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Post Post #318 (isolation #0) » Sat Mar 28, 2020 3:55 pm

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In post 316, TemporalLich wrote:
gobbledygook replaces Team STRQ
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Post Post #320 (isolation #1) » Sat Mar 28, 2020 3:58 pm

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I'll be reading the game over the next couple two days.
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Post Post #321 (isolation #2) » Sat Mar 28, 2020 4:14 pm

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In post 62, EspressoPatronum wrote:
In post 40, Chronos wrote:No way a civilian thinks that much about his entrance and an rvs vote yada yada yeeeeee
In post 48, Egix96 wrote:
In post 41, eyestott wrote:[...]
Not a fan of that entrance. VOTE: Chronos
Nah, I think that 24 is clearly worse. I don't see why Patronum should be so concerned with (highlighted). To me it reads as scum not wanting to stick their foot in it.

VOTE: Patronum
Two things Re: .

1. I dislike hydras, so they're my go-to vote.
Really?
In post 194, EspressoPatronum wrote:
In post 120, chkflip wrote:
We are currently at 7/40 confirmations.
As a reminder, the election doesn't start until 21/40 confirmations.
I will consider simply posting in this thread at all (instead of posting /confirm) a confirmation.
Confirm
In post 198, EspressoPatronum wrote:
In post 133, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 70, InsideJob711 wrote:imagine being challenged to a rap battle but declining like a tiny mouse
I bet he lives under Patrick's house
If you wanna start dropping bars we can go to the gym
Try going head to head with me, stop picking on him
I’m not to beefiest dude but I have great endurance
I won’t go out easy, that’s my assurance
Take me on, why don’tcha?
Are you afraid I’ll own ya?
Step up to the plate, you’re not so great
I’ll eat you up with some okra.
Oh damnnn
In post 201, EspressoPatronum wrote:
In post 148, Doctor Drew wrote:
In post 147, Menalque wrote:Oh wait, this is for the governor?

VOTE: menalque
Ok

VOTE: menalque
Ok

VOTE: menalque
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Post Post #322 (isolation #3) » Sat Mar 28, 2020 5:11 pm

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In post 80, Chronos wrote:do have some other scum reads though that I plan to keep for myself and will probably lurk for quite a bit and
observe from afar
.
[image]https://forum.mafiascum.net/download/fi ... 515839.jpg[/image]
In post 115, Adorable wrote:I'm scum hunting and you're going to have to elaborate on the scum read.
Why did you respond with "I'm scumhuning" to Mastina's vote on you? Her post doesn't accuse you of not scumhunting.
In post 122, Chronos wrote:Let's begin.
In post 76, Team STRQ wrote:-I mean, I can kind of see Chronos' point but what about mastina's text in 12? That was a pretty thoughtful opener, too.
Let's be clear here, this was not a question. It's not addressed towards ME, it's SHADE. If you can't get the distinction right, then that's on you.
Since I am but a modest turkey with an even more modest bird brain, could you clarify the distinction for me?
In post 123, alimdia wrote:Since my vote is already on Adorable, does that mean..... Townbloc, join!
Wait a second... UNVOTE:
Why unvote here?
In post 124, eyestott wrote:Don’t mind if I do! UNVOTE:
Why did you follow Alimidia and unvote Adorable here?
In post 141, mastina wrote:
In post 115, Adorable wrote:I'm scum hunting and you're going to have to elaborate on the scum read.
For an easy demonstration of the difference between Adorable as town in a game like this and Adorable this game:
This is Adorable's iso/entrance into a game with a lot of posts.

Contrast it to what Adorable did this game.
There seems to be a lot more information available to analyze in that game than there was in this game. I do see your point, though.
In post 213, eyestott wrote:I don’t think fluff is really AI is it? I’m not a very skilled player, but I do know exactly what I’m doing at the moment. The fact that you don’t has me a bit suspicious.
What are you doing at this moment?
In post 217, Chronos wrote:Is that, it's kind of goofy thought process. A wolf, if they were afraid, would most likely not even mention it. I have trouble parsing this as a legit town PoV, if you think they are afraid of a certain push on a slot, wouldn't you think they would just...not do it?
This is actually a good point.
However, I have a question: do wolves always do logical things?
In post 231, TemporalLich wrote:Team STRQ (4) - Rabid Schnauzer, Chronos, Adorable,
Titus
Wait... what...
In post 229, Titus wrote:VOTE: STRQ

Ok, I just can't sit on Adorable any longer when I can't fit him on my scumteam.
Why did you vote STRQ here when you had been saying EP/BP was scum this entire time and had been trying to get Mastina to vote BP/EP?
In post 245, EspressoPatronum wrote:Small favour to ask of the Raven head before it becomes an issue. Can you pay more attention to your tone?

Adorable's alignment and/or play is not an excuse to treat her poorly.
If Raven was Enter, the tone makes so much sense. Enter was Miss Lynch from Mainstream Mafia II.
In post 249, EspressoPatronum wrote:Scum
Titus

Egix
EP, why did you scumread Titus here? You had not publicly posted an opinion or really announced suspicion of Titus when you posted this list.
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Post Post #331 (isolation #4) » Sun Mar 29, 2020 12:45 am

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Hi EP :)

If you normally vote hydra, why didn’t you vote them in Mainstream Mafia or Coalition?
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Post Post #332 (isolation #5) » Sun Mar 29, 2020 12:48 am

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I still have the last few pages to read. I think Mastina and Chronos are my top townreads.
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Post Post #334 (isolation #6) » Sun Mar 29, 2020 4:32 am

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In post 329, Titus wrote:
In post 322, gobbledygook wrote:Why did you vote STRQ here when you had been saying EP/BP was scum this entire time and had been trying to get Mastina to vote BP/EP?
Because my scumcore is EP and BP. My other guesses were your slot and mastina. I'm much weaker there. If I can't get my core, I'd rather use my vote to scumhunt the edges.
Even though you said you wanted to work with Mastina?
In post 261, mastina wrote:Your play in this game actually looks a hell of a lot like your approach in that scumgame. You linked that in an attempt to clear your name but it actually is pretty damn condemning.
What is similar between her game here and the scum game she linked?

- I just want to give Adorable a hug. I think that post is fairly townie.
In post 288, alimdia wrote:Yes this wagon pls

VOTE: eyestott

As per his request, I will not mention the thing he told me not to mention, but I am voting him because of it.
Why would he as scum do The Thing he doesn't want you to mention, but repeatedly drawn your specific attention to The Thing he doesn't want you to mention?
In post 293, Sujimichi wrote:I am caught up. I believe mastina to be Town. I also believe Team STRQ to be Town though with a lesser degree of confidence.
Why do you think Mastina is town?
In post 298, Churros wrote:Adorable/Chronos, give eyesott ISO a glance.
Not interested?
I've really not a grasp of the game and skipped around 60% of the posts in my skim, but I feel good about my SR on him regardless of anything else.
Why did you ask this random question?
In post 300, eyestott wrote:Full outline coming soon as I’m about to go to the tip, but the tldr is that I am the Role Flavorer (well, Flavourer) and I’ve been seeding this information to specific people to see how they reacted.
What reactions were you looking for?
How does your Role work? Do you give people random flavor as the day goes on, or did you give everyone flavor before the game started?
In post 303, alimdia wrote:That is.... not what I thought you were doing.
What did you think he was doing?

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EspressoPatronum

Why did you ignore my "Really" question towards your RVS explanation? I pointed out that you did not vote the hydra as your first vote in that game. In fact, you even quoted a post a hydra wrote, but then decided to sheep them.
Also, you did not start the game with a vote on any of the hydrae in coaLITion.

Why is this the first I am hearing of your dislike for hydra and your policy votes against them?
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Post Post #335 (isolation #7) » Sun Mar 29, 2020 4:35 am

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Town Core: Activate!

- Chronos
- Churros
- Mastina
- Sujimichi

Obliterate


Scum Core:
Die

- Titus
- Rabid Schnauzer
- Egix96
- EspressoPatronum
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Post Post #338 (isolation #8) » Sun Mar 29, 2020 5:23 am

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In post 336, EspressoPatronum wrote:@gobble - my dislike for hydras developed in the william tatney game. Post 118 of that game is where I decided it.
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

Regarding the specific games you mentioned:

I didn't realize they were hydras until well after RVS. I don't think I ever mentioned a hydra in MM2. In CoaLITion, I talk about my dislike for hydras in post 138 in
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go
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Those don't really seem to support the position you took in this game.
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Post Post #341 (isolation #9) » Sun Mar 29, 2020 5:48 am

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Subject: micro 886: mbos6 william tatney. game ogre
EspressoPatronum wrote:I kinda want to policy Doc H because the hydra shenanigans are going to be a pain.

