The Red Wedding - The Goose is Loose

[Desperado]

Really excited that Andrius needed a replacement.

I had planned on keeping up with this game but haven't been able to. Summary please?

[Desperado]

Last fake dayvig I saw came from scum. Metal Sonic's attempt here looks no better. Someone is going to have to link me to some games with town fake dayvigging before I consider him as town.

Venmar's Nexus case is good. Like really good. Like, I'ma sheep it good.

Vote: Nexus

I'm also going to add to it.

Spoiler: Nexus' idea of scumhunting

I like this wagon.

UNVOTE: macmollie
VOTE: Generic

Bad

And ain't I the popular one :p

A down day and I now am lead wagon

Bad

Quick question, Tierce -- why aren't you voting me?

This made me uncomfortable

wait

did my two scummies and join date two years prior to you fool you?

I'm not offended at all -- it's a valid question, though way off base. I'm not new to mafia in the slightest, though I don't pretend to be t3h best player evar.

More likely, you are new to MS meta, because the townhunting comment is pretty straightforward and common.

Full town cases are, in fact, terrible, and that's also a pretty standard opinion. Many people here actually believe that sharing townreads at all is something you shouldn't do.

So I return the question to you: how new to mafia games are YOU?

This made me uncomfortable on initial read, re-read showed me I had missed context so nvm.

All 3 of his posts give me bad vibes.

I usually come across as scum when I'm town. I play on another site and my scum survival rate is 100%, but my town survival rate is probably like 5%. And then I say these types of things that make my situation even worse

@BROseidon- What makes Nacho seem off to you?

Metal Sonic is seriously bothering me. He jumps on the early wagon and then doesn't even bother to say anything after. But because of this he is probably town.

Generic is coming across as frustrated townie so... UNVOTE: Generic
And Ankamius is probably town.

Wow. Bad.

Yeah no I smell scum screwing up,

Vote: KillerApple

Easy jump. Reck pointed it on, you went straight on that wagon. +100000 sp

The additional case reckoner has begun to poke apple with is even more concerning. I'm not encouraged by apples responses to what seem decent points. And post 150 is a hand waving away of it without looking like he is reacting in a negative way to a momentum gaining wagon.

vote killerapple

You seem to be attempting to hold a measure of control under pressure but you aren't effectively answering the points raised against you, it's vague and dismissive.

Lol I have no control. I will most likely be lynched. The points raised against me are pretty stupid considering I would never be so careless as scum. But I might as well shut my mouth because this post will also be used against me in some way.

Trying to offset your scumminess by daring us to lynch also isn't going to work BZZZZZZZZZZZZT

How about this? I

triple dog dare you.

Trying to decide whether this is cocky scum or cocky town. I'm leaning the former now.

Btw, Reck is the most town person here.

vote KillerApple

NEVERMIND

all three have lurking tendencies, so I think they're doing their lurking tendency thing.

I call 'em like I see 'em. I checked Bro's games and he doesn't strike me as the lurking type (in the Newbie you two actually played together he posted like every day). Neither does CDB in the games I checked.

Guess, it's a matter of opinion then whether they're laying low (don't act as if scum never do that) or just lurking for other reasons.

If you are going to use meta, at least use it right.

Posting on phone

The Apple guy just called me scum when I had only 1 post at rvs? How does that even happen

VOTE: killerapple

Btw I finished all 9 pages yeah I'm up to scratch

And your opinion is?

I'd be happy with a lynch on Apple or Sonic. I would like to see more from CDB, and I feel that Nacho is town.

Oh my god, just die, take a crossbow to the face or something.

Why don't you just use your scum powers to NK me? I know you're scum, and I'm not moving this vote.

This is a fucking awful fucking post

Oh my god, just die, take a crossbow to the face or something.

Why don't you just use your scum powers to NK me? I know you're scum, and I'm not moving this vote.

This is a fucking awful fucking post

I agree, I hate them.

it was almost as terribad as your #224

Thanks. It's not quite as bad as your vote on me though. That was fucking spectacular.

I'm not particularly interested in your reasons, since I know you're wrong. It's not me you have to convince, it's everyone else.

I'm more interested to know why you dislike KA's posts, are happy to call them bad, yet won't help to lynch them, instead preferring to go after me.

I'm not particularly interested in your reasons, since I know you're wrong. It's not me you have to convince, it's everyone else.

I'm more interested to know why you dislike KA's posts, are happy to call them bad, yet won't help to lynch them, instead preferring to go after me.

I find Metal Sonic less obnoxious so personally would prefer to see Venmar.

Do you notice a theme? Everyone he attacks, he attacks for either being bad, doing bad things, or making him uncomfortable. #298 in particular seems to be a nice summation of Nexus' theory of scumhunting: "I'm more interested to know why you dislike KA's posts, are happy to call them bad, yet won't help to lynch them, instead preferring to go after me."

And yet, look at this quote from #501 again: "Need to look at the reactions, but anyone saying MS has to be scum is probably stupid.

Bad, yes, scum, i'd say not.

"

Come again? You've made it abundantly clear that bad = scum. What did Metal Sonic do that differentiates his brand of bad from KillerApple and macmollie?

[Desperado]

Mollie, Andrius contacted me several hours before I actually replaced in. That looks like 100% confirmation bias to me.

[Desperado]

Mollie, Andrius contacted me several hours before I actually replaced in. That looks like 100% confirmation bias to me.

that is a different situ desp cos yours was a game flake while apple quit cos she got caught in a lie

can you appreciate the difference?

I don't think you understand what I meant. You said you didn't believe that he had caught up that fast and implied it had reinforced your scumread.

I was telling you that your accusation doesn't necessarily hold because it assumes he had no knowledge prior to replacing.

And while I do appreciate the differences I also think it's a little arrogant to assume that you are the reason they quit. They weathered a lot more heat earlier in the game without quitting.

[Desperado]

have you even read the game desp? cos right now I am thinking no. or at least not fully. you just kinda sheeped onto venny's case on nexus and blustered about how you were sheeping to begin with.

Every page.

Yeah,I sheeped Venny's case because it's really good, and then did a bit of scumhunting of my own.

I'm not really why you're being so hostile here. I wasn't defending him, I was calling out your bad logic. You insinuated he was lying about having caught up (and was scummy for it) when I had reason to believe that he had been contacted before a replacement was needed.

What do you think about what happened with metal?

[Desperado]

Desperado's jump is horrific.

Really? That's your response to what I said? Maybe you missed it.

I'm also going to add to it.

