Mini 1468: Legends of the Hidden Temple- Game Over!

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hi wis!

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eta: ap, majiffy is hairier

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<3 ap

is this like a polygamy game set up? I played one and I learned some things.

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VOTE: wis

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are we supposed to go 1v1 or something? I don't understand

can we later change it?

I don't get the set-up

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okay well that changes things a bit and pretty much fucks up a good portion of how I obtain my reads.

waiting to talk to majiffy

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eta: stfu ap, I am texting him right now

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I never implied you were scum, Wisdom. If I had conviction on that end, I would have said so.

Eno, 5 sounds good. The main thing is we don't want to end up with only one suspect in the lynch pool in case (s)he becomes obvious town. Also having dueling wagons is always helpful for later analysis.

Furthermore, letting scum choose whether or not they are in the lynch pool by only choosing one side of the challenge removes a town advantage that we should absolutely have.

And Wisdom is probably town because he's engaging in risky behavior for scum.

I'm one of the more experienced players in the game

, which makes attacking me for, essentially, being too pro-town and being extremely rude in the process an intimidating one for scum. It's still risky even if I were a newer player, though a little less so. Either way being rude for rudeness sake is a quick way to make enemies and scum desire NOT to do this. Some people are rude no matter what, but either way I'm happy setting him aside for the day.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

and you say wis is the one with the ego?????

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....ah

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Also, fwiw; I would attack you the same way if I was scum. I am not hesistant in such matters. This is a really bad reason to townread me.

yabbut your arguments are really dumb when you are scum

<3 wis

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yabbut your arguments are really dumb when you are scum

Did that prevent me from winning last time? xD

I blame nacho

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Blame me instead, my plan

was

to fool Nacho and win that way.

yabbut mac and I both scumread you and nacho talked us out of it

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And it is just a basic fact. Sorry if that bothers you.

P-edit 2: my particular scummies say almost nothing about my relative talent. It can, however, be intimidating to inexperienced players.

"are you threatened by my ideas???"

lol

probably town

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wis I am waiting to talk to majiffy

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eta: chill the fuck out

eta2: cos he is my partner and I do not want to obsessively trolleytrack on him again

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cos I do not see scum using their experience as leverage to push an idea

eta: strangecoug usually it is scum who whine about game length, start times, etc tell me it isn't so

eta: I am commenting you dummy

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Why do you want to talk to Majiffy?

I want you to read this question slowly and then come back and tell me why it is stupid

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Wisdom is town

.

Amrun is scum. Off the bat strategy speculation is definitely more likely to come from scum than town and I love how she is trying to prove shes town in 94 without just saying she is. The argument with wisdom makes zero sense from a town perspective, especially since she thinks hes town.

We should all also agree to use the vote tags for real votes because it's a different color.

Why does this matter?

If people are reading and comprehending the thread, there is no need for overly formatted voting. That just lets people be lazy and skim crap anyways.

we will lose this game fast.

appeal to fear. And probably not unless you think its scum just targeting town/town groups and if that is the case then just PL their scumbutts for doing stupid shit like that. Self-correcting problem.

Wow, and that talk about experience is BULLSHIT and completely irrelevant. Experience does not make someone a better player and really why the hell are you arguing this? You could be scumhunting people but instead you are having a pointless argument with someone you think is town - or do you?

Oh and the quick shift of tones suggests that amrun was faking all that outrage in the first place - which she was because shes scum so.

I think you need to take a look at this game:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=28979

before jumping to that read. cos I am starting to feel some similarities.

eta: xposts

eno what is your read on wis? even though you bailed in that game you were scummates for like IRL day or 2

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Enomis is likely scum

where are you coming up with this stuff I don't get it

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And implies she is town for speculating on all this common sense and AtF in the first place? No.

Town typically doesn't argue bullshit with someone they think is town

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that isn't true and you know it. people get into dumb arguments all of the time over stupid stuff cos it is more important for them to be right than to focus on the game and play well for their team

ap you felt really good last night what happened

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Why do you want to talk to Majiffy?

I want you to read this question slowly and then come back and tell me why it is stupid

mollie, you said this towards the beginning of the game too (that you want to talk to Majiffy first), and it's stupid. You don't have to talk to Majiffy first before doing other things.

first off it NOT stupid to want to talk to your partner and feel them out cos if I townread him I will probably orient my game around him unless goes after my townreads. why are you undermining my play?

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re: this whole dumb experience argument

I know players who have been playing for years and are legitimately still terrible. they make no effort to improve their game and are quite lazy. on the inverse I have seen some newbs nail scum early on but some dummies will dismiss their reads cos they think experience equates with skill and raw talent and it does not.

I think amrun was just being arrogant I did not get the impression that she was trying to discredit you wis. you are reminding me of how you were in polygamy where you would on a peripheral point in order to stay sticky with your scumreads. you only had 2 in that game and something else I am noticing is that when you are scum you tend to pick on girls.

eta: xposts

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wis why are you breaking up all of strange's posts and not just putting them in 1? see this is why I want to talk to majiffy cos to me it looks like scum burying posts. he will know what I am talking about

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Townread on mollie. I don't really see 181 coming from scum.

I dont see anything interesting about 181...at all.

Mollie, summarize your opinion of me for me.

Sc, were you saying your read on me is based on Wis flipping scum?

Majiffy, are you scum this game bro?

well I think you are pretty easy to get along with most of the time although you drove me nuts in gears. also I told you guys majiffy was scum in that game. also I am still a bit pissy cos you like gave me no credit for figuring out everyone's alignment on d1 in poetic justice.

but I suppose you want to know what I think of you in

this

game.

well majiffy has you down as confscum so that probably means you for sure are town. I have never played against you as scum but I would like to think that I could spot you anyways. I think you are barking up the wrong tree with amrun. did you look at the game I linked where wisdom was scum?

also is there anyone here who can read ns cos I can't read him worth shit.

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also wis ran away after I pointed out how he likes to pick on girls when he is scum so I am thinking it is likely true

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also wis ran away after I pointed out how he likes to pick on girls when he is scum so I am thinking it is likely true

If I answered to posts after that, it probably means I didn't run away, I just chose not to answer to such silly things.

mollie, Mara already made me lose a game because she was paranoid that I'd fool her again. Don't do the same please, thanks.

it is called facing the meta music and I get the feeling you would take this exact same angle if you were scum.

the thing is, is that I should be getting a loud signal if you are town cos I usually do and I am not.

also wis ran away after I pointed out how he likes to pick on girls when he is scum so I am thinking it is likely true

If he stopped posting across the site as a whole when you said that, then that's not likely to be a tell. It's much too soon to accuse people of avoiding the thread at this stage anyway—it hasn't been 24 hours yet.

this is the second time you have ticked my scumdar coug. I am pushing wis so I can get a read off of him all your doing wking him which is interfering with that process.

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when you start sending out a clear town signal it will fix itself

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@ everyone

what do you think of your partner

I was in gchat with majiffy for five minutes before I town read him. although it was probably a little ridiculous to partner majiffy and I together

[pirate mollie]

wking means whiteknighting

do I need to explain it further?

and mollie speak will grow on you I promise

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nono

nononono

poetic justice was about mollie and fery and mollie winning. I had been waiting literally years for that.

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Eh, Mollie, you have wisdom town meta?

Because this shit about wisdom and amrun was the same as wisdom and vig the last game. Misrep abit with attacking, then backing down at the last part seems the same.

yep.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=24809

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=26830

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=28626

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I don't want to read through all those. Mind giving me a tl;dr of wisdom town? And does he do the attacking then backing shenanigan everytime he starts a game?

I am not sure if I can explain it tbh. it is just when he is town I get this really clear feeling that he is town and I tend to work with him. I am just not feeling it in this game.

I am not going to be able to produce a solid case on wis, I freaking can never do that. I am a gut player and most of what I have down as scumtells are interpreted differently on this site. he isn't dropping any of the classic scumtells that I usually go by though, it is more of a difference in how he feels.

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I am leaning unsure/town. she isn't jumpy, she is responsive not reactive but responsive in a way that seems natural and genuine. she isn't misstepping at all and is putting herself in convos where she easily could do so. I am not getting her town read on dance guy or me, that is mebbe the only thing that is keeping her out of my town pile.

what do you think of ap cos my townreads are scumreading him and I am not seeing it. he is going for weird angles which reminds me of his posh game and he was town then. I remember it was the weird angles that made me town read him in that game and we clung to each other as if we were drowning (lol, which we were), we just couldn't sync up our reads.

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I don't see her blending in at all. she isn't taking easily defensible stances I don't think. what do you mean?

also you don't have to read the games I linked you, you could just iso wis in those games

eta: that was to eno

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My obvtown read on SD was a joke since he hasn't posted content.

Sorry I thought you guys would get that.

@enomis
I already said that I found it strange that Wisdom attacked Amrun with so much venom. If it wasn't serious it would lie more with the meta I had on him. But apparently his meta is different.

I don't like how you're making generalizations about me asking useless questions and posting useless comments. The only "useless" one I can think of is my joke read on SD.

I didn't read it as a joke

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hi groovey kid hi

you have been in this game 5 minutes and you are already getting on my nerves.

I already answered as to why I was waiting for majiffy so I won't be repeating myself.

majiffy and I have played like 30? 40? games together or something and we also have a hydra. when you have that much experience with a player you can usually read them pretty well. he did something in gchat that made me really think that majiffy is town and if anyone goes near him I will crush them.

majiffy and I won't be using a qt, if we talk outside the game thread it will be via gchat and texting but that will be very little. we both prefer in thread interaction.

1 of the ways to maximise your communication with your partner is to engage in convo and get a feel for them. do they seem comfortable? nervous? and discuss the game and mebbe get their take on it.

"burying posts" is a highly effective scum tactic cos it spams up the thread with a bunch of posts that wears down even the most dedicated of readers. uber goober and vifam did this in posh and it worked like a charm. whenever town started to coalesce a bit they both would come in and make like 20 posts each in effect, "burying" relevant content and interrupting the flow of conversation. majiffy doesn't see this as a scum tell but I do cos the frequency, content and pacing is different when it comes from town than when it comes from scum. what wis was doing was breaking up coug's posts into single responses when he could have just made one long one addressing the points in his single post. this will become important later on after a couple of flips in order to discern a trail.

now. your questions come across as being a bit useless cos they are persistent and incessant (not to mention repetitive) and seem less like you are trying to determine anyone's alignment from them and more like you just want to look busy which I see as more scum motivated.

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No, that's not the only reasons for Wisfom town.

He attacked a player with an earlier join date etc. with unknown skill (to him) very aggressively in a way that I think is indicative of town

. He was also quick to admit he was wrong even when I was still under fire from other parties. I don't particularly care if you agree with my town read, though.

"La la land mudslinging" is my slang for throwing nonsensical shit at someone and hoping it sticks. In this case, I was referring to you, though I also think it's true of AP (and moreso).

I think that is a terrible reason to put someone in your town pile fwiw. in my very first scum game on here I subbed in and immediately took on voided and thad. my scummate was at L1 and I tore the wagon apart but attracted voided's suspicions. anyways kuribo subbed in the next day round and I freaked a bit and got uncomfortable cos he was going through his divorce and I felt guilty scumrolling him and it showed and I was lynched.

anyhoo, moral of the story, a skilled experience player is not afraid to take on the heavy hitters in a game and I am telling you that wis skilled and experienced. mebbe not as experienced as you, or some of the other players in this game but he is definitely no dummy.

