Mini 1677 - Ori and the Blind Forest Mafia - Forest Revived

Tere · Post Post #1287 (isolation #0) » Sun May 31, 2015 8:28 am

Hi guys!

VOTE: UNVOTE

First things first.

I don't have a great deal of time for the rest of the evening. I've been reading along but will need to go back and spreadsheet and stuff. I hopefully should get this done tomorrow since I am trying to wean myself off Spreadsheeting all the Things.

My bottom line is that most of day 1 looks like a gigantic town v town fest to me and scum are probably sitting back toasting marshmallows and singing kumbaya, much as we scums did in Day 2 / 3 of Pokemon.

I literally need to go and serve dinner right now but right now town ika mollie and myself, poss scum Yukari, prob scum Bookitty and a morass of people in the middle I need to sort.

Will be here tomorrow.

In the meantime I plead with everyone who is town to have a good think about their reads. I would be up for leaving Yukari and Mollieslot completely off the table for today and look elsewhere on principle. Let's get everyone in and posting and contributing. There's no rush and I'd really appreciate no flash lynches.

Thanks! <3

@ika and frogmollie yes I am town and we need to synch xx

@Bella there was at least one town neighbourhood in HU2 IIRC. Worked quite well from my recollection too.

pedit pedit plz sit on Boo poke her with sticks and get her to talk

back tomorrow

Tere · Post Post #1291 (isolation #1) » Sun May 31, 2015 9:16 am

↑ Bookitty wrote:
↑ Tere wrote:sit on Boo poke her with sticks and get her to talk

Don't MAKE me threaten to replace out. I'll do it! -holds water pistol to head in a threatening manner-

... they can be fluffy sticks?

Off to watch telly with hubby back tomorrow xx

Boo I know we haven't played together but I read, er, DOA I think and you still seem like a lovely person but more like a Boo who doesn't want to be scum than a Boo who is town. From a gutread, anyway.

Try and synch with people if you are town plz <3

Tere · Post Post #1298 (isolation #2) » Sun May 31, 2015 11:15 am

Regardless of alignment if you are really feeling that unhappy and lost it is completely OK to replace out. Don't feel you have to continue if you are having no fun. Xx

Tere · Post Post #1299 (isolation #3) » Sun May 31, 2015 11:16 am

Molliefrog thing and ika we should try to synch tomorrow nn xx

Tere · Post Post #1301 (isolation #4) » Sun May 31, 2015 11:28 am

Don't vote your slot. Can you explain in small words what the issue is? Or If this is newbie queue logistics thing (I never bothered with it so I don't know) mebbe talk to Ank about it in PM? This is meant to be fun and if the not fun is warping your play it is ok to pm the mod and have a chat imo.

Tere · Post Post #1302 (isolation #5) » Sun May 31, 2015 11:30 am

I mean the obv thing to me is gen an alt but I don't know genuinely if the newbie mods would be yelling at me right now. I would pm them or ank or both though. Peace.

Tere · Post Post #1305 (isolation #6) » Sun May 31, 2015 11:41 am

@froggingmollie gen is not an alt, I mean he could generate an alt and try again but I really don't know if that's Ok. Bottom line is if he is unhappy and staying in the game due to some arcane newbie queue rules I am unaware of the best thing is that he talks to Ank and the newbie mods and works it out with them because if there are rules staying in a game you are not happy in is prob not the intended effect of said rules.

The mods are human too, Yukari

Tere · Post Post #1308 (isolation #7) » Sun May 31, 2015 11:53 am

↑ pirate mollie wrote:I don't know who gen is

Read above dippit <3

Yukari, out of time but if this is motivating your pkay we can work it out tomorrow. In all honesty I would prefer to play with someone in your slot that wants to be here. Not read up apart from your last post but still unsure about what the problem is though? Iirc anyone can in to a new bie game but some slots are reserved for newbies?

Pedit fucking tablet you get the drift!

Tere · Post Post #1355 (isolation #8) » Mon Jun 01, 2015 10:22 am

Ok so I have read up and spreadsheeted and shit and quite frankly I am exhausted, I am going to drink some wine, go to bed and have fresh eyes on it tomorrow.

You can have soul reads tonight.

Town bloc not lynching ever: ika, grib, Tere

Pretty sure like 95% is town bloc too but we need to interact because I don't know if the not town read of me is hangover from elusive (but they seemed to be reading elusive as town even when fighting), town paranoia or something else. Also I'd like Frogger to talk too!: Frogging Mollie

Stronger town lean: Bookitty, Hydrangea

Probably terrible town, outside chance of scum or SK: Yukari. Sorry Yukari but your play was horrible if town. Thanks for replacing out that's the most town orientated thing you could have done to redeem that slot if town. I suggest you talk to the mods in the newbie queue about the best way to get you back to matrix 6 as that's clearly where you want to be. Please don't troll other peeps games, it's not fun. Even if not on the same team you don't get the same feeling of achievement if people are throwing their wincon.

Leaning scum but probably not on same team as Plumscum: Bella

Probable scumpool: ZZZX, Dragonspawn

Scummy as fuck lynch this: Plum

This is where my head is at right now. I'm gonna check email and other games because I've spent most of the day on this and then mebbe hang out and drunk Tere briefly.

Tere · Post Post #1356 (isolation #9) » Mon Jun 01, 2015 10:23 am

OK Plumscum and Z are not on the same team and Bella is sheeping Plumscum. Switching Bella and Z.

I would much appreciate it if everyone who is town who doesn't want a flashwagon gets the hell off the Z wagon.

Tere · Mon Jun 01, 2015 10:27 am

Seriously guys, that's L-1. What's the rush?

I don't even like ZZZX's ISO that much (although his insistence MS was town gave me some townvibes) but I hate that flashwagon even more. :/

Tere · Mon Jun 01, 2015 10:29 am

↑ Ankamius wrote:
Vote Count 2.3

Frogging Mollie (1)
- Yukari

Bookitty (1)
- elusive
Bellaphant -
dragonspawn -
elusive -
Grib -
Hydrangea -
ika -
Plum -
Yukari -
ZZZX -

Not Voting (9): Bellaphant, Bookitty, dragonspawn, Frogging Mollie, Grib, Hydrangea, ika, Plum, ZZZX

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2015-06-13 19:30:19), or June 13th, 6:30PM CST (GMT-6).

Prodding: N/A
Replacing: N/A

12 days to deadline peeps. Take a chill pill or something. Let's do some actual sorting, yeah?

Tere · Mon Jun 01, 2015 10:33 am

No cmon, Z - you can do better than that. Give some reads.

Tere · Mon Jun 01, 2015 10:38 am

I think two scum just outed themselves personally.

Tere · Mon Jun 01, 2015 10:52 am

↑ Grib wrote:@Bella: yes.

Also ZZZX is town so I'm coming for you.

VOTE: Bellaphant

fake edit: go on, Tere.

I'd vote Plum then Bella right now but we can do it your way.

There were a couple of town flashes in Bella's posts this Day I thought but that whole flashwagon just made me go auuuurgh.

But I am in the nobody flashwagon anything right now camp atm because I've just binged read almost 1400 posts and my head hurts.

Tere · Mon Jun 01, 2015 10:56 am

↑ Bellaphant wrote:UNVOTE:

A lot has just happened. But, Tere, I'm not 'sheeping' plum. Don't make stuff up.

So why precisely did you bring a player to L-1 without saying a damn thing about it just then?

Tere · Mon Jun 01, 2015 11:02 am

OK, can you not bloody do that then? My poor old heart doesn't like these sudden excitements :/ Get better at maths

OK, so attention people who are town: can nobody flashwagon anything for a bit please? We have almost 2 weeks to deadline. 2 weeks. We've come out of a day 1 which has certainly seemed to me to be an enormous town v town shit fest. Can we try talking to each other rather than voting for pressure and having derp wagons forming?

I'd also be much obliged if everyone who voted Z could go back, have a good look at him and restate their case because it's not that I think he's supertown as you can see from my reads list but that wagon speed was just horribad.

Intent to vote Plum atm. Let's do intents for a bit, hmm?

Tere · Post Post #1415 (isolation #17) » Mon Jun 01, 2015 9:15 pm

Frogging mollie, you are town, ika, you are town. The best thing we can do here is ditch the paranoia wibbles and start from there.

C'mon. Group hug?

I am going to look at WNI's ISO again because I think her ISO was very good on the quieter people. Following a hunch on why she might be the kill (well that and it puts the heat on mollie of course)

Ika I need to get up and take a shower and stuff. We can synch later if you want? It must be 3 am where you are?

Tere · Post Post #1416 (isolation #18) » Mon Jun 01, 2015 9:16 pm

I will coffee and stay up late if need be. Yay timezones! Warning, you may get drunkTere if this happens....

Tere · Mon Jun 01, 2015 11:54 pm

↑ Frogging Mollie wrote:okay so tere

the reason you don't like the zzthing lynch is the speed of the wagon?

for some1 who has said that they wanna talk to me you sure as hell are not doing it!

also wld you mind explaining what you mean by you are wondering about cos of a hangover for elusive? cos elusive was voting me cos she did not like me
NOT
cos she was scumreading me and she said this so wld you mind walking me through this?