Icing on the cake that others think Doc H is scummy.
MBOS William Tatney


Subject: Micro 887: the coaLITion [game over]
EspressoPatronum wrote:
In post 132, Alchemist21 wrote: [...]
RC reads was talked about earlier and it’s based on NSG actually posting.
I was hoping you'd have a bit more to substantiate the read at this point, as scum!nsg could very easily post more. What's your read on the RC head*?

*Note - I find it hard to read hydras. Is it better practice to split the read by head and consolidate later, or approach the read in a holistic manner from the outset?
coaLITion

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In post 24, EspressoPatronum wrote:I was actually going to vote for the hydra, but I saw Ank's profile pic in there + didn't want her to think I have a vendetta against her from TM20.

I picked BSG bcz I don't know what it stands for.
In post 69, EspressoPatronum wrote:Ahhh, I think I see the issue here. My hydra votes are not rvs, they're policy votes. I intentionally vote hydras because I dislike playing with them + they make it hard to sort their respective slots.

After choosing to not policy vote the hydra, I RVS voted BSG.
Fairly special

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I am specifically referring to the fact that you vote hydrae based on policy. Those two posts from those other games do not support your contention that you vote them based on policy when it seems like you actually have not yet voted a hydra based on policy.
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Post Post #342 (isolation #10) » Sun Mar 29, 2020 5:52 am

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In post 340, Rabid Schnauzer wrote:
In post 335, gobbledygook wrote:Rabid Schnauzer
WTF is this based on? More fake reads.
I have previously caught you!scum based on your activity levels. See below.


Subject: Open 762: CK9++ [Over!]
gobbledygook wrote:Like, what happened to your Philammon (Rick Dalton) scum read?

At the end of yesterDay, he was your second strongest scum read behind Thespio. You have completely ignored that slot toDay. Are you still scum reading him, are you not scum reading him? Why haven't you said anything about him, to him, or generally tried to even sort him?

I went through your posts to see what your activity flow has been and it is pretty weird. There is a marked decrease ebb and flow pattern to it. You post a lot then will mostly disappear for a day or so and then post a lot and then go back to lurking. It looks and more importantly
feels
like you're just trying to show your face rather than contribute.

I even did a quick chart to show it since you don't have very many posts.

Image

Y axis is the number of posts, X axis is the days. It isn't perfect, but I've included the data below so you can verify for yourself. I included the 1 post you had on the 4th.

Spoiler: Data
July 18 -- 9 posts
July 19 -- 2 posts
July 20 -- 14 posts
July 21 -- 3 posts
July 22 -- 1 post
July 23 -- 0 posts
July 24 -- 9 posts
July 25 -- 3 posts
July 26 -- 2 posts
July 27 to 29 Night
July 30 -- 7 posts
Aug 1 -- 1 post
Aug 1 to 4 VLA (you did have 1 post promising content on Aug 4)
August 5 -- 0 posts
August 6 -- 12 posts

If anyone in this game has a reason for their current Rabid Schnauzer read, it is me. ;)
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Post Post #346 (isolation #11) » Sun Mar 29, 2020 6:15 am

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In post 344, EspressoPatronum wrote:
At the end of the day, ask yourself this -- what does scum!EP gain from getting into this mess about my first vote? I could have just gave a lame rvs explanation for BSG without any extra reasons.


You specifically should know how careful I am when I'm concealing information bcz of our time in the MM2 mason group.
This is the question I have been asking myself since Cronos brought it up. I have a couple of answers. My first answer is that you felt compelled to add something to your RVS vote. I don't know why you would feel compelled to add something to your RVS vote, let alone that. My second (and final) answer is that you did not think about it and just posted it and now you're backing away from it under the veil of WIFOM.
:lol:

I do know this about you. However, at this point in the game, I would not know what information you are trying to conceal.


Why were you not more explicit with your reasoning for scumreading Titus? You only explained after I questioned why she appeared on your scumlist.
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Post Post #348 (isolation #12) » Sun Mar 29, 2020 6:56 am

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In post 347, EspressoPatronum wrote:If you think I'm scum, then I would be trying to conceal that I am scum.
True, but you would not not do something (read: you would do something) you thought concealed you as scum. ;) It is possible that another explanation for the random comment about STRQ and policy is that you fully believed it to be your town meta to do such a thing. This is further supported by the fact that you admit you thought you policy voted a hydra in another game.
In post 344, EspressoPatronum wrote:Ahh, I see. I could have sworn I've done a hydra policy vote, but I can't find one in any of my other games either.
It is possible that you were aware of that meta and thought detracting from that meta needed an explanation. You just happened to be wrong about your own meta. :P
In post 347, EspressoPatronum wrote:Are you asking about Titus because you also scumread her? Why not ask about the townreads, too?
I have a This Game answer and a Not This Game answer to this question.
This Game Answer: I think it is interesting that you both scumread one another.
Not This Game Answer: I think it is easier to find scum by looking at their scumhunting, not their townhunting.
Addendum to the Not This Game: Scum are going to be necessarily correct when they call townies town. Probing a scum's mind for correctly townreading a townie seems like an exercise fit for a Lovecraft punishment.

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Egix
In post 293, Sujimichi wrote:I am caught up. I believe mastina to be Town. I also believe Team STRQ to be Town though with a lesser degree of confidence.
I do not think that a replacement comes into the game and townreads one of the top wagons as one of their only reads.
In post 319, Sujimichi wrote:Hello, gobbledygook! You are replacing a slot that I had a light Townread on, so I am looking forward to your views on the game.
Furthermore, I do not think scum Sujimichi reaches out to me specifically here. I cannot substantiate this feeling, but it is something that I do believe.

Now, I have a question for you, Egix.
Why did you ask me about Sujimichi, but not ask Sujimichi about his reads or opinions?
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Post Post #350 (isolation #13) » Sun Mar 29, 2020 7:23 am

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In post 349, Egix96 wrote:
In post 348, gobbledygook wrote:Now, I have a question for you, Egix.
Why did you ask me about Sujimichi, but not ask Sujimichi about his reads or opinions?
It stuck out to me like a sore thumb that you were townreading Suji for what I regarded as three NAI posts, and why would I question Suji's townreads when they were similar to my own?
So having two similar townreads precludes you from asking Sujimichi about his other opinions?
Note to self: When scum against Egix, just mimic his reads.
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Post Post #352 (isolation #14) » Sun Mar 29, 2020 7:28 am

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My Activity Flow analysis is peer reviewed, tyvm
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Post Post #354 (isolation #15) » Sun Mar 29, 2020 7:29 am

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:lol:
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Post Post #357 (isolation #16) » Sun Mar 29, 2020 11:02 am

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In post 356, Chronos wrote:
In post 322, gobbledygook wrote:However, I have a question: do wolves always do logical things?
The point wasn't even that. It's about how town thinks wolves act, not how they actually act, and the read itself is not dependent on what a wolf would be logical or not, but if town!Egix would decide to vote for someone because they didn't want to vote a hydra based on "reads as a wolf not wanting to stick their foot in" without even considering "Why would a wolf even do that, if it's that awkward?" It's his conviction that's unwarranted given the evidence and it has nothing to do with what EP did.
What do you think about my opinions on EP? I am following much the same reasoning that Egix did. My conviction might be different. :nerd:

What do you think of RS’s vote on me?
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Post Post #365 (isolation #17) » Sun Mar 29, 2020 4:17 pm

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VOTE: Adorable
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Post Post #367 (isolation #18) » Sun Mar 29, 2020 5:05 pm

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In post 366, eyestott wrote:If anyone would like the data from my little experiment (as in when I leaked my role to who) because they think I may have been onto something, I'm more than willing to provide the information.
What data should we be asking for? I don't even know what to ask you about your results.

What were your results?
Why did you choose the flavor names that you did?
In post 366, eyestott wrote:The plan is that during early day one, I subtly tell certain players that I know their role flavour by referencing it.
I don't know what this plan is supposed to do for you. Let people know that you are the Role Flavourer. Ok. But beyond that? I'm not sure I am following.
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Post Post #406 (isolation #19) » Mon Mar 30, 2020 2:51 am

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I think I am warming up to an EP town read.
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Post Post #409 (isolation #20) » Mon Mar 30, 2020 2:54 am

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Titus, how is your vote still on me?
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Post Post #411 (isolation #21) » Mon Mar 30, 2020 3:11 am

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I find it very strange that Titus would not want to work with me after TvA and even after I caught up and others raised their opinions about me she still left her vote on me.