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Dunno about you, but I prefer reading 5-6 one line posts than reading quote walls.

not when I am having to backtrack later in the game to find an overview of relevant points after receiving new info

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I don't see the difference; all my posts addressing his points were one after another; would it be different if they were in a single post?

yes. for me it does. there was flow to coug's thoughts that if I look back and try to find your exchanges it fragments the conversation. I also think breaking it up in the way that you did was completely unnecessary hence why you are in my unsure/leaning scum pile. why are you asking me these dumb questions instead of getting your hands dirty? you did a bit with amrun but I don't see you doing anything else. what are your reads right now you usually have list by p10.

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I am avoiding you because you are evidently too magnificent a foe for the likes of me. I think avoiding you will be the best tactic for me to win this game.

Yes, I've seen some posts by mollie that gave me scumvibes. Yours didn't really catch my eye in any way.

which posts

and explain why you think they are scummy

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I repeated myself only once, when asking about the use of the QT's. I'll use it to my best abilities, or just hope StrangerCoug can use it better and secure a warranted town-read on me.
They seem incessant because I'm making the most of my time online. I don't see the link between "uselessness" and "persistence".
Rest assured I'm trying to determine alignment with these questions. You have your ways and I have mine. Trying to get a feel of the people and the game mechanics, while at the same time establishing my presence here.

I don't like the general ambiance in this topic

. Very long toes and very little goodwill/patience.

newsflash: I don't care

I have very little patience with newbs (although it was oddly recommended that I apply for IC status) unless I am mentoring them which is why I stay out of rome unless asked by a mod and I have zero patience or goodwill for someone who tries to dictate my play. you do not get to control the tone of this convo cos it is a 2 way street and there are 2 different people in it and we all have our ways. mafia is not all fluffy bunnies and roses if you want a site that likes that kind of shit in their mafia games I can recommend one.

so far you are being awfully defensive, petulant and yes, useless and you misrepped amrun cos she was in no way being aggressive with you. if you honestly believe that that was aggressive then you will probably get eaten alive by majiffy and I. and wis too but he is being subdued WHICH IS ANOTHER REASON I AM SCUM READING HIM. in other words amrun is like mary fucking poppins so why are you trying to take with her (with me, I actually get) and making it out like she is not?

@ elyse

were in the large mainstream game or was it hard boiled? I feel like I have seen you before but I can't remember what game.

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and wis too but he is being subdued

wtf are you talking about

you got meek when someone pointed out that they you were being a dick

ftr, I didn't think you were but I have a different barometer. scum usually like to make themselves likeable its called tailoring your play I bet you have heard this before.

also I didn't get certain aspects of the set-up either but then I really read the set-up I prefer tl;dr versions. majiffy had to explain it to me

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I don't think that I was being a dick or that I was being any different than how I'm always

And if someone did, I don't care enough

huh

I don't ever think you are a dick you are 1 of my favourite players and you know that. what is interesting about your response here is that I distinctly remember you apologising in a game we were in post game cos people thought that you were a dick. I think it was that pgo game. I don't remember which game I just remember the apology cos I didn't think you were being a dick in that game either.

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It's the posts I brought up during my round of incessant questions. Basically it's mainly related to your earlier period in the game.

you mean those posts where your questions were already answered by the time you got to the end of the thread? you asked questions but you never stated why you found those posts scummy.

Note that there will again be many questions in this thread. Even though one of their aims is that you answer them, a secondary function is that they clarify my thought process and reflect my thoughts about you.

First it started with your fluff for the first six pages or so. I thought it was scummy because it showed no commitment when it comes to moving this game forward.

I want you to post which posts you find scummy and explain why. you don't just get to sit back and call all of my posts until p6 scummy unless you can think of a scum motivation for doing so. fluff posts are alignment neutral unless they persist throughout the game.

here is a game where every single one of posts were "fluffy" until d2:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=25693

in fact, I think I made only 1 post with content and that was to point out that we had a missing kill and that I blocked nacho. flawless town victory. I trolled the fuck out nacho while I was looking for his partner in fact, I think the post that I outed was the only non fluff post in the game other than my guille vote.

what is weird is that you read on me should have progressed as you got caught up with the game. and it hasn't. you are still scumreading me cos of early posts. do you know who are sticky with their reads in lieu of gathering and assimilating new information? scum that is who.

Your explanation of this fluff I also found scummy. You said you were waiting to interact with Majify in order to be able to proceed. You say you explained why (the quote above is what I found), but I don't find this explanation satisfactory, and here is why.

except me saying I want to interact with majiffy is not "fluff". there is motivation behind it as in I want to get a read on him asap.

First of all, you state that you need to chat with Majify in order to avoid tunneling him. This does not make sense for several reasons, and the lack of sense makes it scummy:
- Why would you tunnel him before interacting with him? You seem to equate "getting into the game before chatting with Majify" with "trolletracking Majify". This doesn't make sense. Why does MAjify have to be your starting point?

erm, your interpretation does not make sense. it is implicit that I want to get an early read so I don't spend the whole game paranoid over him like I sometimes do. he gave me that town signal right off the fucking bat and it was beautiful cos I am fairly certain he is town. and we work well together when we are both town even though we have a tendency to fight over our reads.

- Obviously, getting the read of Majify was just a matter of procedure. 5 minutes was all it took. Then why make such a big deal of it before? If it was just such a short procedure, I don't see why you couldn't get started with other things in the meanwhile until you had it done.

I am not the one who is making a big deal over it you and wis were. I also wanted him to explain the set-up to me cos I frankly didn't understand it. the obtainment of the read took a lot less time than I thought it would.

- Why would tunneling him be bad? Considering you read him like an open book, I guess this means that if you do tunnel him, that means he must be scum. Why do you fear trolleytracking MAjify if you later claim to read him easily? The fear seems unfounded given your special connection.

did you miss the part where I said, "again"? I am guessing you did. I am just going let you work that one out on your own, by your sarcasm I am guessing you can!

What I also found scummy (now a bit less because MAjify is untroubled by it) was how you seemed to give up your ownership on your own posts and thought processes in post 155 ("cos if I townread him I will probably orient my game around him unless goes after my townreads.") It sounds like we should adress any further questions to Majify instead of to you.

how the fuck did you get

that

interpretation out of what I said? why would you ask majiffy questions that you wnt me to answer? that doesn't even make sense.

And I'm not sure if it's scummy, but I don't like the attitude you are having here. Yes, I know you won't care, but that doesn't matter. It seems like all you have done so far is secure a townread from Majifyu to cruise through this topic unquestioned and act like big bad-asses, but I'll tell you right now I'm not in the least bit impressed. It could be scummy in the sence that you're maybe trying to paralyze my efforts and you take me for some easily impressionable newbie, but I will not be deterred from my cause of finding scum. If I meet you on the way I'll gladly take Majify with it.

lol. if I thought you were some easily impressionable newb don't you think that I would be coddling you like you want me to? I don't think you are stupid, just new, so I am not going to treat you like you are stupid. is that okay?

Your macho-prattling in [pos]359[/post] was the most laughable thing I've read since my arrival at Mafiascum. Congratulations.

you know what I find laughable? that you are scumreading me cos you think I didn't show commitment by p6 and we are now on p13 and you have yet to cough up a single read. I don't think I am the one with commitment issues here. <----- that is laughable.

Where have I been defensive, awfully so?

you have been defensive in this very post, lol

I did consider Amrun's response as agressive, but that doesn't mean I partuvlarly care about it. It's not a misrep but an honest interpretation. Note I also did not connect any indication of alignment to it. Misreps are made with the aim of painting someone off as scummy. i didn't do such a thing.

well I don't know what your intentions since you have not given a read on amrun I am just giving you my honest interpretation.

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Nope. Start townreading Mollie and myself, pronto.

This is mainly in your hands. You've established that you are many things, but I have seen no clear indications that either of you are town.

I seem to have given off the impression I'm a push-ove

r. Sorry for the misunderstanding, please cease any efforts that have this idea in mind.

^ this is ridiculously overdefensive

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Pirate mollie, you have used the same thing to call wisdom scum that I used to call him town. (One of the things, anyway.) You are saying he is less aggressive than usual which is scummy. I was saying the opposite (without the metric of what usual is for him) and you disagreed with the reasoning. Explain that, please.

Grim, I can be, have been, and will be aggressive when and if it suits my mood and/or the game. Are you always so sensitive to aggression? Do you have evidence of this?

you misunderstand me. I am not saying that I find wis sus cos of a lack of aggression I am saying that he went meek when he was being called a dick. he became more subdued after that exchange IMO.

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Grim, I can be, have been, and will be aggressive when and if it suits my mood and/or the game.

Lol, what is up with you people? No need to take yourself so seriously. I get it, you like to roll your muscles.
I didn't mean to tell any of you how to behave, I just gave my view of how I don't really like these "I don't care what you think about me" posts. They are not very engaging.
Maybe it will grow on me, who knows.

Are you always so sensitive to aggression?

Yes, I'm a delicate little flower.

Do you have evidence of this?

Not really. But maybe Elyse can weigh in on this, as she told me I need thicker skin. I recently had a (supposedly over-)sensitive reaction when she called my contributions fluff in another game. But that's is an ongoing game, so you won't be able to get any conclusion alignment-wise based on that, if that's what you're after.

The only game I've been in that's finished was a micro-game together with Wisdom. I don't recall any major bursts of aggression there, the issue was never brought up in any case.

Come to think of it: why is this relevant?

do not talk about ongoing games this is a board wide rule violation, plz don't ever do it again.

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Before the wall, maybe this appetizer first: it is not.

yes. it is. mebbe you don't understand what overly defensive is

Basically Majify is not trying to convince me either of you are town, he's simply TELLING me to believe him. If he truly believes this will work,

he must think I'm a push-over

. Hence the reaction you bolded.

he never said this nor did he imply that you were a "pushover". majiffy says that to everyone hence the avvie title "go with the flow". click on his sig (flowchart), he really does believe that shit. he could think you are the hercules of mafia and he would still say that.

I did, however, mark a hint of comedy in his edict. I like the occasional laugh just as much as any hyena. This is why I added a similarly silly request, of ceasing certain activities. There was a similar hint of comedy in that request, which mirrored Majify's, and which shows I was not being overly defensive.

you are seriously playing this little game inside your head that doesn't seem to have a lot to do with reality. majiffy was being serious. like he really does believe you should just accept what he says at face value. he isn't really joking.

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I realize I didn't. This was merely an introduction to the answers you were looking for. I'm glad to see you found them right after making this redundant remark.

wat

I fucking can't follow what the hell you are saying at all. like I am not even sure what kind of convoluted point you are trying to make here.

I found the posts scummy because they were fluff.
I find fluff scummy because of the reason in the snippet you just quoted of me: lack of commitment to get the game forward.
Doing what you ask me to do would basically boil down to me showing why your first posts were all fluff. An unnecessary exercise, considering how you agree with that.

dude. read what I am trying to tell you. not all fluff posts come from scum. <----------- are you following me here? what it comes down to is motivation of posts and body of work.