Do you notice a theme? Everyone he attacks, he attacks for either being bad, doing bad things, or making him uncomfortable. #298 in particular seems to be a nice summation of Nexus' theory of scumhunting: "I'm more interested to know why you dislike KA's posts, are happy to call them bad, yet won't help to lynch them, instead preferring to go after me."

And yet, look at this quote from #501 again: "Need to look at the reactions, but anyone saying MS has to be scum is probably stupid. Bad, yes, scum, i'd say not."

Come again? You've made it abundantly clear that bad = scum. What did Metal Sonic do that differentiates his brand of bad from KillerApple and macmollie?

[Desperado]

have you even read the game desp? cos right now I am thinking no. or at least not fully. you just kinda sheeped onto venny's case on nexus and blustered about how you were sheeping to begin with.

Every page.

Yeah,I sheeped Venny's case because it's really good, and then did a bit of scumhunting of my own.

I'm not really why you're being so hostile here. I wasn't defending him, I was calling out your bad logic. You insinuated he was lying about having caught up (and was scummy for it) when I had reason to believe that he had been contacted before a replacement was needed.

What do you think about what happened with metal?

if fakeclaiming was not an accepted form of practice on this site I would say lynch it with fire.

but the way he went about it was clumsy and not well thought out. it makes me think that he is town but mac has a different take on it in that he thinks that cornered scum will do something that peeps normally pass for town as a means for desperate cover. and yeah, in the way metal went about it is sorta damning.

BUT. that is what gives me pause. scum fakeclaims are usually much better crafted but with a seasoned player they can appear flawless. metal's didn't. so the only scum motivation behind steamrolling a claim when he was going down would be if he thought amrun was a special and he wanted to offer up his scum team a tasty treat to nk.

I didn't get that from the way he went about it but I could be wrong.

xpost: cabd no, mac will look me and vice versa. probably the only way you will be able to tell us apart is when we use the other's name in a post.

I'm leaning more towards mac's take right now. I've seen scum use it just the way he describes and this example was even worse.

[Desperado]

Not a hope in hell. Zero. Nada.

I don't get it. Your meta read on Nexus is so strong that you aren't even going to address the points raised against him?

[Desperado]

Why didn't you spring for him instead of sheep Venmar, then?

The situation was still playing itself out, and because my only direct experience was with scum doing it, but I'm willing to consider it a bad town gambit if someone can provide some meta (mollie mentioned several).

Can you explain how Nexus entered your hard townpile?

[Desperado]

Mollie have you considered the possibility that KillerApple, not being familiar with what is commonly acceptable to include in a "meta" read, mistakenly included the ongoing games?

You were reading them as newbtown, correct? So are you saying that this new piece of newbtown evidence is actually so egregious that it's verged back into scum evidence?

[Desperado]

Oversoul fake dayvigged me in Maf.Maiden. He was a freaking idiot Town. End of story and end of "you will have to link me this or I will

call Metal Sonic scum

", Desperado. That threat reeked of pork sausage.

Why did you use quotes if you weren't going to reproduce my words exactly? And then use italics on some of them as if they were really incriminating when I never said them?

Here's what I actually said:

Last fake dayvig I saw came from scum. Metal Sonic's attempt here looks no better. Someone is going to have to link me to some games with town fake dayvigging before I consider him as town.

It wasn't a threat, it was a statement of fact. Metal is scum for me until further notice. One example of Oversoul (a serial town liar, it would appear) fake claiming and some snark added is not going to convince me that metal's behavior was town motivated.

[Desperado]

sorry I'm not keeping up with an internet forum mafia game when I have real life shit going down, my bad, I'll make sure it doesn't happen any more, real life be damned

[Desperado]

I think I might honestly be okay with a nexus lynch

Sweet. What did you think about his completely out of proportion self-meta defense?

@ Venmar: Why'd you jump ship so quickly? Your case was good and his initial response was really bad...he took one line from your whole post, tried to cast suspicion on everyone else who did the same thing he did, and tried to say that you writing the case was scummy because you weren't looking at other people too (it didn't make sense the first time, either).

I'm going to remind everyone how inconsistent Nexus' scumhunting has been:

Last fake dayvig I saw came from scum. Metal Sonic's attempt here looks no better. Someone is going to have to link me to some games with town fake dayvigging before I consider him as town.

Venmar's Nexus case is good. Like really good. Like, I'ma sheep it good.

Vote: Nexus

I'm also going to add to it.

Spoiler: Nexus' idea of scumhunting

I like this wagon.

UNVOTE: macmollie
VOTE: Generic

Bad

And ain't I the popular one :p

A down day and I now am lead wagon

Bad

Quick question, Tierce -- why aren't you voting me?

This made me uncomfortable

wait

did my two scummies and join date two years prior to you fool you?

I'm not offended at all -- it's a valid question, though way off base. I'm not new to mafia in the slightest, though I don't pretend to be t3h best player evar.

More likely, you are new to MS meta, because the townhunting comment is pretty straightforward and common.

Full town cases are, in fact, terrible, and that's also a pretty standard opinion. Many people here actually believe that sharing townreads at all is something you shouldn't do.

So I return the question to you: how new to mafia games are YOU?

This made me uncomfortable on initial read, re-read showed me I had missed context so nvm.

All 3 of his posts give me bad vibes.

I usually come across as scum when I'm town. I play on another site and my scum survival rate is 100%, but my town survival rate is probably like 5%. And then I say these types of things that make my situation even worse

@BROseidon- What makes Nacho seem off to you?

Metal Sonic is seriously bothering me. He jumps on the early wagon and then doesn't even bother to say anything after. But because of this he is probably town.

Generic is coming across as frustrated townie so... UNVOTE: Generic
And Ankamius is probably town.

Wow. Bad.

Yeah no I smell scum screwing up,

Vote: KillerApple

Easy jump. Reck pointed it on, you went straight on that wagon. +100000 sp

The additional case reckoner has begun to poke apple with is even more concerning. I'm not encouraged by apples responses to what seem decent points. And post 150 is a hand waving away of it without looking like he is reacting in a negative way to a momentum gaining wagon.

vote killerapple

You seem to be attempting to hold a measure of control under pressure but you aren't effectively answering the points raised against you, it's vague and dismissive.

Lol I have no control. I will most likely be lynched. The points raised against me are pretty stupid considering I would never be so careless as scum. But I might as well shut my mouth because this post will also be used against me in some way.

Trying to offset your scumminess by daring us to lynch also isn't going to work BZZZZZZZZZZZZT

How about this? I

triple dog dare you.

