Newbie 2027 | Doggos | Town Win

[shellyc]

Hey, hi, hello! Greetings everyone. I have had one scum game (Newbie 2019) which was also my first game on the site. I've also finished a game which is ongoing and I obviously won't talk about it (Newbie 2025).

I have only seen one name on the player list, so I'll vote for them. VOTE: Frogsterking

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I shot myself once after reading that name ngl

/\/\@f1@9001\1554yvv|-|A+

Non-voting post. Interesting. Sceptorus, why do you elect not to start off by voting during RVS?

[shellyc]

sup bitches

congrats shelly you’re the lucky winner
VOTE: shelly

Thank you. I am honoured.

[shellyc]

/\/\@f1@ = Mafia
9001\15 = goons
54y = say
vv|-|A+ = what
found one scum, now you can claim who your partner is to make this quicker.
VOTE: shellyc

(yeah i know this wasnt the best execution for this joke but I WAS GETTING IMPATIENT DAMNIT)

My pure town energy will prove you wrong; not to worry. Good joke by the way.

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Wow I'm at E-2 all of a sudden! Amazing.

72offsuit's wagon vote does seem a little suspect to me but nothing much. "Low effort" is a thought that comes from scum more than town IMO.

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VOTE: shelly

l-1 lets have some fun

Wow I am at L-1! This is really fun.

By the way I'm sure repeat voting does not count.

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not particularly a fan of shelly reaction either, its kinda lamist and omgusy, so imma stay but id love to know everyones thoughts rn

How would you want me to defend? I could only laugh at the repeat voting lol.

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Noraa seems kind of townie, EchoVision doesn't really so far.

Why is EchoVision less town? What is this?

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I thought Echovision voting multiple times was a lil sus bc it seems like he's desperately trying to eliminate shelly. The reply shelly gave was a lil provocative soo idk what to feel there. I feel like it's too hard to be sure on anything rn tho cuz most people haven't said much.

This is kinda a scummy post IMO. Firstly, it is sheeping Sceptorus. Secondly, it's basically saying both Echo and I are suspect despite Echo voting for me? That's just contradictory. Thirdly, from the games I've read, "confused" is a often a thought from newbscum.

By the way why was my reply "provocative"?

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Early thoughts:

Sceptorus - Asking people to talk is a townie trait, prompts Noraa to give their thoughts. I am feeling town here early on.
Noraa - #29 sheeps me, #36 sheeps Sceptorus. I don't know if this is a personality trait or anything, but this sounds like newbscum that agrees and latches on.
EchoVision - I am feeling slight town because of their single minded insistence to vote me. A mafia would hardly show the aggression that this shows.

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In my opinion if you have to lie about your choices/posts it's easier to make simple choices/posts over and over, like voting the same person, the way EchoVision did. If Noraa is lying about all of what she said it seems like a lot to make up on the spot.

Obviously I could be all wrong it just seems like pretty good reasoning considering it's page 2.

IMO that tunneling on me is townie aggression. You have a point there (repeating) though...

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I think this post is interesting because it's a different perspective than mine.

Frogster can you attach explanations with your posts so I don't have to ask about them every time?

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It's not necessarily contradictory because it could absolutely be that the two mafia voted for each other or made it seem like they disliked each other just to prove that they aren't related. And shelly the fact that u r replying to every single person's post and brushing away the fact that they are voting u by "friending" them and saying they seem townie is hella sus if u ask me. As for why ur posts were provocative, im starting to change my opinion and almost think ur trying to guilt trip them cuz they voted u and then u say eyyy u give off pure townie energy or something like that which if I was them, I would feel bad voting u soooo yeah.

Okay what you are describing here is a pocket. I literally think their actions are townie, is that a problem? So you're saying that townreading people is a crime? I acknowledged Frogster's view as well that they could be scum repeating their actions.

[shellyc]

=-=
dont lynch them yet

What is this? Warlocking? "dont lynch them yet" implied that you TR me? What is the reasoning of your TR

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Shelly is the most obvious newbie scum I have played with in a long long time. Posts like this ^.
Pure gold.

Unfortunately, you are incorrect. I'll prove you wrong.

[shellyc]

What is this? Warlocking? "dont lynch them yet" implied that you TR me? What is the reasoning of your TR

In this post I outlined the possibility of sirius warlocking me. I asked them for the reasoning for their TR on me (as they said "dont lynch them yet.")

You have made a mistake, sir.

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The fact you say I am "incorrect" rather than questioning if I am scum pushing you to get a miskick is pretty telling.

I acknowledge your effort at pushing me. It is an incorrect push though.

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Shelly, is this your first game?
Previous game threads if not?

I spent time making my signature. Look at it.

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Terrible reaction. You just went from -5 on my scum-radar to -10.

I first come in and am aware of Sirius's attempts to give me a townpass. You see that as a scumslip (it is obviously not one).

Then I react saying you are wrong. I have no need to prove you wrong because I know I am town. My townieness will shine through.

Literally have no idea what you are doing by pushing me here. When are you going to keep making wrong cases, until lylo?

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hey PlusJoy! Also I am a she/her

I said they were incorrect in stating that I was "obvscum"

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Oh sirius isn't a SE slot. Huh. Then that might have just been a scum slip.

Huh what do you mean scumslip? Where did sirius scumslip

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#63 SR without vote is scummy. they just didn't want to hammer me I got to E-1 right?

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It's not necessarily contradictory because it could absolutely be that the two mafia voted for each other or made it seem like they disliked each other just to prove that they aren't related. And shelly the fact that u r replying to every single person's post and brushing away the fact that they are voting u by "friending" them and saying they seem townie is hella sus if u ask me. As for why ur posts were provocative, im starting to change my opinion and almost think ur trying to guilt trip them cuz they voted u and then u say eyyy u give off pure townie energy or something like that which if I was them, I would feel bad voting u soooo yeah.

noobtown 98.481%

do you have any experience on any other sites/a different account? or are you new to the game in general

btw i'm not being toxic calling you a noob, there's just certain play styles that are prevalent in newer players and that's what a fair bit of your posts are striking me as

VOTE: shelly

man i love to shitpost

agreeing vibes

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dont lynch them yet

What is this? Warlocking? "dont lynch them yet" implied that you TR me? What is the reasoning of your TR

um p sure he was just saying that to make sure the day doesnt early, but ok

What is this? Warlocking? "dont lynch them yet" implied that you TR me? What is the reasoning of your TR

In this post I outlined the possibility of sirius warlocking me. I asked them for the reasoning for their TR on me (as they said "dont lynch them yet.")

