Mini 2167: Illicit Substances Mafia (Game Over!)

[PlusJOYED]

who the hell starts a mafia game at 2am, damn aussies.

Also this is my first game with a hydra, how does someone being piloted by 2 people affect reading them?

[PlusJOYED]

VOTE: MariaR
For their first post being at like 4am, that's an aussietell if i've ever seen one

[PlusJOYED]

who the hell starts a mafia game at 2am, damn aussies.

Also this is my first game with a hydra, how does someone being piloted by 2 people affect reading them?

You can separate individual heads if you want or you can focus on the slot as a whole

that sounds hard

[PlusJOYED]

i love touhou so im TRing remilla until further notice

[PlusJOYED]

wait where is notscience?
Also bells posting seems pretty townie

[PlusJOYED]

I am a hyperactive town puppy.
Checks out.

And tbh, plus joyed was too in the last game I played with him too.
Very, very much so.

before was me when I was in one game. Rn im in 5 including this one. suffice to say im stretched a little thinner. I think in the future I'll only do 3 games at once.

and yes, I read the entire thread before and didn't really get anything except Bell town.

[PlusJOYED]

wait where is notscience?
Also bells posting seems pretty townie

He is a head of the secret tunnel hydra. Also, why do you find Bell townie?

Ok nevermind...
Hydras can be confusing

what was all this about earlier? or rather what conclusion did you come to in that what my slot (assuming i didn't misparse something) did could be disregarded?

-b

I thought you telling PlusJOYED that hydra reading was not rocket science was a bit off from the previous jokey tone. It seems like the jokes/fluff were mostly coming from the other head, so I don't think there was much.

he seems obvtown from posts and is a town puppy. Also he played the same as the game we were both town

[PlusJOYED]

I did meta-homework on players before the game started.

is this not-spay-head?

Indeed, Neuter-head is the one playing with Plus Joyed, who is being a minus right now.

Spayhead is off frolicking in the outfield alternating between weeping and swearing murder towards the general direction of all tunnels.

i already don't like hydras

[PlusJOYED]

156 was a fluffpost yes but i wanted to moreso be open about me being a touhou stan so i'd probably look at remilla slot with rose colored goggles; i wanted to make that publicly known. Sorry if I wasn't very clear on that

[PlusJOYED]

No pressure but I'm expecting a literal god of mafia now.

Hello! It’s a pleasure to be here.

I see some of you are well acquainted with me! I look forward to playing again.

For those of you whom I have not had the pleasure of playing with, I look forward to our tussles as well.

As Scum I am often townread for days. As Town I can truly be a nightmare for the opposing faction.

hi iv!

[PlusJOYED]

Yeah i mean it's very obvious that he's the other half of the notscience hydra. Hence why he quoted my post.

oh ok that makes sense

[PlusJOYED]

I am a hyperactive town puppy.
Checks out.

And tbh, plus joyed was too in the last game I played with him too.
Very, very much so.

before was me when I was in one game. Rn im in 5 including this one. suffice to say im stretched a little thinner. I think in the future I'll only do 3 games at once.

and yes, I read the entire thread before and didn't really get anything except Bell town.

You made four fluff posts before declaring said townread. Why not open with it, if that was your initial take of the thread?

why would I? I thought we were all just in RVS mode first 6 pages, but I think we have left that now so I fluff first

[PlusJOYED]

played the same

in what ways exactly, this early on?

towny energy shines through
you know, attempt to solve, general uncertainty, high activity, buzzwords, ect

[PlusJOYED]

I guess my answer to that, PlusJoyed, is another question.

What is the goal of RVS?

imo
a brief phase of shit/fluff posting to get all of that silliness out followed by discussion of initial impressions to get the game started

[PlusJOYED]

I don't think it's very prudent to compare a handful of pre-game posts to an entire game's worth of content

I somewhat disagree. You said yourself that bell was obvtown in my last game with you, and his posts seem pretty much the same here, though I do think the duration being less is a valid point.
peddit: that seems contradictory to 248, explain yourself please

[PlusJOYED]

I wonder.

framing this boredom as a reaction test doesn't make it any less scummy

I don't think it's fair to SR prism yet, you look like your just looking for an easy target here without explaining your process much
UNVOTE:
VOTE: bulge

[PlusJOYED]

Bulge is town

Vote on me is boring

what? Is this notsci friendship bias again?

[PlusJOYED]

You know it’s kinda hard to respond when you didn’t explain why you voted me

Only something about disagreeing with my townreads that have now grown to four!

Pedit
lolno the shakiest read of those four is muffin the other 3 I’m p confident

Pedit
Joyed you just played against scum bulge this is night and day

elaborate how this is different to me cause this looks like scumplay from bulge

[PlusJOYED]

These hydras are driving me crazy and we're only on 13 pages

[PlusJOYED]

I can't interpret 2 heads on one slot like at all so I have no confidence in any reads I can come up with on the hydras
I'm gonna focus on iso's and reading non hydras and I'll let other townies sort the hydras

[PlusJOYED]

@joyed he’s way more actively engaged from the get go not sure back and let town devour itself

yeah, but lurking as scum is harder to do with a more experienced playerbase here. It might fly in a newbie game but no way in a game like this

[PlusJOYED]

I also think bulge is capable of adapting his scumplay here

[PlusJOYED]

...wait. Unless notsci is scum and starting a pocket on town!bulge? Is that possible?
But then how would IV deal with that? Would they discuss the strat amongst the heads or nah?
Someone help me figure this out here

[PlusJOYED]

yeah but would that pocket actually work on town!bulge?
Also after mulling it over I think I'm gonna townbin Bell until they perform a significant scumslip, makes it easier that way and I'm feeling confident in this read
peddit: no i don't like meta research unless I was in that game

[PlusJOYED]

For lack of a better way to explain it, this games like the touhou upicks.

I’m finally in a comfortable playerlist for me and I’m loving it so it’s probably bleeding into my posting a bit

Pedit
As I just said scum me just tried super strong townreading bulge all game and got called on it. I wouldn’t try the same bad tactic twice.

Pedit2

Did you or did you not do meta research prior to this game?

Go look at free love in Mayfair club and verify what I’m saying. You know I’m not that dumb to do the same strat twice.

ok I believe this
This could be wifom but you don't seem like the type to do that stuff, so that's very unlikely

[PlusJOYED]

Plusjoyed be out here at Yomi 1

what does this mean
I'd also like to hear your explanation on your notsci SR

[PlusJOYED]

the yomi stuff was interesting but I don't think it comes into play here.
If bulge says notsci is pocketing, I'll return to it. If he doesn't think so, then notsci is telling the truth

[PlusJOYED]

would also like remila to post stuff

[PlusJOYED]

the yomi stuff was interesting but I don't think it comes into play here.
If bulge says notsci is pocketing, I'll return to it. If he doesn't think so, then notsci is telling the truth

Why are you not debating a world where this is theater?

Why are you discounting Mafia-notsci distancing mafia-bulge?

It doesn't loom like theater? I guess I didn't consider SvS but that doesn't seem like a SvS interaction, I just don't see the lamist motive there to townbin your scumbuddy asap

[PlusJOYED]

*look like

[PlusJOYED]

This is going to be a 100 page d1 isn’t it

absolutely
my initial impression of april is negative. They are lamisting here without solve effort

[PlusJOYED]

Hold up april is getting townier page 17 nevermind
Also I think morph is town too
I still think either bulge or notscience is scum but not both, if that makes any sense

[PlusJOYED]

You're welcome to leave it or that, or have me elaborate, depending on how much reading of older games you feel like torturing yourself with.

i don't understand so i'll leave that

[PlusJOYED]

I think Bulge is town.

off what post(s)?

-b

Prism vote doesn't feel like scum and liked some of his stuff surrounding Plus. What 274 means will also be helpful towards my read.

I disagree, I think the prism vote feels like a scum vote. Bulge is my main SR atm

[PlusJOYED]

Hold up april is getting townier page 17 nevermind
Also I think morph is town too
I still think either bulge or notscience is scum but not both, if that makes any sense

Yeah, I like it.

Which one you want more?

Can you describe why you feel that?

I want the three I mentioned to be all town, and I don’t think it’s impossible. I am actively pushing away my gut feeling of one scum in Morph, Remelia, Bell.

So Remelia, UNVOTE: Remelia

I like SS for town, but I could be biased based on our history, however, similar things happened before, however I was also getting pushed down as well in that game.

I don’t believe I am here, which is also interesting.

Let’s go this route.

Remelia, SS, Morph, Bell, Plusjoyed, all town.

What happens next?

prefer bulge rn. But that isn't exactly fair sense the crux of my read will depend on how bulge reacts (or absence of a reaction) to notsci townbinning them, and I don't think he's seen that yet. But I dislike the prism vote and immediate contradiction from bulge.

[PlusJOYED]

I also resent that LAMIST comment.

If anything I’m just LAM.

i just don't see a difference between LAMIST and LAM. I don't think LAM is real, you either project a scumlean or townlean when doing so; it's never neutral. But I liked everything you've said after the first few posts A LOT. I think we'll get along but im hesitant to townbin you just yet since it might just be that I like your playstyle, since that's what I aspire to be one day so there is potential for me to be deeply pocketed by scum!april, so I'm gonna intentionally view you as null for now, same with remilla but in that case substitute me being a touhou fan over me likeing their playstyle

[PlusJOYED]

I really didn't like this. There's a really clear town incentive to pressure players-even easy targets. Why is this scummy from Bulge?

that's a good question, I guess I felt sympathy for you being pressured for not having any reads this early while bulge had nothing either. Maybe that's a little unfair to bulge ...

[PlusJOYED]

Like I said, it's Yomi level 1 - surface level up in here.

