Titus v. Alisae (endgame)

[AaronFrost]

What up

[AaronFrost]

Anything important happen in these last 18 pages, because that'll effect how closely I read it.

[AaronFrost]

Anything important happen in these last 18 pages, because that'll effect how closely I read it.

We have 3+ ascetics. So, at least skim.

Claim whether you're ascetic as well please.

I am not ascetic

[AaronFrost]

Anything important happen in these last 18 pages, because that'll effect how closely I read it.

We have 3+ ascetics. So, at least skim.

Claim whether you're ascetic as well please.

K so going back to this, I trust Pine's claim which, if true, likely means one of the other two ascetic claims is scum.

[AaronFrost]

It would not surprise me at all if at least one of the people shitposting with Ali is scum. It's making the game a chore to read but I guess I shouldn't be surprised either.

PEDIT: Is that a serious question TSE?

[AaronFrost]

It would not surprise me at all if at least one of the people shitposting with Ali is scum. It's making the game a chore to read but I guess I shouldn't be surprised either.

PEDIT: Is that a serious question TSE?

I tend to not read long walls of posts.

Ok but it's been a pretty big talking point in this game so far so I don't know how that's relevant?

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Ascetic

[AaronFrost]

@TSE: I don't understand your vote on FL.

He spun a wheel... apparently

[AaronFrost]

So you don’t know my role? Actually?

Unless you're a mason, no.

Oh fuck, my role fits me so well.

Oh shit I didn't know there was a jester in this game?

[AaronFrost]

Could be literally being coached through every post. Which tbh I would believe Ali would set up. So you know what.

Vote: TSE

Are you saying that TSE is being coached? Because his posting says otherwise

[AaronFrost]

Alright lock the thread
no more scumhunting

You can't tell me what to do. I'll scumhunt as much as I please.

[AaronFrost]

Could be literally being coached through every post. Which tbh I would believe Ali would set up. So you know what.

Vote: TSE

Are you saying that TSE is being coached? Because his posting says otherwise

You saying that you really believe that Ali wouldn't pick a shitposter then coach a shitposter on how to most effectively shitpost?

Because I 100% believe Ali is capable of that.

I don't think TSE needs coaching on how to shitpost but fair point

[AaronFrost]

Anything important happen in these last 18 pages, because that'll effect how closely I read it.

We have 3+ ascetics. So, at least skim.

Claim whether you're ascetic as well please.

K so going back to this, I trust Pine's claim which, if true, likely means one of the other two ascetic claims is scum.

Uh, he's not claiming ascetic though, and this is worded like you believe he is claiming ascetic - he's claiming ascetic enabler. If you're not paying close attention to his claim, how can you say you believe it?

I know what he claimed. My wording was off, as it usually is, but basically my thought was that if he's a town ascetic enabler, then one of Amrun/RR (the ascetic claims) is likely scum.

I should probably put my vote somewhere huh

VOTE: RR

[AaronFrost]

Can someone Tl;dr the game for me.

Amrun and RR both claimed ascetic, Pine claimed ascetic enabler, and bunch of people are shitposting.

That's about it

[AaronFrost]

I would like more votes on Sherlock and Watson

Idk how many there are currently but I still want more

Sure, I don't like their lack of content and mason fishing.

VOTE: Sherlock and Watson

Where were they mason fishing? I skimmed a lot and probably missed some posts.

Most people haven't had a lot of useful content to be fair.

[AaronFrost]

AF's argument has poor reasoning.

Most of my arguments do to be fair

The reason I think this is because ascetic is a helpful utility for scum and Pine also implied that he's some kind of PR in addition to being an ascetic enabler. I'm just setup speccing here, but that would give scum an interesting dilemma to deal with if that ever comes out and one of them was ascetic.

Scum could withhold their ascetic claim, but then they're likely to get caught in the lie whereas claiming it right away might give them townpoints.

[AaronFrost]

Is there a list of who has claimed ascetic/not ascetic yet? If not I'll compile one in a bit

[AaronFrost]

VOTE: aaronfrost

Using mech reasons to vote this early is kinda dodgy

I don't have solid enough reads to vote based off of non-mechanical reasons. I don't trust my D1 reads anyways.

[AaronFrost]

Ah yes, D1 set up spec off of nothing
loving it!

I wouldn't call it nothing considering there's been lots of discussion around the ascetic claims. But you're scum so of course you have to discredit my arguments

[AaronFrost]

Pine - Ascetic Enabler
Amrun - Ascetic
RR - Ascetic
Chemist - not ascetic
oka - not ascetic
bitmap - not ascetic
ank - not ascetic
hectic motherfucking hectic - not ascetic
spiff - not ascetic
espeonage - not ascetic
sherlock - not ascetic
maki - not ascetic
AF - not ascetic
FA - has not claimed
gobbles - has not claimed
Fl - has not claimed
TSE - has not claimed

If I missed any or got anything wrong let me know and I'll fix it

[AaronFrost]

I think Pine is scum for this ascetic enabling business.

Why is Pine such a townread for peeps? I think his play is pretty bad for reasons I outlined before.

Can both of you explain your stance on this? I could maybe see it coming from scum if he had claimed it unprompted but there were two ascetic claims before Pine's post, which probably triggered his claim in the first place.

[AaronFrost]

In my mind bitmap should be the day 1 lynch and I wanted to see if you'd reach that conclusion as well before meta was involved

-s

I could get on board with this tbh

[AaronFrost]

none of them are
might have to kick them out
no but i'm more likely to be pocketed if someone expresses a solid townread or scumread on me
when someone townreads me i default to oh they're right they have a good read
when someone scumreads me i default to oh this person is misguided i need to change their mind
so basically just don't nullread me

I scumtownread Hectic

[AaronFrost]

what'd you think of my town case on you Aaron?
pretty impressive right?

Very impressive. You learned from the best

[AaronFrost]

@Maki & Kaito and gobbles

I think Pine is scum for this ascetic enabling business.

Why is Pine such a townread for peeps? I think his play is pretty bad for reasons I outlined before.

Can both of you explain your stance on this? I could maybe see it coming from scum if he had claimed it unprompted but there were two ascetic claims before Pine's post, which probably triggered his claim in the first place.

[AaronFrost]

Someone else asked if my suspicion on Pine is role related or claim related. For me, it is both.

Kill Pine to make people not ascetic. We have already had one ascetic claim that he was a powerful role, so to allow a protective to cover that role, Pine needs to go.

