.

[Gentleman 3]

Why did you assume that a G3-L2 would live for a long time and not get jettisoned at intermission?

Is this at me?

[Gentleman 3]

I think that is a pro-scum mentality reason to choose someone.

It's a pro-teamwork mentality. Certainly something a lot of people here aren't familiar with.

[Gentleman 3]

Why did you assume that a G3-L2 would live for a long time and not get jettisoned at intermission?

Is this at me?

Yes.

A variety of reasons. The simplest being that I am never NK'd, but even if I were to be, I don't think me or L2 is as widely townread as L9, G6, or L8.

[Gentleman 3]

She literally pre-accepted. What an amazing thing to shade someone over.

She did express approval of the pairing iirc though? So the question's still valid.

[Gentleman 3]

not ok as in i agree with you, just ok.

You're getting a little petty, methinks.

[Gentleman 3]

Fair enough.

[Gentleman 3]

G2, G3, G4, L3 (only because of G4) and that’s the only ones I’m 100% confident in.

You shouldn't be 100% confident in anyone (except G2 of course).

[Gentleman 3]

L6 pairing with G3 scares me because if L6 is scum G3 needs to figure it out before late game.

This isn't actual information.

[Gentleman 3]

I wonder if it starts with a “C”.
:/.

[Gentleman 3]

Did G6 have a stroke?

No he's actually a chatbot whose algorithm just went haywire.

[Gentleman 3]

What made you think L1-L6 thunderdome was going to be a bigger issue than G5-G6 thunderdome?

Dont worry L5, I'll field this one.

Because scum town banana miss lynch Gentleman 8. Lady 2 might be scum because she said something negative about me but I'm going to forget all about this read by next page. Celery.

How'd I do?

Made me chuckle.

[Gentleman 3]

Like if I actually have to suicide to get this slot lynched (and btw now I'm sure of it, L8 flips town) I'll do it.

do

not

do

this

under

any

circumstances

[Gentleman 3]

But when it comes to G5, the thing that jumps out in his ISO as definitively bad is his read on G3

Yeah, this is my main issue with him as well. It seemed to me as though he pegged me as an easy target and wasn't expecting me to offer an actual explanation for what I was doing.

[Gentleman 3]

I just think given the gamestate, we needed gentlemen to start picking sooner rather than later.

The disagreement of opinion wasn't the problem. The problem was that you were pushing your own imagined motive for my actions while ignoring me explaining the actual motive.

[Gentleman 3]

I'm here.

[Gentleman 3]

u should vote l5/g8

I'd like to see a votecount first.

[Gentleman 3]

Hows your day?

Reading this game definitely didn't make it better, I'll tell you that.

[Gentleman 3]

I'll have to refresh myself with everything that went on since I last posted, but what I remember is a lot of unnecessary insults and a LOT of premature associatives.

[Gentleman 3]

Like pre-intermission isn't when you shitlynch bait slots. That's what you do immediately post intermission. Pre-intermission is when you look for meaningful and informative flips and ideally hit midrange scum.

Really? Isn't the point to make scum make the intermission kill with as little info as possible, and thus shouldn't you eliminate the slots that everyone knows are going to die anyway?

[Gentleman 3]

I have never been a fan of Gentleman 3's posting, it all looks particularly fake and his activity has dropped conveniently after finding a partner - right around the same time everyone else was looking at Gentleman 5 and Lady 4.

So?

[Gentleman 3]

Is there a scummie for "most toxicity caused in order to win a game"?

[Gentleman 3]

You haven't been too bad but if the G5/G6 interactions were theater that'd be pretty dirty.

[Gentleman 3]

he disappears after the attention is off of him until I bring up suspicion of him again, at which point he fails to address any concerns and disappears into the blue.

Hi, not my job to address your vague concerns, but it is my job to answer questions, which nobody asked me last night?

I've already said I have no interest in getting involved with the shit fights today. I also have no interest in deciding which of the pairs that we're definitely going to lynch we should lynch first. But I also don't think we should discuss endgame pairings before intermission...

So that pretty much means shutting up and voting.

[Gentleman 3]

(yes, this is me reading G3 again. he posts some smart things.)

This post made me want to replace out or try to get you force-replaced.

Why is this so difficult for you.

[Gentleman 3]

This may be a shock to you, but the burden of proof for that unsupported statement is actually on you, not the people defending me.

[Gentleman 3]

Would you like to share your thoughts on the Lynch for today?

Sure.

I highly doubt that either G8/L5 or G1/L2 will make endgame in any circumstances. These pairs should be lynched today, but they should be allowed to catch up say what they want first.

[Gentleman 3]

*catch up and say

[Gentleman 3]

PT's pretty much dead as of now. I'm just starting to throw some thoughts in there but I think L6 just hasn't been around.

