Mini 2018 - American Presidents Mafia (Game Over)

[Momrangal]

Ego

[Momrangal]

Zzz

This is great and all but let's all build a wagon on actual scum

VOTE: invisible

[Momrangal]

Invis is probably town, too.

Orly?

Cuz what I see is active lurking already happening.

[Momrangal]

ok, what makes invis different, than, say, nauci?

I don't know if it's fair to classify him as active lurking hours into the game when he has more game-related content than many players.

You think he has game related content?

They are different because one has a far more serious tone than the other. One has a more tryhard feel than the other and one is clearly trying to seem more useful than the other.

The definition of active lurking is basically posting empty posts trying to look like you're making content when you aren't

[Momrangal]

Momrangal, any thoughts on players other than Invis?

Of course I do!

Invis, nsg, Bernie, Mom, I think I want you four to vote or provide a read now.

Already done, have you actually been reading or just skimming? I mean I have a slot I am hard pushing. Thought on invisibility?

Zzz

This is great and all but let's all build a wagon on actual scum

VOTE: invisible

Fishing for reactions... or a late RVS entry? Just trying to place this vote.

It's a srs vote, with srs reasons but why can't it also be made for garnering reactions?

Momrangel - you chose to gloss over the Shos-Skit-Mathdino early melodrama with “zzz”, which I found interesting. Did you feel that nothing alignment indicative was to be found there?

Maybe. Not taking active part in it =/=ignoring it. It's generally non indicative but the fact that its still being talked about now is far more interesting than it was then

[Momrangal]

Weekend double shifts don't allow me to do much.

But here.

Wait @shoshin do you still believe that Math is scummy for what he suggested in his opening?

One example of one of his try hard posts.

And I could easily pick up a few more if I wanted, like the one right before that one.

All of his early posts reek of eagerness to look like he's doing something productive and meaningful while doing absolutely jackall.

He's sitting there looking pretty, playing it safe, and it looks like hes engaging with people but the questions are empty.

[Momrangal]

Stun-town
Keys???town
Mathprobtown but I'm probably gonna flip back and forth there
Gamma??? Worth looking into
Elephant???town
Nanci???
Sho???
Skit???
DUCCKKKKYYYYYY!!!!if scum, never playing with Gemini again
NSG??
Bernie???town

Mentally I'm on page 9, but I don't know invisibilitys meta. I've never played and I pulled something I thought was scummy and rolled with it. I know you touched on it once but like, even if it is his meta whats stopping him from being scum here? If it's his meta it should be NAI and you shouldn't be town reading him off that.

[Momrangal]

I had Mom as town for similar reasons to Irrelephant, as well as her answer to my question in 163. Her play was also consistent with her town meta so nothing to worry about.

Who are you?

[Momrangal]

Even if you don't like the way Invis posts, 158, 168, and 169 should clear him. I highly doubt he'd make either of these as scum.

What makes these post so superbly special?

[Momrangal]

And no I'm not about to metadive. I don't want to keep hearing "this is how he plays so we should just clear him"

[Momrangal]

I am very happy I am not being mass town read (so kinda liking Irrelephant11’s against-the-grind suspicion).


That replace out is bad... (sadly just feeds my suspicion of their slot, was hoping they would come back and win me over.)

???town

What's your experience with elephant?

[Momrangal]

Yeah the rest of page 9 pushes key closer to town

quack quack

HEY I SEE YOU.

talk to me about your pred. What do you think about the talk around him?

[Momrangal]

As far as my take away from the early banter.

Skitter??scum
Shostown
Invisscum

Skits been moving back and forth between town and scum and at least seems to try and do something. He's someone I'm gonna look into more when im... Caught up

Pedit: uhh.. I see duck and NSG so... Duck?

[Momrangal]

keysors okay for now and might actually have a lead with skitter so onus is on you

I think I might(?) have had an ancient keysor tell/spec written down I might look into later

I am very happy I am not being mass town read (so kinda liking Irrelephant11’s against-the-grind suspicion).

Also, this feels town. Yes, scum fake this sort of thing. But Key? Unlikely.

No.

Interesting.

[Momrangal]

Bernie quote does not belong there ignore

[Momrangal]

People do that to me all the time, boo

[Momrangal]

Also you never really explained how you know me. I'm not to savy with the new crowd

[Momrangal]

momrangel actually came back with a bang.

