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Read up to page 2. Just going to do it 2 pages at a time, otherwise I forget why I pcked specific posts out.
Mala bit at the RVS bait very easily. Either Newb or just pushing very hard from early on.In post 17, Malakittens wrote:
Clearly the person didn't want to be in the game for unknown reasons. I don't see how Luigi hopping on and voting someone forIn post 16, jmo16mla wrote:
Where is it said he didn't pick his role PM?In post 15, Malakittens wrote:"...."
How is replacing someone suspicious? The original person never picked/confirmed their role PM. I really doubt that's shows any relevance to alignment.
As I said, if anyone has any questions, feel free to ask me.thatreason is acceptable. FS has recently replaced out of an ongoing game (only time I'm going to mention it and not going into details) so as I said I don't think it's relevant to alignment.
Well, when Rach, went into the newbie game to get the replacement she never said "He didn't confirm" so that means he never picked it up.
Luigi asking to drop it rather than answer seems suspicious. To much heat early on?In post 31, Luigilewis889 wrote:
Your reasoning was that you didn't like bees. I fail to see the logic. I don't consider it unfair, just... odd. I'm fine with it, really, I just think it's weird.jmo16mla wrote:Maybe my reasoning was deemed better? You think it was unfair that you were questioned, and not me?
Look, I was putting up a joke vote, throwing it out there like the rest of us. Can we just drop it?
I don't think Mothrax would openly coach Grey if they were scum team. So I do not think Mothrax/Grey combo but either could individually still be.In post 38, uoyeluri wrote:Well hello there fellows.
Glad to see that I missed the truly silly part of RVS and get to make some comments on what has happened so far.
I like the way Malakittens handled the Luigi vote and Jmo'a subsequent questioning. I think Luigii is just being a little overzealous in this Jmo conversation. I am a bit confused as to why Jmo seems to think the best answer to a vote with no explanation is ANOTHER vote with no explanation.
Also, a quick note to Jmo: I know you're an IC, so can you try to keep the double posts to a minimum?
The only other thing I have to comment on right now is #24. Mothrax seems to be coaching here, asking a question of grey and then giving him a road map of sorts to give the right answer to pull early attention off of him. So, I will semi-randomly yet still informedVote: Mothrax- Gen_Wolf
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Ok Up to page 4 now.
I disagree with this, up until this point I felt JMO had more town vibes than moth and mala.In post 56, tybalt wrote:Correction: moth and mala town vibes, JMO a little less so.
Sorry for the double post
Agree. I feel coaching in newbie games is null tell.In post 57, Malakittens wrote:/reminds herself I'm in a newbie game.
I really don't know if coaching is a decent argument in a newbie game as majority of everyone is new, but the IC/SEs. There is going to be a decent amount of 'coaching' which I would guess in the nature of where we are can, but at the same time can't be considered alignment indicative.
@Tybalt:
How is ThaneArvsn being neutral?
UNVOTE: Jmo
Encouraging voting for quick lynch or just asking? Felt scummy when I read it but seems less scummy now I am explaining it but I will put it out there for the record.In post 65, Malakittens wrote:ThaneArvan,
You are still side-lining though. You haven't placed a vote. Do you have any scum-suspects worthy enough for a vote?
For this JMO explains scum usually jump from wagon to wagon. The lack of this in this game makes me think either experience (which is unlikely) or lack of activity. I.E. LuigiIn post 76, jmo16mla wrote:
I'm the one and only IC here(;In post 73, ThaneArvan wrote:I have played mafia in real life but never via forum, I am used to beig able to rely on expressions and tone. I'm not quite sure where I go from here with progressing advice. Can one of the ICs explain this to me? Also, I fail to see how it is anti town not to use a vote
There aren't many 100% reliable scum reads if any.
It's all about someone's play. Scum can't scum hunt since they already know who town is and who their scum partner(s) are. Typically scum like to jump from wagon to wagon to he someone lynched. If someone is very passive and not taking a side, they could possibly be scum. This is a scum tell because scum don't want to be forced to choose one or the other, for the most part, they want to make everyone happy. Staying passive also keeps scum available to jump on any wagon, as they don't always have definite reads.
It takes a while, some faster than others to fully understand people's playstyles and develop good scum hunting skills.
Agree with this.In post 79, Malakittens wrote:I asked you a question, but no I never answered it.
Thane's first post was #10..
You voted him in #55..
He didn't provide anything.. Anything to be neutral.. You're basically voting a lurker who's not really being considered a lurker.
Now if second post came before your #55 then you might have a chance with that argument, but right now you're grasping at straws.