Moreover, so other roles can investigate them.

I also have claim related reason to think what Pine did is bad. I think it narrows the pool down for who can be a power role or not. Pine said his role requires him to die for towns benefit. And as such he’s going to try hard. He shouldn’t need to claim and get all of that info in order to try and get killed. Claiming he is an enabler IF there is a scum ascetic just means scum are NOT going to kill him.

I do agree that Pine should die at some point as his role strongly points to there being a scum ascetic but what reasons does scum!Pine have to claim that? If he's scum and all ascetic claims are town, then that strongly helps out town if he dies and it's even worse if there's a scum ascetic on his side. Pine is also hinting that there's more to his role than just being ascetic enabler.

If we are gonna lynch him then we're not gonna do it today but I think this play comes from town.

[AaronFrost]

I agree with this. I also believe they are a high likelihood to be a snipe by Alisae due to their raw proficiency in setup information. Alisae knows going into this game that there's going to be several strong town players that are unavoidably going to be town, so it's reasonably rational to pick up a powerhouse in mechanics to help prevent a disadvantage from forming via mechanics as well.

Considering that Cerberus is provably competent at using mechanics to his advantage to set himself up as very likely town via those methods, I don't believe he would be afraid of an ascetic claim making him lynchable early on in the game.

I disagree with using draft speculation to scumread people. Like we have no idea who or why Ali picked the people that e picked and it's not like e is going to tell us.

I do agree with the last bit but that itself isn't enough for me to want to lynch them immediately. I think they are a good wagon though.

[AaronFrost]

If all town ascetics, getting to know who you can freely nightkill is pretty big.
If mostly all town ascetics, that premise is amplified as you have the scum ascetic kill the town ascetics.
Not to mention, you’ll be able to know who is worth roleblocking or not.

That’s in addition to the fact that people view truth more positively than withholding that information. His claim has already garnered him a lot of good will. Now people are primed to *not* want to lynch him because he is apparently being truthful.

I think those are all reasons why scum!Pine would be more likely to keep that hidden as opposed to claiming it right away. That + the fact that he's willing to die early + him hinting more to his role makes me think it comes from town.

If this is a gambit from scum then I think it'd do more harm for him in the long run which is why I'm inclined to believe it comes from town.

[AaronFrost]

If all town ascetics, getting to know who you can freely nightkill is pretty big.

If mostly all town ascetics, that premise is amplified as you have the scum ascetic kill the town ascetics.

Not to mention, you’ll be able to know who is worth roleblocking or not.

These reasons are why I don't think Pine would do this if he was a scum!Ascetic Enabler. It's just objectively better for scum that it stays hidden.

PEDIT: Every time I try to make a post I get pedited like three times lol

[AaronFrost]

Ascetic's can still get night killed and can't be protected.

Scum already know who they can't use other actions on since there were two ascetic claims already before Pine claimed (assuming at least one of the ascetic claims are town, I highly doubt both come from scum tbh).

Pine seems more than willing to die here and doesn't seem concerned with getting good graces from the town.

[AaronFrost]

Like I think you're probably right if we're in a situation where no one has claimed ascetic.

[AaronFrost]

Spoiler: Mason Eyes Only

What do you think of GG? Of the currently active posters he's the only one I'd consider for recruitment. What do you think?

-S

Spoiler: Masonry message

let's have a look through their ISO
the entrance calling Pine scum because town!Pine wouldn't claim. towny.
spammed a few too many questions without giving material. scummish.
trash talking Ali. townary?
refusing to claim ascetic without good reason. towning.
trying to solve TSE rather than deafult him as village idiot. town.
RR read is eh. meh.
reasons for killing Pine in 1031. town AFF.
1080 is odd, hope there's a reason for it. scummo.

they're townishread won't strongly advocate but won't veto either.
AFF you should chip in.

Spoiler: Super secret message intended for mason eyes only

gobbles initially gave me bad vibes upon his entrance but that kinda went 180 after my recent conversation with him so slight townlean on the turkey.

[AaronFrost]

I forgot Boon was in this game tbh

Damn that Ank wagon built up fast. Someone wanna break the reasons down for me?

[AaronFrost]

TSE I think is probably the last choice by Alisae on the surface, which actually probably raises them pretty high, which also lowers him simultaneously, and keep in the fact he is actually probably near the bottom, I’d say TSE ends just slightly underneath the middle of the pack in terms of picks.

What

I'm not sure if I follow Flavor's draft pick logic but that's because the logic is entirely WIFOM and I really hate WIFOM

[AaronFrost]

Pine did not answer me so my want to kill him and confusion for why he is tr is still high. Oka and Bitmap are also people I want dead atm. Any takers? No? Good because that would require me to read more of the game.

And you still never answered my question regarding Pine, but apparently you haven't been reading the game so that's cool.

[AaronFrost]

I am still waiting for people to accept that I can draft anyone in this playerlist and the only reason why I wouldn't draft someone is because of reasons that only I would know.

Exactly. Reasons that only Alisae and I would know.

Assuming that Ali didn't pick you and thinks that you might have a good idea of who e would pick because of irl experience, wouldn't e try to subvert that?

@Oka:

I'm just reading through them now and I don't like his WIFOM logic either. I'm not sure if it comes from scum though and I'm also not entirely sure how to read Boon. Like I ever won a scumgame with Boon recently and I still don't know how to read him

[AaronFrost]

*even won a scum game with Boon recently

[AaronFrost]

probably Leafy now

Spoiler: Secret Mason Question/Very Important

Why do you townread FL for the WIFOM stuff?

[AaronFrost]

Hi Titus are you town reading me?

I am the one that started the Ankamius wagon after all!

Are you saying that we're supposed to be townreading you because you started a wagon? Don't think that's how it works

[AaronFrost]

Am I the only one that likes Boon's recent posts?

Why do you like them?

[AaronFrost]

I can't read Hectic so someone fill me in.

The only game I played with him was when I was on my alt for Undertale and I just really wanted to lynch him for the weird things he did as town.

As many games as I've played with Hectic (I've lost count as this point) I feel like I should be able to read him decently well, but I've never seen his scum play firsthand. Most of the gimmicky stuff is NAI for him.

