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^ lol this kid. Yeah when you want to be.
The slip was that the title says "when the laughter died" ergo non-funny comedians are scum. Just a thought. Jester is probably his buddy following this logic, although less likely because MoI doing it first weakens it as a tell imo.
And MoI I'm sure you're experienced enough to know OMGUS implies the lack of valid reasoning or thought process. Me not stating one means you could have only accused me of withholding that. You can only accuse me of OMGUS once you've seen aforementioned reasoning and determined it's status. This is also known as mudslinging scum.
Another thing, don't pull the "im town so I can't scumslip". Just don't. There is no point to it.
The slip was that the title says "when the laughter died" ergo non-funny comedians are scum. Just a thought. Jester is probably his buddy following this logic, although less likely because MoI doing it first weakens it as a tell imo.
And MoI I'm sure you're experienced enough to know OMGUS implies the lack of valid reasoning or thought process. Me not stating one means you could have only accused me of withholding that. You can only accuse me of OMGUS once you've seen aforementioned reasoning and determined it's status. This is also known as mudslinging scum.
Another thing, don't pull the "im town so I can't scumslip". Just don't. There is no point to it.
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Of course it isn't going to be perfectly acceptable. In my opinion I believe it was a slip of sorts. If it was something that confirmed MoI as scum, it would have to be accidentally mentioning the QT or something.
And MoI, you've seen me play one game as scum. I played horribad but really it's up to you if you think you can ascertain meta with one game. It's just that this lends weight to the going for the easy target argument. Surely you don't think one game is enough evidence.
@Fate: he isn't shotty, you can ask Benmage. They're playing in a game together. Although he (Ben) may have expressed doubts about shotgun being a shotty alt but I think he was joking.
And MoI, you've seen me play one game as scum. I played horribad but really it's up to you if you think you can ascertain meta with one game. It's just that this lends weight to the going for the easy target argument. Surely you don't think one game is enough evidence.
@Fate: he isn't shotty, you can ask Benmage. They're playing in a game together. Although he (Ben) may have expressed doubts about shotgun being a shotty alt but I think he was joking.
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If MoI claims bomb or something I don't mind hammering.. I'm waaayyy out of my league here. Although idk if he's actually going to do that now.
@MoI: regarding that post where you said I was posting as if you were town, you deliberately misinterpretted it. I posted that with the mindset of you being a better player, thus causing the mistakes you made to be deliberate and scummy instead of just newbie-ness.
@MoI: regarding that post where you said I was posting as if you were town, you deliberately misinterpretted it. I posted that with the mindset of you being a better player, thus causing the mistakes you made to be deliberate and scummy instead of just newbie-ness.
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↑ MagnaofIllusion wrote:↑ Yates wrote:Hard to say this early on but iStark and knox immediately come to mind as suspects for claiming they would vote but not voting you as that would be suspicious as hell. On this point I will agree with you - especially given I haven't seen either present a case. Threat to vote is not the same as an actual vote and jumping on an easy wagon is certainly not a Town tell. I'd obviously cut iStark a little slack as "intent to hammer" isn't suspicious as long as you are willing to follow through on it. I'd also take a close look at Fate and Benmage based solely on distancing. Clearly we need to see a flip and more content to determine how scummy everyone actually is.
Um whut? Your original issue with me was that I called out Knox's "Hey I'd put you at L-1 but it's early" play as scummy. Now you agree with it?
Does ... not ... compute!
I kinda have to agree with MoI on this one.
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Yay lots of walls. Anyway regarding Korlash-Yates, when I first read that post by MoI I didn't see him as saying he was scum there AND here. I thought he was using the word "also" in the sense that he was adding to the statement, as in "also, I was scum there". He just also in a weird place. Also, scumslips have to be viable. I don't think any scum would have made that sort of scumslip, just like no scum would say "in my scum role PM".
In summary, I can see why Yates thinks it's a slip but honestly it's too blatant to be an actual slip, more likely a weird grammatical error. I didn't see the reference to the affc game but that could be another viable explanation.
VOTE: Yates
In summary, I can see why Yates thinks it's a slip but honestly it's too blatant to be an actual slip, more likely a weird grammatical error. I didn't see the reference to the affc game but that could be another viable explanation.