Sorry, I don't care much about meta-arguments. Definitely with a person with your gaming history: I'm sure you have a mafiagame where the scenario benefits your defense for many different occasions, obviously including this one.

read above

Oh, and to beat you to it: the reason I pointed to other games myself when Amrun was asking me for evidence that I don't react well to aggression is precisely because she asked me. I'm assuming she didn't want a psychiatric report. If people ask me to provide them with my meta I'll do so, but I'll never use it as an argument myself.

jesus christ you are not overly defensive at all.

you aren't at all addressing an argument that I haven't even made and is no where near the original point that I was making.

Yes, that's all fine and dandy, but I don't really have a scumread on you. You're null. I never claimed otherwise.
I probably gave you this impression because I just listed all your scummy posts and told you why I thought they were scummy. Why I did that? Oh, because you asked me to.

wat. the. fuck.

you are the one who originally posited that I was the only player whom your were getting scummy vibes from. I asked you to put up or stfu. all that you have given me is that you cannot seem to differentiate between playstyle and actual scumtells. <---alignment neutral IMO cos I see scum and town both make really dumb arguments with really bad reasoning.

There have been positive vibes coming from your slot as well. Sometimes I posted something, and when I continued rereading I saw you sometimes make the same remark or thought process as I would. MAybe you considered this mere repetition from my part, but from my PoV this made me feel better about you in the later stage of the game. Apart from the bad ass image you are trying to portray, that is.

lol, I am not the one running around and going "ack! ack! ack! I am not a pushoveeeeer! " so I hardly think that I am the one who is trying to be a badass here.

do you have any idea how condescending your posts come across? they are pretty insulting and slathered in sarcasm which I am reading as you being overly defensive and I am wondering why. I can't tell if you are some insecure newbtown and who is trying to prove how incredibly secure he is or if you are newbscum who is hedging on reads and trying to argue nonexistant points in order to look busy and and engaged. I find it hard to believe that by now you do not have 1 single read.

I want a list of your reads.

[pirate mollie]

@ groovey kid

I am not going to do round of wall wars with you cos tbh I find them boring and tedious. I will do a round or 2 but anything beyond and my brains just shuts down. so I am not going to respond to you point by point, I am just going to go over the highlights.

- I am guessing that eno's response (who was more succinct and more articulate in his explanation than I ever could) as to why someone might want to talk to their partner cos you seem satisfied with the answer. the only thing I would add is that discussing reads with your partner is a good way to bounce off ideas cos one person might see something the other miss. it is 1 of the reasons why I like hydras (I am in 6), cos I have another person to talk to and it helps me to stay grounded. left to my own devices I am likely to be consumed by paranoia, get confused, jump at shadows and make terribad decisions. I am well aware of my strengths and weaknesses in mafia so I try to hydra with people who can balance that out. what I am wondering is why coug has not explained the benefits of having another person to bounce things off of in your qt and why you did not just ask him there instead of bringing it to the thread.

- why I am town reading majiffy: in gchat (and you may or may not understand this) he said, "don't mention ongoing games" cos he thought that I was referring to a game that was in the late stages where we pretty much went 1v1 for 3 game days. I wasn't. I was referring to if I do not get sort him out early I will remain paranoid for the entire game. <----- he came to this conclusion, all on his own through no help from me. the reason why I read tht as pure town was cos his chastisement came from a place where he was genuinely trying to get a read on me and didn't want an outside influence that he could not use. he was genuinely trying to read me where as scum he would already know my alignment. does this make sense?

- re: "fluff posting". the reason why I wanted you to look at that link I posted not cos I wanted to say "look see! I fluff post as town too!" but instead to demonstrate that not all "fluff posts" are actual fluff posts. in the that game I was accused of doing nothing but "fluff posting" and being useless when every single thing I did had a purpose behind it, it just would not be obvious to some people. I pegged nacho as scum early but knew I would not be able to get him lynched cos people were putting him as town for retarded reasons so instead I sheeped all of his votes and whenever someone would question me as to the reasoning behind my votes I would "baaaaahaaa" or pictures of sheep. I was the town role blocker and I was trying to fish out nacho's partner and them lynched, which I did, put his partner at L1 and he was hammered, blocked nacho (who tried to kill me cos he knew I knew he was scum) outed my role, lynched nacho, game won.

I have been playing mafia for a long time just on different sites. I have a different playstyle than most and a very large scumhunting toolbox. sometimes I will flirt, joke, get confrontational, talk about the weather or whatever in order to get players to drop their guard and give up a tell. the whole point is to disarm the player in order to get a read. I base my reads on how people react and try to determine if it comes from a town or scum mindset. I once got uber goober to let down his guard and tell me why scum was keeping me alive in posh. <----- still couldn't get him lynched even though he stated it right there in the thread.

I am simply not everyone's cup of tea and I am pretty sure you will never understand "mollie logic". I don't think like most people and a lot of people scumread me for this but what I have noticed is that it is usually scum who are sticky with their read cos when I am town I freaking scream town.

is there anything else you would like to know

[pirate mollie]

hi coug

let's dance.

I repeated myself only once, when asking about the use of the QT's. I'll use it to my best abilities, or just hope StrangerCoug can use it better and secure a warranted town-read on me.
They seem incessant because I'm making the most of my time online. I don't see the link between "uselessness" and "persistence".
Rest assured I'm trying to determine alignment with these questions. You have your ways and I have mine. Trying to get a feel of the people and the game mechanics, while at the same time establishing my presence here.

I don't like the general ambiance in this topic

. Very long toes and very little goodwill/patience.

newsflash: I don't care

I have very little patience with newbs (although it was oddly recommended that I apply for IC status) unless I am mentoring them which is why I stay out of rome unless asked by a mod and I have zero patience or goodwill for someone who tries to dictate my play. you do not get to control the tone of this convo cos it is a 2 way street and there are 2 different people in it and we all have our ways. mafia is not all fluffy bunnies and roses if you want a site that likes that kind of shit in their mafia games I can recommend one.

I don't see Grimgroove's post as remotely newbish, even though yes, he is new. Where is he trying to control the conversation? Where is he trying to control how you are playing? This is quite a bit of an overreaction to a simple post.

I think him asking about why I would want to talk to talk to majiffy first before committing to reads is very newbish. my "overreaction" is more or less my aversion to tone trolling, which is what he was doing.

I want you to post which posts you find scummy and explain why. you don't just get to sit back and call all of my posts until p6 scummy unless you can think of a scum motivation for doing so. fluff posts are alignment neutral unless they persist throughout the game.

You don't get to post all fluff for six pages. In most games there is serious discussion by then, and I would expect posts to be made accordingly.

okay so what serious discussion do you think was going on that I should have been responding to? tbh when this game started I had just had a margarita and was feeling pretty light hearted. I interacted with ap and he didn't seem nervous nor uncomfortable so I was leaning town on him. I pushed him a bit in order to solidify the read and I think his "why is mollie freaking out on me" post seems genuine. his reads and the logic for them are terribad IMO but terribad reads do not make him scum. he is unsure/ leaning town at the mo but I am expecting him to do some stuff before I call him town.

what is weird is that you read on me should have progressed as you got caught up with the game. and it hasn't. you are still scumreading me cos of early posts.

Though he should take later posts into consideration, as well, that does not make the early game irrelevant.

FoS: pirate mollie

I never said it was irrelevant. where did you get that? I said I found it weird that groovey kid's read on me had not progressed. scum don't take in new info and assimilate it and work from there. they instead find flawed reasons for remaining sticky with their reads.

[pirate mollie]

jesus fucking christ

majiffy, I love you but that was a completely fucking idiotic thing to do. I get that you didn't want to go along with the plan cos you want to play the game your way but that was shitty to put us for a lynch without discussing it with me first. we are supposed to be a team and we are supposed to work together totally did not do that.

@ amrun

majiffy did not agree with the plan and said so. so there is no "we had a consensus agreement on it" cos we didn't. there were a few who agreed to it but not everybody had weighed in on it. and majiffy is town. I would put money on it. I am telling you that he freaking

chastised

me in gchat cos he thought I referenced an ongoing game <-----that reaction can only come from a town mindset. just cos he did not go along with the plan does not make him scum and if you have played close to a 100 games than you should know that by now. also since when did I become a scum read of yours cos this is the first time I have heard about it. why aren't you asking me questions or interacting with me?

@ coug

so you think I am scum but are voting majiffy? lol. your vote looks opportunistic as fuck and this is like the third time you have ticked my scumdar. I shot down your 410 case and you even conceded some points. I think you are scummier than grim and you are most likely going to be where vote lands.

@ groovy kid

plz don't take me not responding to every single point in your post personally. will it help you to know that I am add? I have the attention span of a housefly it is one of the reasons why don't even bother reading set up designs cos I lack the ability to maintain focus. I prefer it when people ust give me tl;dr versions of it.

you asked if I have a large toolbox as scum and the answer is yes. I am sure someone is going to meta stalk me at some point but it came up in the last game that I was scum in; I have had 44 non town roles. not all of them were scum but the overwhelming majority of them were. when this next batch of games have completed I will have played somewhere around 150 games. the vast majority of them have been on the 7 other sites I used to play on. so yes I have a tool set for playing scum.

however

the format was different as was the duration of the day rounds (day rounds last from 12 to 24 hours) and so far the transition has not been very successful lol. it is much easier to maintain a town appearance for only 12 or 24 hours than to try to maintain it for 3 weeks. so far it has been lynch lynch lynch but I think I did pretty good in the last game I was scum in. wis was in that game.

re: sticky reads vs. trolleytracking - the difference is that being sticky with reads requires you to stick to the original reasons as to why you thought someone was scum and ignore new info while trolleytracking is taking in new info but interpreting it in scummy ways.

I am feeling a million times better about wis cos I had the same reaction to coug as he did. venny's response was meh and I don't know what to think about ap. I am not entirely sure about amrun's but I think I am still leaning town on her but it is a shakier read cos this whole mollie is scum has come out of nowhere and she isn't doing anything with it. elyse looked natural but coug's completely sucked donkey balls.

[pirate mollie]

@pirate_mollie: I feel we're starting to understand each other, but you still did not answer my question that I want answered most. Now that I'm starting to townread you it seems less relevant, but I want this thing covered nonetheless. Truth can be found in the smallest of things.

If I have any sticky read to speak of, it is because you never addressed the original reason why I find the explanation of the initial fluff you posted in a satisfactory way.

Let me re-iterate:

You have stated you post fluff for several reasons:

1. You sometimes use it as a strategy. (you didn't make it clear if that's what you were doing here, nor what the results of that strategy were)
2. You were waiting for your read on Majiffy.

I have tried discussing point 2 with you plenty of times but never got a straight answer. You explained why it is important for you to get a read on Majiffy (which I understand), but you didn't say why this automatically means that you can't get into the game before he arrives.

I don't know how to put this in any clearer way, aside from the bus metaphor. Is my question clear though?

I was in the game and I even said what I was loosely doing but sorting majiffy was a priority.

I was in the game.

I told you I interacted with ap and he did not seem nervous or weird with his interactions with me. wis raised my hackles a bit. that is what I got out of my "fluff posting". all of this is in this thread.

I swear people don't read my fucking posts ever.

anyways I was hoping to talk to majiffy last night who will be mia until possibly tomorrow. BUT. he texted me and asked about the reactions and I told him that amrun voted him and then coug and his next response was "coug is scum" which is where I was at.

majiffy thinks amrun voted him out of spite and he said to tell you amrun to get your head out of your ass (his words not mine). he also said to think about the situ logically.

he also thinks that the dealio with grim is a playstyle issue.

xpost: ap wtf, that was directed to amrun not you

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: strangecoug

that is L1 I think.