[AaronFrost]

Titus will you consider endorsing a flavor lynch

I don't like how overly confident you are in your Flavor read

[AaronFrost]

Titus will you consider endorsing a flavor lynch

I don't like how overly confident you are in your Flavor read

Like if you really want him lynched then you need to make a really convincing case on why his WIFOM logic comes from scum.

I'm not saying that FL is definitively town, and I've already said that I don't know how to read him, but I'm not convinced it comes from scum either.

[AaronFrost]

Am I the only one that likes Boon's recent posts?

Why do you like them?

They felt genuine and seemed like even though his approach (setup spec) was bad, his intentions didn't seem bad.

I think it is something that scum!Boon is capable of doing if he wanted to create noise/confusion (I don't even follow the logic much tbh) but I'm not sure scum!Boon chooses to do that in this gamestate 50 pages into the game.

What do you make of Oka's hard on for lynching FL, because that's not giving me good vibes right now.

[AaronFrost]

FA - has not claimed

She said not ascetic??????????

Didn't TSE also claim not ascetic?

[AaronFrost]

Just vote me already aaron i know you are heading that way

If you insist ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

but yeah that is the direction i'm headed atm

VOTE: Oka

[AaronFrost]

Aaron: Your lack of certainty concerns me. Bah. Fine. I'll go like, ISO them or something.

I'm just aware of Flavor's ability to obvtown pretty easily even as scum lmao. If you asked me with a gun to my head though I'd probably say town.

[AaronFrost]

Pine - Ascetic Enabler
Amrun - Ascetic
RR - Ascetic
Chemist - not ascetic
oka - not ascetic
bitmap - not ascetic
ank - not ascetic
hectic motherfucking hectic - not ascetic
spiff - not ascetic
espeonage - not ascetic
sherlock - not ascetic
maki - not ascetic
AF - not ascetic
FA - not ascetic
gobbles - has not claimed
Fl - has not claimed/ignored the ascetic stuff so assuming not ascetic until proven otherwise
TSE - implied not ascetic

If I missed any or got anything wrong let me know and I'll fix it

[AaronFrost]

Just vote me already aaron i know you are heading that way

If you insist ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

but yeah that is the direction i'm headed atm

VOTE: Oka

Why? My own mental vote count finds this weird but I'm sick. I'm also surprised you're obvtown and not picked as lynchbait here.

I don't like the push on FL, doesn't feel genuine and he never explains why the draft logic comes from scum over town.

I'm pretty sure you've only played with scum me prior to this game but I think my town game is much stronger than my scum game. Like I'm okay at playing scum, but I'm much better at playing town.

[AaronFrost]

I kind of want HokeyPokey to get more pressure.

Earlier in the game, when talking about who can read him, OkaPoka put me on the list, and I said Iw want entirely sure if that were true.

His reactions here imply that I can actually read him. I caught him last year in a pool POE.

I've been trying to push Oka but it doesn't seem like anyone else wants to do it. If we can get a wagon on him, I'm all for that.

There's a few people I wouldn't mind wagoning right now actually.

[AaronFrost]

I don't see why that's a thought process that would be weird for him

because Dunn is one of the players MOST capable of discriminating between town shitposts and scum agendas?

Like BoP here makes him scum most of the time

-S

Hmm

I don't have a lot of experience playing with Dunn, but I have one game of reference that I modded recently that leads me to believe Dunn is not a player who is BoPable

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=81560

He was mislynched on Day 2 as town and didn't do much except lurk the whole game. Not sure if this is a good example of his town play or not but I felt like bringing it up because I'm not a fan of your push there.

[AaronFrost]

Aaron, reading the first 38* posts of his iso in these 3 games, what would you expect him to flip in each? (*if there are 38)

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

No cheating and peaking at the card before you decide!

-S

Based on my experience with him,

town

town

I was in the large normal as scum under an alt so can't answer that unbiased

Why does 2274 read like a pocket?

[AaronFrost]

Not really feeling the Mako wagon tbh. I'll explain more when I have time.

[AaronFrost]

town

town

I was in the large normal as scum under an alt so can't answer that unbiased

Why does 2274 read like a pocket?

well it was ruined but that was my concern, my point was that basically Dunn feels in the ballpark of his play from Excalibur. There's a few differences but there's enough similarities that he has my attention (the 2nd one in the list as ali mentioned where he was scum), and he feels more likely town to me in the games where he was actually town (that makes sense sorry if it sounds weird)

2274 sounds like a pocket because my positive energy is relief that someone actually engaged with me seriously. I love Ank, I love her reads, but it can be a pain getting her to actually refute my points directly which makes it hard sometimes to understand the confidence she has in her reads on specific slots I disagree with

-S

Here's a recent scum game I played with Dunn. He replaced in to this one and was also lurky/similar to the town games I've experienced with him.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=81487

This is part of the reason I think the increase in effort is NAI from him. I've seen him do it as both alignments.

[AaronFrost]

so Sherlock does feel a little off this game
mostly in tone more than anything
and i don't like how he's deflecting Ank's scumread on him like here:

Ank is voting me because she's frustrated that I'm continuing to push Dunn despite her townread on him and the vote is her way of letting me know

That or she believes I'm scummy but I think it's the first one :3

-S

how confident are you on Ank!town Sherlock?

I'm sort of in agreement about Sherlock here. I need to reread them, but I don't think their engagement with Ank has been in good faith.

I'm sort of with you on the mindmelding portion, but after their interactions with me wrt the Maki & Kaito read, I'm starting to feel like I've been pocketed by them.

Like 2274 especially where he's like, overly praising my rebuttal even though I basically rephrased what Ank said about Kaito reads super fake IMO.

They also claimed something weird but I can't remember what they claimed.

[AaronFrost]

VOTE: Sherlock and Watson

[AaronFrost]

Even if you disagree, can you get on a wagon?

Pedit: Ty Oka.

A wagon that I actually agree with has formed so yeah I'm there now

[AaronFrost]

VOTE: mako kaito

Why do I feel like you're trying to appease Titus with this vote?

[AaronFrost]

We’re actually only 1 vote away from becoming a major wagon tbh

My boy AaronFrost, aka the Hollowest of Knights, aka the Zotiest of Mights, is also voting HokeyPokey

He isn't though.

This is true, I switched to S&W because no one else wants to do Oka apparently.

If we can get more votes on Oka then I'll happily switch back.

[AaronFrost]

There's basically three people that I'll wagon at this point, Oka, Sherlock, and one other person who I won't say right now but I'll case when I get free time.