VOTE: Yates
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Lol this kid. XD
When I say too blatant, in your case he outright says "i am scum here too" following your interpretation of what he said. That's why I say it's too blatant. On the other my "weak" scumslip, involves drawing a connection between the flavour etc etc. In other words, whether it's right or not (mine) I see it as a viable slip because scum- MoI wouldn't have realised he was outing himself. On the other hand you expect us to believe that scum-MoI would literally claim scum as a slip? Yeah no, not buying it. Hence I think you are scum purposefully misunderstanding MoI's post. Gets?
When I say too blatant, in your case he outright says "i am scum here too" following your interpretation of what he said. That's why I say it's too blatant. On the other my "weak" scumslip, involves drawing a connection between the flavour etc etc. In other words, whether it's right or not (mine) I see it as a viable slip because scum- MoI wouldn't have realised he was outing himself. On the other hand you expect us to believe that scum-MoI would literally claim scum as a slip? Yeah no, not buying it. Hence I think you are scum purposefully misunderstanding MoI's post. Gets?
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@ Yates: nope you don't get it. Your right about MoI being too smart to accidentally say "I am scum", but I'm saying you're too smart to think he said that. Therefore you must be scum pretending to misunderstand. If I thought you were town pushing the MoI scumslip which is kinda weak then yes I'd be calling you dumb.
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↑ Fate wrote:↑ vijay2vasandani wrote:@ shotgun: can we lynch Yates first?
@ Fate: I asked this just before. Did you say Yates seemed townish? Can you explain please?
Its just the gut feeling I get from reading his exchange with Korlash. But he's also done some scummy things, so I'm not ready to call him town full on
Oh dear. Who said Fate was scum? You may just be right x.x
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↑ The Mini-Librarian wrote:@vijay: There's a few different reasons why that could have happened. I'm not sure why exactly you might have done so; it could have been that your MoI's buddy, that you didn't want to be caught on a townie lynch, that you didn't think anyone was actually going to jump on to hammer MoI. The point is I don't know "why". I do know that I see scum motivation from it. Unless you can explain the following three point I will probably keep my vote on you.
a) Why you were on MoI for so long ignoring the meat of the case against him?
b1) Why did you feel it neccessary to jump to Yates at that time?
b2) Why do you think the reasoning you gave in 220 is stronger than the points raised against MoI?
a) I initially voted MoI for that weak slip I saw. When other people began attacking MoI using meta, I didn't understand what the hell was going on. All I knew was that somebody who I had a scumread on was getting votes so it was all good for me.
b1) I switched to Yates because I felt that my reasoning for Yates-scum (ie deliberately misinterpreting somebody) was far more valid than my reason for voting MoI.
b2) because I'm pretty sure scum purposely misinterpreting things is a far more viable reason for a vote than a slip most people don't even agree on? Note, I didn't get or like the meta accusations used by Fate and Ben.
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↑ Yates wrote:
I called his vote "sheeping" in 222. Why are you asking this now when I brought it up nearly 150 posts ago?
One interesting outcome from this exercise is that VJ looks much scummier in ISO than I remembered and I think I'm starting to better understand Mini Librarian's read. He does a lot of quoting and agreeing with people randomly without actually providing new information. That is the 1000 foot overview takeaway I get from his ISO. I still don't have that one specific "thing" I can point to yet but I'm not getting a Town vibe.
lol how convenient.
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↑ Korlash wrote:Yates wrote:@ Korlash - Do an ISO on him. He had 10 posts before his vote on me and the first 2 were RVS stuff. Then he found the "MoI Slip" re unfunny comedians. Then he backtracked after my post when a few people agreed with my post. 3 posts talking about the scumminess of MoI and him possibly being a bomb. Then he buddies up to you saying he's funnier. The first time he even mentions my slot is when he quotes MoI for calling me out on the L-1 business before I had a chance to respond. He says he had me Town before that in his post 5 minutes later. His next post is 10 hours later, after all of our back and forth, and votes me stating, "I can see why Yates thinks it's a slip but honestly it's too blatant to be an actual slip, more likely a weird grammatical error." That does not strike me as an actual reason for a vote. The only thing that had changed was you decided to crusade for MoI, Hence the sheep image.
And I get your logic in putting it together, but it's all just an assumption on your endwith no supporting evidence. Short of the one buddy post (which me and V2V are buddies so it means nothing, buddy meaning 'friend' in this instance not partners >.>) there is nothing linking his vote to me at all. calling it a sheep vote just seems like a mischaracterization on your part. I never laid out a case on you that V2V said he 'agreed with, I never voted you with V2V following suit, I never said you needed to be lynched with V2V echoing me, none of the tell-tale signs of sheeping exist. Using terminology just for the sake of doing it is bad play and leads to your 'attacks' being weakened and escaped easily.