Sorry Tybalt, but I don't like your latest post. You seem to be tryin to find your footing, but it's really weak and really giving me a bad vibe. I can see new scum going for the lets vote a lurker card to try to avoid attention and look like they are helping.
VOTE: Tybalt
Luigi not helping his case. Had a quick lookover, saw a few votes on Thane and thus followed the bandwagon.In post 81, Luigilewis889 wrote:Apologies for not having posted for a while, haven't really had much to say. Anyway, after a quick lookover...
VOTE: Thane
Still hasn't voted, and with a lot of discussion and accusations going around, even a couple in my direction, I can think of a few reasons, but the most prominent in my mind at the moment is unsure of who to put pressure on to get lynched. Which is mainly done as Mafia, in my experience.- Gen_Wolf
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Short post, no content, silly question. Just trying to look active.In post 109, jmo16mla wrote:Why are you so concerned?
Putting words in peoples mouths trying to create something that is not.In post 119, talah wrote:So also mothrax, in saying that you're not seeing the Mala case, does that mean that you *do* actually see a case for Thane?
Agree with all 3 things mothrax says in this post.In post 120, mothrax wrote:Not particularly no.
Grey is my top scumread ATM, but I need to reread the last couple of pages. I didn't like luigi and your case on mala seems reaching.
Reaching. If you know you are reaching then why do you pursue it??In post 124, talah wrote:
Well, no, I'm not voting for you to be lynched because ofIn post 121, Malakittens wrote:
Wait, you're voting me because I'm caring about your prior slot putting someone at L-2?
I'm not sure what type of response you are expecting from me in regards to this. I could suggest you meta me regarding this, but it's your call. I don't like early L-1/L-2 wagons because there's not much information to go off in-case of a quick lynch. If there's a flip (regardless of alignment) due to interactions with everyone it brings me one step closer to figuring out the scum from town members.your voteon the previous slot exactly. I only know that the previous slot is now my slot, which is Town (and which Scum would know, and therefore be a target of). However, Luigi was abrasive so that's a very very weak tell for me to criticise you voting against.
I also admit I'm reaching by questioning the 'don't want you to flip scum' quote itself, but the answer was incoherent, if you don't mind me saying (which I'm sure you shouldn't):Malakittens wrote: I'm not, but I don't want you to flip scum looking for an easy target.
Fropome seems town to me. Shmaaking his play!In post 130, Fropome wrote:Okay I see my predecessor had their vote on mothrax. just want to point out that I'm leaning town on moth and won't be putting that vote back.
Same as earlier. Not contributing much. Just posting for activity purposes.In post 132, jmo16mla wrote:I didn't even notice he had voted me. Lol
Are you voting me because I didn't have any votes?
I am pretty sure he would feel shit. How is this question relevant though?In post 142, talah wrote:Fropome, how would you react on Day 2, if you led the charge for a mislynch on Day 1 with a strong but incorrect read?- Gen_Wolf
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Are you admitting your scum?; Don't really see why you'd openly tell people to question whether your town or not town?In post 151, Honey bee wrote:*yawn*prod Mr. Thanearvan please Mod or maybe replace him. He hasn't been any more active since the post where he said he would be.
Grey do you have any other reads other than Talah?
You are a very strange player, talah. First off, when I asked for reads I meant scum reads. I don't care about town reads either, I only see scumminess and lack there of. So far, I haven't really gotten an idea of what you find scummy. You back down from things, double-thinking, and a lot of strange side comments. Like right now you have your vote on Grey, but you call him a good questioner. Isn't him mostly questioning what got you suspicious of him? And doesn't this criticism apply to jmo too? I can not see consistent suspicions in your posts, and for all the discussion in the thread you should have a stance on something.
Why am I strong read? just cause I put effort into my posts does not make me town.
Classic excuse. Awful excuse. For someone who doesn't like a lot of fluff you have done very well at providing us with a lot.In post 153, jmo16mla wrote:It's more difficult being an IC you know, being my first time and all, even harder. Most people on site don't like other people going to your posts and seeing if they are posting in other games. I'm one of them. I post when I feel like I can contribute to the game. Otherwise, I post fluff. Fluff isn't good for town. Plus, using other ongoing games as evidence is breaking the main rule on MS and could result in a modkill.
Quality>quantity.
AgreeIn post 161, mothrax wrote:I'm an easy lynch is never ever ever a good thing to say. Making excuses for poor play is a bad habit.
More fluff kindly sponsored by JMOIn post 162, jmo16mla wrote:
whos scum?In post 161, mothrax wrote:I'm an easy lynch is never ever ever a good thing to say. Making excuses for poor play is a bad habit.
