Xenogears Mafia (Game Over)

[BROseidon]

This game.

I don't even...

Varsoon what the fuck are you doing

[BROseidon]

Bro, this makes little sense. Your differing conviction from beginning to end makes very little sense especially when I know you want to hard scum read mala. Why does it come off as if you have no strong opinion on scum?

I wouldn't say that it's differing conviction. I feel strongly that Mala is scum. I have a few other things that I don't want to reveal because ~reasons~. Other than that, I'm feeling isolated and confused. I've been under attack for the entire duration of this game, and I've been trying to defend myself adequately while still pushing to find scum. The nick/bnb flips and some other stuff has made me come to realize that I need to recalibrate. I'm hoping to skim through the entire game again, or various chunks of it, to hopefully glean a better understanding of the gamestate.

[BROseidon]

Unless Ghost is able to magically change his entire attitude when he posts as scum, this is town Ghost.

[BROseidon]

Also someone said TD is conf-town, how is that?

No.

Also, my game with Ghost-scum:

Here

He's a lot more waffley and a lot less abrasive in how he interacts with everyone.

[BROseidon]

My "no" was me saying "no I'm not going to succumb to your digging." Not "I don't think it's true."

[BROseidon]

NS you are the worst.

Also, muffin and mastin, you are scumreading both me and Mala. You would have to conclude that I've been hard-bussing the slot all game. Is this correct, and would you still push for me tomorrow if Mala flips scum?

[BROseidon]

Actually, I was going to before reading through the full day, but her approach seemed greatly altered. I was going to sit on it a while. The exchange between her and bro was interesting in the fact that it made bro look awful and mala look townie when put in a vacuum. I've been re-reading her and sitting for today just to make sure I'm not going confirmation bias on her with Rach.

How does it make me look awful and Mala look townie?

[BROseidon]

This was particularly bad attempt to paraphrase or misrep as it bears very little to the actual content to said quoted mala post.

What about it is bad or misrep? Make unsubstantiated claims more pls.

w does this make sense in the context of the point your making? It makes it look like mastin's wagon was scum driven with you on it, and FTL's was town driven, lacking you. This almost works for Trust fund better because the delivery looks like you're mashing issues together and trying to force an answer that does not exist to this equation.

Town are often on scum-driven wagons; they have to be for a lynch to go through. Town-me could easily have been on wagons with other scum and not on wagons with town. Like, this is just basic counting.

This is incredibly bad. Period. There is nothing here that looks good.

How is this bad? I assigned relative probabilities. I didn't say how those probabilities lined up with other probabilities.

BnB goes town to being pressured today to town if nick is scum. But, you have BnB being scum because nick town, saying you would 'have to back off' yet this didn't happen. So what you've done is lied twice in two different ways, one about your bnb read and two about how you were playing this day. You certainly didn't back off to re-access your reads today, just pushed forward. That's the mistake I'm worried of right now. Especially seeing what you've done not making any adjustments.

This is just an outright lie. I have not flipped on my BnB read. I had "BnB or nick is scum, mutually exclusive. I think it's nick, so I'll vote there. Okay, turns out I was wrong, I'll have to push BnB tomorrow. Scum killed her and proved that I'm wrong." That is not me lying about anything. That is me having a thought process that attempts to recalibrate for new information because, *gasp*, I'm town and don't actually know who the scum are.

And I didn't back off of Venmar or Mala at the start because the Mala read was independent of the nick read, as was the Venmar read. You completely neglected to mention the part, however, where I FUCKING PUT EVERYONE IN THE NULL RANGE BECAUSE OF MY LEVEL OF UNCERTAINTY THERE. However, stuff that's happened today that MALA HAS REACTED EXTREMELY POORLY TO implies that I can sort things out a bit better once I get a good chunk of time to reread a ton of shit with a few key points in mind.

[BROseidon]

Mastin, three rocks make a wall.

Oh god I hope I'm not the only person who knows what that means.

[BROseidon]

Oh bugger off. I don't have a bad attitude, either, I think you're using that word wrong. I've got issues with Bro here, and the fact that he hasn't even stopped to consider makes me worried that, like yesterday, he's trying to pull me into a lynch I had already championed to get an easy mislynch and have me share blame with him so he could push me forward first. BnB had to tell him to back off before he actually stopped early D2 (I hadn't even signed in for D2 and he was acting as if I was going to support him all the way through and buddying up to me. I don't like that).

Dat misrep.

I stated that things that you said on day 1 were in line with what I was thinking about the gamestate. So you don't like that I cited stuff you brought up, basically.

Okay, guess agreeing with other people's points ever is buddying

[BROseidon]

Alright bro, since you brought up the post I have issues with, let's talk about it.
1. You've bitched about it too. So has Desp, so has muffin. I've mentioned it. So if you want to use this, you're out of your mind.
2. She calls two people town on her wagon, and tou take that to "Fence sitting". She had a definite opinion there, so calling it fence sitting is a lie.
3. I won't argue this.
4. Aren't you trying to make a claim that mala is scum and failing logic 101 but for one point that I brought up on d1? I'd call that fairly unsubstantiated.
5. Do you have a good idea of what fence sit means? She called Ghostlin a scum lean. Jesus, fence this, fence that and you wonder why I'm saying this is bad. Your whole vocabulary for this post was 'fence sit'.
6. Like you're discrediting her. If you look into it, she townreads mac, but disagrees. Now, she could state what she does, but she gives a clear opinion on it.
7. "Fence sitting" Please use this word in a sentence not including The Eagles hit "Desperado". I disagree with your usage in all but one place.

Let's go through these one by one, shall we?

I tried to do something during Day 1. I was getting scum read for catching up and interacting with players and posting my thoughts and chasing after my highest scum read.

These same said people who were voting me for being scum D1 are still alive and voting for me D2.

Although some of the people on my wagon currently I feel are town. So there's a chance this may be a town driven wagon (AJ, Mastin)

Mala concedes here "I don't like that people scumread me for doing something, so I'm just not going to do anything." That is clearly a very towny reaction to have, instead of scum trying to lurk away pressure and not leave anything behind. Clearly. It's especially awkward because she says that SHE THINKS PEOPLE ON HER WAGON ARE TOWN. IF SHE THINKS THAT, WHY DOESN'T SHE TRY TO DO ANYTHING WITH THEM AT ALL.

Nick did a crazy flip flop on me from Day 1 and it looks survivalist at this point. Which in both ways can be a town tell or a scum tell, but I might be leaning on a scum tell at this point with one scum dead.

You already agree with me here. Moving on.

BRO is probably scum due to the NK.