I am anti any fucking flashwagon right now. We've come out of a town v town shit fest. The game needs breathing space and time for everyone to contribute. I don't want to stop the flow of conversation.

You are weirding me out a little because I feel you should be town reading me strongly and you didn't seem to be? However although this gives me emotional conniptions I reckon it shows you are def town and you are just being paranoid because scum you would have cuddled up to me and stroked my hair and whispered sweet nothings in my ear right now.

I need to deal with [redacted] today but will try and hang out so we can synch later on my evening, OK?

Also stop freaking out about ika k thanks <3

I liked Frogger's drunkposting too

p-edit I see you, how long you got?

Tere · Mon Jun 01, 2015 11:55 pm

Quit that. We are not derp lynching you.

Tere · Mon Jun 01, 2015 11:56 pm

↑ ZZZX wrote:Scum
Bellaphant << Extreme Gut scum read, also putting someone at l1 without announcing it is something scum does way too often from my personal experiance
Bookitty << scum for reasons I already explainedbefore including how engaged town kitty was.
Yukari << I feel he might eb twon but didnt like most of his posts since long ago
Grib << Just another guy pushing me for "poe" without even going how he got it..
Frogging Mollie << DIdnt like early attacks on sonic. I foudn it as if trying to get rid of future dangers (since sonic reads mollie decently i believe)
Hydrangea << null, Must read
dragonspawn << liked singer's posts mostly. Cant think of much about thsi guy yet. Needs more reading
elusive (tere now) is town. I had a slight town read on elusive and I find teres posts pretty much with good intentions. This is town
ika << I think that is town ika. Didnt see much of ika's scum game but I believe he is too carefree for scum
ZZZX
Town

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=55485 << read this if u still think im scum

p-edit: I hated the post you did to push me to l2 for no reason. And if u asked me who would i want to get lynched at that stage if I didnt skim the thread that'd be you. But well after skiming it appears you are more null/towny that my initial thoughts anyway.

pp-edit: Not buying that post bella. totally not buying it. VOTE: Bella

Anyway I can finally sleep in peace..

Z, I think you missed off your read on Plum, could you elaborate? It was Plum who pushed you to L-2 BTW, if you think it was Grib.

Tere · Tue Jun 02, 2015 12:05 am

Mollie have a hug, I will go get a coffee and then I will be about.

Tere · Tue Jun 02, 2015 12:06 am

I agree re Cho BTW.

Tere · Tue Jun 02, 2015 12:30 am

Oh, I didn't get any fruit last night.

Tere · Post Post #1427 (isolation #25) » Tue Jun 02, 2015 3:35 am

↑ Frogging Mollie wrote:*if ika is town or not

I wasn't finished but it submitted anyways so whatevs.

I probably shld stop posting anyways cos I woke up in a great mood after getting some quality sleep but ika's post has simply set me off cos there is zero reason for him to be running around raging when no1 has said anything bad about him or to him.

I also reached out to you, you know. Timezones aren't always that great for this kind of stuff.

ika is as ika does.

Take the breather if you need to - you can always send in the Frogger, he seems cool and his drunkpost was very funny.

Tere · Post Post #1434 (isolation #26) » Tue Jun 02, 2015 9:00 am

Hi ika, I'm here! eating atm. Kinda doing other stuff too because reasons but checking this thread now and again too.

@dragon my read on ika is solely on game play. Neighbourhood is null.

Does remind me though - is there anything in the neighbourhood we may have missed that might be useful, ika? Care to have a read through?

Tere · Tue Jun 02, 2015 11:36 am

↑ Frogging Mollie wrote:
↑ Tere wrote:
I also reached out to you, you know. Timezones aren't always that great for this kind of stuff.

ika is as ika does.

Take the breather if you need to - you can always send in the Frogger, he seems cool and his drunkpost was very funny.

okay I see it now ty for the hug <3

do you think you can iso zzthing? cos that shld have been the first thing that you shld have done IMO before you decided to dismantle the wagon. I don't think anybody was going to quick hammer 2 lynches in a row but I wanted to apply pressure onto zzthing to get him to DO something. which he DID manage to cough up a readslist but it was sooper dismal combined with his iso. I thought after the nightless game he wld have gained some confidence and start really investing in games but I guess not.

I can see why you want to go after plum. my reticence stems largely cos both she and boo come from the ballroom dancing mafia time period and will stick out like sore thumbs with a backdrop of primarily conversational mafia players. so I have been trying to engage her in way that will help me sort her out. she was pretty strong town on d1 I felt like but eh, today I get the feeling she is holding back and waiting for where town herd will go. my personal struggle is cos I find myself liking her especially how she lays out her thought processes. so i find myself wanting to keep her around cos she is lovely to talk to.

can you also iso yukari, I looked up cho's threads that he has posted in cos I wanted to see where the familiarity was coming from and I think I have an idea. I was starting to lean town on yukari just cos I wld be surprised if scum was THIS butthurt over not getting their lynch choice lynched I mean holy cow but I don't like cho's "yeah I can see mollie's last 4 posts coming from scum! VOTE FROGMOLL" but eh, I can see town motivation in seeing who wld latch on if I squint my eyes real hard so I am defo split on that slot. froggy will be chanting to his death that he thinks yukari slot is scum. yukari saying that he cld sort out metal by vigging him makes zero sense I mean just lynch him already but he seemed to have an agenda as far as the priorities of the lynch order. I have only seen this kind of bs come from lynchers but I will hunt ank down IRL and murder him if he put a hood and a lyncher in a game w/o adequate town fire power so I am not going there.

cld you plz talk to grib? my fear is that and I might somehow some way wind up further in the game with him having inherited elusive's chip on her shoulder and that it will effect a town win. what irks me is that elusive has a history of doing this exact behaviour with other players on her homesite that he doesn't seem to be taking into consideration and I feel like it isn't very fair.

if either (or both which I don't want to even consider) boo or plum are scum it will depress me greatly cos those are the 2 that I like most in the game up to this point.

I feel better after updating the spreadsheet we had started, it is a touching stone for me to look at and figure things out. I was waiting to see if we made it through the night.

and I feel better after talking to you.

@ boo thanks for your input on hydraflower. I am not getting bad feels from her either but was wondering if I was being blindsighted.

<3 Mollie I love you and reaching out across continent so that too. BTW I hadn't announced it yeah but I will be wednesday thursday around a working week so = reading and contributing hard +16 to +38 anyway

Tere · Tue Jun 02, 2015 11:51 am

↑ dragonspawn wrote:
↑ Tere wrote:Hi ika, I'm here! eating atm. Kinda doing other stuff too because reasons but checking this thread now and again too.

@dragon my read on ika is solely on game play. Neighbourhood is null.

Does remind me though - is there anything in the neighbourhood we may have missed that might be useful, ika? Care to have a read through?

What is your read on ika? I may have missed it. Why?

If you come after ika I will eat all of you and your babies case plz.

Tere · Tue Jun 02, 2015 11:52 am

↑ Frogging Mollie wrote:
↑ dragonspawn wrote:
↑ pirate mollie wrote:
↑ Grib wrote:Well, you could try talking to me, instead of asking Tere to talk to me for you?

I don't have any particular attachment to anyone in this game, except ika I guess, but he's town so yay for me.

I wish dragon and Cho would do something interesting.

Bookitty's last couple of posts have been pretty fluffy.

okay, lets try to have a conversation.

I think ika is town too cos of his outburst. plus i don't think wni wld be his nk choice cos of the exposure it wld bring him as being the only survivor of the hood.

the last 2 sentences go back to what I was saying before, in that scum are more likely to sit back and watch where town goes on d2 after a hard 1v1 on d1 when it is between town. I don't think all wld do this but I defo think that it is possible that 2 wld.

do you see my dilemma with yukari/cho?

Are you saying you think the scum are setting up a 1v1 with you and yukari/cho? Or that they are just going to sit back and watch the town do it?

What do you think of the vig claim? Is there anything about the slot that makes you think town?

grib you are killing me with the last 2 questions cos I have said what I thought of the vig claim and I have said that the 1 thing that gives me pause is how much they whined about us not getting lynched and something about mollie worshippers.

s far as the first question, it is only possible if they set up a block but why block a nk on town just to get 1 lynch out of it when they cld have gotten 2 town nks in and a mislynch today? it doesn't make sense to me. and smart scum usually lets town do the lynching with subtle pushes on town so yeah that was my thinking but now that I am putting more thought into it the vig claim just seems more and more unlikely especially with how it was done i.e. the sorting of metal then insisting that we get lynched before metal. if scum don't have day talk it really looks like a newbscum mistake (the claim).

Mollie I would die before gib can we sort next week with time?

Tere · Tue Jun 02, 2015 11:53 am

pedit grib ugh. You know of whom I speak

Tere · Tue Jun 02, 2015 10:39 pm

I am just about to head to London for an event - will be sans internet for 24 hours. Will catch up when I get back.

Tere · Post Post #1505 (isolation #32) » Thu Jun 04, 2015 9:21 am

Z, if you are town what is the best way to engage you because I'd like for that to happen rather than for you to be lynchbait?

