Newbie 1816 (Game Over)

[Ginngie]

JAE

HEY BOO

why does everything think you're a cheeky scumfuck?

[Ginngie]

>_>

square up

[Ginngie]

why hasn't Eclisped been replaced?

[Ginngie]

VOTE: Mulch

shite replace in, "I'm excited to be here "

and then does nothing with it.

Overall lackluster play.

Wheme is dumb but not scum for his stupid line of "I'm townreadin you because I scum read you as town." It's wheme!logic I've come to accept.


ASP is spot on with his analysis of Mulch.


SIV is most likely a scummy town, but town because in this game state, I seriously don't see why he would be putting in the amount of effort as scum when you can just play the apathy card.

Town: SIV, Wheme, ASP

Who Left: Eclipsed, clockworkgirl, guyy, JaeReed, llama, Mulch


Okay so going at guyy, He's been very thought provoking and he's been explaining his every thought, and providing a lot of analysis, and that brings up brownie points with me and that makes me lean town on him, so

Town: SIV, Wheme, ASP, guyy

Who Left: Eclipsed, clockworkgirl, JaeReed, llama, Mulch


Tbh, looking at this list, I feel the strongest about Mulch being a scum fucko and Eclipsed makes me think of the double flake scum tell that a player named Socrates taught me >_> Backing up the theory with Eclipsed, her ISO wasn't anything special upon review, and I think it had like one opinion and the rest was greetings and game mechanics

[Ginngie]

TIL: I scumread Mulch six ways from Sunday

[Ginngie]

TIL: I scumread Mulch six ways from Sunday

[Ginngie]

TIL: I scumread Mulch seven ways from Sunday

[Ginngie]

because I've never once actually had to take the time to sort you >_>

My heart dont know

[Ginngie]

VOTE: giningie

You know I will flip town and therefore are being akward when asked how you would react if I flip town.

[Ginngie]

JAE

HEY BOO

why does everything think you're a cheeky scumfuck?

Gut, omgus, and bad scumhunting, basically.

You should have a read on me by now. Why don't you?

because I've never once actually had to take the time to sort you >_>

My heart dont know

[Ginngie]

Mulch, your scumread consists of me not thinking my scum read will flip town.

That means literally nothing.

[Ginngie]

Double flaking scum tell, opportunistic voting, and no realistic reasoning to scum read a player, that's scumfuck level.

[Ginngie]

Also giving you the benefit of the doubt that it wasn't an explicit OMGUS that you voted me purely because I think you're not town, but it feels really damn close to it.

[Ginngie]

UNVOTE:

You both feel different to what I'm used to.

pray tell

[Ginngie]

I don't think you are so I'm not entertaining it.

I hate that question with a burning passion because it's stupid.

[Ginngie]

You have it because your scum. As of now, I am having no further contact with you. Enjoy the scum lynch tmrw if I'm lynched.

You're trying to stand on some type of high ground and say you won't engage with me because you know your reasoning is scummy and further discussing it makes you look worse.

Essentially firing pot shots and trying to get out of the fight before people realize you're in the wrong.

[Ginngie]

Also, when a player has expressed town reads and also a list showing who she doesn't town read, why didn't you ask me why I didn't town read those players?

Instead you went defensive instead of trying to sort me by exploring my reasoning for multiple slots.

Even then when you got defensive, you didn't actually talk about any of the points I brought up, or talk it out.

You chose to use an obscure reason that makes no real sense to OMGUS a player.

Literally nothing you did has been town

[Ginngie]

UNVOTE:

You both feel different to what I'm used to.

pray tell

I'm used to Mulch being more spammy and pushy and gamesolvey.
I'm used to you being more cheeky and spammy and pushy and not as fencesittey on so many players.

I feel like you're both playing way more subdued and it's skeeving me out.

Not much to attack in 10 pages and replacing in.

You'll notice, especially with Mulch now that I just need a catalyst and I'm on like a hawk

[Ginngie]

When I get home you're getting a SAD card

[Ginngie]

It will. Ginnigie was too scared to talk about what her reaction would be if I flipped town. Ginnigie is scum.