You have made a mistake, sir.

lol no
i scumread you
we just still had a few days and i thought that we could observer for a longer period of time before voting

*declare intent to hammer*

i mean, you just went from not wanting to end the day prematurely to threatening to end the day prematurely

Shelly is the most obvious newbie scum I have played with in a long long time. Posts like this ^.
Pure gold.

Unfortunately, you are incorrect. I'll prove you wrong.

The fact you say I am "incorrect" rather than questioning if I am scum pushing you to get a miskick is pretty telling.

It speaks to a scum mindset - !scumShelly KNOWING I am town.

MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY OMG

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so basically, my thoughts can be summarised by looking at echovision posts, and besides that i feel early townvibes in frogster, 72's game has felt rather opportunistic so eary scumvibes there.

"Haha yes, I agree with all the pro-townie viewpoints"
No offense intended but safe play isn't helpful for scum hunting.

Safe play is a scumtell imo. Though this could be just a personality trait or something

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I thought PlusJOYED was referring to 72offsuit as he but idk

Why does this even matter? This is just IIoA. Noraa is getting scummier by the minute

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Shelly is the most obvious newbie scum I have played with in a long long time. Posts like this ^.
Pure gold.

Unfortunately, you are incorrect. I'll prove you wrong.

What is this? Warlocking? "dont lynch them yet" implied that you TR me? What is the reasoning of your TR

In this post I outlined the possibility of sirius warlocking me. I asked them for the reasoning for their TR on me (as they said "dont lynch them yet.")

You have made a mistake, sir.

Shelly's tone just feels off to me.
Possibly the cheesiest scumtell is shelly's posts just feel really stilted and comma punctuation anal. Like trying not to put a letter wrong. Feels like scum being careful and calculating. I get that it may just be player posting style but I dont think so.

My friends call me a grammar police. It's posting style

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@EchoVision I wanted to play forum mafia on a different site. They recommended I come here to learn. I shall observe more to learn faster that way I only seem 97% like a noob lol.

no that's okay! the main point of this queue is to learn and become a better player, which just comes with time. there's certain things that every new player just

has

to go through, we've all been there.
once you get experience and some games under your belt, it becomes easier and easier to look at a message and go "okay that's noob scum" or "that interactions undoubtedly town v. town" or "yeah that's something that a noob scum would never say, so they've gotta be noob town"

there's nothing wrong with having your plays or messages classified like that, it's part of the learning experience




i'm usually wrong anyways so fuck me

Pocketing this early huh? Gotta get those with less confidence in their reads to vote with you ASAP.

VOTE: echo

idk what to make of shelly yet but I'm kind of impressed they got to E-2 in just 2 pages lol

wtf
VOTE: sirius

scum radar:
squeak
squeak

wtf do you mean squeak squeak i’m not a rubber ducky

From pure gut this just seems a scum response. "wtf" to scumread just seems like a natural scum reaction to being SR

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@EchoVision I wanted to play forum mafia on a different site. They recommended I come here to learn. I shall observe more to learn faster that way I only seem 97% like a noob lol.

no that's okay! the main point of this queue is to learn and become a better player, which just comes with time. there's certain things that every new player just

has

to go through, we've all been there.
once you get experience and some games under your belt, it becomes easier and easier to look at a message and go "okay that's noob scum" or "that interactions undoubtedly town v. town" or "yeah that's something that a noob scum would never say, so they've gotta be noob town"

there's nothing wrong with having your plays or messages classified like that, it's part of the learning experience




i'm usually wrong anyways so fuck me

Pocketing this early huh? Gotta get those with less confidence in their reads to vote with you ASAP.

VOTE: echo

idk what to make of shelly yet but I'm kind of impressed they got to E-2 in just 2 pages lol

wtf
VOTE: sirius

scum radar:
squeak
squeak

wtf do you mean squeak squeak i’m not a rubber ducky

From pure gut this just seems a scum response. "wtf" to scumread just seems like a natural scum reaction to being SR

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you didn’t get to l-1 which is why the intent to hammer was dumb and scummy which is what i said before but everyone chose to ignore it until the new guy said it louder

Oh whoops I miscounted then. probably because you voted for me in every post

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I'd like to put more pressure on sirius to see what they do

Why are you placing pressure on Sirius rather than any other slot?

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The intent thing was a mistake, I don't know why putting pressure there would generate info about their alignment.

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pedit Happy birthday JacksonVirgo!

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My FoS on 72offsuit which began with my vote in post 148 based on his behavior in a series of posts: 60, 70, 71, 72, 73, 74.

They literally know what they're doing because they're an SE...

might reflect noraa read #153 and #154 are town posts to me

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Shallow meta diving shelly, her tone is more serious as scum, which i think reflects her play here, whereas as town she is more informal relaxed and jokey.

Which games did you look at? I have had one towngame and one scumgame. I was serious that game mainly because that was my first game. In the towngame I was relaxed because I just basically made it through an intense 1v7 as scum.

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Ig that's just posting style then

What does this refer to?

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Little suspect, but nothing much - classic scum hedging their bets.

Wagoning to me is slight scum AI to me - especially jumping on me who I know to be town. Town can wagon though. What's the problem with pointing out it's nothing much?

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Tunneling a player as scum is a pretty easy way to win.

If it's an easy way to win, this contradicts your thinking of scum being conservative. If scum could tunnel and win, the argument that I'm scum hedging my bets doesn't stand.

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Scumshelly trying to play nice and be agreeable.

Why can't town!me be nice and agreeable? Nothing more than personality trait.

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It's not necessarily contradictory because it could absolutely be that the two mafia voted for each other or made it seem like they disliked each other just to prove that they aren't related. And shelly the fact that u r replying to every single person's post and brushing away the fact that they are voting u by "friending" them and saying they seem townie is hella sus if u ask me. As for why ur posts were provocative, im starting to change my opinion and almost think ur trying to guilt trip them cuz they voted u and then u say eyyy u give off pure townie energy or something like that which if I was them, I would feel bad voting u soooo yeah.

Okay what you are describing here is a pocket. I literally think their actions are townie, is that a problem? So you're saying that townreading people is a crime? I acknowledged Frogster's view as well that they could be scum repeating their actions.

Overly defensive.
Echo is town for pushing you in rVS and im scum for pushing you with reasons?

My defensiveness is personality trait. see newbie 2025

Echo is town for making consistent effort to push me. You're scum for wagoning

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It's not necessarily contradictory because it could absolutely be that the two mafia voted for each other or made it seem like they disliked each other just to prove that they aren't related. And shelly the fact that u r replying to every single person's post and brushing away the fact that they are voting u by "friending" them and saying they seem townie is hella sus if u ask me. As for why ur posts were provocative, im starting to change my opinion and almost think ur trying to guilt trip them cuz they voted u and then u say eyyy u give off pure townie energy or something like that which if I was them, I would feel bad voting u soooo yeah.