In the meantime:

VOTE: Plum

because I am still not feeling anything in her ISO is coming from a genuine town standpoint.

People who are townreading her, I'd love to know why, because I am not sharing that viewpoint at all.

I will tell you who else was starting to WTF at her yesterday though - the dead townie....

↑ White Night Imagination wrote:
↑ Plum wrote:WNI, why haven't you voted Frogmollie or otherwise pursued her? If you're convinced MS is Town and Frogmollie is scum to the point that you can see lynch MS --> speedlynch Frogmollie working out, why haven't you put anything into cutting out the middleman? Yukari even suggested it. You're literally voting Bookitty basically to try to save MS and just nope. This whole bit is part of the reason I'm not trusting you at all here. Not buying Frogmollie scum for now, not interested in justifying it to you either. It doesn't matter. The argument between you two has devolved into something full of negative utility and I don't want to come near it.

because of people like you who don't want to lynch her for *insert shit reason here* and don't give a shit about justifying it

if the entire argument between us is negative utility, why is it surprising I'm not making a bigger deal over it than I am? I don't always try to lynch my top scum read - I sometimes aim for other ppl for strategic reasons (plus as I said I think Boo has a greater than average chance of flipping scum anyway). and I think I've done a pretty good job of pursuing it thus far in that although I didn't try to lynch her I'll have drawn a lot of attention to her *if* I'm right about MS being town here.

↑ White Night Imagination wrote:actually, the more I reread that paragraph of 871, the less sense it makes

>calls the mollie fight anti-town
>I've admitted as much in the game thread
>is surprised I'm NOT pursuing it HARDER than I am?

???

saying it's bad that I'm attempting to save a town read is also ???.

Tere · Post Post #1506 (isolation #33) » Thu Jun 04, 2015 9:25 am

↑ ika wrote:
↑ Frogging Mollie wrote:

1) when I wanted to look elsewhere for scum other than metal cos of the claim you pushed it through so wtf, this is nothing like shos.

unless you are saying that you were townreading metal...at some point when you wanted him lynched? <----- I wld like this answered.

cos I don't remember that happening at all.

2) your angles are wrong. why are you asking why pple are assuming a rb? I mean it comes down to either yukari/cho is lying or we are unless there is a rb in play or in some vague universe far far away a protect. I am trying to figure out why you are staying away from the whole situ when it shld be your top priority to sort it out.

3) I wld also like you to give me a stance on zzthing and I do not wanna hear how he has not posted much so you can't give a read cos you seem to have this expectation that other pple shld be able to but not you.

4) I want to see you try to solve the game cos I am simply not seeing it.

1) you never made it clear, there was a breif glimp where i thought he was town near end of day but i was at work wehn i considered it (i think about my games a lot when at work and board). it was also at the begining of the day. its just not really that much shown. but by the times it came to futition it was too late like 99% of the other times i realize it.

2)
cus honestly the best way to sort it out is lynch yukari/you.
we can sit here and speculate till the days ends btu it leaves notohign but wifom.

3) he can jsut fucking die in this game, you seem to think after our team game we should have some magic meta/connection but the truth of the matter is i/we dont. after the gaem we barly ever chatted scince then. i cant force a read i dont have.

4) cus hoenslty after the who shitfest i lost a lot of my urge to solve the game. right now i just want to have a moment to jsut take everythign in. i mean when i get univeraly town read i become apathetic and less gamesolvy cus its a vicious cycle of "im town, now everyone says nothing like im reactionary so when theres nothing to react to, i cant really sove games"

Wut? We are not lynching mollie toDay. She's depressed / lost / demotivated town. How the fuck would that advance the gamestate?

Does not compute.

Tere · Post Post #1507 (isolation #34) » Thu Jun 04, 2015 9:30 am

↑ Frogging Mollie wrote:
↑ Tere wrote:
I also reached out to you, you know. Timezones aren't always that great for this kind of stuff.

ika is as ika does.

Take the breather if you need to - you can always send in the Frogger, he seems cool and his drunkpost was very funny.

okay I see it now ty for the hug <3

do you think you can iso zzthing? cos that shld have been the first thing that you shld have done IMO before you decided to dismantle the wagon. I don't think anybody was going to quick hammer 2 lynches in a row but I wanted to apply pressure onto zzthing to get him to DO something. which he DID manage to cough up a readslist but it was sooper dismal combined with his iso. I thought after the nightless game he wld have gained some confidence and start really investing in games but I guess not.

I can see why you want to go after plum. my reticence stems largely cos both she and boo come from the ballroom dancing mafia time period and will stick out like sore thumbs with a backdrop of primarily conversational mafia players. so I have been trying to engage her in way that will help me sort her out. she was pretty strong town on d1 I felt like but eh, today I get the feeling she is holding back and waiting for where town herd will go. my personal struggle is cos I find myself liking her especially how she lays out her thought processes. so i find myself wanting to keep her around cos she is lovely to talk to.

can you also iso yukari, I looked up cho's threads that he has posted in cos I wanted to see where the familiarity was coming from and I think I have an idea. I was starting to lean town on yukari just cos I wld be surprised if scum was THIS butthurt over not getting their lynch choice lynched I mean holy cow but I don't like cho's "yeah I can see mollie's last 4 posts coming from scum! VOTE FROGMOLL" but eh, I can see town motivation in seeing who wld latch on if I squint my eyes real hard so I am defo split on that slot. froggy will be chanting to his death that he thinks yukari slot is scum. yukari saying that he cld sort out metal by vigging him makes zero sense I mean just lynch him already but he seemed to have an agenda as far as the priorities of the lynch order. I have only seen this kind of bs come from lynchers but I will hunt ank down IRL and murder him if he put a hood and a lyncher in a game w/o adequate town fire power so I am not going there.

cld you plz talk to grib? my fear is that and I might somehow some way wind up further in the game with him having inherited elusive's chip on her shoulder and that it will effect a town win. what irks me is that elusive has a history of doing this exact behaviour with other players on her homesite that he doesn't seem to be taking into consideration and I feel like it isn't very fair.

if either (or both which I don't want to even consider) boo or plum are scum it will depress me greatly cos those are the 2 that I like most in the game up to this point.

I feel better after updating the spreadsheet we had started, it is a touching stone for me to look at and figure things out. I was waiting to see if we made it through the night.

and I feel better after talking to you.

@ boo thanks for your input on hydraflower. I am not getting bad feels from her either but was wondering if I was being blindsighted.

Mollie, quoting this so it doesn't get lost. I should have more time to spend on this game tomorrow. You aren't being ignored! xx

Tere · Thu Jun 04, 2015 10:27 am

Well if Cho doesn't turn up soon and do something that's certainly an option.

Could you go back and read Plum por favor and tell me what you think?

Tere · Thu Jun 04, 2015 11:22 am

I think the whole thing is so hedgy, skatey, full of soft FOS and so opportunistic I'm at a loss to understand how you can't see that.

Quick, tell me where her head is and what her reads are. You can't. She's been slithering around on the sidelines the whole damn game, laying easy votes and poking low hanging fruit occasionally. There's zero town motivation there that I can see.

The scum coaching of Yukari's pretty fucking obvious too, actually, on a reread.

Tere · Post Post #1523 (isolation #37) » Thu Jun 04, 2015 7:33 pm

I saw the fruit crumb too.

Tere · Post Post #1524 (isolation #38) » Thu Jun 04, 2015 7:39 pm

Mollie are you any good at reading Cho? She slipped past me in Paradise Lost although I wasn't reading that well / closely because arrgh that game.

Tere · Thu Jun 04, 2015 10:05 pm

Oh hey dragon hey dragon hey.

Where is your head at with regard to:

Plum
Yukari / Cho
ZZthing
Bella
Hydrangea

gogogo

Tere · Thu Jun 04, 2015 10:17 pm

Also @mollie I ISOed ZZthing and I think he's lost town currently being used as lynchbait. Don't want to lynch him today for sure.

Tere · Thu Jun 04, 2015 11:39 pm

Yukari trawl.

First off, I should say that Cho's entrance hasn't exactly wowed me but she's had 3 days only. I want to see what she does next.

Spoiler: Notes reading through Yukari's ISO

TL:DR?

Apart from AAAAAAAAAAAAAuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggggggggggh having reread through I am erring toward putting Yukari into the townpile at least for today. I don't think I think they are groupscum looking at interactions on their side with Plumscum (so OK Plum, you can have that you probably weren't coaching in thread after all). Plus I see the please NK me thanks as very unlikely when you know you have a team you can talk to and support you.

I really want to see what Cho does with this slot. OK they might continue to be roleblocked by scum (that's where my money is on what happened last night) but there's plenty of other ways to obvtown themselves. I guess it could be the SK slot given no other NK last night (I need to reread the set up again but IIRC there's a definite SK?) and Yukari decided to play for town but I think I want to try to find groupscum today.

Tere · Fri Jun 05, 2015 12:26 am

↑ Cho wrote:I'm town, Yukari was town, Mollie is town, ika is town, Plum leans town, will ISO ZZZX and get some other pressing stuff on the table in an hour or so.