Did I now?

[Momrangal]

OK caught up.

BBs.

New vote

VOTE: skitter

Also, uhh.. Pressuring doesn't work if
A) the person does not realize it and
B)if you continuously state that it's for pressure. Just, FYI

[Momrangal]

And no I'm not about to metadive. I don't want to keep hearing "this is how he plays so we should just clear him"

I didn't say you should "clear" Invis because of meta, I said you shouldn't scumread him for things that aren't scummy for him to do. How would you feel if someone called you scummy because of things that you do in every game as town? You'd think that person was scumreading you for things that aren't scummy, right? Apply that same logic to Invis.

And OK, I get it. If invis is just one of those players that don't contribute to town as any alignment then fine. I don't think someone like him should be allowed near lylo but pushing policy isn't my mo so.

Im not gonna metadive, so what exactly about those posts makes invisibility exclusively town?

[Momrangal]

Irrelephant11
Shoshin
stungun0404
Keyser Soze

Mathdino
Bernie

Nauci
the worst
northsidegal*
Invisibility

Gamma Emerald
skitter

That's where I stand. Moved invis with meta considered

[Momrangal]

I'm a consensus scummy player this game and I remain off that list

[Momrangal]

Why is Gamma down there?

Gut
Associatives
Safe play

And some other things. Like... IDK, he's not playing outside his realm of meta but like, I can easily see him as a buddy with skitter, and possibly duck.

He says he's excited for his first game back, and I get that but his posts don't seem to be relaying that same excitement and it seems kinda mechanical

[Momrangal]

yes, me, as scum, thinks its a *really* good idea to scumread town!math and deliberately start a fight with him, kudos for figuring that out.

like, if i'm scum i do my *very* best to avoid math and like *not* catch his attention because he can read me properly and i hate being scumread and like ... calling attention to myself as scum.

Sadly, this probably the towniest thing you made.

It's also self meta and being aware of this nullifies it completely

[Momrangal]

here too: you start off assuming he's town, check his meta, don't see anything to contradict that assumption, so you keep him as town.

Please tell me you're talking about elephant here

[Momrangal]

The quote right above that is me and my meta and her town reading me based off it and how I'm town similarly to why ele is town I'm her eyes. Just making sure im not misgendered (again ) carry on

[Momrangal]

Searching rask got me no where in the member search box

[Momrangal]

I am rethinking my read on Bernie, and I think he's going after low hanging fruit duck.

Bernie made a huge ass case on duck, and his tone and I agree with the lack of direction but I entirely disagree with duck being given enough space. I have that slot as null, but I honestly don't find his pred scummy outside the supposed semi-trustish whatever tell you want to call it regarding him replacing out. Even if whatsherface and skits (I think it was) told each other that they were excited to play the same alignment, I don't think replacing out should ever be alignment indicative and no one really has given duck a chance to do more than get his feet wet.

He even said that the wagon would have zero effect because he lacks time and wouldn't have it later in the week but absolutely no one has payed attention to that little tidbit.

Further more, this case on duck came when after duck said he wouldn't have any time to defend himself, and after duck is at a vulnerable L-2 (1?) position making it completely viable that duck gets lynched before he even had more time to get himself busy.

He also pushes duck but still takes a wholly neural stance on the matter so that, when popular scum read duck flips town, he can take the blame off himself considerably easier than most others gunning for his lych

[Momrangal]

Also sorry if it seems all convoluted, but Its late and I was thinking about stuff and I kinda felt like I had to get this out there

[Momrangal]

Ugh Nauci you’re sounding towny sometimes but you keep calling for my lynch and it doesn’t feel like you actually think I’m scum you just want me lynched and I want us both to be town but we’re never gonna be able to work together if we are, are we

I highly doubt this is something scum would say to someone they are scum reading/trying to lynch.

I also disagree and alot of her posts have alot of words and doesn't seem to really do anything or take much of a stance even when she kinda does. Though it is very stream of consciousness so

[Momrangal]

VOTE: Nauci

Though I would prefer a Bernie wagon

[Momrangal]

What do you think about bernie

[Momrangal]

Why?

[Momrangal]

Also, I feel like everyone has made a decision on duck based on his pred replacing out.

Sure it was weird, but Gemini was engaging before she ghosted. It doesn't seem like no one had taken into consideration that she replaced out because of IRL reasons and it didn't seem like anyone looked for proof in other games she might be in.

