The Red Wedding - The Goose is Loose

[macmollie]

Why did I do this

^scum whining early

VOTE: reck

not an rvs vote

[macmollie]

Does anyone know if Andrius is a bastard enough mod to give someone a 'Hodor' post restriction.

I once saw scum fake a hodor posting restriction and go on to win the game with it. he would answer yes twice and no once by saying "hodor".

it was pretty brilliant

fos tamuz

[macmollie]

yeah I unvoted reck

all of my awsumly brilliant posts are now gone.

[macmollie]

VOTE: amrun

dear nacho

I would give you my vote but why did you have to drop your tr kill tell in your very first post

and borealis up the thread in your very first post

why
why you go do that

I would follow you to the ends of the earth cos I love you but I think I might have to lynch you and I don't wanna cos I want you to be town.

love

mollie

@ nexus

I am calling the mafia police for that terribad vote.

they will come to your house and punish you

don't worry it isn't too bad

I know this cos once I made a terribad vote as scum and they came to my house too

@ venny

my dear venny. you are so out of step. if you are town plz fix that

do you know how to dance?

[macmollie]

losing my appetite for an amrun lynch although there was stumble

@ venny

you seem to have no idea of what to do. I think your votes and the line of your thoughts seem somehow disconnected from what is actually going on in the game. independent thought usually points to a town mindset, but you are out of rhythm while you are doing it.

[macmollie]

dear mollie

ffery's and your kill tells on me suck pretty hard

i asked for your vote so i could read someone but you couldn't even do that for me?
instead i have to put up with your paranoia and ignore you again

thanks for nothing

nacho

dear nacho

I bet that was the meanest thing you could of to say.

so far I think fery and I have been batting a 100% when we have spotted it so

you also got a heap of other votes, so why can't you get a read on generic now? or did you forget all about your theory and why you had placed your vote.

I am sorry you rolled scum this game cos when we are both town it is always awsum.

love

mollie

VOTE: nacho

so far I have nexus and broguy as scum. amrun makes me wonder if she is buddying up to me cos its like she is treating me as if we are sister wives or something and should be sitting around braiding each other's hair.

nexus cos of the timing of his first vote that got lost in the ethers while I was asking reck to help me pressure nacho cos he will have the tendency to shut down so as not to leave a trail to his teammates if scum. it was cos we are a hydra but the clincher is that he revoted us as if his original vote had any legitimacy behind it in the first place. then he unvotes with a sledge and isn't doing much else.

broguy cos that post looks like a shitty awkward early bus post. but hey I will take the vote cos I am pretty sure about nacho.

[macmollie]

Mollie, do you know why I have a townread on Apple?

mebbe

the triple dog dare and the "reck is the towniest person here".

also fery and I have different tells for you. if it was tr I would roast you over an open flame but you actually did drop it once on this site in a newbie game but your body of work was strong enough for me to ignore the tell and town read you but then you abandoned me and left me alone with a bunch of boys so I replaced out.

I don't get the dekes vote and you seem really scattered. I don't like a lot of your town reads either so if you are town that is probably the first place that we should look to find scum.

what do you think of broguy and nexus I forget

[macmollie]

@ nacho

okay, I can mebbe see where you are at with dekes.

totally there with you about apple, I was picking up on the newbish stuff too.

nexus voted us, crash happened and post got lost, then he revoted us as if his original vote had any legitimacy behind it in the first place. then unvoted with a soft sledge so hmmmm....

amrun says my vote on reck was bad and that was the only vote she called bad but has said I was town like 3 times and it makes me paranoid. she has also followed the foses but before I go full blown retard on her I want to know if this is normal for her. she bugs me a bit so unsure.

I like where tsunami's head is at. and we can braid each other's hair anytime she wants.

isn't faraday playing this game? where is he.

OHHHH FAAAAAARRRRRRRAAAAADDDAAAAYYYY

[macmollie]

Piratemollie, not sure how calling your votes bad even though I have an early town read on you is buddying. Why did you classify it as such?

I guess you mean this one?

cos you are following my foses

nexus and venny with any elaboration on reasons of your own

[macmollie]

I thought you kind of did fos him by saying his reasons for his vote was bad.

I never voted venny but I fosed him by pointing out at that time he was looking pretty awkward and out of step.

did we just settle our feathers or what

still have my eye on you but I would think that if you were scum you would be more cautious and less likely to see where the other person is coming from. it closes your options for later in the game if you were scum, when you start negotiation procedures this early in the game. it is the very opposite of hedging your bets.

are you missing faraday? I am.

eta:

UNVOTE: nacho

look who suddenly got all serious :/

[macmollie]

eta: that was to amrun

[macmollie]

eta2: but the look who got all serious was to ankiamus

[macmollie]

are you missing faraday? I am.

faraday totally isn't in this game
i wanted to wait to break the news to you but I thought it wasn't a good time

jesus christ I have a spreadsheet and should know he isn't playing

why the fuck did I think he was

[macmollie]

Amrun--what games have you played with Nacho before?

Given our tenure on the site, quite a few. One that is sticking out in my mind is Always On, which we had a pretty good alliance going during because we read each other as town. Not a whole lot of people read me as town that game, though I was, and how he went about reading KA here reminded me of that with one notable exception: he's been more vocal about it, more nip-it-in-the-bud as opposed to reading me town but oh my there is a wagon on Amrun what a shame. We talked a lot during the course of the game and I learned more about how he scumhunted. I think I still have his phone number in my phone from that, in fact.

Nacho was scum that game,

but it was multi-scum and I think his read on me was genuine

. I was wrong on my read of him, at least initially and I don't remember if I ever reversed it, because I could genuinely see his wheels turning. If you check out that set-up, you might end up understand why that was so.

Nacho has the ability to fool me as scum (obviously), but still, his reversal on KA read as genuine and I'm nowhere within the realm of wanting to lynch him any time seen.


REGARDLESS, I think he's wrong about KA.

Of course he's a newb -- that doesn't make him town

.

newb scum don't say things like "I triple dog dare you to lynch me".

it takes confident scum to do that and newbs don't usually have it, unless they are not a newb.

and that is a whole different kettle so to speak.

that was me

[macmollie]

eta2: but the look who got all serious was to ankiamus

I started being serious the moment I stopped talking about wine and whores in every post.

wat else you got

[macmollie]

Oh my god, just die, take a crossbow to the face or something.

yo you do look a lot less town than everyone else on that wagon

whilst I agree wrt to venmar you cannot deny that that logic is FAILFAILFAIL

dare I ask killerapple if he's ever seen a completely town-driven wagon?

[macmollie]

Posting on phone

The Apple guy just called me scum when I had only 1 post at rvs? How does that even happen

VOTE: killerapple

Who's that nut job that accuses the guy with 2 posts to be scum?

think we have scum here guise.

if I remember correctly, town MS is a lurksack but I have never seen him hide from accusations behind the number of his posts. but I may have to dig a little deeper into this. if I can be bothered

MS why shouldn't people scumread you after 3 posts? because you've contributed precisely nothing in those posts, (despite reading the 9 pages) yet still feel you can shy away from the light because you haven't posted a lot.

contributed or be lynched. that's a promise.

[macmollie]

okay lets do this

VOTE: nexus

[macmollie]

okay lets do this

VOTE: nexus

This is bad and you should feel bad.

this isn't bad. but you should probably explain why it's bad because explaining things always helps

[macmollie]

KillerApple and Generic

the Town-Players-Are-Trying-Too-Hard-To-Help-The-Town-On-Day-1-Thereby-Making-The-Scum-Look-Townier Theorem

UNVOTE: Generic, VOTE: KillerApple

I DONT GET IT

[macmollie]

Oh my god, just die, take a crossbow to the face or something.

Why don't you just use your scum powers to NK me? I know you're scum, and I'm not moving this vote.

This is a fucking awful fucking post

I agree, I hate them.

it was almost as terribad as your #224

[macmollie]

this isn't bad. but you should probably explain why it's bad because explaining things always helps

Sure. Let me explain: Nexus is town.

I'm afraid I'll need more than that to shift my vote

[macmollie]

Oh my god, just die, take a crossbow to the face or something.

Why don't you just use your scum powers to NK me? I know you're scum, and I'm not moving this vote.

This is a fucking awful fucking post

I agree, I hate them.

it was almost as terribad as your #224

Thanks. It's not quite as bad as your vote on me though. That was fucking spectacular.

oh you want to talk about votes, nexus? cus I can dance too. what about your TWO votes on us?

they

were fucking spectacular

[macmollie]

I'm afraid I'll need more than that to shift my vote

I'm very, very confident in my read, having considered several recent experiences of playing & hydraing with him and he's not going to get lynched today, not even a little teeny bit. Do something more useful with your vote.

why not? humour me.

[macmollie]

I'm not getting into a pissing contest with you though. I'm going to find actual scum and let you carry on barking up the wrong tree, sweetheart.

aha I like how you pre-empted what my reply was going to be with this.

scum caught.

[macmollie]

And now I'm taking a step back so as I don't get modkilled for cursing.

I would prefer for you to do this because I don't particularly like being referred too as a "shitcunt"

[macmollie]

tis alright.

when you feel ready we can talk about why we are voting you (it's not only cos you voted us twice, though that is a part) but I need to talk to mollie first

[macmollie]

this is a two way street, nexus. I don't know I'm wrong. show me I'm wrong. I'm reaching out to you and you are throwing it in my face. what happens if I convince everyone else that you are scum?

I have only said I didn't like his scum nk post, but bad posts can also come from town. I'm trying to figure out if they are or not.

VOTE: Metal Sonic

[macmollie]

We're not lynching: Reck,

Nacho

,

Amrun

, Ankamius, Dekes, Generic, Nexus, Tierce (although more of a null read on Tierce atm)
I was pretty happy with Venmar as town until recently but we'll see how that goes for a little while longer.

AV is not lurking in an alignment-related way, I don't think, so I'm not going to vote him because I don't think that's going to draw him out of the woodwork particularly but I want to hear from him so that I can read him

I'm not 100% convinced on KillerApple but I'm willing and interested in helping to lynch him.

Could be scum: BRO, Tamuz, tsunami

FoS: Metal Sonic

UNVOTE: Generic, VOTE: KillerApple

wrt bold : neither of those players should be in your town list.

your list also looks like "town: people I know. scum: people I don't"

which is quite honestly terrible.

I am liking nexus after his and mac's kerfuffle.

UNVOTE: nexus

looking at the outliers to what is going on in the game, has av done anything memorable at all? like I seriously can't remember a thing they have done or why they are voting tierce.