Okay what you are describing here is a pocket. I literally think their actions are townie, is that a problem? So you're saying that townreading people is a crime? I acknowledged Frogster's view as well that they could be scum repeating their actions.

Overly defensive.
Echo is town for pushing you in rVS and im scum for pushing you with reasons?

Shelly is the most obvious newbie scum I have played with in a long long time. Posts like this ^.
Pure gold.

Unfortunately, you are incorrect. I'll prove you wrong.

Town's job isnt to prove themself to be town. Town's job is to kick scum.

If town's job is to kick scum, it can be accomplished by not kicking town. As I am part of town, I feel responsibility to prove myself as townie.

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72offsuit just made an extremely flawed attempt to push me. This is blatantly flawed logic.

I'm fairly sure im the scum lynchbait here

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I have come to the conclusion that 72offsuit is scum here.

#26 says low effort. Scumhunting requires effort to push and question. Tell me why this isn't a scum motive.
#27 wagons me and takes me to L-2 which I regard as a scumtell. Scum would push me to a mislim.
#60 sets me up as lynchbait
I used the words "Unfortunately, you are incorrect. I'll prove you wrong." Because I know I am town, and you push me, you must be incorrect.
#73 randomly says that's a bad reaction which doesn't make sense.
#74 I say you are incorrect but I didn't regard you as scum yet. I respect all efforts to push an elim.
#129 pure personality. time to use informal language so you TR me. Doesn't make sense at all.
#157 I refuted this earlier

So basically all your posts are tunneling me with flawed logic - which corresponds to your claim that scum tunneling is an easy win.

VOTE: 72offsuit DIE MAFIA SCUM!

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How does! ScumMe saying "im going to give low effort" further !scumMe's Agenda. Honestly think it through for 2 seconds.

How does town!72offsuit further the town agenda by not putting effort though?

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Tunneling a player as scum is a pretty easy way to win.

If it's an easy way to win, this contradicts your thinking of scum being conservative. If scum could tunnel and win, the argument that I'm scum hedging my bets doesn't stand.

1. You are twisting my words here, be it intentionally or through confbias by misquoting, by removing the context.
My statement was in response to you saying Echo is town for pushing aggressively against you. It has nothing to do with your play, if you bothered to try to consider my post from a town perspective, which if you are town, i am 75 percent likely to be town.

2. Im questioning the intent behind your read on echo in that post to try and sort your slot. Instead of explaining why you think echos push is town pressuring rather than scum tunneling, you turn it into an attack against me.

3. Scum can win by both tunneling and leading a miskick on town, or by being non-comittal and keeping options open to hop onto a leading wagon that is most convenient. I'm discussing what i think is your intent in this game. You on the other hand are discussing general scum theory and simply trying to shade me.

IMO echo's post is town pressuring because of their single-minded desire to get rid of me. Scum doing that would just get called out. I have no idea why scum would keep voting for a person.

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After i discuss the discrepancy in your playstyle which you ADMIT to, you conveniently attempt to mimic your post from newbie 2025.

I actually copy DIE MAFIA SCUM from SJReaver in Newbie 2018. I use it because you're scum and you need to die.

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Hey now, I'm trying to solve here, and shelly just agreeing with me on most posts is why I don't townread them yet

Now, now, now. Who agreed with who? I made the effort in 193 to read 72's ISO, and you just sheeped it all. Don't you SR 72offsuit, who I highly SR? So you think im bussing 72offsuit, or is this a null read

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Rereading sirus ISO he legit seems like a VI jester play. What benefits does a townie have to act like a jester in a game without a jester slot? Maybe for some kind of gambit? idk
I could definitely see why a scum would like to act as a jester though. Let people start ignoring them to drown out the jester noise while people die 1 by 1.

My vote stays on Sirius

Reading sirius' past games they literally play like a jester every game... this jester play comes from either alignment

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stop leaning town on me fuck you guys don't read me

This is a very townie post. IMO scum wouldn't react like that when TR

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null read you still

I have a different vibe from PlusJoy. this is pure gut though

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shh, no discussing ongoing games

Yeah I know, but this is a gutread mainly. idk your tone is different

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May be a little too early to call, but a 720 and shelly team doesn't seem feasible but I could see them both as townies. So if 720 flips scum I think shellyc is town, and vice versa.

So basically you think thats impossible to be scum bussing and either TvS or TvT. Why do you think that bussing seems unfeasible here?

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I think most of us agree that 720's accusation logic doesn't make much sense, but the question now is that if it was just made up stuff to push a scum!720 narrative of me and shellyc being the scumteam, and wanting to wagon us, or was it genuinely a newbie town!720 thought process?

You're sheeping me again. The earlier posts I made were completely focused on calling out 72offsuit for poor logic, and now you sheep me that their logic doesn't make sense...

72offsuit is an SE if I recall correctly

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I feel like his logic somewhat makes sense but his evidence is very very weak. And in a game of mafia legit everyone is gonna say a few sus things throughout this game and just honing in bc of one or two slips during RVS seems very unfair to me.

Does this refer to the 72offsuit FoS on me? because I dont think they even make sense at all

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yeah

IMO calling them out for not having enough evidence is pretty weak. The main problem is their logical flaws. This is like advocating to not sus early which is anti town

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Heading to bed and hope to wake up to juicy posts

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so far ...

decent town lean: echo (pretty consistent townie)

slight town lean: froster (looks like trying to solve), noraa (a lil sheepy, but my gut says newbie town), shellyc (seem REALLY self aware which is kind of scummy but I think they are trying to solve and a bit of gut feeling too)

slight scum lean: sirius (could be either, but why are they acting like a jester? It only really benefits mafia, so I see them as mafia), sceptorus (inactive and agreeability), niaking (heavy lurking)

decent scum lean: 720 (their logic doesn't make sense and their solutions seem super rigid/fixed, and while I could possibly see that out of a newbie townie, they are an SE slot where bad town play befits mafia)

with that said

Uhhh PlusJoy. STOP SHEEPING ME PLEASE! you literally copypaste a huge majority of what I say. I did this in newbie 2019 to great success as scum. PlusJoy if you are town please stop sheeping me and come up with original content that adds to the game.