What I'm bringing up is the fact that Mala uses the NK to try to throw shade on me, despite the fact that SoS is a huge threat to anybody as scum. I was a viable wagon at that point; a lot of people were (and still are) scumreading me, including powerful players back then (bnb, Nacho, etc). It's a lazy way to try to appear like she's thinking, but her logic doesn't hold because it's not a point about why I am scum over

the fast majority of players that would want ffery and GiF out early

. I also don't actually get what you're contesting me about here because your semantics are vague as fuck. If you'd clarify what "but for one point that I brought up on d1? I'd call that fairly unsubstantiated." is supposed to mean?

Ghostlin is fuck tunneling so I'm not sure, but due to him misrepping me I'm leaning scum.

I use "fence-sit" here because her language is slightly hedged in the first half. She's saying that he's a slight scum read, but the level of uncertainty and weakness she applies to the read in the first half of the sentence is worrysome.

Mac is just a confused townie.

There's a difference between discrediting and trying to argue against. I've been arguing against people all game. I've gone through points and tried to articulate, in great detail, why I feel the way I do. That's engagement. What Mala does here is discredit; she says "Oh Mac is town but he's just being wrong" with the implication that ignoring him for a while is fine. That is not a town way to approach things because it lessens the flow of information and invalidates opinions without trying to better understand where those opinions come from.

I'm "eh" on FTL at this point. Something in Day 2 that was posted is making me think town. No I won't point it out. so I'm having mixed feels right now.

The problem I have is that she's not decisive in how she says she's unsure in her read. If she'd said "I'm unsure of FTL," that would have sufficed. Why did she include the additional qualifiers?

[BROseidon]

I hate this argument. Scum reads are not required to work together. That you're using it to defend yourself leaves a really bad taste in my mouth.

...why does it leave a bad taste in your mouth that I think that it's fucking dumb not to consider how your reads work together. Seriously, scum don't fucking exist in a vacuum. Why are you adverse to using that fact to scumhunt?

[BROseidon]

He worries me, his attitude personally pisses me off to no end, and it's almost unbearable to read how emotionally caught up he tries to appear to be. The same could be said for a lot of players, so attitude wise I prefer to think I've taken the right approach in not using so much AtE you could serve it by the pound at a steak shop.

...Those emotions aren't fake.

If you flip scum I'm actually fucking blacklisting you for trying to use my emotions to make a case against me. That's how offensive this is to me. If you're just town and being wrong, then you're just a fucking idiot, but not a huge dick.

And it's fucking sad that, despite the fact that you claim I've served "so much AtE you could serve it by the pound at a steak shop," I still have gone into far more detail about my thought processes than the vast majority of this game.

[BROseidon]

Mala should stop ATEing ;-;

Maybe you should fucking play the goddamn game holy shit.

[BROseidon]

Mac -> leaning town gives off the PR vibe

Oh yes, claiming a PR gives off a PR vibe, methinks

[BROseidon]

Because you are making a conditional statement (If Mala is scum, I am not) and then applying the statement in a way to make you appear to be town without satisfying the condition first. It's really underhanded.

And scum don't exist in a vacuum, but what constitutes scum-scum interaction and how associative tells actually work are just about the most subjective aspect of mafia in my opinion, and the argument that because you've been FOSing Mala since day one, you couldn't possibly be scum together, does not align with my perspective. Do you honestly believe that a Mala scum flip would clear you as town?

Re the first paragraph:

Also, muffin and mastin, you are scumreading both me and Mala. You would have to conclude that I've been hard-bussing the slot all game. Is this correct, and would you still push for me tomorrow if Mala flips scum?

This is not a defense. This is me trying to gauge where other people stand (also, this wasn't addressed to you and you felt compelled to respond to it. Why?). That you paint this as me defending myself when, at best, it's an incredibly indirect defense, compared to the insane amount of actual defense I have done over the past two days is extremely scummy.

Second, this entire game is subjective. I'm not saying, "OMG I SCUMREAD MALA EARLY THEREFORE CAN'T BE SCUM TOGETHER." What I'm

asking

is "does this look like S/S interaction to you."

A Mala scumflip only clears me as town if enough people think that it wasn't a S/S interaction. I'm not going to argue more than that.

[BROseidon]

Priorities:

1) Find scum
2) Don't get mislynched

I'm 2-2 in games where I've been mislynched/vigged. I'm 5-0 in games where I've been NK'd or survived. Clearly not getting mislynched is a good thing to do as town.

Ugh this reminds me that I need to update my wiki page with my 2 recently completed games >.>

[BROseidon]

Mastin, why would wayne being blocked bode poorly for AJ?

[BROseidon]

For all we know it could be an SK pretending to be a x-shot vig?

This is mod-confirmed one-faction scum.

[BROseidon]

Well, there's a minor logical jump involved. If wayne's slot was blocked, then they were blocked for a reason. If they were blocked for a reason, then it's typically because they had a reason to be blocked. One reason to block a claimed 1-shot vig who's taken a shot is that you fear scum will be hit and the vig was lying about being 1-shot.

Except I ISO'd Mutt to see if he left any indication of who he'd have targeted next. I found nothing. He spent all of day two with "I SHOT MY WHOLE LOAD ON SAKI LAWL."

So why would scum be afraid of him hitting again if 1) He'd claimed 1-shot and 2) There was no indication of who he'd target next if he were lying, and would thus be more likely to hit town than scum.

[BROseidon]

Those semantics are null.

[BROseidon]

The tone of the bolded sentence is clearly meant to imply a defense

Feel free to read into stuff that isn't there more.

[BROseidon]

I'm giving effort, but this time it's not walls. Styles change, people change.

Apparently we have very different definitions of effort.

[BROseidon]

Why is AJ town?

I'm going with Thezmon's read on him which I think them playing offsite he would know how to read him better than the rest of it. Along with the fact AJ's been chasing down me along with others. I do think he's solidly town

So, you

are

scum...

I'm seeing what you're seeing

Also, this feels parallel to how I sheeped Nacho's read of Rach in Xenoblade because "he knew how to read her better."

[BROseidon]

Hey dopog, venmar claimed miller before he left. Confirm that it's true plz kthnx.

Cabd, can you stop doing 1/2 assed reaction tests and actually play the game. I know you're a better player than this.

[BROseidon]

I'm Elhaym Van Houten, Battle Mage of the Nisan Alliance. I'm a Town JK.

Night 1 I JK'd AJ.
Night 2 I JK'd Mac

No JK on SoS
No JK on BnB
No JK on mastin
No JK on Muffin

This claim reeks.