[macmollie]

I think AV's been pretty much a nonentity so far.

yeah and I don't like it.

also I am in 4 active hydras right now plus my own games so I probably will slip every now and again, personally I think there are more things to get worked up about. I think miscommunication with you is that neither mac nor I thought it was an rvs vote since we were well out of rvs. but moving on --------->

do you really think apple is scum? I have mixed feelings. I almost want to put him as town simply cos that is where nacho has him. but this won't make sense to anyone else other than nacho.

do you have anything else in the way of reads?

[macmollie]

so are you town reading both amrun and tsunami?

can you give us a list of your reads?

[macmollie]

apple person are you for real

you claim at L1 and if the claim sounds legit then the wagon dismantles and we go somewhere else. if you refuse to claim and you get lynched and you are a special people will not want to play with you in the future. nobody likes it when their teammate screws them over.

in other news, nacho is still scum but of course nobody wants to lynch him cos they never do

*sigh*

[macmollie]

I am liking tsunami, nexus, bird person and reck for town. I think I

might

be liking bro but I am not sure. can't figure out if he was trying to bus nacho or not. I do not like amrun and mac wants metal's head on a platter.

tierce is weirdly staying away from me. I find it interesting that she is barely commenting on nacho, especially since my read is a meta read. no comment, questions, nothing

[macmollie]

this whole page makes me feel a million times better about amrun.

I thought the exact same thing about apple, that they were going to special claim but their play is pretty damn confusing.

welsome to my strong town pile amrun. will you talk to me about nacho?

this will make mac happy and I think it is the best way to go.

VOTE: metal sonic

[macmollie]

Regardless, I'd like to hear this whole bunch. Apart from your town list and your not attacking the lurker that leaves me and who else?

Tamuz, maybe BRO. No one else, really.

I didn't like this

his lackluster play is underwhelming

I have played a lot of games with nacho. he and I usually work together in a way where we usually catch scum and I am just not feeling it. it is an andy game so I would think he would put more effort into it.

eta: xpost, apple when did you ever have amrun down as scum?

[macmollie]

amrun do you know the flavour? very likely multi-ball with lannisters and freys being scum I think. also multi-ball seems to be the rage these days.

[macmollie]

I am town :/

PROVE. IT.

see nexus what is this? we just had this EXACT conversation and you told me it you didn't have to convince me you were town, I had to convince others you were scum & until then you wouldn't prove anything.

can you please explain this so I can go back to thinking you are town.

[macmollie]

@ metal

do you have any other completed games or is it just your newbie 1 and the voided temple 1 where you were in a hydra?

re: set spec

erm, no I am not going to feel bad in fact this is the first game on this site where it has been actively discouraged. I think it is never too early but that is just me. *shrug*

I don't exactly have the longest shelf-life in games so I like to get all my thoughts out there.

and it was more in response to amrun picking out associative tells.

[macmollie]

@ nacho

no. just no. you never dismantled my scum read on you. you would have to be town in order to do that.

@ ankimius

so you us down as scum cos....you think we made an awkward accusation? lol

@ metal

I asked you a question and I would like an answer tia

Ugh. MS isn't totally cleared yet, but that was a town move no matter how stupid you think it was. He probably is a dayvig and realized he would have to do something before he got lynched. At least he showed us his reason before he did it. It did look a little opportunistic, despite both wagons looking like scum.

Besides, I looked at some other games, and MS plays like this all the time. So it looks like I'm just going to have to deal with it

.

UNVOTE: Unvote

Anyway, Tierce, I think I see where you're coming from. I didn't even notice it before because I was relieved that he unvoted, but that was a quick transition. Too quick. It looks like he wanted to hop on the wagon, but decided it would make him look more town if he hopped off. I don't know how he usually plays, but I think he would be doing a little more scumhunting if he were town, instead of just showing up every once in awhile to make evasive votes. The vote on Dekes, for example, is not helping anyone. It really kills me to do this

VOTE: Nacho

wrt the bold: what other games? he was in a newbie game and the voided temple game in which he was a hydra. <----- I didn't see acting like this in either of those. so wtf are you talking about.

FOS THE SHIT OUT OF THIS

unimpressed with av's catch up.

@ bro

what about anki's reaction did you not like? I thought it was meh

@ amrun

do you mean to tell me that you have not seen someone fake a day vig kill before? I thought fake claiming was a huge fad on this site I mean I have seen it 3 times and I think it is dumb as shit cos it muddies the waters just causes a bunch of noise. I agree that metal should not be auto town read for it.

@ nexus

did you ever post a list of your reads I can't remember



waiting to talk to mac before I post a wall of our thoughts

[macmollie]

@ amrun

if you have seen the gambit before why did you not consider that possibility? I guess I am just surprised by your reaction I mean I don't even blink when I see it nowadays. I still have you down as town though.

@ nexus

the only people who avoid providing lists when asked are either scum or stupid/stubborn town. thinking the latter. I was hoping to be able to work with you but I guess not

@ bro

what else do you got

[macmollie]

That is also my usual solution to people whining about wanting reads - i'll do a minor compromise.

ty cos if something happens to you in the night round I am going to be working from that list.


okay so here is why I wanna lynch apple. I don't believe her when she says she read metal's previous games. it isn't in his wiki and I had to dig pretty hard through his posts in order to pull up 2 games, 1 in which he was scum and the other was a hydra and was town. this is nothing like his scum game so instead of saying, "he does this all of the time so he is probably town" if she read those games it should have been "well he was scum in the game I read and here is acting totally different". not to mention apple said earlier in the game she is still getting used to this site but she knows it well enough to do a hard to do meta-dive?

fuck that shit I think she is lying and is scum. unless metal can cough up some more completed games that is prolly where our vote will wind up.

[macmollie]

Ank, why not vote for MS then? I know you still have your vote on me, but at least I tried to stop being a VI and help unlike MS.

@macmollie- Not completed games. He's in a few other games right now, and he has the same crappy attitude. I want a PL on him.

he is in other games. he is still alive in all of them and you are in none of them.

so why were you going meta-diving in ongoing games where you don't know his alignment?

also even looking at his posting history I can pretty much tell you that his reaction in this game was a lot more excessive than anything in his posting history. so where are you seeing the "same crappy attitude".

fuck it I am not even going to wait for mac. you are lying about looking up his other games and you have been caught and you are scum.

seriously guys, let's fucking do this.

VOTE: killer apple

[macmollie]

cos killer apple is lying through her fucking teeth. she was trying to find a way to back off metal legitimately and made something up in order to do so. when she realised how close the vc and that she most likely will be the lynch of the day. I don't know about you but I want to lynch scum not dummies.

[macmollie]

amrun you know I am right

xpost: cbd, plz vote apple

[macmollie]

if you are talking about an ongoing game that is very much a board wide rule violation. if you wanted a policy lynch on him you should have said so, not call him scum, when it looks like you might the next lynch candidate and suddenly decide you wanna policy lynch. you are just trying to save your own ass and going about it very awkwardly.

you are caught scum but thanks for playing.

[macmollie]

Well when you said that I lied about looking at his posts, I had to give an example. And why is it so bad that I changed my opinion? Thought he was scum and now I'm thinking annoying town. If I wanted to save my own ass I could've just lurked hardcore this game.

you went and looked into a fairly recent post in an ongoing game, lol. jesus christ you are just digging yourself deeper and deeper. if you actually did the meta research you claimed to have done then you would not have had to use that. and not paying attention in a game or losing a day is not the same as him melting down in a big way I mean that example in no way justifies the earlier comment, "oh he is like this all of the time but he is town and I guess I will have to deal".

changing your mind is all fine and dandy but there has to be a natural progression of thought and you are lacking it.

eat rope

[macmollie]

oh god cabd you are fucking scum aren't you

if you read the game you would know your slot is not obvious town. and no way you read the entire game from the time you replaced in to the time you posted. hint: I have an idea of the speed that you read.

jesus christ

@ venny

your nexus case is good. we had him as scum, then mac and he got into a fight and he looked better but I did not like how I had to yank reads out of him so he has been moved back to unsure.

mac wants metal deaddeaddeaddead

[macmollie]

Mollie, Andrius contacted me several hours before I actually replaced in. That looks like 100% confirmation bias to me.

that is a different situ desp cos yours was a game flake while apple quit cos she got caught in a lie

can you appreciate the difference?

[macmollie]

Mollie, Andrius contacted me several hours before I actually replaced in. That looks like 100% confirmation bias to me.

that is a different situ desp cos yours was a game flake while apple quit cos she got caught in a lie

can you appreciate the difference?

I don't think you understand what I meant. You said you didn't believe that he had caught up that fast and implied it had reinforced your scumread.

I was telling you that your accusation doesn't necessarily hold because it assumes he had no knowledge prior to replacing.

And while I do appreciate the differences I also think it's a little arrogant to assume that you are the reason they quit. They weathered a lot more heat earlier in the game without quitting.

I think you misunderstand me. I don't think that I am the reason they quit, I think they quit cos they got in a lie. <---- the reason is entirely their own and I don't think it mattered who pointed it out.

if you want to make a case as to why they would have pulled a stunt like that and be town, go for it. the thing is, is what they have said does not add up. are you just going to ignore this? have you even done any thinking about it? what is the town motivation for saying "oh I read some games and metal is always like this" when if you read his games he isn't. she then pulled an example out of her ass that did in no way justify the "he always plays like this" stance.

if cabd subbed into a town slot then he is going to have to work at it. so far I am unimpressed. and your defense of him lacks even the sophistication of a chainsaw it looks more like a machete or mebbe even scissors.

cabd if you are town then show me you are town. coming into the thread and saying "oh mollie why do you wanna lynch obvtown it is not like you" is the lamest entrance I have ever seen and makes me think that cabd has

not

been keeping up with the game or read it like he implied that he did in his very first post.

have you even read the game desp? cos right now I am thinking no. or at least not fully. you just kinda sheeped onto venny's case on nexus and blustered about how you were sheeping to begin with.

[macmollie]

will anxiously await that for that wall...

[macmollie]

Fake contribution.

[macmollie]

have you even read the game desp? cos right now I am thinking no. or at least not fully. you just kinda sheeped onto venny's case on nexus and blustered about how you were sheeping to begin with.

Every page.

Yeah,I sheeped Venny's case because it's really good, and then did a bit of scumhunting of my own.

I'm not really why you're being so hostile here. I wasn't defending him, I was calling out your bad logic. You insinuated he was lying about having caught up (and was scummy for it) when I had reason to believe that he had been contacted before a replacement was needed.