[Gentleman 3]

Why?

[Gentleman 3]

I seriously doubt that G6's read on me came from ISOing me.

[Gentleman 3]

Because that's totally a thing that happens.

[Gentleman 3]

(Hint: it's not, and if you actually believe that, you need to step out of the tunnel before you get run over by the train.)

[Gentleman 3]

Like literally you are the one who was ambiguous in that post, I was struggling to parse you, and you weren't helping. (I don't think you were even right as I was neither widely townread nor widely scumread at that time.)

[Gentleman 3]

I'm pretty sure you just perceived it that way because you scumread me. Most people had hedged or not given a strong read on me at that time.

[Gentleman 3]

I meant to write what I did at the top of the post. The mushrooms comment looked particularly out of place - like someone was trying to escape a particularly uncomfortable situation.

How would town be likely to respond to that question?

[Gentleman 3]

Like that's just pure confbias. My options were ignore, mock, or answer; I picked the one that wasn't rude, and you're saying I was trying to "escape an uncomfortable situation?" Give me a break.

[Gentleman 3]

I think you'd be more interested in solving the issue at hand and worrying about pizza later.

It's a post that took literally two seconds, what are you even talking about

[Gentleman 3]

I think the point of my post is that you thinking people townread you doesn't make sense based on your own perceptions of the way people treat you, and yet you still remark that you think people are town reading you. Does that not seem strange?

I think it's pretty clear in that post I'm struggling to understand you, and also pretty clear that I thought you meant I was a universal townread but I didn't believe that.

[Gentleman 3]

Are you trying to deny the situation you were in at that point was uncomfortable for you?

I'm asserting that it's irrelevant.

Your dismissive language isn't helping your case, at least FMPOV.

I mean it's not as though every argument deserves to be carefully considered and analyzed. Some arguments are dumb and deserve to be dismissed. You are producing a high quantity of such arguments, which indicates extreme confbias. I am trying to make you notice this.

[Gentleman 3]

I get the impression that saying anything indicative of G3s identity even if it was the easiest path to a win would not be what they would want so I'll shy away from that.

+10000000000000000

[Gentleman 3]

Why wouldn't they use actual reasons if that were the case?

[Gentleman 3]

Besides, I always believe in talking to people like they're town. Going "your argument sucks and you're scum" never accomplishes anything.

[Gentleman 3]

What actual reasons lol

I'm sure if they actually we're depending on mislynching me for the win they'd be able to find something more convincing than digging through my ISO and attaching random scum motivation to things.

[Gentleman 3]

Phone why do you autocorrect my right grammar to your wrong suggestion.

[Gentleman 3]

I think this is the first time I've felt comfortable in my scum read this game, too.

Pissing in a swimming pool can feel mighty comfortable but that doesn't make it a good idea.

[Gentleman 3]

Different reasons is fine. What you have are no reasons, and you claim they're reasons, but you can't actually explain why that behavior is more likely to come from scum than town.

[Gentleman 3]

Can you please knock that off

[Gentleman 3]

Okay actually that was pretty funny. But please stop joking about outing me.

[Gentleman 3]

No. Ignore it please.

[Gentleman 3]

Freaking pagetops.

[Gentleman 3]

G4, how confident would you say you are in your read on me?

[Gentleman 3]

On a scale of 0% (confirmed town) to 100% (confirmed scum) what would you say?

[Gentleman 3]

Okay, thanks. I'd bet that G6 is way more confident, probably at least an order of magnitude, in me being town, than you are in me being scum. If he flips town, would you agree to trust his read over your own?

[Gentleman 3]

[Gentleman 3]

That's a pretty reasonable compromise.

[Gentleman 3]

G3, what’s it gonna take to get you to vote G8?

I have no issue with voting G8, but I also see no harm in letting him contribute a bit more first.

[Gentleman 3]

How early before the game were the anonymous accounts created? The validity of this read is rather low if the account were made right before the roles were sent out.

Players got access to alts at the same time as they got their role PM's.

[Gentleman 3]

How TF is G8 not proded yet.

He probably is, FakeGod doesn't announce prods publicly.

[Gentleman 3]

Well your dumb because Gent 3 is Town.

Not productive.

I'm sure you can concede that most people can't read my playstyle very well?

[Gentleman 3]

Spoiler: G8’s Main

I chuckled

[Gentleman 3]

I’d like it if you talked about this at some point.

I was wrong, first of all.

I was thinking that L5 would continue to be hyper-interactive and contribute lots of productive reads and discussion. That's what she was doing in the early game.

But instead she just kinda flew off the rails.

As for L2 she about turned out how I expected; solid, reasonable content, readable but not easily so.

[Gentleman 3]

What makes you regret signing up as a Gentleman in specific?