[PlusJOYED]

I also resent that LAMIST comment.

If anything I’m just LAM.

i just don't see a difference between LAMIST and LAM. I don't think LAM is real, you either project a scumlean or townlean when doing so; it's never neutral. But I liked everything you've said after the first few posts A LOT. I think we'll get along but im hesitant to townbin you just yet since it might just be that I like your playstyle, since that's what I aspire to be one day so there is potential for me to be deeply pocketed by scum!april, so I'm gonna intentionally view you as null for now, same with remilla but in that case substitute me being a touhou fan over me likeing their playstyle

Look at me I’m so town is me trying to force people to see me as town.

I don’t care one way or another right now if people see me as town, but they best know I’m ready to throw some hands if need be.

I think that was LAMIST intro but you had townie effort page 17 to back it up

[PlusJOYED]

Can everyone slow down and tell me what they think.

about my slot or in general?

[PlusJOYED]

Can everyone slow down and tell me what they think.

about my slot or in general?

In general. The signal to noise ratio is starting to hit me and I don’t want to fall behind.

ok forming a readlist one sec town daddy

[PlusJOYED]

my starter readlist after looking at all isos

notsci - scum if bulge flips green, green if bulge flips red

bulge - my biggest scumlean

bell - my biggest TR

morph - I have a decent TR on them

remilla - null (but i fan!)

april - null townlean for reasons earlier stated

midway - null, but I need them to explain their bulge TR. If I don't like it i may move them to scumlean

SS - I like the fact they defended me and didn't come off as a pocket to me at all but that could be done easily as either alignment. I liked what they said about prism though. Minor townlean

nacho - modlean

Prism: I liked 454 quite a bit but everything else they've said feels like fluff. Null

muffinman - null I need more from them!

mariaR - null I need more from them!

I think that's it?

[PlusJOYED]

I'm really confused by Joyed's read progression on me/Bulge. 493 views all of my pre-454 posts as fluff. 470 seems to recognize that pressuring someone for fluff might actually be a good thing. There's also really no reason to feel sympathy for someone being pressed for reads/reactions and I'm shocked I garnered that considering I did my best to be completely unsympathetic.

Bulge still being a scumlean despite the realization that their actions have strong town incentive is pretty ???

even factoring in bulges prism vote being possibly town motivated I still lean bulge scum for the other stuff

[PlusJOYED]

his contradiction, notsci, and gut read on him
I also consider prisms post after 454 to not have much substance imo

[PlusJOYED]

who is ffery?

[PlusJOYED]

Prism and PlusJoyed

what? you've said this twice now

[PlusJOYED]

@bell out of curiosity, did you see my readlist you asked me to make? what grade did i get on my homework?
Also Mari seems a little sus by refusing to read the 20 pages. That's something I would do as scum and didn't care as much about solving

[PlusJOYED]

These hydras are driving me crazy and we're only on 13 pages

I can't interpret 2 heads on one slot like at all so I have no confidence in any reads I can come up with on the hydras
I'm gonna focus on iso's and reading non hydras and I'll let other townies sort the hydras

I must admit, this game is not doing a good job of making hydras look easy to play with.

Re: the hydra comment, it wasn't dislike per se, just that there was a decent amount of confusion with regards to who said what (and with IV, who was even part of the hydra/playing in the game), and it was hard for me to follow (and probably even harder for +J to follow).

who wants to tell me the main difference between these two sets of posts

also
this is a literal nothingburger and a distraction attempt/lamist garbage, my SR on you just deepened

[PlusJOYED]

These hydras are driving me crazy and we're only on 13 pages

I can't interpret 2 heads on one slot like at all so I have no confidence in any reads I can come up with on the hydras
I'm gonna focus on iso's and reading non hydras and I'll let other townies sort the hydras

I must admit, this game is not doing a good job of making hydras look easy to play with.

Re: the hydra comment, it wasn't dislike per se, just that there was a decent amount of confusion with regards to who said what (and with IV, who was even part of the hydra/playing in the game), and it was hard for me to follow (and probably even harder for +J to follow).

who wants to tell me the main difference between these two sets of posts

also
this is a literal nothingburger and a distraction attempt/lamist garbage, my SR on you just deepened

context. the post before this was originally separated into 5 or 6 different tabs. i decided to not make 5 or 6 different posts in catchup. this didn't feel like it fit lumped in with my other points so i kept it separate.

lamist how?

appearing to scumhunt, but going after fluff posts isn't really solving at all, all it does is make it look like your trying to solve

[PlusJOYED]

appearing to scumhunt, but going after fluff posts isn't really solving at all, all it does is make it look like your trying to solve

i don't solve day 1. i solve by reading over and over and over and making sure in advance that those re-reads have real content and reactions for me to look into.

ughhh
my brain says that could just be a playstyle difference between us and you prefer to not discuss what'a been talked about but my gut says that's scum play.
i still scumlean you though.

[PlusJOYED]

Would you like to share what’s yuck about it?

There was literally no point to do the exercise and it felt quite unnatural/artificial to me. Also, notice how almost everyone else decided to ignore it too

I disagree but looks like SS beat me too it
Also still wanna hear why you TR bulge

[PlusJOYED]

I want to hear why Bell's exercise was artificial and why it was pointless, because it doesn't feel like either to me.

Ok, so I am going to acknowledge that, in a vacuum, such a thing is probably helpful. However, context matters. Iirc, the thread was decently active and conversations were flowing. Then, Bell announces that he wants the game to slow down and have everyone out some reads. This would have caused an unnatural rift in the prior flow of the game, and probably started new conversations that might have overshadowed old ones. One theory I have is that Bell was covering for a scumbuddy in trouble maybe Plus. I feel like people saw this and that's why nobody really did what he asked. The whole post is just yucky towncred grab.

that's an interesting take but I disagree

[PlusJOYED]

Im only in a weeb discord with people from here I thought they just made us a hydra PT for hte game lol

is this iv? please sign ur posts

[PlusJOYED]

Im only in a weeb discord with people from here I thought they just made us a hydra PT for hte game lol

oh i wanna join!

[PlusJOYED]

Prism, PlusJoyed, MariaR is my way too early solve. Not even sure if I fully scum read all of them.

"x is my solve"
"not even sure if I sr all of them"
i'd like a puff of what you're smoking

also im a lil giddy and fluffposting cuz i finished cleaning my house finally

[PlusJOYED]

I don't think joyed is scum

They come off as scum who’s null or town reading players. I don’t like the way they “like players” but null read “for safety”. It looks like they’re trying to keep a strong political standing while not giving full momentum to certain players, I being one of them. This also makes sense because I was gaining a little momentum earlier

i can see that, but intent matters here. I think my reasoning except for remilla maybe for my null slots atm is pretty fair for an early game; some of those guys only made 1 post. Believe me when I say I won't have any null slots by the end of day 1, that's usually how it goes for me. I just need to see more interactions

[PlusJOYED]

Also I think April is town now, I initially was worried about me hopping into his pockets since I liked his style a lot but SRing a pocket makes no sense in my brain, that doesn't seem like the move as scum

[PlusJOYED]

I don't think joyed is scum

They come off as scum who’s null or town reading players. I don’t like the way they “like players” but null read “for safety”. It looks like they’re trying to keep a strong political standing while not giving full momentum to certain players, I being one of them. This also makes sense because I was gaining a little momentum earlier

My biggest gripe is I feel like hes hiding behind hydra confusion a bit.

@joyed IV has been signing it's been me.

this is the first game I played with hydras, so I was initially very confused but I think I got a good grasp on it now ;>

[PlusJOYED]

Yeah I think I'd like to probe bulge more later imo

[PlusJOYED]

Somebody set up us the town

Bell - the easy, almost free-association posting at the start of the game felt really town to both of us. Followed by an insane number of "thinking what we're thinking when we're thinking it" moments. Like more than I've ever run into with an unknown player before. When he gets down into the reasoning behind those moments, we find that reasoning solid and consistent.

midwaybear - this is primarily a meta dive read and we're not interested in giving him a roadmap of the differences in his town and scum play. Subtracting that stuff out, the things that stand out are the in-the-moment nitpickiness, grabbing at strings and yanking them to see where they go.

Are you a bad enough dude to town read the president?

The Bulge- This read is almost strong enough to go into the next tier up, but we need to see more from him. It's similar to our Bell read, but not as frequent posting has meant a lot fewer "thinking what we're thinking" moments, but the few we've seen were salient, and near instantaneous with our own reactions. Ffery is aware that this kind of read doesn't always pan out, but she still likes them when they happen

PlusJoy - This read took a lot of questioning to understand his approach to mafia. Given that approach his play is pretty consistent and understandable.

Your townread might be in another castle

something_smart - He's moved up considerably for ffery from when we were poking at him earlier in the game. she really likes that he asked for a point of discussion, and that since that interaction he's been more stuck in the game, if that makes sense

Prism - Ffery did some hard-buddying, and she likes the echoes of cautious wtf that she got back. Need a better understanding of how they're processing the game.

I wish to high hell that we could townread these players but we can't yet

Giffybork- GiF was hitting the tonal stuff beautifully while he was here this morning, but there was no hard analytical edge or squinty eyes in ffery's direction and that worries her a little. Yeah we were all still having fun, but there was stuff to react to and it didn't happen. Bork in a lot of ways is oozing town. ffery is grumpy about lines of questioning getting tromped (not just at bork) and knows she shouldn't be taking it personally but she is. On pure objective grounds Remilia should be higher. ffery has liked bork's recent questions, especially his trying to nail us down on a zmuffin read. that's classic townbork and the beauty of it is that he doesn't really show his hand in terms of using that info to form a read of us. ffery's always surprised to find out she was being weighed in the balance. It's less surprising when she's doing some weighing herself.