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I feel like no ones gonna get eliminated first day tho right? Like nothings certain so if someone dies day 1, that's just stupid

Theory lesson:
we elim day 1 for info. If we no elim day 1, we just wasted 10 days worth of discussion, THEN WE GIVE THE SCUM A FREE KILL.

Wagons give info and vote analysis, and a no elim will not.

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Second of all, I don't feel comfortable sitting on this BW, and I FoS both shelly and PLUS for potentially taking advantage of it, in addition to 72offsuit for the same reason on the earlier bandwagon. When I voted 72offsuit earlier, even though I FoS them, it was NOT my intention to have them at E-1 when I looked back the next day.

I have no idea what PlusJoy is doing - sheeping my arguments to discredit 72, putting them at E-1 without saying it, then playing dumb. I would definitely say PlusJoy is opportunistic scum here.

VOTE: PlusJoy don't sheep me please

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Regardless of either shelly gaslighting me or me being freaking crazy apparently, I'm a lil disappointed that froster backed off. 72o looked pretty scummy to me for reasons stated, so I wanted to put pressure on them to see their reaction. I'm not looking to quickhammer anyone here yet, as I stated from the begining. I just want to hunt scum and I feel like I'm being misconstrued here.

My prior readlist still stands.

This is more town but I still stand by my statement that plusjoy is sheeping

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If I remember correctly Nikahang did vote for someone so lol that would've maybe? been an error but now it doesn't matter since he got prodded.

That was already 36 hours ago

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Why did you unvote, sirius?

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Nikahang has been prodded

VOTE: ShellNyc

You lurker decide to come in and vote me without any explanation attempted. This is very anti town

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Suggesting a prod is ok and is equivalent to a real prod

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Don't really like #317 though. Lurkers will eventually get replaced on a third prod. I have no idea why you want to focus on them

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I'm not sure if sceptorous and niaking are newbie scum because they don't know what to say and are worried about being found out, or if they are just aparhetic townies

Apathetic. I'm very pedantic.

Scum does lurk more than town though as far as I know

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Posting is good but that's an easy thing for scum to do to seem townie. I'm still having paranoia about PlusJoy and Noraa

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EBWOP I meant encouraging posting

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Mafia Discussion Forum all of a sudden now?

I'm replying to everything at once

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I kinda changed my mind on 72 bc frogster said he wasn't scum and frogster's reads sound pretty convincing to me. Ok now im just really lost cuz I felt like frogster was town with good reads so I kinda thought 72 was town as well so then his read was u and shelly were mafia and I heard he had good reads. But then Frogsters read might be wrong or you could be lying or frogster could be mafia. okay my brains pretty fucked up rn imma just wait til tomorrow to try to sort this out in my mess of a brain.

Confusion is a newbscumtell. This is a very messed-up post.

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Frogter is playing very conservative here spitting mafia theory at us instead of actually trying to solve the game. Refraining from voting the biggest scumtell and doing IIoA.

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Yeah and I definitely think 72 could be mafia I just want to give them a chance to speak, there are still multiple days left and we can change our mind about 72 later.

This sounds awfully like distancing to me. 72/Frogster scumteam?

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omfg you posted after me

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Playing confused is an easy was to get a townpass for not producing content. Scum have no motivation to produce content as they do not want to scumhunt.

[shellyc]

*easy way

Btw won't be posting as much because it's MARATHON WEEKEND

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@mod plusjoy is at E-3 and im supposed to be at E-2

Thanks, fixed

[shellyc]

I'd like to hear more from Sceptorus.

Why Sceptorus and not the other lurkers?

[shellyc]

plus is scum, 72 is town, shelly is just a fever dream

wtf how am I a fever dream

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Since newbie 2023 ended imma use it for meta reference

PlusJoy is more image focused here, I'd say they're trying to look town without actually having town motives.

My vote stays on PlusJoy. Putting 72offsuit at L-1 without announcing it still sticks.

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In case he comes back before the replacement comes, my opinion on him is that he seems to have similar reads to me which is a noobtell imo(if noobtell's even a word) He seemed to be sheeping other people which was something someone can't remember who pointed out. I personally thought he wasn't sheeping anyone bc he was only here for like the first 2 days or something and everything a lil sus there everyone's gonna notice immediately. So I thought that everyone having similar reads during that period of time was acceptable. Basically I wrote a whole paragraph which can be summarized as I townread him.

Sheeping is a scumtell to me. In my first ever scumgame I sheeped players for the majority of things I said and got a win

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Sirius I want to hear your take on this game. you haven't been posting much so I find it unfair that I can't bring myself to scumread u which results in me only being able to scumread other people that have been talking more when u could be scum choosing to watch town rip itself apart.

LAMIST-ing by asking lurkers to talk?

I'm a very paranoid person.

[shellyc]

idc

why would you not care about the elimination?

this is indicative of scum motives

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Speaking of last game, shelly to me is playing exactly the same as before in their scumgame. Not voting out of the ordinary, not trying to solve much, just agreeing with other players. I'm not seeing any discrepancy in your play thus far and since the game is so recent that's sus to me.

I single-handedly pushed you. I'm not agreeing with other people - I pushed and questioned you, 72offsuit and Noraa myself.

[shellyc]

Who's the partner?

Who told you to use AtE in your PT

[shellyc]

Take a deep breath, then scream for help in your PT.

First you sheep almost all of my case towards 72offsuit. Town, look at 193 then 207. It's obvious PlusJoy is hard sheeping me here, not making any effort to solve.
207 says "yeah idk"

AGREEING

with me. then PlusJoy says a bunch of IIoA. I don't want to hear you spitting mafia theory at me. 208 basically sheeps the part where I SR them.

Then 225

continues to sheep my 72offsuit SR.

Instead of exploring other worlds or solves.
"logic doesn't make sense" - plusjoy in 225
"flawed logic" - me in 193

240 says that they have been "mostly independent" wtf PlusJoy after reading your ISO thrice I just

don't see

where you express original thoughts.

241 states I am town because of

gut feeling

. I feel this is a very unwarranted TR and most likely a pocket. then 243 encourages lurkers to talk which is a form of LAMIST - thats very easy towncred.

Then 254 continuedly puts 72offsuit as scum (as I said), still putting me as town, putting echo as town, and lurkers at scumlean

This game is not a game of "

get the lurkers to talk

". it's a game of finding the mafia and kicking them. Lurkers will get replaced. I don't get the heavy SR lean on the lurkers. This is probably finding filler SRs.

One thing I'd like to point out is 207 first puts 72offsuit as scum, but the vote only comes in 254. Why didn't you put a vote down earlier?

