mini 2140: partition (this is over)
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That's exactly what they should do though.In post 74, Raya36 wrote:I highly doubt scum placed all 3 members in group 1
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They probably stuffed group 1 with 2-3 scum.In post 86, dsjstr wrote:I was also thinking of voting for group 3 tbh
Group 1 is too risky and if there is 1 member in group 2 then even without reads it would be a 50/50 we get them the next day.
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I think they are betting on town self preservation and not lynching themselves so they stack the biggest group with scum.
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I think they are more incentivized to gamble it all in one group.In post 126, Morning Tweet wrote:Hard disagree on cutting out group 1
I think scum stacked the setup in a way where we cant win a whole lot no matter which group we pick. Most likely 2/0/1 or 2/1/0
Theres not a lot of incentive to pick 3/0/0 over 2/0/1. other than WIFOM
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Yeah 1v4 is manageable. Either way there's 2 scum in group 1 at minimum.In post 129, Morning Tweet wrote:They could, yeah, but i dont think that's the most likely option. Placing just 2 in group one minimizes the risk and gives them almost the same level of safety
Instead of losing if group one goes down, they get a MYLO. And if theres a lynch outside group one, they lose 0 or 1 scum for 2-3 townies
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1 in group 2 is crazy, there would be confscum from PoVIn post 137, Adorable wrote:I checked the other partition game from 2011 to see how it played out. Scum were spread out one was in group 1, one was in group 2, and another was in group 3. On the vote count there was a message on day 1 saying groups have changed and vote count got reset. A scum player got switched to another group and the group that got lynched on day 1 were all town. I wonder if the same thing is going to happen here. Lynching in group 1 does look risky if they are all town plus add the group change on day 1 if that happens. My guess is one scum will be in group 1, one in group 2, and another in group 3.
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In post 155, Ame wrote:Clidd and Albert for scum
I'd like to see you try.In post 156, Ame wrote:We lynch there today
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In post 170, Hoctac wrote:Something about scum!Albert's plan being "enter hard pushing group 1 in hopes of lynching it" doesn't sit right about me. It feels full of agenda and scummy, so I'm leaning town on him.
I make a hard decision between being lazy or winning when I start a game. Finally I found a game where I can choose both!
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1/1/1 is a long hard road to victory for the scum, they automatically lose 1 player no matter what the town does.In post 173, Morning Tweet wrote:So conversely, if you're scum, you'd pick the 1/1/1 since that also lets you be lazy and win
If I were scum I would put all in 1 group.
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Madness. You are scum.In post 292, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:Lynching group 1 would instantly win scum the game
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You're not reading what I'm writing!In post 344, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:You can’t instantly lose as town if all 3 scum are in group 1, no matter which group you lynch
SCUM INSTANTLY LOSES IF WE LYNCH GROUP 1
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Who fucking cares?In post 347, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:Who’s scum in group 1?
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Somebody gets it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!In post 350, Adorable wrote:I'm always a null read or I would be a scum lean since I'm not an active member. I get the feeling scum looked up my completed games and they put me on Group 1 and plan on lynching Group 2 or Group 3 on day 1 and on day 2 they would put me in a group that would get lynched. I also think whoever are scum in this game are trying way too hard to look towny and it is Group 1 who is getting town read alot.
This post looks like shade throwing and you didn't elaborate on why you didn't like my entrance and this is the kind of post I normally scum read when I don't see a player elaborate.In post 142, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:I don't like Adorable's entrance either
I think 2 scum are in Group 1 and that's why I'm voting there.
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No I don't care. The odds of being correct is lower than the odds of falsely accusing someone who will think I'm scum because I guessed wrong.In post 353, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:I admit it’s likely there’s 2-3 scum in group 1 but wouldn’t you want to confirm your theory with reads on players in group 1?
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Yes, this is correct. Does everyone agree with these possible compositions?In post 362, Raya36 wrote:I think group 2 is all town based on my reads and the partitions are 2-0-1, 1-0-2, or 3-0-0.
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Except that 1-0-2 is FAR TOO RISKY. If we lynch group 2 they lose 2 scum and it's up to 1 scum to fight the whole town with no kills after N1?In post 369, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Yes, this is correct. Does everyone agree with these possible compositions?In post 362, Raya36 wrote:I think group 2 is all town based on my reads and the partitions are 2-0-1, 1-0-2, or 3-0-0.
Seems improbable. It's 3-0-0 or 2-0-1.
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Yes. Exactly.In post 372, Raya36 wrote:I assume you meant to say if we lynch group 3?In post 371, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Except that 1-0-2 is FAR TOO RISKY. If we lynch group 2 they lose 2 scum and it's up to 1 scum to fight the whole town with no kills after N1?In post 369, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Yes, this is correct. Does everyone agree with these possible compositions?In post 362, Raya36 wrote:I think group 2 is all town based on my reads and the partitions are 2-0-1, 1-0-2, or 3-0-0.
Seems improbable. It's 3-0-0 or 2-0-1.
That logic applies to all the possibilities I mentioned. I think 2-0-1 is the least risky for scum but what you said certainly applies to 3-0-0 since the risk isn't even that they only have 1 scum left, they just lose.
Its 2 0 1 or 3 0 0.
Group 3 is the most easy to lynch.
Group 2 is the safest option to continue the game with no clear winner.
Group 1 is where all the scum are hiding.
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We can easily outWIFOM the scum here. EASY. They are so stupid.In post 384, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:this logic can go on forever because of WIFOMIn post 383, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Makes no sense to put 1 scum in a 2 player group.
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In post 344, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:The context for what I said was,In post 329, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Madness. You are scum.In post 292, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:Lynching group 1 would instantly win scum the game
“If scum put 1 scum into each group, then lynching group 1 would be an instant win for scum.”
Why is this a scummy thing to say?
You can’t instantly lose as town if all 3 scum are in group 1, no matter which group you lynchIn post 330, Albert B. Rampage wrote:all 3 scum are in group 1 and will fight tooth and nail to avoid instantly losing.
Conversely you can instantly lose as town if you lynch group 1 and the partitions are 1-1-1
In post 346, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:I misread that mb
In post 347, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:Who’s scum in group 1?
These posts are scummy. I might be right I might be wrong but I can easily guess what the scum did here.In post 353, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:I admit it’s likely there’s 2-3 scum in group 1 but wouldn’t you want to confirm your theory with reads on players in group 1?
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GO AHEAD I DONT CAREIn post 391, Mohab500 wrote:Quick read, the way Albert is playing it seems he's banking on lynching Group 1 then not even having a day 2, so I am in favour of a group 2 lynch for the moment (for real now).
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Vote for group 2 and I will see you in 2 months when you finish this game.
I gave you a shortcut to winning and being lazy.
Scum got exceptionally lazy and didn't understand how to play this game strategically. We can win this so easy town just needs to ignore scum naysayers.
I WILL REPEAT MYSELF.
SCUM THOUGHT YOU WOULDNT SELF VOTE. THEY THOUGHT GROUP 3 WAS EASY FODDER.
WRONG.
I gave you a shortcut to winning and being lazy.