Trying to decide whether this is cocky scum or cocky town. I'm leaning the former now.

Btw, Reck is the most town person here.

vote KillerApple

NEVERMIND

all three have lurking tendencies, so I think they're doing their lurking tendency thing.

I call 'em like I see 'em. I checked Bro's games and he doesn't strike me as the lurking type (in the Newbie you two actually played together he posted like every day). Neither does CDB in the games I checked.

Guess, it's a matter of opinion then whether they're laying low (don't act as if scum never do that) or just lurking for other reasons.

If you are going to use meta, at least use it right.

Posting on phone

The Apple guy just called me scum when I had only 1 post at rvs? How does that even happen

VOTE: killerapple

Btw I finished all 9 pages yeah I'm up to scratch

And your opinion is?

I'd be happy with a lynch on Apple or Sonic. I would like to see more from CDB, and I feel that Nacho is town.

Oh my god, just die, take a crossbow to the face or something.

Why don't you just use your scum powers to NK me? I know you're scum, and I'm not moving this vote.

This is a fucking awful fucking post

Oh my god, just die, take a crossbow to the face or something.

Why don't you just use your scum powers to NK me? I know you're scum, and I'm not moving this vote.

This is a fucking awful fucking post

I agree, I hate them.

it was almost as terribad as your #224

Thanks. It's not quite as bad as your vote on me though. That was fucking spectacular.

I'm not particularly interested in your reasons, since I know you're wrong. It's not me you have to convince, it's everyone else.

I'm more interested to know why you dislike KA's posts, are happy to call them bad, yet won't help to lynch them, instead preferring to go after me.

I'm not particularly interested in your reasons, since I know you're wrong. It's not me you have to convince, it's everyone else.

I'm more interested to know why you dislike KA's posts, are happy to call them bad, yet won't help to lynch them, instead preferring to go after me.

I find Metal Sonic less obnoxious so personally would prefer to see Venmar.

Do you notice a theme? Everyone he attacks, he attacks for either being bad, doing bad things, or making him uncomfortable. #298 in particular seems to be a nice summation of Nexus' theory of scumhunting: "I'm more interested to know why you dislike KA's posts, are happy to call them bad, yet won't help to lynch them, instead preferring to go after me."

And yet, look at this quote from #501 again: "Need to look at the reactions, but anyone saying MS has to be scum is probably stupid.

Bad, yes, scum, i'd say not.

"

Come again? You've made it abundantly clear that bad = scum. What did Metal Sonic do that differentiates his brand of bad from KillerApple and macmollie?

I know Nexus read it because he said my jump was "horrific," but he never answered my question. Probably because he can't.

[Desperado]

Nexus is town, be better

Yeah I heard you say that the first four times. Do you have anything new to add to the conversation or would you like to needlessly reiterate your townread on Nexus again?

[Desperado]

If I had accepted you as the arbiter of which lynches may or may not be viable today I would consider entertaining your opinion on whether me pursuing a scumread were pro-town or not.

But I haven't. So unless you're going to attempt to justify Nexus' inconsistencies for him, can we just take your protestation of his wagon as a given and forgo your incessant, toothless naysaying?

[Desperado]

OK

My point is that I'll be the judge of how silly it would be to pursue Nexus' lynch as soon as he addresses what I asked of him.

[Desperado]

That attitude doesn't make you look like determined town in the way you want it to.

That's a shame...I put a lot of work into it.

Venmar: Why, because CBD says so? I don't understand how you put that much effort into a case and then just tossed it aside without anything even approaching a legitimate response from Nexus.

[Desperado]

No, because everyone says so ( if not said directly then it's painfully obvious ).

Just because i'm not on his wagon doesn't mean I still don't STRONGLY believe him to be scum, it's just a bad time to push his lynch when there's no support for it whatsoever at the moment, that should be the end of the argument. And I did respond to Nexus, FTR.

I just don't understand this. Mollie has already supported the wagon and voted with it, and outside of Nacho and CDB I really don't see all of the "painfully obvious" distaste for a Nexus lynch that you do. Can you show it to me?

And I know you responded to him, but he didn't respond back (you might even say, he ignored it), and two days later you unvoted because the wagon was going nowhere. How can you expect it to gain traction when you aren't even invested in it?

You let him off the hook for no discernible reason, even though you just now told me that you STRONGLY believe him to be scum.

[Desperado]

cdb isn't advocating a town lynch he wants metal vigged.

pretty sure cdb has his vote on someone he thinks is scum and I am tempted to vote desp too cos desp is a strong player I think and in this game I am not seeing it and it makes me sad

I asked you a question earlier, you ignored it. Here:

Sweet. What did you think about his (Nexus') completely out of proportion self-meta defense?

What aren't you seeing?

[Desperado]

hhhhmmm....

hey nacho the deadline is on the 9nth

wat's the date

jesus christ

Why don't you want to talk to me mollie?

[Desperado]

Do you think Reck is capable of faking that? I don't see the scum motivation for blatantly not reading, especially after multiple people tried to correct his mistakes.

I agree about Nacho's Dekes push, but he's ignoring me too and I have no idea what he was doing in 874...at first it seemed like he was defending Generic (in particular, "Sheeping has been flying around all over this game. Why is Generic's sheeping the worst?") but then he says "But all in all, Generic's been sheeping and agreeing a shit ton more than he should be at this point so I'm interested in that." ??? I don't get it.

I also don't understand how you could go from rightfully harassing metal about claiming his role name to townreading him after he retracts his vig claim entirely. Can you talk about that some more?

Auroros and inHim are two slots that I have no opinion on whatsoever.

I like what I've seen from tsunami (mostly Tammy I guess?) and CDB. #335 screams town to me, and CDB's constant naysaying on the Nexus case has actually swung all the way back to towntelling...I would have expected scumCDB to try and justify his read beyond meta at this point.

I'm not ready to let go of Nexus yet, but if I did I would probably help the metal wagon along. 468-470 are not town posts...I just don't see how a town player would even consider that as a proper reaction to what was happening.

[Desperado]

Unvote: Nexus
Vote: Metal

I'll be coming back to Nexus tomorrow, though, no matter what Metal flips, because this:

Spoiler: Nexus' idea of scumhunting

I like this wagon.

UNVOTE: macmollie
VOTE: Generic

Bad

And ain't I the popular one :p

A down day and I now am lead wagon

Bad

Quick question, Tierce -- why aren't you voting me?

This made me uncomfortable

wait

did my two scummies and join date two years prior to you fool you?