You shitting me? Moth is the most town player right now?In post 165, Greywing wrote:
Scum-wise? Nobody that really sets off alarm bells like Talah does. I'm pretty confident that you are Town, and I'm getting Town reads on Mala and Fro. Besides the three of you, I can't say with confidence.In post 151, Honey bee wrote:Grey do you have any other reads other than Talah?
If I had to pick a second scum right now, I'd go with Moth. Something just seems off to me when I read his posts. My case here is predominantly gut though.
And, Talah does it again. I am pretty sure Talah is scum.
Alright here are my reads up until this point.
Town:
mothrax
Null:
Fropome - came in with a bang but hasnt done much since
Honey bee - good posts but just seems to be in the sidelines
Malakittens - Ah about but not much to go on, one or two small errors but nothing that screams scum.
tybalt - bordering scum section but made some good points
Scum vibes:
talah - I thought luigi was scum and you haven't done anything to change that
Greywing - Your reads are bizarre, voting as well.
jmo16mla - Posted a bunch of fluff after saying you hate fluff, used IC as an excuse, and haven't made an effort to push the game on. No real scum hunting and you are meant to be the most experienced player. The list goes on but you sir seem very scummy.
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Ya it was a rhetorical question. It is just similar to how mothrax approached the easy lynch position (post 161), just not a good thing to say in my opinion thus I bought it up.In post 194, Honey bee wrote:What's so "not defensible" about greywing's reads, talah? Luigi's early posts were bad and he said that he only suspected mothrax on gut reasons. The mala thing he changed his mind on and that WASN'T a random vote. Otherwise I wouldn't have voted him. His questions are at least useful and he's picking up on posts which should be questioned. So while I find your sharp banter amusing, I'm not getting what your case is against him. Instead you should look over tybalt and maybe vote him.
Jmo I just don't get you. I feel like you're just testing my patience.
In post 191, Gen_Wolf wrote: Are you admitting your scum?; Don't really see why you'd openly tell people to question whether your town or not town?
*roll eyes* yes, that isexactlywhat I was doing.
Go back and read again. Talah called me a strong town read, and there's really no good reason for it. When people put strong town reads on me I get suspicious, and I need to know why.
In post 191, Gen_Wolf wrote: Greywing - Your reads are bizarre, voting as well.
Fairplay, but his lack of reasoning is becoming somewhat frustrating.No. This is not scummy. Just because you have a town read on mothrax and he has a bad feeling about mothrax does not make him scummy. You are wrong.
Classic JMO. More fluff.Jmo only has one vote on him from tybalt.
Great analysis.In post 192, jmo16mla wrote:That sounds like scum.
You are tunneling. You have added nothing of substance. When I joined the game I at least gave you the courtesy of reading over everything and then giving my opinions, of which you were the scummiest. You on the other hand have made excuses, fluffed about and just accused this slot of being scum from the get go.In post 202, jmo16mla wrote:I'm not tunneling!?!?! I think he is scum. He needs to be lynched.
Greywing, I read through the game and developed my arguments for those 3 players to become the scummiest. If you would like to see an example by the end of the 4th page I had JMO as my biggest town read, by the end of page 8 is my #1 town read. I have given reasoning's for why these people are scum, unlike you.In post 204, Greywing wrote:First of all, Talah, stop the intentional misspelling of my name in an attempt to insult me. I've treated you with respect throughout this game, and I expect the same in return. Thank you.
And with that introduction, Gen_Wolf has just become my second biggest scum read. I feel like he's deliberately picked the three people who have generated the most suspicion among the playerlist and gave them scumreads in an attempt to look more Town.
I also hate his "admitting to scum" question to Honey. Looks like a way of trying to set up a future wagon against a player who's been very pro-Town thus far, and is generally seen as such.
@Honey: I've reread Tybalt and I can see your case on him. I'll settle for his lynch if it comes down to it, but I'd rather see Talah or Wolf die first. Barring something drastic, I'm not open to anybody else today.
As with the honey situation, I shouldn't have to explain myself twice but I will. It was a rhetorical question, as mothrax said you shouldnt admit your an easy lynch I don't think you should say what honey did, I am allowed that opinion.
Talah finally doing something productive for the game. Good stuff chap, I agree with you here!In post 207, talah wrote:I just don't get your reads reasons.
Everyone else who has given reads has been asked 'why' they're reading in that way. You seem content just to slap a read down without any reasoning. 'Could potentially be scum' is not the point. Why he could potentially be scum, is.
Why do you think JMO could potentially be scum, then?
Greywing, i'm glad you know that your town but not one else knows that and for that reason you cannot just sit around saying I think 'xyz' is scum because I have a gut feeling. Get your shit together man. Give us reasons please, develop a case on someone and then present it, you signed up for the game so now play it properly.In post 208, Greywing wrote:I know I'm Town, and I have Town reads on three other players. Everyone else is potentially scum.