Why is Plum a town lean for you, Cho?

Tere · Post Post #1532 (isolation #43) » Fri Jun 05, 2015 1:26 am

I agree with Zzthing.

I don't think cho is groupscum after my reread. They could be SK, but I just don't see Yukari as SK being that ballsy - they came over as in general a conservative player, playing to their wincon less because they wanted to go back to matrix6. But Cho hasn't exactly filled me with townfeels and needs to do something.

The L-1 by Bella bothers me but reading the rest of her ISO feels a little better. She's fairly new and this could be newbtown trying to work things out.

I had notes about hydrangea looking like a bit like lost town when I read through, but she's barely registering now and that worries me. I need to reread her.

Plum is sneaky slithery obvscum to me. And that L-2 vote on ZZthing without saying was horribad, particularly given it seemed to be a lazy 180 degree shift based on something Grib said when she was town reading him day 1. Just looks desperately opportunistic. I think Bella might be the town caught in that trap and hydrangea and Plum may be the scum on that wagon. Plum is clearly very likeable and it kinda bugs me that peeps seem to be townreading her from that.

Boo I had strong scumfeels for on a first skim before I replaced in but I felt better about her when I reread her slot, particularly around the end of Day 1 when she seemed genuinely lost town trying to figure things out.

Bonus what I think of you: I wasn't getting great townfeels from singer and you don't feel very impactful having replaced in. My problem with you is I know you look scummy when town. I need to reread you and have a think.

Apart from Plum my lynch pool is too wide ATM. Bah and double bah.

Would you do me a favour and go read Plum's ISO and see what you think?

Tere · Post Post #1534 (isolation #44) » Fri Jun 05, 2015 1:37 am

OK, but it would be much appreciated! <3

BTW I just reread hydrangea and my townfeels on that slot took a nosedive. Would prefer Plum though.

Tere · Post Post #1535 (isolation #45) » Fri Jun 05, 2015 1:40 am

↑ Ankamius wrote:
**All Role PMs are now out. Confirm in thread. Day starts when 10/12 are confirmed.**

**Also note that the alignments in this game are flavored. The following are known to be in the game:

Hope = Town
Despair = Mafia

If any other alignments exist in the game, their flavored alignment will be flipped and clarified at the same time.**

Pulling this up to here for myself to remind me that a third party is not guaranteed in this set up!

Tere · Post Post #1539 (isolation #46) » Fri Jun 05, 2015 5:56 am

So can you please try and sort Plum instead of something something ancient history I like her and want to keep her around because I like her? Because I am seeing nothing in her ISO giving me warm fuzzies.

And if you think I only have one scumread then you aren't reading because I am not OK on the dragonslot as I've made clear. I know dragon looks scummy as town but singer wasn't giving me townfeels.

Tere · Post Post #1540 (isolation #47) » Fri Jun 05, 2015 6:25 am

V/LA till Monday morning.

Tere · Post Post #1551 (isolation #48) » Sat Jun 06, 2015 3:01 am

I am no set up guru but I am following what Cho is saying here I think, and I think it makes sense.

Tere · Post Post #1584 (isolation #49) » Mon Jun 08, 2015 3:46 am

I'm not listening to any tunnelling or any attempts to 1 v 1 the cho / mollie slots today.

You guys should come vote Plumscum with me, or give a proper reason why you won't.

Tere · Post Post #1585 (isolation #50) » Mon Jun 08, 2015 3:47 am

↑ Hydrangea wrote:@cho, I am curious as to why you think yukari claiming unprompted makes your alignment so obvious? You keep pushing this comftown angle, but there is nothing conftown about your slot imo. Yukari's unprompted claim was so unnecessary at that stage and I am still struggling to understand their motivation.

Oh hi, do you have anything else apart from that, like reads and reasons and anything, rather than lurking around being useless?

Tere · Post Post #1586 (isolation #51) » Mon Jun 08, 2015 3:49 am

↑ Frogging Mollie wrote:
↑ Cho wrote:
I don't see why on Day 2 we need to lynch the vig ASAP. Even if you think I'm scum (which claiming vig of all fakeclaims out of nowhere D1 would be dumb af to do, no matter how low of an opinion you have of Yukari).

If we think you are scum, we should lynch you.

And yes, it's a dumb fakeclaim, but Yukari has made a ton of newb mistakes. And if town? Then it was dumb af to realclaim vig there too:
- Under no pressure
- claim a town PR and out yourself
- state who you were going to shoot upon a Metal lynch (us, a claimed VT)
- then claim you were roleblocked (why would scum RB a vig shooting another townie?)

Does not compute.

Either way it was dumb af, but probably even more dumb as town because if Chokari (ooh, I like that name) really is town (they aren't), then a townsperson dies today for sure.

(frog...still catching up)

Frogger, you are forgetting he was deliberately trying to throw his game to get killed early to get back to Matrix 6 because newbie arrrrgh. The vigclaim was crumbed right from the word go, you just need to translate out of newbie.

Tere · Post Post #1587 (isolation #52) » Mon Jun 08, 2015 3:50 am

↑ Bellaphant wrote:
ZZZX wrote:
reading back now but can you mention it again? I am pretty sure I cant remeber you saying anything true/making sense about it.

Look, I assume you are taking a pot shot, 'coz you just quoted why I'm scum-reading you. I get what you are saying about 'it's not non content', but there's not a huge amount to town-read there. If you ARE town, then please stop stuff like this and try to engage with people, so we can rule you out of the scum-pool: Tere called you lynchbait. Boo wants you to be more 'helpful'. You had a wagon on you that can't really be all scum, so maybe accept, if you are town, that you need to make this clearer.

Tere wrote:Z, if you are town what is the best way to engage you because I'd like for that to happen rather than for you to be lynchbait?

In the meantime:

VOTE: Plum

because I am still not feeling anything in her ISO is coming from a genuine town standpoint.

People who are townreading her, I'd love to know why, because I am not sharing that viewpoint at all.

I will tell you who else was starting to WTF at her yesterday though - the dead townie....

*snipped wni's quote*

Ms had a pretty consistent scum-reading of her too.

Ugh, Tere, please be town, 'coz this is a much better version of what I've been trying to say, and I'd love to know the answer to your question.

Hi Bella!

This is a reach out! Can we talk? Where is your head at re the gamestate right now?

Tere · Post Post #1590 (isolation #53) » Mon Jun 08, 2015 3:59 am

Anything is possible, because newbie. The whole ISO reeked newblogic. Still have a townread on the slot, not voting there.

Tere · Post Post #1592 (isolation #54) » Mon Jun 08, 2015 4:21 am

See, I think Yukari is straightforward too. I don't think there was any crafty as town in that ISO. It reeked pissed off town trying to deal with a special role with additional responsibility to me. They were reading ISOs, they were trying to sort, plus they were trying to be an obvtarget to go back to matrix 6. I can't see that behaviour as coming from a SK either.

You should come and vote obv groupscum and quit this vanity 1 to 1 thing you want to have. I won't be playing for sure.

Tere · Post Post #1593 (isolation #55) » Mon Jun 08, 2015 4:24 am

Plus your whole argument is that this slot isn't the vig, why do we have to sort this groupscum slot in preference to any other? It just makes no sense apart from Mollie doesn't want to play any more. And if that's how she feels she should either let you handle it solo or you guys should replace out, because this is all game detrimental at the moment and I am confident scum are sitting around toasting marshmallows again.

Do a thought experiment with me, Frogger - who apart from Cho is scum here? There's at least two and possibly 3 more out there (if there is a SK but I follow Cho's logic on why there wouldn't be). Who are they?

Tere · Post Post #1594 (isolation #56) » Mon Jun 08, 2015 4:32 am

Current head:

Not lynching ever:

Tere
Ika
Grib
Frogging Mollie (but please stop being a PITA <3)

Not lynching today:

ZZthing
Cho
Bella - I have just seen a really towny reach out from her that I can't discuss because reasons. I want time to sort her.

Bookitty - she was looking good around Day end, hasn't felt as good today somehow. I need to reread, in the meantime she's being voted by my main scumread so she's above the line for now since that looks like a lazyvote by Plum
Dragon - I need to think hard about this slot - I had bad feels about it before the weekend but on catch up it felt more like genuine town trying to figure stuff out. Close to line though.

________________________________________________ level of acceptable towniness

Hydrangea - this is my only compromise vote as I think it's also groupscum

Plumscum.

Tere · Post Post #1597 (isolation #57) » Mon Jun 08, 2015 4:43 am

↑ Frogging Mollie wrote:BTW, Mollie and I are super solid on Grib being very town.

Good, because I can't explain why because reasons but Grib's reach out at 1288 was one of the towniest things I have ever seen in a mafia game and if he faked that as scum GG, quite frankly.

Tere · Post Post #1598 (isolation #58) » Mon Jun 08, 2015 4:44 am

You should still come vote Plum with me though!

Tere · Post Post #1600 (isolation #59) » Mon Jun 08, 2015 4:47 am

FWIW I read the replace itself of singer as neutral - I don't even know if the replace was due to Metal's list mod shenannies Day 1, but I could see her feeling that put her in a difficult place regardless of alignment.