I'm not offended at all -- it's a valid question, though way off base. I'm not new to mafia in the slightest, though I don't pretend to be t3h best player evar.

More likely, you are new to MS meta, because the townhunting comment is pretty straightforward and common.

Full town cases are, in fact, terrible, and that's also a pretty standard opinion. Many people here actually believe that sharing townreads at all is something you shouldn't do.

So I return the question to you: how new to mafia games are YOU?

This made me uncomfortable on initial read, re-read showed me I had missed context so nvm.

All 3 of his posts give me bad vibes.

I usually come across as scum when I'm town. I play on another site and my scum survival rate is 100%, but my town survival rate is probably like 5%. And then I say these types of things that make my situation even worse

@BROseidon- What makes Nacho seem off to you?

Metal Sonic is seriously bothering me. He jumps on the early wagon and then doesn't even bother to say anything after. But because of this he is probably town.

Generic is coming across as frustrated townie so... UNVOTE: Generic
And Ankamius is probably town.

Wow. Bad.

Yeah no I smell scum screwing up,

Vote: KillerApple

Easy jump. Reck pointed it on, you went straight on that wagon. +100000 sp

The additional case reckoner has begun to poke apple with is even more concerning. I'm not encouraged by apples responses to what seem decent points. And post 150 is a hand waving away of it without looking like he is reacting in a negative way to a momentum gaining wagon.

vote killerapple

You seem to be attempting to hold a measure of control under pressure but you aren't effectively answering the points raised against you, it's vague and dismissive.

Lol I have no control. I will most likely be lynched. The points raised against me are pretty stupid considering I would never be so careless as scum. But I might as well shut my mouth because this post will also be used against me in some way.

Trying to offset your scumminess by daring us to lynch also isn't going to work BZZZZZZZZZZZZT

How about this? I

triple dog dare you.

Trying to decide whether this is cocky scum or cocky town. I'm leaning the former now.

Btw, Reck is the most town person here.

vote KillerApple

NEVERMIND

all three have lurking tendencies, so I think they're doing their lurking tendency thing.

I call 'em like I see 'em. I checked Bro's games and he doesn't strike me as the lurking type (in the Newbie you two actually played together he posted like every day). Neither does CDB in the games I checked.

Guess, it's a matter of opinion then whether they're laying low (don't act as if scum never do that) or just lurking for other reasons.

If you are going to use meta, at least use it right.

Posting on phone

The Apple guy just called me scum when I had only 1 post at rvs? How does that even happen

VOTE: killerapple

Btw I finished all 9 pages yeah I'm up to scratch

And your opinion is?

I'd be happy with a lynch on Apple or Sonic. I would like to see more from CDB, and I feel that Nacho is town.

Oh my god, just die, take a crossbow to the face or something.

Why don't you just use your scum powers to NK me? I know you're scum, and I'm not moving this vote.

This is a fucking awful fucking post

Oh my god, just die, take a crossbow to the face or something.

Why don't you just use your scum powers to NK me? I know you're scum, and I'm not moving this vote.

This is a fucking awful fucking post

I agree, I hate them.

it was almost as terribad as your #224

Thanks. It's not quite as bad as your vote on me though. That was fucking spectacular.

I'm not particularly interested in your reasons, since I know you're wrong. It's not me you have to convince, it's everyone else.

I'm more interested to know why you dislike KA's posts, are happy to call them bad, yet won't help to lynch them, instead preferring to go after me.

I'm not particularly interested in your reasons, since I know you're wrong. It's not me you have to convince, it's everyone else.

I'm more interested to know why you dislike KA's posts, are happy to call them bad, yet won't help to lynch them, instead preferring to go after me.

I find Metal Sonic less obnoxious so personally would prefer to see Venmar.

Do you notice a theme? Everyone he attacks, he attacks for either being bad, doing bad things, or making him uncomfortable. #298 in particular seems to be a nice summation of Nexus' theory of scumhunting: "I'm more interested to know why you dislike KA's posts, are happy to call them bad, yet won't help to lynch them, instead preferring to go after me."

And yet, look at this quote from #501 again: "Need to look at the reactions, but anyone saying MS has to be scum is probably stupid.

Bad, yes, scum, i'd say not.

"

Come again? You've made it abundantly clear that bad = scum. What did Metal Sonic do that differentiates his brand of bad from KillerApple and macmollie?

Is either scum protecting a buddy or scum whiteknighting town. There is absolutely no reason, given Nexus' own comments in this game, why he isn't voting Metal right now.

[Desperado]

Yes that was probably the worst reads list I've ever seen.

I have an opinion on Auroros' slot now. It's not good.

[Desperado]

Notice how Desperado put Metal Sonic at Lynch-1 after I explicitly declared intent to hammer and implied lack of interest in a claim, though.

Notice what about it? I've intended to vote Metal literally since my first post. I've spent my other time trying to get Nexus to answer my questions (or you, even) but have been rebuffed at every turn.

What should I have done instead a day before the deadline? Just kept my vote uselessly on Nexus?

[Desperado]

To be frank I don't really care what he claims. He's already fakeclaimed once. Are we supposed to trust him when he claims FOR REALZ this time?

[Desperado]

Notice how Desperado put Metal Sonic at Lynch-1 after I explicitly declared intent to hammer and implied lack of interest in a claim, though.

I am in mafia love with desperado and it pains me to say that he is not giving me the warm fuzzies this game, at least not yet.

what do you think of av

Could be that I replaced in. Don't worry, they'll come--especially once we lynch Nexusscum. I'm sure you'll get the warm fuzzies then.

[Desperado]

Vote: Nexus

[Desperado]

Desperado, care to explain that naked vote?

Venmar offers a couple of choices for discussion, you leap on one? And why that one, is the other your teammate?

Lets take a step back here and assess what happened. Am I right in assuming both died cos one died? And with nacho listed first was he the night kill that led to both dying? It's useful in the search back for clues, who did nacho suspect or if it was aurorus I need to search there.

What the hell?

Read my ISO and tell me that I'm just leaping on Venmar's choices for discussion. This post was lazy as fuck.

[Desperado]

Generic, what happens to day 1 reads after n1?

Lazy as fuck? Like your naked vote then straight after venmars post.

Easy assumption, why do I have to do homework just because you can't be bothered?

What are you even talking about?

This is me hounding Nexus since D1 about his contradictory townread on Metal Sonic.

I guess the saying really is true.

[Desperado]

I feel really really good about CDB-town after last night's short reread.