That being said, duck has 30 pages to read to catch up on and that's not an easy feat

[Momrangal]

And no I'm not about to metadive. I don't want to keep hearing "this is how he plays so we should just clear him"

I didn't say you should "clear" Invis because of meta, I said you shouldn't scumread him for things that aren't scummy for him to do. How would you feel if someone called you scummy because of things that you do in every game as town? You'd think that person was scumreading you for things that aren't scummy, right? Apply that same logic to Invis.

You also told me this once upon a time.

Ducks not super engaged and doesn't seem very excited but if I replaced in, and everyone scum read me based solely on my pred and didn't allow me to even catch up I wouldn't be super excited either.

Despite that, though duck did attempt to engage with people while he caught up (because he has to even if he was loosely following the game ) and despite lacking time

[Momrangal]

Ill look into Bernie more tomorrow but what is he even gaining as scum by lying about it?

And I mean, ofc it feels spiritless. That'l was my point

[Momrangal]

Kek. Taking today off.

[Momrangal]

I voted nauci for a # of reasons, none of which are stated and one of said reasons are I'm itching for EoD and top two TRs are/were strongly advocating it

[Momrangal]

Why?

Bernie? 133, 135, 141, 142, 173, and 174 are all pretty townie. As i said before, I especially liked the way that he joined me on Stun but then switched onto Invis becuase he couldn't keep up the farce of voting someone he didn't actually find scummy. The entirety of that sequence of posts felt very town. And following those early posts, there's been a very natural thought process and a lot of progression in his reads, as seen in 187, 266, 323, 375, 388.

I can see where you're coming from with this, but as far as his early interaction with you regarding stun and invis, I think you may be giving him to much credit as far as progression goes.

I do agree that 388 is a solid post. But I feel like a large majority of them are kinda just sitting in the middle and when he does take a stance he does this weird "eh what do I know thing" like in post 375 . He also did it in 323 when pushing Dino, making it feel like he's subliminally excusing himself from taking responsibility from anything that happened. Making it easier to brush it off as oversight or some othet thing. Something I see scum do constantly, something I'm always noting (like I did in implos large game as well in a few games in my old account).

It's subtle tell that people have thought me crazy to point out but has outstanding accuracy.

[Momrangal]

I’m not going to argue this game. I’m done with you. You aren’t willing to cooperate clearly. It’s going to just piss me off and I need to stay chill because the mod I’m sure didn’t even want me to play.

For someone not willing to cooperate with others, she sure asking others for input quite a bit

[Momrangal]

As far as Gustavo goes, I'm kinda confused. I absolutely see him believing in what he's saying but I don't think that should exclude him from scum. As far as my own play goes, I push logic and cases that I personally believe myself to be pushing if I was town, and because of that, there's a level of authenticity to pushes. I don't think it unreasonable to see others do it.

That in mind, pushing shoshin here is very high risk high reward because it would be clear, if he is scum here, that Shoshin is the town leader here and shutting her down would eliminate town cohesion here in this game, which should be one of scums goals

[Momrangal]

I doubt Mom's answer to that question has any relevance to her alignment, Nauci. It's too easy a thing to fake.

It's Mafia theory. It's NAI. it's pretty naive to think that I won't have an answer as scum because as scum i need find town leaders. To find them, I need to know what I am looking for.

Here's what makes shos a town leader though.

She's driving the discussion of the game. Every post she makes, more or less forces people to get engaged in the game. Her questions and points are made so that everyone needs to make an opinion.


In this game, no one is allowed to get away with simple reads. She is attempting to discuss with

everyone

. Forcing all of them to think critically and in doing that, she is forcing town to be their best version of themselves and forcing scum into the difficult situation of somehow making genuine thought processes. That is not an environment scum thrive in, no matter how well seasoned their game is.

It's also the fact that she's leading in this way is why she's town.

We are, after all, a democracy

[Momrangal]

That said, I am glad we finally have a full council ~~~

[Momrangal]

I voted nauci for a # of reasons, none of which are stated and one of said reasons are I'm itching for EoD and top two TRs are/were strongly advocating it

Wait am I reading this correctly

Because this looked like a super blatant admission of opportunistic wagon voting to push any (mis)lynch?

No, just you.