[pirate mollie]

I didn't want the day to end yet.

I feel like we could get so much more out of it; why the rush?

That being said, I'm willing to hammer I'd just rather not do it yet.

I'd like Majiffy to answer the above questions first, and content from our lurkers.

the game is nightless :/

[pirate mollie]

The more you tell me to unvote the one who you initiated this challenge for the more my vote won't go anywhere. It's just hypocritical.

And mollie gets false townreads all the time, it can happen.

there are 3 players on here that I can pretty much guarantee that I can read. majiffy is 1 of them.

there were extenuating circumstances in the gonzo game for me voting the way that I did. it resulted in me probably never playing with buldey again and it makes me sad cos I feel like I lost a friend.

[pirate mollie]

no he is like confscum I don't understand why he isn't lynched already jesus christ

[pirate mollie]

elyse that doesn't even make sense. his posts are "terrible and scummy" but the only that bugs you about him is the qt thing? what about his terrible and scummy posts? his whole iso is crappy. vote him.

and where did everybody run off to I see people posting in other games but not this one. where is amrun she is the one who was all like "ack! ack! ack! don't end the day I am not throooooough!"

[pirate mollie]

no he is like confscum I don't understand why he isn't lynched already jesus christ

This isn't even close to being true. I'm not confident about this flip at all.

That being said, the town has devolved into silliness and petty arguments. The usefulness of this day is at its close.

VOTE: StrangerCoug

[pirate mollie]

mollie have you played with Coug before?

no I haven't.

[pirate mollie]

It doesn't, because mollie can't read. She thought that you meant that it bugs you as in you find it scummy.

that is how it reads to me

[pirate mollie]

I am not annoyed with him I think he is scum

and I don't have to play with a person to find them scummy.

[pirate mollie]

Fuck you, honestly. I don't know why v/la is such a fucking difficult concept for people to grasp. Maybe if I was irresponsible and just didn't post for over a week people would fucking understand.

Trying to paint my infrequent phone posting as scummy when it's public knowledge I'm not around for this time frame is scummy as fuck.

dude you are active elsewhere on the site

@ elyse

okay I see what meant now

[pirate mollie]

Not to mention that like Grim, she was unfazed by Majiffy discarding his Grim scumread.
It shocks me that anyone at all is unfazed by that considering Majiffy even ignored the town plan so he can challenge Grim, yet then forgot about him, but those that scumread/wanted to lynch Majiffy and then completely ignored that and wanted to lynch Coug instead are the worst.

that is a bit of a poor representation of what majiffy did. majiffy said from the get go that he was going to "shoot from the hip" and play the game. and I was in contact with him via text and if you listen to how he explains it, it makes sense.

[pirate mollie]

wait how are you moving wis to scum you read him as town

[pirate mollie]

jesus fucking christ

ftr I think ap is town he was a primadonna meltdown queen in posh and I am telling you I am seeing the same thing here. I hace spent the past hour skimming social justice and the harry potter game in those he was a million times more controlled and put a helluva lot more effort into his posts. if that was a hammer venny then it was a shitty one cos we have not even heard from everyone. I think that the most important skill a player can learn as town is how to tell the difference between town flail and scum flail and ap looks like he is town flailing to me.

venny I really don't like that hammer I mean this game isn't just about you. I have had you as a strong town read up until this point but that hammer was so full of no. as scum ap is more controlled and calculating and defo does something that I call scum steering when scum. <---- where are you seeing that here? ap has not been in control all game.

I am liking groovey kid for town. I think he is making a mistake in thinking that wis is town for the reasons he has given. I already provided a meta link to a game where wis pushed mara into a mental breakdown and me as scum for retarded reasons. he pushed and pushed and pushed. I think I am seeing the same thing here I dunno I want to hear from eno about this (again) cos he was in that game.

I still think majiffy is town but I don't like how he texts me to "post more content" when he has not even been around all day. I told him last night I was a bit mafia-ed out and I don't like being told how I should prioritize my games but I am not ready to eat the paranoia flakes on him yet.

ns, eno and that safety thing need to get into the game. I like amrun's post about why she has elyse as town cos that is how I town hunt too. town move in herds. <---- I swear to god I say this in every game mebbe someday someone will listen to me.

I don't know what to do with ns. in new scum in town I trolleytracked on him to the point of complete stupidity, even sheeped my strongest town read onto him. he is hard to read and I don't understand other people's measurement for reading him like what is it that you are seeing. elyse looks good to me I want to get to know her better.

so elyse girlfriend get your dancing shoes on cos we are gonna dance.



who am I missing

eta: lol, a bunch of xposts gonna read them in a minute

eta2: IF ONE MORE PERSON NINJAS ME THEY ARE DRAWING BACK A BLOODY NUB

[pirate mollie]

also wis ran away after I pointed out how he likes to pick on girls when he is scum so I am thinking it is likely true

If I answered to posts after that, it probably means I didn't run away, I just chose not to answer to such silly things.

mollie, Mara already made me lose a game because she was paranoid that I'd fool her again. Don't do the same please, thanks.

okay then well why is it I can usually get a town read on you early and in polygamy I didn't but instead listened to nacho and in this game I am not getting it either?

I am not mara we have totally different approaches to the game it one of the balancing factors in our hydra so don't even

where did venny go

eta: there he is.

[pirate mollie]

AP's reactions look to me like he realized the hammer was fake (there's no way someone doesn't know how many votes they have, especially when they have self-voted), and used that to plant town looking reactions. The post about lynching Elyse next was exactly that.

okay but he didn't unvote. I was in a game with fery once where she self-voted and unvoted immediately when she was put at L1 and was all like "let's not be hasty" I mean lol. it is a game on another site but that is what I would expect scum to do if they knew that they were at L1. I thought the hammer was real probably cos I am just not fucking used to having to keep track of lynch decisions being doen that way sometimes I do but not always.

[pirate mollie]

okay then well why is it I can usually get a town read on you early and in polygamy I didn't but instead listened to nacho and in this game I am not getting it either?

I don't know how you get your townreads, therefore I can't help you with that.

I have fucking preached about this in nearly every game. town move in herds. <---- if more people understood this concept then I think that ms town overall would win more games. I don't give a shit what people say about tr town but there are honestly some things we are really good at.

[pirate mollie]

Okay, I disagree, but your described summary of ap town does not even remotely fit AP's behavior post hammer. Like not even close.

ap wasn't lynched in posh so wtf. to me it looked like he gave up

why are you trying to paint this anything else?

[pirate mollie]

Mollie, please address my previous post.

fuck this shit if it is the post I just responded to I am responding in the order that I read them

VOTE: amrun

hell no you are trying to manipulate the situ where there are a bunch of people posting and trying to make it look like I am deliberately ignoring you

[pirate mollie]

fucking 3 minutes in between posts when I am having to hit submit and then resubmit and if I respond with an eta it slows me down even more

NO

eta: having to hit the resubmit button TWICE fuck no are you trying to say I am ignoring you fuck no

[pirate mollie]

Also the self-vote didn't happen because he gave up. The self-vote happened because he wanted to "test" if Grimgroove would hammer him or not.

pedit: you cannot vote Amrun

I didn't say the self-vote happened cos he gave up. you were addressing his posts after "fake hammer" posts and said that he did not go ballistic which is what you thought he would do and I said to me it looked like he just gave up. fucking stop twisting what I am saying and you wonder why I am scumreading you

[pirate mollie]

Okay, I disagree, but your described summary of ap town does not even remotely fit AP's behavior post hammer. Like not even close.

ap wasn't lynched in posh so wtf. to me it looked like he gave up

why are you trying to paint this anything else?

I'm not. I'm saying that its not behavior I'd expect of AP town. I don't think "ap town giving up" would look like this. I think this is "ap scum playing it safe."

The self vote happened way before that and isn't related.

P-edit: lol that's retarded. I was just making sure you didn't miss it in the flurry of posts. I'm not eligible for voting anyway. Loooool

I NEVER SAID THEY WERE RELATED GODDAMMIT

[pirate mollie]

fuck you all I am taking a break

[pirate mollie]

I am not going to do any more meta research tonight. I already did a scum meta check it will have to wait until tomorrow

eta: if he was scum I would think he would unvote. scum come from a survivalist mindset and his lack of unvote and his subsequent giving up look like town to me. I know that when I am town I will just take the lynch if I am vt.

all town are vt in this game.

it is a nightless game which I have played a couple of and the best thing to do if you are scum is to shut down and drop out of existence so that you do not implicate your team. <-----fucking scum 101 here.

he didn't do that

. and I am wondering about the peeps who are pushing him.

[pirate mollie]

okay I am all caught up.

@ eno

what do you mean you had trouble obtaining reads in polygamy you were scum in that game you knew scum was

@ amrun

you said that ns puts more effort as scum and now you are changing your story is lulz. you also keep changing the direction of your according to popular opinion is anybody else seeing this.

I need to talk to majiffy, we haven't talked about this game since the other night I think.

I have venny, majiffy, ap and groovey kid as town. wis has said some stuff that I have thought like we are on the same page wrt amrun so I am back to unsure with him.

re: safety dance. I think he is lynchbait material but he has done fuckall this entire game. having said that I think amrun needs to go first. hwen she was laying into me the other night it felt scummy.

[pirate mollie]

It seems, throughout this game, there has been an awful lot of idiotic and acid-trippy arguments thrown your way, Amrun. Do you think it might be a conspiracy?

For the record, what are your reads? Could you do something similar as enomis, or point us to where you did that in case you already did?

There have really only been like 3 really stupid things said towards me. But your leading question is noted, thanks.

My reads are quite obvious, and I've commented on everyone several times.

But yes, I will gather them all into one post before everything is said and done.


@wisdom: I think I see what the confusion is, then. I never said "always" or "never." When I said anything at all, I said "usually." In absence of usually, I assumed that would be understood because its common sense. I don't see the point of using wishy washy language when we all know there are no absolutes.

how exactly are those leading questions

[pirate mollie]

Oh my god this game is becoming POSH MAFIA except I give less shits than I did in Posh Mafia.

1. Please do not hammer anyone before I can read up this weekend.
2. Majiffy go text/call/carrier-pidgeon/yell-at/prod-in-your-QT/ Mollie for us. Thx.

I am right here you dummy. is there something you want to ask me/respond too?

ask now cos I am going to the dmv in a bit

a bunch of xposts will respond in a minute

[pirate mollie]

I realize its a bit late, but what did you think NS was going to flip, Mollie?
Who are your top 2 townreads?

did not know how he was going to flip. I think he was bussed cos ns stfu and didn't post for the rest of the day.

I already gave a list of my town reads. you, majiffy venny and groovey kid possible town read on wis

[pirate mollie]

Hey guess what also doesn't make sense? Buddying enomis. WHY would I do that, as scum? Lol

Because you want him to vote Safety over you.
Safety might or might not be your partner; if he is you gain credit for lynching scum and you make him trust you more. If he isn't, you'll have to deal with it but at least you will have lynched town.