Desperado has reason to vote for Nexus, but his eager jump is interesting to say the least, I wanted discussion not a vote.

My vote didn't have anything to do with you or what you said.

The day has begun, why are you still posting without voting someone? You have suspects, what are you waiting for?

[Desperado]

Are we talking about desp? If so my response to him explained that. A naked vote means shit all to me when I was t following him. Even a simple 'my opinions haven't changed from yesterday, vote player x'.

But naked votes feel lazy to me. Just me view

I made multiple posts yesterday referencing why I was voting Nexus yesterday that were scattered throughout the last 500 posts. I don't think it's outrageous to expect the other players to have an understanding of my position on Nexus right now, with the basic assumption that they are paying even a little bit of attention to the game.

[Desperado]

Hey Generic...why did you call me out for my naked vote if you weren't actually interested in the motivation for it? You seriously just wanted me to say "for all of the reasons I said yesterday..." as if that wouldn't be implied in the first place?

What are your thoughts on Nexus' townread of Metal yesterday?

[Desperado]

Hey Generic...why did you call me out for my naked vote if you weren't actually interested in the motivation for it? You seriously just wanted me to say "for all of the reasons I said yesterday..." as if that wouldn't be implied in the first place?

What are your thoughts on Nexus' townread of Metal yesterday?

As I keep pointing out desperado, just because you made the points on day 1 doesn't mean I saw them. In case you hadn't noticed I was a little preoccupied on day 1 with matters of my own.

On that, I will have to have a read back, because depending on how they sound in and out of context it will either be town genuinely looking past the moronic attitude to see town tells on ms or it will have been white knighting... I shall Iso now and see what I make of it.

Yeah yeah I get that, but now you know why I was voting Nexus, and you haven't done anything with it. The conversation just sort of...ended. So why did you call me out on my vote if you didn't plan on following through once you received the information you were looking for?

About nexus, He never goes all out on the 'MS is town' comments, they feel light and fairly genuine. Town reading town is what I would say based on those comments.

I agree that context is important, so why did you ignore the broader context of Nexus' previous treatment of "bad players?" He clearly thinks that bad = scum, and yet Metal's brand of bad was somehow town.

I think the contradiction is scum motivated. What do you think?

[Desperado]

What I mean is bad posts does not equal bad player. Bad posts can come from good players, if they're scum.

This seems like an arbitrary distinction. So back to my original question:

What did Metal Sonic do that differentiates his brand of bad from KillerApple and macmollie?

[Desperado]

Mollie are you scum this game? You asked me if we could compare notes and I gave them to you, but you never followed up on it and now you're ignoring me again.

Nexus: Just saying "oh the dayvig he was town!!!" isn't going to satisfy me. His gambit was objectively bad and you still haven't explained how it was different from the other examples of bad play = scum.

[Desperado]

Mollie are you scum this game? You asked me if we could compare notes and I gave them to you, but you never followed up on it and now you're ignoring me again.

that you are even asking me this is why you are in the unsure/need to sort pile. and I believe I did respond I am still waiting for you to start town telling like you promised you would.

No, you didn't. I checked.

And I have to ask that because your townreads are disappointing and I can't towntell if you aren't interested in talking to me.

Now either quote your response to #892 or get to it.

[Desperado]

Specifically I don't get the amrun/generic/nexus hard townreads

[Desperado]

okay if he thinks that then why the fuck would he point it out if he thinks it is even a remote possibility

Because when we get rid of everyone that's roled, town wins.

what the fuck is this

[Desperado]

Mollie are you scum this game? You asked me if we could compare notes and I gave them to you, but you never followed up on it and now you're ignoring me again.

that you are even asking me this is why you are in the unsure/need to sort pile. and I believe I did respond I am still waiting for you to start town telling like you promised you would.

No, you didn't. I checked.

And I have to ask that because your townreads are disappointing and I can't towntell if you aren't interested in talking to me.

Now either quote your response to #892 or get to it.

That's a very arrogant statement there desperado.

That reads as you holding macmollie to ransom of suspicion until she follows your line of thought for the game.

I have no idea what you're saying that I did. Can you explain it some more?

PEdit: I didn't ask you questions. You asked me to compare notes, I responded, and you never mentioned it again.

Now you're voting me because I want to continue a conversation that you cut short?

[Desperado]

erm, that was on d1, a lynch happened and so did nks when you come to me with something new then I will respond. I am not going to go back and answer questions when there is new info on the table for us to digest. do you know who does not take in new info but harps on unanswered questions while not doing anything to progress their reads? scum that is who.

Like this is so far removed from what's going on that I can't help but assume you don't even know what I'm talking about.

[Desperado]

hhhhmmm....

hey nacho the deadline is on the 9nth

wat's the date

jesus christ

Why don't you want to talk to me mollie?

hhhhmmm....

hey nacho the deadline is on the 9nth

wat's the date

jesus christ

Why don't you want to talk to me mollie?

I am sorry desp.

you asked me about nexus but I am really only loosely seeing him as scummy. it is something I want to discuss with mac cos he has a stronger scum read but weirdly I trust cdb's read on him cos I think he would say that as any alignment. does that make sense?

I think he has reacted badly but reacting badly does not a scum make. especially if they feel they are being attacked for dumb reasons and I get the impression that is where he is coming from. it was also either late at night or early morning for him. I do pay attention to posting times. I don't like that obtaining a list was like pulling teeth and I don't like that he is not really doing much but I am thinking it might be a playstyle thing. he will only be able to do for this for so long.

he is tweaking mac's scumdar all over the map so he is in the firm unsure need to sort pile.

I think metal is probably town but I doubt I will get a nacho lynch. and god do I want one. but I am looking at the playerlist and going by herd mentality said itt no it is not going to happen.

I had amrun as scum but she looked good going after metal for the reasons that she gave. but that is it. so unsure and will revisit as to why I thought she was scummy.

nacho is pushing dekes okay I almost want to play the lynch and see what happens cos I am not getting what I really need from nacho and that might help if dekes flips scum.

reck plummeted from town to scummy with his not reading the game. <----- bad reck BAD

cabd backed off then went to some convention and who knows. I hope to get something from him. he makes apple slot look better I think.

tierce and nacho - what the hell was that it smelled like scum theatre to me. nacho was blatantly posturing with his whole "^scum" posts but with no follow up or a push or a vote. I guess he (pretending he is town for a moment) that saying that would somehow...make her shake and shiver and meltdown I guess? I mean why do it if you are not wanting them to crack and not willing to vote them. she didn't crack btw. still wonder about her cos she and nacho are fosing each other but the whole narrative falls flat.

so can we compare notes other than nexus? cos I would like to. I feel like there are a lot of people are hanging back.