There are many people I wouldn't vote under any circumstance.

You're null, always have been

[Momrangal]

Mom, what's your current read on Gamma?

I'm hung up on it.

Gamma is not town, and makes sense as scum but at the same time something doesn't feel right.

Wagon comp could be better and I may be hung up on the fact that Bernie is on there. It doesn't seem like much of a bus placement but in my mind, both Bernie and gamma have decent chance of flipping scum but I don't see much associations between them.

That aside, I feel like gamma has been getting a little bit more engaged and I don't want to discourage that especially when I think I see some probing I don't remember coming from scum gamma

[Momrangal]

this post is gross and fence-sitty. 'gamma is not town, and makes sense as scum but at the same time something doesn't feel right' - like what does this even mean?

Guess it means I'm scum getting cold feet from a Gamma!bus

Realtalk tho, you're pulling this out of context

[Momrangal]

VOTE: bernie

[Momrangal]

What do you think of {mathdino, tw, nm}, especially compared to other times you've seen them? In addition, are there any people you'd like me to reconsider my read on?

Duck.

Also, NM posted like, once? I feel like I remember him posting alot more as town and I expected him to make a bigger entrance here now that you've brought him up.

I actually townread math which IDK how to really take considering I usually scumread him regardless of his alignment. Objectively speaking, though and in a vacuum everything he's done is straight null alignment wise. Nothing he's done is outside his range of play as scum but I have a gut feeling that he isn't here, and it may be his progression.

Duck, I've stated my thoughts on him multiple times, and I am not really seeing the lack of spirit that everyone else seems to see. I don't think he's played like he did when he was scum though this fade is a little weird, but I think it's entirely plausible that this game may have slipped his mind. I also see him as town based off something that I don't really want to talk about

[Momrangal]

Can you give a strength of this mysterious townread
Like how much should I sheep you

It's a town for today, best to look into him tomorrow. What I saw him do, is something I have seen him do as scum but, giving him the benfit of the doubt today in the off chance that he's town could mean we are given information tomorrow that will absolutely help the game state

[Momrangal]

Thought I would be able to come back from weekend like usual, but

V/LA through the 9th

[Momrangal]

As i get ready for bed and to wake up in like 5 hrs..

Doing full catch up monday, no nk is something worth looking ar

[Momrangal]

Bernie Sanders' D1 read on Gamma

"in the most general sense I'm more interested in {invis, TW, skitter, NSG, nauci and momr} than the rest here, though that's putting GE and math both completely aside for a bit (not that they aren't okay but)"

Gamma wasn't in Bernie Sanders' immediate FoS pile, but still within his scope.

"Gamma emerald you've had to like osmosis absorb at least something of what's going on by now with how much you're reading"

Bernie Sanders trying to draw out some thoughts from Gamma.

"scum gamma is starting to be possible given he still hasnt dropped the tells I expect"

Bernie Sanders suggesting scum-Gamma to the group (meta reasons).

"I'd probably look to invis or gamma if you have no idea where to start"

Suggests for TW (his scum read who he is voting for) to look at Invisiblity and Gamma.

"I have to go to bed but this wagon is pretty overdue by now"

Bernie Sanders votes Gamma. He feels it's the right time. Was Bernie now happy with TW? How about some thoughts on Nauci (lead wagon at the time...)

"Overall gamma's been playing to his scum meta so far (not really that interested in the gamestate or making conclusions from his questioning)"

Bernie Sanders does sound convinced of Gamma's scum meta.

Now gamma, him starting to engage and ask questions now after it being brought up so often and so hard and giving content after essentially having it beaten out of him and even then it's really not great. idk if he's really actually interested in his questions and pursuing his leads or kinda just talking and if his approach is really to find scum or just look interested and do what people expect. the activity thing, reads based on checking profiles is probably the best thing out of him altogether as far as scumhunting but even then at this point and lacking so much else I can see scum getting to that point mentally of thinking of how to look like scumhunting given somehow just not seeing any good points or whatever else and like "oh I could check the activity". funnily enough normally I'd really townread it, as a supplementary thing to substance reads it'd be going the mile beyond and a huge tell IMO, but as the primary just "thing you're doing" and justification for tw vote meh. but again there's the problem that it's actually potentially just true about TW wrt this game and again there have been some anti-team-tells which means I have to be wrong on one of them. finally I can't judge as to AI but its throwing me off how unfazed he seems to be about his wagon and not even really counterwagoning himself (though its possible momrs scum and idk maybe not comfortable justifying scumread on me?) but doing tw vote.