What do you think about what happened with metal?

if fakeclaiming was not an accepted form of practice on this site I would say lynch it with fire.

but the way he went about it was clumsy and not well thought out. it makes me think that he is town but mac has a different take on it in that he thinks that cornered scum will do something that peeps normally pass for town as a means for desperate cover. and yeah, in the way metal went about it is sorta damning.

BUT. that is what gives me pause. scum fakeclaims are usually much better crafted but with a seasoned player they can appear flawless. metal's didn't. so the only scum motivation behind steamrolling a claim when he was going down would be if he thought amrun was a special and he wanted to offer up his scum team a tasty treat to nk.

I didn't get that from the way he went about it but I could be wrong.

xpost: cabd no, mac will look me and vice versa. probably the only way you will be able to tell us apart is when we use the other's name in a post.

[macmollie]

So these ARE "real" contributions as opposed to fake ones? IDGI

I'm not drunk enough yet.

yeah I unvoted reck

all of my awsumly brilliant posts are now gone.

erm, I was correcting the mod on vc and I was stating that my posts were eaten by tigers

fuck yeah they are "real"

[macmollie]

tierce I thought you said you would have more time once you got done with packing. :/

[macmollie]

and seriously, nothing stood out?

apple lied, quit the game, cabd replaced in and this is all you have to say????

and what about desp?

[macmollie]

jesus chrst you have been here 5 minutes and you are already on my nerves.

Mac/Mollie

<joke>First up since Mac hasn’t replaced out, you’re town </joke>

you know he mentioned that some people were saying that last week! lol

So you were seeing nacho’s case on appletown in 199, sweet. Cuz it is.

at that point and at that time I could see apple as possible town

You agree (re 216) that newbscum don’t do things like “dare you to lynch me” so what made you decide against this conclusion?

depends on the player. I went back and checked some old games at ratskep and yes I saw some newb scum who taunted the people who were trying to lynch them. also saw it in a game at mr where gib and I cleared a player with our read and he finally was vig killed but only cos he pissed off the vig who was writhing in guilt for getting me lynched the previous day.

You telling me (re 383) that you think this thing isn’t newbtown? Like, you used the word team-mate but you weren’t thinking apple was scum at this point? IDGI

cos I don't know your alignment. they could be on my team or not. what you seem to be missing is that my reads are neither static nor black and white so don't even.

your complicating something that is pretty fucking simple.

So far as I can tell from 503, 524, and 526, your vote and discarding of apple-newbtownread is that

KillerApple is using ongoing games for evidence

. Man I wonder where I saw that before? I love you mollie but that’s kinda a bit silly.

NO

. that is not why. and if you read the fucking thread you would know that.

I think your slot is scum cos apple said, "oh metal is always like this I read his other games and he is town". <------- okay so how did she know what games to look at? cos it isn't in his wiki and if you do a search user's posts you will find some ongoing games and 2 completed games. he is not dead in any of his ongoing games so no flip. in his completed games he was scum once and town in a hydra. so with only 2 games to base meta on where the fuck did apple get that "he is town and is like this all of the time" because he isn't. I didn't see any any meltdowns of this sort in any of his games. so where is apple getting that conclusion from. and then she starts pushing for a pl, lol, as soon as she realises that his wagon dismantle will put her in the lynch lead.

^ that is the case. do not misrep my case again or I am going to use the shouty font with you.

Re 554: Nah, If I was scum I’d read the QT like a billion times first. NB4 “OMG he knows about scum having a QT scumscumscumlynchlynchlynch” because Andy flat out said they have one. I love pulling town because I can do whatever the hell I want. Scum is so…. Restricting.

whoops that was me

[macmollie]

Notice how his alignment isn't confirmed.

Why are you treating him like town?

I'm not. Relevant:

Disagree with your MS point is as much as dayvig fakeclaim can be done by either alignment and there really isn't strong motivation one way or the other for it. Granted, I don't have that much experience with it (all my games where one happened are in progress), and I still need to read the MS wagon formation to judge what I think, but the dayvig claim should be treated as null.

I have stated multiple times that I haven't read the MS wagon.

If I think it's valid when I get around to reading it

, I'll vote for it. If I think there was fishy wagon-hopping, I'll vote for that (which is a probable result given that this is Metal Sonic we're talking about here)

why have you not gotten around to reading it

[macmollie]

@ nacho

no. just no. you never dismantled my scum read on you. you would have to be town in order to do that.

sorry, i guess i was just having one of my

psychic visions

musroom induced hallucinations again.

[macmollie]

Wait KA's daykill was fake?

SHOCKER

Wow this post is really, really bad.

yeah

[macmollie]

Mollie have you considered the possibility that KillerApple, not being familiar with what is commonly acceptable to include in a "meta" read, mistakenly included the ongoing games?

You were reading them as newbtown, correct? So are you saying that this new piece of newbtown evidence is actually so egregious that it's verged back into scum evidence?

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST I AM TYPING IN ENGLISH WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE

I WAS READING THEM AS UNSURE THEY HAVE NEVER BEEN A STRONG TOWN READ OF MINE

IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT GAME IT IS I AM TELLING YOU I COMBED THROUGH METAL'S POSTS AND HE HAS NOT DONE ANYWHERE ELSE WHAT HE HAS DONE IN THIS GAME THERE IS NO POST THAT DEMONSTRATES HE DOES THIS ALL OF THE TIME ANYWHERE ON THIS SITE. THERE ARE ONLY 2 GAMES LETS SAY IT TOGETHER NOW 2 WHERE YOU ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT HIS ALIGNMENT IS SO HOW THE FUCK DID SHE PUT HIM AS TOWN FOR IT.

it could be metal melting down as scum or a town meltdown I dunno he has made some truly terrible posts.

[macmollie]

wait a minute I know whats going on here

andy gave all of my favourite people a bonus win if they make me meltdown isn't it

ANDY!

[macmollie]

wait a minute I know whats going on here

andy gave all of my favourite people a bonus win if they make me meltdown isn't it

ANDY!

Oh shit she's on to me!

And maybe I missed the big yelly voice.

[macmollie]

okay somebody was asking me for an example of someone faking a day vig claim as town.

this is the only one I can think off the top of my head and well....it is a bit embarrassing cos it was an open set-up.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=23927

I totally fell for it.

[macmollie]

^so is lazy MS

except Ms is lazy more of the time than Venmar

also mollie, I have a 3rd completed game that you missed, i flipped town

nobody should ever read it if they have a weak heart

if you are already calling me scum and get pissed off at this stage already then you really should never read that, you will die of a heart attack

mollie its called: Mainstream Mafia

if you think this game was "insulting" then that game will be a horror movie/SAW

will make my wall on generic tomorrow when I get time to slack off

it takes like an hour to two so yeah

hey dummy, I am not pissed at all you fucking tard if you read the goddamn thread I have been saying that I could see you being town. stop being a pansy-assed drama queen and pay attention plz.

I don't remember you at all in mainstream prolly cos I completely gave up on d1 when town would not lynch scummy as fuck jason. any other site I play he would have been lynched in 5 minutes his timing is always like the worst thing ever but then no one on this site even knows what the fuck I am talking about when I say "timing". besides we were culted n1 so then I was really not that interested and made majiffy do all the work.

if you are town I suggest you start working towards your wc and try to work with your town reads. your 1 man lone ranger act is just making people want to lynch you and generating a bunch of noise. and I am not sure anyone is buying your day vig claim personally I think you are full of shit and you will have to use it in this day round or you will be nked cos if anybody wastes a doc protect on you I will personally beat the crap out of them.

hth

[macmollie]

Wow did NOT realize Killerapple replaced out

hey reck have you figured out who the day vig is yet

[macmollie]

also metal did you say who your character name was cos I don't remember

[macmollie]

hey dummy, I am not pissed at all you fucking tard if you read the goddamn thread I have been saying that I could see you being town. stop being a pansy-assed drama queen and pay attention plz.

mollie, you sound a little upset!

lookit you try

[macmollie]

also metal did you say who your character name was cos I don't remember

and also does your vig kill end the day round? <---- this is pretty important and I would like to know

[macmollie]

mollie

it does not end the day round,

and i did not say my character name at all so you did not miss anything

read my essay and vote generic

I am not reading it until you give me your character name

also, who are you thinking of vigging

in other news I am amazed at what you guys let nacho get away with as scum on this site.

[macmollie]

reck are you drunk

cos you are following a case from a player who vig claimed but is not character claiming. :/

[macmollie]

erm no

character role in no way impedes things

I think you are full of shit

VOTE: metal sonic

[macmollie]

OMG...Metal Sonic is grade A bone fide town from this case on Generic...just so you know.

yeah, no idgi

he might be town for other reasons tho but not outing a character role when outed as a special is...something that to me seems kind of sus? and the wall means nothing w/o a solid town claim and he does not have that.

[macmollie]

I think I might honestly be okay with a nexus lynch

[macmollie]

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[macmollie]

his foundation is faulty wrt his claim. if metal wants to come clean now then yeah, it gives weight to his case. otherwise...no.

/fuckingfedupwithtownfakeclaimingifheisscumweshouldlynchhimhowcanwedifferentiatebetweenthe2thisiswhytownshouldnotfakeclaimbutIleanscummebbeandyoumightnotunderstandwhy

[macmollie]

Do I need to read it?

it would be nice

but then you would have to read metal's posts and I wouldn't wish that on anybody

a fresh pair of eyes would be good

we have 2 days til deadline

[macmollie]

cdb isn't advocating a town lynch he wants metal vigged.

pretty sure cdb has his vote on someone he thinks is scum and I am tempted to vote desp too cos desp is a strong player I think and in this game I am not seeing it and it makes me sad

[macmollie]

hhhhmmm....

[macmollie]

hey nacho the deadline is on the 9nth

wat's the date

[macmollie]

jesus christ

[macmollie]

hhhhmmm....

hey nacho the deadline is on the 9nth

wat's the date

jesus christ

Why don't you want to talk to me mollie?

I am sorry desp.

you asked me about nexus but I am really only loosely seeing him as scummy. it is something I want to discuss with mac cos he has a stronger scum read but weirdly I trust cdb's read on him cos I think he would say that as any alignment. does that make sense?

I think he has reacted badly but reacting badly does not a scum make. especially if they feel they are being attacked for dumb reasons and I get the impression that is where he is coming from. it was also either late at night or early morning for him. I do pay attention to posting times. I don't like that obtaining a list was like pulling teeth and I don't like that he is not really doing much but I am thinking it might be a playstyle thing. he will only be able to do for this for so long.

he is tweaking mac's scumdar all over the map so he is in the firm unsure need to sort pile.