My point is, I don't know. He could be scum, he could be Town.- Gen_Wolf
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Well a slot is scum not the person playing it. Thus, when I read through Luigi came up as scum in my opinion and then when you replaced in that was still the same slot and you started off very scummy but the play has gotten better.In post 212, talah wrote:Welcome to new blood!
@Gen_Wolf:
Also your scum vibe on me (apart from being wrong) almost exactly mimics Grey's rationale for voting me. You're basically voting Luigi. The problem with that is, Luigi's reasons are the only thing I can't possibly describe the truth of. Poison chalice much.
They were my catch up posts and thus I am not going to bring up something that happened on page 1 again when someone else has already stated what I thought, thus I made my opinion of that situation known by agreeing or disagreeing. On the other hand this is a very slow moving game and their is not much else to comment on since I have caught up other than the fact that I believe JMO is digging his grave deeper.In post 214, Hyperion wrote:I see very little in Gen Wolf's posts that would help us catch scum. Its alot of "I agree" or "I disagree" on matters of gameplay that are more about mafia theory than the game at hand. Theres just not alot of substance. Also, he replaced THane, who was on the sidelines, and didnt do anything. I'm leaning scum, but would like to hear alot more from Gen Wolf since he just replaced in.
No, I don't think that is the reason he is voting you. We do not know what you do in your daily life and thus we judge you on the way you play the game. In this instance not very well, I feel you are scum just trying to get through with doing as little as possible.In post 224, jmo16mla wrote:Because between work and school, I'm overloaded. You're voting me because I'm uncommitted?
Okay. So, in case I do get to L-1, it is proper to ask for me to claim my role. This is done to prevent town from lynching a PR.
This is 6 of one and half a dozen of another. Scum predominantly will claim PR but then so will a person if they are a PR. I believe Talah feels you are scum and thus he placed his vote on you. He does not know if you are a PR or not. But if you are a PR you've done a very good job of announcing it prematurely so I am pretty sure you will be the NK in any instance.In post 226, jmo16mla wrote:Then why vote me if you expect me to claim PR?
JMO you are not scum hunting, you are posting random shit to make yourself look busy. Fluff I believe.- Gen_Wolf
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Say what?In post 238, talah wrote:I don't actually give a shit if you're mafia, you know that, right?
I definitely give a shit if he is mafia, why wouldn't you?- Gen_Wolf
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reasoning?
Chilled Talah, try do it ASAP as deadline is approaching. It's hard to give my opinion just purely because I can only give it on a few people because the rest are not playing.
JMO still seems the scummiest to me. His posts are of little or no content.
Talah, orginially I thought you were scummy because of your oscar nominated entrance but I have changed that opinion for now. Feel newb town more than anything, seem to be doing more proper scum hunting.
Honeybee, she's doing goodies probably doing the most scum hunting out of everyone and she has this amazing ability of making herself as impartial as possible. Anyways, nothing in her area worries me at the moment.
Mala is a null. Would like to see her post her cases or thoughts.
Moth, I thought moth was a big townie but either he is not coming back or he is now just watching from the sidelines.
Grey, hasn't done much either so can't really say anything.
Activity has been low so it is a really slow going game, especially considering deadline is so close. Will do another read through see if I pick up on anything but we really just need people to post please.- Gen_Wolf
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Post 259 you vote Tybalt. Then (as shown below) post 275 you vote JMO. What change in 16 posts that your opinion went from Tybalt to JMO other than the fact a wagon was forming?? i know you said no scumhunting and no reading of the thread but you seemed so adamant about Tybalt.
Thank youIn post 264, mothrax wrote:alright....
anywho...
Im in the process of catching up...
Welcome Hyperion and Gen...
I'm male, just so ya know, guys... the avatar is left over from a modern family UPick I played in like... 2 years ago...
Ya flip she is hot, one of the only reasons I watch modern Fam. Off-topic sorry
If I am going to be honest, I do not trust you so I do not think I will be voting Moth anytime soon. I have to laugh because you vote Mala no reason, and now you vote Mothrax no reason but then when questioned you don't offer an explanation either. Is this just another one of your pressure tests that you are doing to everyone. Your play just gets worse and worse.In post 274, jmo16mla wrote:Morthax is scum.
Trust me on this one
VOTE: morthax
How is my vote bad? You keep bringing up me using the ic excuse, I said it was difficult.
You're pushing non reasons that don't point me towards being scum and I'm not liking it.
At all.
(I also hope everything is ok with your father.)