PSA @ Metal: Don't do that shit as town, it's really fucking annoying and reading through I was scumreading your slot based on that alone as well. Bad Metal, no biscuit.

Tere · Post Post #1602 (isolation #60) » Mon Jun 08, 2015 5:08 am

Eh, if you ISO her she's obvscum as far as I'm concerned. Try to map out her reads and her rationale for them. It's just a whole load of marshmallow just going with the flow, no conviction about anything really. Votes based on others cases, skating by.

Tere · Post Post #1603 (isolation #61) » Mon Jun 08, 2015 6:10 am

↑ Tere wrote:
↑ Cho wrote:I'm town, Yukari was town, Mollie is town, ika is town, Plum leans town, will ISO ZZZX and get some other pressing stuff on the table in an hour or so.

Why is Plum a town lean for you, Cho?

Bumping so it's not lost, because I'd still like an answer to this.

Tere · Post Post #1604 (isolation #62) » Mon Jun 08, 2015 6:11 am

↑ Tere wrote:
↑ Tere wrote:
↑ Cho wrote:I'm town, Yukari was town, Mollie is town, ika is town, Plum leans town, will ISO ZZZX and get some other pressing stuff on the table in an hour or so.

Why is Plum a town lean for you, Cho?

Bumping so it's not lost, because I'd still like an answer to this.

Hydrangea, Boo and Dragon can answer this too, while I am at it.

Tere · Post Post #1607 (isolation #63) » Mon Jun 08, 2015 6:46 am

once upon a time I used to make real cases against scum. I stopped, because it gave scum tons of ammunition and people went "cases are scummy" and flaked out.

I find your reaction to my very deliberate blandness of my case all the information I require, really. It's a very good scum detector for me.

But carry on wriggling.

Tere · Post Post #1608 (isolation #64) » Mon Jun 08, 2015 6:47 am

↑ dragonspawn wrote:I'm not sure why a Mollie v Cho showdown is necessarily a bad idea. I'm feeling rather confident that one of them is scum

As for plum. As I said I was town reading him from what I saw day one. But it slipped into null with the zzzx vote.

I could easily see him as scum. But I find the yukari slot much more suspect. I. Not entirely sure why leaving both alive will resolve anything either way. I can be persuaded but I'm just not seeing it now.

I could get on board with a boo lynch but I'm not sure why I should ignore the bigger scum read at the moment.

Why is Cho suspect?

Why is it sufficient that you feel it's more important than the risk of lynching claimed vig?

Tere · Post Post #1609 (isolation #65) » Mon Jun 08, 2015 6:48 am

Non game related info here:

Spoiler: shamelessly pimping my GTKAS across all games

Tere · Post Post #1611 (isolation #66) » Mon Jun 08, 2015 6:53 am

wah wah wah ATE conf bias - are you going for scumword bingo or something?

Tere · Post Post #1613 (isolation #67) » Mon Jun 08, 2015 6:59 am

Vote isn't shifting. Maybe I am holding you to a higher standard because mollie went OMG Plum I worship at your feet and Boo went OMG Plum <3 and Andrius went OMG Plum <3. I am sure you are a completely nice human being but given that positive response I was expecting you to do actual constructive townstuff and have a clue and you are doing the square root of fuck all to help the game state for town. Basically given that reception I expect you to be decent, you know?

OK, so here's the olive branch. We're at 1600 posts in, if you are really town and as good as people seem to think you are you should be able to come up with your first reads list, right, right? With rationale and logic and stuff? That's not too much to ask for, is it? Because we as sure as fuck haven't seen anything that looks anything like that yet <3

It's not helped by the only townie actively scumreading you dying, with a side order of that pushes mollie to lynch pressure and a 1 v 1 vs yukari. Yeah.

See, I think you are competent. I just don't think we are on the same side.

Tere · Post Post #1615 (isolation #68) » Mon Jun 08, 2015 7:11 am

Mollie elu already crumbed my role to ika and he saw it, I have been avoiding but I can claim if it will help?

Tere · Post Post #1617 (isolation #69) » Mon Jun 08, 2015 7:16 am

↑ Plum wrote:
↑ Andrius wrote:/confirm

Not at all pleased ZZZX is in the game but PLUM shines like a Silmaril in the darkness. <3

And like a Silmaril I shall burn the impure <3

Obligatory: am annoyed by policy lynch being brought up, even though it's not alignment-indicative - well, no, especially because it isn't. We're not going there because it is void of information. Now that's out of the way.

VOTE: Metal Sonic

Nope nope nope. The 'sheeping ika because he's ika' thing already got asked and ignored once. In combination with

↑ Metal Sonic wrote:I didn't like singer's mere confirm either. Surely she should have seen the long talk that we have already made.

also, Sheeping ika

VOTE: singer

O rly. When the 'long talk' was mostly you screwing around saying nothing? Sheeping ika twice just because but he doesn't even make it as someone worth saying 'He's a top priority read because if he's Town he'll be great to work with'? Okay.

Preview ninja edit: Yeah I feel totally comfortable with how this is going. Awesome.

Basically I have seen a fuckton of nothing of "like a Silmaril I shall burn the impure" to your buddy who replaced out (who then became a scumread, possibly, maybe, because who the hell knows what your reads are).

Plum, if you are this experienced, why haven't you separated the 1 v 1s? Where is your scumhunting? What gives?

Tere · Post Post #1618 (isolation #70) » Mon Jun 08, 2015 7:29 am

↑ Bellaphant wrote:@zzx, where's your head at with regards to scum on your wagon, especially if I am not it? I don't know why you want a one v one with me: I've said your survivalist vibe is odd, but that's not something that needs picking apart.

@Tere, hi. You replaced elu, who, like Grib said, was obv!town, and I've really liked your play so far. Grib is also most probably town.

In terms of the game, I'm struggling a little: there was a lot of drama day 1/2, and I'm finding some of FroggingMollie's convictions, such as 'lynch either her/Cho and somehow balance will be returned to the force' as setting up some false dichotomies. Unfortunately for sorting purposes, this kind of black/white view seems to be at least Mollie's meta elsewhere, so it's not a reason to scum-read the slot.

Cho's insistence on a mafia bp makes sense, but a RB and a BP seems over strong: what are your thoughts here? However, Yukari's posting did seem to go against win-con, and they clearly wanted out of the game: anyone who uses their newb!queue desperation as a scum tell is scummy as fuck. (Also, I think you mentioned they were playing one now: oog, checking that made me really happy).

In terms of reads, I'm still not 100% convinced letters isn't scum, but some of this may be based off of frustration with his posting style, but his posting was similar in a just completed game of ours and he was town. So he's not a town-read, maybe null.

Boo and dragon aren't really making me town-read them, there doesn't seem to be a huge connection to the game. Boo's been pretty flexible with her thoughts, which is a plus, but I'd also like something concrete from them. @boo, readslist?

Plum is a scum-read. It's mostly gut, sure, but she's kind of got the boo problem of being really flexible/not committing to a hard read (see the pot shots on me that weren't really backed up by anything) without the occasional flashes of towniness I'm getting from boo.

Hydra is a blank for me, right now. I'd like to see more content.

That leaves ika: can you talk to me about your read on him, tere?

Hope that helps, please follow anything up with me!

p-edit, lots happened while typing, will follow up in a bit.

Great, that's really helpful!

FWIW, what I think Cho is arguing is that having a possibility of a BP (rather than they are definitely in the setup) means a SK is very unlikely (the BP role was a random pick from a pool after some roles were already set up, does that make sense?), and that their role didn't kill N1 suggests they are not a strongman (which is fair, since Yukari was pretty damn clear he was vigging Mollie) - a strongarm is a role that ignores blocks and protects and so on, very simply.

Have another look at Cho's argument - I am pretty sure she is saying that.

@ika: I am having a facepalm because the ika read I thought was in this game, er isn't, when I read my ISO, it's elsewhere. Thanks for picking that up.

OK, so.

Basically I can read ika really strongly - call it a soul read if you will.

Scum ika hates being scum and is a lurky disengaged fucksack. I've seen it several times off site. The best quick meta here is either Drawn on Arrival or Uncouth Mafia (Uncouth is the quickest, it's a PR game and his PR was something about blue or the sea or something, but the tone is clear).

Town ika needs energy and to bounce off people and gets most of his reads by doing that. He need energy and oxygen. If you need to sort ika more, poke him with lots of questions! Get a conversation going! He thrives on that and I am sure would appreciate an opportunity to sort you too - in fact if you can engage with him it would be great, because ika usually synchs with mollie and me and mollie is having a moment and he knows I am town reading him so a person to poke him with sticks would be really good.

(I think zzthing works in a similar way too, although I don't know him as well - certainly his poking back to you I see as positive. Try and actively sort both those guys - it will help you sort them and help me read you).

Mollie is town but I appreciate not in a great headspace to read. I'd love your input with Boo and Dragon, you see where they are on my readslist. I'd love it if you hard read Hydra. I agree with you re Plum, clearly.