Votes aren't matching up with actions

; another scumtell

256 doesn't show town motives at all. Hey, our job is to

find scum, not obvtown

. Scum could try and look town as well; it doesn't help.

271

blatantly pockets

echo again. The quite unwarranted TR of echo rings a bell to my pocketing in the scumgame i just played

Then you put 72offsuit at L-1 without announcing it.

What?!

then you claim it as a "mistake". So basically your thought process is "wait till votes pile on them and lightly SR them until the chance to put at L-1 comes"

300 starts AtEing and

deflecting towards me

. I never sheeped anyone. I know I wasn't the first to vote you; doesn't mean I sheep. Very flawed logic.

332 SRs the lurking people AGAIN. LURKERS GET REPLACED. yes talking is beneficial but replacements exist

340 attempts to pocket Noraa. Now I'd like to point this out: basically plusjoy has TR everyone except the lurkers and 72offsuit, which

doesn't help

. if we flip the lurkers and they are red we don't get associative tells.

363 is AtEing towards Noraa. it's obvious Noraa is firmly in your pocket

386

pivots on the 72offsuit SR.

have no idea why you arbitrarily decide to pivot. So your only SRs are the lurkers at this point? Yeah sirius isn't being helpful but policy elims often benefit scum. imo scum!sirius doesn't play jester like

390 suggests TvT with me and you which doesn't make sense frankly. it's almost surely

TvS

and you're the scum.

393 backtracks on the lurker scumreads. SO YOU HAVE

NO SCUMREADS

NOW WTF PLUSJOY? then scum!plusjoy probs realises this and arbitrarily adds a 72 SR but you listed them as "could be town" in 386

401 susses frogster as the 72 partner, BUT 409 says slight TR frogster

8 posts later

. that's a very, very illogical leap.

414 what?? AtEing me now woah you can cut down the AtEs next time as scum

415 is very

image conscious

- you either put me there if you think im scum or don't put me there if you think im town. "probably die" why be afraid of nightkills? and if you're town there's no reason to fear a mislim either

437 meta-SRs me despite stating that they don't like using meta earlier. probably trying to secure a mislim with me at L-2 here

So basically PlusJoy's ISO looks very, very scummy here. My vote stays on them and I urge y'all townies to look in the mirror and realise how scummy this man is.

I don't care about your "sheeping" case on me because I ain't sheeping. My townieness will shine through penultimately and you can flip red.

[shellyc]

sorry for the huge wall btw but I need to make this a point. PlusJoy looks awful and we need to powereliminate them today.

[shellyc]

have no idea why plusJoy decided to copy my post word for word in 400 and 401.

so now you pivot on your SR on me? because of my wall case or what

[shellyc]

Look at the wall and tell me why you're not scum, because I strongly think you are.

447 was directed towards 72offsuit.

[shellyc]

ooh so OMGUS-ing me here interesting, very interesting

I will defend emphatically to your fake case

[shellyc]

- I express a scum lean on PlusJoy in #219
- #245 echo says "not a fan of plus joy"

Tell me 245 is smaller than 219 please

[shellyc]

#215 I point out that you are sheeping
#251 echo says you are "copying people's reads"

Do some maths. I'm not sheeping anyone, I'm making this push on you first

[shellyc]

Your solve is literally 72offsuit (who I obviously SR first - read the DIE MAFIA SCUM! post) and the lurkers. scum making a case on lurker for policy eliminate is an easy way to get a misaim

[shellyc]

*I meant mislim

[shellyc]

VCA doesn't lie. You voted me after sirius and echo. You expressed a gut read, sure, to test the waters and get me killed now that people have voted on me.

VCA does lie.

Imagine a world with scum!me and town!you. I have the perfect chance to accuse you of sheeping me, but I don't put down a vote. Scum's wincon is to make up the majority of the town. Why in the world would I not put a vote asap and give my partner the chance to quickhammer you? (since Sirius and echo were voting)

You said "I SR lurkers" in 450.

[shellyc]

shelly was fine but idk wasn't a fan of the push on plus it seemed rather aggressive as opposed to effective i guess?

what do you mean it wasn't effective? because it was very effective. I made them explain their actions and they have started to generate original content, so I can judge them better.

[shellyc]

Check the chart after I cleaned it up a little bit. I'm not really seeing any players being scummy, I'm seeing a lot of scum hunting actually. Did you read the article on active lurking?

1. nikahang is getting replaced
2. sirius I'm more leaning town about actually. Scum wouldn't play jester-style imo and they're just being a VI here
3. sceptorus has been producing almost 0 content and agreed with the views by others, scummier at the moment

im kinda concerned by you saying "not really seeing players being scummy" because I am still banking on PlusJoy scum here. 72offsuit hasn't really taken a turn for the better after I cased him.

[shellyc]

*SE-hat on*

@ Shelly, I think this post is something you would benefit from reading through and mulling over if you are town:

It's by word321 in newbie game 2022 in post-game feedback that succinctly articulates what I think of your slot this game

As for the feedback, I think that Ive already said everything I could say to the scum team on the last day, I guess; nothing else comes to mind
And for the rest, Id say to have an eye on objectives behind actions, or try to guess what ppl r trying to acomplish, more than direct "tells" like acting like scum; scum actively tries to play like town; what differs is in the intention behind actions more than actions.
Oc, take everything I say with a grain of salt, but I hope it helps a lil bit at least.

yeah ok thanks I get how you want me to look at objectives instead of actions

[shellyc]

like your case a lot actually. probably need more practice at ISO-diving and casing in the future. I like how you reference mindset as I didn't take that into consideration when casing

[shellyc]

What's wrong with thinking every post is AI though?

[shellyc]

Nice pocket 72offsuit. I will not give you townpoints for TRing me yet.

[shellyc]

400 and 401 was a joke.

not my fault

[shellyc]

Rereading shelly, reads more like a newbietown who thinks every single post is alignment indicative AND is pre-occupied with themself as being town, so anyone who SRs them is scum.

inaccurate statement. she used to be at like E-2 or something. half the town would have to be scum for that statement to be true

The votes on my are 72offsuit (who I still lean scum-ish on), Nikahang (who is getting replaced) and Sceptorus (who is still RVS-ing me)

[shellyc]

Do you really think !scumMe tries to pocket you after pushing you? How effective do you think this would be on any given player?

Early game pushes me for being paranoid and defensive which I do even as town. READ NEWBIE 2025
Then pockets me because I SR everyone who SRs me and scum!you gets a townpass from me easily

[shellyc]

I think plus AtE'd you at one point you said "poor plusjoy" when they said they were often SR

[shellyc]

Shelly's agressive and dirty push/casing of me, twisting my words around, is clouding my judgement. A part of me wants to OMGUS shelly for their agressive push, which is similar to how they cased me in hedgehogs when they were scum and part of me wants to ignore my accusers and solve.