For now though, I have some university projects I need to work on.

[AaronFrost]

Hey I haven't read the last like 20 pages or so someone wanna fill me in?

[AaronFrost]

Are Maki/Kaito at L-1? I'm still not 100% confident they flip scum, but I'm willing to hammer.

[AaronFrost]

VOTE: Maki and Kaito

[AaronFrost]

oh yeah i'm kinda confused how Spiffeh flipped mason
does that mean there's two masonhoods in this game?

That's confusing me too. Really wish Leaf hadn't outed us yesterday but oh well.

[AaronFrost]

Why would S & W throw their teammate that hard on D1?

If they were really determined to fuck with Titus's VCA, I could see that happening.

I think overall their town equity does go up from Maki/Kaito flipping scum though.

[AaronFrost]

I know for a fact that Hectic is town because he's a mason, but Oka's VT claim makes me think of two possible scenarios.

1) Oka's scum who's just given up

2) Hectic is gambitting/lying about being a gunsmith

He didn't consult me in the mason PT before doing this nor did he tell us he was a gunsmith. I think Oka is still scum regardless though.

VOTE: Oka

Think that's like 6 votes?

[AaronFrost]

VOTE: insomnia.

I'm just doing this in advance for hectic saying he made up the result

-S

Why insomnia?

[AaronFrost]

mason buddy
why is Oka scum regardless even if it was a gambit?

mason buddy

I didn't like his play yesterday, but your rolecop pretty much clears him.

Wait do standard goons show us as vanilla for rolecops or am I thinking of a different role?

[AaronFrost]

There's basically three people that I'll wagon at this point, Oka, Sherlock, and one other person who I won't say right now but I'll case when I get free time.

For now though, I have some university projects I need to work on.

who was the third aaronfrost

It was spiffeh lmao

[AaronFrost]

insomnia are you intentionally ignoring the fact that Flavor Leaf claimed masons with both me and Hectic?

Like because if you actually believe that I'm scum, then there's no possible way you're townreading them both.

[AaronFrost]

I thought he was joking

You thought wrong

[AaronFrost]

Like because if you actually believe that I'm scum, then there's no possible way you're townreading them both.

walk me through how you got to this conclusion please

p-edit : i think you're wrong

because if titus picks the masonries she has 3 confirmed towns off the bat

i think she just picks the masonries but doesn't decide their alignment fam

The ones who end up in the masonry are town.

If she picks someone and they don't end up in the masonry, it's NAI.

[AaronFrost]

I'm busy with college stuff so if anyone needs anything from me I'll be online later.

[AaronFrost]

Someone wanna tell me why I'm being wagoned here or am I just gonna get shitpushed and eventually mislynched?

[AaronFrost]

Someone wanna tell me why I'm being wagoned here or am I just gonna get shitpushed and eventually mislynched?

I think its because you don't have a clown nose

Ur right

No one wants to actually engage with me tho so what can you do *shrug*

PEDIT: Ok scum

[AaronFrost]

No one wants to actually engage with me tho so what can you do *shrug*

I literally asked you a question and there's a case on you.

Wow one question good job you did it

A++ scumhunter right here

[AaronFrost]

No one wants to actually engage with me tho so what can you do *shrug*

I literally asked you a question and there's a case on you.

Wow one question good job you did it

A++ scumhunter right here

You gonna ignore me there buddy?

Dont really know what you want me to say to you but ok

I'm stressed due to college and dont have the mental energy to deal with this right now. I'll be back tomorrow if I dont get lynched.

[AaronFrost]

hi

[AaronFrost]

Apologies for the inactivity, been stressed because of university and was not having a good mental health day yesterday. I'll be around later tonight.

[AaronFrost]

Aaron feel better soon.

Thanks Titus! I feel much better today

Catching up now

[AaronFrost]

i mean we are masons don't get me wrong
but they don't know that Aaron
you might need to do something

Leaf claimed it and then you and I both confirmed so I'm not sure why people are still doubting the claim. And if they doubt that I'm actually a mason, then they have to doubt you and Leaf are too.

Like yeah I had been playing under-the-radar scummy on purpose to hide this as long as possible. Most of the solving has taken place in the mason PT.

I feel pretty strongly about insomnia/TSE scum right now tho so that's where I'd like to lynch today.

[AaronFrost]

That's an anti-town lynch, mind you.

If I'm scum I spew half the playerlist.

If I'm town I may actually catch someone.

so

Like this post from insomnia is just awful

[AaronFrost]

The Chemist push from both of those slots is bad too and it's pretty clear that insomnia has never played with Chemist and has no idea how to read him.

TSE's arguments are bad. Like, ultra bad. So bad I'm almost tempted to say that it never comes from scum but I think TSE's fully capable of making bad arguments like that and have people shrug it off saying 'oh it's just TSE being TSE, it's NAI.'

[AaronFrost]

What TF

HAVE YOU DONE THIS GAME

to make you

Town

?

And this is pretty hypocritical coming from someone who used a wheel to decide his reads yesterday.

To those who think TSE is town, why? Like I'm not buying the fact that he just suddenly decided to start playing seriously especially after we had a scum flip yesterday.

[AaronFrost]

VOTE: TrueSoulEnergy

[AaronFrost]

The Chemist push from both of those slots is bad too and it's pretty clear that insomnia has never played with Chemist and has no idea how to read him.

TSE's arguments are bad. Like, ultra bad. So bad I'm almost tempted to say that it never comes from scum but I think TSE's fully capable of making bad arguments like that and have people shrug it off saying 'oh it's just TSE being TSE, it's NAI.'

Hi me and chemist have played on MU since march up to november in approximately 6 games or so

Why’d you think I’d lie about chemist’s meta? That seems like a bad thing for me to lie about.

I don't remember you mentioning chemist's meta but I skimmed a lot so maybe I missed it.

Either way I strongly disagree and think he's town.

[AaronFrost]

That's an anti-town lynch, mind you.

If I'm scum I spew half the playerlist.

If I'm town I may actually catch someone.

so

Like this post from insomnia is just awful

Why?

Like do I actually have to explain this?

You replaced an inactive slot so your flip wouldn't have spewed anyone at that point? And the fact that you're BoPing yourself is just ugh.

They feel like weak excuses not to lynch you

[AaronFrost]

The Chemist push from both of those slots is bad too and it's pretty clear that insomnia has

never played with Chemist and has no idea how to read him.