Starter for 10?

Tere · Post Post #1621 (isolation #71) » Mon Jun 08, 2015 7:54 am

@Bella I wasn't sure on you initially because you were being very quiet so you were in the pile of scumlords I need to sort. But I saw the reach out and that gave me town vibes. The game state hasn't been great with all the 1 v 1s etc. You feel town right now, I will carry on poking you but my gut read following the reach out is town. I can't talk about why but I know you know why.

The way I see what happened.

Scenario 1: Cho / Yukari got roleblocked

Scenario 2: There is the opportunity of a limited shot doc. They had a townread on mollie so protected her.

Scenario 3: Mollie is the BP scum from the set up pool.

I am discounting scenario 3 because I have a very strong townread on Mollie. Mollie hates scum and she will try because she is a team player but I find it almost impossible to think she would aggro tunnel on MS as scum, particularly not with pie backing them up. I can't see a world where scum Mollie did this. She's not that aggro. I think elu posted a game where she did tunnel on someone but it was later game and not necessarily a popular player, not straight out the gate on a player who will tunnel on people on his wagon. I just can't buy her Day 1 activity as scum. That plus lots of other tells (I've played mafia with mollie on and off for 5 years) make me think if she is scum GG. I just don't buy it.

I don't want to spec on scenario 2 that much but it's one of the other. I am not the doc but if I were in the end of Day scenario I would have protected the mollie slot, so I don't think it's out of the question that someone did that. But I don't want anyone to out over that so whatever really.

There's also the scum roleblock possibility which could also be true. Yukari posted all his messages received in the thread I think, with no explicit block message. But MS standard I think is that people don't receive block messages so a block is possible.

Tere · Post Post #1622 (isolation #72) » Mon Jun 08, 2015 7:58 am

Boo, if that's me. sorry. Everyone has been calling hydrangea hydra so it might be that. which post are you talking about?

Can you talk to me more about your Cho read? Everything there looks OK and a little lost town but I'd love it if you could push a little bit more. I need some old timer reads on Plum if I can get them <3

Tere · Post Post #1625 (isolation #73) » Mon Jun 08, 2015 8:07 am

↑ Bookitty wrote:
↑ Tere wrote:Can you talk to me more about your Cho read?

I <3 Marquis a lot. If this is actually Marquis I would think that I would get at least acknowledgement that I was in the game. That hasn't happened; the tone has been off from what I expect and the degree of irritation (especially given Yukari's play) seems overblown.

I haven't ever played with Plum before, so I can't be more help there.

You didn't, did you! (at least not on a skim!) I guess I was extrapolating from mollie <3 and her saying you guys were old school in my head, my bad. xx

I still need to reread you though! <3

Tere · Post Post #1626 (isolation #74) » Mon Jun 08, 2015 8:09 am

↑ Frogging Mollie wrote:
↑ Tere wrote:Mollie elu already crumbed my role to ika and he saw it, I have been avoiding but I can claim if it will help?

you do what you think is best.

my concern is you are the 1 who is speaking out the most against resolving chokari/us, my question to you is how do you think entering d3 with both of us alive and you possibly dead will look like if plum flips town?

I am not sold on plum town or scum. I am not going to lie, she is giving me the same vibes that ap gave when he was caught scum on d2 but it is based solely on her reads and votes and I need more info from her as opposed to ap who was caught out by an op indie and just gave up in lost rooms. plum's play reminds me of a discussion another player and I had a while ago; what do you do as scum when the argument some1 is presenting is actually legit? cos she isn't exactly shouting down your points in a way that makes me think town. she is handwaving them away and saying, "well, you are going to think this no matter what i say" when I really want to hear what she has to say about her reads and votes.

when I joined this site I was very much a "head before the ass person" however that didn't seem to work out in this particular format, cos scum wld nk the town leaders first and then the game wld be left with the players who mostly did not know what they were doing and then win. I shifted to what dgb taught me which was to take out the weak link in a chain and let the rest of the scum team tumble. and it took me a while to really appreciate this approach but i will be damn it worked better than what I was doing at the time.

what gives me pause tho about rallying around your scum!plum is that i don't know her approach and I am not getting much from her responses...all game. what makes me think "hell yeah, scum!plum for victory" is that most of what she says seems to fit the narrative and gamestate at the time that she gives it and I am missing the organic progression of how she is mapping out the game. it looks a bit contrived but I am not sold and I wonder who her partners are and what her endgame looked like when she made the choices that she made.

Mollie, you know me well. How clear do I have to be on a read before I go for a strong scum read?

Genuine question.

Tere · Post Post #1629 (isolation #75) » Mon Jun 08, 2015 8:12 am

↑ dragonspawn wrote:
↑ Tere wrote:
↑ dragonspawn wrote:I'm not sure why a Mollie v Cho showdown is necessarily a bad idea. I'm feeling rather confident that one of them is scum

As for plum. As I said I was town reading him from what I saw day one. But it slipped into null with the zzzx vote.

I could easily see him as scum. But I find the yukari slot much more suspect. I. Not entirely sure why leaving both alive will resolve anything either way. I can be persuaded but I'm just not seeing it now.

I could get on board with a boo lynch but I'm not sure why I should ignore the bigger scum read at the moment.

Why is Cho suspect?

Why is it sufficient that you feel it's more important than the risk of lynching claimed vig?

Because yukari was acting scummy as heck till cho took over.

If i found the vig claim at all believable I'd really be willing to give cho the benefit of the doubt. But the fact that yukari was trying to make excuses for why the vig was going to fail before day 1 was even over makes me seriously doubt the claim. Not to mention that I've been strongly town reading Mollie and the excuses for why a vig kill failed all point to setting up Mollie for a lynch makes me seriously question the veracity of the claim.

It seems to me that one of them is scummy. I find that more likely to be cho due to yukari.

Also some of you have said I haven't been as engaged this game. That's correct. Been disengaged from a lot of games due to rl and this game just hasn't seemed as interesting to me. I'm still doing what i can and plan to continue doing it.

Well you are weirding me out because my read on yukari sans Cho was completely different. Will you do me a solid and have a look at the read in my ISO (if you can't find it shout, I'll dig the post number out) and see what you think?

Cho's a canny rabbit but I got townvibes from the newb once I'd translated out of newb. I'd at least like you to look at that, even if you disagree.

Tere · Post Post #1630 (isolation #76) » Mon Jun 08, 2015 8:13 am

↑ Bookitty wrote:Hey, I'm totally old school! I believe in LAL and everything!

I just never played with Miss Plum before.

<3

See this is why you guys are also weirding me out, maybe she is some MS superstar from ages past and you are psyched to be playing her but she can still roll scum!!!11111!!!!

Fnargle.

Tere · Post Post #1631 (isolation #77) » Mon Jun 08, 2015 8:13 am

I missed a with. That sounds naughty.

/tipsyTere

Tere · Post Post #1634 (isolation #78) » Mon Jun 08, 2015 8:33 am

God can you people not lynch obvscum I rarely do this Jesus fuck.

Tere · Post Post #1635 (isolation #79) » Mon Jun 08, 2015 8:34 am

If you end up strongarming Cho through and I get nightkilled I am going to fucking rage in post game good lord

Tere · Post Post #1637 (isolation #80) » Mon Jun 08, 2015 9:01 am

Well at least we have a line. We are not lynching Bella today. Given time I can sort her.

Tere · Post Post #1638 (isolation #81) » Mon Jun 08, 2015 9:03 am

I don't necessarily need it packaged in a bowtie, Plum. But You need some reads at least I think. And I genuinely haven't been feeling that.

I don't really feel that one either, if I'm honest. But at least we sort of have a baseline you can't wiggle out of?

Tere · Post Post #1645 (isolation #82) » Mon Jun 08, 2015 9:38 am

↑ Frogging Mollie wrote:
↑ Tere wrote:
↑ Bookitty wrote:Hey, I'm totally old school! I believe in LAL and everything!

I just never played with Miss Plum before.

<3

See this is why you guys are also weirding me out, maybe she is some MS superstar from ages past and you are psyched to be playing her but she can still roll scum!!!11111!!!!

Fnargle.

I am going to start calling you yukarielusive2 unless you stop this bullshit that anybody in this game is catering to other players due to STATUS. <---- THIS IS WHAT IS DRIVING THE GAME TO APATHY.

I am trying to take in site meta in the face of a stark lack of info. I am asking plum to explain her reads and votes and providing a space for her to do this by not giving her an out i.e. she is being held accountable for her reads and votes which will give her little wriggle room later in the game if she does not get lynched today.

you keep nixing this. plz stahp that. cos I am trying to help you by engaging her in a way where her motivations may possibly be made clearer.

froggy and I want her accountable for the chokari read.

froggy also made a really good point about yukari in that his claim looks like panicked scum. we already know that most likely scum did not have day talk which moves his d1 gameplay especially with his play around his claim in the realm of wandering around as lost newbscum
cos omfuckingg just look at it
. he softed an investigative role and did not argue when that claim was assigned to him. until he thought he might be lynched with 2 votes.

there are huge pieces that you are missing but in order for us to work together I need you to at least meet me halfway.