Her asking to start a wagon on EP seems like she’s trying to test the waters for an EP vote hop.

VOTE: Titus
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Post Post #418 (isolation #22) » Mon Mar 30, 2020 3:26 am

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I explained why I townread you, Sujimichi, in a response to Egix. The others will have to come later this evening.
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Post Post #419 (isolation #23) » Mon Mar 30, 2020 3:27 am

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Why would I omgus you for calling me Professor Gobbles? I find that title to be a compliment. :lol:
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Post Post #432 (isolation #24) » Mon Mar 30, 2020 4:24 am

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In post 417, Titus wrote:I am not lock scumming you, so this is working with you. I'm not interrupting you. Instead, you OMGUS me when I tell you to get out of being Professor Gobble.

Professor Gobble never showed up in TvA. While others like your posts, I find there's a real possibility of S v S with EP.
I don’t know why you would still be voting me, is my point. You voting me doesn’t give off a “work with you” vibe. This aggression also seems out of place given the game, and given me.
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Post Post #439 (isolation #25) » Mon Mar 30, 2020 5:09 am

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In post 434, Titus wrote:
In post 432, gobbledygook wrote:
In post 417, Titus wrote:I am not lock scumming you, so this is working with you. I'm not interrupting you. Instead, you OMGUS me when I tell you to get out of being Professor Gobble.

Professor Gobble never showed up in TvA. While others like your posts, I find there's a real possibility of S v S with EP.
I don’t know why you would still be voting me, is my point. You voting me doesn’t give off a “work with you” vibe. This aggression also seems out of place given the game, and given me.
I'd am voting you because you're the scumread I can get. That doesn't mean I'm not opposed to working with you to lynch EP or BP but you'd have to bus them and you have no incentive to do so right now. No one but me is going to hold you to your posting of your scumpool anyway.
What do you mean by scumread [you] can get?
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Post Post #441 (isolation #26) » Mon Mar 30, 2020 5:21 am

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I don’t know why you are scumhunting with all of these associative reads when we have no flips to use.
You’re also saying 4 people could be scum which necessarily means you are wrong on one of those reads scum reads.
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Post Post #457 (isolation #27) » Mon Mar 30, 2020 10:00 am

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Are you saying in 446 that Raven used a condescending push against you here?
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Post Post #458 (isolation #28) » Mon Mar 30, 2020 10:01 am

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As in this game?
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Post Post #460 (isolation #29) » Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:24 am

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In post 459, EspressoPatronum wrote:
In post 457, gobbledygook wrote:
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Are you saying in 446 that Raven used a condescending push against you here?
In post 458, gobbledygook wrote:As in this game?
In MM2 as Miss Lynch.
Why would Enter’s habit there make Adorable town here? Do you think Enter only uses a condescending push against town?
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Post Post #469 (isolation #30) » Mon Mar 30, 2020 4:19 pm

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I
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responding to things but then my browser ate the post. So now I’m going to bed.
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Post Post #475 (isolation #31) » Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:14 am

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In post 473, alimdia wrote:
In post 370, Churros wrote:Gobble from 0 to 10, how much you enjoy playing scum and again from 0 to 10 how much effort do you usually put in your scum games?

Don't lie because I might find out if you do.
Last town game I played with him he definitely put way less effort in and way less posts
I switch up my general activity and posting style to prevent people from being able to get activity reads on me. The game in question was running concurrently with TM2020 Whiteflag where I was scum and purposefully lurked. That then lead to real life getting in the way so I lurked disproportionately across the site.

To answer the question if I like scum... well, I am curious, Churros, how would “might be able to find out” what my preference is?

I prefer playing town. I don’t like playing scum because it takes the detective/solvey part out of the game. :P
On a scale 1-10, probably a 6 for enjoyment in playing scum. On a scale 1-10, probably a 10 on the effort I put into playing scum. I put 10 into effort playing as town too.

Do you think effort can be easily seen through just posts in the main thread?
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Post Post #479 (isolation #32) » Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:32 am

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In post 477, Sujimichi wrote:
In post 412, Sujimichi wrote:
In post 332, gobbledygook wrote:I still have the last few pages to read. I think Mastina and Chronos are my top townreads.
Would you please go into your Chronos read more in-depth?
As a reminder, gobbledygook, I would still like this to be answered.
I know, I haven’t forgotten. That was in the post last night that was eaten.
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Post Post #483 (isolation #33) » Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:46 am

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I want EP to be town really, really bad.
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Post Post #485 (isolation #34) » Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:52 am

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:'( Adorable
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Post Post #488 (isolation #35) » Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:26 am

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Egix doesn’t really remind me of that one newbie where he was scum and yeeted me D1. At least I think he was scum then.
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Post Post #490 (isolation #36) » Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:26 am

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Is that the one with Ircher scum? I get you guys confused
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Post Post #506 (isolation #37) » Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:00 pm

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In post 505, Churros wrote:I feel less happy about my town lean on gobble as well
Por quoi?
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Post Post #508 (isolation #38) » Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:12 pm

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In post 507, Churros wrote:It had a lighter/carefree tone to it, kinda.
Interesting. My own self evaluation would come to the opposite conclusion.
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Post Post #511 (isolation #39) » Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:24 pm

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Ah makes sense. The post I am currently writing up has a bit of that, but the lack of that is an energy thing. I've been lethargic last two real life days.

I'll post the post so you know I'm not bs'ing you just because you said it.
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In post 355, EspressoPatronum wrote:Fair point. What do you think of Titus' reasoning? And further, do you think my read of her questioning on me is accurate?
1. I am a little surprised at the intensity and severity of Titus's play thus far in the game. I do not think that there is much to Titus's reasoning (EP's vote from BP to Chronos). I feel like Titus might be stuck in a tunnel when it comes to you.
2. When I read this question, I drew a blank on what your read of her questioning meant. I looked through your iso and I still cannot explain what "[your] read of her questioning" is referring to. Can you link it?
In post 355, EspressoPatronum wrote:Re: the addendum -- I sometimes find it helpful to sort people based on their reasons for townreading (eg. Volpe's reason for townreading me in TM20). Your scumreads won't always be correct, so sometimes you can find town based on their town reads.
What do you look for when analyzing an individual's reasons for a townread?
In post 356, Chronos wrote:It's his conviction that's unwarranted given the evidence and it has nothing to do with what EP did.
What do you think of Titus's conviction in her scumreads?
In post 361, mastina wrote:Particularly Sujimichi because this is night and day different from any Sujimichi towngame I've ever seen.
I liked Sujimichi's early posts. How is his play in this game different from his play in the town games you're familiar with?
In post 362, mastina wrote:Turkey is locktown of locktown….
I appreciate the kind words. :) They mean a lot coming from you. I hope I don't disappoint with this new found burden on my back. :lol:
In post 368, Churros wrote:If you add Eyesott to your scum core I could support this.
What didn't you like about eyestott at this point in the game?
In post 378, Titus wrote:This S/T v S professor non-sense needs to stop.
Why do you feel so strongly about me playing this way?
In post 384, Churros wrote:Now, asking me about Suji when I explained in the post above seems like you trying to look busy. Skimming my posts would be fine as well but why question my read list when you've not even read my post explaining it?
Do you think scum!Titus would ask such a question? Do you think scum!anyone would ask a question that has such an obvious answer?

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Post Post #512 (isolation #40) » Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:40 pm

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Churros about to hate me for this post. Sorry, buddy. :cry:
In post 401, Egix96 wrote:UNVOTE:

VOTE: Adorable

I'm sold, honestly.
In post 398, Adorable wrote: I said over here everyone approaches games differently and you can't expect a town player to play the same in another game they play as town. I'm getting really sick and tired of this meta discussion to the point when there is no case on me. Maybe I should just claim and this should be a lesson learnt to never focus on meta.
Claiming won't clear you in a role madness game. Furthermore, I would be very disappointed if you were actually a powerful town role.
When this post happened, I didn't like it. As I sit here thinking about it, I still do not like it.
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In post 332, gobbledygook wrote:I still have the last few pages to read. I think Mastina and Chronos are my top townreads.
Would you please go into your Chronos read more in-depth?
Finally getting around to this (again :dead: )

The read mainly stems from Chronos's early aggression towards Team STRQ. I think Chronos is an alt, but I really do not see someone trying to take on a town four-headed hydra in the way that Chronos did. I would expect scum to take potshots at the hydra, but tackling a slot with four heads is a huge undertaking. It is even more difficult knowing the four heads in that hydra. Krazy, Alyssa (Ankamius), Taly,
and
Enter? Yeah. If I was scum I would probably town read that slot to pocket it and then blow it up into smithereens in the night. All four of those players can be extremely dogged and frankly I do not think it is worth scum's time to try to fight that beast head on. Both and show that Chronos is not afraid to take monumental undertaking onto her shoulders. I really do not think scum pick that fight that early in the game when there are plenty of other weaker slots to attack.