This is here to emphasize my above point about your vote changing so quickly.In post 275, talah wrote:I think that was a couple votes off, since Tybalt and I changed votes at the last L-2.
VOTE: JMO
Talah, another off play from you. You do not want someone claiming before they have to? Only when there is intent to hammer must JMO claim. I do not see why you would encourage an early claim? Please explain yourself.In post 291, jmo16mla wrote:
Because claiming, is anti town.In post 289, talah wrote:I'm pretty sure you're at L-2. I'm voting because of no scumhunting, no threadreading, which you'd know if you read the thread.
Why not just claim? Rather than drag it out?
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it's clear you are not reading the game properly, firstly Thane is no longer playing and secondly he voted for Tybalt?In post 280, jmo16mla wrote:No. There is no intent to hammer me. Why would I need to claim?
You just had a brilliant reason to vote who? Thane? Now it's back on me?
Hyperion, shot for your opinions but they seem very brief, other than the Mala one. I would like to see your case for Tybalt town though please?- Gen_Wolf
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Relevance?In post 333, talah wrote:How do you cut and paste quotes on your phone?
Relevance, if he says it is autocorrect then it is autocorrect. If you know he is lying then just say so but if he wants to say its autocorrect let him.In post 336, talah wrote:What kind of phone do you have?
Yet your vote is on Tybalt from what I believe, so does that mean Tybalt is grasping more than JMO??In post 355, Malakittens wrote:I don't think it's solid. In fact I think he's grasping.
Jammer, had to go to the airport yesterday and it was a friday so i got drunkIn post 365, talah wrote:(ohgawd, double-triple post, HB is going to be so pissed at me.)
@Rach-Mayor-Mod, may we please have an updated votecount? Please ignore my earlier request as I'll also ignore it. Are prods in order on a weekend for 24h+ delinquents? That's Gen_wolf, tybalt and Greywing, for the record
Thanks *cheesy grin*
You are saying you are a strong player in this game? Please do me a favour and show me where you have contributed other than your pointless 'pressure votes' and your trust me its mothrax and then all of a sudden it is Mala because she said you are grasping? You constantly contradict yourself.In post 366, jmo16mla wrote:
Night killed honey. Scum love to say someone is grasping at straws over and over again just to try to ignore and deflect.In post 362, mothrax wrote:In post 361, jmo16mla wrote:Town really needs to look at mothrax's lynch better. Scum know they are getting away with lynching a stronger player. Mala would likely be next.
I've had a town read on mala all game. You're grasping at straws. And really? Stronger player? Uh-huh.
As pointed out, you call Mala scum because she said you are grasping, but when pointed out that Mothrax did the same thing it is irrelevant? You constantly contradict yourself saying something is scummy if one player does it but then it isnt if another does it? So who is scum then, is it Mala or is it mothrax?
In post 367, jmo16mla wrote:Like I said, I want who everyone wants to lynch tomorrow, NOW.In post 369, jmo16mla wrote:That proves nothing? Who are you lynching tomorrow? Or are you not going to reply because you are scum?
It doesn't hold you to anything, you are just stirring the pot before deadline so that people start accusing one another hoping it inevitably leads to a no lynch or a mislynch. JMO you are blatant scum.In post 373, jmo16mla wrote:Because it holds you to your reads. Now answer it scum.
Both Greywing and Tybalt have been very quite, I would be interested to know what their views on the current situation are?
@Talah, why are you so worried about if JMO thinks you are scum or town??
Rach, can we get vote counts a little more often please, just makes things a tad easier to follow. Dankie (It means thank you )- Gen_Wolf
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I have had suspicions on JMO since page 8? I'm not an opportunist pushing a wagon. I believe he is scum and I have voted for him.In post 396, Greywing wrote:
Mothrax, although I'll accept a lynch of Talah or Wolf. They've been pushing your wagon heavily. If you flip Town (which I highly suspect you will,) then I don't see how the scum team isn't in this group.In post 367, jmo16mla wrote:Like I said, I want who everyone wants to lynch tomorrow, NOW.
@Jmo: Before someone hammers you, do you see Talah as the most likely partner for Mothrax then?
Clearly you haven't been following the game. I put the first vote on you mate? How can I hammer when I voted you back on page 8?In post 400, jmo16mla wrote:Hah, I wasn't hammered by gen? Great. If you guys didn't see town intent in my posts earlier, then I don't know what you're thinking.
Talah, I've stopped caring what you say. I can't even read what you're saying. Which part is "classic scum play"? Give me examples of them. Give me examples of where you have seen this before as scum.
Gen Is still scum. He and morthax is very opportunistic. Where did I say gen wasn't talah?
Gen still LIED saying I thought mala was scummy after I voted moth.