Do you think Reck is capable of faking that? I don't see the scum motivation for blatantly not reading, especially after multiple people tried to correct his mistakes.

I agree about Nacho's Dekes push, but he's ignoring me too and I have no idea what he was doing in 874...at first it seemed like he was defending Generic (in particular, "Sheeping has been flying around all over this game. Why is Generic's sheeping the worst?") but then he says "But all in all, Generic's been sheeping and agreeing a shit ton more than he should be at this point so I'm interested in that." ??? I don't get it.

I also don't understand how you could go from rightfully harassing metal about claiming his role name to townreading him after he retracts his vig claim entirely. Can you talk about that some more?

Auroros and inHim are two slots that I have no opinion on whatsoever.

I like what I've seen from tsunami (mostly Tammy I guess?) and CDB. #335 screams town to me, and CDB's constant naysaying on the Nexus case has actually swung all the way back to towntelling...I would have expected scumCDB to try and justify his read beyond meta at this point.

I'm not ready to let go of Nexus yet, but if I did I would probably help the metal wagon along. 468-470 are not town posts...I just don't see how a town player would even consider that as a proper reaction to what was happening.

This is what I'm talking about. Why are you getting so hostile?

[Desperado]

It's more like "Mollie are you scum because you pretended you wanted to engage with me but then never did and are now voting me for wanting to engage with you and I can't towntell you with that attitude."

Compare mollie's attitude towards me in #890 vs #1191. She was perfectly ready to powwow with me, I immediately responded, she never responded back, and now I'm tyrin to re-engage and she immediately votes me because she thinks I was asking her to answer D1 questions when I clearly wasn't?

[Desperado]

lol, desp omg I wanna play every game with you if you are this easy to read

you gonna adress my point about what are your new thoughts in the d2 round or are you going to try to push that lame pathetic point of me not responding to what you said on d1? I mean really?

and you saying I am...hostile? omg god the lulz cos I think there some people who might know me in this game who know that I am not being hostile.

lol

I mean I am really smiling and chuckling to myself you are terrible at this.

You went from apologizing for ignoring me with a hug smiley to voting me for wanting to talk to you (after ignoring me again). It was a drastic change in disposition with no catalyst.

And I'm terrible at what exactly?

[Desperado]

It's more like "Mollie are you scum because you pretended you wanted to engage with me but then never did and are now voting me for wanting to engage with you and I can't towntell you with that attitude."

Compare mollie's attitude towards me in #890 vs #1191. She was perfectly ready to powwow with me, I immediately responded, she never responded back, and now I'm tyrin to re-engage and she immediately votes me because she thinks I was asking her to answer D1 questions when I clearly wasn't?

where are you wanting me to engage with you on d2? and I am voting you cos you are fosing me for not responding to your d2 post and that is exactly what you are doing. it is right here in the thread.

quick, you and inhim spam up the thread so that this will get buried and mebbe people won't notice.

I am going to push this lynch until he is lynched so guess who you get to meet desp:

Recap:

Mollie ignores me D1
I ask her why
She apologizes, writes a huge post of notes, and asks to compare
I respond in kind
She never brings it up again
Mollie ignores me some more D2 (not a single mention in her individualized questions post)
I FOS her for pretending like she wanted to engage me with but then not following through
She votes me because I'm asking her to answer D1 questions

---

What am I terrible at mollie?

[Desperado]

desp you are terrible at playing scum that is what you are terrible at.

you are fosing me for "ignoring" you, but d1 was over and done and I see nothing new that you have posted on d2 for me to respond to and you are calling me scummy for it and trying to paint some nefarious intention around it.

mebbe you ought to go and think about that for a minute

No comments on the back and forth between Generic and I at daystart?

And you're missing the point. You asked me to compare notes, and I did, and then the conversation just ended. You didn't seem like you were still trying to sort me out in #890, so what changed?

[Desperado]

Also, your insistence on saying that I'm easy to read when you've never seen my alignment is troubling, and the last thing that I am is terrible at playing scum.

@ inHim: That isn't a case.

[Desperado]

Was that something noteworthy then desperado? I know in mafia everything gets analysed but that amounted to three fifths of fuck all in the end. I enquired on something mildly scummy in isolation, you countered with the reason,

I accepted that it made sense.

What mare can be gained from that?

It's more like you just dropped it until I asked you why you called my vote out if you weren't actually interested in examining the reasoning, the same way you ignored this post:

Hey Generic...why did you call me out for my naked vote if you weren't actually interested in the motivation for it? You seriously just wanted me to say "for all of the reasons I said yesterday..." as if that wouldn't be implied in the first place?

What are your thoughts on Nexus' townread of Metal yesterday?

As I keep pointing out desperado, just because you made the points on day 1 doesn't mean I saw them. In case you hadn't noticed I was a little preoccupied on day 1 with matters of my own.

On that, I will have to have a read back, because depending on how they sound in and out of context it will either be town genuinely looking past the moronic attitude to see town tells on ms or it will have been white knighting... I shall Iso now and see what I make of it.

Yeah yeah I get that, but now you know why I was voting Nexus, and you haven't done anything with it. The conversation just sort of...ended. So why did you call me out on my vote if you didn't plan on following through once you received the information you were looking for?

About nexus, He never goes all out on the 'MS is town' comments, they feel light and fairly genuine. Town reading town is what I would say based on those comments.

I agree that context is important, so why did you ignore the broader context of Nexus' previous treatment of "bad players?" He clearly thinks that bad = scum, and yet Metal's brand of bad was somehow town.

I think the contradiction is scum motivated. What do you think?

So you cared enough to call out my vote on Nexus and implicate me as Amrun's partner as a result, but not enough to actually discuss my read on Nexus. Why?

[Desperado]

I do not like Desperado's case. (stick that in your pipe, macmollie )

then mebbe you will be able to eke out some town cred by voting him cos

I don't think we are seeing town desp here

it will buy you some time I guess

Tell me more about what town desperado is like, mollie, and which games you're using to found the meta read.

[Desperado]

Because I have a hunch that you're just talking out of your ass right now.

[Desperado]

what changed is that you opportunistically jumped on me by shadowing inhim's push with really retarded reasons

You're going to have to walk me through this because I have no idea what you're talking about.