Because I don't like making decisions lol

[Gentleman 3]

Maybe because him and L2 are both wolves and confused.

That's awfully tinfoily.

[Gentleman 3]

Is G8 getting replaced?

[Gentleman 3]

Scum also probably want to set up a heated argument about whether to get rid if G8/L5 before it after intermission if G1 is scum and G1/L2 is first lynch.

That seems like a lot of work for not a lot of benefit.

[Gentleman 3]

TBH the only reason I actually see G8 being scum read is because they are inactive and not doing shit.

Honestly I think both halves of your pair are probably policy lynches.

[Gentleman 3]

Maybe, I'm just thinking about what scum can do when one of their number is in the first lynch.

I'm pretty sure scum are just deciding who has the best shot of deepwolfing successfully and making sure the other two players don't spew that person as scum.

[Gentleman 3]

I think the lack of really solid scum reads this game is interesting.

I think it's pretty typical for a game of this format, where a wrong scumread can be more damaging than a wrong townread.

[Gentleman 3]

I think scum want to aim to lose no scum before intermission, then kill me.

This is AtE, and so full of deceit I'm surprised you managed to get it closed without it seeping through the cracks.

How is that AtE?

[Gentleman 3]

Okay, it is LAMIST, but LAMIST isn't scummy especially coming from the most townread player in the game.

[Gentleman 3]

My final issue is that I do not believe there was any genuine attempt to make this pairing happen despite it seeming like it was the thing L5 wanted.

Well, yeah, it wasn't what I wanted...

[Gentleman 3]

That post was an excuse for not actually doing anything productive towards town.

If not doing anything productive is a scumtell, why aren't you voting G8?

[Gentleman 3]

You played the first half of day 1 solidly enough to convince people to trust you and then from there somehow your process just completely dissolved, your reads went to crap and you're trying to act like you don't trust anyone.

What is the point of posts like this? Are you trying to convince G6 that he's scum?

[Gentleman 3]

No. If you don't get it, you don't get it. I'm not really interested in explaining it right now.

Well then, I really can't feel bad for you when nobody listens to you.

[Gentleman 3]

Brilliant deduction, Watson.

I mean, I disagree with it. It's not a foregone conclusion.

[Gentleman 3]

I'm not saying that he doesn't trust anyone

I'm saying he's acting like he doesn't trust anyone

But, uh, if he is town who doesn't trust anyone, then he would act like he doesn't trust anyone...

[Gentleman 3]

That's not even BoP, it's literally just pure confirmation bias.

[Gentleman 3]

You interpreted the purpose of the post I made as specifically for trying to convince Gentleman 6 he's scum

So now you're trying to say that people aren't going to read posts I make to other people?

I asked you to explain. You straight up said you wouldn't explain. I told you that if you don't explain what you're doing to people, they're not going to listen to you.

[Gentleman 3]

The only time I would need you to listen to me is if you actually understood what that post was trying to do

I didn't know this because I don't know what that post was trying to do.

[Gentleman 3]

why are you trying to manipulate me into explaining the obvious to you?

Because if the purpose of that post was, as I thought but was not sure about, to convince other people that G6 was scum, then I wanted to tell you to use real arguments instead of empty rhetoric.

But I wasn't going to assume anything I could just ask about; wrong assumptions can lead to a breakdown of communication.

[Gentleman 3]

Gentleman 3, you are so very much reading posts that I'm writing and drawing an entirely different conclusion from them than what I intend and it's really quite frustrating.

If this is the case, I apologize.

But I'm obviously not doing it on purpose. Sometimes things that you think are obvious aren't really. It almost never hurts to humble yourself and explain it.

[Gentleman 3]

So why would you not pick her?

Read on and find out

[Gentleman 3]

Or, you know, make stupid guesses and ad hoc modifications to support your preconception. Your choice.

[Gentleman 3]

Huh?

[Gentleman 3]

Chill hes obviously rereading, despite what he says

Yeah but he also already seems to have an opinion despite not knowing any of the context.

[Gentleman 3]

@G7 @G4 @G6 @G3

Do any of you scum read me?

Not actively, however I also believe it would be almost impossible at this point to call you town confidently enough to bet the game on it.

Same goes for G8, really, although there are a few people who could replace in and town it up to that degree.

[Gentleman 3]

Why does L3's alignment have anything to do with it?

[Gentleman 3]

At that point we must figure out who out of L6/L9 is scum.

L9

I'm trusting G6 on this. If it's wrong then he took over the game and singlehandedly wrecked it and well I don't really feel a town loss is inappropriate there.

[Gentleman 3]

L6 is most likely scum trying to avoid getting the pair of G1/L2 lynched.