Muffin - We're not going to try to read here yet. Cooldown needs to happen because ffery is all over the place about zmuffin's push.

Tunneling the Tunnel

Secret Tunnels - not townreading here. it's probably not fair to expect our games to pick up right where they left off, but that's where ffery is at. If you guys are town it's going to take a different way of processing your play for me to see it.

Leftovers for dinner

The rest of you lot. Special shout out to Alisae for avoiding game thread or something. Maria's fate will be tied to mine yet again this game, so sorting her is a whenever sort of thing.

i love readlists, nice job

[PlusJOYED]

+town points for reading 30 pages aliase and giving town buzzword energy, let's see if it lasts
I don't like zmuffins string of posts, they feel like scum monologuing and I don't really get the point they are trying to make at all, maybe I still got the morning sleepies. Does anyone else make sense of zmuffin? Cause right now I don't but I'd hate to start a mislim on something I don't understand

[PlusJOYED]

hold up lemme figure out zmuffin iso during my bathroom break, im a big boy I can figure them out

I'm still not good at mass quoting isos on mobile so bear with me here

38:

i'm not silly enough to read into something so insignificant... ... ... but i do find it interesting that you mentioned my name a rather large number of times before i'd even posted

Not gonna judge too harshly cause this was made at RVS stage imo, but it's the start of a post trend I notice where it looks like muffin is super self-focused and looking at this game from "who SR's who" rather than "who acts scummy"

43

i can't tell if people are still doing rvs votes. i think both morph and something_smart might actually be scum

Sr without explanation here, also 59

This is what really pinged me 504

i feel like i'll get some town reads for saying fferycabd is my strongest scum read so far

going against the grain usually makes people town-read you i think?

Shows a non towny mindset even if not serious

511

i am not read up on recent pages

have fferycabd figured out noddy is town yet or are they still pretending he could be scum?

Looks like tmi without explanation to me

527

have you done anything town?

This is not scumhunting regardless of playstyle, it should be up to you as town to decide that and I don't like this post

same with 544. this is consistent with 43 but they still have no evidence for their SR after 500+ posts

559 is ???

562

oh, good!

what are your current reads? (don't care about whether you've S Y N C E D on them)

ok this is a protown start but why not ask this earlier?

564

do a consolidated list please, you're all about effort in this game, shouldn't be too hard

also out of interest, why did you think i would scum read you if i were scum?

this question feels more survivalist than solve oriented. its easy to ask simple questions as scum to look like your scumhunting

585

to be clear, i think pretty much everything you've written so far has come across as forced. questions like 215 are a pretty good example of this, but just in general i think you're trying way too hard to be present rather than doing anything that seems town. i think some of your other questioning is 'fair', but not town-looking

and i don't know how you still don't have a town read on noddy lol, and i completely disagree with bork thinking you taking a 'nacho' approach to them now is a good sign

I don't see anything forced that morph has done and the example was pretty bad. They focus on how it sounds rather than the merits of what morph has said which I don't like much, hunting on tone seems bad especially against a hydra which is more inconsistent. They go on about stuff like this for a couple more posts

628

i don't like ffery's noddy push either and i legit don't know how you don't have a town read on him yet

noddy =notsci? I'm not a fan of the lack of mindset/explanation with these either, feels a little tmi or fake reads

they also feel very fixated on morph at this point like nearly all of their posts have been about that

720

if you are so aware of previous encounters with scum-me, that makes me more interested in knowing why you thought i'd call you scum this game if i were scum

because, like, it'd be pretty easy for me to just agree with general consensus about you and ignore you if i'm scum rofl

or serenade you with compliments so you ignore me

on the other hand, i don't understand what gave you the impression that i'd think you're town if i'm town? because that's clearly not meta-based, even ignoring the fact that we're both coming back from like a 2-year hiatus

This post also feels more survivalist than solvey here, giving reasons why they wouldn't do this as scum

848

tbh im out of the loop with scum noddy but even apart from the fact i think i can read him based on demeanour and based on his approach to scum hunting (or rather, town hunting), he just seems pretty town so far

so i see you going "oh woe is me, he didn't mention being paranoid" and i just think "so what? is that it? was that the entire reason you had a full-on scum read on him after 6 pages?"

also not a fan here, they seem to contradict their use of meta by saying their meta of a player is off? doesn't make sense

overall this push on morph seems really bad and I now SR muffin

[PlusJOYED]

do I sr muffin more than bulge tho?
probably, I can see more townie motivation in bulge than muffin but i still scumlean bulge
UNVOTE: bulge
VOTE: muffin

[PlusJOYED]

town buzzword energy

What does this even mean

they show townie energy/motivation. Would you be more interested in reading 30 pages in one sitting if you were town or scum? Scum doesn't care as much.
Also, I liked their responses to old stuff, it feels like what I do as town when catching up

[PlusJOYED]

I would be equally interested to read the game as town or scum. Scum definitely cares about what's going on in the game? If you were scum, are you saying you wouldn't try to catch up on what you missed? Seems like a recipe for disaster.
What do you mean by buzzword though? Also, why were you scumreading Bulge outside of Prism push again?

yeah, it's not the strongest towntell, but it is protown, I mainly liked their responses
"buzzwords" was a bit of a joke from a while back

Bulge was focusing on fluff and stuff that means nothing, hiding reads, contradicted himself very early, and also the fact that he didn't respond really to notsci's TR bugs me

[PlusJOYED]

sorry but whose bork and GiF? are those nicknames?

[PlusJOYED]

VOTE: prism

Taking it this vote isn't random?

if i were voting at random, i would have picked a more interesting target

a Prism vote doesn't look like an uninteresting target to us. We've discussed them en hydra a bit.

was meant as a [random/choice] joke. if i were meming i would have picked someone i know

this contradiction bulge
You say if your vote was random you would have picked a more interesting target, but then you brush it off as a random joke and your prism vote was random?

[PlusJOYED]

VOTE: prism

Taking it this vote isn't random?

if i were voting at random, i would have picked a more interesting target

a Prism vote doesn't look like an uninteresting target to us. We've discussed them en hydra a bit.

was meant as a [random/choice] joke. if i were meming i would have picked someone i know

this contradiction bulge
You say if your vote was random you would have picked a more interesting target, but then you brush it off as a random joke and your prism vote was random?

ah. you misunderstood. my vote was not at all random, my response to morph asking if it was random was a joke.

oh nvm on that then
you've become pretty nullish to me then

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dammit I told april I wouldn't have any null reads by the end of day 1
act scummier bulge if ur scum pls

[PlusJOYED]

@bulge yes but very rarely, (I can only think of 1 example) only example I have I can't discuss cause site rules.
It'd have to be some ultra scummy like "I didn't protect the confirmed cop cause I didn't feel like it" or outright lying or a huge scumslip

To go from scum to TR I can only see them doing that with a really good claim

[PlusJOYED]

Do you see anything in the Alisae ISO that points towards Prism, then?

Or are these two reads derived from different angles trying to reconcile with each other?

Different. Joyed and Prism were more attached,but i didn’t want to keep doing pre associative seems before some flips.

I don’t like the way Prism and Joyed talked t each other at all, and it doesn’t feel town town.

attached from the bulge interaction? I don't really follow you here

[PlusJOYED]

I also though aliase catchup and posts were pretty towny, what makes you interpret them as scum april?

[PlusJOYED]

VOTE: April
meh I feel like scum is this or Prism slot cuz I don't really have a clear idea as to where to look for scum so...

what do you think of muffins slot ali?

[PlusJOYED]

For me bell had a really strong start but it's kinda slowly petered out to be more null, but I still TR them overall

[PlusJOYED]

I also don't like 851, I don't see how that would change your opinion really, it's NAI at best

[PlusJOYED]

I also don't like 851, I don't see how that would change your opinion really, it's NAI at best

Why? It makes sense to me

let me ask you this.
If someone does something scummy and their defense is "I wouldn't have gotten myself here if I was scum" does that make them more town?

[PlusJOYED]

zMuffinman, Alisae, Maria, Prism, Remelia has multiple scum in it probably.

The Bulge, Midwaybear, SS, Morph, Bell, Secret Tunnel

Is who is left over, and I’m forgetting one person...hmm

PlusJoyed, lol

Of the lists, I town read SS, Morph, Bell, PlusJoyed.

I’m turning around on Alisae. I kinda like Midwaybear.

Secret Tunnel/Bulge definitely could have scum in them.

Something’s really bugging me about zMuffinman. What are people’s reads there?

muffin is my main SR atm I cased them a while back. Also didn't like their defense thus far at all

[PlusJOYED]

I'll come back later I have a killer headache atm. I still wanna look at remilla's iso before the day ends, it's struck me as kind of fluffy

[PlusJOYED]

it's awful because you clearly have no ability to read the intention behind any of my posts so you come to incorrect conclusions

people can be wrong and not awful; for example, i think bell thinking my attack on morph was bad is wrong but not awful

youre trying to dissect my posts in a way that shows a complete inability to read intent, tone, etc

that's what makes it awful

AtE train starting

[PlusJOYED]

I've liked bulges recent posts a lot, but I really disliked muffins posts in april vs muffin.

[PlusJOYED]

I'd also like to hear from remilla at this point

[PlusJOYED]

I've liked bulges recent posts a lot, but I really disliked muffins posts in april vs muffin.

my posting today is very casual compared to yesterday, are you reading for my alignment or my intensity?

casual or not, you've come across to me as a lot less filtered and more open, with more town motives shining through than before. So yeah

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Bell is the obvious place to start - I feel like his progression on the reads seemed mechanical/fabricated to me
+Joyed is being really weird about my slot in particular and I'm wondering what exactly they're waiitng on from me instead of, you know, just reading my posts
Bulge is posting but I am getting basically nothing off his posts; what's your impression?