[BROseidon]

(coz, you know, if i were a town JK, i'd be on the CLAIMED INNOCENT CHILD 24/7 if i wasn't trying to roleblock my scum reads, and mac and AJ don't match up with your supposed scum reads)

In all fairness, scum have plenty of time to shoot NS.

I wouldn't have jailed him were I a town JK. I'd have jailed SoS/BnB. You know, players who were solidly town and having impact.

[BROseidon]

She chose to use it offensively instead of defensively.
So she chose to RB instead of Doc.

Why are you answering for her and giving a different response from her?

[BROseidon]

On AJ too?

I don't know how to gauge whether the lie is in the "why," the "Aj is town," or both.

pedit: You thought Aj would get killed over a hydra of two players who were both individually more active than Aj? Wat.

[BROseidon]

I got 5 mins before work. Bro basically you are disagreein with AJ. This same arguement applies to anyone more active than AJ. I didn't think Fery was going to die N1.

Okay, let me ask this in the clearest way possible:

Why did you think Aj would die over SoS, BnB, or any other similar player with a much higher profile than Aj?

[BROseidon]

I chose AJ because I really, really thought he was going to be NK'd. Why he was hunting and I really didn't see scum intent towards the end. Plus he pushed Rach hard.

This is, like 2/10 on detail.

I'm looking for a 9/10 or 10/10, which you have not given.

[BROseidon]

It would help clear him up, but I would understand not JKing him because he's not being obvtown (and when it's known single-scumfaction a JK is best used early to protect over block)

[BROseidon]

BORK PLS
YOU ROBBED ME OF MY KILL LAST GAME
THIS DOESNT HELP NONE

Technically, I robbed you of your kill last game...

[BROseidon]

anyway, remaining scum is in:

nacho, bro, AJ, desperado

Why is it bothering me that I agree with this list sans me...

[BROseidon]

Also, in case anyone was wondering, my awkward "I need to reset my reads because reasons" was because it took me a while to catch the Venmar crumbs >.>

[BROseidon]

part of me really wants us to have a mass claim today

Bad idea is bad. We should hold off a few more days before we claim.

[BROseidon]

err, massclaim >.>

[BROseidon]

Naw, I'm thinking Desp/Aj/Nacho now. TF still isn't rubbing me the right way, but I'm solidly townreading the rest of the game.

Trying to decide which of those three I want to wagon most now.

[BROseidon]

There's also not an actual reason to lynch me.

But there aren't reasons

not

to lynch you either, which given your normal MO is disconcerting for obvious reasons.

[BROseidon]

I feel like they've kinda slipped by until today despite doing some questionable things.

Oh yes, being one of the main suspects in days two and three and interacting with everyone in a bunch of ways during that time is clearly me "slipping by."

Clearly.

[BROseidon]

2shot cop
and vanilla cop
is weird as hell
with an INNO and MASONS

Except for the fact that scum have flipped 1 strong PR and 1 PR that may have been strong as well.

There could only be 2 masons. I haven't bothered looking for crumbs and don't really care to at this point.

IC is only somewhat powerful, and very hard to play optimally.

Both claimed investigative PRs are heavily gated (cop gets vanillaized if he doesn't catch scum, vanilla cop is weak already and then further gated by being non-consecutive).

[BROseidon]

I don't like the bro tie to tf

You mean that awkward as reaction test Cabd pulled on me that literally did nothing?

Yeah, real "tie" there...

[BROseidon]

I think AJ is the correct vote today. Any opposed?

Not opposed, but not sure it's optimal compared to Desp or Nacho.

[BROseidon]

desperado/aj/bro, then.

Are you going to actually do anything, or just hope town implodes on itself so you can walk to an easy win?

[BROseidon]

you're actually a moron if you think this is more likely to come from scum than town.

But the fact is that it could have come from scum, and the QT could have coached Anti through it. It'd be dumb to give the slot a free pass.

[BROseidon]

1. Aj The Epic
4. BROseidon
7. Ghostlin
20. Antihero
21. zMuffinMan

Why are Nacho and Desp not in this list?

[BROseidon]

But not Andy? Hmm. Nacho because I've never felt he was scum. My last list just consisted of the lynch pool of those people weren't saying was confirmed. Desp because I forgot. Think that's a slip right there BRO.

I was asking about why my main scumreads weren't in there. You called it your list of suspicion, not the "not conftown group."

[BROseidon]

My question wasn't referential to your previous list.

[BROseidon]

First this:

Also, I lied. So there's that~

Can we link Varsoon to this game after it's done to demonstrate how to properly execute a reaction test?

And now the story changes to this?

I don't like the bro tie to tf

You mean that awkward as reaction test Cabd pulled on me that literally did nothing?

Yeah, real "tie" there...

There have been no tangible results to your reaction test. It didn't help shake any suspicion of me, nor did it make me more comfortable of your alignment in any way.

[BROseidon]

Mod: I will be V/LA through this Sunday

[BROseidon]

DESPERADO/BRO, FULLCLAIM KIDS

Why the fuck would I ever claim before L-1 ever?

[BROseidon]

You're a strong possibility for scum, several power roles have outted and will be shot over you because they are NOT scumspects, and one of you three clearing yourselves would tell me that something's gone and I could start reanalyzing now as opposed to later.

If I'm a super-strong PR that's a threat to scum, they'll know that I'm potentially a threat that needs to get shot. If I'm a weak PR/Vanilla/negative utility, scum know not to shoot me and push a lynch on me.

If you're so sure that the scumteam is all PRs, wouldn't it make sense to just have FTL investigate me?

[BROseidon]

If you're so sure that the scumteam is all PRs, wouldn't it make sense to just have FTL investigate me?

what does this even mean...?

VT result would exonerate me, PR claim would increase likelihood of me being scum if you act under the assumption of an all-PR scumteam, no?

[BROseidon]

Yeah. Except if you claim vanilla townie beforehand, it's a cop investigation.

How does the information from a vanilla result change if I claim vanilla beforehand?

[BROseidon]

So if I were non-vanilla scum I'd claim vanilla at this point because...

[BROseidon]

1) If I'm a strong town PR, I'm not going to fucking reveal it.

2) If I'm not, I'm not going to tell scum not to kill me.

[BROseidon]

If you want a claim out of me, get town to run me up to L-1.

Your plan is bad and you should feel bad.

[BROseidon]

To have me claim so that FTL could see if I'd lie about whether I'm vanilla when there's a vanilla cop in play.

[BROseidon]

Scum having all PRs with a Vanilla cop in play would be, like, shit-tier design, especially given how limited the town-power we have claimed at this point is.