I guess I see that. I still wouldn't buddy enomis here as scum, because it seems like a really dumb thing to do. Enomis is likely to turn on me no matter what, and enomis was my best chance to not be lynched today. Actively attempting to derail the wagon in the next best candidate is really not conducive to staying alive.

And as scum, I'd have reasons why enomis is town coming out of my ears because I know he's town in that situation. Your position there simply makes no sense at all.

@mollie: you seriously mean to say that you don't think "Do you think it's a conspiracy?" is not a leading question? Lol

P-edit: maybe because I'm not terribly interested in being town read HMMM? I'm not home, and I'm not on my computer, and I'm not doing it on my phone.

I read it as sarcasm

[pirate mollie]

mollie, how sure are you about Venmar?

I don't think that he would try that as scum cos it would draw too much attention

[pirate mollie]

Mollie, you think Venmar and Majiffy are likely town?

yes

Thoughts on Wisdom?

leaning town cos his thoughts matched my own.

I waffle with him

[pirate mollie]

mollie, how sure are you about Venmar?

I don't think that he would try that as scum cos it would draw too much attention

Try what as scum?

faking a hammer

that thing he did where you knew what he was doing and everybody else did not

[pirate mollie]

Yes, I agree that's probably done with townish intentions. But why do you think that would draw attention to him as scum?

pedit: I did

it would draw attention period and that is something that scum do not like to do

did it draw your attention

xpost

[pirate mollie]

leaning town cos his thoughts matched my own.

Yesss, Mollie keep being my muse. I'm slowly realizing that Im all but confirmed town in a mountainous setup and we can just townblock this to victory.

I need you to not waver on that Majiffy townread for me cause Im a bit paranoid about Majiffy issuing the first challenge and then voteparking SC after the initial GG vote. : P
And he was literally the only person defending me post-apocalypse yesterday and that gives me mixed emotions about him.

Wisdom actually is probably my strongest townread. For gut and really his stream of thoughts style of posting has read incredibly genuine all game. Im gonna sit on that one and let it simmer.

I agree that Venmar fake hammering is proactive in a town way.

--

Im just gonna take this in steps and work my way down the player list starting with majiffy I think.

ftr you are not confirmed town. no one is in a nightless set up cos there no specials to confirm anyone.

I am freaking out a bit cos majiffy texted me to

get more active in the game

but is vote parking on sd. and he has not been as active as I like or as communicative as I like wrt this game. this game started when another game was wrapping up where I trolleytracked on him and was wrong.

if you are asking me not to get shaky on my read on him I can't promise that and why are you even asking this of me.

[pirate mollie]

Yes, I agree that's probably done with townish intentions. But why do you think that would draw attention to him as scum?

pedit: I did

it would draw attention period and that is something that scum do not like to do

did it draw your attention

xpost

I don't get it. How would it draw attention on himself? It's a pro-town move, it wouldn't somehow bring suspicion on him.

idgi

it would draw attention. scum don't like to do that

and he would have to backpedal on all of the reads he had gleaned from that in a way that made sense. that is not easy to do.

do you have a scum read on venny yes or no

[pirate mollie]

And if you add the fact she's already buddying Majiffy into the blend.. it becomes apparent that she cannot afford getting another strong townread like that.
I think that's why she refuses to strongly townread me like she would normally do, as well as why she's starting to "freak out" about Majiffy.

okay I stopped right here cos this is bullshit you fucking know me wis,

you know for a fact that I get my reads through IRL time interaction. and you fucking wonder why I am scum reading you.

#1546 - I don't make long bigwinded fucking cases it is not my style never has been in the 4 years that I have I have been playing. scum on this site usually think I am easy pickings for it so tend to go for me. <---- hence why the mollie meme is only retards and scum try to lynch me cos when I am scum it is really fucking obvious to people who know my meta. I use different scumhunting tools than what other people use on this site like someday I hope to find a collection of players who understand timing and roll town and knock the ball out of the park. my reasons are not weak or opaque; you simply don't/aren't trying to understand them. that isn't what makes you seem scummy it is that the questions you ask are not alignment discerning and you only seem to want to push me when you think you have support on it.

#1558 -

I fucking subbed into an sd townslot and had to fight the lynch off.

I also played with him in state farm briefly where he was town and people were all gung ho for his lurking and inadequate play.

that is why he is lynchbait

there is a good amount of misrep in this post wis. majiffy is NOT talking to me as much as I would like about this game. and I can't even you are throwing this shit at me after the gonzo game where I once again voted incorrectly in lylo.

I still think majiffy is town. it freaks me out when he vote parks and then disappears cos this is what he did in the only game where he managed to sneak past me as scum. there are 6 players on this site I expect a lot from in order to townread them and he is one of them cos I have shared enough meta knowledge with them that they could get past my meta reads. majiffy is at the top of the list.

still catching up but I do not like #1562

at all

wis

[pirate mollie]

And if you add the fact she's already buddying Majiffy into the blend.. it becomes apparent that she cannot afford getting another strong townread like that.
I think that's why she refuses to strongly townread me like she would normally do, as well as why she's starting to "freak out" about Majiffy.

I HAVE GIVEN STRONG TOWN READS

[pirate mollie]

as well as why she's starting to "freak out" about Majiffy.

She explicitly told me to buzz off when she thought I was casting suspicion on him :/

I FUCKING DID

NOT

"freak out" about majiffy stop misrepping me

ap you and amrun are stoking fires

[pirate mollie]

Every five seconds she goes "oh, I had a freak out moment about him but then it was okay," though.

put up or stfu

and that was not a freak out moment. when I freak out you will know it

[pirate mollie]

Wisdom, will you at least agree that scum has an incentive not to challenge another team that has scum on it? That's why it's a small point in Venmar's favor.

No. AP was a popular scumread at the time and Venmar-scum could know that even if he didn't get me lynched, AP would still get lynched.
I don't think that's likely due to his reaction test ofc, but that's another story.
The point is that Venmar does not gain any town points for that challenge, since he never contributed in a NS lynch.

are you freaking out about venny wis tell me tell me now

[pirate mollie]

a) I am not even in the lynch pool at this point, which shows how unconcerned mollie actually is about the game state.[/uote]

it was reactionary and contingent to what was going at the time and you very well fucking know it.

[uote]b) It shows a heightened sense of self-awareness and over defensiveness, because her portrayal of what is actually happening is not even close to reality.

erm no. that is a gross misrep to what was actually going on at the time.

c) Mollie never really corrects this and engages in the game state, just fencesits galore.

erm, wrong again. I engage in the game state but "fencesit galore"? lol

p-edit:

LOL

I didn't avoid the NS wagon. I actually started it, though eventually unvoted in order to vote for AP. Still, with a little less lazy and more unique thought, that could have been turned into something. But it wasn't -- that's the laziest, most opportunistic vote. He doesn't spend ANY time on his other scum "read," which doesn't make sense as scum with me in ANY universe, and he doesn't even have enough scumreads. If he was just like "I'm voting Amrun because I want to live!" then that would be one thing, but he has to fake a scumread badly. That's a wrap, folks.

The only thing that has any legitimacy at all is trying to take "credit," for the wagon, but that's not how I intended that post and it's not inconsistent with anything I ever posted.

I supported the wagon the whole way through, even though I openly thought he had a better chance of flipping town than scum

.

lol

you did the exact same thing that you accuse me of doing that I am not actually doing. you hedged on your read on ns, did not vote and are now trying to say that you are town because of it?

if anybody actually buys this shit I am going to eat their liver. cos this reasoning is shit

[pirate mollie]

No you haven't. You never explained in detail what makes Venmar town, your AP townread is too vague (even AP said he doesn't know what you're reading him as), and your Majiffy townread was strong for bullshit reasons at first, yet you're starting to "freak out" now. As for your read on me.. as I said you should have townread me ages ago but you don't, and it's weird.

yes I did. mebbe you missed it

venny put himself front and central and I have been sus of him but upon the flip it does not make sense for him to do what he did at the time when he was scum. <----- how the fuck are you missing this and trying to say that I never explained shit.

[pirate mollie]

And who else did you townread again? Grim? Please explain your townread on Grim.

why don't you read the game wis which is exactly why you are *scumreading me* when you suggest that I am not. I am.

you also said that I was less active in this game which is a lie cos I am pretty sure I an active poster!

[pirate mollie]

The more you tell me to unvote the one who you initiated this challenge for the more my vote won't go anywhere. It's just hypocritical.

And mollie gets false townreads all the time, it can happen.

there are 3 players on here that I can pretty much guarantee that I can read. majiffy is 1 of them.

there were extenuating circumstances in the gonzo game for me voting the way that I did. it resulted in me probably never playing with buldey again and it makes me sad cos I feel like I lost a friend.

I still think majiffy is town. it freaks me out when he vote parks and then disappears cos this is what he did in the only game where he managed to sneak past me as scum. there are 6 players on this site I expect a lot from in order to townread them and he is one of them cos I have shared enough meta knowledge with them that they could get past my meta reads. majiffy is at the top of the list.

Explain this discrepancy, please.

I do can not give a 100% clearance of majiffy without mod clearance. I have no role to do that I am going by what we have shared in the game he reads as town

but I want more from him.

let's talk about your major hedging of ns whom you said you could read. but I bet you don't wanna

[pirate mollie]

Every five seconds she goes "oh, I had a freak out moment about him but then it was okay," though.

put up or stfu

and that was not a freak out moment. when I freak out you will know it

I already QUOTED what I meant. But thanks try again later.

yeah and then I later read how you acknowledged it was not a "freak out" moment.

how about YOU try again right the fuck NOW

[pirate mollie]

"put himself front and central"
How the fuck did he do that? You have yet to explain that to me.

yes. I did

if you did not understand my answer at the time then why are you bringing this up now. we went a couple of rounds over this and now you are bringing it up opportunistically to...do what. set me up as lynchbait? or cover?

you did this shit in polygamy I am sooooooooo not going to fall for it again

I swear to fucking god the only people who read me as scum are retards and scum. when you are town you know the difference.

VOTE: wis

[pirate mollie]

No, you DON'T engage in the game state. I don't know how you could misread that because not only is it clear, but no one would say you engaged in the game state because you blatantly did not.

I didn't misread anything. and yes I engaged in the game state how sad you can't really quantify that

And no, I never actually hedged on my read of ns. I was very open with it; I said he was more likely town, but town dead weight. I voted on the wagon first, then unvoted, and offered to hammer though AP went first.

that is hedging your bets:

http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/hedge-your-bets.html

another one:

http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/hedge+bets

[pirate mollie]

What is your read on qwints?

I don't know it isn't like a player subbed into a slot that I can accurately read.

you are steering wis

eta: I am out for 20 to 30 minutes

[pirate mollie]

What is your read on qwints?

I don't know it isn't like a player subbed into a slot that I can accurately read.

you are steering wis

eta: I am out for 20 to 30 minutes

No, actually, asking for a read on a player is not "steering." You should have one by now. You seem to only be reading posts related to you.

and I asked you for one on ns in which you hedged and are now trying to say it is not applicable. try again

everything I say you try to paint as scummy. and you are trying to bring up what I said on d1 as scummy when really it isn't.

not to mention you ignore your own hedging as scummy. okay

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: amrunVOTE:

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: amrun

[pirate mollie]

the amount of fucking misrep in this game is seriously pissing me off.

show me in what way my activity has been low ap. put up or shut the fuck up you ass cos I am pretty sure I am one of the top posters and have definitely posted more than you.

amrun were you seriously trying to say last night that hedging your bets does not apply to mafia? you have misrepped the fuck out of me this entire game you have not said a truthful about me or my play at all. it is misrep after misrep and when I call you on it you fucking prevaricate. I said I was not comfortable as I want to be with majiffy cos we have not talked much and his activity is low. then you actually have the balls to aTe all over majiffy about how his head is not in the game and try to say that I scumread him which I fucking did not.