I'll stop pushing that agenda when you stop ignoring plum because of "ancient history and I want to play with her". Because I am not feeling that yet and that's a bullshit reason to keep someone in the game. If you feel that way hang out in site chat or something where you doing have to take ongoing into account. Fair? I am not the personal boss of this game and "you keep nixing this" is misrep so stfu. I am not buying into your 1 v 1 so get scumhunting. Your waah I don't want to play lynch me plz I want a 1 to 1 with Choslot is far more apathy inducing. Get in the game or GTFO. I like you mollie but stop making this game toxic k thanks.

I would take your "huge pieces you are missing" point more seriously were you not missing 121 completely despite it being pointed out to you and had I not had other instances where you were clearly not reading.

Also STFU with the "why aren't the noobs listening to me" wail at Plum. I'm not a fucking noob and I take exception to that misrep.

Just come and play and sort. Good grief.

Tere · Post Post #1646 (isolation #83) » Mon Jun 08, 2015 9:38 am

doing have = don't have I hate you tablet. Going to bed.

Tere · Post Post #1648 (isolation #84) » Mon Jun 08, 2015 9:43 am

That was @ mollie - she was directing it at you.

Tere · Post Post #1649 (isolation #85) » Mon Jun 08, 2015 9:46 am

1580 if you care.

Sleep now nn town and scum xx

Tere · Post Post #1651 (isolation #86) » Mon Jun 08, 2015 9:50 am

ika, meet Bella! Bella meet ika, you guys should talk!

(have a look at the game state and clong mollie over the head a bit, I need to go bed real soon xx

Tere · Mon Jun 08, 2015 10:03 am

Waaaaaaaaaah.

Tere · Mon Jun 08, 2015 10:07 am

I've been banging on about it and you have the lamest reasons ever. If I didn't know you were town I would lynch you to oblivion, so play, get out of the way of Frogger, or replace out. Out of patience here. Tired of your pity party, it's almost sh levels of bad. Bed now. Sort yourself out.

I will not be lynching cho. Find a better target.

Pedit, yeah, that's helpful.

Tere · Mon Jun 08, 2015 11:54 pm

Bunch of bloody scumlords if you ask me!

I am not voting Cho today, period.

Plum's style is very dense. I have just had a good reread of her wall of reads and am wondering if there is stylistic conflict there.

I don't want to vote Bella today - I think we can sort her.

I should reread Bookitty again I guess. Sigh.

I would be up for a wagon on Hydrangea. I guess that would sort of help sort Plum because she's been consistently on Hydrangea's case since start of game.

What do you think?

Tere · Mon Jun 08, 2015 11:55 pm

Plum do you think you could have a lot at Singer before she replaced out please? I'd be interested to know your thoughts.

Tere · Post Post #1683 (isolation #91) » Tue Jun 09, 2015 9:43 am

I can't remember if I said, but, Bella, Uncouth Mafia and Drawn on Arrival are examples of ika's actual scum game. He's far less connected there. I'm confident he's town.

Tere · Tue Jun 09, 2015 10:56 am

Sigh. I don't know if its a style thing but honestly Plum's stuff seems so carefully crafted / considered to me I am not in a happy place. I think my vote has to stay there.

I kinda want to add :/ to that because it could be a style thing and she is engaging a bit more now.

Bunch of bloody scumlords.

I will be outdoing social stuff with my Mum tomorrow but hydrangea is the compromise lynch if we must. But the scripted tone of Plum is still giving me heebie jeebies. And the non notified l-2 on z was aurrrrgh. I need to remember that.

Tere · Tue Jun 09, 2015 11:51 am

@frogger I am not doing a 1 v 1 you and Cho today.

I can back a 1 v 1 with plum / boo. I am still screading Plum in case it is not obvious. The "frustration" reads fake, it all feels a bit planned.

Tere · Tue Jun 09, 2015 11:57 am

I genuinely don't feel I have been that shitty to Mollie BTW. The pity party, the attempts to force a 1 v 1, the patronising crap (surely you are aware that Mollie can be patronising as fuck because I do genuinely like her and I sure as fuck am), the repeated requests to lynch her, none of that was town productive. i asked nicely for her to back off and give you space the first time, but bluntly I want the person in my obvtown slot to be playing to wincon and I am not going to apologise for that.

Tere · Tue Jun 09, 2015 12:05 pm

↑ Fro99er wrote:
↑ Tere wrote:@frogger I am not doing a 1 v 1 you and Cho today.

I get that, and that's fine. I'm just trying to make a point not to settle for a compromise lynch.

I can back a 1 v 1 with plum / boo. I am still screading Plum in case it is not obvious. The "frustration" reads fake, it all feels a bit planned.

What happened to obvscum though? You sound like you're starting to doubt yourself a little on Plum.

I am, a little. Have a good look at her wall of reads. Her style is incredibly dense but I read through that a few times this morning. Its the only think giving my pause. On the other hand I think her frustration post looked incredibly scripted.

I will not lynch you grib or ika today. I will strongly argue against Cho and Bella today. I had another look at zz and he is still probtowb but he will be useless at lylo I imagine.

Plum is still my best bet. I don't like hydrangea though which is giving me pause plus boo is sliding down my townfeels. Dragon is still a scumlord.

Ugh, I could throw a dice in that seven almost :/

Tere · Post Post #1706 (isolation #96) » Tue Jun 09, 2015 6:52 pm

↑ Cho wrote:ZZZX, Frogger, ika are all on my never-lynch list. Tere is maybe-never-lynch.

I want a Grib read but my head isn't easily coming to a conclusion on that one.

I don't think I'll be able to read Plum, most likely due to differences in mafia generation/thought process, but I might give it a go on a less busy day.

Cho, can you explain why Z is on your never lynch list?

Tere · Post Post #1707 (isolation #97) » Tue Jun 09, 2015 6:56 pm

I am reconsidering Plum because I feel I have an awful lot more to go on now in where her head is at. I also didn't like Boo's 1226.

I am OK with sorting between them.

VOTE: unvote for the moment.

Tere · Wed Jun 10, 2015 11:26 am

I need to go re iso but I am heading in that direction. More critical thought tomorrow, I had an amazing day out bonding with my Mum and I don't want to harsh that mellow right now!

Tere · Wed Jun 10, 2015 11:26 am

↑ ika wrote:
↑ Bellaphant wrote:

1) talk to me about boo, please?
2) who would you lynch today?
3) This kind of links to the RB/BP thing: a strong scum team like that, I'd expect a bunch of PRs. Some peeps were soft-claiming everywhere day1, iirc, but I'm not sure.
4) k, why? Share your thoughts on this?
5) Cool, I'm town, and I'm happy with my play this day phase.
6) I literally just made a reads list. Feel free to comment on it. Frogger is town, and I'm happy town-read chokari, based on yukari's newb-flailing
7) I'm serious. tere says you are engaged as town + im not feelin it

1) ehh nvm, her last post makes me disregard my town read
2) cho/plume/dragon
3) thats what setup sepc is about, but on the otherside it can lead to inadver softclaims
4) sharing potential people and what their claims are, are not advised... I havent been following that hard to see peoples claims but with the current pool of claims and what i have gathered i rather not give ideas to scum on who to nk.
5) k
6) i neeed to iso then.
7) ya cus im disengaged atm and have a lot of shit. espcialy after how day 1 went i really lack a motivation that normally shows. im kinda in that state of not caring about showing my town play and just bleh

please keep talking to each other <3

Tere · Wed Jun 10, 2015 11:28 am

Pfft. I'm a pussycat.

Now where is Ank's shifty eyed smilie!

Tere · Wed Jun 10, 2015 11:34 am

↑ Ankamius wrote:

<3

Tere · Thu Jun 11, 2015 4:32 am

↑ Plum wrote:Hydrangea, talk about Bookitty?

I'd like that as well please.

I'm lacking in words for some reason at the moment but I've given both Plum and Boo a good hard ISO (ooh err) and based on that I'm signalling

Intent to Vote Bookitty

I'm signalling intent because IIRC we are at L-2 and there's Ika in the game. And I'd like Hydrangea to answer Plum's question, for starters.

Tere · Thu Jun 11, 2015 8:37 am

Do we give Hydrangea a day to answer?

I will want to lay my vote down 20 hours from now at the maximum.

I kinda don't think she is going to answer so I am tempted to vote. Thoughts?

Tere · Thu Jun 11, 2015 8:39 am

I mean, I'm impatient too, but not answering the question is basically a scumclaim, right?

Tere · Thu Jun 11, 2015 8:45 am

Did you also note she magically moved to the scum pile in Boo's timely reads list from basically nowhere? I just think that looks at an attempt to give her some towncred TBH.

Tere · Fri Jun 12, 2015 4:37 am

OK, going to need to head into V/LA in a couple of hours so I think I have waited as long as I can for Hydrangea.

VOTE: Bookitty

All yours, ika.

Tere · Fri Jun 12, 2015 6:10 am

V/LA for weekend.

Tere · Sun Jun 14, 2015 7:56 pm

Yeah, intent to vote Hydrangea here too.