I think metal is probably town but I doubt I will get a nacho lynch. and god do I want one. but I am looking at the playerlist and going by herd mentality said itt no it is not going to happen.

I had amrun as scum but she looked good going after metal for the reasons that she gave. but that is it. so unsure and will revisit as to why I thought she was scummy.

nacho is pushing dekes okay I almost want to play the lynch and see what happens cos I am not getting what I really need from nacho and that might help if dekes flips scum.

reck plummeted from town to scummy with his not reading the game. <----- bad reck BAD

cabd backed off then went to some convention and who knows. I hope to get something from him. he makes apple slot look better I think.

tierce and nacho - what the hell was that it smelled like scum theatre to me. nacho was blatantly posturing with his whole "^scum" posts but with no follow up or a push or a vote. I guess he (pretending he is town for a moment) that saying that would somehow...make her shake and shiver and meltdown I guess? I mean why do it if you are not wanting them to crack and not willing to vote them. she didn't crack btw. still wonder about her cos she and nacho are fosing each other but the whole narrative falls flat.

so can we compare notes other than nexus? cos I would like to. I feel like there are a lot of people are hanging back.

[macmollie]

unvote, vote: dekes

seriously

explain

[macmollie]

Yeah Venmar looks town, Tierce is cool, and KA is still looking scummy (page 6)

Umm and Macmollie again--her reads are batshit crazy (read: opposite of mine)

although to be fair I think my NEXUS read came from skimming around when I was posting to catch up later.

Oh hey guys don't mind me just posting my thoughts here as I read the MOUNTAIN of posts
(PS that is not a softclaim although I wish it was)

PPS instead of me catching up here can like CDB just do a video catch-up series. Like a Let's Play of the last 30 pages. That'd be grand.

Like TSUNAMI and NACHO
Do not like DEKES

mmkay starting to get a handle on this brb-


Tierce - Town
Venmar - TownTown
AurorusVox - duh
Nachomamma8 - Town
ChannelDelibird - TownTown
Ankamius - Null
Generic - Null
xReckonerx - Town
Metal Sonic - Scum
Amrun - Town

macmollie - nullScum

Desperado - null
Cabd (KillerApple) - scum
tsunami - town
Nexus - town
Dekes - scum
inHimshallibe - null


mmkay I have a bunch of reads and there they are I will now silently catch up - next post after page 15 (I hope)

so I am scum cos...we have different reads? cos I am looking at your list and I see a helluva lot more similarities than I do dissimilarities. plus this list is parroting popular reads I don't think you have posted one independent thought at all.

[macmollie]

I think we need a lynch, so for the sake of compromise, I am going to:

Vote: Metal Sonic

But, I think that I feel like

most

of the Nexus-townreads said so far in the game, aren't actually strong reads and I think people are just writing Nexus off as town since he might look null via meta alone, but I think that's just scratching the surface instead of realizing what he has been doing so far.

I feel the same way about nacho.

[macmollie]

Notice how Desperado put Metal Sonic at Lynch-1 after I explicitly declared intent to hammer and implied lack of interest in a claim, though.

I am in mafia love with desperado and it pains me to say that he is not giving me the warm fuzzies this game, at least not yet.

what do you think of av

[macmollie]

To be frank I don't really care what he claims. He's already fakeclaimed once. Are we supposed to trust him when he claims FOR REALZ this time?

and then you post this and I feel a tingle cos that is pretty close to how I feel plus it looks like he is scum flailing not town flailing. it is just that this is very different than the game I read where he was scum.

[macmollie]

Lack of claim and just tunneling makes me only more sure that MS is scum.

nor is he giving a list of his reads

sorry that was me

[macmollie]

cdb I asked you a question

[macmollie]

I answered it in the spoiler, implicitly. Sorry I didn't make it clearer!

so when you said "sure" with av's "duh" read on himself what exactly were you implying?

[macmollie]

I answered it in the spoiler, implicitly. Sorry I didn't make it clearer!

so when you said "sure" with av's "duh" read on himself what exactly were you implying?

I took that as a townread on himself and my response was meant to imply "sure, let's say that". I'd like him to get more caught up but I haven't had anything that I would call an alarm bell yet.

he has been a non-presence (using nexus's term) and his list is shit and has no reasoning behind it plz explain why this does not send off alarm bells.

[macmollie]

Confirm vote: Metal Sonic

I want to lynch someone whom I'm more confident is scum. I want Metal Sonic to be brutally and unrepentantly vigged. That was always the plan, really. Only reason I voted him in the first place was because KillerApple looked more town and I was getting annoyed.

doesn't look like you were merely annoyed

didn't you say at some point that want to make sure your vote is on scum

[macmollie]

MOTHER FUCKER

I JUST GOT BACK FROM VLA TO POST AND YOU HAMMER? FUCK YOU

hopefully this isn't locked when I finish

but I have been discussing with mollie in chat and here's what I've come up with

generic town, metal sonic town (and trust me it fucking KILLS me to say this) nacho town, amrun town

cdb (the suggestion of lynching from popular scum targets reeks of going after low hanging fruit) cabd (offering up a 1v1 between two others who I think are town with leading questions) dekes (general lazy lurksack) AV (our reads are opposite and apparently this is a scumtell now. no wait, your scum reasoning for us is weak as fuck. minor townpoints for belief in your reads) and ankamius (can't remember a fucking thing he's posted, and it's not a usual style of his I don't think)

desperado could be scum i'll have to further investigate later. not really moved by reck's hammer despite the fact he cut me off.

[macmollie]

VOTE: dekes

let's try this

[macmollie]

also I don't understand why av was in grey.

amrun tsunami what you think of tierce. I thought it looked scum theatre between her and nacho and with nacho's flip I am looking at tierce. never played with her before

[macmollie]

As far as my other head. I have no idea. Her response when I told her we were town was "damn" and before that she told me that she was taking a break from mafia. She's really super shy and a low poster, which is why she likes to hydra every now and then, and gets really frustrated with the suspicion she gets for being a low poster at our other site. But, I don't think it would have been a big deal this game, except I went out of town right after this game started. She got confused from my message and thought the game wasn't starting until I got back. By the time I got ahold of her, it was on page 30 and she was all meh about catching up. So, essentially I'm without another head, so think of me as a public alt. I'd change to Tammy but I like my avatar >_> And you're not losing anything really as I'm super easy to read so...

My issue here has two names: Pandora and Quilford. (You could at least inform Andy that it's just you, my CDO is acting up about seeing Snax on the first page.)

From what you're saying--she prefers playing scum, then?

I don't know what this even means

[macmollie]

As much as I love sheeping nacho, and especially dead confirmed town nacho.... Are we willing to lynch without hearing from dekes again? Because I'm not, really.

wat

who said anything about lynching dekes w/o hearing from him and wat do you mean by "again"?

Mollie, do I need to find something else of yours to misrep to grab your attention, or you cool with just talking to me about what nacho's townflip did to your reads?

it made me reevaluate my own, obviously.

I am assuming you think my dekes vote is a sheep onto nacho's read alone and it isn't. mac had suspicions of him and something I have learned abut mac is that he has wicked ass good instincts. so I am going with his read cos I want to see what happens.

Generic, there was a very valid thing I was doing there. I wanted people to comitt to scum v notscum, in that I didn't want the easy peasy "Oh metal sonic was a policy lynch" excuse down the road.

okay so what are your thoughts in lieu of the 3 flips?

[macmollie]

I think AV was the more likely target if the kill really was a SK kill, although it's very unlikely.

Even if Nacho was the kill, and let's assume it was since I agree it's the more likely scenario, I just personally don't think the Drekes "case" and votes are persuasive enough.

your last 2 posts look like scum wifom tell me it isn't so

[macmollie]

I know someone asked why Amrun btw and I will get to that (I have other things I need to read urgently tonight) but main reason I didn't reply straight away was because I just noted her down as scum for whatever thing occurred to me when I was rereading to update my reads yesterday and didn't make much in the way of notes beyond who I had as which alignment. So there's definitely a reason (possibly loads) why I think she's scum but I've forgotten them temporarily in a haze of different names. Large games, eh?

^ post is full of no

[macmollie]

Worthless check-in post. Just letting the mod know I'm still in this one.

Care to actually contribute?

Care to ask meaningless questions?

Yes, I care. I made it pretty clear that I intended not to contribute at that very moment.

what exactly are you waiting for

[macmollie]

I'm hitting a sweet stream of consciousness spot. If anyone is around and wants to discuss the game, now is the time before I pass out.

This is where I am at the moment. Take advantage now if you're around because goodness knows when I'll hit one next.

I'm around

[macmollie]

I'm around

Well, if you want to discuss anything, say so. Anything that just occurs to me I will post anyway.

why are you hard reading amrun as scum

her timing has been impeccable except for how quick she read us as town. other than that she is thinking the same thing at the exact time that I am thinking when it comes to her posts in the thread. I mean there are some sites where she would be hailed as the Ulitmate Scum Queen From Hell for doing this as scum so my question is does this fit with her scum meta?

and whinging about large games wtf

^ let's talk about that

[macmollie]

I'm hitting a sweet stream of consciousness spot. If anyone is around and wants to discuss the game, now is the time before I pass out.

This is where I am at the moment. Take advantage now if you're around because goodness knows when I'll hit one next.

Why dredge up this post to quote it, CDB? When I'm in that mode, I don't want to spend time poking about stuff that is not important. Anything around that post, or...?


mollie: Why aren't you talking with Mac about me? You've never played with me, yes, but Mac has seen me play in Xylbot as scum and my scum play is miles away from my Town play. What is

Mac

's read on me? I want you to answer this, not Mac.

As for Pandora and Quilford, it's a reference to A Dance with Dragons Mafia. Tammy knows what I'm talking about; Pandora was a scum hydra and Quilford, who is notorious for flaking out and being particularly bored with scum games, flaked out and left his better-scum partner playing with nary a peep.

you are not in mac's crosshairs. that is his read on you.

[macmollie]

why are you hard reading amrun as scum

her timing has been impeccable except for how quick she read us as town. other than that she is thinking the same thing at the exact time that I am thinking when it comes to her posts in the thread. I mean there are some sites where she would be hailed as the Ulitmate Scum Queen From Hell for doing this as scum so my question is does this fit with her scum meta?

I don't know Amrun's on-site meta very well at all and I only know her face-to-face meta slightly better than that. However, I will now go back and seek whatever it was that made me scumread here - but that thing about Reck is a good place to start on its own.

why

reck even said he needed a fire under his butt to get him motivated.