April I think is town
SS gutwise seems town
Midway is town
I want to say muffin is town
I think Tunnels is town

Alisae I'll get to in a bit I want to clear some stuff up w/ that slot

Others aren't in the forefront for me atm

-b

sell me on muffin town muffin hasn't been doing a good pitch

[PlusJOYED]

that they did

[PlusJOYED]

I've liked bulges recent posts a lot, but I really disliked muffins posts in april vs muffin.

why muffin?

a little push from April did nof nessitate flipping out and doing AtE that hard

[PlusJOYED]

that they did

I fucking hate this post in case it wasn't clear

-b

lol u mad bro?

[PlusJOYED]

it pissed you off.

it's been known to happen but that's not really where I'm at. +J piling on your comment like that is stretching the bounds of credulity from a third party to the convo between me and you

-b

i think you're reading a lil too much into it, me agreeing with bell was more to show that he's not crazy and I saw it too, not that I really cared about the semantics; I just wanted you to clarify your muffin read cause they are my primary sr atm

[PlusJOYED]

420 Blaze It replaces Prism. I'll get a new vote count together when not trying to complete tasks and sabotage doors!

I think they'll fit right in!

[PlusJOYED]

Actually, yeah, Cabd does have some meta from a newbie game or two that he watched. When he's around he can discuss it.

i don't remember cabd at sll tbh

[PlusJOYED]

my gut says remilla is sus unfortunately, they seem to have a nervous vibe. I'm too lazy to build a wallpost rn though maybe tomorrow

[PlusJOYED]

Cabd watches games he not in joyed

which one did he see?

[PlusJOYED]

Cabd watches games he not in joyed

which one did he see?

Why do you think secret tunnel would know the answer to this question though?

lol that's a good question

[PlusJOYED]

that he's not crazy and I saw it too

I mean, no shit? I obviously said what was written on the page and I don't think I at all said the other thing and I think that should've been self evident.

I was really just expecting that to bloom into something it didn't.

I've explained muffin to the best of my ability; now what?

-b

calm, you seem really frantic for a simple inquiry and I don't like it
uhhhh where did you explain the TR? I looked at 1289 onwards of your iso and didn't see anything, im pretty tired though could have missed it

[PlusJOYED]

Cabd watches games he not in joyed

which one did he see?

Why do you think secret tunnel would know the answer to this question though?

lol that's a good question

No but seriously, why did you even want to know?

not a big reason, just wanted to see if the game he saw was an ongoing one or not, to see if his meta read could be explained/discussed at all

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you seem really frantic for a simple inquiry and I don't like it

Don't really think you should presume to know what my emotional state (nervous/frantic is way off the mark) atm nor should have any bearing on my alignment here. At least not in the way you're implying

I think the crux of muffin's push is 1192 which I think he's been pretty clear and transparent about and I dunno I just thought the exchange w/ April looked town

is the entirety of my muffin read

-b

alright ty

[PlusJOYED]

who's all here right now

at work but i can check periodically

[PlusJOYED]

... sounds to me like you're apathetic scum here. i've liked your posts a lot less than prisms even

[PlusJOYED]

well let's think about why you could be apathetic
1. you're trolling by being antitown or just bored
2. you've replaced into a scumslot and don't wanna read 50 pages cause you've been SRed by a few people and don't wanna put in the effort to fakesolve, i've been in that position before

you being a hydra leads me more to this being option 2 as well, at least 1 of you would wanna put in effort to looking townie. Unless you are the type that wants to wait for his buddy to make sure of posts

peddit wait you are a hydra right? I think you said you were but not super sure

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that's it

I've been expecting that your squinty-eyes in our direction were going to lead to an attempt to engage and sort us. It's starting to bug me a little that you haven't.

i wouldn't say im putting it off, just not ready yet

i dislike this stalling but it could be just how you play town

[PlusJOYED]

I think you at least show a bit of a towny mindset I just don't get your methodology at all

[PlusJOYED]

Alisae Bell PlusJOYED

The Bulge, April Ludgate

midwaybear, zmuffin man Secret Tunnel

Something_Smart

420 Blaze It Remilia Scarlet

Yeah this feels right

no morph read yet? I can see the rest though tbh

[PlusJOYED]

PlusJoy and I have both been on zmuffin, and nothing has broken out.

Also is worth nothing that over half the people in the game are not voting and instead voicing reads; curious to know what you expect to be happening

-b

yeah I'm not a big fan of this either

[PlusJOYED]

Maria’s lack of committing to a Zmuffin read noted. Th high town read, but not too high also noted.

If Maia is scum, zmuffin town, zmuffin is where scum should be setting up. If Maria scum, muffin scum, it’s not adding pressure to muffin, but making sure that if zmuffin goes down, Maria isn’t incriminated majorly.

If both town, then scum are going to coast this. However, PlusJoy and I have both been on zmuffin, and nothing has broken out. Now to figure out if it’s town zmuffin or scum.

part of me wonders why the wagons have been so slow. I'd think if one of our wagons was scum and the other town, scum would jump on the town wagon right? Maybe this playerlist is vote shy or something

[PlusJOYED]

i like this play, i'm just unsure of how useful it will be for scumhunting purposes.

[PlusJOYED]

i also think this could really be done with any player, not just muffin

[PlusJOYED]

though I wonder if it's possible the main wagons atm are all scum, and they're waiting for a mislim wagon to start up? though that's a more optimistic line of thinking than I like
@muffin, what's your read on mariaR?

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Well, if I’m being real with you guys, since we’re having fun bonding times, I lied a bit earlier with my town block.

I don’t town read Something Smart as much as I acted, nor did I trust Remelia back then, but I added them to the town block so they would have to progress through the game with that in mind. Remelia, nothing changed, in fact, they got townier because it seemed like their personal dynamic with me did not matter one bit. Something Smart, while someone’s play I respect fully, if I was going to take the leap to risk being wrong on him, I had to do something to figure it out, ya know?

Remelia, Bell, Plus Joyed, and I are the 4 I am most comfortable calling a town block.

the townblock you just made not too long ago? I don't think SS had a chance to see that it was like 10 minutes ago

[PlusJOYED]

I stole the walk me through thing from Bork ngl.

i could see why a dog would like to be walked

[PlusJOYED]

so wait im confused and tired April
you fake TR remilla and SS a while back
remilla didn't do anything and neither did SS
because of that, you actually TR them since they didn't react? So because they didn't question you, they become town to you?
It feels like you're playing with the spotlight effect on yourself to the max; you consider all of your posts to be the centerpiece of this. That could come from town, but seems more likely to come from scum; extremely self aware.

[PlusJOYED]

Morph

Way down here.
Midwaybear
My phone keeps selecting all making this more annoying than usual.
Way down a little more.
Remi.

I give April a very small town lean. Like, minuscule.

Bicycle is being fairly proactive. Small lean town.
IAI/NS are being weird.
Plusjoyed seems more comfortable in a way that I just don’t understand.

Maybe scum:
Alisae. Aforementioned reasons.

Joke team option but maybe not actually a joke.

Bulge/st.
Muffin/s_S

@muffin are you voting alisae or have you just been fosing at her?

i don't agree with this list, (i could possibly see a ST/bulge team but unlikely) im working on my new readlist atm
as for me being more comfortable, well, the completed games before I had to fight for my life the entire time, whereas here I've seen very few people come after my throat, so I feel like I can solve and make reads in a temporary tranquility.

[PlusJOYED]

ok read through isos again, new readlist is here

each tier is ordered left to right from town to less town

town read: {Morph, bell}

townlean: {aliase, midway, SS}

weak townlean: {tunnels, april}

weak scumlean: {bulge}

scumlean: {remillia, maria}

scumread: {muffin, 420}

Morph: Very active, feels like the center of the town for me, and probably my strongest TR overall. Yet despite all that nothing from memory really pinged me as scummy which is impressive, and he really cemented themself with that readlist a while back which I love in post 800 (I'm a little biased to in depth readlists being a major towntell, I loved morphs honestly). I don't think I can be swayed to join a morph wagon anytime soon especially given the volume of their posts.

bell - I don't see bell as scum at all honestly. He had a really strong start and while I think he slowed down a bit he feels like the obvtown bell I played with in hedgehogs. He also feels a little unsure like before too.


aliase: Their catchup/stream of consciousness I really liked. Like someone else said, I think being late is a towntell; wouldn't your scumbuddies prod you asap once you didn't show up after like 800 posts? And none of their posts scumpinged me? That's enough for me to townlean them honestly but it's more subject to change due to less posts.

midway: Read through their iso, they seemed to have a solid towny mindset and have been encouraging discussion when they post, though I don't really get their bell read. They also ask a lot of questions which I like. Townlean.

SS: I've kinda liked what they've posted, especially 448 and 738, and haven't scumpinged me at all, but what they've done so far and pointed out (in terms of towny contributions) just isn't enough to move them higher compared to my other townleans/townreads.

tunnels: they seem to like meta more and I REALLY didn't like their early locktown read on bulge, it almost feels like tmi or a pocket as I said earlier. But besides that they seem pretty towny and solvey in their other posts. That scumping just holds them back a lot.

april: They feel very attention grabby to me and super self aware. Some times I like their play, other times I don't; they kind of cancel out honestly as far as placing them. A large part of the read is that I don't think it'd be smart for scum to make themselves the center of attention as they are trying to, but this could also be a very sneaky attempt to predict that reaction and disrupt discussion. Honestly my weakest townlean atm


bulge: I went into this before in more depth, since then they've been towny in places and I can see a bit of a solvey mindset at times but othertimes just a blank, scummy wall, but they've been going up lately. I'm going to look into them in a bit more depth later.