VOTE: giningie

You know I will flip town and therefore are being akward when asked how you would react if I flip town.

Mulch, your scumread consists of me not thinking my scum read will flip town.

That means literally nothing.

Double flaking scum tell, opportunistic voting, and no realistic reasoning to scum read a player, that's scumfuck level.

Also giving you the benefit of the doubt that it wasn't an explicit OMGUS that you voted me purely because I think you're not town, but it feels really damn close to it.

I don't think you are so I'm not entertaining it.

I hate that question with a burning passion because it's stupid.

You have it because your scum. As of now, I am having no further contact with you. Enjoy the scum lynch tmrw if I'm lynched.

You're trying to stand on some type of high ground and say you won't engage with me because you know your reasoning is scummy and further discussing it makes you look worse.

Essentially firing pot shots and trying to get out of the fight before people realize you're in the wrong.

Also, when a player has expressed town reads and also a list showing who she doesn't town read, why didn't you ask me why I didn't town read those players?

Instead you went defensive instead of trying to sort me by exploring my reasoning for multiple slots.

Even then when you got defensive, you didn't actually talk about any of the points I brought up, or talk it out.

You chose to use an obscure reason that makes no real sense to OMGUS a player.

Literally nothing you did has been town

[Ginngie]

A town reaction is a reads dump, just pour info to help town.

Being silent and self lynching is not town

[Ginngie]

Eclipse was part of the double flake that I scum read, I scum read both Mulch for his play, and then Eclispe for that tell, happy coincidence that they're actually the same slot once Nexus told me

[Ginngie]

also what does chainsaw mean lol

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... aw_Defense

[Ginngie]

Mulch, what I don't on a moral level as town, is why you're trying to teach newbies that self-voting is okay as town

[Ginngie]

I don't really care if I'm lynched as long as you vote Gin after me *shrug*

Go ahead and hammer

Just make sure to lynch ginigie tmrw

VOTE: Mulch

[Ginngie]

Mulch, what I don't on a moral level as town, is why you're trying to teach newbies that self-voting is okay as town

How do you know I'm town?

[Ginngie]

You're being a smartass.

You know full well I'm asking you why, as town, meaning if you were fucking town, that you'd try to teach self-voting.

I'm asking you.

Why you think.

We should believe.

You're being pro-town.

[Ginngie]

I have words for post game.

Why is it that you haven't tried to prove wrong anything I said about you being scum, instead, you chose to just wait and be snarky with the post above?

[Ginngie]

Spoiler:

I don't really care if I'm lynched as long as you vote Gin after me *shrug*

Go ahead and hammer

Just make sure to lynch ginigie tmrw

VOTE: Mulch

[Ginngie]

[Ginngie]

you still haven't voted me

[Ginngie]

Town don't need permission to vote their

S C U M R E A D S S

[Ginngie]

My scum read is so strong on Gininja that I would die willingly and provoke my own death if it meant him being lynched the next day.

I will not however, ever actually vote him. I first need permission from my number one, no way I think he's town, biggest hard on of a scum read I think I've ever experienced; and then secondly, I need to be coaxed into actually wagoning him by other slots in the game.

-Mulch

[Ginngie]

Its a blatant lack of self-preservation, and I think that's more likely from town than scum at this point.

someone didn't read the card...

[Ginngie]

So what does town-Mulch do there then?

He votes me?


Why are you asking weak questions?

[Ginngie]

@Raya

I have answered all of those questions asked by other players. Some of them were frustratingly, ad-nauseam.

I know your scum, but only one other person here know that besides me.

Shouldn't that be 2 other people? If you're town, then it would be you and the two mafia.

Things like this........make me hmmmm.

Think about what you just said, think about it again, and then think about it a third time.

[Ginngie]

It'd be really nice if the mod gave wagon data >_>

[Ginngie]

So what does town-Mulch do there then?

He votes me?


Why are you asking weak questions?