Scum got exceptionally lazy and didn't understand how to play this game strategically. We can win this so easy town just needs to ignore scum naysayers.
I WILL REPEAT MYSELF.
SCUM THOUGHT YOU WOULDNT SELF VOTE. THEY THOUGHT GROUP 3 WAS EASY FODDER.
WRONG.
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It comes off as fake as fuck and if its 2-0-1 YOU ARE THE 1.In post 394, Mohab500 wrote:Someone called this fake recently: I can confirm I had a similar thought when we began the game, perhaps because the listed mafia partition game had some ambiguous wording which made this seem like the case, so I can't really agree with that claim.In post 16, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:hi friends!
for some reason I thought that mafia had to place at least one of each of themselves in each group. can someone confirm for me whether this is the case?
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Glad you're having fun with me in this game then!In post 407, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:welp I remembered why I don’t enjoy playing with ABR when I’m town
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This literally reads like backtracking scum trying to add 2nd level WIFOM when their logic stopped at level 1 WIFOM and they got completely trapped.In post 386, Mohab500 wrote:This stuff is why I told people to stop stressing so much about partitions earlier. Partitions should be used a secondary method of determining a lynch, not as the main one. Scuminess of a player should always, always take priority over random thoughts about 'what scum would do with partitions!'. Yes, lynching group 1 is incredibly risky, because if there is anything less than 2 scum in there, we instantly lose. So yes, scum probably put three there because they know we think a group 1 lynch is too risky, and they're playing on our paranoia. But hold on, what if they knew that we knew that we'd figure out they'd put all three in group 1 because we consider it too risky? So they split them up to 1-1-1, or 1-0-2. But hold on, we also know that they'd know that we would know that they would know that we would know the risk of lynching group 1. So we don't lynch group 1, but hey, hold on...
And it goes on and you could make the same argument for pretty much every logical partition choice. It makes no sense to keep theorising this much about partitions when there are way too many possibilities and in the end, we only end up misleading ourselves into thinking someone is scum because of how we think the partition is split.
I am going to go ahead and skim the previous pages to get reads on players, I am still fairly lost on what's going on and who's reading who in what fashion. I recommend everyone drop the partition issue for now and we'll deal with it when we actually get some good leads regarding the players themselves. Anyone who keeps trying to predict the partitions isn't trying to scumhunt: they're just pretending to scumhunt.
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It takes a lazy bastard to catch other lazy bastards.In post 418, Mohab500 wrote:Aren't you just now suddenly criticizing this move? What happened?In post 174, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
1/1/1 is a long hard road to victory for the scum, they automatically lose 1 player no matter what the town does.
If I were scum I would put all in 1 group.
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Because I don't want to participate longer than my obligations in a game where players prioritize having a long game over winning.In post 420, Hoctac wrote:Albert could be scum for this post tbh.In post 408, Albert B. Rampage wrote:GROUP 3 IS LYNCHBAIT DO NOT VOTE GROUP 3
VOTE GROUP 1 OR 2
1 IF YOU LIKE TO WIN FAST
2 IF YOU LIKE LONG GAMES WITH LOW INFO
THERE ARE YOUR CHOICES
Like, whynevervote Group 3 because "lynchbait", but Group 2 is fine, especially when he should know he's town?
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There's only 3 scum in this setup, what are you talking about?In post 432, Morning Tweet wrote:To vote group one id need like, four scumreads in there. and that is not happening
This game is easily solved by math why the fuck are people trying to overcomplicate it?
This is my plan to win. Obviously all the scum are going to complain and some town want to play instead of be eliminated early. This is the way the scum decided to partition, what do you want me to tell you? There's an easy and fast way to win because scum made it this way so they can throw group 1 and 2 under the bus using sophistry.In post 415, Albert B. Rampage wrote:we lynch group 1 we get 2 scum guaranteed maybe 3.
Game becomes 1 scum v 4 town
Scum kill
1 v 3 town
2 lynches to catch 1 scum. Easy odds for town to win.
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You are exactly right and that is why you are my favorite!In post 438, Morning Tweet wrote:if we think this gives town best chance of winning, then id vote group one cause i feel pretty strongly theres 2 scum in it. Technically we're risking the game on there being 2+ but we may as well live a little
We should take a calculated risk rather than argue and create drama.
Scumhunting day 1 is fake as fuck.
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You are both correct.In post 441, Hoctac wrote:Exactly. Our EV 100% goes up if we lynch Group 1 and there's exactly 2 scum in here.In post 438, Morning Tweet wrote:If 2 scum in group one -> 4 person MYLO is a good result, then we should probably choose group one
5 players -> nightkill -> 4 players 2|1|1
You have to pick one of the 1 groups. Or you can pick the 2, depending on WIFOM
3 players 1|1|1 LYLO
if we think this gives town best chance of winning, then id vote group one cause i feel pretty strongly theres 2 scum in it. Technically we're risking the game on there being 2+ but we may as well live a little
You agree with me that it's very likely there's 2+. So, time to self-destruct?
Everyone should watch this. Start at 1:12. This game is just math.
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Honestly, if the scum pulled something crazy like 0/1/2 then they should win and I want to forget about this game as quickly as it started.
No way Jose.
Common sense tells us its 2/0/1 or 3/0/0 and math tells us the best lynch is group 1. All the real scumhunting should start after we've thanked group 1 off the stage like a Vegas hypnotist that didn't get the desired reaction from an audience volunteer.
No way Jose.
Common sense tells us its 2/0/1 or 3/0/0 and math tells us the best lynch is group 1. All the real scumhunting should start after we've thanked group 1 off the stage like a Vegas hypnotist that didn't get the desired reaction from an audience volunteer.
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This isn't right. If there's 1 scum left, it will be 2-1-1, town can lynch a group with one person in it, then it will be 1-1-1 and town can lynch again. This is the best odds of winning possible.In post 455, dsjstr wrote:Being in a 1 v 3 might not be as good as it sounds. Who ever the mafia is will kill someone from group 2 because of all the lynchbait in group 3. They will probably divide the 3 into separate groups which will lead us to imploding in on ourselves. Even if the person from group 2 is town how likely is it that the right bait is lynched? We need to stop talking about lynching based on the setup and start solving. No reason to rush this.
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They only have a NK N1. 5 players left in group 2 and 3. 4 left after NK.In post 462, dsjstr wrote:Mafia get a NKIn post 457, Albert B. Rampage wrote:This isn't right. If there's 1 scum left, it will be 2-1-1, town can lynch a group with one person in it, then it will be 1-1-1 and town can lynch again. This is the best odds of winning possible.In post 455, dsjstr wrote:Being in a 1 v 3 might not be as good as it sounds. Who ever the mafia is will kill someone from group 2 because of all the lynchbait in group 3. They will probably divide the 3 into separate groups which will lead us to imploding in on ourselves. Even if the person from group 2 is town how likely is it that the right bait is lynched? We need to stop talking about lynching based on the setup and start solving. No reason to rush this.