Independent of her attack on STRQ, I think she had comprehensive scumhunting much earlier than I would imagine a scum would begin to try and fake comprehensive scumhunting. You can see what I am talking about in .

I hope that helps clarify my townread on Chronos. I am going to jump ahead because I know you asked me about my read on Churros.

Apart from the wonderful alliterative effect of putting Chronos after Churros in my towncore, I found these two posts to be townie.
In post 296, Churros wrote:There was a lot of...words, and I didn't parse everything yet (I'll re:read the game at some point), but from my skim I came up with

[Chronos]
[Adorable]
[Everyone else] - null
[Eyesott]

I felt eyesott posting was forced and when I did properly ISO him I only saw filler or posts that came off as trying to look busy. I'm quite happy with those reads.
Basic premises:
I do not think Churros is an alt.
I think Churros is still new to mafia.

Given those premises, I do not think Churros makes this type of readslist. Churros listed Adorable as the second highet townread. This is going to draw the suspicion of mastina, another player who if I am scum, I just try to pocket and blow up in the night. :lol:
I am very much supportive of the path of least resistance when I am scum.

[NOTE - part of the above analysis is wrong as Churros has admitted to being an alt focused on casual play in , I still think that the casual aspect of the account leads Churros to not want to antagonize or set himself up to butt heads with mastina though]

The scumread on eyestott also seems like original scumhunting. It isn't just a blank scumread. It is accompanied with reasons in the post below.
In post 298, Churros wrote:
I don't usually explain town reads but I feel like I'm going to mostly work with those two (I don't think I'm going to get confident town reads on anyone else in this playerlist, I don't vibe well here) therefore properly explaining it for once might be the way to go.


The main reason I'm TR'ing both slots is that I feel both actively invested in solving the game, in a way that it's not just a "solvy post to look busy".Chronos's posts come off as very engrossed in the game and his long posts don't feel like the classic scum writing a lot of redundant things to make posts bigger. His words have purpose.

Adorable seems actively solving the game and I distinctly remember that being huge town points for him, because his scum meta is being rather lackluster as far as I know. It would be something null for most players but I TR him for it.

Adorable/Chronos, give eyesott ISO a glance. Not interested? I've really not a grasp of the game and skipped around 60% of the posts in my skim, but I feel good about my SR on him regardless of anything else.
Moreover, I find the
orange
to be candid in a way that I doubt Churros would post it as scum. Churros is still new to the site. I doubt Churros has established a meta or reputation as a player that does not explain their town reads, but Churros chooses to acknowledge this and go out of their way to post about it.

However, this could be something like EP where Churros thinks Churros would post that comment if town and has a guilty conscience about it. :thinking: But, I think it is more likely that Churros is town in this instance.

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In post 358, Chronos wrote:It sucks.
Thinking back on this answer, Chronos, what was this in response to specifically? I asked you two questions in the immediately preceding post.
I asked you what you thought of Rabid Schnauzer's vote on me, which I think is what you answered.
But I also asked you what you thought of my opinions on EspressoPatronum, which I do not think you answered yet. if you need a refresher on which post I am asking about.

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In post 423, Titus wrote:
In post 419, gobbledygook wrote:Why would I omgus you for calling me Professor Gobbles? I find that title to be a compliment. :lol:
Oh bullshit. It's clear by the context I wasn't using Professor Gobbles as a compliment. You have been filling up the thread with useless theory while interacting with EP rather than anything that sorts him.
Titus

I am still having trouble parsing this.
Could you point to my interactions with EP that show I have not been sorting him? Out of all the slots in the game, I would say that I have been trying to sort him the most. We were fantastic mason partners in Mainstream Mafia II and we worked well together in Team Mafia 2020.
In post 428, Titus wrote:
In post 335, gobbledygook wrote:Scum Core: Die
- Titus
- Rabid Schnauzer
- Egix96
- EspressoPatronum
This scum core is another reason I don't trust you Gobbles.

Your scumcore is my two scumreads, me, and the one other guy voting EP. Your pool is about distancing from EP but shading those who want him dead.

Your interactions might as well be a neon sign of scum with EP and BP. I don't let people have their cake and eat it too.
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In post 442, Titus wrote:But you know I am scumhunting. That's the rub. You may not agree with my methods, but you know I am using them. You know this is how I hunt from T v A as well
You expect too much of me. :lol: I have the memory of a goldfish. When it comes to things, I can't really remember anything. People get mad at me for asking a lot of questions, some of the time being redundant or already asked questions, but it is because I have a super terrible memory.
I do not really remember the specifics of your scumhunting.

I do remember your tone though. It is much harsher here.
In post 470, alimdia wrote:gobble I unvoted Adora cos it was my RVS vote, and I didnt want the wagon getting too big
Why is the wagon getting big a bad thing?

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Post Post #526 (isolation #41) » Wed Apr 01, 2020 6:25 am

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@all, I will be toning down the walls now that I can be more active real time
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Post Post #534 (isolation #42) » Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:21 am

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VOTE: Adorable

I feel better about this now that she has replaced out of the game.
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Post Post #538 (isolation #43) » Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:41 am

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In post 536, EspressoPatronum wrote:
In post 534, gobbledygook wrote:VOTE: Adorable

I feel better about this now that she has replaced out of the game.
Why did her replacing change your feeling about the vote?
I don’t have the moral guilt of voting for Adorable anymore.
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Post Post #548 (isolation #44) » Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:42 am

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In post 545, Churros wrote:
In post 538, gobbledygook wrote:
In post 536, EspressoPatronum wrote:
In post 534, gobbledygook wrote:VOTE: Adorable

I feel better about this now that she has replaced out of the game.
Why did her replacing change your feeling about the vote?
I don’t have the moral guilt of voting for Adorable anymore.
Do you think that the replace out is scum indicative though?
No, I think it is personality driven. I think most replace outs are personality driven and thus NAI.
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Post Post #549 (isolation #45) » Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:43 am

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In post 546, Churros wrote:@Gobble why adorable and not titus?
Not personal reasons: I trust Mastina to be town and I also trust her case. She is someone who is good at meta'ing other players.
Personal reasons: I don't want Titus to hate me.
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Post Post #552 (isolation #46) » Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:32 pm

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I do remember thinking that Titus’s comments on being able to do the Adorable wagon could be scum not wanting to commit to a scum buddy.
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Post Post #556 (isolation #47) » Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:47 am

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Adorable seems like a nice person and if Mastina is wrong I didn’t want her to have bad feelings about me. Clearly she was upset as she replaced out.
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Post Post #571 (isolation #48) » Thu Apr 02, 2020 8:02 am

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So both of you vote momo...
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Post Post #586 (isolation #49) » Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:14 pm

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In post 578, Titus wrote:My theory on 1.13

Momo is town. Only Gobble is scum voting him. This is to keep "momentum" on that mislynch.
EP is confusing to try and create an alternative mislynch in case momo falls apart.
This leaves RS/BP pisskop as scum off the major wagons. Pisskop keeping his vote useless isn't reassuring. Momo does have a point about RS but RS isn't likely scum with EP in this wagon setup.
It’s always the people closest to me that death tunnel me and I don’t understand why.
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Post Post #587 (isolation #50) » Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:16 pm

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VOTE: Rabid Schnauzer

I could also do Egix I think.
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Post Post #593 (isolation #51) » Thu Apr 02, 2020 3:41 pm

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Vote the dog, pk
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Post Post #595 (isolation #52) » Thu Apr 02, 2020 4:03 pm

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Just as long as you vote the dog
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Post Post #606 (isolation #53) » Thu Apr 02, 2020 11:52 pm

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I don’t really believe you wouldn’t play this game because of your role if you were town.

What’s your opinion on Egix, RS?
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Post Post #610 (isolation #54) » Fri Apr 03, 2020 12:19 am

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In post 608, Rabid Schnauzer wrote:
In post 598, TemporalLich wrote:Rabid Schnauzer (5) - momo, gobbledygook, mastina, eyestott, Titus [L-2]
That's one lazy freakin' wagon.