Because I think your vote on Mulch is bad and im trying to figure out the chance of you being scum for it or just wrong town. ASP at least had some decent logic... yours is just "got replaced multiple times (which applies to your slot), opportunistic voting (not explained - and I think outright false), and bad case (again not explained)"

He also did vote you at first, and that apparently didn't effect your read so get out of here with that being a reason Mulch is scum. Threatening stuff like that isn't scummy. Its more of a meta note about a play type unless you legitimately are trying to argue that in no situation town-Mulch would ever put themselves at L-1. Town DOES do that at times, so again unless Mulch in particular you are going to argue never would, with some sort of reasoning, not an alignment tell. Its just a "trust player judgment less" tell.

Additionally he raises a good question that you refuse to answer: What if he is town? Its not like that should be a hard question to answer, reads are good.

@Mulch - So lets say if you were able to make Ginngie the largest counter wagon. Would you?

The tell, is when a slot reads PM, flakes, another person replaces, sees PM, flakes. If your heart so desires I can actually go into every time I've used it correctly...

Yooh actually put in some decent work, which is one of the key differences.

Regarding the tell, the only thing that makes me think it's not the best to use it is the newbie queue because apparently replacements run rampant in a game :/

You're blind if you can't find the context of his asp vote, here it is all fine and dandy.

Spoiler:

jaereed was not exactly silent about looking for a reason to vote llama

i dislike more the players that just stay out of the spotlight. it seems convenient at this point

VOTE: asp

VOTE: asp


CFD!!!(

Please show me where he mentioned anything about ASP before that(hint, I already checked)

Then we go to Jae

Spoiler:

VOTE: jae


Sorry man

This is a fun exercise, find where Mulch took any real attempt to sort Jae? (hint, I already checked, only one post and it's really weak :3 )

Also you're saying "bad case" but what case are you talking about, I've pretty much done a series of posts breaking down my thinking. What were the things you took issue with because I have no idea what you're talking about.

"He also voted you at first, and that apparently didn't have any effect on your read"

Spoiler:

I don't think you are so I'm not entertaining it.

I hate that question with a burning passion because it's stupid.

You have it because your scum. As of now, I am having no further contact with you. Enjoy the scum lynch tmrw if I'm lynched.

You're trying to stand on some type of high ground and say you won't engage with me because you know your reasoning is scummy and further discussing it makes you look worse.

Essentially firing pot shots and trying to get out of the fight before people realize you're in the wrong.

Also, when a player has expressed town reads and also a list showing who she doesn't town read, why didn't you ask me why I didn't town read those players?

Instead you went defensive instead of trying to sort me by exploring my reasoning for multiple slots.

Even then when you got defensive, you didn't actually talk about any of the points I brought up, or talk it out.

You chose to use an obscure reason that makes no real sense to OMGUS a player.

Literally nothing you did has been town

A town reaction is a reads dump, just pour info to help town.

Being silent and self lynching is not town

I don't really care if I'm lynched as long as you vote Gin after me *shrug*

Go ahead and hammer

Just make sure to lynch ginigie tmrw

VOTE: Mulch

My scum read is so strong on Gininja that I would die willingly and provoke my own death if it meant him being lynched the next day.

I will not however, ever actually vote him. I first need permission from my number one, no way I think he's town, biggest hard on of a scum read I think I've ever experienced; and then secondly, I need to be coaxed into actually wagoning him by other slots in the game.

-Mulch

"Town does it at times"

No shit, I've done it before.

Here's the thing tho sweetheart, it's about CONTEXT, ya taking what I'm analyzing and putting it in a void makes it null and void, but put it in the context and you get.

Spoiler:

I don't think you are so I'm not entertaining it.

I hate that question with a burning passion because it's stupid.

You have it because your scum. As of now, I am having no further contact with you. Enjoy the scum lynch tmrw if I'm lynched.

You're trying to stand on some type of high ground and say you won't engage with me because you know your reasoning is scummy and further discussing it makes you look worse.

Essentially firing pot shots and trying to get out of the fight before people realize you're in the wrong.

Also, when a player has expressed town reads and also a list showing who she doesn't town read, why didn't you ask me why I didn't town read those players?

Instead you went defensive instead of trying to sort me by exploring my reasoning for multiple slots.