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What are you saying here?In post 465, dsjstr wrote:[quote="In post 1Hmm, this will create more WIFOM. It obviously justifies 1-?-? because that would be the only time the mafia could pull it off.maf wrote:welcome to mini 2140! You are ayour faction is responsible for forming a partition each night. i will take whatever the last bolded proposition is, as long as it places every living player (or every player that will be living come morning) in one of the three groups, and no groups are empty. you may ask me randomize the order of the groups and the players within the groups. if i don't get a valid partition i will create one randomly.mafia goon.
on the first night, you may also select someone to be killed.
you win when you control half the vote during a day phase, or when nothing can stop that from happening.
please confirm by proposing a partition for day 1 (or affirming another suggestion)
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Hahahahaha what!!!?In post 470, Raya36 wrote:So you're thinking scum want us to lynch group 1 and Albert is the one in charge of aggressively pushing that? And that's why he's in the smallest group maybe? In case that backfired?In post 468, Morning Tweet wrote:thats exactly what i'd expect scum!albert to do. it's lower effort, and it plays into the WIFOM very nicelyIn post 463, Raya36 wrote:But Albert is acting way too obvious for that??In post 461, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:if there is some weird scum conspiracy to lynch a bunch of town in 1 to win then Albert would be scum obviously
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They would never think to do that.In post 483, Morning Tweet wrote:1/1/1 is smart if you think you can deceive town into getting rid of group #1 using the three voices you have
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Yes, it's a deal. But if you are scum, our contract is cancelled.In post 536, Morning Tweet wrote:Should i try to read more closely into this game, or is that a giant waste of time when i can just vote group one?
OH NOim starting to become albert
Albert you have to marry me if i vote group one and it turns out that it isn't 1/1/1. deal?
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I think it is mohab.In post 607, enomis wrote:who do you think is the 3rd scum if there is only 2 scum in group 1.In post 605, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Trust me, voting group 1 offers our easiest chance to win this and go home.
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I think it depends on the flips, I might completely change my mind after we have more info.In post 610, enomis wrote:I think he is town though. Well, we can leave this to day 2 if we are still alive then and we manage to lynch group 1.In post 609, Albert B. Rampage wrote:I think it is mohab.In post 607, enomis wrote:who do you think is the 3rd scum if there is only 2 scum in group 1.In post 605, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Trust me, voting group 1 offers our easiest chance to win this and go home.
I hope we win straight away though.
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if we want to be extra safe we can lynch group 3, check if enomis is town.
If he's scum, my theory is wrong and scum were too slow to hammer.
If he's town, and the scum in group 3 is someone else, that pretty much confirms all the players in group 1 voting for group 1 as town. We can lynch within hoctac, cat, MT or Raya and win.
If he's scum, my theory is wrong and scum were too slow to hammer.
If he's town, and the scum in group 3 is someone else, that pretty much confirms all the players in group 1 voting for group 1 as town. We can lynch within hoctac, cat, MT or Raya and win.
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Your read from 20 pages of day 1 is shaky at best.In post 629, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:This game makes no sense. Where is the opposition to lynching group 1 from people inside group 1? Like why am I the only person opposing this
If there’s 2+ scum in group 1, then scum would be in {hoc, mt, raya}. My read would be wrong on one of {hoc, mt} which would be surprising since they’re both pretty town.
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Pretty much thisIn post 623, Albert B. Rampage wrote:if we want to be extra safe we can lynch group 3, check if enomis is town.
If he's scum, my theory is wrong and scum were too slow to hammer.
If he's town, and the scum in group 3 is someone else, that pretty much confirms all the players in group 1 voting for group 1 as town. We can lynch within hoctac, cat, MT or Raya and win.
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Okay, let's look at what we know and attempt to find answers to what we don't. Let me begin.
1) We know that mafia checked the previous game with 1/1/1 distribution from Ame's post. They chose to do a 2/1/0 or a 2/0/1 distribution so they had a
Of course, we know my theory:
2) We know the last scum NK'd enomis from group 3. Why? Well first, let's look at scum-Ame's early day 1 posts.
Who do you know that is numbers-oriented? How about clidd?
Here's the theory: If Group 3 was lynchbait, and town didn't go for it, clidd had to kill enomis because he was the only one from group 3 who sheeped me to vote group 1. Lynching group 1 was bad for scum, so clidd hopes to frame the remaining group 3 who were off-wagon to win the game on Day 2.
3) We know scum didn't want to get group 1 lynched, as evidenced by Ame's posts:
When we look at Raya's post, who is playing a more straightforward mafia game, she's trying to set up group 3 for a lynch as well:
A) I wanted to lynch group 1 from the start, which Raya and Ame didn't want.
B) I was on the final lynch of group 1, and clidd is not.
C) I wanted to avoid casting suspicion on clidd, so I could break the game in the final day and win. clidd wanted to avoid casting suspicion on me, so that group 3 gets lynched day 1, and that I would side with him on day 2.
5) We know that clidd heavily buddied me from day 1.
6) We know that clidd was setting up group 3 as the day 2 lynch.
7) Finally, I would say that clidd has been acting like he knows too much.
Now that I've laid out my case, you should feel confident in the fact that I am one of the top scumhunters on this site. I just completed another game where I nailed all of the scum and accurately predicted their strategy on day 2. Rest assured that it's normal for me to see the matrix. I'm not trying to bamboozle you. Even if I were, lynching clidd does not end the game if he's town. Lynching dsjstr or Mohab will.
1) We know that mafia checked the previous game with 1/1/1 distribution from Ame's post. They chose to do a 2/1/0 or a 2/0/1 distribution so they had a
lynchbait option where no scum dies
. The question is, was that group 2 or group 3?Of course, we know my theory:
Spoiler:
2) We know the last scum NK'd enomis from group 3. Why? Well first, let's look at scum-Ame's early day 1 posts.
In post 28, Ame wrote:I looked a bit through the first game. Scum also placed one in each group.I think this opening comes from one of the numbers-oriented players.
Who do you know that is numbers-oriented? How about clidd?
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Here's the theory: If Group 3 was lynchbait, and town didn't go for it, clidd had to kill enomis because he was the only one from group 3 who sheeped me to vote group 1. Lynching group 1 was bad for scum, so clidd hopes to frame the remaining group 3 who were off-wagon to win the game on Day 2.
3) We know scum didn't want to get group 1 lynched, as evidenced by Ame's posts:
So why does Ame change her mind and vote group 1 at the end of the day? Most likely because the final scum said "I got this" and she put her faith in that player's math. Again, who's the numbers guy in the scum team? We know it's not Ame, and we know it's not Raya, so by elimination it has to be the third scum.In post 517, Ame wrote:But I think going the route of minimizing casualties is better for our chances of winning, particularly because we can get more days and scumhunting out of it and will have flips to work off of. Whereas going G1 we are essentially gambling without prior knowledge of who is on the scum team and how they think. Going one of the other groups actually gives us evidence of how they think and we can work from there. Right now we are just random guessing and going in circles.
When we look at Raya's post, who is playing a more straightforward mafia game, she's trying to set up group 3 for a lynch as well:
In post 615, Raya36 wrote:Isn't that kinda a good thing?In post 613, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Group 3 is for in-betweeners afraid of taking risks but still want to hit at least 1 scum maybe.