Mollie is town, her posts are of such a genuinity (guinineness?) that they cannot be faked. It is impossible to do.

yeah no. Go read some of her games before saying such crap.

yeah go read my games when I am scum plz do. pretty plz with sugar on top. cos you will see that this is in no way shape or form my scum game.

you are lying my meta wisdom and you are pretty stupid for doing it cos is right there in my wiki and all anyone has to do is do a meta check to know that you are lying. you are also using the same intimidation and douchey tactics that you used on mara in polygamy. you are scum.

[pirate mollie]

You'll have to accept my gut on that.

I don't care about your gut. mollie is probably scum for all the reasons I said. If you cannot give us reasons for mollie-town other than saying false things about her making "genuine" posts (when they are not even genuine and even if they were, it's not past mollie to fake them), you just make me more confident that you're her buddy.

and what reasons are those? you are

LYING

about my meta and that is all you have said. those are shitty reasons and you know it but you are scum so I guess it is supposed to be okay.

you should never lie about people's meta it just causes ill feelings and leaves a bad taste in people's mouths when the game is over

[pirate mollie]

Because I know for a fact mollie is able to fake anything, while I don't know that for enomis.
But I haven't seen anything from mollie that I would call genuine.

oh really

prove it

[pirate mollie]

Because of Amrun's post in your QT. She wanted to make you lynch Safety. Of course they could be buddies and she just wants to survive, but I find it more likely that they're not both scum, one being the counterwagon to the other and everything.

And I don't know, I keep changing my mind on who I should believe in this game. One second I think Amrun is obvscum, then I think she's saying the truth, then I get convinced otherwise again. I really don't know but I think that Amrun is the best lynch because we can gain information. And qwints is, unlike Safety, at least active and contributing, so even if he is scum we might get something out of his posts.

oh okay it is okay for you to change your mind but not grim and god forbid I say that I am not as comfortable with majiffy as I would like to be

you are so fucking scummy it is a joke at this point

[pirate mollie]

you are lying my meta wisdom and you are pretty stupid for doing it cos is right there in my wiki and all anyone has to do is do a meta check to know that you are lying. you are also using the same intimidation and douchey tactics that you used on mara in polygamy. you are scum.

Did you say that you usually don't care and don't give a shit and are lazy in your scumgames after the end of Popcorn? Yes or no? Have you given any shits about this game? No. Why the fuck are you lying about being active in this game? Majiffy, who you're saying that has low activity, has MORE posts than you. I ask you to explain to me how the fuck using a reaction test brings attention on the one who is doing it (because that's fucking ridiculous) and your answer is "it does, period". Is that not being lazy?

what the fuck. I have pushed my reads and I am working with town.

all anybody has to do to check for activity is to look it up.

I took a break from the game for a day and a half cos I was getting scumrolled. <----- majiffy knows this.

I also had a bad experience where I was mislynched as the town watcher/tracker in a marathon game.

other than that I am here, around and active.

keep trying wisdom

[pirate mollie]

Or when you were calling AP town because "he didn't unvote"? What the fuck did unvoting have to do with the reaction test or anything that we were discussing at that time?

i already explained that. and I am not going to play anymore of your bullshit games

you are doing the exact same thing that you did to mara in polygamy, using the exact same tactics.

on one hand you are saying that I can fake anything as scum and then on the other hand you misrep my play in this game by saying I am being lazy. <----- what have I done that is lazy I mean if it is so obvious why don't you point it out.

[pirate mollie]

definitely posted more than you.

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While complaining about blatant misreps, how ironic.

90% of your posts are spam posts that is not the same thing and you know it

[pirate mollie]

oh okay it is okay for you to change your mind but not grim and god forbid I say that I am not as comfortable with majiffy as I would like to be

you are so fucking scummy it is a joke at this point

Where the fuck did I say that it's not okay for Grim to change his mind?

where you were banging on about how he was scum

[pirate mollie]

Seriously Wisdom wtf. you aren't blatantly cooking up scum motivated bullshit, are you?

Are you sure you can read? I said he did not give reads on 3 people (myself, Venmar and enomis)

So? I'd be more suspicious if he had firm reads on the entire playerlist without having done anything in the thread. This is a seriously forced point you are pushing.

Also at mollie before you rage at me: I think you are most likely town, I regret my last post. Lets not start a pissing contest. Thx.

if you would stop eating paranoia flakes at night and listen to scum I would not

have

to rage at you.

goddamn it ap, you know perfectly well that scum always try to go after me they do it in every single game. it is always for playstyle and they think that I am a easy mislynch until I meltdown and then they wind nking me. jesus christ you saw what slaandy was doing in gears wisdom is doing the exact same thing!

xpost: ap I think groovy kid is town. he is one of my stronger reads

[pirate mollie]

pirate mollie's reply to Wisdom's ponderings:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTcu7MCtuTs

[pirate mollie]

Wait, mollie you don't think grim has been scummy?

no. I don't. he is one of my stronger town reads.

and no I did not click on all of your links (OH MY GAWD I JUST CLAIMED SCUM) if you want to give me a tl;dr version I will take that into consideration.

[pirate mollie]

Because I know for a fact mollie is able to fake anything, while I don't know that for enomis.
But I haven't seen anything from mollie that I would call genuine.

oh really

prove it

Oooooo I dislike this post. Only because in Posh Mafia Mollie was really proud of her scumplay offsite and talked about how she managed to AtE her way through waves of PRs and win a game once.

I lost my taste for playing scum a long time ago and I did not win that game by aTeing nor did I say that. I won that game by obtaining the mayor vote and by working with the SK who had daykills and nks.

[pirate mollie]

it has to do with how he reacted early on when I was applying pressure to him. I get my reads through interacting with players and he felt like town during those exchanges. I find it hard to believe that newbscum can get that close and personal with me and pull a townread out of me. the only way I could see it is if he was being coached.

[pirate mollie]

newbscum

Why do you keep calling him a newbie? He played an awesome scumgame in Everybody's being Watched; but besides that, how do you know he doesn't have offsite experience?

cos if he had offsite experience he would be using it to say "hey I am not a newb!" and he isn't.

I don't treat newbs the same way that many people do on this site. it seems like in a lot of games I play in the vets want to lynch the newb before going after stronger players and I hate that. newbs can often have really good instincts and insights that vets often miss. I just have no patience when they get retarded.

wis where is all of that awsum meta where I can fake anything as scum I am still waiting for that. also you have yet to explain how I am being lazy.

[pirate mollie]

wis where is all of that awsum meta where I can fake anything as scum I am still waiting for that. also you have yet to explain how I am being lazy.

I answered both of these, I'm still waiting for your explanations.

where

I may have lost it in the flurry of posts but I don't think so

and what explanations are you waiting for

[pirate mollie]

cos if he had offsite experience he would be using it to say "hey I am not a newb!" and he isn't.

And why do you rule out the possibility that he WANTS to be called newbtown because he's actually scum and that's why he doesn't say that?

i am guessing you mean this one.

you question doesn't even make sense

are you saying you think he has offsite experience yes or no

[pirate mollie]

cos if he had offsite experience he would be using it to say "hey I am not a newb!" and he isn't.

And why do you rule out the possibility that he WANTS to be called newbtown because he's actually scum and that's why he doesn't say that?

i am guessing you mean this one.

you question doesn't even make sense

are you saying you think he has offsite experience yes or no

No I do not mean this one, mollie.
I mean what AP unvoting or not unvoting had to do with what we were discussing (the reaction test) when you brought it up, and how the hell does Venmar performing a reaction test bring attention on himself. Two things that make absolutely no sense yet you have still not explained them to me.
As for this question, it makes perfect sense. Why are you calling him a newbie instead of assuming that he is scum trying to act like a newbie?

yes. I have explained the ap unvote. you don't even remember cos you don't care what the answer is.

1. I have seen scum self-vote in untimed games before. they almost always unvote when a a couple of votes are placed on them. on this site it seems to be more of a town tell (re: polygamy). I say "almost" cos I could see it being a possibility but I think it is unlikely.
2. when you perform a reaction test it puts you as the center of attention. <-----this is not a hard concept to grasp. he would accountable for his actions and the reads that he generated. he would have to have a very good plan to allow for the progressions of his reads for the rest of the game. <---- I already explained this.
3. cos being a newb is NOT alignment indicative? I am town reading him because he feels town to me. his responses and the progression of his thoughts are natural and his thoughts have definitely matched my own.

so where did I fake anything as scum. you have not proven it wis. I have asked for proof and you have said that you gave it but you didn't and all you are doing is trying to paint me as scummy and it is not going to work.

quit dodging and put up or stfu

that was me

[pirate mollie]

that is not true and you know it

I do read your posts obviously cos I am responding

and you are fucking dismissing my reasons

I already had a town read on ap

20 bucks says you try to say that I never answered you 15 pages later. AGAIN.

[pirate mollie]

20 bucks says you try to say that I never answered you 15 pages later. AGAIN.

Lets not break site rules even if this is clearly a joke.

jesus christ

[pirate mollie]

are these the questions you are banging on about lol. ftr I ignore dumb questions especially when I am starting to scumread someone.

WAIT A MINUTE

Did you seriously just suggest you DID NOT hedge your read on NS?

like

real talk

?

1. I didn't have a read on ns. you however did but you hedged on your read. <----- I thought you did not think that the term "hedge" applied to mafia I mean isn't that what you said? do you want me to quote it?
2. real talk iin real time. the vast majority of my games have been in a 24 hour day round so get my reads through interaction which has already been stated itt.

The more you tell me to unvote the one who you initiated this challenge for the more my vote won't go anywhere. It's just hypocritical.

And mollie gets false townreads all the time, it can happen.

there are 3 players on here that I can pretty much guarantee that I can read. majiffy is 1 of them.

there were extenuating circumstances in the gonzo game for me voting the way that I did. it resulted in me probably never playing with buldey again and it makes me sad cos I feel like I lost a friend.

I still think majiffy is town. it freaks me out when he vote parks and then disappears cos this is what he did in the only game where he managed to sneak past me as scum. there are 6 players on this site I expect a lot from in order to townread them and he is one of them cos I have shared enough meta knowledge with them that they could get past my meta reads. majiffy is at the top of the list.

Explain this discrepancy, please.

I do can not give a 100% clearance of majiffy without mod clearance. I have no role to do that I am going by what we have shared in the game he reads as town

but I want more from him.

let's talk about your major hedging of ns whom you said you could read. but I bet you don't wanna

Then why did you say you could guarantee your read of Majiffy?

And you're going to have to show where I hedged my read of NS first. I already showed where you did.

p-edit:

Why is the word freak out significant to you?