Even then when you got defensive, you didn't actually talk about any of the points I brought up, or talk it out.

You chose to use an obscure reason that makes no real sense to OMGUS a player.

Literally nothing you did has been town

A town reaction is a reads dump, just pour info to help town.

Being silent and self lynching is not town

I don't really care if I'm lynched as long as you vote Gin after me *shrug*

Go ahead and hammer

Just make sure to lynch ginigie tmrw

VOTE: Mulch

My scum read is so strong on Gininja that I would die willingly and provoke my own death if it meant him being lynched the next day.

I will not however, ever actually vote him. I first need permission from my number one, no way I think he's town, biggest hard on of a scum read I think I've ever experienced; and then secondly, I need to be coaxed into actually wagoning him by other slots in the game.

-Mulch

Surprising isn't it?


I have an clear history of never dealing with pre-flips and shunning any reasoning with it.

HOW ABOUT THIS:

I DON'T CARE ABOUT READJUSTING MY READS BASED ON WHAT HE FLIPS BEFORE HE FLIPS

Also, common sense applies here,

Town: SIV, Wheme, ASP, guyy

Who Left: Eclipsed, clockworkgirl, JaeReed, llama, Mulch

If Mulch ends up being town

IS IT SO HARD TO LOOK AT THIS AND GO

Town: SIV, Wheme, ASP, guyy

Who Left:

Eclipsed

, clockworkgirl, JaeReed, llama,

Mulch

"Oh so he would think clockworkgirl, Jae, and Llama as scum candidates."

but no, let's be asinine about simple reading comprehension

[Ginngie]

Mulch why did you self vote after the last game where you got teamed for it post game?

whats the context here?

[Ginngie]

Question for you. You know when you come in as a replacement to look at the largest wagon as town. Yet you had no read on me when you decided to derail it. I really do need to know exactly why you have no read on me having actually seen firsthand how garbage my scum play is. I find it really hard to believe you as town don't have a read on me. If you could quote posts where you waffle on me and explain why that'd be helpful.

"You know when you come in as a replacement to look at the largest wagon as town"
?

If I don't interact with people then I have a hard time reading people, and given only a 10 page game, it's kinda weird to press me for having no experience actually reading you or trying to read you and saying I don't know.

I'm I not allowed to not know something? What is your reasoning for thinking I should have the ability to pinpoint your alignment?

[Ginngie]

>_>

when???

[Ginngie]

For Us you were scum and I was town. < particularly this one I'm worried about because there's clear scum motivation in you refusing to read me after your defense of our slot there made me point out your posts to mastina and had us agree you were scum for it.

Both times I knew your alignment...

I dont have experience

AS TOWN, trying to read you.

I never had to try and read you Jae.

WITH THAT SAID.

NEEDING TO INTERACT TO GET GOOD READS

AND NOT INTERACTING

AND NEVER HAVING ANY EXPERIENCE TRYING TO SORT YOU

IS IT REALLY A SURPRISE

I HAVE YOU AS NULL?

and I don't get the connection to For Us either?

I double downed that you were town for your IC claim, and did literally nothing else?

That's quite the opposite of what I'm doing here? I haven't concluded you being town, I haven't white knighted you, I literally didn't interact with you until recently.

And even if you think that because I was scum, I should gain the ability to recognize you as town and scum, two major points. I played in Civ for less than a week and bounced; with the shit storm that happened, it doesn't really make sense when you think about it, to think that I cared a lot about your play and studying it now does it? Nor does it make sense for me to join a game, post for a day, never interact directly with you, and be on a publicly declared vacation and think I'm also studying you as well?

There is honestly no real experience we share so stop trying to chalk it up like there is something there.

[Ginngie]

But yeah they weren't great points, I just wanted to poke at you a bit. sorry boo. <3

This is sweet to me

[Ginngie]

Did llama seriously just ignore an entire wall of discussion?

[Ginngie]

HOW DO YOU SEE AN ENTIRE WALL

and go "she just want's a lynch, she doesn't actually believe it"

That is so fucking scummy

[Ginngie]

A bitch might at this point

[Ginngie]

answer Jae's question first

Mulch why did you self vote after the last game where you got teamed for it post game?