TSE's arguments are bad. Like, ultra bad. So bad I'm almost tempted to say that it never comes from scum but I think TSE's fully capable of making bad arguments like that and have people shrug it off saying 'oh it's just TSE being TSE, it's NAI.'

That’s a scum slip.
Both ME and Insomnia have played with Chemist.
We even stated it in this thread.
So

RIGHT NOW THERES 2 POSSIBILITIES.
1 - You DIDN’T read the entire thread
Or
2 - Your SCUM

I already said that I skimmed the thread so

[AaronFrost]

That is demonstrably not a scumslip. Like I don't think you actually know what that term means.

Being wrong =/= being scum.

If you think being wrong is a scumtell then you're gonna scumread me in every single game I play

[AaronFrost]

Yeah because I definitely believe you're a vengeful

I have my reasons for thinking chemist is town here

[AaronFrost]

No, that’s a slip. You are probably scum that has been demoralized by the day one lynch and you were projecting onto TSE your reasoning for not playing seriously after the flip.

I already said that I missed your meta read on Chemist because I skimmed a lot. How the fuck is that a scumslip? How was I supposed to know that you had prior experience with Chemist when I clearly mentioned that I skimmed and didn't see it?

PEDIT: It's not a lie, it's a lack of knowledge. Now that I know, it's something I'm taking into consideration.

[AaronFrost]

Like you willingly stepped down your most convincing part of the case and saying it was wrong in order to deflect from it being a slip. Cuz if you’re wrong then it means it can’t be a slip, right?

What are you even talking about?

I'm not backing down on my Chemist read or my read of you, I'm backing down on the fact that you have no experience with chemist since that's objectively not true.

[AaronFrost]

No, that’s a slip. You are probably scum that has been demoralized by the day one lynch and you were projecting onto TSE your reasoning for not playing seriously after the flip.

I already said that I missed your meta read on Chemist because I skimmed a lot. How the fuck is that a scumslip? How was I supposed to know that you had prior experience with Chemist when I clearly mentioned that I skimmed and didn't see it?

PEDIT: It's not a lie, it's a lack of knowledge. Now that I know, it's something I'm taking into consideration.

I’m not even talking about this, talking about the post where you said TSE’s scum for tryharding after a scum lynch

That's not the 'slip' that TSE was referring to

PEDIT: Dude I explained this 1000 million fucking times, Leaf Hectic and I are masons. I can townread someone while disagreeing with their reads.

[AaronFrost]

Aaron why didn't you vote tse yesterday

I wasn't scumreading him yesterday.

I'm scumreading him today.

PEDIT: I never said the wheel thing was scummy, I said it was dumb.

[AaronFrost]

Like I'm not buying the fact that he just suddenly decided to start playing seriously especially after we had a scum flip yesterday.

He won’t answer that.
He’s scum.

How am I supposed to answer a gif?

[AaronFrost]

Ali what about 3952? is that a slip?

See, now if I were to say "Chemist hooded AaronFrost and they're in a neighborhood together" then that would be a slip

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

How the fuck did you know this?

[AaronFrost]

VOTE: Chemist ?

[AaronFrost]

Chemist hooded me. I thought he was town because I didn't think there could be two scum neighborizers.

Looks like scum either has a second neighborizer or a uni backup of some kind.

[AaronFrost]

We aren't in a hood with RR.

I'm in a hood with Chemist, and Chemist is in another hood with RR.

This is what he told me.

PEDIT: Chemist says RR hooded them

[AaronFrost]

I'm not ascetic

[AaronFrost]

What if scum has a role that can identify who is in a PT or not. Is that a normal role?

PT cop

[AaronFrost]

I'm trying to figure out what the fuck just happened so give me a minute

[AaronFrost]

Why do you care about finding a Mason?

it's the highest value for neighborizer here because it gives you a direct line to at least two confirmed town

Could also be worth it for scum to attempt to communicate/manipulate the masons.

[AaronFrost]

- Chemist hooded me
- RR hooded Chemist
- Ali somehow knew this

Possibilities
1) Follower/tracker combo who targetted Chemist last night, this might be possible in a game where scum has a lot of power.
2) RR is scum neighborizer who hooded Chemist
3) Chemist is scum neighborizer who hooded me
4) I'm scum who was hooded by Chemist (false but if you want to argue this feel free)
5) RR and Chemist are both scum (or me/Chemist or me/RR (also false because I'm town but again, feel free to argue this))
6) Some other option that I'm not thinking of right now

I want to say this spews Chemist as scum, I think the play of establishing communication between two people he knows to be town makes a lot of sense for scum. He could be scum with RR but I townread RR based on their play. I want to see how they respond to this though as it'll determine whether I'm right or wrong on my read.

PEDIT: Scum either has a second neighborizer or a UB but that's not really important at the moment.

[AaronFrost]

Like I'm not buying the fact that he just suddenly decided to start playing seriously especially after we had a scum flip yesterday.

Yes because this is a scumslip. Oops I slipped real hard guys.

[AaronFrost]

SO IF YOU WANT TO SPECULATE ON HOW THIS HELPS ALISAE, THE ONLY GAIN IS MAYBE WE MOVE OFF OF AARON FROST

BUT ALSO IF WE IGNORE ALISAE, WE WERE STILL GOING TO LYNCH AARONFROST

You move off me today, but if I'm the only scum in the group of three, then I just get lynched tomorrow so zero long term benefits in doing this if I'm scum.

[AaronFrost]

SO IF YOU WANT TO SPECULATE ON HOW THIS HELPS ALISAE, THE ONLY GAIN IS MAYBE WE MOVE OFF OF AARON FROST

BUT ALSO IF WE IGNORE ALISAE, WE WERE STILL GOING TO LYNCH AARONFROST

You move off me today, but if I'm the only scum in the group of three, then I just get lynched tomorrow so zero long term benefits in doing this if I'm scum.

If you lynch Chemist and he flips town

[AaronFrost]

SO IF YOU WANT TO SPECULATE ON HOW THIS HELPS ALISAE, THE ONLY GAIN IS MAYBE WE MOVE OFF OF AARON FROST

BUT ALSO IF WE IGNORE ALISAE, WE WERE STILL GOING TO LYNCH AARONFROST

You move off me today, but if I'm the only scum in the group of three, then I just get lynched tomorrow so zero long term benefits in doing this if I'm scum.

the longterm benefit is you lynch one more townie???? wtf lol

A townie who was likely to be mislynched anyways, so no reason to stir the pot in that case (assuming i'm scum and chemist is town)

[AaronFrost]

You're gonna be doing a lot of reevaluating then my friend

[AaronFrost]

Wait I lowkey didn't even know Bitmap claimed neighborizer.