I believe Bella is town btw, her interactions with ika yesterday were really good. Final scum in Z and dragon I think.

Tere · Sun Jun 14, 2015 11:11 pm

From a quick skim of Boo's ISO I am pretty confident she and Yukari / Cho aren't scum together. Mostly she townreads Mollie over and over, with a side order of Plum being town. She townreads Z a little bit before moving to push him almost as a policy lynch before LYLO later. Hydragea is townish at 1430. Neutralish read on Bella at 1480.

The fun and fabulous reads list at 1620 has dragon strong town for no real reason (she didn't really state a strong townread for singer before), Bella and Z in the meh would lynch slot, and Hydrangea in the scum slot with what looks a hell of a lot like "FFS scumbuddy, do something towny!"

From that I think dragon and Hydrangea come out the worst. We know our play today anyway.

Tere · Sun Jun 14, 2015 11:13 pm

Present for everyone else who wants, since I had to go look it up: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Voyeur

Off to see if I can find any Plum crumbs.

Tere · Sun Jun 14, 2015 11:22 pm

OK, based on 1196 and 1339 I think Plum's voyeur target was Frogging Mollie. She's very adamant that Cho / Yukari was either roleblocked or is scum in those two posts.

Tere · Mon Jun 15, 2015 3:42 am

Yeah, rereading Bella's ISO I am pretty confident she is town. Don't want to sort her today or have her vigged tonight. Would sort dragon and Z before Bella. She's been wary of Boo since Day 1, too.

Tere · Mon Jun 15, 2015 4:29 am

My town read of Bella is much stronger than my town read of Z. Can't elaborate more at present, sorry!

Tere · Mon Jun 15, 2015 6:06 am

I'm working on it. I can't discuss it because reasons.

I am satisfied she is town ATM.

Tere · Mon Jun 15, 2015 6:07 am

↑ Bellaphant wrote:Tere and Ika aren't confirmed anything, though, are they?

If you don't have a town read on me for the same reasons I am going to give you a very hard stare.

But Hydra is the play for today. Let's worry about this tomorrow.

Tere · Mon Jun 15, 2015 6:11 am

My vote is on dragon for the vig shot tonight, particularly after all the mist spreading today. I didn't get townfeels from singer either.

Tere · Mon Jun 15, 2015 8:41 am

elu already crumbed, so I am happy to if everyone else wants. I don't have a strong view either way.

Tere · Mon Jun 15, 2015 8:41 am

↑ ika wrote:my flavor was already outed by ms iirc otherwise i need to go back and find it

I have you down as Nir in my notes

Tere · Mon Jun 15, 2015 8:50 am

Right now we have a vig, tracker and voyeur, and three neighbours out. Plus rolebloc and rolecop on the mafia side.

I suspect that would be all the town power roles, so claiming isn't going to out anything horrendous?

I don't mind but I suspect we could all say VT and our role and good job, really? But I'm game if that's consensus

Tere · Mon Jun 15, 2015 8:57 am

↑ Bellaphant wrote:^ is what's worrying me, 'cos I think at least one person has to be lying.

Honestly I think you are overthinking. A preset neighbourhood I think is less powerful than a friendly neighbour. I think all those roles could be town. Ika can tell me off if I'm wrong

Tere · Mon Jun 15, 2015 9:07 am

↑ ZZZX wrote:and it seems im being voted for pushing one of my biggest suspects then moving into another one. lovely

Er, nobody is voting you as far as I can see, so this looks like complete defensive bullshit!

Tere · Mon Jun 15, 2015 9:10 am

Z, I think you should actually read the goddamn thread.

Tere · Mon Jun 15, 2015 9:12 am

So read the goddamn thread and THEN come talk to us. FFS.

Tere · Mon Jun 15, 2015 9:29 am

I'm happy enough to take all the roles at face value ATM.

If I'm honest I'm not really sure I want to wait for Hydrangea, given she just ignored the questions to her at round end, we could end up chasing our tails like this for most of the week.

Tere · Mon Jun 15, 2015 9:29 am

Don't mind giving people more time to sort others though.

Tere · Mon Jun 15, 2015 9:49 am

Yeah, I think the flashwagon was just one of those things.

Tere · Mon Jun 15, 2015 10:08 am

I am not up for lynching Bella tomorrow.

Pedit Cho, why am I that far down your reads list?

Tere · Mon Jun 15, 2015 10:12 am

Personally as I have already said, I think Plum viewed frogging Mollie not you. Can you point to the posts that make you think she viewed you please, Cho?

Tere · Mon Jun 15, 2015 10:20 am

I found the exact same posts and IMO that was Plum crumbing Mollie was not bulletproof, rather than saying you were definitely blocked Cho.

Tere · Mon Jun 15, 2015 10:26 am

↑ Fro99er wrote:Jesus christ people stop begging to to not be vigged or that low on the reads list.

I am not fucking begging not to be vigged. I just want to know the rationale. Last time I checked Cho was town reading me, so I want to know what changed. It's probably POE since Cho seems to consider Z untouchable, but I want to check that.

P:edit. Eh, you may be right. I will think about it more in the morning.

Pedit pedit good lord you people. Type less!

Tere · Mon Jun 15, 2015 10:36 am

I feel the same way. Ika, you want it?

Pedit yeah good point, we should at least let Z catch up.

Tere · Mon Jun 15, 2015 10:40 am

Put the wine down hun, that slot is town. Do you think mollie would go out of the gate on a metal 1v1 as scum, apart from anything else? (@ Cho)

Tere · Mon Jun 15, 2015 10:47 am

Awww.

Happy birthday Ank! May your eyes always be shifty <3

Tere · Mon Jun 15, 2015 10:50 am

↑ Cho wrote:Yes, I would. Hating scum goes in line with a willingness to risk death as scum, especially for her - she talked about it in some other game but it was something about how as scum she often uses bravado and stuff like that to win because otherwise her apathy for scum shows through.

The more I talk about this, the more worried I get. Let's just shut up and let ZZZX post then hammer.

But Metal with all the Metal noise?

Stop freaking out, you are weirding me out now. That slot is obvtown to me.

P:edit ika is also town you doofus.

Tere · Mon Jun 15, 2015 10:52 am

Hands up who would like Cho to vig dragonspawn? *raises hand*

Tere · Mon Jun 15, 2015 10:54 am

Yeah, z can catch up tomorrow.

VOTE: Hydrangea

There we go.

Tere · Mon Jun 15, 2015 10:55 am

↑ ika wrote:ok i really didnt want to do this......

CHO SHUT THE FUCK UP AND STOP POSTING YOUR BRING STIPUDLY OVERLY PARNOID ABOUT THE FUCKIGN GAMESTATE JUST FUCKIGN VIG DRAGON AND IF THE DAMNED GAME ISNT OVER WE CAN DO IT FORM THERE

pedit: VOTE: hydra

we are moving fucking on i dont give shit if thats ahmmer. if it isnt someon eelse fuckign hamemr already

This.

Tere · Mon Jun 15, 2015 11:09 am

↑ Cho wrote:
↑ dragonspawn wrote:Let cho nk who he want a if he really is a vig

^This. I'm going to fucking vig who I want, thank you very much. Fuck your reads fuck your yelling.

NO I WILL RAGE IN ALL CAPS ALL I WANT AND THAT WAS TYPED ON AN IPAD SO THAT WAS EFFORT DAMMIT BECAUSE I CANNOT FIND THE CAPS LOCK 11111!!!!!!!1111

Tere · Mon Jun 15, 2015 11:10 am

But also yeah. Take a chill pill, re ISO, and do as you wish. Weirdo

Tere · Mon Jun 15, 2015 11:13 am

↑ ika wrote:
↑ Tere wrote:
↑ Cho wrote:
↑ dragonspawn wrote:Let cho nk who he want a if he really is a vig

^This. I'm going to fucking vig who I want, thank you very much. Fuck your reads fuck your yelling.

NO I WILL RAGE IN ALL CAPS ALL I WANT AND THAT WAS TYPED ON AN IPAD SO THAT WAS EFFORT DAMMIT BECAUSE I CANNOT FIND THE CAPS LOCK 11111!!!!!!!1111

tere, one warning:

If that is to try to lightent the mood or make light hearted humor about me its not working at fuckign all and is going to have quite the opposite affect on me

Dude, chill, that was self mockery.

Tere · Mon Jun 15, 2015 11:17 am

↑ Fro99er wrote:(coming from a USA perspective...derp)

Heh, my grandmother used to sing this when cooking, along with a smattering of wartime stuff and the Sheik of Arabique...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wx1D2asFSig

Tere · Mon Jun 15, 2015 11:18 am

↑ ika wrote:
↑ Tere wrote:
Dude, chill, that was self mockery.

you realize though FMPOV it doesnt look like that since i was the one who cap rage?

but *shrugs* im all raged out and just irritated that i had to go t that again

*hugs* is it too early for a nice soothing beer?

Tere · Wed Jun 17, 2015 6:43 pm

Thanks for the game Ank. Loved the flavour!

Tere · Thu Jun 18, 2015 8:04 am

It's all good, Yukari. Are you happier having gone back to Matrix 6?