In context with wagons though gamma has been fairly easy and most people he'd be with would really be hanging him out to dry in a way that doesn't make sense. I actually think momrangal is probably the best vote here; if gamma is scum I think she's almost certainly counterwagoning but if gamma is town I think she's still in a good position to push on me for being on it with her off. I think skitter and nauci are probably town onto her and finally if gamma is town I could see her potentially being with the worst as an alternative (TW scumread mom and voted for pressure but seemed to lose interest)

VOTE: momrangal

My lynch priority is something like

momrangal > N_M > Gamma Emerald > TW > Errant > (over math and then over anyone else)

fact that I probably have to be wrong on either gamma or tw in spite of everything makes it kinda hard to justify going there (I think better EV move is lynch outside and really try to find probably source of misread and townread him ideally if I get the chance)

Sounds like Bernie Sanders has convinced himself that Gamma is not the way to go.

"Anyways I think this wagon is kinda bad and if I was around I'd have pushed way harder for momrangal which I think is superior lynch atm.
Gamma isn't very impressive but I don't actually see that much scum motivation in him and he's kinda being the opposite of survivalistic here"

Definite cold feet here.

"Again I think even if gamma is is scum it's essentially always with momrangal but right now momrangal-the worst looks more of a scum thing."

Scum-mom outweighs scum-Gamma here.

"Although in some ways moreso than gamma himself the wagon feels kind of lazy"

Lazy wagon = wagon on town surely?

"Though to some extent even if its gamma-mom I'd prefer to lynch mom scum first anyways because there I wouldn't have to deal with annoying association spec"

Bernie wants to lynch mom first... Bernie Sanders is gettin overworked with the associations now.

"So this awkward but I just did some meta skim due diligence on gamma and he might just actually be scum >___>"

Presents arguments for Scum-Gamma via meta. This intrigued me alot at the time.

"just finished with gamma scum in it
actually gamma I think you should claim"

Bernie has seen enough meta evidence. It's been a strange read development from Bernie on Gamma. Perhaps too overworded...?

"a bit strange given id expect at least one townread on someone you mesh with or think has good thoughts (here your townreads are all voting you lol)"

Bernie challenges Gamma on the validity of his town reads.

Bernie hammers Gamma. There was a lot of flip-flopping on the Gamma lynch by BS, I honestly don't know what to make of that. Would scum-Bernie not want to make such a dramatic scene at EoD over Gamma to ensure the misslynch? I need help here. Is it alignment indicative for BS?



[I want Bernie to talk about TW today.]

I made a case on bernie scum, and essentially (i completely overlooked it) but this is a little odd.

From your point of view, we're either scum together, hes scum saving me for tomorrow (today) or hes town being pretty erratic.

SoD i feel like i saw bernie explain that he was worried about me getting flash wagoned while i was V/LA but still hard pushing for my lynch before i could even get back from it.

I'm feeling a little betrayed by elephant but i feel like this points to his mindset being fencesitty while not actually looking like such

[Momrangal]

Elephant is a town read, and i feel like hes succumbing to a bit of paranoia. I dont really like it when i have pretty confident townreads and i cant really work with them

[Momrangal]

i don't want the day to end before bv catches up btw

i don't think that 1746 is that scummy tbh

You spent yesterday commenting about me and my interaction with gamma. I still think you're looking at my waffle post regarding him in a vacuum and iirc thats where the bulk of your suspicions come from regarding me.

What are your thoughts on Bernie though? I made a case on him yesterday, and what key posted shows him starting the same behaviour he had around me and gamma. Why do you think hes hard pushing me but clearly going after another target?

[Momrangal]

That post is to keys talking about yours truly, actually! (Bernie)

[Momrangal]

i was thinking more that she has nothing interesting to say about the fact that she was wagoned while she was gone, but same idea

I literally said bernie hammered gamma because he was worried about me being flash wagoned while i was V/LA and pushed for it before i could come back from it.