If L6 is scum their wincon is certainly not to keep the scum in G1/L2 alive to endgame. Scum have no incentive to keep each other alive here. What they have an incentive to do is to avoid creating any associatives.

[Gentleman 3]

Oh and an FYI.
I will fuckin push you when I need to.
And you will fuckin die if your scum.
If your town I’ll also know.

If you could sort L6 that'd be fantastic.

[Gentleman 3]

VOTE: G8/L5

Put that couple out of its misery.

[Gentleman 3]

There's almost certainly no higher EV play than trusting G6 and leaving my couple alive, by the way. We've pretty much lost any hope of playing this game in any sort of reasonable way and so I'm willing to just bite the bullet and say we lose if L6 is scum.

[Gentleman 3]

G8/L5 has even more strikes against it than it did before, and it already had too many
G2/L9 probably would have died had L9 been town and L9 has not been impressive anyway
G1/L2 definitely can't live.

G7/L7 is the only other pair I would consider letting live, and they should probably be the other final pair apart from us.

[Gentleman 3]

Knock yourself out, but I won't be listening to you over G6 if you come to a different conclusion from him.

[Gentleman 3]

And while I appreciate you doing us the public service of replacing into this shithole of a game, it's probably not worth your time to put a lot of effort into solving, unless you're the type of person who frequently replaced into big games and solves them very quickly and accurately.

[Gentleman 3]

Why not?

[Gentleman 3]

And furthermore... isn't that exactly what you were asking us to do in 3881?

[Gentleman 3]

Because what basis do you have to trust in them to be accurate?

The majority of people are right the majority of the time when making a claim like that. And that's way better than we would get in a disorganized town that's 30% scum and plagued by petty fights and AFKers.

[Gentleman 3]

I have a question, roughly what was the consensus read on the intermission kill pairing?

People thought L4 was town, G5 was pretty awful midday but was getting better.

[Gentleman 3]

I'm brand new to the game in a pairing that appears to be on the threshold of being lynched for reasons that aren't necessarily alignment indicative. That's not quite the same thing.

I don't imagine you would want us to give you time to get reads if you didn't want us to then listen to them?

[Gentleman 3]

A claim like what, exactly?

"This person is definitely town"

[Gentleman 3]

L7 is a scumread based off primarily how she is structuring her posts.

Explain.

[Gentleman 3]

A fresh set of eyes is rarely a bad thing to have in a game that devolved to how it currently is.

No, of course not. But it's a little hypocritical to say "make sure to give me time to get reads out before you kill me-- and also, you shouldn't be listening to the reads of dead townies."

[Gentleman 3]

I agree with this quite a bit, and the only thing that would change my mind on this is if L5/G8 flips T/T.

Why would that change your mind?

[Gentleman 3]

She talks in words that look like they're solving, but the way she's going about it looks like she's reading off a powerpoint slide rather than actually solving.

Sounds like a personality thing.

[Gentleman 3]

I'm just confused about why it's so important that we let you get your reads in, then.

Pedit: @L5

[Gentleman 3]

Do you think your reads matter?

[Gentleman 3]

Whether my reads matter or not depends on whether there's any chance that there will be any results from me putting the effort in to solve. Obviously my reads don't matter regardless of accuracy if this isn't the case.

Do you think people SHOULD be listening to your reads after you die, assuming you're lynched next and flip town?

[Gentleman 3]

Whatever you say, L7.

Who's being condescending now :/

[Gentleman 3]

G3 talk to me about the why for 3880 when you get a chance.

What specifically about it?

[Gentleman 3]

The entire pre-dance phase, he's not angling to set himself up with a survivable partner, which I think is one of scum's main goals.

Uhh... I'm pretty sure I was more interested than anyone else in finding a survivable partner.

[Gentleman 3]

Notably, your stances are:

G8/L5 is scummy because many reasons.
G2/L9 should be dead already.
G1/L2 is scummy.
G7/L7 should be the other F4.

Combine that with the awkward defense of you, from G7, and I want to know why you think things 1-3.

Your slot was completely absent through almost the entire game and that makes it almost impossible to confidently read, even if you were to become active starting now. L5, meanwhile, had a whole pile of unsavory interactions which you should be able to ISO her and see.

L9 has done nothing to warrant being townread and despite this, she would have probably been the correct NK had she been town because of the risk of her becoming obvtown or townread by G2.

G1 was also absent and has been kinda unimpressive, plus he was G6's major scumread, which I don't want to disregard.

On a related note, the above explanations are not the primary reason I want my pair to survive. The primary reason is that G6 and L8 were both clearly strong players (stronger than me, likely), and I also townread them both, and they both were confident my pair was T/T. What I've given above are just auxiliary arguments, to supplement the main one.