A better way to put it would "he's jumping on someone currently under scrutiny by others with little to no reason himself.(seemingly to go against his recent read)" It may seem close to sheeping but it's far more specific to him and a hell of a lot harder to escape out of.
I believe it is called buzz-wording. If not, that's what I'm calling it from now on.
@ Yates: so your argument is that it's more likely that you say it as a slip instead of fabricating a fake one? That's just sad, because now it's a matter of interpretation. But the thing is, you read like a person with intellectual capacity, so I sincerely doubt that you honestly thought that was a slip.
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↑ Fate wrote:↑ vijay2vasandani wrote:... I think I'll stay here and wait it out. Remind me what the Pizza case is again?
Literally no attempt or sign of scumhunting so far. Makes useless questions to appear being "helpful and inquisitive" over-reaction to the vote I made on him.
Its pretty open and shut
Hmm. Okay then. Waiting for next VC and will decide from there. But really, let's get Yates after this.
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↑ Benmage wrote:↑ MagnaofIllusion wrote:Benmage wrote:The game is too young, and I have been too burdensome to do justice here. I would be more concerned with my lack of content, than the number of posts I have.
Um, whut? You can’t play the game because everyone is “Too New”? Cop-out and I do not like at all. Who, besides me in your eyes, is scum Ben?
No, my comment is that its only D1, so to be analyzing total post counts is premature. You surely have seen me called out for starting games slowly before. Mina in aSoS... Idno brain farting, but it happens.
Let me get to that second question. I need too. And there were things nagging me (need to find em and recall).
Oh and, I think I'm in like 5 games. I don't think I'm the most prolific poster in any of them. As, this game, like them, have seen a plague of RL. So unless you think I'm scum in all 5.........
Ben is right, he hasn't been posting in like two other games I'm playing with him.
MoI I'll get to your post in a bit.
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Regarding Pappum's read: null. I haven't seen anything that sticks out as scummy to me. I could probably ISO him if you really wanted a read, but that isn't how I do things. I'd rather find scumreads and eliminate from there.
Regarding "good vote": that was supposed to be a condescending remark. Tone doesn't really work on a screen so much
Regarding Yates: yeah pretty much. That's the main thing.
Regarding Fate vote: only if I can't get Yates lynched and it's close to deadline.
That should be all. I don't really feel invested in this game MoI the reason I liked shotgun's post 125 was because I feel lost too. You guys just start ranting about meta we have no idea about.
Speaking of which, where is shotgun?
Regarding "good vote": that was supposed to be a condescending remark. Tone doesn't really work on a screen so much
Regarding Yates: yeah pretty much. That's the main thing.
Regarding Fate vote: only if I can't get Yates lynched and it's close to deadline.
That should be all. I don't really feel invested in this game MoI the reason I liked shotgun's post 125 was because I feel lost too. You guys just start ranting about meta we have no idea about.
Speaking of which, where is shotgun?
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↑ The Mini-Librarian wrote:Why in the world did I listen to vijay when it comes to hammers?!?
Still don't like Korlash's vote though.
Lol ikr? Hahaha God it's something about you TML. I can't seem to count. If nobody has claimed a hammer, I'll do it in 24 hours. (that's assuming I can count to 24 X.X)
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Because I'm out of my depth and I feel drawing a NK will be much better use of myself in this game than struggling to keep up with the game.
Hahaha shotgun, you of all people should know I'm going through a fakeclaim phase
Korlash, yes, but ongoing games so I'll shush about it for a while.
P.edit: just once you know about
Hahaha shotgun, you of all people should know I'm going through a fakeclaim phase
Korlash, yes, but ongoing games so I'll shush about it for a while.
P.edit: just once you know about
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I claimed vig because vig is very dangerous to scum. Meaning theyre more likely than not to shoot me. Also, a vig is less likely to CC during the day, choosing instead to shoot at night if anything. that way I'm less likely to out a real town PR. Will talk about Yates in a bit, at the golf course atm.
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Well if it's legit enough to draw the doc then it should draw the scum nk. If it does that then at least the scum's kill doesn't go through.
↑ Tammy wrote:↑ vijay2vasandani wrote:Because I'm out of my depth and I feel drawing a NK will be much better use of myself in this game than struggling to keep up with the game.