[Momrangal]

Ok so I have a weird hang up this game
TW is voting momrangal
momrangal is voting invisibility
invisibility voted gemini/TW
strong odds on at least a scum is in this grouping but guess wrong and probably instead detracts from town who is pushing scum (though tbf there's not much pressure from any of these which maybe again loops back to the read to begin with)

math voting nauci because nauci should be more obvtown as town
nauci I'm floating though even as gamma vote read lazy pressure on gamma isn't really the worst thing in the world

essentially people are more pro-town than usual e.g. nobody iirc is pushing my better townreads (at least then you can more comfortably spec scum motivation) at least based on where I'm sitting and ehhhh
possibly this may imply 1 sided distancing (as opposed to 2way which I think is more common) or a misread elsewhere though not necessarily

ultimately it's possible this is completely nothing or a red herring though

This doesnt read fence sitty at all?

[Momrangal]

mom i'm kinda confused why i'm the person you're reaching out to talk about bernie right now tbh. like if you have trouble with bernie idk why you aren't talking to him about it

I have him as scum. I reached out to you, Key and shos. Why would i talk to him about why im scum reading him, im not going to convince him im correctly reading him.

I need to know where you stand regarding him though so i know how hard i need to work to convince you to vote with me to get my desired lynch.

Also yeah, said post was the case and key (possibly inadvertently) made it more likely its the case.

Also what i am saying is this.

Yesterday, bernie hammered gamma and i thought i saw the reason for it being something about me being flash lynched while V/LA yesterday.

Today, knowing im V/LA he makes a push for it before i even come back from said V/LA

[Momrangal]

this bit is kinda inaccurate to me since the wagon only got up to L-3 at that point

I remember discussion and someone voting him to L-2. Even it was just L-3, he was being wagoned when he stated that he could be active later on in the week, aiming to possibly lynch him before he had the chance to get less busy.

As far as gamma goes, shos talked about why im unlikely scum with him.

I waffled at one point yeah, but you are looking at just that.
State of gammas wagon, and the previous stance i had on him was one of the few things overlooked.

Like i said.

"I got cold feet on a gamma bus"

[Momrangal]

though towards the end, it was partially a matter that he was claimed VT and I was slightly worried of an certain outside risk of deadline flash wagon momrangal VLA even if I scumread her more).

Yeah here.

I dont understand why he would be worried if he scum read me.

Further more, this proves he's aware of my V/La and the fact that he pushed be knowing i couldnt respond.

Also, if he was worried of the flash wagon, why wouldnt he be still worried of it considering i was still V/LA

[Momrangal]

Ugh, been in a depression rutt sorry about that

[Momrangal]

If you do have the time to respond to things, I think that the most important things to look at are BS's ISO and the worst's ISO -- i would be most interested to know where you stand on those two.

Don't have it in me to ISO anyone right now, but I've made my stance clear on BS and (despite his saying otherwise) he's been my focus for today. The only thing he's gotten right is the fact that I'm not voting him mostly because I'm just one vote

Worst is leaving much to be desired but the way he's playing around with certain softs still has me wary about going there.

That said, I reached out to two people today regarding Bernie and of both only one responded back.

[Momrangal]

FTR vla should only stop a wagon d1 because it's about content/pressure then. I kind of just want flip now.

Also, Skitter Bernie admitted right here that he was aiming to push me to lynch and that my V/la means fuck all

[Momrangal]

I don't think Bernie's scum, Mom.

And you keep on saying this, but I'm not seeing where Bernie could be town.

The way he's even treating me today is not only not true regarding my conviction and pushes, he's continuously just pushing me down and doing the exact thing he said I was, that being that he isn't even entirely committing to me.

I know you asked about ele earlier too, and he was solid D1. He was working with people, and it looked like he had an agenda of discerning what people were thinking and what motivations could be. What irritates me the most is that he seems to be reading activity as alignment indicative in multiple people and D2 the paranoia he shows is pretty consistent with how I expect town to react

[Momrangal]

It's nice to hear you think I played well but I think I could have been a lot better

Gurlbai.

Like i said in the mafpt, you were singlehandedly one of the scariest people alive.

Also like i said in the dead pt, I have never been so afraid of town, and I think i am one of the more bold and fearless townies on this site.

On a side note did you grab meta from just this account or did you catch wind of my old main?

[Momrangal]

Also like i said in the dead pt, I have never been so afraid of town, and I think i am one of the more bold and fearless

scums

on this site.

Fixed

[Momrangal]

Ms Marangal

[Momrangal]

Said profile has the same name and everything