Noticed how in hedgehogs, the worst pushed you first and then I pushed you ever-so-slightly so the elim went through and the worst got all the blame for it.

this is very different

[shellyc]

This is pretty townie. But all of these things fall into categories of wither genuine mistakes, meticulous obsessing on my personality, attacking me for not wanting be SR, or twisting my words/misinterpreting them. I get it, being self conscious is bad. I'm a newbie slot, still learning this stuff.

I'm gonna commit to 72o since they still feel a lil scummy to me. Their logic doesn't make sense. I'm leaning more on scum shelly, unsure how much of that is gut/prior experience with them and how much of that is me being pissy so I'll hold off for now

why is my wall scummy and 72offsuit's wall townie? doesn't make sense

[shellyc]

Like I said before, in earlier games I tried to devote effort to solving without worryinf about appearances. I'm still learning the game. I ended up getting elimed the same day I replaced in, and the town never really got anything from that. I've never rolled scum on this website. So this time, I'm trying to act town first solve/assist solve second so I don't die. And Shelly's agressive push on me is interfering with my solve attempts, which will probably be thrown out when I die. That doesn't help town either.

My vote still stays on you because this reads AtE to me.

could be authentic townie emotion but let's see. town!plusjoy exists in a world if we are TvT-ing and can stop bickering

[shellyc]

Welcome Mundivore to the game!

hopefully this isn't another lurker

[shellyc]

PlusJoy please claim because you're at E-1

the survivalistic mindset is so scummy upon rereading, our wincon is to kick all the scum NOT stay alive

[shellyc]

Guys plusjoy outed scum here

I’m the doctor and doctor is impossible to be paired with a TFN

Hammer this right now

[shellyc]

Fuck.
I am the town friendly neighbor.

dude next game don't claim TFN as scum

I'm YOUR TOWN DOCTOR EVERYONE

[shellyc]

PlusJoy flips red and I get killed overnight. Still a protown trade

[shellyc]

Thank you PlusJoy for outing yourself. I'm doctor.

1. you never crumbed your role
2. you claimed at the worst time
3. doctor is impossible to be with TFN

[shellyc]

It's very, very simple. Just vote PlusJoy and we get scum d1

[shellyc]

But kill shelly for real, let them flip red (again) and I'll die from NK tonight

But lim PlusJoy for real, let them flip red and I'll die from the nightkill.

time to use my time to find the partner

[shellyc]

I know there is a Cop or Tracker in the game. They'll prove me right.

[shellyc]

PlusJoy consistently calls 72offsuit scum instead of targeting me after I made my case. Clear scum mindset because you know I am town

[shellyc]

I can give many, many other examples of a scum mindset. But most importantly they aren't TFN

[shellyc]

Or what if plus is town claiming a pr to not get eliminated? Huh maybe both are town? idk I want to say both are town but it does seem like that's prolly not the case

We can't be both town. Doc + TFN does not exist and VT does not gambit here in this situation
Retract now if you're gambiting because that was a pretty damn anti town gambit

[shellyc]

Who's your partner?

PlusJoy pocketed Noraa so they seem fairly town and PlusJoy would have insanely bussed 72offsuit if they were scum. Sirius also probs town for getting called out by plusjoy early on

I'm banking on Sceptorus or Frogster

[shellyc]

All I know is you'll flip red. Listen as scum here you should probably start thinking about self hammering.

[shellyc]

slight scum lean: sirius (could be either, but why are they acting like a jester? It only really benefits mafia, so I see them as mafia), sceptorus (inactive and agreeability), niaking (heavy lurking)

One of the three are probably scumbuddy here for attacking WITHOUT a vote on them

[shellyc]

Your defense is "kill shelly tmr"; that means nothing
if you're town!plusjoy and im outed scum, why would you just sit there instead of trying to solve

[shellyc]

I ain't self hammering as town.

Wow. that was exactly scum!me's defense when I got E-1 in 2019

[shellyc]

Your defense is "kill shelly tmr"; that means nothing
if you're town!plusjoy and im outed scum, why would you just sit there instead of trying to solve

cause im not long for this world and I've placed my faith in the town that your buddy will be found

town needs to find the scum. banking on others is a proscum mindset

[shellyc]

Now Noraa, don't get affected by the AtE. Think carefully because they obviously demonstrate a proscum mindset. Vote plusjoy because they're outed scum here

[shellyc]

They just TMI-ed.

PlusJoy just said I'll get elimed tmr, which will only happen if they get limmed today. they just gave up lol

[shellyc]

Emblematic of being pocketed by scum

it's an easy choice. just vote plusjoy here

pedit: why would you unvote? we can wait for a 2nd PR claim to disprove (or prove) the claim

[shellyc]

actually nvm an unvote is best here as we're waiting for a replacement

[shellyc]

*since the replacement could be the tracker / cop

[shellyc]

I still wish to stubbornly believe this is TvT even tho the odds of that happening seem a lil too small.....
Im not choosing a side until I hear some se opinions. I want to hear 72's, frogster's, and echo's

wtf we aren't TvT. Noraa is this a scumslip? a sane townie wouldnt think this is TvT

[shellyc]

I'll take that as a compliment

but you're still scum here

[shellyc]

Yeah I'd like the tracker/jailkeeper to claim now so we know who is scum

a townie being cc'd would know that their cc is scum, so "we know who is scum" does not make sense

[shellyc]

Btw that might be fishing with PRs so be careful

since I'll die tonight you only get one night of investigative info

[shellyc]

Heading to bed now and please just lim the free scum

[shellyc]

WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU DO THAT
WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING THROUGH YOUR HEAD
WHAT
WHY
WHY WOULD YOU EVER DO THAT
IT'S DAY 1
WHY WOULD YOU CLAIM SUCH AN IMPORTANT PR
WHY THE FUCK
WHAT
WHY
WHAT

I just woke up 10 mins ago I AM SORRY FOR EXPOSING MYSELF

NOW LISTEN WHY WOULD SCUM!ME CC A PR FOR NO REASON WHEN THE CLAIM WAS FUCKED AND I JUST GOT A TR? I just read up to here imma continue with my reading now. head hurts so im just throwing out my thoughts

btw hey Redados, how's it going?