I only ever play large games on special occasions (invitationals or truly irresistible flavour). I much prefer smaller games. And I am not alone!

okay

[macmollie]

Yeeeeah okay. I wanted to say that Amrun is more relaxed Today than she was Yesterday and that was the weight lifted from her one scumgame--but that doesn't even make sense with the number of games she's in.

I want to lynch the hell out of Venmar for suggesting multiball/suggesting that AV was killed by scum. Didn't do it with Amrun in Maf.Raptured and I'm still biting myself over that one.

mollie? Mac's read on me. I don't want this tomorrow, I want it

now

.

Boring.

So... that's the extent of your intra-hydra discussion, when you keep being curious about me?

(Hint: I'm Town.)

yeah you are not talked about much.

of course I am interested. one head is more interested than the other since by your own observation they have never played with you.

[macmollie]

okay, laying out some thoughts and questions here.

I don't know what to make of the tierce/amrun fight I mean usually I am the one who is smack in the middle of tard fights I mean whoa. it reminds me little bit fery and I except our spats usually descend into her calling me retarded and me calling her a cunt and then we just tell each other to fuck off lol. I have learned over the years that the fight itself is a null tell for both of us since we have both done it as both alignments. surprised that amrun is being so thin-skinned about it though.

@ tierce

I don't like your dismissal of nacho saying you were scum stalling by calling it trolling. nacho is a massive troll but he does not troll the game by calling people scum if he doesn't think they are cos it muddies the waters. he knows I will go back and take his reads into consideration so yeah I think you are full of shit, I think he was beginning to become unsure about you. and I am gonna take a stab that you don't know what I mean by scum theatre, it is when someone is scumming it up for affect and it can be done by one scum or scum can do it with each other.

@ reck

I have been wanting to play with you for like ever and I feel a little let down cos you aren't playing. I don't want you to sub out and I don't want you lynched due to inactivity either if you are town so pretty plz with sugar on top try to get your head in the game.

@ cdb

you are my strongest town read and I want to work with you. there is something that nacho and I do that I want to try with you if you are townreading me. it is called triangulation and it is where 2 people who town read each other pull a third person into a convo, they both interact with them a good bit and then compare notes and come up with a joint read. it is kind of similar to what you do with a hydra except that the convo takes place in the game thread and you do not for sure know the other person's alignment. plus you get 2 votes. does this sound like something you might be interested in? cos I would really like to try it.

I think you are off base about amrun. putting pressure on an inactive player is a town move cos it pulls people into the game when as scum you

want

everyone to go in lurk mode so that they become apathetic and lose interest and start to make mistakes due to low interest. also so that your own lurking doesn't stand out.

@ nexus

still treating you as town. you like to fly solo I get it but I am still going to try to work off of your reads. I get where you are coming from about cabd. I have him as unsure leaning town, the townish part comes from his reach out to me. I don't think he would do that with me as scum, especially the way he is going about it. yes he can look pretty terrible but I am leaning town. can we come back to this convo in a week or 2?

@ cabd

if you read this post then you know what I mean by triangulation does that sound like something you would be interested in? also can you give me a list of reads plz.

@inhim

lol are you being serious. there is no way in hell I am on the same scum team as cabd that would mean I hardballed apple into replacing out or did you forget about that whole kerfuffle? and you will have to explain to me the scum advantage for mentioning multi-ball on d1. if it was multi-ball I would be announcing to the other scum team that I was scum and they would be all like oh hai, lets push the lynch on that cos we can get easy town credz <--- that would be retarded why are you accusing me of being a retard. mentioning it on d1 in the way that I did (as flavour spec and site meta) as a tool of wifom would only get me so much mileage I mean as soon the as the nks were revealed it would kind of point to a certain direction doncha think? so that lazy weak-assed accusation of me being scum cos I mentioned it is just dumb and I doubt you will get any traction from it.

all in all I find your scum list and the reasons you have given to be pretty lazy. you subbed into a null/leaning scum slot so if you are town you are going to have to give up a good bit more than that. so far you have not a thing to change my mind except you are putting a bit of effort but that is null.

[macmollie]

@ cabd

if you read this post then you know what I mean by triangulation does that sound like something you would be interested in? also can you give me a list of reads plz.

Yeah, I can make that happen tonight.

okay I am town reading amrun, cbd, nexus, and mebbe tsunami mebbe generic.

I want dekes lynched. players that need to be sorted are tierce, venny, anka, desp, inhim, mebbe reck but I think the hammer looked townish. tell me what your list looks like.

to the rest of you that was what nacho was trying to do on d1 with me but I just wasn't reading him as town. its a strategy he kind of picked up from tr cos it works.

[macmollie]

So how does missing hat change your read, inhim?

It doesn't actually, I knew I didn't miss a vote.

This was after the KA wagon was dismantled. Means not much after all.

lol

it doesn't matter if the wagon was dismantled at that point, it could have gathered legs at any time. your join date says 2004 and that is what you want to try to come at me with? lol

it looks like you are reaching for reasons to justify a sticky bad read.

[macmollie]

So how does missing hat change your read, inhim?

And besides,

I still read macmollie as roled

. I've already said it once, may as well just be out front about it.

[macmollie]

^ what does that even mean

[macmollie]

Mollie are you scum this game? You asked me if we could compare notes and I gave them to you, but you never followed up on it and now you're ignoring me again.

that you are even asking me this is why you are in the unsure/need to sort pile. and I believe I did respond I am still waiting for you to start town telling like you promised you would.

[macmollie]

okay if he thinks that then why the fuck would he point it out if he thinks it is even a remote possibility

[macmollie]

So how does missing hat change your read, inhim?

It doesn't actually, I knew I didn't miss a vote.

This was after the KA wagon was dismantled. Means not much after all.

lol

it doesn't matter if the wagon was dismantled at that point, it could have gathered legs at any time. your join date says 2004 and that is what you want to try to come at me with? lol

it looks like you are reaching for reasons to justify a sticky bad read.

It could have gathered legs? It was falling apart at the seams. And even if it

could

have, it didn't, so we didn't get to see how you'd react if it did.

do you have an actual point here or are you just posturing cos it kind of looks like you are

[macmollie]

Mollie are you scum this game? You asked me if we could compare notes and I gave them to you, but you never followed up on it and now you're ignoring me again.

that you are even asking me this is why you are in the unsure/need to sort pile. and I believe I did respond I am still waiting for you to start town telling like you promised you would.

No, you didn't. I checked.

And I have to ask that because your townreads are disappointing and I can't towntell if you aren't interested in talking to me.

Now either quote your response to #892 or get to it.

erm, that was on d1, a lynch happened and so did nks when you come to me with something new then I will respond. I am not going to go back and answer questions when there is new info on the table for us to digest. do you know who does not take in new info but harps on unanswered questions while not doing anything to progress their reads? scum that is who.

if you were town and had such a hard to interact with me I would think that

you would be asking me questions in this day round

but you are not. <---- scum motivated post = scum role pm.

VOTE: desperado

[macmollie]

okay if he thinks that then why the fuck would he point it out if he thinks it is even a remote possibility

Because when we get rid of everyone that's roled, town wins.

^ scum #3 (or #2 depends on dekes)

town doesn't win by rolefishing their specials

[macmollie]

lol, desp omg I wanna play every game with you if you are this easy to read

you gonna adress my point about what are your new thoughts in the d2 round or are you going to try to push that lame pathetic point of me not responding to what you said on d1? I mean really?

and you saying I am...hostile? omg god the lulz cos I think there some people who might know me in this game who know that I am not being hostile.

lol

I mean I am really smiling and chuckling to myself you are terrible at this.

[macmollie]

It's more like "Mollie are you scum because you pretended you wanted to engage with me but then never did and are now voting me for wanting to engage with you and I can't towntell you with that attitude."

Compare mollie's attitude towards me in #890 vs #1191. She was perfectly ready to powwow with me, I immediately responded, she never responded back, and now I'm tyrin to re-engage and she immediately votes me because she thinks I was asking her to answer D1 questions when I clearly wasn't?

where are you wanting me to engage with you on d2? and I am voting you cos you are fosing me for not responding to your d2 post and that is exactly what you are doing. it is right here in the thread.

quick, you and inhim spam up the thread so that this will get buried and mebbe people won't notice.

I am going to push this lynch until he is lynched so guess who you get to meet desp:

[macmollie]

Im torn on this desp and macmollie argument.

Desp is clearly (to me anyway) being antagonistic in his wording, but there are some legitimate statements to the reason behind the intent.

Macmollie is being passive aggressive, and its rare to see that in mafia (again from my perspective). That's not black and white, and given its an Hydra I have to weigh the fact it could be two spate people reacting. If not its disturbingly tactical, if its hydra indecision then it ends up null.

Either way right now im not sure if I want to touch either of your wagons.

am I being passive aggressive or am I being openly hostile

generic what is your criteria for scum behaviour

[macmollie]

desp you are terrible at playing scum that is what you are terrible at.

you are fosing me for "ignoring" you, but d1 was over and done and I see nothing new that you have posted on d2 for me to respond to and you are calling me scummy for it and trying to paint some nefarious intention around it.

mebbe you ought to go and think about that for a minute

[macmollie]

You should vote Nexus then, a nice compromise.

it isn't going to happen

venny fucking work with me here if you are town

[macmollie]

I do not like Desperado's case. (stick that in your pipe, macmollie )

then mebbe you will be able to eke out some town cred by voting him cos I don't think we are seeing town desp here

it will buy you some time I guess

[macmollie]

desp you are terrible at playing scum that is what you are terrible at.

you are fosing me for "ignoring" you, but d1 was over and done and I see nothing new that you have posted on d2 for me to respond to and you are calling me scummy for it and trying to paint some nefarious intention around it.

mebbe you ought to go and think about that for a minute

No comments on the back and forth between Generic and I at daystart?

no. not really. I had you both as leaning town.

And you're missing the point. You asked me to compare notes, and I did, and then the conversation just ended. You didn't seem like you were still trying to sort me out in #890, so what changed?

the day ended and a whole bunch of stuff happened.

what changed is that you opportunistically jumped on me by shadowing inhim's push with really retarded reasons and I have this idea in my head (feel free to disabuse me of this if I am wrong) that you are not retarded.

I work with my town reads, I am not going to work with you if I don't think you are town.

[macmollie]

I do not like Desperado's case. (stick that in your pipe, macmollie )

then mebbe you will be able to eke out some town cred by voting him cos

I don't think we are seeing town desp here

it will buy you some time I guess

Tell me more about what town desperado is like, mollie, and which games you're using to found the meta read.