Every town PR claim has been either not particularly implicitly super-powerful (IC), gated in some way (Anti's cop that goes away after 2 innocents, Wayne's 2-shot), or both (FTL's non-consecutive modifier, Mac's neighborizer, Mastin's whole role).

We also have 4 VT flips, and there are probably more VTs in play. No way scum is 5 PRs vs. that. That seems highly implausible.

[BROseidon]

Why won't you claim PR/Not-PR? That takes away your previous concern, doesn't it?

A vanilla claim would further steer scum away from me.

The claiming this game has been aggressive as and I'm generally not a fan. I don't see why we've been giving scum so much information for free.

[BROseidon]

You think they are going to be "oh, BRO is totally a PR and not lynchable as shit" and then shoot the fuck out of you without knowing for sure?

Why give them certainty in this instead of giving them the option to choose wrong?

[BROseidon]

You sure it's not a scum bussing plan that was hatched in your QT and that there was some sort of disagreement with?

That would require me to be scum.

So yeah, pretty sure

[BROseidon]

I'm like 50% following the thread right now, since I'm watching League worlds and should also be doing the work that I went V/LA to get done >.>

[BROseidon]

Muffin using the indicative instead of the subjunctive OP.

What you said did mean that Rach's powers affected the current game state. What you should have said is, "RM's role would have interfered with town roles in some way."

[BROseidon]

I'll catch up fully with the game tomorrow, and decide where I want to drop my vote based on that.

[BROseidon]

Back from V/LA, but about to go to bed. Gonna try to catch up tomorrow.

[BROseidon]

are you reading the game because im not quite a neighbouriser and have claimed so. my role is pretty powerful but is indeed gated in it's own special way.

You only soft-claimed, it seems, and I'd forgotten about that when I was writing that post.

[BROseidon]

so she couldnt activate her (in my opinion) OP ability

Why do you have an opinion on an ability we didn't get to see?

[BROseidon]

You getting cleared is far more important than you surviving one more night.

I can get cleared later. I'll claim when I'm put under pressure.

[BROseidon]

Re-fucking-gardless, you're Vanilla, Nacho. Even if you are scum , I'd rather use the day to catch a scum PR than a Scum Goon.

This logic's bad and you should feel bad.

[BROseidon]

Can we lynch both Aj and Nacho?

I mean, like, today. Not, "one today, one tomorrow." I want them both dead now.

VOTE: Aj

L-1

[BROseidon]

Dat quickhammer->hydraslip combo.

[BROseidon]

1) We don't know how strong RM's "gifts" would have been. They might have all been fairly weak (1-day voteless, etc).

2) "I'd rather try to manage exactly the order in which we lynch a scumteam instead of just lynching scum."

[BROseidon]

In case it isn't obvious, I'm an advocate for just going after scum and not managing order (except in weird endgame multiball cases).

[BROseidon]

I'd be surprised if we're not at 10:2.

I'm fine with massclaim this round. I think Condorcet would be appropriate for determining order.

VOTE: Nacho

I don't see massclaim changing my push of Nacho with a side of Desp today.

[BROseidon]

Fine, if we're popcorn:

VT, popcorn ghost, since you, TD, and Mac are the only ones left without full-claims, and you're the only non-copped one of the group.

We have:

2. Andrius - Supersaint
4. BROseidon - VT
5. Desperado - VT
6. Faster Than Light - Non-consecutive Vanilla cop
7. Ghostlin
8. Mac
10. Nachomamma8 - VT (via FTL)

14. notscience - IC

16. waynegg - 2-shot Vig
18. TiphaineDeath
19. Trust Fund - 1-shot Vanillaizer
20. Antihero - Cop (sort of...)

[BROseidon]

Because I don't remember the fuck my character's name is.

Let me look at that while this game of LoL loads...

[BROseidon]

Citan Uzuki

[BROseidon]

Sucks to be China indeed.

I was rooting for them too until SKT T1 started wrecking them...

[BROseidon]

TF how are you still not townreading Ghost?

This is very town ghost.

[BROseidon]

NS why don't you try writing cases/making arguments instead of just coasting on your conf-town status.

I'm growing wary of TF as well, but they're still a lower priority to me than Nacho/Desp.

[BROseidon]

Also where the fuck is everybody?

[BROseidon]

Muffin was going to be a hard mislynch to push, although the kill choice, if anything, weakens the validity of the cop claim.

[BROseidon]

Muffin was really obviously scum mason hunting. Speaking of other mason still needs to step forward.

Why would masons ever step forward except in the round before expect XyLo?

[BROseidon]

Or you don't reveal who the mason(s) are unless they are about to be lynched.

And you don't completely ignore the possibility of the cop play being a gambit.

And yeah the fact that NS is alive at this point is ridiculous.

[BROseidon]

^Or they reveal in the round before XyLo.

Seriously, wtf is with people and their premature claiming this game.

[BROseidon]

Are you shit because of lack of skill, or because of lack of effort? I've always assumed it's just the latter.

[BROseidon]

Then that would just be a lack of effort. With effort comes skill.

Here, let's play a game.

NS, you start trying, and i'll start not being upset that you don't try. You have conftown status; use it.

[BROseidon]

1) Talk to Ghost. It's his turn.

2) Oh yes, let's not encourage the IC to be productive. Wait...

And do you have anything useful to say, or are you going to continue to coast by you scummy fuck.

[BROseidon]

I see that you're trying to goad me.

Won't work. I have my good friend Lucretius here to keep me calm ^_^

pedit: It's useful 1) Because it adds a productive player who can contribute without me having to question their motivations and 2) It makes my future games with NS more enjoyable.

[BROseidon]

I was trying to crumb a strong town PR to bait an NK. Was a longshot, but still worth taking.

Especially when my strongest scumread is telling me to claim. I'm not just going to take orders from scum ^_^

[BROseidon]

VOTE: BROseiden

1) If you're going to vote me, at least spell my name right.

2) I like how you decided to vote me as soon as I pointed out that your claim could be a gambit, and that we shouldn't treat you as conftown.

[BROseidon]

Why are you insisting on playing in binaries? Creative plays exist, and I'm not going to lose the game because "Oh, claimed cop, must be 100% true," especially when that is the only thing the slot has going towards it.

[BROseidon]

If Desp and Nacho are both town, then scum are 100% conftowning Anti (including possibly anti)

[BROseidon]

He has his name in green on the front page, you don't.

You seem to be unable to grasp that.