[shellyc]

shelly didn't have to counterclaim, it would've been so easy to say "oh yeah okay if nobody gets a pm tonight then we lynch that bitch weed tomorrow and we hunt for his buddy right now let's go town woo go team"

Listen as scum here I have no need to claim and claiming brings me no benefit

I claimed to out plusjoy

[shellyc]

Do the same as far as counterclaiming, that is. Asking for the claim in the first place was admittedly quite bold.

Asked for it since from my scum experiences scum would love to claim a PR d1 to fish out real prs

[shellyc]

*and I thought plusjoy would claim a PR, allowing me to cc and prove it wrong

[shellyc]

I'm kinda pissed at how freaking dumb shelly is being rn. Regardless of alignment this push has been agressive as hell and self sacrificing considering they are gonna get elimed tomorrow. But I'm still pretty bad at this game, so whatevs. I'm gonna be extremely pissed if shelly doesn't flip tomorrow, and outraged if they flip VT cause they were cocky about me flipping red.

im not being dumb i was excited to prove you wrong

scum!me never, ever throws away the chance to nightkill the TFN

[shellyc]

what the fuck

did y'all post 10 pages or something

[shellyc]

I'm going to reevaluate the situation leading up to the claims from a scum!shelly perspective who believes if she does not counterclaim, she will be lynched instead.

In hindsight shelly's ISO looked pretty good, the only part I disagreed with was when she ruled out PLUS + sirius.

I'm also not interested in hearing from the replacement slot for this same reason. I'll townread anyone who helps me quickhammer PLUS.

I won't be taking this free town pass bc I believe in plus and his pure townie energy(I stole this line from someone, can't remember who, but I think I heard it a while ago)

give me copyright for pure town energy

[shellyc]

I'm going to reevaluate the situation leading up to the claims from a scum!shelly perspective who believes if she does not counterclaim, she will be lynched instead.

In hindsight shelly's ISO looked pretty good, the only part I disagreed with was when she ruled out PLUS + sirius.

I'm also not interested in hearing from the replacement slot for this same reason. I'll townread anyone who helps me quickhammer PLUS.

I won't be taking this free town pass bc I believe in plus and his pure townie energy(I stole this line from someone, can't remember who, but I think I heard it a while ago)

I can't believe shelly would sac in that situation.

I agree. Almost feels like a vendetta against me or some shit cause it doesn't make sense.

hm just went back a few pages. this post caught my attention. not too great to assume people hold grudges against you throughout games(they would have to be real petty for that to happen imo) unless u were super rude or something. speaking of which have u been in a game with shelly before?

PlusJoy and me in 2023
Redados and me in 2029

that's it

[shellyc]

noraa stop being naïve, they’re not both town

yeah wtf noraa WE'RE NOT BOTH TOWN

[shellyc]

....and it seems we have ourselves another shelly Very sus of everyone u r sir

SR-ing everyone actually leans town

[shellyc]

Let me calm down for a sec

WTF TOWN. WHY ARE WE SELF DESCTURCTING AND VOTECOUNT PLEASE ASAP

[shellyc]

PlusJoy and me in 2023
Redados and me in 2029

and i played with frogster in 2025

[shellyc]

Readslist

Noraa: New and confused town or scum. VERY CONFUSING PLAY, VERY POOR INSISTENCE AT US BEING TvT. Posting feels like me in 2019, few to no reads, scum!them playing chaos style to distract the town from reads
Redados: Gives me a DIFFERENT VIBE. Intentional "hammer", 825 wants to go me BUT VOTED FOR PLUSJOY EARLIER: contradiction. Sceptorus was also playing very agreeable which is scummy
Frogsterking: "I think shelly and plusjoy are town" YOU ARE AN SE DUDE! but giving thoughts and also tries to solve, null leaning town
Echovision: almost hard town, shows geniune emotion and town energy when I claimed
Mundivore: definitely easier to read than the predecesor, placing huge effort to gamesolve, decent reads, second best TR
72offsuit: knowledge of plusjoy being scum does make them look better. leaning town on casing plusjoy but they've disappeared
Sirius: VI / jester style of play, anti-town but that seems quite implausible as scum. NULL BUT A HAIR TRIGGER FROM DROPPING TO SCUM

[shellyc]

im very tired and my head hurts a lot, tell me if that doesn't make sense

[shellyc]

Like the 4th time I've said this, but it honestly makes no sense why shelly would counter claim here. Does she think she can get away it when I flip? It seems super cocky to think so.

thank you for TMI-ing

it makes 0 sense because I'm town here and claimed to get rid of you

[shellyc]

Heavily agreeing with others is an indication of no original thoughts and an attempt at pocketing.

however digging up self posts is definitely protown

[shellyc]

where is plusjoy at btw

were they hammered? im confused

[shellyc]

"reaction test" good excuse

plusjoy hasnt played any scumgames, nothing to go off in terms of meta

[shellyc]

Shelly it's starting to get on my nerves that you think it's ok to just throw this game away. Regardless of alignment, fake claiming here is just really dumb or cocky that you think you can live when I flip green.

Yeah I get it I kinda messed up by exposing yourself here, but i've exposed you in return.

I expect to get nightkilled after you flip red, so i'll be getting my thoughts out

[shellyc]

*exposing myself as the TPR

[shellyc]

I changed my mind after seeing his reaction to being "limmed".

don't listen to scum theatre, listen to good old logic please

- scum!me has no need to claim it: read my above posts ive said this enough times
- the claim was super wack and at the worst time ever
- Read plusjoy's ISO overall. I see no indication of a town mindset at all

[shellyc]

I did AtE at E-1 in 2019

it's exactly the same. listen to logic not emotion.

[shellyc]

it's not the emotion, it's the motives. PlusJoy has scum motives looking in their ISO. Lim me today and get plusjoy tomorrow, sure.

[shellyc]

If you are town, you did your job. You claimed and took down scum. The scum you took down will die. You succeeded.
If you are scum, you messed up and you will die. You will either get limmed today or you will get limmed day two. End of story.

The only scenario in which you don't die is if we lim Plusjoy today and he flips scum. However, Plusjoy claimed a role which can be verified, so why not verify it?

If you are town, it is okay to die. Why are you freaking out?
If you are scum, it is not okay to die, so I would understand why you are freaking out.

unrelated note: this sounds poetic

I am always overdefensive of myself. Reference: Newbie 2025. i am trying to get rid of this tendency but I just freak out when I see votes on myself knowing it's a mislim

but you're right. if I flip green plusjoy is outed to y'all

[shellyc]

That's why I'm trying to get my thoughts out

Redados brings an IIoA vibe to me in this game

are you an SE now, redados?