VOTE: Bitmap

[AaronFrost]

I still think somni and TSE are scum btw

[AaronFrost]

Wait I lowkey didn't even know Bitmap claimed neighborizer.

VOTE: Bitmap

Shoot this please

Stop tunneling me please

[AaronFrost]

I still think somni and TSE are scum btw

I think your stupid.

Rude but ok

[AaronFrost]

I really do think we should lynch in the hoods today though

[AaronFrost]

I think he’s just.... dare I say it

Spoiler:

Stupid

like AF is.

I'm gonna say this in the nicest way I possibly can

Fuck yourself

[AaronFrost]

Holy fuck 40 pages appeared since I last checked this game.

I think I'm already on Bitmap. A VC would be nice right now but I think both the mods are busy.

This day has been a mess.

[AaronFrost]

Huh I usually just count votes manually but if I ever wanted to mod a larger game an auto vote count would be helpful.

[AaronFrost]

Titus

Votecount 2.2

Bitmap(6)

~ AaronFrost(47), Sherlock and Watson(133), insomnia(243), Hectic(50), Amrun(34), TrueSoulEnergy(275)

Pine(2)

~ Ankamius(99), Bitmap(124)

AaronFrost(2)

~ gobbledygook(143), OkaPoka(144)

OkaPoka(1)

~ Pine(3)

insomnia(1)

~ Espeonage(41)

Flavor Leaf(1)

~ Chemist1422(70)

Chemist1422(1)

~ Flavor Leaf(51)


Not Voting (1): Reasonably Rational(41)

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch.

Day 2 deadline is in [countdown]0.00[/countdown]

It didn't register the lynch on M&K properly so I had to make some manual edits but this should be close

-S

[AaronFrost]

I was veto'd by Titus

This game is pandemonium at the moment.

[AaronFrost]

If there was anything addressed to me let me know because I don't feel like reading 50+ pages

[AaronFrost]

Probably because I've been kinda low effort in most of my games lately

[AaronFrost]

I mean I'd rather not be mislynched.

I probably shouldn't live until lylo though if I'm looking at my slot from the outside

[AaronFrost]

TSE why exactly do you think that the whole scum team is JOATs all with neighborizers?

Like all JOATs I could see, but each of them having a neighborizer seems unlikely to me.

If you've already explained this then quote it for me.

[AaronFrost]

Aaron have you recently played with Ali?

I've only played with Ali in Mainstream Mafia II

[AaronFrost]

TSE why exactly do you think that the whole scum team is JOATs all with neighborizers?

Like all JOATs I could see, but each of them having a neighborizer seems unlikely to me.

If you've already explained this then quote it for me.

Alisae response to Neighborizors was BAD for a Treestump.
Also their so and so “Slip” is also telling.

I think the 'slip' was done to cause pandemonium, which it's apparently doing a good job of.

Like I agree that scum most likely has another neighborizer of some kind, but to say the entire scum team is neighborizing JOATs is a reach for how much info we have right now.

[AaronFrost]

My scumrange is weird

I've had like one or two decent scumgames (Large 223 where I was scum with Boon and Titus and Micro 897) but the rest have been shit

[AaronFrost]

I mean honestly I'm still willing to lynch Chemist but Titus veto'd it

[AaronFrost]

Like I've flipped the argument; I thought Aaron was town because there were things absent from his scumgame I would have expected to see. But now I'm worried this is outside his townrange, i.e. iso is too empty to come from town Aaron?

-S

Krazy have we played together prior to this game?

I'll admit that I haven't been playing to my meta this game, call this my lazy town game if you will.

I've also been pretty busy the past couple weeks but I should have more free time this week.

[AaronFrost]

Titus I'm okay with lynching Bitmap and all, but can you walk me through why you don't want to lynch in the hoods?

[AaronFrost]

Like if I'm looking from the outside here, lynching in {me, Chem, RR} is objectively the best move here.

In order for all three of us to be town, that would require scum to have both a tracker AND a follower who both targeted Chem N1, which I suppose is possible, but feels unlikely unless Chem softed or crumbed somewhere.

[AaronFrost]

Oka I've already said I'm fine with lynching Bitmap if Titus doesn't want to lynch in the hoods today.

Tomorrow though, that's what we should do is lynch in {Chem, RR}

[AaronFrost]

Like if I'm looking from the outside here, lynching in {me, Chem, RR} is objectively the best move here.

In order for all three of us to be town, that would require scum to have both a tracker AND a follower who both targeted Chem N1, which I suppose is possible, but feels unlikely unless Chem softed or crumbed somewhere.

Or Ali to just be speaking in a hypothetical. I put some heavy thought into it.

Like it's not today but I only want a case that's not slip based. 99.9% of slips are garbage. I've seen two in my entire career.

Are you fine with lynching in the hoods tomorrow then? What's the game plan after we lynch bitmap?

[AaronFrost]

I brought that up a while ago

[AaronFrost]

Ali what about 3952? is that a slip?

See, now if I were to say "Chemist hooded AaronFrost and they're in a neighborhood together" then that would be a slip

The only think needed here is a scum tracker if Alisae knows Chemist role as a neighboring player.

Chemist claimed JoaT though, so in order for this to be the case

1) Chem would have to be scum
2) Ali would have to somehow know that Chem was a JoaT and which shot he was using and who he was using it on

[AaronFrost]

Aaron hasn't claimed other than being hooded by chemmy right?

-S

Nope

Did someone ask me to claim earlier? I thought someone did but I can't remember.

[AaronFrost]

If I had a cop shot and the option to hood RC/Ank

I'd hood RC/Ank any day everyday.

If you wanted to sheep their reads though, wouldn't it be better for you to know their alignment first, and THEN hood them?

This makes no sense,

[AaronFrost]

I really think we should be lynching in the hoods today i.e. {Chem, RR}

Chem why exactly do you think Bitmap's vote on RR doesn't indicate partnership between the two?

[AaronFrost]

Not sure about RR after seeing all the ascetic claims. Need to think this over tonight while I'm sleeping.
UNVOTE:

@Titus:

Thoughts on RR? I had some scum vibes cause of that ascetic early claim on them but now I see there's a bunch of ascetic claims so I'm kind of unsure now.

pedit:

I'm listening.