[Desperado]

Unvote: Nexus
Vote: macmollie

That response was horrific. You didn't answer my question because you can't. I have 4 completed town games on MS--Pokemon was abandoned D2, Curse of Peladon only lasted 6 pages, and I died N1 in House of Cards.

So you're either basing your meta read entirely on my play in WWE, or you're talking out of your ass, because otherwise there's no way for you to know what Town Desp looks like. So which is it? And why couldn't you just answer my question the first time rather than dodging it with whatever ^^^ that is?

[Desperado]

I do not like Desperado's case. (stick that in your pipe, macmollie )

then mebbe you will be able to eke out some town cred by voting him cos

I don't think we are seeing town desp here

it will buy you some time I guess

Tell me more about what town desperado is like, mollie, and which games you're using to found the meta read.

Because I have a hunch that you're just talking out of your ass right now.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

scum flail spotted itt

your post don't come from a town POV

town posts >>>> town motivation >>>> town motivated posts

explain the town motivation in your posts.

*anticipates aTe*

Unvote: Nexus
Vote: macmollie

That response was horrific. You didn't answer my question because you can't. I have 4 completed town games on MS--Pokemon was abandoned D2, Curse of Peladon only lasted 6 pages, and I died N1 in House of Cards.

So you're either basing your meta read entirely on my play in WWE, or you're talking out of your ass, because otherwise there's no way for you to know what Town Desp looks like. So which is it? And why couldn't you just answer my question the first time rather than dodging it with whatever ^^^ that is?

Quoting them so there's no confusion.

[Desperado]

A town aligned Frey? What?

Ummmmmm so yeah we should lynch Nexus or Amrun, discuss.

I didn't misrep you, and what do you mean I have a "paranoia issue?"

[Desperado]

And even now you're dodging the questions. Why are you going out of your way to not to talk about Nexus?

[Desperado]

You have a paranoia issue desperado. Is that panic or do you just have no big leads and are flapping?

And triple post, but you want to talk about a misrep...

We're talking about my Nexus lead right now! Or at least I am, as long as you refuse to do so.

[Desperado]

So when I stop voting Nexus the lead goes away?

Yes, the case on Nexus revolves around his ISO being filled with scumreads that come from players doing bad things, but then Metal Sonic does the objectively Most Bad Thing of D1, but Nexus says he's bad but town? It's a scum motivated contradiction.

I don't even know what you're implying in your last line. I can't even commit to the vote? How do you figure that?

And please explain how that's me OMGUSing mollie when I started the conversation by FOSing her, and she is pretty blatantly making up her meta read on me? She's approaching me as if she knows what town desperado looks like but there's really no way for her to know that for sure. You know how else I know she hasn't actually researched my meta? She thinks I'm terrible at playing scum.

[Desperado]

lol, desp omg I wanna play every game with you if you are this easy to read

you gonna adress my point about what are your new thoughts in the d2 round or are you going to try to push that lame pathetic point of me not responding to what you said on d1? I mean really?

and you saying I am...hostile? omg god the lulz cos I think there some people who might know me in this game who know that I am not being hostile.

lol

I mean I am really smiling and chuckling to myself you are terrible at this.

desp you are terrible at playing scum that is what you are terrible at.

you are fosing me for "ignoring" you, but d1 was over and done and I see nothing new that you have posted on d2 for me to respond to and you are calling me scummy for it and trying to paint some nefarious intention around it.

mebbe you ought to go and think about that for a minute

I do not like Desperado's case. (stick that in your pipe, macmollie )

then mebbe you will be able to eke out some town cred by voting him cos I don't think we are seeing town desp here

it will buy you some time I guess

These three posts very clearly are saying "I know Desperado's meta, and this is not town Desperado."

Your opinion on my meta (that this isn't town-me and that I am terrible at playing scum) are impossible to support and spectacularly wrong, respectively.

So why are you lying about your meta on me mollie?

[Desperado]

Metal Sonic does the objectively Most Bad Thing of D1,

Do you consider all fake day kills the objectively most BAD THING OF DAY 1?

Because if you do you're probably dumb.

It caused discussion and generated activity. So yeah.

The only thing it accomplished was getting him lynched. Can you point to some good discussion and activity that it generated?

PEdit: Generic, are you saying that I can't have multiple reads? I don't understand what you're criticizing exactly. I haven't even come close to abandoning it, what gave you that idea

And what is "convenient" about it? I started poking her with suspicious intent (that's what scumhunting is) and because she immediately voted me I no longer get to vote her without it being labeled OMGUS? What do you consider her vote?

[Desperado]

So when I stop voting Nexus the lead goes away?

Yes, the case on Nexus revolves around his ISO being filled with scumreads that come from players doing bad things, but then Metal Sonic does the objectively Most Bad Thing of D1, but Nexus says he's bad but town? It's a scum motivated contradiction.

I don't even know what you're implying in your last line. I can't even commit to the vote? How do you figure that?

And please explain how that's me OMGUSing mollie when I started the conversation by FOSing her, and she is pretty blatantly making up her meta read on me? She's approaching me as if she knows what town desperado looks like but there's really no way for her to know that for sure. You know how else I know she hasn't actually researched my meta? She thinks I'm terrible at playing scum.

well if you flip scum I will have a baseline won't I

and I like to think that I am not retarded at this game and can sometimes spot scum w/o any meta at all.

want proof? sometimes it is early, sometimes it is late and sometimes never at all

you look scummy desp

That isn't what you said. You said "this is not town desp." Meaning you know what town desp looks like and this isn't it.

You

clearly

implied you were using meta to establish your read and are now backtracking.

[Desperado]

DO YOU CONSIDER ALL FAKE DAY KILLS TO BE OBJECTIVELY THE MOST BAD THING OF DAY 1?

It allows us to see who jumped on him as a mislynch, how people reacted to the Daykill etc.

You're just being obstinate now.

I don't see how the question is relevant. In this game it was the most objectively bad thing D1.

So it's a better brand of bad because it got reactions? Can you quote the best three analyses of those reactions for me?

[Desperado]

lol, desp omg I wanna play every game with you if you are this easy to read

you gonna adress my point about what are your new thoughts in the d2 round or are you going to try to push that lame pathetic point of me not responding to what you said on d1? I mean really?

and you saying I am...hostile? omg god the lulz cos I think there some people who might know me in this game who know that I am not being hostile.

lol

I mean I am really smiling and chuckling to myself you are terrible at this.

desp you are terrible at playing scum that is what you are terrible at.

you are fosing me for "ignoring" you, but d1 was over and done and I see nothing new that you have posted on d2 for me to respond to and you are calling me scummy for it and trying to paint some nefarious intention around it.

mebbe you ought to go and think about that for a minute

I do not like Desperado's case. (stick that in your pipe, macmollie )

then mebbe you will be able to eke out some town cred by voting him cos I don't think we are seeing town desp here

it will buy you some time I guess

These three posts very clearly are saying "I know Desperado's meta, and this is not town Desperado."