Because I have a hunch that you're just talking out of your ass right now.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

scum flail spotted itt

your post don't come from a town POV

town posts >>>> town motivation >>>> town motivated posts

explain the town motivation in your posts.

*anticipates aTe*

[macmollie]

I do not like Desperado's case. (stick that in your pipe, macmollie )

then mebbe you will be able to eke out some town cred by voting him cos I don't think we are seeing town desp here

it will buy you some time I guess

It's possible, though at the moment if I were to vote one of your scumreads it would be Dekes.

dekes will get himself lynched unless he blazes into the game with all barrels firing. I am not worried about dekes as much as I am worried about scummy looking role-fishing you and terrible should be today's lynch desp.

but how sweet of you to suddenly take an interest in my scumreads.

tell me moar about how protown you are by laying out the foundation for further analysis later in the game I mean I guess you aren't worried about a nk huh.

[macmollie]

So when I stop voting Nexus the lead goes away?

Yes, the case on Nexus revolves around his ISO being filled with scumreads that come from players doing bad things, but then Metal Sonic does the objectively Most Bad Thing of D1, but Nexus says he's bad but town? It's a scum motivated contradiction.

I don't even know what you're implying in your last line. I can't even commit to the vote? How do you figure that?

And please explain how that's me OMGUSing mollie when I started the conversation by FOSing her, and she is pretty blatantly making up her meta read on me? She's approaching me as if she knows what town desperado looks like but there's really no way for her to know that for sure. You know how else I know she hasn't actually researched my meta? She thinks I'm terrible at playing scum.

well if you flip scum I will have a baseline won't I

and I like to think that I am not retarded at this game and can sometimes spot scum w/o any meta at all.

want proof? sometimes it is early, sometimes it is late and sometimes never at all

you look scummy desp

[macmollie]

lol, desp omg I wanna play every game with you if you are this easy to read

you gonna adress my point about what are your new thoughts in the d2 round or are you going to try to push that lame pathetic point of me not responding to what you said on d1? I mean really?

and you saying I am...hostile? omg god the lulz cos I think there some people who might know me in this game who know that I am not being hostile.

lol

I mean I am really smiling and chuckling to myself you are terrible at this.

desp you are terrible at playing scum that is what you are terrible at.

you are fosing me for "ignoring" you, but d1 was over and done and I see nothing new that you have posted on d2 for me to respond to and you are calling me scummy for it and trying to paint some nefarious intention around it.

mebbe you ought to go and think about that for a minute

I do not like Desperado's case. (stick that in your pipe, macmollie )

then mebbe you will be able to eke out some town cred by voting him cos I don't think we are seeing town desp here

it will buy you some time I guess

These three posts very clearly are saying "I know Desperado's meta, and this is not town Desperado."

Your opinion on my meta (that this isn't town-me and that I am terrible at playing scum) are impossible to support and spectacularly wrong, respectively.

So why are you lying about your meta on me mollie?

those 3 posts are saying I think I have sense of your personality.

and that isn't why I am scumreading you. it has to do with your posts not striking me as town.

[macmollie]

So when I stop voting Nexus the lead goes away?

Yes, the case on Nexus revolves around his ISO being filled with scumreads that come from players doing bad things, but then Metal Sonic does the objectively Most Bad Thing of D1, but Nexus says he's bad but town? It's a scum motivated contradiction.

I don't even know what you're implying in your last line. I can't even commit to the vote? How do you figure that?

And please explain how that's me OMGUSing mollie when I started the conversation by FOSing her, and she is pretty blatantly making up her meta read on me? She's approaching me as if she knows what town desperado looks like but there's really no way for her to know that for sure. You know how else I know she hasn't actually researched my meta? She thinks I'm terrible at playing scum.

well if you flip scum I will have a baseline won't I

and I like to think that I am not retarded at this game and can sometimes spot scum w/o any meta at all.

want proof? sometimes it is early, sometimes it is late and sometimes never at all

you look scummy desp

That isn't what you said. You said "this is not town desp." Meaning you know what town desp looks like and this isn't it.

You

clearly

implied you were using meta to establish your read and are now backtracking.

why were you so worried that I was ignoring you?

[macmollie]

Time for Kill 'Em or Keep 'Em!

Kill 'Em -
Dekes
Desperado
Cabd
xReckonerx
macmollie
ChannelDelibird
Ankamius
Venmar
Amrun

Keep 'Em -
Tierce
Generic
tsunami
Nexus


Oh boy, looks like death is on the menu. I need to sort through the huge for-death pile and try to keep some more.

why is cdb in your kill em pile

[macmollie]

I do not like Desperado's case. (stick that in your pipe, macmollie )

then mebbe you will be able to eke out some town cred by voting him cos I don't think we are seeing town desp here

it will buy you some time I guess

It's possible, though at the moment if I were to vote one of your scumreads it would be Dekes.

dekes will get himself lynched unless he blazes into the game with all barrels firing. I am not worried about dekes as much as I am worried about scummy looking role-fishing you and terrible should be today's lynch desp.

but how sweet of you to suddenly take an interest in my scumreads.

tell me moar about how protown you are by laying out the foundation for further analysis later in the game I mean I guess you aren't worried about a nk huh.

I'm your Huckleberry.

I try to at least take some note of everyone's scumreads. Certainly does help later in the game. To that end, I should make some death tiers.

nah. you are more like tom sawyer if you are town.

you went from a scum pool of 3 to a scum pool of ten million.

explain that

[macmollie]

Hasn't impressed me and very finicky voting preferences.

so why no push?

[macmollie]

For-Death and Not-For-Death do not exclusively mean Scum and Town, as you should be able to properly interpret. I'm just taking those that I don't particularly feel are Town and lumping them into the For-Death pile.

And then, nowhere did I say cabd, reck, macmollie were my only 3 scumreads, or did I actually call them my scumreads.

I specifically stated, in my incomplete analysis of Day 1 voting trends, that if cabd were scum i'd be killing reck/macmollie. Then I gave my opinion on which of those I'd be willing to run up. In the vacuum, Reck is truly a scumread, cabd is like taking care of unfinished business, and you would be if I were going to start barking up a suspected PR's tree.

why is scumreading cabd taking care of business?

[macmollie]

Hasn't impressed me and very finicky voting preferences.

so why no push?

Reck's the prize today imo.

no

[macmollie]

For-Death and Not-For-Death do not exclusively mean Scum and Town, as you should be able to properly interpret. I'm just taking those that I don't particularly feel are Town and lumping them into the For-Death pile.

And then, nowhere did I say cabd, reck, macmollie were my only 3 scumreads, or did I actually call them my scumreads.

I specifically stated, in my incomplete analysis of Day 1 voting trends, that if cabd were scum i'd be killing reck/macmollie. Then I gave my opinion on which of those I'd be willing to run up. In the vacuum, Reck is truly a scumread, cabd is like taking care of unfinished business, and you would be if I were going to start barking up a suspected PR's tree.

why is scumreading cabd taking care of business?

Cabd (KA) had an immense wagon on him, it ran alongside other options, reached a climax, and was dismantled. Oodles of information.

so why are you voting reck

that was me

[macmollie]

I'm flashy and vain.

is this about right

[macmollie]

where is the flash and vain in that

[macmollie]

Amrun - what is your read on ankamius?

Town

why?

[macmollie]

Metal Sonic does the objectively Most Bad Thing of D1,

Do you consider all fake day kills the objectively most BAD THING OF DAY 1?

Because if you do you're probably dumb.

It caused discussion and generated activity. So yeah.

The only thing it accomplished was getting him lynched. Can you point to some good discussion and activity that it generated?

PEdit: Generic, are you saying that I can't have multiple reads? I don't understand what you're criticizing exactly. I haven't even come close to abandoning it, what gave you that idea

And what is "convenient" about it? I started poking her with suspicious intent (that's what scumhunting is) and because she immediately voted me I no longer get to vote her without it being labeled OMGUS? What do you consider her vote?

You flit though from so tunnelled over it I must make comment on it cos you demanded it so, to considering macmollie the utter threat.

Which is the stronger case you have desperado?

I'm sorry, are we at the deadline or something? It honestly sounds like you're "accusing" me of scumhunting.

Neither case is even close to complete.

@ Mollie: because I was reading you as town and I feel confident about my ability to catch mac if you guys rolled scum anyway.

COME @ ME BRO.

but seriously desp I can't fathom out why you are voting us. like I can see mollie's point a bit on why she thinks you may be scum but your reason is like "U CANT META ME" and that's it. let me read a bit deeper but I want you to talk to me desp. not to mollie about this, but to me. she'll probably keep grilling you but if you talk to me I feel like there's a high chance we can establish our alignments together. if you think you can see scum-me then come and drink tea with me and realise that whatever you feel about mollie will all wash away with me. kinda like i'm a masseuse and she's the bitchy receptionist you hate.

what do you think the scum motivation is behind mollie's vote/reasoning? and can you not see the town motivation there?

why does it matter if you only have 4 games as town. that's enough to get a good read on someone? like I'm pretty sure you are saying you can catch me as scum because of WWE but that's one game. and by your logic, four games isn't enough and therefore you can't meta me. it's kinda hypocritical of you to suggest you can catch me but when mollie suggests it the other way round you get all up on your high horse and tell her she can't.

you know what the main issue I have with this entire saga between you and mollie? is that as soon as she says "this isn't townDesp" you get all SUPER DEFENSIVE and tell her she can't meta read you and THEREFORE she is lying scum.

it's a bit telling. the more I talk to myself in my head the more scummy you are to me. the thing that gets me most is that

you aren't trying to prove to mollie this is town desperado, you are trying to prove she can't read town Desperado.

through all of this, this is what stands out the most. this, I feel, is the least town motivated thing I've seen throughout the argument.

mollie might not be willing to sit this one out and chat Desp but I am. you think you can find me as scum easily? see me for my true alignment then.

in other news... I still need to talk to mollie about this. there's some total WIFOM about nacho's death I can't convince myself to shake off but I'm sure mollie will slap me around the head abit once I tell her what I'm thinking.

[macmollie]

I have a weak scum read on Ank but I can't remember why. I'm curious as to why Amrun seems him as straight out town, because I literally can't remember a single thing he's posted.

[macmollie]

what do you think the scum motivation is behind mollie's vote/reasoning? and can you not see the town motivation there?