4) We know that if we mislynch group 3 today, it's instant-lose. So let's compare me and clidd.In post 624, Raya36 wrote:This is a good point. Because of this I'll consider group 1 but first I need to actually find 2 or 3 people on it I actually think are scum and so far I'm mostly only seeing scummy players in group 3.In post 617, Albert B. Rampage wrote:The fact that no one from group 2 or 3 has hammered group 1 pretty much confirms my theory of minimal scum in groups 2-3.
He says it's ignorant to want to lynch group 1 but I'm town. What are the main differences between us?In post 456, clidd wrote:''@Clidd, do you have a read on Albert outside of partition composition?''If you want, I can go into details, but basically it is because of the way he is playing. The aggressiveness he showed in defending the idea that group 1 is strategically feasible to be lynched seems to me an ignorant behavior that I see coming from an interpersonal trait characteristic of his profile, where he is probably frustrated/irritated by the gamestate, which makes sense within the scenario in which Town!Albert demonstrates emotional levels that would not make much sense in the Scum!Albert mentality, where he would be aware that his reasoning is fraudulent. In other words, it is my interpretation of the slot to distinguish that his expressions/reactions are within a natural spectrum of conduct, very different from what I feel about Ame, for example (which is forced).
A) I wanted to lynch group 1 from the start, which Raya and Ame didn't want.
B) I was on the final lynch of group 1, and clidd is not.
C) I wanted to avoid casting suspicion on clidd, so I could break the game in the final day and win. clidd wanted to avoid casting suspicion on me, so that group 3 gets lynched day 1, and that I would side with him on day 2.
5) We know that clidd heavily buddied me from day 1.
In post 675, clidd wrote:surprised
In post 216, clidd wrote:Do you consider Albert to be a verbally strong player ?
In post 670, clidd wrote:You are deliberately trolling or are scum, I am still waiting for the explanation of my push and the sudden change of posture on post 542.
6) We know that clidd was setting up group 3 as the day 2 lynch.
In post 677, clidd wrote:From my pov is: Mohab>Enomis>Dsj to scum out of group 1.
In post 676, clidd wrote:If I am wrong and we won, I will be extremely surprised to have bad reads about group 3.
Especially considering that I expressed a scumread on Mohab yesterday and was scumhunting in group 3 without ever publicly suspecting clidd. Clidd has been mirroring this and suspecting Mohab since day 1 as well. All his actions make sense coming into today with his evaluation of me thus far.In post 212, clidd wrote:I can understand your reasoning, but I believe that you are underestimating group 3. The pressure, in my opinion, would be in the lynch of group 2, considering the attempts to push during the day, and they only eased when I was able to participate more actively in the game, this clearly does not seem normal to me.In post 204, Morning Tweet wrote:If i were setting up these groups, it would seem really obvious to me as scum that Group #3 is going to receive the most lynch pressure.
It's got an extra player over group #2, so in theory, town would think they get higher chances of hitting scum in there. This is subjective, but they didn't put any of the players that i know are good at seeming towny in there (like Cat, Ame, clidd, Kanna). Someone in group 3 admitted they usually get scumread.
And now, indeed, the majority of the game seems to be having suspicions towards group #3. Even all three group #3 members seem to suspect group #3, lmao
i do lean town on Mohab and Enomis as well. Dsjr i dont have an explicit read on yet but i havent found him scummy per se
At this point, im feeling there's 2-3 scum in group one and 0-1 scum outside
I feel like group #2 has a better chance of hitting scum, and if there is no scum outside group #1, it limits our losses a bit as well
7) Finally, I would say that clidd has been acting like he knows too much.
He knows what he's doing. He sees where the game needs to go for him to win. There isn't any doubt or second thoughts in his play.In post 668, clidd wrote:I agree about the game state indicating 2 scums on group 1, but I highly doubt that they are 3 because of the reads that I have on group 3. It would be an insult to my analysis ability to say that group 3 is entirely town, so my solve at the moment is 2-0-1.
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EBWOP about clidd buddying me, the quote didn't work, so here it is:
There you have it, guys. I want to be the one to hammer clidd.In post 675, clidd wrote:I'm not surprised, my reads already pointed out that you were town long before.In post 654, Albert B. Rampage wrote:I am now confirmed town or the only scum in groups 2 and 3 and I just put both my scumbuddies at L-1 twice
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Yeah, exactly. Killing me leaves clidd as the only player from group 2, and group 3 who he has been scumreading all of day 1 can easily OMGUS / gang up on him.In post 736, Mohab500 wrote:Wouldn't that be too obvious/implicit?
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Mohab and dsjstr are obviously fucking town, look at these posts. We know for a fact that there's only 1 scum in groups 2 and 3 combined, and both of these guys are trying to self-lynch lol.In post 86, dsjstr wrote:I was also thinking of voting for group 3 tbh
Group 1 is too risky and if there is 1 member in group 2 then even without reads it would be a 50/50 we get them the next day.
This game is solved.
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Excuse me?In post 740, dsjstr wrote:Looking at the VC the only person who actually voted for group 1 was enomis.
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What performance? What the fuck are you talking about? Make some sense!In post 740, dsjstr wrote:@Albert Now before I continue I want to understand what was the purpose of your performance with Adorable?
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If you mean MorningTweet and not Adorable, since I was death tunneling group 1, people thought I might be the chief conspirator of a 1-1-1 scum partition and trying to win in 1 fell swoop by lynching group 1. MT put group 1 at L-1 for me to hammer so that I could prove I didn't hammer, which would make me instantly win if I were scum with another buddy outside group 1.In post 740, dsjstr wrote:@Albert Now before I continue I want to understand what was the purpose of your performance with Adorable?
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Does this make sense dsjstr?In post 747, Albert B. Rampage wrote:If you mean MorningTweet and not Adorable, since I was death tunneling group 1, people thought I might be the chief conspirator of a 1-1-1 scum partition and trying to win in 1 fell swoop by lynching group 1. MT put group 1 at L-1 for me to hammer so that I could prove I didn't hammer, which would make me instantly win if I were scum with another buddy outside group 1.In post 740, dsjstr wrote:@Albert Now before I continue I want to understand what was the purpose of your performance with Adorable?
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Yeah, being this good at mafia comes at a cost. People don't see that. They just talk about the wins, the glory, the solves. They don't see the hard work behind that, the failures that build the confidence, and the haters that swarm about.
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It's too dangerous to lynch mohab/dsjrt from my perspective. I won't self-vote. My options are extremely limited even if you are telling the truth.
You said I was obvious town before.
So if it's me, mohab, and dsjstr because we mislynch you/me, then what happens next? Who is the last scum and why?
You said I was obvious town before.
So if it's me, mohab, and dsjstr because we mislynch you/me, then what happens next? Who is the last scum and why?
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Scum didn't want to lynch group 1, very clearly. All can see that. I MADE that happen. So yeah I'm a hell of a lot more clear than you. On the offchance you are town, I want to know who you think is scum between dsjstr and mohab. Take all the time need, I'm not voting you.