How often does that D1 flash wagon hit scum? Less than random I'd bet.
You should probably claim
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Post Post #612 (isolation #55) » Fri Apr 03, 2020 1:36 am

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Why are you voting EP?
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Post Post #614 (isolation #56) » Fri Apr 03, 2020 2:20 am

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Ok
I think he’s L-2 though
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Post Post #624 (isolation #57) » Fri Apr 03, 2020 4:54 am

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RS do you want to answer 617
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Post Post #627 (isolation #58) » Fri Apr 03, 2020 5:10 am

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Yes. Why does my answer matter though?
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Post Post #630 (isolation #59) » Fri Apr 03, 2020 5:21 am

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In post 628, Rabid Schnauzer wrote:
In post 627, gobbledygook wrote:Yes. Why does my answer matter though?
Don't want to waste my time.
What? I said it would change my mind on you.
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Post Post #633 (isolation #60) » Fri Apr 03, 2020 5:37 am

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When I read that statement initially I read it as "Don't waste my time." Carry on! Looking forward to you addressing EP's question.
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Post Post #636 (isolation #61) » Fri Apr 03, 2020 5:43 am

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Since we are nearing the end of day I am going to full claim my role because it has too much potential to screw up this game if I don't.
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Post Post #641 (isolation #62) » Fri Apr 03, 2020 5:48 am

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In post 638, Titus wrote:VOTE: EP

Ok, Gobble. If you felt like that, why not claim when you arrived? Not really interested in claims even though I SR you as I could be wrong. If you strongly feel your role is neg utility, do it.
It isn't necessarily negative utility. It is actually fairly positive utility. But it is negative utility if people do not know how to interpret their results.
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Post Post #643 (isolation #63) » Fri Apr 03, 2020 5:51 am

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Three days to deadline is not NEARING THE END OF DAY? Do we live on the same planet, RS?
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Post Post #645 (isolation #64) » Fri Apr 03, 2020 5:52 am

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:facepalm:
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Post Post #647 (isolation #65) » Fri Apr 03, 2020 5:56 am

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I mean like... I used the word NEAR which should be able to explain the proximity to end of day. It's not "We are about to hit the end of day" "End of day is about to happen" "End of day is TOMORROW". We are NEAR the end of day. Which is at 6a.m. on Monday. I don't know about you all, but I am anticipating sleeping between now and then. So like, please, grammar nazi me more?
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Post Post #648 (isolation #66) » Fri Apr 03, 2020 6:02 am

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VOTE: EP
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Post Post #662 (isolation #67) » Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:08 am

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Extra extra read all about it!

Ep scum game hot off the presses!

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=82341
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Post Post #667 (isolation #68) » Fri Apr 03, 2020 11:28 am

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In post 665, EspressoPatronum wrote:
In post 648, gobbledygook wrote:VOTE: EP
Et tu, Brute?
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Post Post #711 (isolation #69) » Sat Apr 04, 2020 3:30 am

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I’m a duplicater. After targeting me a persons action is doubled
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Post Post #719 (isolation #70) » Sat Apr 04, 2020 5:34 am

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In post 712, Titus wrote:Is it the action they target you with only or any action?
The action they target me with, does not work on scumkill
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Post Post #720 (isolation #71) » Sat Apr 04, 2020 5:35 am

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Pk are we finally town together!!
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Post Post #725 (isolation #72) » Sat Apr 04, 2020 7:58 am

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In post 721, EspressoPatronum wrote:
In post 711, gobbledygook wrote:I’m a duplicater. After targeting me a persons action is doubled
Do you mean a 1-shot is doubled to 2-shot, or that an action taken on you can be repeated again in the same night on someone else?
I’ll ask the mod
I assumed that a 1 shot would be doubled
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Post Post #738 (isolation #73) » Sun Apr 05, 2020 1:24 am

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Wait why don’t we just kill Pisskop?

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Post Post #740 (isolation #74) » Sun Apr 05, 2020 2:21 am

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VOTE: Rabid Schnauzer
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Post Post #741 (isolation #75) » Sun Apr 05, 2020 2:33 am

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EP if you are one shot and you target me tonight then the next night you have two shots
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Post Post #742 (isolation #76) » Sun Apr 05, 2020 2:42 am

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Pk scum :,(
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Post Post #743 (isolation #77) » Sun Apr 05, 2020 2:43 am

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Egix could be too hmm. I’ll have to read Egix iso when the site isn’t lagging
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Post Post #759 (isolation #78) » Tue Apr 07, 2020 6:42 am

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VOTE: Sujimichi
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Post Post #760 (isolation #79) » Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:05 am

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I apologize in advance.
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Post Post #763 (isolation #80) » Tue Apr 07, 2020 8:18 am

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They are not related
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Post Post #766 (isolation #81) » Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:41 am

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In post 764, Sujimichi wrote:
In post 759, gobbledygook wrote:VOTE: Sujimichi
I believe I know why; however, you are mistaken.

:!:



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Post Post #768 (isolation #82) » Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:55 am

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No, I did not target you. I am curious why you targeted Mastina though?
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Post Post #770 (isolation #83) » Tue Apr 07, 2020 10:49 am

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Mastina scumread you yesterday. I’m carrying on her wishes
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Post Post #776 (isolation #84) » Tue Apr 07, 2020 11:36 am

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In post 772, Sujimichi wrote:
In post 770, gobbledygook wrote:Mastina scumread you yesterday. I’m carrying on her wishes
You are correct that she did initially; however, you are incorrect in that she changed her stance. If you read her posts and , you will see that.
I think her earlier read was accurate after rereading yesterday.

I’m interested in the EP vote on me.
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Post Post #785 (isolation #85) » Tue Apr 07, 2020 12:16 pm

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In post 780, EspressoPatronum wrote:
In post 668, EspressoPatronum wrote:
In post 667, gobbledygook wrote:
In post 665, EspressoPatronum wrote:
In post 648, gobbledygook wrote:VOTE: EP
Et tu, Brute?
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What part of recent events made you change your vote onto me?

Was it the conclusion of the Greatest Idea IX game?
@gobble
No, it wasn’t. It was the fact that the game stagnated around RS lynch which seemed to indicate town. When no one moved to you, or anyone else, I think it’s scum indicative the other option is scum.
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Post Post #787 (isolation #86) » Tue Apr 07, 2020 1:15 pm

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I chose you because there’s still something fishy to me about you. I can’t really get over the weird self meta you did that ended up being wrong lol.
I also didn’t like how you later had a self meta comment directed at me. That felt pockety. Plus Titus was on you so I felt safe sheeping her. Maybe this is what it is like to play against you without knowing your alignment :P

By other option I am saying as the day drew near the end, your wagon sat at 3 votes for a while and no one joined it. Meanwhile people were joining the RS wagon.

I need to relook at it. My vote is probably not in the right place right now, but until Suji does things he did in Skyrim uPick im comfortable keeping it here and getting others to add it. Suji targeting Mastina with an invention or a fruit seems like a pocket attempt too.

Churros remains my top townread.

Pisskop looks pretty bad too and is a good vote.
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Post Post #789 (isolation #87) » Tue Apr 07, 2020 2:53 pm

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I felt safe sheeping her doesn’t mean i townread her. ;)
I said that specifically because Titus seems bus happy from what I remember of her scum meta and i was hoping she was maybe going for that one you. but admittedly I’ve only played with her in two scum games and one of them was MM where she didn’t do much.

I posted it here in case anyone needed meta on you.

I didn’t say those things because I don’t want to clog the thread and I want people to develop their own gameplay for me to look at
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Post Post #791 (isolation #88) » Tue Apr 07, 2020 11:47 pm

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I just remember the cult mini game where I pushed GI as scum all day 1 and then the first thing you did Day 2 was vote him immediately.
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Post Post #795 (isolation #89) » Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:20 am

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Titus, what result did you imply you would have today?
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Post Post #810 (isolation #90) » Wed Apr 08, 2020 4:05 pm

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In post 801, Sujimichi wrote:
In post 779, Sujimichi wrote:
In post 776, gobbledygook wrote:
In post 772, Sujimichi wrote:
In post 770, gobbledygook wrote:Mastina scumread you yesterday. I’m carrying on her wishes
You are correct that she did initially; however, you are incorrect in that she changed her stance. If you read her posts and , you will see that.
I think her earlier read was accurate after rereading yesterday.