It's a powerful read and she appears to feel pretty strongly about it but my town meta is practically nonexistent and she has my scum meta completely wrong--that means she was lying when she said "This isn't town desp" because she has no idea what town desp looks like. I don't see any town motivation for making up a meta read, can you help me?

you don't seem to be grasping that as soon as you have completed a town game, you have town meta. mollie evidently feels she has some reason to believe that you aren't playing like you have in these games. i'm going to ask her about this and try and clear the air a bit cos I feel like it's muddied down in "he said, she said" kinda territory. I can't imagine that she's just made this up out of thin air: she has no reason too.

why does it matter if you only have 4 games as town. that's enough to get a good read on someone? like I'm pretty sure you are saying you can catch me as scum because of WWE but that's one game. and by your logic, four games isn't enough and therefore you can't meta me. it's kinda hypocritical of you to suggest you can catch me but when mollie suggests it the other way round you get all up on your high horse and tell her she can't.

1) I was actually in WWE with you. Mollie and I have no completed games together.
2) Like I explained, while I have "4" completed town games, one was abandoned D2, another only lasted 6 pages (ask Tierce if you want to hear that story, she can probably tell it better), and I died N1 in the third. So when the only completed town game I have is WWE, and she is totally wrong about me being terrible at playing scum, I am forced to assume that she didn't actually research my meta, which means she's basing her meta read on ongoing games that do not include a flip from me, which means she made it up.

1) is true about about me and you being in WWE. the second sentence is pretty irrelevant
2) again, it does not matter whether the game last 6, 60 or 600 pages. basing this entirely off assumption, you died n1 means you must have been doing something right and been pretty town. also you trainwrecked us in wwe. you are good as town, and really useful.

perhaps mollie is trying to put across the idea that you are not being so useful in this game (which is kinda the feeling I'm getting). perhaps she's not. perhaps you have a towntell. I will talk to her in time.

you know what the main issue I have with this entire saga between you and mollie? is that as soon as she says "this isn't townDesp" you get all SUPER DEFENSIVE and tell her she can't meta read you and THEREFORE she is lying scum.

But she can't meta me, and she is lying. I'd actually say I was getting...offensive. Because she lied.

she can. I can. everyone in this game can meta you.

it's a bit telling. the more I talk to myself in my head the more scummy you are to me. the thing that gets me most is that

you aren't trying to prove to mollie this is town desperado, you are trying to prove she can't read town Desperado.

through all of this, this is what stands out the most. this, I feel, is the least town motivated thing I've seen throughout the argument.

If I don't disabuse her of her incorrect presumptions first how can I ever hope to actually towntell to her? She's already decided that she isn't seeing town desperado based on illegitimate reasons, so I'm taking care of that first.

again I must point to the fact you can be meta'd. I don't know why you seem adamant you cant. the only way you couldn't is if you had never been town but the fact remains you have and I really don't like the way you are staunchly refusing the fact that mollie is using a meta read on you.

mollie might not be willing to sit this one out and chat Desp but I am. you think you can find me as scum easily? see me for my true alignment then.

At the very least this post looks absolutely, positively nothing like you from WWE. So that's a start.

indeed.

[macmollie]

when mollie gets here im sure she'll be screaming to deal with you cabd!

[macmollie]

it's great isn't it?

also I referred to mollie a lot in that previous post, and I don't think she talks about herself much in third person

[macmollie]

Spoiler: response

what do you think the scum motivation is behind mollie's vote/reasoning? and can you not see the town motivation there?

It's a powerful read and she appears to feel pretty strongly about it but my town meta is practically nonexistent and she has my scum meta completely wrong--that means she was lying when she said "This isn't town desp" because she has no idea what town desp looks like. I don't see any town motivation for making up a meta read, can you help me?

you don't seem to be grasping that as soon as you have completed a town game, you have town meta. mollie evidently feels she has some reason to believe that you aren't playing like you have in these games. i'm going to ask her about this and try and clear the air a bit cos I feel like it's muddied down in "he said, she said" kinda territory. I can't imagine that she's just made this up out of thin air: she has no reason too.

And you don't seem to be grasping that she also thinks I'm terrible at playing scum when I'm not. If she thinks I'm scum because she researched my my completed games and I'm not playing to my town meta, surely she would have also checked my scum meta, right?

And if she's basing it on WWE why hasn't she mentioned that yet? Why, when I asked her which games she used to conclude that this is not Town Desp, was this her response?

I do not like Desperado's case. (stick that in your pipe, macmollie )

then mebbe you will be able to eke out some town cred by voting him cos

I don't think we are seeing town desp here

it will buy you some time I guess

Tell me more about what town desperado is like, mollie, and which games you're using to found the meta read.

Because I have a hunch that you're just talking out of your ass right now.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

scum flail spotted itt

your post don't come from a town POV

town posts >>>> town motivation >>>> town motivated posts

explain the town motivation in your posts.

*anticipates aTe*

pretty sure he she is telling you why she thinks you are not town, not what townDesp is like. I think i'm getting a hang of this. you have to talk to her about this part in particular

why does it matter if you only have 4 games as town. that's enough to get a good read on someone? like I'm pretty sure you are saying you can catch me as scum because of WWE but that's one game. and by your logic, four games isn't enough and therefore you can't meta me. it's kinda hypocritical of you to suggest you can catch me but when mollie suggests it the other way round you get all up on your high horse and tell her she can't.

1) I was actually in WWE with you. Mollie and I have no completed games together.
2) Like I explained, while I have "4" completed town games, one was abandoned D2, another only lasted 6 pages (ask Tierce if you want to hear that story, she can probably tell it better), and I died N1 in the third. So when the only completed town game I have is WWE, and she is totally wrong about me being terrible at playing scum, I am forced to assume that she didn't actually research my meta, which means she's basing her meta read on ongoing games that do not include a flip from me, which means she made it up.

1) is true about about me and you being in WWE. the second sentence is pretty irrelevant
2) again, it does not matter whether the game last 6, 60 or 600 pages. basing this entirely off assumption, you died n1 means you must have been doing something right and been pretty town. also you trainwrecked us in wwe. you are good as town, and really useful.

perhaps mollie is trying to put across the idea that you are not being so useful in this game (which is kinda the feeling I'm getting). perhaps she's not. perhaps you have a towntell. I will talk to her in time.

I was good in WWE and I got killed in House of Cards because my ability was known (closed setup) and very dangerous to the scum.

I was definitely NOT good in Curse of Peladon or Pokemon.

And again, why is it that you have to answer this? Why did she completely avoid talking about which games she used, and in fact imply that she wasn't giving a meta read at all?

i'm here she isn't. next

Here:

So when I stop voting Nexus the lead goes away?

Yes, the case on Nexus revolves around his ISO being filled with scumreads that come from players doing bad things, but then Metal Sonic does the objectively Most Bad Thing of D1, but Nexus says he's bad but town? It's a scum motivated contradiction.

I don't even know what you're implying in your last line. I can't even commit to the vote? How do you figure that?

And please explain how that's me OMGUSing mollie when I started the conversation by FOSing her, and she is pretty blatantly making up her meta read on me? She's approaching me as if she knows what town desperado looks like but there's really no way for her to know that for sure. You know how else I know she hasn't actually researched my meta? She thinks I'm terrible at playing scum.

well if you flip scum I will have a baseline won't I

and I like to think that I am not retarded at this game and can sometimes spot scum w/o any meta at all.

want proof? sometimes it is early, sometimes it is late and sometimes never at all

you look scummy desp

lol, desp omg I wanna play every game with you if you are this easy to read

you gonna adress my point about what are your new thoughts in the d2 round or are you going to try to push that lame pathetic point of me not responding to what you said on d1? I mean really?

and you saying I am...hostile? omg god the lulz cos I think there some people who might know me in this game who know that I am not being hostile.

lol

I mean I am really smiling and chuckling to myself you are terrible at this.

desp you are terrible at playing scum that is what you are terrible at.

you are fosing me for "ignoring" you, but d1 was over and done and I see nothing new that you have posted on d2 for me to respond to and you are calling me scummy for it and trying to paint some nefarious intention around it.

mebbe you ought to go and think about that for a minute

I do not like Desperado's case. (stick that in your pipe, macmollie )

then mebbe you will be able to eke out some town cred by voting him cos I don't think we are seeing town desp here

it will buy you some time I guess

These three posts very clearly are saying "I know Desperado's meta, and this is not town Desperado."

Your opinion on my meta (that this isn't town-me and that I am terrible at playing scum) are impossible to support and spectacularly wrong, respectively.

So why are you lying about your meta on me mollie?

those 3 posts are saying I think I have sense of your personality.

and that isn't why I am scumreading you. it has to do with your posts not striking me as town.

^That's why me and mollie not having any completed games is relevant. She backtracks and says she "has a sense of my personality" that can only come from ongoing games (so it's not relevant and never was, rendering her "This is not town desp" comment empty).

you know what the main issue I have with this entire saga between you and mollie? is that as soon as she says "this isn't townDesp" you get all SUPER DEFENSIVE and tell her she can't meta read you and THEREFORE she is lying scum.

But she can't meta me, and she is lying. I'd actually say I was getting...offensive. Because she lied.

she can. I can. everyone in this game can meta you.

I'll rephrase. Mollie didn't meta me but pretended that she did, and then backtracked later when I called her out on being completely wrong.

I don't know if she ever claims to meta you at all, you know. I need a serious reread of this argument

it's a bit telling. the more I talk to myself in my head the more scummy you are to me. the thing that gets me most is that

you aren't trying to prove to mollie this is town desperado, you are trying to prove she can't read town Desperado.

through all of this, this is what stands out the most. this, I feel, is the least town motivated thing I've seen throughout the argument.

If I don't disabuse her of her incorrect presumptions first how can I ever hope to actually towntell to her? She's already decided that she isn't seeing town desperado based on illegitimate reasons, so I'm taking care of that first.

again I must point to the fact you can be meta'd. I don't know why you seem adamant you cant. the only way you couldn't is if you had never been town but the fact remains you have and I really don't like the way you are staunchly refusing the fact that mollie is using a meta read on you.

Mollie's meta read was fake. She made it up. If she had actually researched my games like she originally implied there is no way she would have come to the conclusions that she did. When I asked what games she used, she blatantly avoided the question and then claimed that she wasn't using meta at all. This is why I'm voting her.

this is just rubbish.

[macmollie]

HANG THE FUCK ON

[macmollie]

MOLLIE NEVER ONCE CLAIMS TO HAVE A META READ ON YOU!?

[macmollie]

she is telling you right there why she thinks you are not town in this game.

that's not a fucking meta read.

[macmollie]

So when I stop voting Nexus the lead goes away?

Yes, the case on Nexus revolves around his ISO being filled with scumreads that come from players doing bad things, but then Metal Sonic does the objectively Most Bad Thing of D1, but Nexus says he's bad but town? It's a scum motivated contradiction.