And while the game is binary, the information that non-scum have about alignments is imperfect, meaning that we have to treat flips probabilistically. Your claim gives you an increase in chance that you're town, but it doesn't make you 100% town the same way that I'm sure that NS is town. Given that scum have done shit like claim masons, taking a cop claim as 100% is dumb.

[BROseidon]

And I'm not talking down on you. I'm explaining why I'm not calling you conftown. You trying to write me off with "playing the shithead card" isn't going to change how I approach this game.

[BROseidon]

You're mid-tier in terms of "how much I want to lynch this," with the likes of TF, Andy, Mac, and maybe FTL. It means that if Desp and Nacho aren't both scum, you're up for consideration

[BROseidon]

If it's only a soft-reset, which parts are you reseting less/not at all?

Also, wtf happened to mass claim.

[BROseidon]

I saw that you claimed in a really dumb way >:C

TD and Mac remain, I think (I don't think Mac has full-claimed)

[BROseidon]

Oh yes, that incredibly town-looking counterwagon...

Hey Wayne, I'm gonna be fairly absent until Thursday/Friday. I have some stuff I want to bounce off of you.

[BROseidon]

Reasonable doubt that Venmar/Anti is town because the only townie thing about the slot is the claim.

And last I checked Godfathers don't necessitate the presence of a cop. Weren't you in that AP game with 2 millers and no cop?

[BROseidon]

Oh yes, that mod meta that I'm so familiar with with my excellent range of experiences and modding

pedit: What's scum is how they've engaged with the game outside of the claims. I already had a spat with Venmar about this, and Anti's just coasted except when I called out the possibility of a gambit.

[BROseidon]

Deciding to run a cop-crumb gambit wouldn't require knowledge of the godfather.

And I'm not even considering lynching Anti until you and Desp are gone.

[BROseidon]

I'm multitasking this with a report I have due in an hour and a half.

And Anti and TF both come into consideration at the same time. I don't think TF should be lynched before you and Desp

[BROseidon]

Andy that spec is great and all, but how does it help us lynch scum?

[BROseidon]

How is Anti more likely town than the people he investigated? If Anti is town, Mac and TD are town unless there's another godfather in play.

[BROseidon]

Andy he already claimed the non-commute ones, and he really shouldn't claim on the commute...

[BROseidon]

So the fact that Mala pushed FTL early points to town, but the fact that 2/3 of scum have pushed me point to me town?

#logic

I know both heads of the hydra are more nuanced than that.

[BROseidon]

So we should be lynching within {Nacho, Desp}

And I've already said why we should be lynching them, like, plenty of times.

pedit: I never said that your conclusion was wrong, just that your reasoning was bad

Also, burden of proficiency is fine. Given that you're such a meta-based player, you should understand that.

[BROseidon]

Bro

The fact that you've been in both of my scumgames and think that I'm scum here is baffling to me...

[BROseidon]

Can we get back to the regularly scheduled programming of lynching scumcho?

[BROseidon]

lol @ you thinking you led the Mala lynch.

Mala was obvscum from long before you replaced in (was obvscum from nhammen's first post, but I digress...), and it was mollie who prevented that lynch from going through day 2. Y'know, before you replaced in.

You get the bulk of the credit for Aj, though.

pedit: I wanted to talk to you about Anti and FTL. I'm about to go to sleep, though. Like I said, busy through Thursday, can't really stick around for immense amounts of time.

[BROseidon]

Also, I look the same here as I did in War in the Middle East and Xenoblade? Really?

[BROseidon]

10-11pm ET work for you?

[BROseidon]

1) Setup spec is fine when it does things. Andy didn't get any new conclusions out of it because we've already setup specced this game to death.

2) I said "come into consideration." I'd evaluate options, although if you forced me to make a call right now I'd say TF.

I agree with Nacho's list for lynch order except swapping him for me, and we should use Andy sooner rather than later on the off chance that he's scum (if everyone wants to lynch me today I'll totally hammer on Andy instead)

[BROseidon]

Your list only goes through the next four lynches, which I would want to be you/Desp/TF/possibly Anti, but the rest of this game probably won't let me make it further than day 8.

And I would swap you for me because I know that I'm town, whereas you are probably scum trying to stall out to make some sort of shenanigans happen.

[BROseidon]

On the one hand, I want to lynch Desp because he's trying to lurk away pressure.

On the other hand, I feel like town-Nacho would have seen this by now.

Can everyone not on one of me/Desp/Nacho get on a viable wagon so we can just end this day already. I'm sick of having to deal with scumcho and with scumDesp being allowed to coast.

[BROseidon]

Wayne I realized that our date is stupid. I've already said all I have to say about the Anti slot, and us talking about the likelihood of a gambit at this point is dumb.

VOTE: Desp

[BROseidon]

Fact is, once I am gone, I don't honestly think there's a lot of let's lynch Nacho in this town. Your plan to lynch to lynch Bro and investigate Desp should work in reverse, it is only a matter of Town staying focused.

I will try to continue your legacy, but I have very little leverage

[BROseidon]

^pretty good.

Except I'm still not scum

[BROseidon]

[BROseidon]

Nacho, your flagrant misreps are remarkably flagrant.

[BROseidon]

Desp has been obvscum for a while now.

[BROseidon]

bro got an early cred hit from ffery early on
so then he got a little too bus-happy

not enough l's and o's.

[BROseidon]

Investigate Andy or TF.

[BROseidon]

Yeah, for you.

VOTE: Nacho

[BROseidon]

You're right, it's about the dance. I've already won, so I'm trying to win without getting mislynched so I can boast afterwards how despite the entire scum team pushing for my mislynch, they still couldn't get it.

The only reason to vote me over Nacho at this point is an appeal to authority. Can anyone build a case about why I am more scummy than Nacho despite the fact that:

1) I was the first person to push nhammen/Mala
2) I have, from a weak position, strongly pushed for every other scum lynch, when it would have made sense for scum-me to let myself get bussed (or scum could have bussed me day 1 when I WASN'T EVEN READING THE GODDAMN THREAD).
3) I have an even post-count with Nacho, compared to Xenoblade where he had roughly 4x my posts with town-Nacho and scum-Bro.

Is anyone actually scumreading me for reasons other than ffery having a scumread on me (despite never having seen my scumgame and being a meta-reliant player) and the fact that I was behind more than forty pages for most of day 1, and as a result didn't post except to make sure that we didn't get an NL?

Because that is a thin-as-fuck case compared to the shitload of evidence that supports that I'm town.

[BROseidon]

bro interactions:

Bro's a nullscum read, but nick is a scum read after we clear the other obvious scum out. Venmar had some bad posts recently that I'll quote here really quick.

nd if we're missing really bad (trust me, we won't... I got this) we can lynch Bro as an 'out of options' lynch. But not until then.