I don't think this a partner interaction

If Bit wanted to bus they would go ahead, but if they're pushing a townie here I think they're more likely to be hesitant

Ok so problem with this is that Bitmap did this pretty early into Day 1 and scum aren't going to come straight out of the gate and bus each other. Soft distancing like this, they could definitely do early in the game. I think Bitmap would probably be a bit more committed to it if RR was town and he wanted to push that.

[AaronFrost]

So I think the posts you're quoting are + scum equity for RR.

I'm trying to decide which is better to lynch between Chem and RR but I'm kinda thinking it could just be both of them now? Is it really that easy? I'll need to look over the case against Ank.

PEDIT: Again, that was early into the day, you're assuming that Bitmap pushing there would lead to them getting lynched, which isn't necessarily true.

[AaronFrost]

@Chem:

Why is that not optimal? It could mess with associations and establish that footing early so that if one of them ever flips, then people don't associate them together.

[AaronFrost]

Chemist <3

I love you as a player <3

You're cool guy!

Please don't get mad if I scumread you

-S

^^ Echoing this sentiment, Chemist is great.

I still think he's likely scum this game, but he's still great

[AaronFrost]

P.S. - That looks like an actual slip. When you're typing fast and slinging one liners is when you're most likely to forget to adjust things like pronouns. You just say what your brain knows is true. Telling a linguist to "Learn to English" might feel like a good "comeback" but it doesn't change that fact that your brain

excluded

you from the town.

Yeah that is definitely NOT a scum slip. I often use they when referring to the town as a whole and in general try to refer to myself neutrally when talking about myself under the assumption that no one knows my alignment (unless I'm conf town or something). This just feels nitpicky.

[AaronFrost]

i don't normally like "scumslips" but this one might have grounds tbh
i feel like this sort of thing can be checked if people meta Gobsie and see if they ever ever refer to town as "they" while also being town

Hectic what? There's no way you actually think that right?

[AaronFrost]

VOTE: Chemist

I'm either doing this or RR today, and out of the two, I think Chemist is more likely to flip scum.

I skimmed Titus's Ank case, didn't get around to reading it in depth. I think it has some merit to it, but I'd rather lynch in the hoods today.

[AaronFrost]

Can we get a definitive list of all claims and actions? I don't even remember what Espy claimed.

[AaronFrost]

VOTE: RR

Only explanation I can think of for why Ali knew about the hood between me and Chemist. Scum would have to have a combined tracker/follower who targeted Chemist in order to know this otherwise, which feels unlikely given the roles that have flipped/been claimed but also Chemist would be a weird choice to target with that N1.

[AaronFrost]

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

I do not care. I already did my work this game, Sherlock’s read is absolute trash if he’s town

Mason buddy, stop with the AtE please. It's not helping your case here.

[AaronFrost]

I don't really understand why S&W are being scumread? They've been obvtown ever since like Day 2 for me.

Right now I'm at RR/Ank for last scum

[AaronFrost]

I firmly believe Espe is town not just based on play, but also their claim.

Ank just reads as really wishywashy and I don't really understand how or why she townreads RR.

[AaronFrost]

I firmly believe Espe is town not just based on play, but also their claim.

Ank just reads as really wishywashy and I don't really understand how or why she townreads RR.

Espy claimed that he has a clear on Ank though.

What are your SW and FL reads?

Oh I missed that nevermind that read then

S&W I think is obvtown, FL I townread somewhat but to a much lesser degree

[AaronFrost]

Directly countering momentum in an act of naked survivalism. *shrug*
-Cerb

Not countering anything, you're just the most logical vote based off of the hood slip. I couldn't care less if you think it's me, considering I'm scum from your point of view based on the hood slip

*shrug*

[AaronFrost]

If AF is scum, he has told Alisae “FL will eventually catch me”

I think I said this exact phrase in the last scum game I played with town!you.

[AaronFrost]

Ali implicated one of Esp’s results is scum because Ali knew Esp’s role and had the scum member lie about receiving the notification.
The results implicated are Oka, me, and Ank.

Oh cool Ank can still be scum then nice.

If I'm wrong about Ank then it's probably Hectic or Pine. I think everyone else is town based on play.

[AaronFrost]

I think AF is the mislynch scum want here

I mean I don't really think I'm a threat to scum, I'm just the easiest vote here right now, so scum in a desperate situation will try to get that mislynched

PEDIT: VT

[AaronFrost]

Massclaim titus plz

I'm interested in Frost and Frost alone atm

What's up, what you need from me?

I already claimed VT, you know, in case it wasn't obvious I'm not actually a mason

[AaronFrost]

Nice

[AaronFrost]

That wasn't actually a hammer

[AaronFrost]

That wasn't actually a hammer

It totally was.

Nope it wasn't, I was at L-2 but Ank and S&W both unvoted me. I'm at L-2 again.

[AaronFrost]

Nice

? Hurry before mod locks. What are your real reads?

Either way I've pretty much given my thoughts, so if I do end up lynched take it into consideration.

[AaronFrost]

What are the numbers supposed to represent exactly?

[AaronFrost]

Advocating a lynch on one of your scum minions isn't going to spew them as town Ali

[AaronFrost]

actually can you give us a shotgun list ordered top to bottom like Ank does?
explanations not required

S&W > Espy > Oka > gobbles > FL > TSE > HecticMFHectic(<3) > Pine > Ank > RR

[AaronFrost]

Also my slight dip in activity has more to do with me being busy irl than anything else. I'm at a point where I really only have time to check this site once a day and it'll likely be that way for a little while.

Which means I have to log off now and you probably won't see me until around this time tomorrow.

[AaronFrost]

sigh AaronFF as i know him is moving on to bigger and better things in life
good luck with whatever AaronFF <3

Thanks HecticMFHectic <3 You make it sound like I'm leaving though I'm just busy with college stuff

[AaronFrost]

what about a voyeur on you?
and why is it so strange to target Misty?

Voyeur on me would only tell them "AF was targeted by a neighborizer" not who targeted me. If it was a combined watcher/voyeur maybe.

Either way, this setup seems heavily based around JOATs so having a role like that feels weird. Regardless, I think RR has like a 99% chance of flipping scum here.