[Gentleman 3]

The idea that he wouldn't understand what I wanted him to explain about the post that is "I want to lynch everyone but me for *reasons*" is also pretty

I mean I would think you would have realized that that post was a culmination of the feelings of a lot of people over the course of the game. I wouldn't just pull something out of my ass and present it like that.

[Gentleman 3]

Spoiler: L5

If anything I’m Null.
If I’m scummy, explain why.

If I was scum I would have instantly accepted Gent 5’s proposal. Did you think of that?

You aren't townread enough for me/you to work out. I think it's pretty clear.

“Hey I need someone thats going to live, sorry toots.”

This does not come from a town perspective.

Oh fuck off, he’s just trying to make sure Town isn’t going to miss Lynch him tomorrow and you even said they would if I became partners with him. Stop shading this.

SEE. This is why I couldn’t trust you enough to be your partner.
Funny enough I also don’t trust Lady 4 so you two make a great pair in that sense.

Good morning.

I am assuming either some of yall are overseas or dont sleep because wtf.

Anyways I skimmed through the new stuff and idk if making comments on any of it matters. Im not sure why G3 is stalling his proposal when hes the last active gentleman in the game, idk why hes crying about people telling him who to pair up (if he pairs with L5, hes getting speedlynched tomorrow). Idk why L7 is even posting? Some good tidbits from G6. Im fine with L3 going vla for the rest of predance as long as G4 is ok with that and she still answers questions directed to her. Also glad to see L6 turning it around for some people atleast.

G3 needs to make a proposal today. At this point we are all just standing around waiting for replacements so lets get something done today

First of all you keep trying to call him scum and I’m confused as to why.

Good morning.

I am assuming either some of yall are overseas or dont sleep because wtf.

Anyways I skimmed through the new stuff and idk if making comments on any of it matters. Im not sure why G3 is stalling his proposal when hes the last active gentleman in the game, idk why hes crying about people telling him who to pair up (if he pairs with L5, hes getting speedlynched tomorrow). Idk why L7 is even posting? Some good tidbits from G6. Im fine with L3 going vla for the rest of predance as long as G4 is ok with that and she still answers questions directed to her. Also glad to see L6 turning it around for some people atleast.

G3 needs to make a proposal today. At this point we are all just standing around waiting for replacements so lets get something done today

Here you said We’d be a speed lynched pair yet you question his decision.

You just scum slipped I think buddy, have fun.

L5 didnt read my recent posts from yesterday obviously.

G3-L5 is the worse option for him, L2, 6, and 7 need to be paired first.

I dont control the town, I just know im going to leave my vote on G3-L5 tomorrow if that happens.

You think I can’t solve?
You think I’m playing bad?
Dang man if this slot is getting this much shade I may just replace out so you don’t view me as some sort of easy miss lynch.
I think the only reason you all don’t like me is because my lack of responses and content.
Yet I did say I would be busy.

@Mod

Is it possible to replace Out and grab someone to replace in?

That way no one will know I replaced out, and I’ll find someone who’s so good you wouldn’t even notice the replace out but they play better.

Also someone who keeps the PFP and Town reads Gent 3.

Sorry I’m playing like trash RN lol.
I’d vote myself out too.
When I first started I wasn’t that bad and anyone scumming me at that point I question.
The in the middle of it I was so busy and lazy that even Gent 5 and Lady 4 shaded me hard.
And my recent actions where I wine like a little bitch because I played like garbage makes me question my own sanity.
Hopefully I can get a second chance or at the least my lad if she replaces in.
I’ll try to contribute the best I can (but I am multiballing hard RN)
If she dose accept to replace me I’ll do it in an instant and you’ll never even know it’s her playing and not me. :p.

I hate the way that Lady 5 is playing regardless of their alignment.

Yeah me too!

[Gentleman 3]

G1 isn't scummy, just not towny. I can't link that.

[Gentleman 3]

Spoiler: G6 on my pair

G3 L6 isn't scum m8s

Liek I think that

G3/L6
and G8/L5

are probably better endgame contenders than G4/L3 for example.

Like G3/L6 is unironically a slot that should be in endgame, G4/L3 should not be anywhere near endgame, I'd prefer G8/L5 not make it but I don't think that they're scum either.

No, there isn't. The whole point of informed minority vs uninformed majority is that 1 to 1 trades are good for the majority. Funny, chess applies to more than just chess.

That's not how this game works.
fF you have a known TvT pair.
AKA, G3/L6

And you have two pairs with 1 known town in them, the game is over.

T-T
TvS(at worst)
TvS(at worst)

You can lynch every other pairing in any order and then kill the two pairings that are at worst TvS and then the game is over.

Let's see

G6/L8 is an endgame TvS at worst pairing
G2/L9 is an endgame TvS at worst pairing
G3/L6 is an endgame TvT pairing
G7/L7 is an endgame TvT pairing

What's left?