But bro, on the other hand, I don't see any reason to lynch him other than he's bothering you for all the wrong reasons.

And since I'm reading TD as town and Bro as somewhere at a town lean, the best that could be is buddying. Yet they aren't the smartest to buddy with as TD and Bro have taken a goodly amount of heat throughout the whole day.

BROseidon, Trust Fund, notscience, BeautyAndTheBeast, Mutleyddmc are all town reads of mine or essential confirmed town.

The exchange between her and bro was interesting in the fact that it made bro look awful and mala look townie when put in a vacuum. I've been re-reading her and sitting for today just to make sure I'm not going confirmation bias on her with Rach.

Let's assume Muffin town, FTL town, and Ghostlin town. Assume no scum because we're using this to help find. I'll mark assumptions blue. On a counterwagon drawn by scum, I would generally guess one more scum leaving TF. The last two are bussing. You've got to have insurance. Using confirmation bias, I'd say a good guess is two of Desp, Nacho, TD, TF are scum. I don't even know what TF has done recently, and nick was diehard on TD being town. Nacho was mastin's pick for an outside scum pick, and I completely agreed d1. I've never seen Nacho like this, but then again, I really don't play against him as much as I first assumed I did.

[/quote]

I like how you quoted things without trying to build a case.

Also, his statement about my interactions with Mala support me as town.

Also, go look at Desp's attack on me for trying to get others to articulate why they thought both Mala and I were town. If that looks like scum/scum/scum interactions to anyone, then

[BROseidon]

The only scum who ever got defended by me was mala, who made it into the townblock thanks to mollie's read on her, but that disintegrated pretty quickly.

That anyone thought ever that Mala is town is ridiculous. I stand by nhammen and Mala both being obvscum from pretty much every post that came out of that slot.

That people even toyed with the idea of not lynching Mala day 3 was absurd.

[BROseidon]

Yet, BRO still doesn't have complete conviction that I am scum even though he pretty much should if town (hell, he even brought up that scummy as fuck "if Desperado and Nacho both flip town, I'll lynch Antihero" comment

I like the double misrep (I've pushed for your lynch since day 4+I never said in absolutes that I'd lynch Anti).

Please, keep misrepping me more.

And by appeal to authority, I mean the fact that you are a vet player and I'm a relative newbie, so people are more inclined to listen to you despite the mountain of evidence against you.

And yes, burden of proficiency of you playing your towngame is a valid point.

pedit: Oh yes, one example of when town cleared town more than scum cleared town

[BROseidon]

That anyone thought ever that Mala is town is ridiculous.

mollie is more familiar with her than you and confirmed town
guess it wasn't so ridiculous

Yeah I'm asking mollie about that post game because let me find the post...

[BROseidon]

^ Yeah you are just PL'ing her for being useless.

Mala should have been power-lynched for this post after the Rach flip. The scum motivation teemed through it like no other.

[BROseidon]

do you really need more?

You don't seem to understand the burden of proof necessary to prove something. Try talking to some generative syntacticians about it...

[BROseidon]

I never said in absolutes that I'd lynch Anti

but you said you would
all because "his claim isn't enough to clear him as town". how the hell not?

Because scum don't *ever* fakeclaim.

Ever.

And they never set up their fakeclaims with crumbs.

It never happens.

Obviously.

[BROseidon]

Promise.

What kind of scum game is it that votes off his entire team?

Apparently everyone here thinks I bussed my entire scum team despite the fact that I have 0 history of bussing

Also despite the fact that I would have been the bus-target day 1.

[BROseidon]

I like how Andy isn't voting for his friend-Nacho, and instead is voting for me despite Nacho being obvscum.

[BROseidon]

No the only votes should be for Nacho because it's fucking offensive to my scumgame that anyone would think that this is it.

[BROseidon]

Fact is, once I am gone, I don't honestly think there's a lot of let's lynch Nacho in this town. Your plan to lynch to lynch Bro and investigate Desp should work in reverse, it is only a matter of Town staying focused.

[BROseidon]

do you really need more?

You don't seem to understand the burden of proof necessary to prove something. Try talking to some generative syntacticians about it...

do you really need more.

Yes.

[BROseidon]

[11] RachMarie (zMuffinMan, Desperado, Nachomamma8, Ghostlin, BeautyAndTheBeast, Aj The Epic, Sound of Silence, Andrius, Trust Fund, Saki, BROseidon)

You mean the part where Desp and Aj were ON THE RACH WAGON, DESPITE ME BEING A MORE JUICY BUS TARGET.

ANDY WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU SMOKING.

[BROseidon]

XENOBLADE - what scum tried clearing each other?
FIRE AND ICE - what scum tried clearing each other?

I don't remember Fire and Ice.

Every scum in Xeno went along with your townblock because both teams had the majority of their members in it. Neither of us were aware of who the other team was at the time; I was only slightly suspicious of TD.

So from my perspective, in Xeno, I cleared 8, possibly 9 people by going along with your town block in exchange for protecting the townreads on myself, Rach, and Orc.

In jobpick you and kdub both cleared the fuck out of me day 1, and you were clearing MeowMix pretty constantly.

[BROseidon]

btw that's L-1.

I can't believe the idiocy that I'm seeing at this point. The case on me is literally PoE + not wanting to lynch Nacho who is NOT PLAYING HIS TOWN GAME for NO DISCERNIBLE REASON.

[BROseidon]

When I flip town, everyone on my wagon better feel like fucking morons and grovel at my feet after the game for their blatant stupidity.

[BROseidon]

I'm also strongly considering pulling a Kuribo and photoshopping tibetan mastiffs ripping apart all your avatars because of how fucking retarded this bullshit is.

pedit: And he isn't voting for you now. Which is the point I made.

DESPITE THE FACT THAT HE WANTED YOU LYNCHED YESTERDAY.

SENSE, IT MAKES NONE.

[BROseidon]

scum clearing each other w/roleclaims
try again

Kuribo claimed masons with another scum once.

[BROseidon]

MY CLAIM IS STILL VT BECAUSE I'M A FUCKING VT. THAT HASN'T CHANGED.

pedit: I can't think of examples off-hand but I can easily theorycraft them.

[BROseidon]

And I have nowhere said that Anti is probably lying. I've only ever articulated it as a possibility.

pedit: I never said it was a good idea

pedit2: I have 0 mod experience and have no idea how setups work.