I will not change my mind and vote dsjstr/mohab today and doom this game if it's you.
If you're town, I'll let my ego take the hit and scumhunt on day 3 to find the winning solve.
I will not change my mind and vote dsjstr/mohab today and doom this game if it's you.
If you're town, I'll let my ego take the hit and scumhunt on day 3 to find the winning solve.
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You put a lot of work calling me town day 1.In post 768, clidd wrote:Why weren't you killed then ?In post 765, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Scum didn't want to lynch group 1, very clearly. All can see that. I MADE that happen. So yeah I'm a hell of a lot more clear than you. On the offchance you are town, I want to know who you think is scum between dsjstr and mohab. Take all the time need, I'm not voting you.
I will not change my mind and vote dsjstr/mohab today and doom this game if it's you.
If you're town, I'll let my ego take the hit and scumhunt on day 3 to find the winning solve.
I was suspecting group 3 day 1, same as you. I never said I suspected you.
I think you use me today to vote mohab/dsjstr and turn them against each other and win.
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It's obvious mohab/dsjstr is town to me, they both wanted to lynch themselves yesterday. Scum would obviously try to go for the option with no scum in it instead of self-voting. It's plain and evident that they are town. That's my conclusion.
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I think you expect me to push group 1 here with you and get them to turn on each other. They were willing to self vote yesterday. We were perfectly aligned day 1. It makes perfect sense.In post 771, clidd wrote:Then I would kill enomis (which I could push), leave you and me isolated in antagonistic slots and put two scumreads together in a group knowing that the logic would be to lynch the isolated slots to decrease the PoE and therefore would have to go 1v1 with you (someone who pushed group 1 from the start/my TR)? No, it doesn't make sense.
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I was a showstopper and fucked up the scum's plan. My meta is that I suck as scum btw.In post 772, dsjstr wrote:Neither of us fully committed to itIn post 770, Albert B. Rampage wrote:It's obvious mohab/dsjstr is town to me, they both wanted to lynch themselves yesterday. Scum would obviously try to go for the option with no scum in it instead of self-voting. It's plain and evident that they are town. That's my conclusion.
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Mohab vote group 3 with me.
We ask the mod to end the day due to being deadlocked 2-2.
Mod will flip a coin to see who gets lynched between me and clidd. That's the rules.
I'm happy to risk my life to lynch lying scum.
We ask the mod to end the day due to being deadlocked 2-2.
Mod will flip a coin to see who gets lynched between me and clidd. That's the rules.
I'm happy to risk my life to lynch lying scum.
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If clid was town his townread of me doesn't dissipate like that.
Clidd just cares about survival. I don't care about survival. I win when all the scum die. I think djstr is a noob to this site that's why he's being so easily exploited by clidd-scum. Town doesn't need him to win.
It's 50-50 between me and clidd, if I get unlucky and die lynch clidd tomorrow and win.
Clidd just cares about survival. I don't care about survival. I win when all the scum die. I think djstr is a noob to this site that's why he's being so easily exploited by clidd-scum. Town doesn't need him to win.
It's 50-50 between me and clidd, if I get unlucky and die lynch clidd tomorrow and win.
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It's game over, mohab votes you it's 2-2 and mod flips a coin to see who dies. Good game all, please consider who played the best in this game and nominate the player for a scummy award at the end of the game. I will read the dead thread comments, I appreciate your feedback!
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I'm 100% convinced dsjstr is town with posts like this.In post 455, dsjstr wrote:Being in a 1 v 3 might not be as good as it sounds. Who ever the mafia is will kill someone from group 2 because of all the lynchbait in group 3. They will probably divide the 3 into separate groups which will lead us to imploding in on ourselves. Even if the person from group 2 is town how likely is it that the right bait is lynched? We need to stop talking about lynching based on the setup and start solving. No reason to rush this.
UNVOTE:
Mohab is also 100% town.
It's game over and town wins no matter if I die or you die today clidd.
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Self-voting is against the spirit of mafia. Mohab, vote for his group and we will go to the mod's coinflip.
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You're not just wrong you are triple wrong. The only scum is clidd. I don't know if this is your rookie game playing mafia but you are far out of your depth here.In post 825, dsjstr wrote:Clidd was scum in both of these games.I don't see this as scum!clidd I would rather lynch you before cliddIn post 813, Mohab500 wrote:Considering you're 100% confident he's scum, I feel like that it shouldn't matter if we lynch you first, then Albert. Right?
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no I'm not here to teach newbes how to scumhunt. You're looking for tips? Read the mafia guides I wrote 10 years ago. How many LYLO situations have you been in since you joined? This is an easy decision. Clidd chose you to be in group 3 and he chose you again to be in group 1, because he smelled weakness in you. He thinks you ain't shit. Clidd doesn't give a single fuck about you and is about to use you to win for his team. You want to go down getting backstabbed by scum, be my guest. You can learn about scumhunting the hard way, through loss and being blindsided.
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I don't care if you like me, I don't care if you improve as a player, and I definitely don't care if you vote with me or not. I'm not here to handhold anyone. My bulletproof case is done, take it or leave it.
In post 729, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Okay, let's look at what we know and attempt to find answers to what we don't. Let me begin.
1) We know that mafia checked the previous game with 1/1/1 distribution from Ame's post. They chose to do a 2/1/0 or a 2/0/1 distribution so they had alynchbait option where no scum dies. The question is, was that group 2 or group 3?
Of course, we know my theory:Spoiler:
2) We know the last scum NK'd enomis from group 3. Why? Well first, let's look at scum-Ame's early day 1 posts.
In post 28, Ame wrote:I looked a bit through the first game. Scum also placed one in each group.I think this opening comes from one of the numbers-oriented players.
Who do you know that is numbers-oriented? How about clidd?
Spoiler:
Here's the theory: If Group 3 was lynchbait, and town didn't go for it, clidd had to kill enomis because he was the only one from group 3 who sheeped me to vote group 1. Lynching group 1 was bad for scum, so clidd hopes to frame the remaining group 3 who were off-wagon to win the game on Day 2.
3) We know scum didn't want to get group 1 lynched, as evidenced by Ame's posts:
So why does Ame change her mind and vote group 1 at the end of the day? Most likely because the final scum said "I got this" and she put her faith in that player's math. Again, who's the numbers guy in the scum team? We know it's not Ame, and we know it's not Raya, so by elimination it has to be the third scum.In post 517, Ame wrote:But I think going the route of minimizing casualties is better for our chances of winning, particularly because we can get more days and scumhunting out of it and will have flips to work off of. Whereas going G1 we are essentially gambling without prior knowledge of who is on the scum team and how they think. Going one of the other groups actually gives us evidence of how they think and we can work from there. Right now we are just random guessing and going in circles.