Remilla: Honestly, a lot of their posting style feels like it has a vibe of nervousness/frantic energy to it, which I really dislike (1292 through 1311 and 1379 specifically). And a bit of hesitation to interact in some posts (like 682, 875). I think their scumread on me is interesting but I don't really understand the reasoning. Their mindset seems a sort of towny I guess, they look as if they are trying to solve at times? But nothing they've posted really calls out to me as "this is town" Overall a scumlean I think after digging through their iso. But their volume and effort puts them above maria imo.

Maria: Their postcount/iso is pathetic. Refusing to read early on was a big red flag to me. I usually like readlists, but having theirs use another readlist as a reference and not having any explanation really scumpings me too. But I could also see them as apathetic town. Even so, right now they are a pretty sizeable liability to the town atm and I don't like it.

muffin: I'm not gonna dig through iso again, but my opinion on them hasn't really changed, and my gut agrees with me too. I think they're scum

420: I'm not the biggest fan of prisms slot, and all 420 has done so far is stall and troll, which is probably what I'd do if I replaced into a scumslot in that position; to really try to solve you need to read the damn thread, and they have refused to do so. Really not a good look at all. And they beat muffin because while I think a lot of muffins posts have been straight up scumplay, muffin at least has done some towny posts too where I don't think the 420 slot has really.

[PlusJOYED]

with that said, for now...
UNVOTE: muffin
VOTE: 420

[PlusJOYED]

You don’t seem to agree with my rem and Alisae reads, but otherwise our reads seem somewhat aligned.
I don’t see the stream of consciousness thing from alisae at all.
I don’t see the tmi From ST at all.

why would they hard town read bulge when so early when bulge had very few posts? That's what I think is either possibly TMI or some sort if pocket even despite ST'e protests on how a bulge pocket wouldn't work

explain scum!aliase to me then bell, cause I don't see it
town!rem too if you can

[PlusJOYED]

Update: it turns out the top two reads in that list are the only ones I really liked.

My theory is that +J's reads are not as pronounced as he's making them out to be and a lot of the people in the middle tiers were somewhat arbitrarily ordered.

please elaborate. I'd like to see your readlist too since I haven't sorted you as much as the others

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please elaborate.

I mean most of your middle reads are just "they've done towny things and scummy things and the towny things do/don't/kinda do outweigh the scummy things." But you just mention that things are or aren't towny without really explaining why? So it seems like it would have been very easy for you to, say, swap your townlean and weak townlean reads and change a few words, and they would still make sense. Except for the morph and Bell reads because those seem to be solid and based in real reasoning rather than handwaving-- probably because they're your strongest reads and you don't have to hedge or balance anything.

oh I see. That makes sense. I like your mindset there.
The thing is, those middle slots are pretty subjective to change and be swapped around later; you're absolutely correct. I wanted to sort them here as best I could, but honstly, a lot of those middle slots I just don't know yet. For example, Maria only had like 25 posts last I checked. a
My gut on certain slots and how I intepreted certain town or scum slips was a big factor for deciding how much I townlean or scumlean a slot.
I can try to clarify why I weighted some slots if you'd like.

[PlusJOYED]

Also would like to see your readlist too SS

[PlusJOYED]

he has done similar stuff before I mentioned in my readlist, to midway too when he said that bell asking for a readlist was forced
do you think that's a scumtell or a towntell iv?

[PlusJOYED]

he has done similar stuff before I mentioned in my readlist, to midway too when he said that bell asking for a readlist was forced
do you think that's a scumtell or a towntell iv?

i wanna go back to this since it seems like iv isn't here and I don't wanna drop it just yet.

If a player points out a weird minor thing that someone said, that frames them as scummy (possibly), but doesn't equate that to a SR yet. I see SS doing this once before with midway after he said bells request for readlists was forced, and again with how i ordered my readlist. Bulge did it to a lesser extent too a few times. The way I see it is one of 2 ways:

if they are scum, they could be trying to tentatively get wagons going on players while being safe, whereas doing the same thing but with a vote attached is more suspicious.

if they are town, they could be seeing things that are scummy but since they don't know who scum is they are being cautious to avoid a mislim and/or trying to understand the reasoning

Right now, in SS case i think it's the latter, primarily based on tone and how they handled

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morph i don't know if there's really much for me to say. I agree strongly on bell town for my own conclusions, yours didn't really add or subtract anything.

Midway i think is playing townie and while I guess they feel a little generic/average as you said, I don't know them and nothing has really scumpinged me from them. Given I think morph is town and you TR midway for meta stuff too, i'll take your word for it somewhat.

remillia i'm gonna disagree with you on since it appears pretty meta based and that you agree with their reads mostly. I don't count either of those things and they seem a little on the scummy side to me

[PlusJOYED]

I'll be around while watching like 1 or maybe 2 episodes of anime before I get stoned but like I wanna smoke weed so no promises.

i wish that was me
instead im stuck debugging with mafia breaks

[PlusJOYED]

for convenience AND

amusement

you say that now. but i feel like anyone who has any knowledge of how i abuse PTs wouldn't (or shouldn't) say that. at first, maybe, but if ever i don't leave a mod feeling like they want to put themselves out of their misery, i haven't done my job in a PT

spay-half remembers modding a Tarot game where your PT abuse was highly amusing and one of the highlights of the game from a behind the curtain perspective.

note to self
spray is ffery and the other half is cabd got it

I thought it was fairly obvious. I take it you're too young to have grown up with school sick days meaning bob barker time.

It probably was I'm just stupid

i didn't know either if that makes you feel better

[PlusJOYED]

I liked aliases catchup stuff honestly I don't see why no one else did

[PlusJOYED]

i don't want a tunnels wagon today. I still dislike their super early bulge locktown read but everything else has been fine

[PlusJOYED]

one does towntells the other does scumtells

[PlusJOYED]

How accurate do you think town tells and scum tells are at finding scum?

they are the best method imo
that and gut reads

[PlusJOYED]

im very tired and don't feel like writing a ton explaining my every thought process when it's right there in my iso the best I can put it
wish i could just mail you my brain bell

[PlusJOYED]

Do you have any evidence that, that’s the case?
What is your most accurate scum and town tell?

nervousness is a scumtell
lying/misrepping is a scumtell
stuff without explanation is a scumtell: faking reads is easy but giving reasons for that is hard
... ect
shit, do you want me to send you a link on a mafia guide? This question kinda annoys me, like i don't want to write an essay explaining how i play when in reality it's very subject to context and change

[PlusJOYED]

Who scumreads me and who scumreads mariaR

i think you are town i think mariaR is scum

[PlusJOYED]

can someone please explain aliase being scum to me also? preferably not muffin because i don't trust them

[PlusJOYED]

I will admit I dislike aliase refusing to read bulge; I must've missed that before. In the event that bulge flips red that's really sus. But I could also see if ali flips red somehow that it might've been a bait for a towny mislim against town!bulge. It might've been buying time to give a read on their scum bulge partner, but that's pretty overt and idk if aliase would do that when they could easily just not mention bulge too.

They can make an excuse that maybe they found bulge posts boring but that doesn't feel like a TvT interaction to me. That knocks Alisae a bit lower for me.

[PlusJOYED]

I'll be sending out any necessary prods later today.

In the event that bulge flips red that's really sus.

Explain?

i did in that post?

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in regards to SS, I thought I clearly explained it in my post and that it was obvious why hard fencesitting on a spot is sus if their scum. Scum are the most hesistant to express reads on their scumbuddies.

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i can see that. The scumtell only applies if bulge flips red, and aliase's catchup seemed pretty town
I've been on the 420 wagon.

[PlusJOYED]

*not morph being sus the other thing i can see that. In regards to ali being townshrug

[PlusJOYED]

morph at the bottom is pretty insane ngl

[PlusJOYED]

morph was in your top townblock in your last readlist but now at the bottom. When did this happen?

[PlusJOYED]

i did in that post?

you kinda hedged against it though:

It might've been buying time to give a read on their scum bulge partner, but that's pretty overt and idk if aliase would do that when they could easily just not mention bulge too.

this is not convincing at all, it doesn't even look like you believe it. and given that e put two other people as ???, e could have just stuck bulge there as well.

he specifically said he wasn't reading bulges posts and that stuck out to me. i didn't know he put 2 people as ??? who was the other?

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and yeah, i was very light in that post SS and that's because i think aliase is town still. I'm saying that if bulge flipped red it would be sus, but that only assumes a scum!bulge, and i've been starting to see bulge as more towny lately
pedit: because scumbuddies like to fencesit on each other

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fencesitting in this case makes more sense because aliase was late to the thread imo

[PlusJOYED]

i think your pretty off base April. Like it's backwards

[PlusJOYED]

I pretty much feel you. I lso think they’ll probably be dead within the next day or two if you’re wrong so it doesn’t really matter.
The quip about ignoring it when you get nk Ed was because it generates a lot of wifom when you leave a note like that.

I love WIFOM.

me too

[PlusJOYED]

I think April definitely has some ulterior motives going on here in regards to scumreading morph but i don't know which alignment they come from. I don't think they actually SR morph like they claim. I can think of a few possibilities.