[BROseidon]

Like, at this point, I'm going to mod a game with a scum PGO and a godfather with no cop as a giant "fuck you"

[BROseidon]

My fits of yelling are coming in between the large amounts of logic that I've posted.

If I were scum, why would I not have been bussed on day 1 after I went V/LA?

If I were scum, why wouldn't I let myself get bussed on day 2 or 3 instead of dragging my team down with me?

If I were scum, why would Desp have attacked me so much for pointing getting people to try to look at the me/Mala interactions to discern what about them were bussing?

For me to be scum, you'd not only have to accept that I bussed my whole team, but I bussed my whole team while ALL OF THEM WERE BUSSING ME, THEREBY BLOWING UP MY TEAM IN THE PROCESS.

[BROseidon]

pedit2: I have 0 mod experience and have no idea how setups work.

then why wouldn't you listen to other people when they say "this is how setups work"?

I'll listen to NS, Wayne, TD, and Mac about how setups work, because they are the only ones that I consider 100% clear. I'll like 95% listen to Anti.

[BROseidon]

anyway, bro, read my most recent conversation with wayne, and that's exactly what I would say to you.

Wayne and I tend to think in similar ways. I just usually gate what I put down more because I realize that I have a tendency to come up with off-the-wall shit that's highly improbable.

Also, where the fuck is Varsoon.

[BROseidon]

But, we can play that game and I'll point out that D1 I pretty stubbornly stayed on Rach and protected Andrius when mollie/ffery were getting sketched out about me because of my townread on him. The only scum who ever got defended by me was mala, who made it into the townblock thanks to mollie's read on her, but that disintegrated pretty quickly. My townblock has been pretty much scum free the whole fucking game, and I haven't made an effort to protect any of my buddies ever, which is something I do pretty often as scum. Take Meta Playstyle Mafia, where I attempted to defend TheTrollie from MattP so I could stop our team from getting horribly fucked up for more than a single second. Or Dixon Hill, where as I went down provided a meta case on the Ms Marangal hydra being town. Open 507 I protected both of my scumpartners until the final day, where I attempted to bus the hell out of one of them. #YOLOville I ended up butting heads with our Traitor early on accident, but protected other two partners until I went down. Resurgence Mafia I bussed one partner hard, then got my other 4 partners in a townblock and took control of everything in town. League of Legends Mafia, replaced in late, came up with a plan to let my lurkfuck partner live another day because she had a cool ability and buddied the hell out of my other partner. There are games that I've played as scum where I've bussed one partner, but me not taking a strong hand in defending a single one of my partners stands out pretty strongly; cabd could probably tell you that if he could meta people decently. Ghostlin's earlier argument that I'm coming up with this argument specifically to push it now is bullshit when it's not a strong enough argument to get me past the 100% confirmed town core of Varsoon, Mac, TD, Antihero, notscience, and Waynegg and the mostly confirmed addition of Andrius. It's not enough to get past trust fund, and my former theory about the scumteam being completely stacked doesn't really hold much water anymore.

Too bad I only have 2 scumgames on record.

In which I bussed 0 partners.

[BROseidon]

BE VINDICATED THAT I WAS HERE
I WAS TOWN AND I KNEW YOU WERE TOWN
YOU KNOW THIS BECAUSE I DIDN'T BULLSHIT THE WHOLE "OH ANTIHERO IS TOTALLY NOT CONFIRMED TOWN" BUSINESS LIKE BRO IS DOING AND THEN PLEAD IGNORANCE OF SETUPS AND CRAZINESS

Dat scum-level AtE

[BROseidon]

Or I can just hammer Andy, which is a win-win for everyone.

[BROseidon]

It actually makes 0 sense not to have bullied Desp into hammering Andy.

[BROseidon]

ANTIHERO GET YOUR ASS IN HERE AND VOTE BRO
YOU KNOW DEEP IN YOUR HEART IT'S THE COMPLETELY CORRECT DECISION

Dat AtE.

pedit: I'm not going to let my ego and rage get in the way of playing effectively. Andy needs to get hammered eventually, and since your acolytes aren't going to lynch you over me, I'll take the hit and blow him up.

[BROseidon]

ANTI YOU ARE MAKING SENSE.

VOTE ANDY SO OTHER PEOPLE CAN VOTE ANDY AND I CAN HAMMER.

[BROseidon]

Question: what incentive is there not to do it as soon as possible?

[BROseidon]

WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU SQUIRMING BRO

I'm trying to be reasonable.

Which you are making hard to do.

pedit: It has a marginal chance of ending the game sooner.

[BROseidon]

ftl claims vanilla result on bro: not an innocent, lynch anyways
ftl claims pr result on bro: guilty, lynch

Why would Varsoon have investigated me when he already knows he's getting a vanilla result (courtesy of TF).

His investigate should have been on Andy.

[BROseidon]

...

You all are fucking morons.

[BROseidon]

If I were stalling scum, what would my long-term plan be at this point?

What would be my incentive for fighting?

None of you are thinking about this in any reasonable way, and it makes me want to jump through the internet and verbally eviscerate all of you.

Except Wayne and Anti. They are the only ones applying any amount of intelligence at this point.

[BROseidon]

I mix my being reasonable with being incredibly angry because everyone is being idiots.

[BROseidon]

I mix my being reasonable with being incredibly angry because everyone is being idiots.

because we're not clearing you for bussing?
because we're not attempting to lynch confirmed town?
because...?

Because anyone applying critical thinking would look at my actions and realize that they indicate no scum-interest.

[BROseidon]

And we aren't taking the free lynch to confirm that it isn't a gambit because...

pedit: I've already articulated the main reasons as to why I make sense as town. Repeating them won't get you to ignore them any less.

[BROseidon]

Andy, so you're totally fine with me hammering you then?

pedit:

Bro hammers Andy
Lynch Nacho.

Game's over and Bro gets to be a dick in post game because everyone is idiots.

[BROseidon]

There is 0 cost to lynching Andy.

There is a potential gain.

Not having one of us hammer Andy today is a strictly inferior decision.

pedit: You call it bussing because you make the fundamental assumption that I'm scum without looking at what actually happened.

I never tried to get Anti lynch. I proposed a crazy idea because not considering all possibilities is dumb.

You still haven't articulated why scum would bus Rach over me on day 1.

[BROseidon]

Bro hammers Andy:

If both town: Still get Bro lynch, get the Andy 1/2 lynch to save an NL later.
If Andy scum: Game's over.
If Bro scum: Lynch Bro next day, gg.

Just lynch Bro:

If both town: Only get bro lynch, have to NL later or execute same plan tomorrow.
If Andy scum: Andy gets to live untouched.
If Bro scum: Game ends 1 day sooner.