[shellyc]

unrelated note: PAGETOP

[shellyc]

Mundivore's plan fails if setup is A1

[shellyc]

He's played in two games with me. him spitting mafia theory gave me an SE vibe lol

[shellyc]

IIoA = Information INstead of Analysis.

Sure if you think that way, explaining the columns does clear up the gamestate

[shellyc]

wtf are you doing Noraa

gives me vibes from my game in 2019 and you've done nothing

give you reads now

[shellyc]

The only thing stopping me from killing Shelly is that, they are a newbie, and from previous Marathons they seem to be......

seem to be what

why are you giving me a townpass as a newbie

[shellyc]

Shelly, answer the foloowing 3 quesitons:

1. Who is most possible scum team?
2. Who is most town?
3. Who will you send a TFN, assuming your real?

1. It's PlusJoy / Redados. Redados flip-flopping and their vibe is different from the two towngames i've played with them and plusjoy lock scum
2. Echovision town explained (emotion and reactions), also Mundivore town for putting in effort to solve and a town mindset
3. I am not the TFN. I am the doctor. I will save Echovision tonight

[shellyc]

PlusJoy / Noraa also works imo

[shellyc]

why are you giving me a TOWNPASS as a newbie

[shellyc]

ok
townie reaction achieved
imo a +3% on town rating

what is this pocket?

how do you determine how much town rating is added?

[shellyc]

lmao you can't even send a message cause you're scum
plusjoy/redados and plusjoy/noraa are my top solves

[shellyc]

imo 2/3 of the questions were townie reactions.

how in the world is that a town reaction

finding a lazy way to pocket me?

[shellyc]

basically ur saying it doesn't matter what but I'm scum cuz I said we should lim a jester that isn't helping town at all. am I wrong? you've said like maybe 1 helpful thing this whole time. I've asked u for a read multiple time and u never gave me one. ur not helping anything whereas if we mislynch an active pr(both shelly and plus are active), it sucks much more than mislynching an unactive player(doesn't matter what ur role is). Even if you are a pr, ur doing absolutely nothing beneficial to town. If ur jail keeper or cop or tracker, then u can argue when you get to E-1. I think its 100% fair if town lims u for not helping or even trying to do absolutely anything

what is this Noraa

we definitely lim plusjoy / me today, this is an attempt to save plusjoy

[shellyc]

lmao imo i would be inclined to agree with sirius' push

noraa is just noobtown or scum, most likely scum

[shellyc]

Listen now. Look at my aforementioned wall. Look at the survivalist mindset. They clearly want to survive; which is furthering the scum wincon

Look at how they sit on the fence, look at how they aren't even trying to solve. Look at how they AtE'd Noraa, look at how they were image consious.

If they claimed anything else I would still lim them. But most importantly, they aren't the TFN because I AM YOUR DOCTOR.

Imagine a world with town!plus and scum!shelly. Scum!me just got a TR from 72offsuit and was at what, E-3. PlusJoy's claim was wack as heck and they would probs still get elimed. Why not just get plusjoy d1 and leaving both scum up into d2?

PlusJoy has played quite well, manipulating you all with AtE at E-0. Look at how they fish for PRs. Look at how they try to fish for the tracker.

I had no need to claim as scum. I claimed to get rid of plusjoy. Because they fakeclaimed. Lim them today and we get a free red. Lim me today and watch me flip

Town Doctor.

Either way I've proven them as scum.

[shellyc]

Yeah that's probably E-2 {me, you, 72offsuit}

[shellyc]

anyone "accidentally hammers" they are scum imo. people have mentioned not doing this so many times that NO ONE can say its an accident.

why is a hammer scum when plusjoy flips red

[shellyc]

VOTECOUNT PLEASE im puzzled now

[shellyc]

doesn't matter if he's scum or not. "accidentally hammering" is a scumtell imo

just because everyone tells you to not do it doesn't mean it's the protown thing to do

this is flawed logic

[shellyc]

*doesn't mean it can't be the protown thing to do

[shellyc]

im just ignoring plusjoy's posts at this point

[shellyc]

you haven't proven anything, you've only provided evidence for your point of view.

hi stats guy

Yeah so what do you expect from me then?

[shellyc]

I think plus's comments at e-0 definitely imply some kind of intent, as though she was aware the game was not over, regardless of AI. Otherwise I don't believe it makes sense for her to have continued posting in the way that she had. She did not emotionally react to the hammer in my opinion, though I'll need to reread it. It seems like town!plus in that situation might have pointed out that she was not dead. I think that plus attempting to theater in that situation is not entirely AI either even if we could prove it was theater. I would be hammering plus because it makes more sense not because she theatered in that situation.

this is just fence-sitting: "imply intent" "did not emotionally react" but "not entirely AI"

[shellyc]

a townie SE reaction

what is a "townie SE reaction" why do SEs have special treatment

[shellyc]

PlusJoy bussing you?

never believed that you will hammer me

[shellyc]

I'm not ignoring your posts and I know your scum. Sounds like a desperate tunnel to me

let me explain to town. So now i know PlusJoy is outed, they would do things to frame partnerships after they die, so I should disregard their posts at this point to make a better decision on the solve.

[shellyc]

If the setup is A1 and plusjoy is scum I will be RB'd and plusjoy will be able to kill my announced save

[shellyc]

*and as I know plusjoy is scum

[shellyc]

if frog dies, then shelly is def not doctor

the possibility of roleblocker exists

roleblocker can roleblock me and my save fails

[shellyc]

what the fuck...

?????????

[shellyc]

@mod requesting a votecount

[shellyc]

wtf?????

[shellyc]

Redados' "hammer" was the E-1 vote

Redados, Frogster, me and Sirius were the votes if I recall this correctly

[shellyc]

2024 just finished and we're close to catching up to the 2024 postcount

despite this game at d1

[shellyc]

Day's ending in 23 hours - who's online to hammer it?

[shellyc]

completely unrelated note: I’m just 16 posts away from getting a new title

[shellyc]

Wait PlusJoy is just at E-3 wtf

[shellyc]

Nikahang literally did one thing throughout the game

voted for me and nothing else

[shellyc]

Mundivore.

[shellyc]

Sheeping me again - my slight SR on redados and TR mundivore

[shellyc]

I think I had a sr on redados long before u did @shelly
I could've remembered wrong but that's how I remembered it

Order of operations:
1) Shelly goes to sleep
2) I replace in
3) I talk
4) You scumread me
5) Shelly wakes up
6) You brag to Shelly about scumreading me before she did

lol

I expressed an SR on Sceptorus early on let me find it

[shellyc]

3. sceptorus has been producing almost 0 content and agreed with the views by others, scummier at the moment

here we go