1. He's scum going for an elaborate against the grain read (complete with crumbs) for townie points. If that was their intention it seems to have worked
2. This is scum theater (morph is my strongest TR so I think this is less than 1% of being the right answer, but it is possible)
3. This is town!april trying to keep morph alive since morph is very widely townread
4. This is a gambit by April to wait for someone to follow him in his SR of morph or switch off onto April, and then they'll go "aha, I've caught the real scum guys, vote this person" This could come from either alignment but makes the most sense as town!april
5. This is a petty fight for center of attention as town

Given Aprils prior posts and weird style, I think the true correct motive is option 4 and I'm not afraid to admit it since I don't think it'll catch scum like April thinks.

[PlusJOYED]

4 is very possible, but not in the plans, if that makes sense.

no offense april but I don't believe you

[PlusJOYED]

Greetings fellow friends and users of the drugs

slow claps steps out of the shadows
Heh.... not bad, kid. Not bad at all. Your meme, I mean it's not bad. A good first attempt. It's pretty dank.... I can tell it's got some thought behind it.... lots of quotable material.....
But memeing isn't all sunshine and rainbows , kid. You're skilled.... that much I can tell. But do you have what it takes to be a memester? To join those esteemed meme ranks? To call yourself a member of the Ruseman Corps? Memeing takes talent, that much is true. But more than hat it takes heart. The world-class Memesters - I mean the big guys, like Johnny Hammersticks and Billy Kahuna - they're out there day and night, burning midnight meme-oil, working tirelessly to craft the next big meme.
And you know what, kid? 99 times out of a hundred, that new meme fails. Someone dismisses it as bait, or says it's "tryhard", or ignores it as they copy/paste the latest shitpost copypasta dreamt up by those sorry excuses for cut-rate memers over at Reddit. The Meme Game is rough, kid, and I don't mean the one you just lost : ). It's a rough business, and for every artisan meme you craft in your meme bakery, some cocksucker at 9gag has a picture of a duck or some shit that a million different Johnny No-Names will attach a million different captions to. Chin up, kid. Don't get all mopey on me. You've got skill. You got talent. You just need to show your drive.
See you on the boards.......

Here in my garage, just bought this new lamborghini here. It’s fun to drive up here in the Illicit Substances Hills. But you know what I like more than drugs? Morph votes In fact, I’m a lot more proud of two new Morph votes that I had to get installed to hold twelve thousand new deathtunnels on Morph. It’s like what i say, “the more you Morph vote, the more you Morph.”

VOTE: Morph

what the fuck

[PlusJOYED]

i think 420 is just scum who doesn't care and is meming

[PlusJOYED]

i also wanna point out that muffin's post have been townier lately with solve mindset but idk if it means they aren't scum

[PlusJOYED]

I don’t think it’s likely an entire group like that drew scum together.

And I don’t think it’s likely scum lies solely in the outliers from said groups either.

notsci i've seen you do this like 4 times now in between this game and [redacted] lol

[PlusJOYED]

Chapter One:

Well Above The Bell Curve

Spay-half says...

Bell - Remembrance, it all makes sense now. Unless he's already revealed his previous life in other games, I feel like lowering the cloak here is an additional townpoint. I mean, as scum he could have kept that info back and continued to post stuff I was loving and gotten an easy townread.I like his confidence in thinking he can meta scum-zmuffin into the ground, if that's what we have here. (Prior: the easy, almost free-association posting at the start of the game felt really town to both of us. Followed by an insane number of "thinking what we're thinking when we're thinking it" moments. Like more than I've ever run into with an unknown player before. When he gets down into the reasoning behind those moments, we find that reasoning solid and consistent.)

Neuter-half says...

Bell came into the thread spitting fire at S_S early. But instead of trying to keep up with that, we instead see an immediate transition into a townread on midwaybear, for much the same reasons as I did... I hope! 187/193 is quite the jagged swap onto plusjoyed, when we were hinting at/making sounds at it, and then a townish read at S_S. I feel like mafia-bell makes that slide off and onto plusjoyed much less abruptly. 239 is a fairly early townbin of the exact same townbin that we had at that point in time. Calling us an IC is one helluva pocket-attempt if this is a mafia-bell world. Why does bell ever make that joke as mafia, intending to kill us or not? It does nothing but look terrible post-flip. Conclusion: Bell was just shooting the shit and talking about his townread like ffery goes mama bear "I would believe the cop is insane rather than you are mafia" on her townreads sometimes. Several pretty significant townreading-this-slot reasons form the first 50 posts. I'm not gonna bother doing the rest of the Bell ISO because if you don't see it from their first 50 posts, you probably never will. And then I'll cry. And then drown in the puddle that is my tears. And then haunt you by meowing outside your door at 4 AM even though you don't have a cat.

Chapter Two:

Just Grin and Bear It

Spay-half says...

This is primarily a meta dive read and we're not interested in giving him a roadmap of the differences in his town and scum play. Subtracting that stuff out, the things that stand out are the in-the-moment nitpickiness, grabbing at strings and yanking them to see where they go. There's such a touching artless literal-mindedness to his in the moment questions. If this read is wrong, ffery's going to retire again.

Neuter-half says...

Nah why meta if you aren't willing to burn it all down. Midwaybear has a very specific is-mafia tell. And that is that they go out of their way to give reads on the entire field early. Like first 48 hoursish of day one level early. It used to be lots of fluffposting but that arms race ship already sailed out to war. Such a post of spoiler= tags for each player is not present in a single completed town game of his. Guess what isn't in this thread DESPITE calls for people to start dumping reads lists!

Chapter Three:

I Think This Fridge is Borked, Man

Spay-half says...

I have put too much of my own thoughts and stances into the game thread already to get a solid GiF read this time, probably. If a solid GiF read happens, it will be for other reasons, than the usual. So, I'm quite content sorting this slot via Bork. I have Bork as a top tier townread. He shows irritability, trajectory of reads, that weird convergence/divergence that Bork and I do, where we often wind up with similar reads on some players but get there via different data streams. That's all town-bork. The slowness of forming a read on me is also town-bork, but I figure he's long since imported that into his scum repertoire, so it doesn't count to the same degree as other points do. During the confirmation stage and his one later appearance in the thread, GiF was hitting the tonal stuff beautifully but there was no hard analytical edge or squinty eyes in my direction and that would worry me if he weren't sick. On an objective basis, Remilia should have been higher in our first list. Bork's questions, trying to get us to commit on a zmuffin read (something we will do pretty soon!) is also classic borktown, even though I am notorious for holding back some of my reads both because I want them to settle and for strategic reasons, like getting a coveted solid GiF read.

Neuter-half says...

Even if we ignore the meta-book (More like an encyclopedia set) Borkgif has been in a unique spot several times where stirring the shit-pot would have been natural and easy to do. Instead, there's been back-off, re-evaluation, and air-clearing. Remilia truly is the best air freshener scent, sometimes. My reservation initially was that gif was lurking because more of this player list can read him over bork, but irl medical things gonna irl medical. I feel that the level of play has been consistent, and I am content to follow spayhalf to the ends of the earth on her brokread.

This marks the end of our top tier of townreads.

Compilation of the top tier of our reads list. {Bell, Midway, Remilia}

CHAPTER 4:

Do We, Indeed, Know The Muffin Man?

Spay-half says...

I go back and forth with the winds of paranoia, but when the wind inside my head doesn't blow too much from scary directions, I would have already moved him up a tier if I were playing alone and didn't have another head to bounce ideas with. And I'd commit to that "for a while" and a while would become longer and longer because that's fortunately/unfortunately what happens to my zMuffin reads sometimes. When he's scum, I often go from scumread to a subversion to town. I'm generally not super paranoid of him, but my paranoia got triggered here, and it's a bad trip. A really bad trip. Townbinning him forever is not necessarily a good thing. Our mutual sticking point about him is that there's value to scum-zMuffin in sticking a spoke in the wheels of our townbloc-ing, and in throwing us off our stride. I don't remember him doing this to me/us/my-many-hydra-partners before as any alignment and so the rational part of my brain tells me that his rather high level of suspicion of us here is an actual thing town-zMuffin comes to legitimately in this game.

But the scum value is there and can't be swept away. I reread the forest fire game, particularly the part where my hydra was pushing zmuffin's hydra and the rest of the players basically yelled WTF??? That very subtle fan-flame on the town player who got scumread by Regfan was something Nacho could see him doing as either alignment, but knowing scum-zmuffin would see and seize the opportunity, Nacho kept pushing. I was mostly along for the ride. This game is different. The player list is larger, the meta-circle isn't nearly as tight, and there are a smaller proportion of players here that will quickly recognize fferytown. And, zmuffin seems to have more time to play mafia right now. I think he was less present in the forest fire game. I could go on for pages about that game, but I won't In this game, there are also many chewier targets in this player list for scum-zMuffin to go after because of the meta-circle size. Maybe we're being arrogant in seeing our ability to townbloc-build as something that scum-zmuffin might want to shut down, rather than infiltrate. It would have been so easy to infiltrate. Which is probably a strong argument for zmuffin-town playing this way around us. At this point, aside from the moments when paranoia gets the best of me, I am townreading him. Cabd is more focused on the scum value to his play (not surprising given Cabd's own scumgame).

If I were a betting cat, I would bet that I'm going to have at least one more flip-out/read-flip before this read settles down for good.

Neuter-half says..

Muffin is this game's Guy the 3rd. Somebody I really really want to town read me because all of the pieces should be there for them to do so, but instead they kept doubling down on their scum read of me that makes me want them to be mafia just so that my efforts were in vain, not just invisible.
Essentially, maybe I just want sempai to notice me. I guess while nothing muffin is doing ATM is out of his range as mafia, it's also well within his town wheelhouse and I should stop applying what I wish was true to what I think is true.

these are really hard to read on mobile please increase font size

[PlusJOYED]

I’m not really in theirs. I think bell and bear universal townreads that somewhat transcend the circles. I have to revisit but I feel like S_S, Alisae, Maria and April are the other circle.