I don't even know what you're implying in your last line. I can't even commit to the vote? How do you figure that?

And please explain how that's me OMGUSing mollie when I started the conversation by FOSing her, and she is pretty blatantly making up her meta read on me? She's approaching me as if she knows what town desperado looks like but there's really no way for her to know that for sure. You know how else I know she hasn't actually researched my meta? She thinks I'm terrible at playing scum.

well if you flip scum I will have a baseline won't I

and I like to think that I am not retarded at this game and can sometimes spot scum w/o any meta at all.

want proof? sometimes it is early, sometimes it is late and sometimes never at all

you look scummy desp

mollie is telling you right there she hasn't got a meta read on you. it's there. in writing.

lol, desp omg I wanna play every game with you if you are this easy to read

you gonna adress my point about what are your new thoughts in the d2 round or are you going to try to push that lame pathetic point of me not responding to what you said on d1? I mean really?

and you saying I am...hostile? omg god the lulz cos I think there some people who might know me in this game who know that I am not being hostile.

lol

I mean I am really smiling and chuckling to myself you are terrible at this.

desp you are terrible at playing scum that is what you are terrible at.

you are fosing me for "ignoring" you, but d1 was over and done and I see nothing new that you have posted on d2 for me to respond to and you are calling me scummy for it and trying to paint some nefarious intention around it.

mebbe you ought to go and think about that for a minute

I do not like Desperado's case. (stick that in your pipe, macmollie )

then mebbe you will be able to eke out some town cred by voting him cos I don't think we are seeing town desp here

it will buy you some time I guess

These three posts very clearly are saying "I know Desperado's meta, and this is not town Desperado."

Your opinion on my meta (that this isn't town-me and that I am terrible at playing scum) are impossible to support and spectacularly wrong, respectively.

So why are you lying about your meta on me mollie?

those 3 posts are saying I think I have sense of your personality.

and that isn't why I am scumreading you. it has to do with your posts not striking me as town.

No she isn't.

Look mac. Mollie said "this isn't town desp." I

immediately

asked her if she was using a meta read. If she wasn't, why didn't she just say "no."?

Why did she say I'm "terrible at playing scum" as if she had a good baseline for that statement when it's

completely wrong

?

right there desp. in the bolded at the bottom. she is saying no. she is saying "those three posts are not based on meta, they are based on my sense of your personality"

and then

even SAYS she scumreads because she doesn't think your posts are town.

It. Is. There. In. Writing.

also we have now progressed from "I can't be meta'd" to "well, I could, but you haven't" and we can now FINALLY say "oh so you weren't even using meta?"

first slip EVUR

[macmollie]

venny why do you not think that nacho was the nk

also a game has ended so I get to use some meta! yaye!

@ cabd

consider this a shout out luv. lets get busy

@ inhim

you subbed into a slot that I was townreading but moved to scummy cos he subbed out. I townread him cos his play was so unsure in this game but the sub out wrt timing looked sus. pretty plz make it better. so far you are not really but I am wondering if it is an approach clash.

@ desp

where are you

@ tsunami

now you have done something interesting. it kinda makes feel better about desp but much worse about you. don't like your whole *poast of condescending whatever the fuck it was*

eta: xposts

[macmollie]

then walk me through that

eta: @ venny

[macmollie]

what is your take on things so far

[macmollie]

grrr...

I am wanting to talk about the dekes wagon

no I did not skip your reads

[macmollie]

what are you wanting to do exactly

[macmollie]

ohhhh nexxxxxuuuuuusssss

[macmollie]

why aren't you pushing a reck case?

[macmollie]

then why were you trying to steer me to your reads if you no longer felt confident about them?

[macmollie]

hhmmm....

[macmollie]

The desp vs macmollie bitch slapping text really messed the flow. Where are we at? Still no dekes, I still can't decide if desp vs macmollie is town vs scum or town vs town.

And yeah that's where I'm at.

Desperado and macmollie, what is your read on dekes?

well since I am the one who started the dekes wagon what does that tell you

Okay... I really dislike wall posting, especially when it's back and forth and back and forth. If you're going to wallpost, fine, but do me a favor and summarize it as succintly as possible afterwards or in a separate post so that I can read the wall for context if need be, but can get the gist without doing so.

That being said... what was the thrust of the whole macmollie clusterfuck the past few pages?

meh, I think I am over it. desp stepped in when I was pressuring inhim who was rolefishing like a mofo to fos me cos apparently I was neglecting him or something. I read him as scum for that cos the timing seemed a bit opportunistic to me.

so far here is a list of my reads:

inhim - rolefishing, he isn't scumhunting I mean he is sneakily sneaking around in very sneaky ways and everyone is letting him get away with it. he promised something flashy and shiny and I am still waiting for it. nacho had bro guy as scum and I understand why; bro's play in this game was very very different than in xeno. I think it bugged nacho that bro trusted my reads over his but there is a good reason for that i.e. xeno. so I didn't see it as scummy, but there are some things that he did that made me go a little hhhhmmm. but inhim is really scumming up that slot. he is in the upper tier of my scum list.

desperado - going on a desp diet for the mo, but I find it weird that he misunderstood what I was saying

that much.

I did like however his "wtf?" when inhim tried to justify his rolefishing by "oh at the end of the game you want only vts alive cos that is how town wins" cos I mean really,

wtf?

anybody who remotely thinks that is town motivated should probably fall on their sword or something it will be the only way they can regain their honour.

amrun - she is posting exactly what I am thinking at the time I am thinking it. <---- town tell for me. it has happened multiple times, enough that I have her down as town.

cabd - <----- must not lynch ever ever ever if you guys even

think

about it I will hunt you down and sneak into your bedroom window while you sleep and hold a pillow over your face until you are no longer breathing. I will do this even though according to him

I AM NOT THAT IMPORTANT.

tierce/tsunami - not liking either of them tbh. I don't buy for a second that nacho was just trolling tierce. I mebbe he was just poking for a reaction but I don't like how they are both dismissing it and trying to ride on nacho's town read on them. tierce bugs me more than tammy.

venny - unsure. I think I am leaning town though.

generic - I think he is probably town but he is whiny.

cdb - I still think he is town. strongest town read.

nexus - I think he might have been eaten by direwolves or something I mean where did he go. he also isn't doing much so back to unsure but I am trusting cdb on this.

reck - hasn't done much but I think is probably town.

dekes - okay lets see what his replacement does I guess. still not a fan of him and I lean scum.

if I have not mentioned you it is probably cos y'all are boring or lurky scum. will probably be pushing those staying away from the activity in the game I mean it isn't like there isn't a whole bunch of stuff to comment on.

[macmollie]

Hello everyone, I am currently VLA until Sunday, so when I can I will read to catch up. I am also UCT +4, see you Sunday.

aaaaaaand this does not make me feel one iota better about this slot

[macmollie]

Mollie:

Have I been huffing glue because I am confused on your cabd read. I thought you thought killer apple was totally scum? What changed? I kind of forgot that whole shitfest happened.

Personally I had KA as town in the end but cabd has been meeeh for me. I tried to engage tierce on this subject but I can't remember if she had posted since -- either way no response as of yet.

yes I had apple as scum and was pretty convinced. but cabd makes it better and has completely changed my mind. he feels town to me, mostly him butting heads with me a bit about desp.

[macmollie]

@ desp

his answers to my questions weren't satisfying either but I am wondering if it is a playstyle thing.

agree with you that generic's response was the scummiest however I find it more interesting in the people who stayed away from like inhim. I don't care if he is using mafia strategies from the 1890s I think he looks scummy I mean he seemed pretty pleased with our tard fight.

I will talk with mac about nexus but his earlier kerfuffle with mac felt townish. and you may not understand it (I really don't know) but I do about being able to read certain players with absolute certainty cos of how much experience you have with them. that is why I am trusting his read for now.

[macmollie]

they are not hard town reads. my hard town reads are cabd, amrun and cdb.

didn't I just explain my read on nexus? :/

generic it is the way he handled himself with metal but I do not like his amnesiac moments where he seemed to have forgotten that I started the dekes wagon yet at the time he was questioning it but now seems to want to vaguely support it.

[macmollie]

oops

[macmollie]

you still better do some work

[macmollie]

and have you done your hw yet cos I am waiting for that

[macmollie]

yeah not yet, I am not done yet

that was me obviously

[macmollie]

okay

desp you have finally done that thing I really needed you to do. thank you. I <3 u.

town read on desp.

you know when I first heard of the amished tell I thought it was retarded but I have been surprised at how accurate it is.

cabd, amrun, cdb and desp who are your top 3 scum reads.

[macmollie]

jesus christ

@ tsunami

lol. I am not even sure I need to say anything else

eta: no one hammer. did dekes breadcrumb

[macmollie]

My head hurts from reading. And fuck Billy Idol!

Apple's wagon looks juicy...mmh, apple juice...where was I? Oh, right, I mean, the rap sheet's there: evasion, deflection, contradiction, fencesitting, bullshitting in general. The whole nine yards and then some. But I still sense a tingly feeling, or maybe a foul stench of a lynch for dumbassery incoming and I'm not sure if it's scum dumbassery or town dumbassery yet.

Nacho, on the other hand, is being more concerned with disproving mollie's alleged scum tell on him and he's riding the counter wagon. And I don't like like half of his town list. And I like mollie. So...

Torn. I'll get back to those later. We got time.

ChannelDeliBird
Nexus
BROseidon

Dudes actively avoiding the thread. Pick your poison. Vote count says I'm already on CDB, so it's all good.

pedit:
Apple's looking real baaad. Start being useful if you're town. Kthx. I need some sleep now.
And no, he isn't.

wrt bold: will be interesting with the flip

[macmollie]

Also didn't see any crumbs, but other peeps should check too.

nothing that points to anka as a block

[macmollie]

dekes wasn't a moron he was scummy

[macmollie]

Yes Amrun your post was childish and immature, I made an honest statement and if that has been twisted by narrow mindedness then this game is lost anyway.

What a lot of sheep there are in here. I am not scum FFS, but hey you lot are so caught up in paranoia that you don't even want to consider an honest mistake . I have a very strong PR and you are about to lose it:

Claim Robin Flint House Stark Roleblocker.

Will end up NK'd now so do what you want, I have not even made 10 posts so I have no way of arguing this. Pathetic and completely ridiculous bandwagon based on a rather bigoted named tell, if there is such a tell.

If you decide to believe me then fine if not enjoy your game.

Flavor please.

wat

[macmollie]

if you are town and you just self-hammered then hell no I never want to play another game with you.

if you are scum you should do something snazzy like quote shakespeare or something or tell town to eat a dick.