L4/G5
G1/L2
G4/L3
G8/L5

I think G3/L6 is likely the Moment/TheBrie of this game where the constituent players are lynchbaity and not strong performers so even though they're obvtown and are paired by some random buff handsome stranger together people will refuse to take them seriously as an endgame TvT pair.

If my pairing dies over intermission, my dying wish is that you guys treat G3/L6 pairing as conftown.

More sure on G3 town than G1 scum. But G1 should be scum.

G3/L6 should not be lynched

Here's where I'm at.

I know for sure that G3/L6 is TvT.

I also have a pairing that I'm 90%+ sure is TvT, not my own.

If I die, I leave you G3/L6.
If I don't and something like L9/G2 dies, we can discuss as a group between the two locktown pairings.
If I don't and G3/L6 dies, we discuss between my other locktown pairing and me/L8.

I have already named the path to victory.

If I die, kill everyone besides L9/G2 and G3/L6 in any order then kill L9/G2.

If I don't die, I need to plan around when in that order I get rid of myself and L8 to confirm my reads as coming from town, so I'm not giving an immediate path.
This isn't complicated and you trying to portray me as undersharing my reads when I've literally given town enough to win on assuming we flip scum (we will) is amusing.
Just because in some lobbies you can shitcase me and people will vote me because I'm me doesn't mean that actually applies to this game.

best defense to this idea is that I took way too long to do anything here. If I were scum do you think I wait until the walls are closing in to start to make my move? No, I act when I see the signs, not just because it serves me better, but because I have more intel gathering potential with my two scumbuddies. Another thing is if I was scum why do I devote myself to catching up in the way I have? As scum I would have avenues out of that problem and I could likely do it without anyone blinking at me doing it.

This is an empty statement.

[Gentleman 3]

Spoiler: L8 on my pair

What assets do you bring to town in your opinion? Like self-evaluation

Probably better at late game. I'm really bad early game. I can't lead town so I think pairing with G6 was a good option.

Lady 8, what are your thoughts on Gentleman 3 (within what you're willing to share, of course) and who do you think would make a solid partner for him?

Early game I was town reading them for their strong town stance on G5 and me. They have similar reads to me so I tent to town-read those kinds of slots in the early game but there can be deep wolf potential in that slot. As for their partner...

For reference, remaining Gentleman and Ladies:

Gentlemen 1, 3, 7, and 8

have no partners. Of these, only Gentleman 3 has posted in the last day and a half, and only Gentlemen 7 and 3 have posted in the last three days.

Ladies 1, 2, 5, 6, and 7

have no partners. Of these, all have posted in the last 24 hours, with the exception of Lady 1 who hasn't posted in four days.

If your name was listed here, I'm really interested to here your thoughts on prospective partners or if you've already explained that, why you've been pushing for said partner (with the exception of Gentleman 3). Gentlemen 3 seems to be a hot commodity for the Ladies, am I wrong?

I would say they should pair with L6 because that's a really strong town-slot.

I already have auto accept on, but for the record, I merrily accept.

Maybe after the tango, we can waltz.

G3-L6 is a really good pairing.

G3/L6 should not be lynched today.

L8 wasn't as strong on us at the end but she also trusted G6 to have good reads.

[Gentleman 3]

I trust G6 to be right more than I trust any living player, I'll tell you that right now.

[Gentleman 3]

At this point there's no reason not to pick a plan and hope for the best. We don't get any more useful information between now and the end of the game.

So while I'm not 100% confident that L6 is town, it seems like the best bet.

[Gentleman 3]

I said no such thing; it's not as if I could ever claim to have the ability to stop people from suspecting me. It's clearly the highest percentage move from my point of view. It's not clearly so from everyone else's, but I think it probably is anyway.

[Gentleman 3]

L2 is a moderate townlean, increased recently because of her offer to leave, but I was never that focused on reading her since she was always townier than G1.

I am sheeping G6 and L8 on L6.

[Gentleman 3]

Also, wdym with this?

At this point scum have probably decided who they think is most likely to endgame and they won't make an effort to save their other members, meaning we can't draw any conclusions from who does or doesn't want to lynch whom.

Our wincon is to have a T/T pair survive, plain and simple, so we should be picking the most likely T/T pair and killing everyone else.

[Gentleman 3]

I mean there's no formal difference between what you're saying and me saying "you shouldn't lynch me," something which I certainly have the right to say. It sounds like the difference is that what you're accusing me of has an emotional appeal involved (such as the implicit threat of G6 being disappointed or mad), but I don't really see what's leading you to the conclusion that I've made such an appeal. The only emotional appeal in that quoted post was me expressing frustration that the game went the way it did.