I’m interested in the EP vote on me.
Then there is more to your vote than “carrying out her wishes” (especially as you are expressly not carrying them out). What did you find on your reread that led to you believing I am Mafia?
As a reminder, I would like this to be answered and your follow up post did not do so. In fact, it results in another question. Why do you feel that my action (of which you presume incorrectly) was a "pocket attempt" and not a result of my explicitly stated Town read?
I found the few posts that you did have yesterday were not up to the standard that I have in my mind for Sujimichi!town based on Skyrim uPick. I just felt like your posts there were
filled
with substance. Your posts before today did not carry that same feeling.

I will say since this day has started I do feel better about you being town. I also feel that way for EspressoPatronum, which is relieving. I think the people that I think I have a good grasp on how they play town were not in their groove/zone on Day 1. I started in my groove/zone, but something happened that broke me quite frankly.

I think I am rebuilding my town core now and it is {Churros, Sujimichi, EspressoPatronum}.
Chronos has been dropped, but I don't think that really matters anymore because I feel like they are going to flake out today.

To answer your question about my pocket attempt comment, I feel like with your keen awareness of where you were on Mastina's readslist it would make sense for you to target her with a benign ability like an invention or a fruit. People look more kindly upon those who give them gifts (read: this is a true psychological phenomenon). After thinking about your ability, I do wish that you target me tonight
especially
if you are inventor. Please do not comment further on the accuracy of my speculation. But please reveal if you do wish to target as we approach deadline (is approach an okay word grammar Nazis).


VOTE: Egix96
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Post Post #817 (isolation #91) » Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:08 am

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In post 814, Sujimichi wrote:Would you explain why you think that Egix96 is a better vote than momo?
I am beginning to like momo a little bit. I find their vote on me to be trying to scumhunt, at least.
I don't see that from Egix really.

I would like momo to answer your question about my votes. I would like to see how he came to the conclusion that he came to.

Pisskop, Egix, momo are probably all fine votes.
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Post Post #831 (isolation #92) » Fri Apr 10, 2020 2:27 am

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Churros, what is it about today that makes you think Egix is town?
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Post Post #832 (isolation #93) » Fri Apr 10, 2020 2:32 am

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In post 823, EspressoPatronum wrote:@gobble why do you now think I am town?
I think your scumhunting today is more in line with what I’m used to seeing from you.
Do you agree with Momo’s wagon analysis on me? I think it makes little sense since one of the vote counts is me basically starting a wagon, going to another wagon I called scum early in the day, and then having to deadline lynch RS. I think it is really stretching the truth to fit a narrative. What do you think of Titus?

Egix, why would I be as familiar with your play as EP? Or even Sujimichi? I think we only really played that newbie together and I was lynched day 1. We didn’t get much interaction in Wake’s game.

Where you in Skyrim? I cannot for the life of me remember who was in that game other than Sujimichi and Alimidia.

I think your analysis about the nightkill stuff with Sujimichi is most likely correct. Plus, I am liking more of Sujimichi’s content. What do you think of Titus?
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Post Post #837 (isolation #94) » Fri Apr 10, 2020 3:55 pm

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I had forgotten that game started with that type of vote too.
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Post Post #838 (isolation #95) » Fri Apr 10, 2020 3:57 pm

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I will say that if anyone targeted me last night they also targeted Egix. ;)
My role is not role duplicater. I am actually a beam splitter. I crumbed it in my first post with the Pink Floyd music video.
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Post Post #839 (isolation #96) » Fri Apr 10, 2020 3:57 pm

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I claimed the role duplicater so people would have a reason to target me.
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Post Post #841 (isolation #97) » Fri Apr 10, 2020 4:07 pm

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Yes. :P

I am not sure anyone targeted me though :lol:
But I split the beam in case they did onto Egix.
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Post Post #842 (isolation #98) » Fri Apr 10, 2020 4:09 pm

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I also crumbed I would be targeting Egix with my last few posts on Day 1.
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Post Post #854 (isolation #99) » Sat Apr 11, 2020 8:28 am

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In post 848, EspressoPatronum wrote:
In post 847, Titus wrote:VOTE: pisskop

Is anyone TRing him at all? He's coasting, doing nothing which is exactly what his prior slot did.
I'm not TRing him, but I recall pisskop's scum game being more active. He was quite involved as scum in Mainstream Mafia II. I don't think I've played any other games with him though.

I'm more inclined to vote Egix today. I will consider going with you on pisskop tomorrow if I'm wrong on Egix.
pisskop was lurky the last two times I played with him as scum. Generally he is active though.
Why are you more comfortable with Egix despite the fact that I am on him and also was your biggest suspect coming into today?
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Post Post #861 (isolation #100) » Sat Apr 11, 2020 1:00 pm

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In post 859, EspressoPatronum wrote:
In post 858, Titus wrote:EP, why are you voting on a wagon you completely scumread everyone on?
Gobble is my only SR on it. Alimdia is one of my top town + Chronos used to be up there, too. Chronos is more null town now + is subject to change based on her future participation (or lacktherof).

To answer @Gobble's question, too... if I'm right about Egix + gobble, I know that gobble has no problem bussing a scum buddy. He did it to nsg in TM20 despite it being a white flag game.
Ok. I think that EP is solidly town now.
To clarify why I did what I did to NSG in that game... it was because NSG played right into her scum meta. In order to have any chance to survive that game I had to bus her, especially with how awfully Day 1 was going for the team as a whole. If that had been anyone else, or at least someone with a non-obvious scum meta, I would not have bussed there.

These are the games where pisskop was scum, EP.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=81849
https://forfm.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=81628
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Post Post #866 (isolation #101) » Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:49 am

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Momo, do you think I do what I did with regards to my claim, as scum?
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Post Post #875 (isolation #102) » Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:01 pm

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VOTE: Momo
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Post Post #885 (isolation #103) » Tue Apr 14, 2020 12:50 pm

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Not going to lie, I think Momo flipping scum exonerates me as scum so I want to flip them.
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Post Post #887 (isolation #104) » Tue Apr 14, 2020 12:53 pm

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Like I think both are scum but this scum flip is better for me :P
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Post Post #888 (isolation #105) » Tue Apr 14, 2020 12:53 pm

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I’ve said pk is scum and a good vote since day start lol. You need to convince the others titus
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Post Post #890 (isolation #106) » Tue Apr 14, 2020 12:57 pm

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Fine
VOTE: Pisskop

The slot has done literally nothing all game. It gets purge
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Post Post #893 (isolation #107) » Tue Apr 14, 2020 1:59 pm

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Who did you replace?
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Post Post #895 (isolation #108) » Tue Apr 14, 2020 2:03 pm

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Let’s murderate pk
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Post Post #897 (isolation #109) » Tue Apr 14, 2020 2:04 pm

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It gives us good info on Titus who is generally hard to read
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Post Post #899 (isolation #110) » Tue Apr 14, 2020 2:12 pm

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I find her hard to read generally
I think EP is town. I think that Churros is town

Jury out on the rest. I was townreading your predecessor
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Post Post #902 (isolation #111) » Tue Apr 14, 2020 3:01 pm

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Pk = pisskop
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Post Post #903 (isolation #112) » Tue Apr 14, 2020 3:39 pm

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Oh also Bingle if people target me I can split it to also target another person
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Post Post #905 (isolation #113) » Tue Apr 14, 2020 4:32 pm

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I mean if anyone targeted me they would have results on me and Egix (I targeted Egix last night), so it could be proven. I doubt people claim though.
I crumbed it my first post in the game with the Pink Floyd music video.
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Post Post #908 (isolation #114) » Wed Apr 15, 2020 2:37 am

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In post 907, Bingle wrote:Why the jump off of momo wagon with 4 votes onto a pk wagon with 1, gobbles? If you're sold both are scum, why not push through the wagon you have almost pushed through instead of going for a weaker option?
Following Titus and in a vacuum I think pk more likely to flip scum because I read Adorable’s replace out as town indicative.
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Post Post #921 (isolation #115) » Wed Apr 15, 2020 11:26 am

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That was not done
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Post Post #957 (isolation #116) » Thu Apr 16, 2020 4:09 pm

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Three scum in
Egix
Titus
Pisskop
Bingle
Eyestott
Momo
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Post Post #973 (isolation #117) » Fri Apr 17, 2020 1:39 am

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What is Eve doing
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Post Post #975 (isolation #118) » Fri Apr 17, 2020 2:01 am

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But your neighborhood. It isn’t a a masrony?
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Post Post #979 (isolation #119) » Fri Apr 17, 2020 2:27 am

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In post 976, eyestott wrote:Gobble, Eve, is this a policy lynch on the grounds of inactivity?
I mean not really. Two separate players have done nothing in that slot.
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Post Post #1034 (isolation #120) » Sun Apr 19, 2020 3:02 pm

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In post 1031, Churros wrote:The Egix chilled thing was me by the way. I thought he could be a designated mislynch today and did that.
I'm confused why you did this if you think Egix is a mislynch? His alignment is not proven to us. Is it proven to you?