The first plan yields a better result in the first two scenarios, and an even result in the third.

[BROseidon]

You still haven't articulated why scum would bus Rach over me on day 1.

you're the better player

...Thanks for the compliment?

[BROseidon]

Andy, if I'm scum and you flip town, do you think I'd be able to get out of a lynch at that point?

Or even stall a lynch?

It's taken <12 hours to put me to L-1 today. An investigative guilty would make that go faster, no?

[BROseidon]

Okay, I'm off to dinner, and then I have stuff to do tonight.

I'll be back later, but I won't be able to live-chat like this because fuck real world shit.

[BROseidon]

hello. set-ups work in mysterious ways, bro. it shouldn't take a confirmed town to tell you this, but listen to what everyone else has said. i don't know why you are throwing your toys out of the pram like this. why not listen to anyone else?

Because:

1) Possible scum-influence for most of the game.

2) I've been very out of lockstep with most of the players this game. Other than sort of Wayne, I haven't gotten into a groove with anyone, which has made it hard to work with people across the board.

[BROseidon]

Andy is very likely town thanks to his claim and his play. BRO is not as likely town.

You've already given me enough to be incredibly insufferable in post game.

You don't want to give me more.

[BROseidon]

Until tomorrow, when we lynch him.

The two things are completely equal.

Until either you or Andy try to weasel out of it tomorrow.

What advantage is there to waiting?

[BROseidon]

no one will renig.

If either you or Andy are scum, why should we expect this?

[BROseidon]

Andy is very likely town thanks to his claim and his play. BRO is not as likely town.

And wouldn't that just seal his fate tomorrow without it hanging on a m/l to XYLO? I realize you and Andy decided early on to go out in a blaze of glory with each other and all, but the lynch Andy to get nacho just makes more sense. And notscience is voting BRO...

You are literally the only player who is fully making sense right now. Anti is almost there.

Everyone else should feel

really

bad about this.

[BROseidon]

shut up and follow the goddamn plan that guarantees our victory

Except part of that plan involves you getting lynched at some point, and there's no reason for us not to trigger that part now.

[BROseidon]

100% town: NS, Wayne, Mac, TD

95+% town: Anti

Dies in 3p LyLo unless Anti scums up the thread to ridiculous degrees: Varsoon

Die day after tomorrow if that doesn't end it: TF

Die tomorrow: Nacho, Andy

[BROseidon]

Why the fuck would I enjoy this Andy?

[BROseidon]

VOTE: Bro

I'm town, Nacho hammers Andy tomorrow.

Andy, you are a fucking and join Aj on my shitlist.

[BROseidon]

You guys have no idea how much of a dick I'm going to be in postgame.

[BROseidon]

Like, the amount of verbal evisceration is going to be glorious.

[BROseidon]

i can't wait

I actually hope I eat this loss so that all you shitheads can realize how massive of shitheads you've been to me this entire fucking game.

I fucking put nhammen/mala on the radar and fight with my back against the wall for 4 day phases to get scum lynched, and this is the thanks I get.

You fuckers all can go diaf for all I care at this point.

[BROseidon]

Lol, bro that was really shit if ur town.

I'm aware that it was, but everyone's forgetting/doesn't realize how emotionally driven my play this game has been.

If I were with Andy IRL I would physically have to separate myself from him to prevent myself from going off at him. I'm more pissed off at him/Nacho than I was at mollie day 2.

[BROseidon]

like srs

not letting pr claim results

what why

Because you're a fucking shithead.

[BROseidon]

btw Cabd, I apologize to you and Wayne for not waiting for Varsoon, although:

1) He should have been here by now.

2) I'm not putting up with Andy/Nacho blatant bullying anymore.

[BROseidon]

i have no idea where the rage is coming from, bro.

It's coming from the fact that you and Andy have been nothing but vile bullies and bitches to me for all of today.

[BROseidon]

Except I'm actually incredibly pissed right now, and despite Aj trying to invalidate my emotions, I'm actually a hyper-emotional person.

[BROseidon]

as in my play today has been mainly focused on getting people off each other's throats. that requires an absolute fuck ton of herding and aggression. yes, I was a dick to you because I didn't want you squirming out of the way if scum and the townblock that can remain the townblock is cleared with role info.

If you're actually town, I hope you take this as a lesson in considering possibilities and not thinking you're right. Your arrogance is absurd, and I abused the fuck out of it in Xenoblade.

I'm surprised you didn't learn your lesson there.

[BROseidon]

I had absolutely no idea that you were an emotional person; you seemed calm in games, and I figured play today was more along the lines of "cheeky scumfuck" as opposed to incredibly angry town.

Normally I'm very calm, but I have an explosive temper IRL that's gotten me in massive trouble a few times.

[BROseidon]

No, you bully Nacho into hammering Andy because THERE IS LITERALLY NOT REASON NOT TO.

YOU ARE ALL INTELLIGENT PEOPLE. YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO RUN THIS COST-BENEFIT ANALYSIS.

[BROseidon]

Do you guys have any idea how infuriating it is that you all are failing at basic decision making?

[BROseidon]

A vanilla cop doesn't make sense as a scum role because...

TF not having fakeclaimed makes sense because...

You're not being paranoid enough if you're town. I'm pretty sure I've given my "treat the game probabilistically" speech before.

A lot of why people fail at mafia is the same reasons why people fail at investing money.

[BROseidon]

Yeah that's what I meant.

Then say that >:C

[BROseidon]

Hey bork can you do me a favor and just post the flip without flavor to vindicate me sooner?

[BROseidon]

Scum afraid of a fakeclaim? Especially after the Venmar WIFOM mess?

You're a better player than this if you're town.

[BROseidon]

Normally I'm very calm, but I have an explosive temper IRL that's gotten me in massive trouble a few times.

Actually on this point.

Has nobody ever bothered looking at my avatar before?

There's a reason why I chose a TIBETAN FUCKING MASTIFF.

[BROseidon]

How do investigates that are redirected get returned by the mod.

Ie, if an investigate on TD got redirected, would Venmar have known who the new target was?

[BROseidon]

TF is after you, remember?

[BROseidon]

If you're town, take your mislynch with honor that you're playing a gamebreaking win strategy, and give us your reads other than
"it has to be nacho guyz." because if you flip town, we're lynching your number one scum suspect tomorrow. If you're scum, eat your game loss.

Umm...wasn't Nacho supposed to go first on that gamebreaking win strategy? And you're on BRO?

Remember, you're the only sane one in this game. Everyone else is a fucking Nacho acolyte or some shit.