[AaronFrost]

actually can you give us a shotgun list ordered top to bottom like Ank does?
explanations not required

S&W > Espy > Oka > gobbles > FL > TSE > HecticMFHectic(<3) > Pine > Ank > RR

How are me and Espy not the number 1 and 2 town reads? We are literally confirmed town.

Top 4 are conf town, didn't think about the order much.

FL and TSE are townlean.

RR is scum

Hectic/Pine/Ank are the PoE

[AaronFrost]

How am I possibly under gobbledy

Don Corleone. All I'm saying

[AaronFrost]

Top 4 are conf town, didn't think about the order much.

How are SW and Oka conftown again?

Oka because of Hectic's result. SW because they were the driving force behind the Maki lynch.

[AaronFrost]

He’s using clever gimmicky names to hide behind and come across townie like he’s doing stuff, but there aren’t based for the majority of these reads that isn’t the Pokemon Sword and Shield equivalent Story wise compared to a Soul Silver.

Out of everyone in the playerlist, Hectic is the one I've easily played with the most. He's gimmicky regardless of alignment, but you can never completely trust him

Hectic is in my PoE, but he's someone I'll have to sort through later. The Oka gunsmith gimmick was kinda townie to me as well so I'm not 100% confident on Hectic.

I'd rather get RR today.

[AaronFrost]

To be honest, I alluded to this earlier, but Hectic’s play around my “slip” was the worst of the people who reacted to it. He was very fence sitty whereas everyone else took a hard line approach that it was either a slip or not a slip.

Do you think a Hectic/RR scumteam would both try to push that as a slip? I agree that his play around it was weird especially when everyone else was calling that as not a slip.

[AaronFrost]

He’s using clever gimmicky names to hide behind and come across townie like he’s doing stuff, but there aren’t based for the majority of these reads that isn’t the Pokemon Sword and Shield equivalent Story wise compared to a Soul Silver.

Out of everyone in the playerlist, Hectic is the one I've easily played with the most. He's gimmicky regardless of alignment, but you can never completely trust him

Hectic is in my PoE, but he's someone I'll have to sort through later. The Oka gunsmith gimmick was kinda townie to me as well so I'm not 100% confident on Hectic.

I'd rather get RR today.

In your experience, does Hectic have a good sense of what to do as a power role?

I'm gonna have to remember what games I've played with him where he was a PR.

There was one newbie game where he was a tracker and he managed to stay hidden and get useful results. I don't remember what other games we've played where he was a PR that aren't ongoing.

[AaronFrost]

I could lynch Aaron for using the word "nitpicky"

That's a scummy word LOL

-S

Ah fuck you caught onto my scum tendencies. AF confscum lynch immediately.

[AaronFrost]

To be honest, I alluded to this earlier, but Hectic’s play around my “slip” was the worst of the people who reacted to it. He was very fence sitty whereas everyone else took a hard line approach that it was either a slip or not a slip.

Do you think a Hectic/RR scumteam would both try to push that as a slip? I agree that his play around it was weird especially when everyone else was calling that as not a slip.

I think that RR is town for the push of the slip. The quickness of that situation makes me think that it is not something two scum could have properly coordinated. Do you think a scumteam would do that?

Not entirely sure, it's definitely not a good look though. I don't think RR is town for that push and that + the hood nonsense is why I want them lynched today.

I'll have to take a closer look at the timing of it to see if it comes from a scumteam.

[AaronFrost]

Have we just suddenly decided we're not comfortable taking the fucking confscum lynch and would instead just kinda go for something else based on whatever the hell it was FL was posting?

-Cerb

Nah, town just came to their senses and realized that I'm an easy mislynch here. You on the other hand...

[AaronFrost]

i always have two stances with slips
either they're obviously

not a slip

or they

could be a slip

but i'm not sure
i never think anything is obviously a slip unless it's clearly something that was meant for the scum PT or something like that
i'm talking about semantic slips
your one was unsure but could be worth something with a meta check

You wanna see a scumslip HecticMFHectic? Read it and wince for me.

Also I don't think that's a meta thing as much as you think it is? I think it's just how he worded that particular sentence.

[AaronFrost]

lul i literally had 0 scum wins when this game started

And now you have scum meta thanks to me

PEDIT: Nope, that was actually meant for the scum PT I just wasn't paying the fuck attention when I posted that.

[AaronFrost]

you're the best
wouldn't even mind if you've completely bamboozled me as scum

I've done it before and I'd love to do it again some day

[AaronFrost]

Holy fuck I leave for a few hours and come back to like 20 pages

[AaronFrost]

You mean I have to try? It's like past midnight here.

I've already said my piece on RR. Other than that my PoE for remaining scum is Ank/Hectic/Pine.

Who does Titus want lynched right now? Besides me? I'll probably just sheep that because this day has been too chaotic.

[AaronFrost]

Fuck you mean Oka? I've been trying? I've had my vote on them literally all day

I didn't really push you all that hard either so?

PEDIT: Ok I'll go Hectic then since he's in my PoE, just gonna check the votes and get caught up first. Why don't you want RR today Titus?

[AaronFrost]

bruh on me you wrote a nice tidy paragraph

id expect you to be shitting out cases

and playing some greasy politics to hit em up

I didn't really and don't remember casing you that hard but ok.

I'm also trying to work with Titus here instead of clashing with her, which is something I think a lot of people are forgetting we need to do right now. I don't have anything else to say other than RR is just scum and I will ensure that they flip, Titus permitting.

[AaronFrost]

VOTE: Hectic

Not fully caught up yet but if this is what Titus wants then that's cool with me. It'll help me narrow down me PoE. Not entirely sure what the votes are, but I don't think this is a hammer.

Going to sleep.

[AaronFrost]

Sadness.

Pretty sure we lost this the moment Maki and Kaito were lynched.

[AaronFrost]

Nice job managing your early game tone Aaron, although you probably need to hard defend a townie off meta some game now as scum, you don't want to let there be things you basically only do as scum/scum

Thanks, combination of being irl busy and having two of my partners get lynched back to back kind of killed my motivation tbh

[AaronFrost]

according to my reads lists, apparently I scumread AF off these posts

yeah that's fair although he usually efforts more as scum so he was I think directly going against his scum meta

-S

That was just me being lazy

[AaronFrost]

btw Titus this was meant to be a self-deprecating joke, wasn't expecting you to take it literally lmao

oh fuck don't conf town me then ever