[Ginngie]

You can always ~refute~ the points instead of just using a blanket term ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Ginngie]

Jaeeeeeeeeee

Mulch ~answered~ your question

[Ginngie]

VOTE: llama

[Ginngie]

I don't plan on making it a habit of answering for people, but wtr to llama, he was just hella worse out of the 3.

As for me, the meta Jae pointed out felt saucy enough to me that I can see it as town

[Ginngie]

So you don't care about adjusting reads... therefore no matter what Mulch is nothing changes?

I DON'T CARE ABOUT READJUSTING MY READS BASED ON WHAT HE FLIPS

BEFORE HE FLIPS

way to cherrypick lmao

[Ginngie]

Considering where my vote is, I don't really care to defend something I no longer believe

[Ginngie]

What is hilarious.

Is that saying "refusing to look at different scenarios" can't be further from the truth.

>_>

Are you fully read up because you're arguing with the past and we are in the future

[Ginngie]

We have 14 hours, you're not getting my support for Mulch anymore, if you're sus of llama, then you join that wagon, especially when it's the highest.

[Ginngie]

can you stop being scummy and join the damn wagon.

[Ginngie]

Oh hot sauce dueling wagons.

This is saucy and great

Jae, I need you to vote like yesterday

[Ginngie]

I dont have time to read I'm doing modules for my classes lol

[Ginngie]

ya well there's 12 hours and it's more likely that I'm going to grow a pair of wings and buy you dinner than a flash wagon happening at the rate this game is going.

[Ginngie]

you're asking me to explain why I'm tunneling one player and not change my opinion and it's stupid.

BECAUSE I CHANGED MY OPINIONS.

"why do you scumread Mulch"

I don't anymore so I couldn't tell you why

"you're scum because you can't explain why you feel a certain way that you said you aren't feeling anymore"

For real.

[Ginngie]

My top suspicions are on Mulch, Llamafluff, .........and if I'm wrong, JaeReed who I find is a hard one to read.

3v2 llama and Mulch

he votes Mulch

if you want a teaming, this is it.

Mulch=counterwagon

[Ginngie]

VOTE: SIV

[Ginngie]

a few pages ago?

more like 6 days ago

WOW GUYS

GINNGIE NEVER CHANGES OPINIONS

BUT SHE ChAnGeD hEr OpInIoN oN sIv

SO SCUMMY

[Ginngie]

pick a narrative, you're only alive because the wagon on you died

[Ginngie]

Also I still have zero reason why Ginngie was voted me. The actually still refuse to answer that question and now are just sheeping the biggest wagon in a hope to stay alive.

"Hoping to stay alive"

Ginngie (1) - Llamafluff,

TIL: What a delusion looks like

[Ginngie]

wheme hammer, llama isn't happening because of bs.

[Ginngie]

my god why are you so frustrating

[Ginngie]

THE ONLY FUCKING REFERENCE

was about Mulch sweetheart

I didn't talk about fucking SIV.

The one time I did.

Was on 223 or 233 and that was the 24th, 6 fucking days ago.

[Ginngie]

[Ginngie]

someone doesn't want to be countered

[Ginngie]

I'm annoyed.

[Ginngie]

It's incredibly anti-town to no lynch

[Ginngie]

AS AN IC, LLAMA WOULD KNOW THAT AND WOULDN'T VANITY WAGON

[Ginngie]

I'm the queen of compromise tbh

[Ginngie]

VOTE: llama

L-1

[Ginngie]

Ohhhhhhh saucy

[Ginngie]

In hindsight, this is probably a really bad example to be teaching newbies, but I honestly don't care

[Ginngie]

That's actually not bad for logic

[Ginngie]

This was one of the first games I played in where I was a night kill, not gonna lie, pretty exciting to start dying

[Ginngie]

ur 2 gud

[Ginngie]

This was one of the first games I played in where I was a night kill, not gonna lie, pretty exciting to start dying

you were the one i was most afraid of

you needed to go haha

tbh I don't think I would have ever scum read you >_>