When we look at Raya's post, who is playing a more straightforward mafia game, she's trying to set up group 3 for a lynch as well:
In post 615, Raya36 wrote:Isn't that kinda a good thing?In post 613, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Group 3 is for in-betweeners afraid of taking risks but still want to hit at least 1 scum maybe.4) We know that if we mislynch group 3 today, it's instant-lose. So let's compare me and clidd.In post 624, Raya36 wrote:This is a good point. Because of this I'll consider group 1 but first I need to actually find 2 or 3 people on it I actually think are scum and so far I'm mostly only seeing scummy players in group 3.In post 617, Albert B. Rampage wrote:The fact that no one from group 2 or 3 has hammered group 1 pretty much confirms my theory of minimal scum in groups 2-3.
He says it's ignorant to want to lynch group 1 but I'm town. What are the main differences between us?In post 456, clidd wrote:''@Clidd, do you have a read on Albert outside of partition composition?''If you want, I can go into details, but basically it is because of the way he is playing. The aggressiveness he showed in defending the idea that group 1 is strategically feasible to be lynched seems to me an ignorant behavior that I see coming from an interpersonal trait characteristic of his profile, where he is probably frustrated/irritated by the gamestate, which makes sense within the scenario in which Town!Albert demonstrates emotional levels that would not make much sense in the Scum!Albert mentality, where he would be aware that his reasoning is fraudulent. In other words, it is my interpretation of the slot to distinguish that his expressions/reactions are within a natural spectrum of conduct, very different from what I feel about Ame, for example (which is forced).
A) I wanted to lynch group 1 from the start, which Raya and Ame didn't want.
B) I was on the final lynch of group 1, and clidd is not.
C) I wanted to avoid casting suspicion on clidd, so I could break the game in the final day and win. clidd wanted to avoid casting suspicion on me, so that group 3 gets lynched day 1, and that I would side with him on day 2.
5) We know that clidd heavily buddied me from day 1.
In post 675, clidd wrote:surprisedIn post 216, clidd wrote:Do you consider Albert to be a verbally strong player ?In post 670, clidd wrote:You are deliberately trolling or are scum, I am still waiting for the explanation of my push and the sudden change of posture on post 542.
6) We know that clidd was setting up group 3 as the day 2 lynch.
In post 677, clidd wrote:From my pov is: Mohab>Enomis>Dsj to scum out of group 1.In post 676, clidd wrote:If I am wrong and we won, I will be extremely surprised to have bad reads about group 3.Especially considering that I expressed a scumread on Mohab yesterday and was scumhunting in group 3 without ever publicly suspecting clidd. Clidd has been mirroring this and suspecting Mohab since day 1 as well. All his actions make sense coming into today with his evaluation of me thus far.In post 212, clidd wrote:I can understand your reasoning, but I believe that you are underestimating group 3. The pressure, in my opinion, would be in the lynch of group 2, considering the attempts to push during the day, and they only eased when I was able to participate more actively in the game, this clearly does not seem normal to me.In post 204, Morning Tweet wrote:If i were setting up these groups, it would seem really obvious to me as scum that Group #3 is going to receive the most lynch pressure.
It's got an extra player over group #2, so in theory, town would think they get higher chances of hitting scum in there. This is subjective, but they didn't put any of the players that i know are good at seeming towny in there (like Cat, Ame, clidd, Kanna). Someone in group 3 admitted they usually get scumread.
And now, indeed, the majority of the game seems to be having suspicions towards group #3. Even all three group #3 members seem to suspect group #3, lmao
i do lean town on Mohab and Enomis as well. Dsjr i dont have an explicit read on yet but i havent found him scummy per se
At this point, im feeling there's 2-3 scum in group one and 0-1 scum outside
I feel like group #2 has a better chance of hitting scum, and if there is no scum outside group #1, it limits our losses a bit as well
7) Finally, I would say that clidd has been acting like he knows too much.
He knows what he's doing. He sees where the game needs to go for him to win. There isn't any doubt or second thoughts in his play.In post 668, clidd wrote:I agree about the game state indicating 2 scums on group 1, but I highly doubt that they are 3 because of the reads that I have on group 3. It would be an insult to my analysis ability to say that group 3 is entirely town, so my solve at the moment is 2-0-1.
Now that I've laid out my case, you should feel confident in the fact that I am one of the top scumhunters on this site. I just completed another game where I nailed all of the scum and accurately predicted their strategy on day 2. Rest assured that it's normal for me to see the matrix. I'm not trying to bamboozle you. Even if I were, lynching clidd does not end the game if he's town. Lynching dsjstr or Mohab will.
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And one more thing: if it's LYLO with clidd flipping town, I'm voting for mohab with you. I will not vote against you because just as sure as you are oblivious right now for your lack of experience, you are also the most obvious town in the game. Congratulations on that part.In post 833, dsjstr wrote:How did clidd get me on his team?
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He sensed you are the weakest player in this game. The easiest one to confuse and tricked. And to be frank, I think he was STILL shocked that you took his side without hesitation. It's the only thing he has going for him because I dropped a bulletproof case that any of the dead players would instantly sheep and win the game for our team. We would be fucking celebrating an amazing win right now if it were anyone but you.In post 833, dsjstr wrote:How did clidd get me on his team?
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We're on the same team whether you realize it now, or after I flip green. We ride together, we win together. Clidd has tricked you from jump when we started day 2 and you voted me of your own free will. Take the evening to reflect on that, I have other shit to do than to babysit.In post 841, dsjstr wrote:So now you want me on your team?In post 839, Albert B. Rampage wrote:And one more thing: if it's LYLO with clidd flipping town, I'm voting for mohab with you. I will not vote against you because just as sure as you are oblivious right now for your lack of experience, you are also the most obvious town in the game. Congratulations on that part.In post 833, dsjstr wrote:How did clidd get me on his team?
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When you're as good as I am at scumhunting, you lose touch with how to tell people what they want to hear in the precise way they want to hear it.
Winning for this long, being right for such a long time, it makes you appear unsympathetic. I'm sorry if I've hurt anyone.
Winning for this long, being right for such a long time, it makes you appear unsympathetic. I'm sorry if I've hurt anyone.
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Seriously though, it's fun to be town and act the way you want, because you know that if you get mislynched, they will backwards rationalize that you were too scummy and had to be eliminated to advance the game anyway. So whether I act like a cartoon villain, your schoolyard bully, or play nice, the result is going to be the same. It doesn't increase my team's chance to win to pay compliments, and be nurturing, and talk logically for 20 pages so one or two players can break my heart and vote against me. I've lost too many times to go through the effort of that again!
Good luck catching clide guys. Rampage out.
Good luck catching clide guys. Rampage out.
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Thanks Mohab!In post 874, Mohab500 wrote:Can we get over this circus already? I know what I am doing. I am voting for clidd, if clidd somehow flips town, I am voting for Albert tomorrow.
VOTE: group 3
clidd, if you're town, I promise to lynch Albert tomorrow.
Mod: Can we have a vote for going to coinflip between me and clidd, since we are deadlocked and cannot go on right now?
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I skimmed through this game:In post 884, dsjstr wrote:Just look at clidds scum games @Mohab if you still think it is him then we will have to do the coinflip
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11657707
If you look at clidd-scum's posts, he looks pretty convincing. He's good at playing scum.
Do you disagree?