It isn't to me.

with neither of these questions were you trying to discern my alignment that is why I ignored them. I can usually guarantee my read on majiffy however a game had ended where I trolleytracked on him when we were both town. he has lately been a lot lazier as town than I am used to and it is probably best if we just hydra from now on. I town read but will probably get paranoid about 5 million times about him especially late at night after a glass or 2 of wine. and wanting to hear more from is something I want from him as town that you are trying to fucking paint this into a scumtell is hilarious. like you are serioualy reaching here.

and jesus christ asking me why "freak out" is significant to me when you were the first one to use it (or it was someone else) is fucking retarded and not worth my time.

Same question to mollie. What is your opinion on 2-scum teams?

What is your read on qwints?

I don't know it isn't like a player subbed into a slot that I can accurately read.

you are steering wis

eta: I am out for 20 to 30 minutes

No, actually, asking for a read on a player is not "steering." You should have one by now. You seem to only be reading posts related to you.

and I asked you for one on ns in which you hedged and are now trying to say it is not applicable. try again

everything I say you try to paint as scummy. and you are trying to bring up what I said on d1 as scummy when really it isn't.

not to mention you ignore your own hedging as scummy. okay

What are you talking about? How can you ask me for a read on a flipped player? That's ridiculous.

No, everything you say is not scummy, but there are scummy things you have said, which I have pointed out.

I have asked you SEVERAL questions that you have just BLATANTLY IGNORED. (To recap, the most important ones that you keep ignoring are:

who was bussing ns?

why did you guarantee you could read majiffy if you can't?)

Do you expect me to call myself scummy? Like ... what? You can interpret my actions how you want, and so can anyone else, but my flip will not go well for you because you will look terrible afterwards, and I think that's why you've been so hesitant to REALLY push me today and instead just choose to argue with me, just now voting for me.

at the time you asked me this I thought you were and then I looked back on the vc at the time of the lynch and realised you did not vote him.

the answer is simple I am not sure. I was not around at the time of his lynch and would have wanted to tease the day out longer to see if ns would have responded.

Just a recap of some of the questions she still has not even attempted to answer or address.

The main issues I have with mollie are this:

-Despite saying NOTHING about ns' alignment pre-flip (she says he is a "lurker" and "hard" to read), mollie insists that she did not fencesit on NS but refuses to explain why or how. Instead her response is to say, "No, I didn't, but you hedged your bets on him!" What I did is irrelevant to what she did, but she's trying to throw dirt on me to cover up for her own missteps and hoping no one will call her on it.
-Post flip, she said NS was bussed but has named no one who might have been bussing NS. I've asked her the same question about five times and she has not even acknowledged it, let alone answered it.
-Early in the game, she said she could "guarantee" her ability to read Majiffy as town. Later, she retracted this and said he has the ability to fool her. I asked her why she changed, and she just repeated that she can't guarantee it. Yes, I know -- but why did you say you can when you can't? I don't think saying either one of these things by itself is scummy, but saying them both at the same time and then blatantly ignoring all questions about the issue is scummy.
-The majority of her votes are plain lazy, and the ones that aren't are not even on people who can be lynched.

Please hold her accountable for these things. Make her answer those key questions. The MOST important one is about who bussed NS and why she keeps avoiding that question.

I don't have an answer for your question. I had NO read on ns. he was not in my crosshairs cos I had bigger fish to fry. <----- pretty sure I mentioned this how kind of you to

ignore that shit

.

- your arguments are weak and shitty and your pushing points that do not even make sense given the context of the game. you are ignoring relevant points and trying to push dumb ones and paint them as if they were actually legitimate.
- yes he has the ability to fool me in a game but I don't think so in gchat. <----- you are calling me out for my arrogance which is not a scumtell even if I qualify it or paranoid about a read later on. I tend to trust my early reads cos they are usually accurate but I can get talked out of them too cos oh hai I must scum in every game cos I take in what my town reads say. I am not infallible.
- so who can't be lynched game plz tell me who I am anxiously waiting and while you are at it tell me who can be lynched cos I am kind of unclear where you stand on that.

[pirate mollie]

massive quote fail haschel can you fix it for me plz I don't even know where I messed up

[pirate mollie]

I don't care what you think

mebbe you somehow miss that

[pirate mollie]

you certainly have a crappy way of showing it

[pirate mollie]

Lol k

Asking questions and what not

What a crappy way of trying to figure out if people are town!

you aks questions that serve no point

and I don't even know why I am talking to scum here except I am drunk and it might be entertaining

eta: I don't get a lot of assciative tells from ns

you know him better than I

you made it a point to say this when I asked this

[pirate mollie]

I don't do vc analysis

nor do I read set up design about 90% of time

but YOU do and I think your "oh there are 3 scum aren't there????" is scummy

take THAT

[pirate mollie]

I am catching up with my hydras

will post later laying out my thoughts. I need to do a reread of the start of the day

this was me

[pirate mollie]

sorry guys, all of my games are in the day round and 2 hydra heads were on vacation (they are back now). right now there is a bunch of staff drama on my homesite and I am getting accused on there of not being active enough lol. I am not sure how this is all going to go down (1 admin was recalled and 3 resigned, we elected 3 more and the powah is going to their headz and I mean for realz) or how long it is going to take but if it becomes a problem then I will replace out.

I have been talking to majiffy a little bit so it isn't like I have completely neglected this game. anyways I caught up with thread and no I don't have a whole to say about it cos interactions without me are boring. I AM reevaluating my reads since amrun flipped cos I am messing up somewhere. I also had agreed with majiffy that I would sheep his vote. he wants to lynch elyse, says qwints reads as genuine (and I agree with him) and that grimm needs to be sorted.

I still think wis looks scummy but I am not sure if I should even trust my own reads right now. I was wrongwrongwrong about amrun the only reason I was so mean to her was cos I thought she was scum. now I feel bad.

if majiffy is scum I will fucking

hurt

him.

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VOTE: elyse

eno if you thought that wis was scum (and I got that impression earlier) why have you done fuck all with anything wrt that read?

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okay something needs to happen.

everyone give a list of 3 players you would be okay to lynch.

wis
eno
elyse

elyse is very much the person I least want to lynch out of pool and tbh venny is starting to creep me out.

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Damn it why can't enomis be in this lynchpool.

He fits with Grim/qwints/enomis and Majiffy/Mollie/enomis.

Grim and qwints have seemed more town the last few posts. Majiffy's case on me is bad and so is his AtE. Mollie has disappeared, along with my townread on her.

Wisdom is obvtown and AP/Venmar are most likely town.

mollie has been very busy with other games plus I discovered skypechat and we have been doing that nearly every night. I have had a couple of games stagnate and tbh I am usually nked early. I did not know this game would be nightless I would have preferred to hydra up but apparently you can't do that but it is rare that I sign up for games anymore without hydra-ing up. this also is not the only game I have received a prod for.

eta: don't even wis look at the timestamps obviously I was typing out

before

I read elyse's post.

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do you actually have reasons for thinking I am scum venny? cos I haven't seen you post any. and you seem to be super duper okay if the stand of is anyone other than your team.

that was me

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elyse can you walk me through your reads again?

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and you seem to be super duper okay if the stand of is anyone other than your team.

What? I recall i'm the one who ended up trying to kill my partner Day 2? Why do you think I would want to have either of us lynched ever since I have put AP down as town?

PM scumread is largely gut, but some of her posts in particular give me scumvibes. Her most recent post about complaining how she isn't in a hydra pings my radar. She returns after she is accused, and her whole post is full of her just complaining and whining, which may or not be AtE.

tbh venny is starting to creep me out.

- This also made me think PM is scum, since PM's read on me is very flip-floppy, I ISO'd her and she seems to go back and forth on me quite a bit. Trying to decide if i'm reading her right since her ISO is quite all over the place, or if this is legit scummy shit.

Still, got a diff lynch pool... only person I think is scum in this lynch pool now is Grimm.... sooo.....yeah...

Vote: Grimmy

so you are scumreading cos of gut okay there is nothing I can say to that except I believe there were about 3 or 4 people in gears who were "gut reading" me as scum and a couple of them were town as was I. do you remember that venny?

I am waffling on my reads. <----- this is not a scumtell if anything scum are stickier with their reads cos they want specific players to be lynched.

speaking of:

@ groovey kid

taking a step back I starting noticing that your reads seem to change with whoever is around what is up with that

also elyse asked for my reads and here they are:

town:

majiffy - he is still talking to me about the game he is trying to get me to be more active. I think elyse's flip will pretty much clear him if she is scum.

qwints - his heavy analysis posts remind me of bureaucracy mafia I can dig that game up if anyone wants me too.

groovey kid - he is still a strong town read of mine but I don't like it seems like he is catering to a crowd but I am not ready to get weird on him

ap - still town reading him but there are some things that need to happen

unsure:

elyse - I had her as strong town but majiffy has made some really good points. we have talked in private about this and I see where he is coming from I just don't fully agree with it. I think this lynch pool sucks donkey balls and it would not have been my choice.

venny - I wobble on him. he knows me and yet he isn't interacting with me in order to get a better read. venny does my play look anything like reign of fire? nope. <------ that you can't see the difference is why I am not liking you

scum:

wis - knows me and is acting like he doesn't, he is doing the same thing that he did in polygamist I really fucking wish

someone

would read that game I mean there is a reason that I linked it. I think he is snowing people left and right just like he did nacho and me.

I know I am leaving someone out

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wis - knows me and is acting like he doesn't, he is doing the same thing that he did in polygamist I really fucking wish someone would read that game I mean there is a reason that I linked it. I think he is snowing people left and right just like he did nacho and me.

Ok seriously WTF am I doing here that I did in Polygamy? This game really has to be my most obvtown game, I have literally posted every thought that comes to my mind, no matter how many times I may change my opinion I don't care and I just post whatever the fuck is in my mind that second. I seriously cannot believe that you can be this stupid and keep scumreading me all fucking game when in other games that I was actually scummy you could see that I was town. If you are town, seriously snap out of it because it's fucking annoying. And while you're at it, stop townreading Majiffy for bullshit reasons. His case on Elyse is a nonsensincal stretch.

if you are town then why are you tunneling on me for really bad reasons? this is totally what you did to mara in polygamist. how is majiffy's case nonsensical? and I am talking to majiffy outside of the game thread he doesn't feel disingenuous. the questions he asks point straight to a town pov but I see why you are seeing him as scum cos it isn't translating in this thread. he is more succinct when we talk and it makes sense with what he is saying. I think you are trying to discredit my read on him.

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ap - still town reading him but there are some things that need to happen

Like what?

Come on mollie, I really want to work with you. You feel town and I can't really quantify it too well (although I can actually point to How2.5FriendsBangedYourMother now and you really dont feel like you did there).

The fake hammer incident is the HARDEST I've ever townslipped and if that isn't obvious, then : /

Every time I try to engage you about stuff (notably MAJIFFY) you get all paranoid and waffly until I give up and poke around elsewhere. We can sort this out with a solid, coordinated town base and I want to work with you on some lynches for my sanity's sake. We keep ending up on compromises or otherwise 'whatever' lynches.

Is Majiffy your biggest townread?

he is. and I have been trying to work with you but we can't seem to sync up.

how can we fix this.

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if you are town then why are you tunneling on me for really bad reasons? this is totally what you did to mara in polygamist. how is majiffy's case nonsensical?