[Gentleman 3]

I don't think you're making an emotional appeal. It sounds more like an appeal to authority.

Appeal to authority is "Person of authority X believes Y, so it must be true." I'm saying "Person of authority X believes Y, so it's more likely to be true." That's not a fallacy.

[Gentleman 3]

But there's no information to be gleaned based on who WAS defending which pairs if we flip scum?

In theory, there might be, but the vast majority of discussion thus far has involved at least one pair that's dead. I'm sure as hell not going to wade through the game looking for anything that could be of use.

[Gentleman 3]

You should trust me MORE than you would otherwise, because G6 did.

Whether that's enough to let my pair live to endgame is up to you. In my opinion, since the alternatives are pretty bad, it is.

[Gentleman 3]

G3 has spent a lot of time harping on this G6 point in general, but I like this self defense he's doing the least out of everything he's doing.

Why?

[Gentleman 3]

Spoiler: me being survivalistic

I’m interested g3

If we hypothetically pair and are T/T (and don't die at intermission), do you think the odds are good that we can survive till endgame?

If not, I'd want you to pair with someone with whom you can survive till endgame.

What makes me most nervous about his approach is that he has hinted that he'd like his partner to be chosen for him

I never said this, I want other people's input but if I do intend to survive to endgame I'm not going to pair with someone I don't townread.

From the second half of that post, I basically want to know if people are going to try to lynch me or not.

If they can confidently tell me they aren't, I will probably offer to L7.

Yeah I'm not asking L7. She'd probably just leave on me if town.

Is it because you dont townread her, or because you both are scum?

I don't townread her as confidently as I would like (enough to bet the game on it), and I don't know how confidently the town as a whole townreads her.

Oof the survivability makes me want to throw up.

Also um... you realize that townies need to survive for town to win? If I'm going to be lynched anyway, it doesn't matter who I pair with. It only matters if people won't lynch me, and in that case I want a town partner who won't walk out on me.

You want to make it to endgame, im starting to think its because youre scum.

It's because of math. For any other pair to make it to endgame, we could lose because the gent in that pair is scum, or we could lose because the lady in that pair is scum.

If my pair makes it to endgame, we lose only if the lady is scum. That straight-up halves our chance of losing.

I'm not saying I necessarily should make it to endgame, but it's the most important thing to consider in deciding who to pair with, because let's be real. Probably none of the other unpaired gents are going to live to endgame. So if I'm NOT making it to endgame, it doesn't MATTER who I pair with. Endgame potential is the most salient factor in my decision.

You aren't townread enough for me/you to work out. I think it's pretty clear.

Honestly, not really. I just saw that you got G4 to change his thought process.

I havent changed mine, you are way too worried about staying alive. The only townie that should have that mentality is the IC. The rest comes from scum.

News flash.

Town doesn't win unless townies survive. I don't know if this has occurred to you.

You should actually read the posts. I'm not going to go through explaining the entire thing again.

[Gentleman 3]

@G3, I'm curious about what's been going on in your PT, though. Do you want to talk about it?

It's dead silent. L6 has barely been around and I'm not trying to sort her, nor do I intend to conceal anything from town, so I have no reason to post there.

[Gentleman 3]

I'm reasonably confident there's exactly one scum in {G8, L5, L6} unfortunately I'm now considering the possibility that it's L6 which kinda wrecks every solid plan I had because I still want L9 dead but I can't say I trust G1/L2 as an endgame pairing.

[Gentleman 3]

Like if L6 and I are both town then G8 and L5 both replacing in and going hard on us for no reason is, like, absurdly sketchy... but if L6 is scum, then it seems kinda dumb for them to do that.

[Gentleman 3]

L6 how confident are you that L9 is town?

[Gentleman 3]

If it's very confident, we can do flip us -> G2/L9 endgame if T/T, G8/L5 endgame if T/S.

[Gentleman 3]

I just really have a hard time believing that scum would leave an IC/T pair alive if the IC wasn't literally planning to leave asap. Especially since it's not like they killed an obvtown pair either.

Yeah I'm kinda talking myself into L6/L9 scumteam ngl

[Gentleman 3]

I wanna jam with L9 and G1, I haven't interacted with either of them hardly at all and I think sorting them is the key here.

[Gentleman 3]

For the record being 6:2 feels a lot more manageable than 7:3 in case anyone was wondering why I'm reevaluating so abruptly. I didn't think it would feel different but it does, having that redflip really changes a lot. Well done L7

[Gentleman 3]

^Indeed. Gentleman 8, could you like...tell me an opinion of yours? Any opinion will help at this point.

Hmm. SvS?

[Gentleman 3]

Okay, so the next little bit is pretty much the same thing.