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dsjstr you were scum with clidd in that game. You know he's intelligent and convincing as scum. LOL!
Are you joking??
I found clidd with zero meta or previous knowledge about him or knowing if he's good at scum or not. You knew he was good at scum. Everyone in post-game was like "well played clidd".
Hahahaha dude.
Sheep me and let's win this, brother.
Are you joking??
I found clidd with zero meta or previous knowledge about him or knowing if he's good at scum or not. You knew he was good at scum. Everyone in post-game was like "well played clidd".
Hahahaha dude.
Sheep me and let's win this, brother.
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In post 893, dsjstr wrote:You should start at page 1, very different from this game. Or any town game I was in where he was town. The only other game I saw that was like this was his other scum game I posted about.
Do you think he will play the same each time he gets a scum role pm? Knowing that you're there?In post 894, dsjstr wrote:That was two games by the way.
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He's experienced enough to switch around his play and adapt to win. Just trust us on this one, you have nothing to lose, nobody scumreads you, all the power is in your hands today / tomorrow so just help us win today please.
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In post 896, Albert B. Rampage wrote:In post 893, dsjstr wrote:You should start at page 1, very different from this game. Or any town game I was in where he was town. The only other game I saw that was like this was his other scum game I posted about.Do you think he will play the same each time he gets a scum role pm? Knowing that you're there?In post 894, dsjstr wrote:That was two games by the way.
Exactly, he can do what he wants because just like me he wants to win, he doesn't care what playstyle or persona he needs to do it.In post 898, dsjstr wrote:No which is why he changed it for the second game.
Come on man, let's put a mark on the board for town with this lynch and celebrate a nice win in a cool game.
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Correct. Your tricks and lies will not be enough to convince dsjstr you're town. I underestimated him. He can win this game for us today, I'll give him the credit he deserves.In post 902, clidd wrote:I find you very uncomfortable with the coinflip, even though you should know, theoretically, that your flip being town I am certainly lynched tomorrow.In post 892, Albert B. Rampage wrote:dsjstr its your choice if we lynch clidd now or if we go to coinflip in which case mohab has promised to vote for me tomorrow if clidd flips town. It's your decision, trust your gut and let's do this.
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No I'm not keeping it. I can convince you.In post 905, dsjstr wrote:You should keep the coinflipIn post 901, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Mod: I take back the coin flip for now
I think I can convince you to lynch clidd, I feel like you're halfway there. This is an easy decision.
This post from the game you linked sounds like clidd right now.In post 136, clidd wrote:your entire post screams LIARIn post 122, Comical wrote:Darling, it's not a dodge at all. I'm just town, and you're flailing.In post 102, clidd wrote:nice dodge
if you were truly town, you wouldn't have voted for pine with me almost getting lynched just to get towncred once I died
you could also have tried to argue why i was town in your pov, but you didn't. you didn't care if i was going to get lynched or not
besides being a liar you are superficial in your motivations
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Give me 2 weeks to talk to dsjstr, I will convince him to vote clidd with no need for a coinflip. Clidd exploited the doubt dsjstr had in my slot, but the more we talk the more he will see I'm being my authentic town self.
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I'll vote for the coinflip at deadline in June when quarantine is over, but we have a solid 2 weeks to talk and be reasonable with each other. This will give dsjstr the time to look at all my mafia games and do a full meta analysis of why I can't be scum in this game.
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Isn't this post I quoted of him from that game exactly the same kind of scumposting he's defaulting to here?In post 908, Albert B. Rampage wrote:No I'm not keeping it. I can convince you.In post 905, dsjstr wrote:You should keep the coinflipIn post 901, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Mod: I take back the coin flip for now
I think I can convince you to lynch clidd, I feel like you're halfway there. This is an easy decision.
This post from the game you linked sounds like clidd right now.In post 136, clidd wrote:your entire post screams LIARIn post 122, Comical wrote:Darling, it's not a dodge at all. I'm just town, and you're flailing.In post 102, clidd wrote:nice dodge
if you were truly town, you wouldn't have voted for pine with me almost getting lynched just to get towncred once I died
you could also have tried to argue why i was town in your pov, but you didn't. you didn't care if i was going to get lynched or not
besides being a liar you are superficial in your motivations
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At first, I thought you were a noob with blinders on who was going to delay the town victory.In post 924, dsjstr wrote:You seemed fairly enthusiastic about a coinflip. Why are you backing out right before it could potentially and most likely happen.
Now I'm concerned you might cost us the game even if I die because you trust clidd too much, and I'm hopeful you can turn around your wrong assumptions.
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If the coin kills me, clidd has a chance of playing in your head like he's doing now and make us both lose.
We need to talk about Mohab and clidd and evaluate everything from the beginning over the next two weeks. I can't let you lose the game for town without working my ass off to help us all win.
We need to talk about Mohab and clidd and evaluate everything from the beginning over the next two weeks. I can't let you lose the game for town without working my ass off to help us all win.
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If you're scum you just let clidd die and win tomorrow...it's obvious.In post 933, dsjstr wrote:Can you start with how I am 100% town.
Of course you are both town.
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You mean when I quoted you here?In post 803, Albert B. Rampage wrote:I'm 100% convinced dsjstr is town with posts like this.In post 455, dsjstr wrote:Being in a 1 v 3 might not be as good as it sounds. Who ever the mafia is will kill someone from group 2 because of all the lynchbait in group 3. They will probably divide the 3 into separate groups which will lead us to imploding in on ourselves. Even if the person from group 2 is town how likely is it that the right bait is lynched? We need to stop talking about lynching based on the setup and start solving. No reason to rush this.
UNVOTE:
Mohab is also 100% town.
It's game over and town wins no matter if I die or you die today clidd.
This is a post only a townie would make.
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Why do you have no comments about my case?In post 931, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Sure. What would make you second guess your townread on clidd?
Help me understand why you townread him above me and mohab.
What did you think of my case?
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You are correct.In post 946, dsjstr wrote:But I'm still 100% town and you are still the best scum hunter on the site?
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So here's the thing.
You think that I chose a distribution of 2/1/0 leaving an option to lynch group 3 who were all town, but all I did all of day 1 was tunnel on group 1 with my 2 buddies inside.
Then, I had one townie (MorningTweet) who believed so strongly I was town that she put group 1 at L-1 for me to prove I wouldn't hammer.
All of this while doing zero scumhunting. At any point in time I could have been the one everyone voted for.
Now if I thought I could lynch group 1 and get everyone to self-vote, why didn't I just put my scumbuddies in groups 2 and 3 instead of group 1? Why didn't I do 1/1/1? Why not keep MorningTweet or someone that I can persuade in the endgame with me?
Anyways, so then Day 2 comes. Clidd townreads me from day 1. I scumread mohab from day 1. But the optimal scum strategy for me here is to write a very clear case on the one person townreading me? And then after he flips town, I have to convince the guy I was attacking and you to vote for each other?
Does this plan make sense to you as scum?