So, where did you pull "so you're my sure about gen?" Out of your ass? Who said that? How did that quote say anything about gen?
It was clearly saying if you're not scum with mothrax, you're probably not sum. Nothing about gen.
Secondly, I never said that. I said there was a contradiction in your play because you:
As pointed out, you call Mala scum because she said you are grasping, but when pointed out that Mothrax did the same thing it is irrelevant? You constantly contradict yourself saying something is scummy if one player does it but then it isnt if another does it? So who is scum then, is it Mala or is it mothrax?- Gen_Wolf
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Stop being lazy and go look for it. You've already put min effort into this game. I'm not fucking spoon feeding you.
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Sorry about the above post. My bank card got swiped twice for the same product. I am now thus out of money and of course the bank nor the business are open so I am bit pissed off.
What I was trying to say in a nice way JMO, is that I voted you in post 211. My post's prior to that hold the answer you are looking for. It was a combination of lack of content, also known as fluff, and lack of clear scum hunting a long with a lot of tunnelling. Following my vote in post 211 you continued to post more fluff a long with contradictions in your game. I have noted all of the above in my posts throughout the game. However, if you are still feeling a little lazy to go read them, then don't worry, TRUST ME they are there.- Gen_Wolf
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I'm not catching on, I never revoted you? I've only laid down 1 vote and that was my original on you?In post 415, jmo16mla wrote:I'm not? It's on your opportunistic vote. Those that used the "he's being a bad IC" excuse to vote, should be looked at closely.
I was just wondering why you revoted me. You were already voting me. Not your case.- Gen_Wolf
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Talah is an interesting species. Firstly, he is set on you, quite romantic infact, maybe you should date. Jokes. Seriously though, it is quite hard to get a read on Talah let a lone anyone else because this game has become centered around JMO and Talah's argument and in my opinion for this game to move forward one of the two of you have to be lynched. I think Talah is more newb than scum. He, however, is very stubborn and thus has almost tunneled you. In a way I think he got his first scum read on you and from then on forgotten about the other players in the game. An example of this is where you asked him to give an analysis on me but he has ignored it.In post 436, jmo16mla wrote:Mala, your opinion on talah?
Gen, your opinion on talah?
Talah, your opinion on gen?
To sum up I would say Talah is newb town.
I also feel the dispute between you two is becoming more personal than professional. Thus, if the game is to move forward one of you two have to go. Else day two is going to be a complete fucking dog show as day 1 has become.- Gen_Wolf
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Because I have had no one else to vote for. Yes, I should probably have unvoted but the wagon was no longer their and thus there is no longer any danger of an imminent hammer.
Anyways, while you are present, please explain why in the last 150 odd posts you have done the bare minimum to contribute to scum hunting:
Post #317:
Post #396@Jmo: Since it looks like you're dying today, who would be your other choice as scum?
Post #398:Mothrax, although I'll accept a lynch of Talah or Wolf. They've been pushing your wagon heavily. If you flip Town (which I highly suspect you will,) then I don't see how the scum team isn't in this group.
@Jmo: Before someone hammers you, do you see Talah as the most likely partner for Mothrax then?
Post #456I thought so too at first so I went back and checked before I made that last post. You're at L-1: Wolf, Mothrax, Talah, and Hyperion.
Now, those posts have questions but there is nothing analytical about your play. There are big gaps in between those posts where a lot happened yet you mentioned nothing about those posts? Are they irrelevant or are you just ignoring them?To all those still on the Jmo wagon: Care to explain why you still think this is a viable lynch after Jmo's Townslip after he believed he was hammered? I'm specifically looking at Mothrax and Wolf, as they've both posted since.
Anyways,unvote, my only issue is that Talah and JMO need to get there shit together for day 2.
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In post 456, Greywing wrote:To all those still on the Jmo wagon: Care to explain why you still think this is a viable lynch after Jmo's Townslip after he believed he was hammered? I'm specifically looking at Mothrax and Wolf, as they've both posted since.
Explain.talah wrote:Absolutely, thanks.
VOTE: Tybalt@Rach: Will have limited access till Saturday, if thats ok please, have my final exam on Thursday and driving home on Friday. Will be on the forums and will follow the game but posting will be limited.
Ouens, I realise deadline is approaching so I will try and stay as involved as possible but it will be at limited times. Just a warning but also just letting you know that I am aware deadline is approaching.- Gen_Wolf
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Classic.In post 472, jmo16mla wrote:
uh...In post 468, tybalt wrote:Tues and I'm back, ketchup to be released. Get ready!!!!!
Your reasonings?I want our lynch to be one of Mothrax/Wolf/Talah. As I've said, I believe at least one of the scum is in this group.