↑ vijay2vasandani wrote:I claimed vig because vig is very dangerous to scum. Meaning theyre more likely than not to shoot me. Also, a vig is less likely to CC during the day, choosing instead to shoot at night if anything. that way I'm less likely to out a real town PR. Will talk about Yates in a bit, at the golf course atm.
This was stupid and feels fake. If you want to draw the nightkill, you do it by being active and scumhunting. You do it by making the scum believe you are threat to them. You don't do it by fakeclaiming a role that has the potential to out the real power role through a counterclaim or make it less likely they will be protected.
If you can't make scum believe you are a threat to them through your play, they're not going to think you're a threat to them because you claimed vig. A vig, in and of itself, is not dangerous to scum. Scum aren't going to fear or take out the "vig" if he's not targeting them during the day since most likely that vig is going to end up taking out a town player, which is only beneficial to scum.
If you are town, the fact that you're alive should probably make you think twice about jumping on Yates again today. If you are town, the fact that Fate is dead instead should let you know that either scum didn't buy your claim or they didn't think you were a threat to them.
Your statement that you did it because you feel out of your depth feel really false in light of some of the players here. I'm also wondering if you would have been so quick to admit your little gambit if it weren't for the real vig ending up dead today. Admitting you lied after caught doesn't give you town cred and your reasoning needs work.
Normally, I'd want to do that (be an awesome scumhunter etc) but the fact that I'm out of my depth makes that rather hard don't you think?
By that reasoning Yates probably isn't scum?
And if the vig didn't die, I still would have tried to push the vig claim around. From my POV, why would mafia claim vig? They can't make an extra kill. So what if it makes people think I'm the SK we can deal with it later.
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Anyway Korlash, I've already admitted I fakeclaimed vig. I did it because I thought it would draw the NK. I'm doing it elsewhere but that's all I'm saying.
Who are you Tammy? (I'm convinced you're an alt for some reason)
Anyway, my reasoning for voting Yates was because I believe he was deliberately misinterpreting MoI's words to construct a scumslip. Like he pretended to misunderstand the wording of the post in a way that allowed him to call it a slip. Am I making sense here?
Anyway Korlash, I've already admitted I fakeclaimed vig. I did it because I thought it would draw the NK. I'm doing it elsewhere but that's all I'm saying.
Who are you Tammy? (I'm convinced you're an alt for some reason)
Anyway, my reasoning for voting Yates was because I believe he was deliberately misinterpreting MoI's words to construct a scumslip. Like he pretended to misunderstand the wording of the post in a way that allowed him to call it a slip. Am I making sense here?
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@ Korlash: because if I'm out of my depth. You guys (MoI and you mostly) post a fair amount, and there was a lot of meta referenced that I could not be bothered to read. From my POV, if I drew the night kill it wouldn't be a waste because a VT dying is better than a PR, and a blocked kill is even better.
Who are you voting for and why? You say you like Tammy, so I assume you think he(she?) is town here, so I don't get why you guys are still arguing.
Who are you voting for and why? You say you like Tammy, so I assume you think he(she?) is town here, so I don't get why you guys are still arguing.
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Hahaha yeah I noticed you were a she, sorry if I called you a he. And i don't have anybody in particular, you just felt like an alt to me. But whatever.
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Vijay wanted to die at Night by claiming Vigilante?? Does that mean you don't mind getting lynched as well?
Poor form shotgun, especially from you. This comment from you does not sit well with me, considering our past games together.
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I'd vote you but Yates is scum so yeah.
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@ Yates: you missed a couple of buzzwords, like whiteknighting, IioA, and buzzwording itself. Regarding me, I'm sorry to inform you that you'd lose all the money you bet. But how about we leave it like this. You think I'm scum, I think you're scum. We'll see who the town decides to lynch.
What's the scum angle for claiming vig again?
What's the scum angle for claiming vig again?
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↑ Yates wrote:↑ vijay2vasandani wrote:What's the scum angle for claiming vig again?
Let's see...
1. Potentially drawing out the REAL vig - who would be a major bane to scum? Check.
2. Draw a night protect from Doc thus allowing all scum kill actions to go through? Check.
3. Setting up your scum defense? Check.
Bonus - may not apply in this particular game but worth mentioning - Explaining why an investigator might find you with a weapon? Check.
Okay.