How the fuck were my reasons on Mara in Polygamist bad? Did you forget you agreed with them?
I am not tunneling on you. I currently think, and stated one thousand times, that the scumteam is enomis/Majiffy/qwints. Guess what, that does NOT include you. I do think that you might be scum if one of those are wrong however. It is weird that you still don't townread me when you've easily townread me in other games. You said it yourself that it's scum who have weird sticky scumreads and that's exactly what you've had on me for this whole game. It's like you're searching for reasons to scumread me. How the fuck don't you see I'm town?

Majiffy's case is a stretch. He keeps saying that Elyse wants to link herself to dead people and other stuff which can be interpreted in much more simple ways. He was the one who showed me how my case on AP was a stretch because things could be seen in a much simplier way that I could not see, yet he now does it himself. I don't know what you two do privately, but in this thread Majiffy is scum. And I have not forgotten how he forgot his scumread on Grimgroove to vote Coug on D1, something that all of you have completely forgotten and ignore.

yes you are. every time I post you are all like "mollie is scum".

I usually get very town vibes from you and I didn't this game. after polygamist I would expect you to amp it up especially cos I think I caught you early in misstepping and it is nightless so you can't just up and nk me. and I am not being stupid wis and I think you know that. <----- this is why I think you are scum. tell me how I am being stupid cos I am not.

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@ ap

I don't like eno cos he is not helping me with wis when he should be since he is "supposedly" seeing the same thing I am. ftr I don't think eno and wis are on the same team.

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prod received will catch up

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I don't even remember what my reads were this game tbh

can someone tl;dr seraph for me tia

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what I hate, is that nobody can understand that I cannot <----- repeat cannot comprehend long wots unless there is an emotional appeal like on life channel. and I certainly cannot maintain an understanding of quote wars. I lose focus after 2 or 3 lines

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I can't remember if site meta dictates that if a lynch lasts this long it is on scum or not.

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no

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I am here

that was a no to you being lynched

that was me sorry

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Also, Majiffy, your track record of not being on the town lynch vote is extremely poor. What say you?

wat

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WHY WAS ELYSE LYNCHED

OMFG

^reverse cheerleading spotted itt. I am not happy with this at all

@ majiffy

why did you challenge groovey kid? and why did you not discuss it with me. this is the second time you have done this

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Why it is "whatevz"?? There are a lot of scum left and that resulted in a third town lynch. Do you just not care if the town wins or are you scum?

She was getting in the way of town working as a cohesive unit.

Also, Majiffy, your track record of not being on the town lynch vote is extremely poor. What say you?

So is your problem that I haven't been voting to lynch townies, or that town hasn't been listening to me?

Because I don't think either of those are

my

problem when you consider our situation.

Mollie I need more from you this go around. Get into this game.

I have been listening to you this is a misrep, but why do you keep challenging my town reads? you aren't working with me at all and I know that I have not been as present as I was before but you know that I am waaaay overgamed right now.

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VOTE: pirate mollie

you have got to be fucking kidding me

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VOTE: majiffy

hell no

you know you can outargue me and you know that I am in a buttload of games.

plz answer the question as to why you keep challenging my town reads tia

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Also what's up with this whole indignant act NOW? You already knew that I had challenged Silver. You posted afterwards! I asked you about it!

I don't buy this one bit.

my head has not been in the game and you know it. I never agreed to it or if I did I don't remember. the indignation comes from you not discussing it with me or listening to my input about who we should challenge

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my head has not been in the game and you know it. I never agreed to it or if I did I don't remember. the indignation comes from you not discussing it with me or listening to my input about who we should challenge

I've been trying to discuss this game with you and you've continually ignored me / delayed posting in the game / never responded.

This feels like scum mollie not wanting to get close.

I have not ignored you. when did you try to discuss it with me? you have reminded me to get back into the game and when I do you give up a bunch of shitty reasons for your sticky vote. I am shocked that I am less than thrilled by the idea of getting another shitshow with you. and I will get as close as you wanna get.

I think you are scum.

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VOTE: Grimgroove

Not interested in Majiffy right now.

The challenge shows a lack of interest in self preservation. I kinda dislike how hes saying he did it for cred to a degree but ALSO saying hes trying to hunt Mollie, but I can see him doing it as pissed off town.

he has been issuing challenges all game and yes, he would totally do it as scum.

we should have made a wb to keep better track of our conversations cos he is saying that he told me he was going to challenge groovy kid but I really don't remember it.

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Oh shit Mollie is scumreading Majiffy now?

Mollie, why do you think GG is town?

I have been scum reading ever since he placed that shitty vote on me you dummy

I don't know what to think of groovy kid. he seems to have disappeared.

all of my reads have been terrible this game so i am not trusting them. I need to do a hard reset

@ majiffy

also was there something you wanted ask me/discuss? cos so far you have not done either I mean you are talking a lot of junk in the game so why don't you talk to me here in now front of everybody.

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also was there something you wanted ask me/discuss? cos so far you have not done either I mean you are talking a lot of junk in the game so why don't you talk to me here in now front of everybody.

List all your reads.
Is your scumread of me entirely dependent on my vote on you?
Do you not find my vote justified?

venny feels good, I can follow his thinking and where he is going. I don't think he is going for easy lynches or low fruit hanging unlike some people I could name.

ap is all over the place and making such a spectacle of himself I just can't imagine that scum would do that. unsure

wis makes me bi-polar, sometimes he looks so town it hurts and then sometimes I feel like he is being manipulative. very unsure.

groovy kid has a big question mark over his head. he just seemed really really town with his exchanges with amrun and his whole meltdown felt genuine.

I am scumreading you cos you are being disingenuous as hell with me in this game. I think what you are doing is steering the game in the direction you want it to go and it isn't working out. you do this as town too but at least then you will reconsider and in this game you are not. I think your push on me at a time when you know I am in a shitload of games is lazy and opportunistic as fuck. your scum.

and you said that your vote was to get me into the game so I did and then you leave it there with trumped up justification. I am sure you will come up with some dumb reason I mean its like you are not even trying. you just don't feel town to me sorry babe.

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^scum

and I am going to buy you an ornate silver frame with goddess engraved all around it with a picture of me inside.

yes. you are being opportunistic. and you have been going after low hanging fruit all game.

eta: the ^scum is to majiffy

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venny don't you dare get weird on me

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you were claiming to have been scum reading me before I even reacted so how does that work.

can we just lynch this now plz thx 1 of you pansies needs to man up and hammer him

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Yeah, but he claimed that he challenged so he could see mollie's reaction, which I'm inclined to believe

. I suppose that leaves the question of why he challenged my slot in particular to test mollie, but Grim was sort the next most obvious target. If town-Majiffy did want to go after mollie, I don't see why he would have challenged anyone different.

I don't not for 1 second.

fucking A, the timing of when he did this was bad bad bad and

he knew this

. he immediately places a vote on me to test "my reaction" but I don't get from what he has said that he was even interested in my reaction. jesus christ it is right there in there in the thread. scum has been controlling the lynches up until this point, do you know what lynches seem to fall apart in the later stage of the game (pikman was a hard lesson to learn and I own my part in that)?

LYNCHES ON SCUM. why? cos scum is controlling the lynch.

why do you guys think I try get on top of things and work with town so hard on d1? cos if town does not control the game on d1 then scum does.

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Look, I know what you're saying, but why the whole sidetracking thing with mollie?

All it did was antagonise her and bring him closer to being lynched. I think had he either not challenged at all, or challenged my slot and gone after grim hard, he would be in better standing now. Surely he must have anticipated taking flak for the challenge, so that just sounds like arbitrary and frankly bad play for scum-Majiffy.

cos he knows he can outargue me.

I am not going to be mad sera. but jesus christ plz get rid of majiffy in the next day round.

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I wouldn't have followed him so easily as I have been. seraph was scum reading me the day before, ap has been bi-polar but I think if he would have gone after grim it would have exposed him.

it isn't like there isn't a precedent, he tried to get me lynched on tr but none of the players would have it cos they know me there. he has a greater advantage on this site.

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Yeah, but he claimed that he challenged so he could see mollie's reaction, which I'm inclined to believe

.

I don't not for 1 second.

fucking A, the timing of when he did this was bad bad bad and

he knew this

. he immediately places a vote on me to test "my reaction" but I don't get from what he has said that he was even interested in my reaction.

*Ahem*

Spoiler: Exhibit A

I, for one, am satisfied with the Elyse lynch. Didn't hit scum, but whatevz.

Challenge: Silver

Time for Mollie to rage at me.

Wait was that no to you not raging at me or no to Wisdom voting me?

Mollieeeee

Ok.

Why aren't you freaking out like last time I challenged?

It really doesn't get any more clear-cut than that.

I mean... Wait, Mollie has the words for this;

jesus christ it is right there in there in the thread.

Actually no, screw this. I still want to say they're both town, but if I'm wrong about one, I'd rather have it be scum-mollie looking too town to be scum than scum-Majiffy's actions being bad play for scum. If that means I just let scum-mollie AtE me off a good vote then I apologise, but I'm more comfortable with this:

VOTE: Majiffy

u r idjit.

where is the lie

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VOTE: venmar

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Mollie and I were totally scum together.

I dropped that 'when mollie flips town' intentionally to make you think I was slipping about her being town.

what the fuck ap don't even.

I am sorry I played so bad town

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calling it wis/seraph/sera

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jesus christ I am so fucking glad this game is over you people have no idea

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thank you for the game haschal

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sera I am sorry.

It sucked being scum as a neighbor with majiffy in a nightless game. I had no break.

but hai if you are going to pick a game to throw your meta go for the gold.

I think scum neighbors are very scum sided IMO, it happened in the last game I gmed where there was a scum neighborizer who wormed her way into everyone's confidence and pretty much led scum to a perfect win.

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I am also sorry to groovey kid, elyse and amrun.

I was terrible to you guys.

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so many haterz

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well it was nice to feel good about making it to endgame as scum for the first time on this site for a few hours at least.

itt the gm pretty much calls the scum team pitiful and the ever1 thinks I did a sucky job including 1 of my scummates. in my defense I just didn't want to interfere with the beautiful process of having majiffy do a better job of working towards my wc than I ever could.

there was 1 awsum moment though. getting strangcoug lynched on d1 when I thought he was the most level headed player in the game. that was pretty funny.

everything else was excruciating.

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thanks guys

sorry I didn't mean to be so whiney.

having to lie to your SO for an extended period of time defo had its toll.

thanks for the feedback heschel.

@ groovy kid

I was grooming the hell out of you and had a whole big long apology worked out for postgame. but then you replaced out

and your replacement was actually kicking ass when she first subbed in.

nth

on seraph sticking around

ap's timing was really really good, he seemed to have an uncanny sense of when to step in and disperse town. qwints's posts were really deft and totally under the radar despite him attracting a lot of attention. I did a little dance when he subbed in.

re: set up

I have played 4 nightless games (3 offsite) and town has only won once despite the set-up being incredibly town sided IMO. when town won they had 6 or 7 players left but the gm lied about a scum flip by saying the player was town and continuing the game (he is a massive troll like that). it ended in a 3 person lylo (all town) and they sort of realised what think3r was doing but knew they had to lynch someone anyways and so they decided democratically lol. it was pretty entertaining.

it went like this:

gib: "I am pretty sure we are all town and think3r is just trolling but someone has to go and I don't want to lynch a girl".
ksen: "okay I will take 1 for the team"

Meanwhile, on TR post-games...

nah. town would have had to have won first and then spend 28 pages emotionally eviscerating each other and blaming each other for...winning.