This game has hit a standstill. I thought once I went to sleep I would wake up to lots of activity and all that. We need to lynch someone else D2 will be the exact same as now. I am still happy with a JMO lynch. He has been my biggest scum read the whole day and because nothing else seems to be happening. I will also vote Tybalt, his lack of play and his constant I will give you my reads now and then doesn't. Either he is just lazy, in which case I would please urge him to replace out, or its a gambit so he never has to answer up to the questions posted.
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So a JMO lynch is out. Ah i don't know about tybalt, I haven't really looked at him much this game so to lynch him would just be me hopping on a wagon. Ill give his character a read over.In post 474, talah wrote:Yeah I didn't really want to post before deadline but I'm actually against a JMO lynch in principle and probably practice now. I started tunnelling him at a very early stage and have looked back over the sequence of events. I just don't think there's a lot even to be learned if JMO gets lynched and is town, because his statements are terse and easily taken in the wrong way if you've already decided he's mafia.
My two cents. JMO, Grey, Gen, Moth, are any of you prepared to switch your votes to Tybalt? HB's given a pretty good case earlier (ISOing tybalt is the easiest way to find it)- Gen_Wolf
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Ya, because I don't want to be forced into a lynch I don't approve of because we need to lynch someone.
Also its classic he keeps promising an update and never delivers.
Anyways, I'm going to put my vote where it always was. I'm not going to join a bandwagon because we need a lynch! I'm going to lynch someone I think is scum.
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Talah, you are just hopping on any wagon you can get, first it was jmo, then it was tybalt and now it's me. But pretty sure a page ago you said I was fine. You are just wanting to lynch anyone which I am not liking.
Honey, town slips can be faked. Difference is scum slips usually occur unknowingly to the scum player. Town slips can be manufactured and slipped into play. I'm not the biggest believer of them.
Honey, who is on the tybalt wagon please, I'm on my phone so can't really go back and check?- Gen_Wolf
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I believe I answered the contradiction. I said that because I unvoted it does not mean I agreed with a townslip but I had to look at the situation because townslips can be manufactured and thus I would rather be safe or sorry. I said it at the end of day 1 if you want to double check.In post 498, talah wrote:Gen_Wolf, caught one of your pre-crash posts and wanted to clarify that I was in no way jumping from wagon to wagon:
The fake edit was a question I was asking you, when I spotted that you'd 'stubborned up' and effectively said you weren't available for a tybalt lynch even if it meant causing a no-lynch. Several of the things you said in those final couple of furious hours were seemingly contradictory as well, all three of jmo, hb and myself spotted those fairly readily. Any reason for that? (Also 'flaky' means not solid (or probably 'prone to flaking apart') in my land.)In post 482, talah wrote: Agreed, but unless we can get 5 people online to vote on some pretty flaky evidence um...
Fake / Pedit: Gen, we need a lynch today??
I agree we needed a lynch, however, I said I did not want to lynch Tybalt and in this instance I was correct. In other cases I might have been wrong but we left it to late and a no lynch would have been less damaging than losing our jailkeeper. It was quite a mess to end the day. However, it is obviously easier speaking in hindsight.
Do you care to let us in the loop?In post 500, Malakittens wrote:Remembrance note to look at this after work.
Also Talah. I have played with Hyper in both alignments and I have a special tell in regards of him. He's town because he's glowing with this town tell.
You say mothrax would have been blameless for a no lynch but I also see no way we can blame him in this situation as he was not on the wagon?In post 501, Greywing wrote:@Talah: I didn't feel as though I had much choice in the matter. As I said, it was the only point before the deadline where I'd be able to post. The people off the wagon at that point were Tybalt (who wasn't going to vote himself,) Hyperion (who had been lurking heavily,) Wolf (who outright said that he wasn't voting Tybalt,) and Mothrax who, frankly, I just don't trust. There was nothing stopping him from just lurking and letting a no-lynch go through, and he'd come out blameless. I figured it was a better play to just hammer rather than take the risk of a no-lynch happening.- Gen_Wolf
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There is no where I can quote you said this because you did not say this. However, if you read it correctly you will see that I said the word 'I' that means I (Gen_Wolf) said it and never said you said it. Thus, you clearly did not read it properly.In post 508, Greywing wrote:
Care to quote where I said this?In post 502, Gen_Wolf wrote:
You say mothrax would have been blameless for a no lynchIn post 501, Greywing wrote:@Talah: I didn't feel as though I had much choice in the matter. As I said, it was the only point before the deadline where I'd be able to post. The people off the wagon at that point were Tybalt (who wasn't going to vote himself,) Hyperion (who had been lurking heavily,) Wolf (who outright said that he wasn't voting Tybalt,) and Mothrax who, frankly, I just don't trust. There was nothing stopping him from just lurking and letting a no-lynch go through, and he'd come out blameless. I figured it was a better play to just hammer rather than take the risk of a no-lynch happening.but I also see no way we can blame him in this situation as he was not on the wagon?