We need a mass claim.
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Post Post #1071 (isolation #121) » Mon Apr 20, 2020 2:44 am

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How are we in MyLo? 13 players with 6 dead townies is still 3v4 lylo tomorrow as long as Churros doesn't use the treestump power.
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Post Post #1074 (isolation #122) » Mon Apr 20, 2020 2:54 am

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We are mass claiming today.
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Post Post #1078 (isolation #123) » Mon Apr 20, 2020 3:05 am

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Yeah I would lynch pisskop probably without a massclaim, but I think massclaim is necessary
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Post Post #1082 (isolation #124) » Mon Apr 20, 2020 3:23 am

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In post 1080, pisskop wrote:No the other mason exists to trump card when it comes.
In post 1077, Titus wrote:
In post 1076, pisskop wrote:Im starting to think youre scum angling at me titus
Ok. Think what you want.

If you're innocent, the joat never comes forward, thus no conftown. So how is this an angle?
Its not enough that a joat claims, or claims to have sent it. They need to fully claim, and explain why they didnt out yesterday, and wasted their mailman ability.

I dont think youre scum for just today, titus. I think youve been playing the ol' pisskop tunnel, and now it might be omgus but Im thinking its to screen your own play.
What would you have liked the mailman to do?
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Post Post #1085 (isolation #125) » Mon Apr 20, 2020 3:28 am

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Churros, you need to confirm how your ability works in connection with NAR

pedit: send it to eyestott because eyestott would be alive
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Post Post #1089 (isolation #126) » Mon Apr 20, 2020 3:29 am

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It is like so incredibly obvious who the mailer is and this is exactly the type of play they do lol
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Post Post #1092 (isolation #127) » Mon Apr 20, 2020 3:31 am

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Titus, i'm not voting anyone until mailman claims. Churros checks with mod. And we have more people weigh in.

pedit:
I'm not going to reveal that
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Post Post #1110 (isolation #128) » Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:08 am

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VOTE: Pisskop
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Post Post #1144 (isolation #129) » Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:04 am

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I just find it extremely odd the mailman didn’t target me because it would duplicate their mail, if they were afraid of dying or wanted someone to actually get the mail.

This game is really weird, but I am going to trust the guilty.
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Post Post #1147 (isolation #130) » Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:12 am

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Oh I fully know someone is lying here. I just don’t know who. With your flip, it could help me sort other people.
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Post Post #1148 (isolation #131) » Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:13 am

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Like the fact that 0 people have used my ability to help solve this game is both mind blowing and super annoying.
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Post Post #1150 (isolation #132) » Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:14 am

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In post 1149, pisskop wrote:Jesus gobbles, im not scum for being apathetic.
I don’t think you’re scum but also your night action last night doesn’t make sense from town!you.
I can’t ignore the guilty even if I think it’s trash.
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Post Post #1153 (isolation #133) » Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:18 am

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What do you mean rigged?
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Post Post #1154 (isolation #134) » Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:18 am

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Ok. We lynch eyestott then you tomorrow, if he’s town?
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Post Post #1155 (isolation #135) » Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:18 am

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Churros if the flip today is town you can’t use your ability
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Post Post #1163 (isolation #136) » Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:34 am

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In post 1160, alimdia wrote:
In post 1154, gobbledygook wrote:Ok. We lynch eyestott then you tomorrow, if he’s town?
How does eyestott's flip prove anything about pisskop?
I don’t think he’s been particularly townie, and it could be a way for scum to get to the end quicker. The fact that you are a mailman makes me think there is not a scum mailman and that eyestott made all of this up.

VOTE: Eyestott
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Post Post #1164 (isolation #137) » Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:36 am

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If Alimidia is scum, he has to be scum with Eve or else he doesn’t claim to send Eve stuff.
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Post Post #1174 (isolation #138) » Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:46 am

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I could see scum mailman using this as a way to frame eyestott and get their final two mislynches
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Post Post #1175 (isolation #139) » Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:47 am

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Which leaves Eve, Titus, Espresso as possible mailman and one of which is the mason. This helps us at least not lose in LyLo.
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Post Post #1176 (isolation #140) » Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:48 am

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I guess theoretically Egix could also be the mailman. Lame.
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Post Post #1190 (isolation #141) » Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:35 am

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I do not understand eyestott.
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Post Post #1192 (isolation #142) » Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:51 am

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Please quote it if you can.
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Post Post #1209 (isolation #143) » Tue Apr 21, 2020 9:06 am

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In post 1207, EspressoPatronum wrote:Even if eyestott is town and knows the flavour of each role, we can use that information to confirm via the flavour reveals.

Hypo example:
Eyestott says the VT flavour is "look at all those chickens'
Titus claims VT
Titus' flavour matches her claim, confirming her role

All that depends on the
roles
and not the
people
being flavoured, of course.
Where did Eyestott say the VT flavor mentions chickens?
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Post Post #1215 (isolation #144) » Tue Apr 21, 2020 9:21 am

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I think its Pk, Alim, Egix?

pedit:

EP, you theory is fine and all, but eyestott literally gave mastina a flavor that has mastina's name in it, which I think debunks your theory
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Post Post #1216 (isolation #145) » Tue Apr 21, 2020 9:23 am

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I think I can mostly massclaim for everyone except for Egix and EP
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Post Post #1217 (isolation #146) » Tue Apr 21, 2020 9:24 am

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VOTE: Pisskop

If this is town, eyestott was definitely setup. But the more I think about this game, I am thinking the guilty is real and its Alim + Egix
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Post Post #1221 (isolation #147) » Tue Apr 21, 2020 9:33 am

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In post 1217, gobbledygook wrote:VOTE: Pisskop

If this is town, eyestott was definitely setup. But the more I think about this game, I am thinking the guilty is real and its Alim + Egix
Oh, if Pisskop is town, then the group is Titus/Egix/Alim.

EP, what is your read on Eyestott? I am really hedging my group on the fact that his play is too scummy to be scum and that he would have played his role differently, but I am curious to see your read.

pedit:

Why does that matter? No seems to have targeted me so my target is irrelevant.
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Post Post #1223 (isolation #148) » Tue Apr 21, 2020 9:38 am

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My target is technically confirmable, even if it may not seem like that. If I am right, I think one of Egix/EP targeted me.
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Post Post #1225 (isolation #149) » Tue Apr 21, 2020 9:45 am

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I want the role flavor revealed targeted me
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Post Post #1226 (isolation #150) » Tue Apr 21, 2020 9:47 am

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*I want to know why the flavor revealer targeted me
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Post Post #1228 (isolation #151) » Tue Apr 21, 2020 9:55 am

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I like playing hard to get ;)
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Post Post #1230 (isolation #152) » Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:10 pm

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Game is hard. I would vote to kill Egix today but that’s been taken care of
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Post Post #1237 (isolation #153) » Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:46 pm

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In post 1234, pisskop wrote:If stott is town?

Churros/[ali], [gobbles]/eve
This is a terrible solve omg
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Post Post #1239 (isolation #154) » Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:47 pm

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why do you think churros is scum? With an ability like the treestumping? That essentially turns Lylo a day earlier. That’s so op.
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Post Post #1240 (isolation #155) » Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:47 pm

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In post 1235, pisskop wrote:If stott is scum I think id lynch titus next.
In post 1236, pisskop wrote:Im not convinced egix is scum
Why to both of these
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Post Post #1244 (isolation #156) » Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:51 pm

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In post 1241, pisskop wrote:I mean, treestump is not a town ability.