Can we lynch G8/L5 first?
1. They're both pretty scummy and I feel fairly confident at least 1 will flip scum (probably not both, though).
2. They're going to be lynched anyways and we might as well do it now. I'd rather have more information from that lynch first.
3. This will give me time to read and try to make an informed opinion that lets me sort through the noise a bit better?
4. This lets other people in thread cool their heads.

VOTE: Gentleman 8

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[Gentleman 3]

As for G3, I didn't really like a couple of his recent posts but I don't think that he's scum.

Goddammit I paired with scum didn't I.

[Gentleman 3]

Idk the simplest explanation for G7's bullshit townread on me is that there's a scum in my pair.

[Gentleman 3]

I might just leave the dance if we won't lynch either of those pairs because there's a theoretical chance of listening when I'm dead.

Screw that shit. You have a vote. Use it.

[Gentleman 3]

Pretty sure L5 is town btw.

[Gentleman 3]

So I guess the most likely teams are L6/L9 and G1/G8.

G1/L9 and G8/L9 are the ones that concern me though.

[Gentleman 3]

So try to convince other people to vote with you.

[Gentleman 3]

I really don't see why G8 can't be town.

[Gentleman 3]

The pairing pick, the first G8 doing nothing and G7 defending it in his iso, the second g8 doing fuck all

So lurkers are never town?

[Gentleman 3]

This is why we can't have nice things.

[Gentleman 3]

Trust L6 on L9, I guess...

G8/L5 HAVE to go.

[Gentleman 3]

God freaking dammit WHAT DID I SAY ABOUT IMPULSE LEAVING. I WARNED Y'ALL.

[Gentleman 3]

I think just murder G8/L5 with fire and then cross your fingers that L9 isn't scum. Really can't think of anything better.

[Gentleman 3]

(This is assuming L6 is town of course, if she's scum then lol)

[Gentleman 3]

Actually I think there's a non-negligible chance she is scum trying to minimize associations...

I think G8/L5 is the best bet for T/T in that case.

[Gentleman 3]

Yeah um

L6 if you are town I have a few issues with what you just did

[Gentleman 3]

Now she's not even responding.

God I hope that was a scum leave.

[Gentleman 3]

Every single thing you just said there was wrong.

[Gentleman 3]

The only vote I made all game was for G8/L5.

[Gentleman 3]

You didn't warn me, either. You made a vague threat, that's not the same as saying "Hey G3, I'm gonna leave by X time, get in any last words before I do."

[Gentleman 3]

Absolutely incorrect. You are so incompetent that you can't even see I've been pushing scum for days.

If nobody agrees with you, what's more likely... that they're all bad at listening, or that you are bad at explaining?

[Gentleman 3]

You make it impossible to build a coalition by listening to scum, so I can never trust you. Period.

What are you even talking about, how can you know who I am trusting when I don't even know who I'm trusting?

[Gentleman 3]

All the town that did listen are dead so bad at listening at best.

Gee I wonder why that is

MAYBE BECAUSE THEY ALL LEFT FOR STUPID REASONS.

[Gentleman 3]

Man after all this I STILL don't think L9 is town.

[Gentleman 3]

Idk. Say what you want, you leaving was premature. I was just starting to actually get engaged with the game, for the first time in a while.

[Gentleman 3]

Okay.

Disengaging.

If anyone else is around and wants to talk about anything, go for it.

If not, GL town. See you on the other side.

[Gentleman 3]

What I'll say is, I think if scum left L9 around to mislynch her, they would have... made some effort to mislynch her at some point. Pretty much nobody has. That's a red flag.

[Gentleman 3]

And while it's not impossible for L5 and G8 to both replace in as town and start hard pushing my pair just at the point where I'm trying to garner support for us being T/T, it's pretty damn sketchy.

[Gentleman 3]

So don't take my word for it. But I think the pair with the fewest strikes against it is yours.

[Gentleman 3]

How do you personally feel about G1?

[Gentleman 3]

I mean I assume L6 is town and not just scum hitting below the belt for literally no reason.

[Gentleman 3]

If you're paranoid of him, does that mean you do townread him, or you did townread him?

It's certainly possible that you and L7 were both in T/S pairings, but I'd still lean toward L9 scum over G1. (And if they're both scum and G8/L5 is T/T then lol)

[Gentleman 3]

Can we really rule out L9+G1 scumteam here?

Not rule it out so much as L5 and G8 both replacing in and pushing on my pair for bullshit reasons just has such an easy and obvious scum motivation. I don't think them both being town is impossible, but it's extremely unlikely that you could ever confidently convince yourselves of that.

[Gentleman 3]

In all honesty, I don't like to play blame games, but if we lose this (assuming you're town), you shouldn't feel bad at all. This game has just had so much bullshit.