1. Vigs cc with a bullet, not by ccing during the day. Do you think I'd want that to happen as scum?
2. Night protect seems like a legit reason but is a minimal point imo. Honestly, what do you think is a doctor's save percentage?
3. What does this mean?
Bonus. I'm assuming that's a guy who can check if somebody has a gun or not? (kinda like a gunsmith?) Can't say anything to that, fair enough.
However, the first negative I outlined for scum easily outweighs all the stuff you talked about. I mean sure no doc protect is worth getting shot?
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Korlash, MoI, Fate and Benmage are all good players. And they post shitloads. And I don't remember if it was this game, but a lot of meta (affc or something) that I knew nothing about and could not be bothered reading
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Well I'll do it in the morning. I need to go to bed.
@ Yates: well you haven't exactly expressed that POV have you? You're pushing it like it's sensible logic, when as a matter of fact you just admitted it's more likely to come from somebody out of his depth. In other words since you havent exactly mentioned struggling to keep up or being out of your depth, but admitting the slip you "saw" was because you were out of your depth makes me believe it's very likely to be fabricated. Do I make sense?
@ Yates: well you haven't exactly expressed that POV have you? You're pushing it like it's sensible logic, when as a matter of fact you just admitted it's more likely to come from somebody out of his depth. In other words since you havent exactly mentioned struggling to keep up or being out of your depth, but admitting the slip you "saw" was because you were out of your depth makes me believe it's very likely to be fabricated. Do I make sense?
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Yeah I'll try my best.
Anyway I have no issues with the hammer. I actually had Tammy as town for getting rid of Korlash (no offense Korlash). It's the fact that you bothered with a justification that worries me. Say what you want, but it reads rather dodgy to me. Furthermore, I sincerely doubt Korlash needed one from you. It's mafia and people are going to get hammered.
Good discredit though. Seriously "dumbest mislynch ever lulz"? Real original.
Does that answer your question Yates?
Anyway I have no issues with the hammer. I actually had Tammy as town for getting rid of Korlash (no offense Korlash). It's the fact that you bothered with a justification that worries me. Say what you want, but it reads rather dodgy to me. Furthermore, I sincerely doubt Korlash needed one from you. It's mafia and people are going to get hammered.
Good discredit though. Seriously "dumbest mislynch ever lulz"? Real original.
Does that answer your question Yates?
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It doesn't suck if people think you're mafia, it's part of the game. And the Korlash hammer made you town because you willingly got rid of somebody who in your words was a "distraction". How is that not pro-town? But whatever, I'll give you the benefit of doubt. Will read some ISOs and make a decision from there.
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what the fuck is this supposed to mean?
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↑ PeregrineV wrote:↑ vijay2vasandani wrote:
what the fuck is this supposed to mean?
Means he gave a reason and voted me. Not the greatest reason, but definitely one I've never heard before. And he voted based on that reason.
That makes it a "good" vote.
But, I'm town. So, the vote is a good, but he is not voting for scum.
Does that help?
No. Sorry.
I will vote for Split, PV or Yates.
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Why is Tammy mad? RD is a reasonable player from memory, I don't get it. Like the horse puns get annoying at times, but Tammy's reaction was OTT.
And Tammy, if you cant take being misread, don't play mafia. It's the bloody point of the game. Scum try to get people to misread other people and lynch town and save scum. Duh.
And Tammy, if you cant take being misread, don't play mafia. It's the bloody point of the game. Scum try to get people to misread other people and lynch town and save scum. Duh.
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LolBigBangTheory. I was just watching that on the plane. Anyway, the thing is, attacking lurkers isn't a proper defense. Also, the reason I asked shotgun is because he's a good friend of mine?
And how about this inte, we lynch Yates. If he's town, lynch me. If he's scum, we lynch you.
And how about this inte, we lynch Yates. If he's town, lynch me. If he's scum, we lynch you.
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hey guys. yes, i still think Yates could be scum. but Hez just.. i dont know. so much WIFOM with claiming a character from an already flipped character's show. I honestly don't like it. enough so that I'm willing to vote him.
Thing is, if Hez is indeed scum, Yates could be town.
So basically, I'm voting Hez or Yates today. If Hez, then it's going to be SB. If Yates, then PV.
That's mostly gut feel (the pairings).
Thing is, if Hez is indeed scum, Yates could be town.
So basically, I'm voting Hez or Yates today. If Hez, then it's going to be SB. If Yates, then PV.
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