Also, if you are unwilling to unanswer questions from the majority of the players in the game then you are useless to the game as you are not allowing me, and other players, to scum hunt thus hindering the game and our ability to catch scum.
Now, seeing as you said that you will not answer our questions then I see no need to have you in the game as with you or without you I will be achieving the same result. I think your maneuver is very scummy. In that case:
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@JMO - im still wary of you, however i feel at this point in the game Grey is scummier than you and thats why i am voting him. I do agree with you on the fact that Hyper just echoed what you said, do you think he is lurking or just flaking like mothrax?
@Mala, how can you say you would vote me? Grey refuses to answer questions from certain players. Dont you feel that refusing to answer questions is pretty scummy?
@talah, i dont see your issue with Mala asking you questions? Do you have something to hide? Other than that i will ask you the same question as jmo, do you think we need to be wary of hyper active lurking or do you think he has flaked?- Gen_Wolf
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Ya i agree, from a perspective of keeping the game going if you sub out we might aswell call it. Freezer has subbed in and not even posted. Hyper seems to have flaked? Just lack of involvment all round.
Talah, ive read your posts re mala, just sum it up for me please. Also, who would you say your top scum read is right now?
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He's posted elsewhere on site which is frustrating as well
JMO, what are your thoughts at the moment? Case on anyone, anyone in particular? Mothrax was very quite before flaking, frezzer has joined and not posted. Do you think the slot has influenced that?
Rach, my intention is not to tell you how to mod and I understand that your busy but can you be a little harsher with the prodding please. I feel people are just taking advantage now.- Gen_Wolf
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Freezer is posring elsewhere on site so it is a pressure vote. If he is not posting for a reason this gives him incentive plus he is at L 1 and people will show intent to hammer.
Talah, the question is pointless, going by gut is just guessing. It doesnt help at all. My vote on Mothrax/Freezer slot at least has some substance to it.- Gen_Wolf
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In post 572, talah wrote:Gen I doubt Frezzer's even aware he's in this game, have you looked over the newbie queue? Take your freezer vote off, now.unvote
I did it because you took your vote off me but my intent is there for Freezer. That slot has done nothing all game so is that because they are scum or VT? Thoughts Talah?- Gen_Wolf
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Talah literally asked every question I had prepared for Hyper.
I do not like how he lurks, comes in and says I am oppertunistic, when I explained my reason, and then he himself hops on the leading wagon (which his is a serious vote) hypocrite much. Hyper you have some answering to do.
@Mala, your thougts on hyper?
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Thanks TalahIn post 611, talah wrote:
Damn Yankees with your "documents" and "celebrations".In post 608, talah wrote:Well you see there was this little document written up telling King George we were sick of him and well us American types DO consider July 4th a holiday ... Rach
Damn South Africans with your "exams" and "celebrations". Congrats Gen!In post 609, Gen_Wolf wrote:And I passed my exams so to put it nicely I will be getting fuck drunk
To be honest I get the impression he does not want to play but posts so he does not get prodded. He should sub out so we get someone who wants to play.In post 614, talah wrote:And @Hyper, you are at L-2.
I wouldn't have too much trouble thinking that Gen might vote you with Freezer oopsHammering.
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Mala, very sorry to hear this news. Wishing you the best.In post 622, Malakittens wrote:
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Please replace me. I just got a call that a close family member passed away. I can no longer be in game due to this.- Gen_Wolf
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I love how in 5 days or so of playing that is what you came up with Freezer. I obviously disagree with your read though. If that is all you came up with then you obviously havent read in depth.
Talah I never said I was in the clear or acted in such a fashion haha
I just feel Hyper has done nothing and Freezer seems to just be doing the bare minimum. Convinient his suspicions came just after I called him out for no activity. He stated we would have his update for us by Monday and it is now Tuesday.- Gen_Wolf
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Well we not going to win by being leniant. I have doubts and I air them. Cannot trust anyone so I am skeptical of his play. Cant even remember mothrax so I will have to go back and reread tbh. I am not saying Freezer is scum, I am just saying I do not like his lack of activity.
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Throwing your vote around loosely in lylo plus scum would have quick lynched. Yet they didnt, that leads me to believe they couldnt hop on the wagon because one was already on the wagon, you, and the other is not around at the moment
ninja'd - that is true but before replacement has chance to cast their opinions???- Gen_Wolf
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