Ours is something like you me remi muffin with bulge on the edge.

I don’t know what’s off kilter. It seems like the reads in and of itself are mirroring each other just in the separate groups

im confused by this, what do you think the groups are again?

[PlusJOYED]

Trying to meta plusjoyed has been like trying to build a 1:1 replica of the Sears tower on quicksand that is also on fire.

Thank you for coming to my Ted talk.

good meta sucks ass except for starting points

[PlusJOYED]

oh

i wanted to do that but uh...

i'll just continue working on my replica then

Two completed games, both of which had super early mislims as town. One of which involved a comical amount of moderation error, at that.

Just not going anywhere unless PLusJoyed has a home site they feel like linking us to.

am i allowed to link you ongoing games where im dead or is that against the rules

[PlusJOYED]

Yeah don't do that. Stop this conversation here, lest you break site rules.

The ONLY valid meta games are ones that are 100% over.

You can link to other sites if you played on any.

i have really old stuff from 5 years ago when i was in high school only

[PlusJOYED]

okey mod

to sleep i go

[PlusJOYED]

Regardless of what you think about the meta circles, at LEAST one person is probably confident meta townreading someone incorrectly, aka they are getting duped.

Does everyone really think that their scum!familiars won’t do their damndest in this plist to subvert their scum meta, knowing that there are tight meta circles here with certain players having a good record of reading them?

I don’t have much of an opinion on who is wrong. But notscience certainly has a point that there are too many townreads being floated around for them all to be correct. I could be wrong but I’m pretty sure every slot has been reasonably townread this game by someone. This is not a desirable gamestate, in my opinion, and I think the meta townreads need to be rethunk.

-innocentvillager

agreed. also i feel sort of left out

[PlusJOYED]

fine. I feel like the kid at the drunken new years eve party on my birthday which I know pretty well
also your chapters don't work on mobile really at all

[PlusJOYED]

Yeah, Plus I think our main role is to kind of just tap on the glass dome from the outside and poke around. It’s a kind of strange game dynamic as either alignment that we just kind of have to make the best of.

I haven’t decided if it’s worth going into the meta myself to familiarize or not. The problem is it’s hard for me to determine which meta reads should be weighted seriously and which ones shouldn’t, especially when shouted with similar levels of confidence. I’m going to lean no, but I’m still kind of new at this kind of game.

-innocentvillager

im not going to personally look at meta of 8 years of games but it will impact my thoughts if many people in the meta circle agree on an alignment of someone based on meta

[PlusJOYED]

VOTE: Alisae

I noted in my notes that if Alisae is scum, they would fall for the bait eventually. You can check this post game.

april is weird

[PlusJOYED]

Bork my bigger issue is how many times it’s changed

yeah but this seems in line with April's style from what i can gather. im writing them off as a slot that will probably sort itself out later

[PlusJOYED]

It’s adding unnecessary layers to parse to a game that already has a ton.

Whatever. I’m fine clowning Ali today, I’m fine clowning Maria.

I don’t want to clown

Bulge
Bell
Bear
Bork
Morph

I’ll vote whoever else. Would rather not vote ss or muffin.

this

Why, what pinged you? fwiw, I don’t want to elim any of these 5 slots either.

Fine with eliming SS or Muffin though personally.

-innocentvillager

before i was pushing a muffin elim now im not sure; their tone changed and their solve attempts became more clear to me. Probably not day 1 at least

[PlusJOYED]

Cool. Everyone is aware tunnel has been softing since forever ago right?

wut
am i missing a secret code or

[PlusJOYED]

What town role does what

I could see a VT doing that

[PlusJOYED]

Bell- looks town. Very similar play to when we were town together. Particularly in approach to me, being very hands off.
Morph- Tonally and reviewing our entrance into the thread and dance w/ each other
Borkgiffy- gut. Helps you guys agree.
Bear- liked his early play and trusting your meta read (would be 2nd but doesn’t make sense to outrank you when I’m partially sheeping lol)
Bulge- I think his approach to this game feels like town bulge trying to solve things. I don’t have the little inkling voice in the back of my head about him.
Muffin- I’m leaning town? I still liked his early explanation for the townread on me and I haven’t hated anything he’s posted
Prism- liked his early trajectory wrt us
S_S- I’m not hating anything they’ve posted but they’re kinda easy to forget
Joyed-.
Maria- PoE
Ali- PoE/not noticing my scumread on both of them despite my response to them saying anyone scumreading both of them is prob scum is weird and makes me feel like they weren’t interested in scumhunting

I actually like this
VOTE: Joyed

this is a suprise

[PlusJOYED]

im still coming down from a trip but can you explain why you liked this reqdlist aliase but voted notsci for their readlist last time?

[PlusJOYED]

are you a gambler notty

Hell no

Pedit
See that list is weird

I’m at

Bell
Bulge
Bear
Morph
Remi

Muffin
S_S
Joyed

April
Ali
Maria
420

like okay ya maybe this could be scum ig

i really liked aliases opener but this recent swap is sus af to me. Ali i need an explanation for this change

[PlusJOYED]

i didn't
i said its what i would do if i replaced into a scumslot this game

[PlusJOYED]

you misrepping me here makes me even more sure that 420 is the correct kill today

[PlusJOYED]

im struggling to understand aliases recent push on me coming from town!aliase perspective. I don't recall them ever putting a SR on me until ST became sus of me (which I'd like elaborated since they never said why, but im guessing it's because they lack data on my meta comparatively to the others). Like they jumped on me to get attention away from them since most people expressed a SR on their slot? I don't get it. I also don't trust april trying to townblock me really either. I'd still prefer 420 elimed today since they're a liability at best and probs scum, but ali has gone down quite a bit recently in my eyes

[PlusJOYED]

@plusjoyed, question I feel like you’re using borrowed phrases/mannerisms from other players. Have you done that intentionally?

unintentional i didn't even know i was. I do have a tendency to do that irl though

[PlusJOYED]

i'll settle for an ali swap. Honestly looking back i still like their opener but i can see it being faked. After that it went pretty downhill, and while i still disagree with april on morph and 420, i can get behind the ali wagon

[PlusJOYED]

i really hope your not scum april...
UNVOTE: 420
VOTE: ali

[PlusJOYED]

I almost had the same reaction I had the last time you did that joy.

? i can't remember

[PlusJOYED]

ST i must've missed it, why did you vote maria instead of 420?

[PlusJOYED]

ah yes, confusion-inducing pagetops.

I forgot to mention that April rose. Perhaps like so?

morph
Bell, Bulge, +J, April
Tunnel, midwaybear
Muffin, Remilia, 420
Alisae, Maid Cafe

why is maid cafe below 420? i have them swapped atm

[PlusJOYED]

sorry i was away this weekend mostly.
rn after catching up i think im at:

town read: {Morph, bell}

townlean: {april, midway, SS}

weak townlean: {bulge}

weak scumlean: {ST, muffin}

scumlean: {remi, maria, aliase}

scumread: {420}
no reason i think to go over slots that didn't change since last time

April, after thinking it over, seems like he'd be taking a massive risk as scum to be provable and i don't think he'd be able to wiggle out of that as scum lategame, i've warmed up to him more but i still don't trust them fully, i mainly dislike the townblocks being formed, that seems to me like it'd just give a townblocked mafia a bunch of defense lawyers for no reason so I don't see the point

Bulge I disliked their early game but I've liked their more recent posts, they've been going up
some examples are their readlist (i love in depth readlists), 2765 (solid scumhunt question), 2323 (good scumhunt question), 2296 (poking holes in ideas), 2266 (exposing flaws), amd 2545 (good analysis) are posts I think are more likely to come from town!bulge.

St dropped from weak townlean to weak scumlean, and to be honest the only reason was my spot on the readlist. Everyone else had a bit of explanation but me and I asked for their reasoning and I don't recall them answering me; they seemed to dodge the question. The fact it started a wagon on me is also sus, there may have been some strings being pulled in mafia PT. But I admit this might be me being biased/omgussy cause its my slot so I only dropped them one slot. Still waiting on why they SR me.

Muffin has gone up a bit too for the same reason as bulge, I see a townier mindset from them now but i also can see scum!muffin.
posts I liked from muffin and think are more likely to come from town: 2201 (solid scumhunt question), 2133 (uncertainty), and 2014 (admitting flaws)

ali went way down for the switch on ST based on ST's readlist that made little sense and I feel like they voted me earlier to survive. I can see them being with 420 to try and divert the wagon off of 420 if 420 is red. I'm voting them over 420 atm because I want to apply pressure on that slot.

420 is an awful town liability at best and just scummy all around. I wasn't a fan of prism either. 420 is still my main preferred elim today but it's been clear to me that they aren't responding to pressure but I think ali will.

i'd prefer killing 420 or ali today mainly. In the event of near deadline and we need an elim I'd vote for any of my weak scumleans or scumleans too.

[PlusJOYED]

420 just did a prodge last time and has been in general unresponsive. Ali at least posts stuff so we could possibly get a better look into their head and get responses from ali which I don't think we'll get from 420.

[PlusJOYED]

also i'd like bulges thoughts on midway since he left it blank in his list

[PlusJOYED]

Unfortunately I haven't gotten the chance to do a proper scumgame on this website yet even though I'd really like to try it out. My last scumgame was 5 years ago when I first got into mafia, and from memory I was basically an agreeable log with 0 opinions, lurking a lot and going with the flow. I don't think that I'd go to that extreme if i rolled scum but I would be somewhat more passive I'm pretty sure.

[PlusJOYED]

How about you Bell? I only know you as obvtown bell so I'm not sure if you rolled scun if you'd be an akward goon or play the same. I don't wanna read meta but I trust you to be truthful since other metaheads could call you out.