Now how about from a town perspective. I correctly guess most of the scum are in group 1 and tunnel it in order to outWIFOM the scum with zero scumhunting effort. I try to convince people I'm not leading a 1/1/1 scumteam to appease the paranoia. I am proven correct and deduce the last scum day 3 no matter if it's inconvenient for my survival or not. And here we are talking now.
So which makes more sense? Explain to me.
You think that I chose a distribution of 2/1/0 leaving an option to lynch group 3 who were all town, but all I did all of day 1 was tunnel on group 1 with my 2 buddies inside.
Then, I had one townie (MorningTweet) who believed so strongly I was town that she put group 1 at L-1 for me to prove I wouldn't hammer.
All of this while doing zero scumhunting. At any point in time I could have been the one everyone voted for.
Now if I thought I could lynch group 1 and get everyone to self-vote, why didn't I just put my scumbuddies in groups 2 and 3 instead of group 1? Why didn't I do 1/1/1? Why not keep MorningTweet or someone that I can persuade in the endgame with me?
Anyways, so then Day 2 comes. Clidd townreads me from day 1. I scumread mohab from day 1. But the optimal scum strategy for me here is to write a very clear case on the one person townreading me? And then after he flips town, I have to convince the guy I was attacking and you to vote for each other?
Does this plan make sense to you as scum?
Now how about from a town perspective. I correctly guess most of the scum are in group 1 and tunnel it in order to outWIFOM the scum with zero scumhunting effort. I try to convince people I'm not leading a 1/1/1 scumteam to appease the paranoia. I am proven correct and deduce the last scum day 3 no matter if it's inconvenient for my survival or not. And here we are talking now.
So which makes more sense? Explain to me.
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My proving I'm not the leader of a 1-1-1 conspiracy doesn't make me look town and when I wrote my case against clidd I didn't mention it at all. It means jack shit now. Look at everything else I did. Look at my logical case.In post 949, dsjstr wrote:your performance proving it is not 1-1-1 makes you look like town
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Clidd expected me to vote for the biggest group day 2 like I did day 1.In post 950, dsjstr wrote:I meant why the fuck would mafia not put themself in the group of two for the scum reasoning for D2
Me + clidd + one of you self-votes and scum win.
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In post 710, clidd wrote:You should have followed my reads.In post 704, Morning Tweet wrote:That's really surprising you went for that. plus group #3 fooled a lot of people including me reads-wise. nice job
In post 675, clidd wrote:I'm not surprised, my reads already pointed out that you were town long before.In post 654, Albert B. Rampage wrote:I am now confirmed town or the only scum in groups 2 and 3 and I just put both my scumbuddies at L-1 twice
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Okay so my master plan is to bus both my buddies and look super town but then for some reason not get NK'd.In post 948, Albert B. Rampage wrote:So here's the thing.
You think that I chose a distribution of 2/1/0 leaving an option to lynch group 3 who were all town, but all I did all of day 1 was tunnel on group 1 with my 2 buddies inside.
Then, I had one townie (MorningTweet) who believed so strongly I was town that she put group 1 at L-1 for me to prove I wouldn't hammer.
All of this while doing zero scumhunting. At any point in time I could have been the one everyone voted for.
Now if I thought I could lynch group 1 and get everyone to self-vote, why didn't I just put my scumbuddies in groups 2 and 3 instead of group 1? Why didn't I do 1/1/1? Why not keep MorningTweet or someone that I can persuade in the endgame with me?
Anyways, so then Day 2 comes. Clidd townreads me from day 1. I scumread mohab from day 1. But the optimal scum strategy for me here is to write a very clear case on the one person townreading me? And then after he flips town, I have to convince the guy I was attacking and you to vote for each other?
Does this plan make sense to you as scum?
Now how about from a town perspective. I correctly guess most of the scum are in group 1 and tunnel it in order to outWIFOM the scum with zero scumhunting effort. I try to convince people I'm not leading a 1/1/1 scumteam to appease the paranoia. I am proven correct and deduce the last scum day 3 no matter if it's inconvenient for my survival or not. And here we are talking now.
So which makes more sense? Explain to me.
Come on it's obvious I'm town. Everyone know that I'm bad at playing scum.
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The exact same logic applies in reverse to you.In post 960, clidd wrote:Yes, ok. You're a mastermind of scumhunting. Now, accept the coinflip and if you live, you will be treated as "conftown" and me as "confscum" by PoE if I live.
I think your wording was "self-vote if you have any dignity".
You just are afraid to die and think you can win day 3. It's not gonna happen, you need to die first.
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You're not even reading anymore. It's not a victory until you die scumbag.In post 925, Albert B. Rampage wrote:At first, I thought you were a noob with blinders on who was going to delay the town victory.In post 924, dsjstr wrote:You seemed fairly enthusiastic about a coinflip. Why are you backing out right before it could potentially and most likely happen.
Now I'm concerned you might cost us the game even if I die because you trust clidd too much, and I'm hopeful you can turn around your wrong assumptions.
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Quite easily, in fact ^In post 825, dsjstr wrote:Clidd was scum in both of these games.I don't see this as scum!clidd I would rather lynch you before cliddIn post 813, Mohab500 wrote:Considering you're 100% confident he's scum, I feel like that it shouldn't matter if we lynch you first, then Albert. Right?
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I'm already voting group 3 from here and never unvoted.
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Don't worry I'm going to put the time into this game that will win town the game. No hurry to vote.In post 970, clidd wrote:Don't flash-lynch Albert tomorrow, evaluate Dsj / Mohab first.
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It could be. Who's scummier to you between the two of them?In post 973, clidd wrote:To be honest, Scum!Clidd and Scum!Albert have no way of winning with the current scenario. I would not be surprised if I am wrong and our interaction was TvT.
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I'm just curious, who did you think was scum before I accused you?In post 973, clidd wrote:To be honest, Scum!Clidd and Scum!Albert have no way of winning with the current scenario. I would not be surprised if I am wrong and our interaction was TvT.
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Yeah I agree.In post 978, clidd wrote:Mohab makes more sense for the group's organizations and the way she theorized the group 3 "wifom". The current game state implies an intelligent scum, which is incompatible with the Dsj's scumgame.
Between me and mohab, what % do you think it's me vs mohab?
Also mad respect to your scum game, I wouldn't be able to tell if you were actually scum. I didn't see it as worth it for us risking voting the 2 man group and losing to you.
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i suspected clidd more than mohab but I made it VERY CLEAR THAT IF I WAS GOING TO LYLO I WAS VOTING MOHAB AND NOT DJSTR.
Yes, I said I was going to vote for the one guy keeping me alive day 2 while day 2 was unfolding, risking my life, OVER the guy who was tunneling me.
Yes, I said I was going to vote for the one guy keeping me alive day 2 while day 2 was unfolding, risking my life, OVER the guy who was tunneling me.
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LOL they thought of using your obvtowniness to their advantage!In post 1007, Morning Tweet wrote:great job hunting down the wolves ABR <33
I would have felt very manipulated if they went with the scum + me group !!
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Thanks guys.
I wanted to share my best practices with the site from a case study of this game.
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=83088
I wanted to share my best practices with the site from a case study of this game.
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=83088
Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.