And I dont TR them.
Pisskop
Please tell me. How with the flipped town power and your own supposed power that scum would have an ability to remove a vote and a power from the game for a phase and thus accelerate LyLo. Like that is so so bad design if true
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Post Post #1245 (isolation #157) » Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:52 pm

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In post 1243, Eve wrote:it's you isn't it gobbles

maybe WITH pisskop
No it isn’t, I wish it was though because I think scum is about to win. I feel like this town has like no power and was plagued by lurkers
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Post Post #1247 (isolation #158) » Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:53 pm

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In post 1246, pisskop wrote:Is it any worse than a scum vig? Ive totes seen scum viggies, especially in theme games.
It’s not worse than scum vig but that’s also an objectively terrible role too. I don’t see how that point is supposed to matter for *this* game when TL hasn’t made a scum vig game
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Post Post #1250 (isolation #159) » Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:58 pm

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I mean I have a pretty good indication of who the mason is. I think I also know who the JoAT is, and who the flavor revealer is, but I’m not putting that info. If my hunches are correct then I think my earlier PoE is pretty good. Like I said, if you’re town I don’t think eyestott is scum. I see literally no reason eyestott as scum does what he did
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Post Post #1253 (isolation #160) » Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:00 pm

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In post 1251, pisskop wrote:Unless scum has a treestumper?
Fair point. I am willing to hope TL isn’t a bad designer and say it’s a town role
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Post Post #1255 (isolation #161) » Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:09 pm

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He wiggles like a worm. I can’t tell if it’s legitimate scum or just a personality trait

Like reading his iso, I see scum, but like... I don’t think it would be sooo blatant.
I do think that the role flavorer and the flavor revealer are probably opposite alignments tho
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Post Post #1264 (isolation #162) » Wed Apr 22, 2020 1:13 am

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In post 1257, alimdia wrote:Hang on a second.
SO you're saying if pk is scum, then I'm scum.
Then you say if pk is town, then I'm still scum.
So why aren't you voting me instead if I'm scum in both situations. Not to mention this doesn't even make sense. I claimed mailman as part of my ability and I sent mail to Eve last night, who confirmed it.
You don’t have a claimed guilty on you.
Why does your mailman ability make you town? My pool isn’t based off who the mailman is. This makes me think you know PK is gonna flip town.
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Post Post #1265 (isolation #163) » Wed Apr 22, 2020 3:37 am

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Pk would you want to wagon Titus?
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Post Post #1273 (isolation #164) » Wed Apr 22, 2020 7:28 am

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My flavor is already revealed
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Post Post #1274 (isolation #165) » Wed Apr 22, 2020 7:28 am

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As is titus
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Post Post #1279 (isolation #166) » Wed Apr 22, 2020 12:04 pm

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Alrighty. I’m just going to do this because this game is stalling.
Egix is the JoAT. Eve is the mason. Flavor revealer has to be EP.
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Post Post #1282 (isolation #167) » Wed Apr 22, 2020 1:26 pm

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Condolences
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Post Post #1284 (isolation #168) » Wed Apr 22, 2020 2:26 pm

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Lmao. Eve making the case to be top1 2019 most fun player
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Post Post #1287 (isolation #169) » Wed Apr 22, 2020 3:27 pm

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EP, I targeted Titus last night.

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Confirming EP as flavor revealer gives me pause because I really don’t know if both the flavourer and the revealer would be the same alignment and I’m townreading both.
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Post Post #1291 (isolation #170) » Wed Apr 22, 2020 3:36 pm

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This game feels like one of those vanillaless games that while true to the definition of being vanillaless doesn’t actually have that much power in it. :lol:

Titus voting EP here makes like no sense in my mind given her insistence that Pisskop’s slot has been scum -all- game and also has a claimed guilty on it.
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Post Post #1294 (isolation #171) » Wed Apr 22, 2020 5:15 pm

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In post 1292, EspressoPatronum wrote:
In post 1291, gobbledygook wrote:This game feels like one of those vanillaless games that while true to the definition of being vanillaless doesn’t actually have that much power in it. :lol:
I think you're right but hope you're not.
Titus voting EP here makes like no sense in my mind given her insistence that Pisskop’s slot has been scum -all- game and also has a claimed guilty on it.
I agree and I think it's annoying, but I don't think it's scummy.


Btw, why did you target Titus last night?
I figured if anyone was targeting me with a role that gave information they should also be targeting Titus who I think is substantially more difficult to read than me and where they should have been targeting in the first place.
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Post Post #1312 (isolation #172) » Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:49 am

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In post 1302, alimdia wrote:It's amazing that you deduced that Egix is the 'JOAT' but he's not confirming it even though HE LITERALLY CANNOT BE LYNCHED TODAY.

holy shit
If he is the JoAT obviously he doesn’t want to be nightkilled or roleblocked.
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Post Post #1314 (isolation #173) » Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:52 am

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If he is confirming that Pisskop was investigated and a message was sent to eyestott that’s pretty much confirming what Eyestott claimed is happening.
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Post Post #1317 (isolation #174) » Thu Apr 23, 2020 1:27 am

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In post 1315, Eve wrote:so we just lynch pisskop then easy peasy right
I think so
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Post Post #1324 (isolation #175) » Thu Apr 23, 2020 3:14 am

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I mean Egix is confirming those actions happened to those players so
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Post Post #1347 (isolation #176) » Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:11 am

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I think if pisskop was town he would have been hammered by now.
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Post Post #1349 (isolation #177) » Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:17 am

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Also possible. Could be that one scum doesn't have a vote right now. *cough* Egix *cough* :shifty:
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Post Post #1351 (isolation #178) » Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:39 am

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Maybe!
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Post Post #1354 (isolation #179) » Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:43 am

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Titus there’s a guilty on your highest scum priority pick and you don’t want to vote it?
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Post Post #1388 (isolation #180) » Fri Apr 24, 2020 2:17 am

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The votes on EP make literally no sense given the current situation.
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Post Post #1390 (isolation #181) » Fri Apr 24, 2020 2:23 am

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Well, these people are voting EP in light of thinking the guilty on PK is fake. Why would those people not be voting for eyestott, the claimer of the guilty they think is fake, or vote for someone who could have the mailman ability now that it’s been revealed EP’s night action is not to send mail?

How does that turn into an EP vote?
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Post Post #1395 (isolation #182) » Fri Apr 24, 2020 2:30 pm

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this game makes my head hurt
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Post Post #1404 (isolation #183) » Sat Apr 25, 2020 2:34 am

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In post 1401, EspressoPatronum wrote:Hey gobble, do you wanna do some of your activity charts in the downtime?
I actually don’t because I’m in finals right now. :(
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Post Post #1409 (isolation #184) » Sat Apr 25, 2020 10:34 am

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In post 1407, Eve wrote:if pisskop flips scum though it plummets gobbles by 5 positions
D:
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Post Post #1410 (isolation #185) » Sun Apr 26, 2020 5:47 am

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Tumble weed
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Post Post #1413 (isolation #186) » Sun Apr 26, 2020 5:57 am

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I don’t get why you’re voting EP, pk
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Post Post #1418 (isolation #187) » Sun Apr 26, 2020 6:26 am

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Only one player can have possibly sent that mail, based off all the claims
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Post Post #1420 (isolation #188) » Sun Apr 26, 2020 6:30 am

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No, Titus.
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Post Post #1423 (isolation #189) » Sun Apr 26, 2020 7:14 am

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The issue is that Egix has confirmed you were targeted on N1, and no one is claiming to have targeted you on N1. Unless it was Momo which seems unlikely, but that would also confirm Egix as town if true.
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Post Post #1425 (isolation #190) » Sun Apr 26, 2020 7:52 am

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VOTE: EP
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Post Post #1431 (isolation #191) » Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:42 am

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Actually I think I just want to kill this

VOTE: Eyestott
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Post Post #1432 (isolation #192) » Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:43 am

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EP it was a meme vote I never would have let them kill you lol. You’re obvtown
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Post Post #1434 (isolation #193) » Sun Apr 26, 2020 11:45 am

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Skulls for the skull throne
VOTE: Pisskop
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Post Post #1437 (isolation #194) » Sun Apr 26, 2020 12:33 pm

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He’s L-1 and no I’m town
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Post Post #1443 (isolation #195) » Sun Apr 26, 2020 3:40 pm

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Like if scum really want pk alive as town it’s so weird to me
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Post Post #1445 (isolation #196) » Sun Apr 26, 2020 3:47 pm

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He said pisskop was targeted
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Post Post #1473 (isolation #197) » Mon Apr 27, 2020 1:39 am

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In post 1472, Churros wrote:In fact it weirds me out as well that there's considerable amount of people hedging on him scum but no vote yet at all.

VOTE: gobbles

I can do either pisskop or eyesott as well. I think they are a bit self resolving either today or tomorrow in the massclaim.
Because the people who are calling me scum are people intimately familiar with my meta so they know deep down this isn’t my scum meta.

Eve is still the mason, don’t mind her shenanigans.
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Post Post #1474 (isolation #198) » Mon Apr 27, 2020 1:44 am

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Like can we please kill Pisskop or Titus. They are voting in tandem with one another and going for anyone at this point. Pisskop first.
Eyestott, can you please paraphrase as much of the message as you got?
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Post Post #1476 (isolation #199) » Mon Apr 27, 2020 1:52 am

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I hope I die tonight because this is an unreadable slog
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