[PlusJOYED]

townblocked mafia a bunch of defense lawyers for no reason so I don't see the point

Are you mafia and I’m giving you defense lawyers? I town read my town block over the course of 100 pages, it’s not from nothing.

townblock to me insinuates that everyone in that block should townread each other rather than being a cluster of one persons townreads, im not down for that

[PlusJOYED]

townblocked mafia a bunch of defense lawyers for no reason so I don't see the point

Are you mafia and I’m giving you defense lawyers? I town read my town block over the course of 100 pages, it’s not from nothing.

townblock to me insinuates that everyone in that block should townread each other rather than being a cluster of one persons townreads, im not down for that

It seems like that is the case based on everyone in it’s proposed reads minus Remelia-you.

what does this mean
also noted on the townblock stuff morph thanks

[PlusJOYED]

what im getting at is that i don't want to be shoved into a townblock with people i don't TR (rem mainly) and I don't want scum to get accidentally shoved into a townblock by mistake either and let them have greater control over wagons. That seems like a bad idea

[PlusJOYED]

for example, take a hypothetical scenario april. Say you have a townblock of 4 people (i think yours is me, april, remi and 1 other i can't remember). Let's say one of us is scum, and we get to a scenario where 3 wagons are on the table for the day based on common reads. Now lets also say 3 of those wagon options are town and 1 is scum. If your scum in a townblock, it becomes a lot easier to shift the wagon so your scumbuddy doesn't get hit by influencing the townblock your in to vote a certain way or sheep another wagon, and its harder for the scum to get caught because of confbias in the townblock. Doesn't that seem disadvantageous to give scum the extra influencing power?

[PlusJOYED]

*2 of those wagon options oops math

[PlusJOYED]

im mainly saying because i scumlean remi btw april

[PlusJOYED]

@Plus, what if his reads are right?
I was also thinking that Alisae was good for info, but I can’t remember why anymore.

then that's a small town benefit but I don't think it outweighs the potential benefits for a scum in a townblock

[PlusJOYED]

@Plus, what if his reads are right?
I was also thinking that Alisae was good for info, but I can’t remember why anymore.

i mean it's not perfect for into but they are more capable of giving info than 420 has shown to be

[PlusJOYED]

Vote Count 1.13

Day One!

Alisae (5):

April Ludgate, bell, plusJOYED, midwaybear, Maid Cafe (R-2)

plusJOYED (2):

Alisae, 420 Blaze It

maid cafe (1):

secret tunnel

Not Voting (5)

: zMuffinMan, Something_Smart, morph the cat, The Bulge, Remilia Scarlet

With 13 alive it takes 7 to Send to Rehab.

Deadline:

Friday, October 2 at 12:00 pm.

Countdown:

(expired on 2020-10-02 12:00:00)

Let me know if there are any errors, etc.

wow you guys went ham while i was away, catching up now
i wanna comment that it seems a lil weird that my 2 main scumreads are voting me, and I believe I expressed scumreads on both before they voted me. I don't know if that means anything though

[PlusJOYED]

The other is an unease at how you're interacting with PlusJoyed.

I am getting cold feet on plus. I think he has these weird moments of clarity like 1546 and 2937 that make me think he's thinking about the state of the game as April is presenting it and deciding it's undesirable (especially if April is incorrectly townreading me as +j apparently claims he is). He really has no reason to rock that boat if scum and April is snowed on him

On the other hand like his reasons are mostly "i thought x was towny/scummy and therefore they go up/down" and that just seems like a really easy way to just apply any reasoning to a slot that you want to.

But not agreeing on a read? I don't think we were on the same page early game w/ ST either -- why is that different?

I also don't really get the minimegabyte angle you were taking -- cabd knows exactly why I was scumreading that slot and I don't think it's at all relevant to this game so I was a little confused as to what you were even trying to ask me, which is the only interaction you and I really have had on this slot.

i like this post a bit. Me agreeing on a slot with you is purely chance, I explained my reason for moving ST down

[PlusJOYED]

The other is an unease at how you're interacting with PlusJoyed.

I am getting cold feet on plus. I think he has these weird moments of clarity like 1546 and 2937 that make me think he's thinking about the state of the game as April is presenting it and deciding it's undesirable (especially if April is incorrectly townreading me as +j apparently claims he is). He really has no reason to rock that boat if scum and April is snowed on him

On the other hand like his reasons are mostly "i thought x was towny/scummy and therefore they go up/down" and that just seems like a really easy way to just apply any reasoning to a slot that you want to.

But not agreeing on a read? I don't think we were on the same page early game w/ ST either -- why is that different?

I also don't really get the minimegabyte angle you were taking -- cabd knows exactly why I was scumreading that slot and I don't think it's at all relevant to this game so I was a little confused as to what you were even trying to ask me, which is the only interaction you and I really have had on this slot.

I can't really talk to Cabd's minimegabyte stuff, other than it's based on why HE gave minimeg some wiggle room as a player in the game and wanting to see if you thought he might be falling into the same error (I think. May have the nuance wrong).

Plusjoy's stances aren't super developed or nuanced. And his current style is coming out more and more as the game progresses. He's being townread by different cohorts in the game, not just single players but these townblocs that are swimming around in the thread. That's an enviable position for a scum player, though possibly scary to a new-ish on, and yet he's pushing it away in terms of cooperating with townreads. I feel like that comes from a town place in a newer player playing what's got to be a complicated game on a social level. It's complicated to me, and I revel in the player list for the most part.

I didn't really expect anyone to get the ST stuff because it's so buried in how notsci and I have interacted over a number of games in the becoming-distant past. What bothered me is not the kind of data that I think you use as data in games. I know zmuffin doesn't. The read has improved dramatically, based on notsci's posting since then. It will be interesting to see where our meta-trajectories go from this game onward.

pretty spot on with how im feeling morph. If I was scum I'd jump into the townblock in a heartbeat for reasons stated earlier; I don't buy April's idea that scum are easy to catch in a townblock. I'm also a little in the dark on the super developed meta stuff people have on each other, so I'm mainly choosing to look at meta less so I can be a second opinion on some of those slots that have been sorted due to meta, with the only slots im looking at meta on at all is somewhat bulge and bell, but on both of those I'm moreso seeing meta as a sidedish.

[PlusJOYED]

What do you make of Alisae's 2 letter response to E-1?

it doesn't make sense to me as scum
UNVOTE:
discuss

Opposite.

That seems like defeatism.

agree with morph here. don't rolepms have like lots of flavor?

[PlusJOYED]

actually hold on
i was thinking about this off and on and what it means for claiming

Mafia Members may make the factional nightkill in addition to any active abilities they have. Mafia Members have pre-written fakeclaims AND I will fabricate additional fakeclaims upon request. That being said, don't quote role PMs; paraphrasing is fine, don't quote, quoting makes my life harder and bullshitting much more difficult.

so if mafia have fake rolepms to use, I'm not sure just claiming vt raw would make sense as scum unless it's wifom. I don't know how good the flavor is on the provided fakeclaims, but I'm assuming that since they are most likely written by the same guy who did the initial rolepms, they'd probably be pretty good to use. And if they are strong, I'd think that it'd make most sense for mafia to post as much of the fakeclaim as they can for towncred.

[PlusJOYED]

It was vanilla frosting and it wasn’t very good cake. Party was slightly touching tho.
Alisae implied they wouldn’t claim a power role earlier if they had flipped on that position I would have been screaming from the rooftops to get them eliminated.

As for whether I believe the vanilla claim. The answer is in the frosting.
It wasn’t very good cake.

when was this?

[PlusJOYED]

Alisae and Morph straight up set that up.

i think your jumping to conclusions again

[PlusJOYED]

ScumAlisae has a fighting chance still, and e knows it.

TownMe doesn’t have strong enough backup this early.

What???????

Like, why would I wait till I get to L-1 to start fighting back? It makes no sense why not just avoid the situation in general.

I believe you are back to L-3, thank’s the the Morph voting stunt

i thought they were at l2 after morph unvoted

[PlusJOYED]

random note: i think beeboy absolutely hates being scum and likes being town

and i don't believe '100 pages' is the reason he's not participating yet, or that he just joined to be a voice in mariar's head if they're town

i don't know beeboy but this seems compelling
i also was a little doubtful at joining for PT hydra interactions being why beeboy joined

[PlusJOYED]

sometimes i read plusjoyed posts and imagine it comes from like an AI who's at like gen 50 of a neural network learning process that's being fed mafia posts

???

[PlusJOYED]

It was vanilla frosting and it wasn’t very good cake. Party was slightly touching tho.
Alisae implied they wouldn’t claim a power role earlier if they had flipped on that position I would have been screaming from the rooftops to get them eliminated.

As for whether I believe the vanilla claim. The answer is in the frosting.
It wasn’t very good cake.

when was this?

sometimes i read plusjoyed posts and imagine it comes from like an AI who's at like gen 50 of a neural network learning process that's being fed mafia posts

Sorta, I think he’ll become readable though

SvS reads like a theater if the death tunnel in the policy vote

what does this mean
also hi

[PlusJOYED]

Alisae and Morph straight up set that up.

i think your jumping to conclusions again

Again? I don’t think this slot has EVER jumped to conclusions before. Stating truisms isn’t the same thing as jumping to conclusions. Maybe YOU’RE jumping to conclusions, Pluribus ver 50.1

-innocentvillager

your screwing up my training data stop

[PlusJOYED]

broooooo chill. I'm still down to elim ali (my vote hasn't changed). I'm just thinking why they claim VT here

[PlusJOYED]

if it's AtE it's not working since I'm just puzzled not sympathetic