Your opinion on my meta (that this isn't town-me and that I am terrible at playing scum) are impossible to support and spectacularly wrong, respectively.

So why are you lying about your meta on me mollie?

those 3 posts are saying I think I have sense of your personality.

and that isn't why I am scumreading you. it has to do with your posts not striking me as town.

But you only have a sense of my personality from ongoing games, so why are you using that to make determinations on my alignment?

You said "I am so easy to read" when you do not have a baseline whatsoever.

[Desperado]

No,

every

fake dayvig is not objectively the most bad thing. The only other time I've seen it was from scum and it ended up getting them daykilled--obviously a win.

But in this game, Metal's fake dayvig was the worst thing anyone did.

[Desperado]

And you obviously knew that, Nexus, so I don't really understand why you beat around the bush.

[Desperado]

Metal Sonic does the objectively Most Bad Thing of D1,

Do you consider all fake day kills the objectively most BAD THING OF DAY 1?

Because if you do you're probably dumb.

It caused discussion and generated activity. So yeah.

The only thing it accomplished was getting him lynched. Can you point to some good discussion and activity that it generated?

PEdit: Generic, are you saying that I can't have multiple reads? I don't understand what you're criticizing exactly. I haven't even come close to abandoning it, what gave you that idea

And what is "convenient" about it? I started poking her with suspicious intent (that's what scumhunting is) and because she immediately voted me I no longer get to vote her without it being labeled OMGUS? What do you consider her vote?

You flit though from so tunnelled over it I must make comment on it cos you demanded it so, to considering macmollie the utter threat.

Which is the stronger case you have desperado?

I'm sorry, are we at the deadline or something? It honestly sounds like you're "accusing" me of scumhunting.

Neither case is even close to complete.

@ Mollie: because I was reading you as town and I feel confident about my ability to catch mac if you guys rolled scum anyway.

[Desperado]

COME @ ME BRO.

but seriously desp I can't fathom out why you are voting us. like I can see mollie's point a bit on why she thinks you may be scum but your reason is like "U CANT META ME" and that's it. let me read a bit deeper but I want you to talk to me desp. not to mollie about this, but to me. she'll probably keep grilling you but if you talk to me I feel like there's a high chance we can establish our alignments together. if you think you can see scum-me then come and drink tea with me and realise that whatever you feel about mollie will all wash away with me. kinda like i'm a masseuse and she's the bitchy receptionist you hate.

what do you think the scum motivation is behind mollie's vote/reasoning? and can you not see the town motivation there?

It's a powerful read and she appears to feel pretty strongly about it but my town meta is practically nonexistent and she has my scum meta completely wrong--that means she was lying when she said "This isn't town desp" because she has no idea what town desp looks like. I don't see any town motivation for making up a meta read, can you help me?

why does it matter if you only have 4 games as town. that's enough to get a good read on someone? like I'm pretty sure you are saying you can catch me as scum because of WWE but that's one game. and by your logic, four games isn't enough and therefore you can't meta me. it's kinda hypocritical of you to suggest you can catch me but when mollie suggests it the other way round you get all up on your high horse and tell her she can't.

1) I was actually in WWE with you. Mollie and I have no completed games together.
2) Like I explained, while I have "4" completed town games, one was abandoned D2, another only lasted 6 pages (ask Tierce if you want to hear that story, she can probably tell it better), and I died N1 in the third. So when the only completed town game I have is WWE, and she is totally wrong about me being terrible at playing scum, I am forced to assume that she didn't actually research my meta, which means she's basing her meta read on ongoing games that do not include a flip from me, which means she made it up.

you know what the main issue I have with this entire saga between you and mollie? is that as soon as she says "this isn't townDesp" you get all SUPER DEFENSIVE and tell her she can't meta read you and THEREFORE she is lying scum.

But she can't meta me, and she is lying. I'd actually say I was getting...offensive. Because she lied.

it's a bit telling. the more I talk to myself in my head the more scummy you are to me. the thing that gets me most is that

you aren't trying to prove to mollie this is town desperado, you are trying to prove she can't read town Desperado.

through all of this, this is what stands out the most. this, I feel, is the least town motivated thing I've seen throughout the argument.

If I don't disabuse her of her incorrect presumptions first how can I ever hope to actually towntell to her? She's already decided that she isn't seeing town desperado based on illegitimate reasons, so I'm taking care of that first.

mollie might not be willing to sit this one out and chat Desp but I am. you think you can find me as scum easily? see me for my true alignment then.

At the very least this post looks absolutely, positively nothing like you from WWE. So that's a start.

[Desperado]

what do you think the scum motivation is behind mollie's vote/reasoning? and can you not see the town motivation there?

It's a powerful read and she appears to feel pretty strongly about it but my town meta is practically nonexistent and she has my scum meta completely wrong--that means she was lying when she said "This isn't town desp" because she has no idea what town desp looks like. I don't see any town motivation for making up a meta read, can you help me?

you don't seem to be grasping that as soon as you have completed a town game, you have town meta. mollie evidently feels she has some reason to believe that you aren't playing like you have in these games. i'm going to ask her about this and try and clear the air a bit cos I feel like it's muddied down in "he said, she said" kinda territory. I can't imagine that she's just made this up out of thin air: she has no reason too.

And you don't seem to be grasping that she also thinks I'm terrible at playing scum when I'm not. If she thinks I'm scum because she researched my my completed games and I'm not playing to my town meta, surely she would have also checked my scum meta, right?

And if she's basing it on WWE why hasn't she mentioned that yet? Why, when I asked her which games she used to conclude that this is not Town Desp, was this her response?

I do not like Desperado's case. (stick that in your pipe, macmollie )

then mebbe you will be able to eke out some town cred by voting him cos

I don't think we are seeing town desp here

it will buy you some time I guess

Tell me more about what town desperado is like, mollie, and which games you're using to found the meta read.

Because I have a hunch that you're just talking out of your ass right now.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

scum flail spotted itt

your post don't come from a town POV

town posts >>>> town motivation >>>> town motivated posts

explain the town motivation in your posts.

*anticipates aTe*

why does it matter if you only have 4 games as town. that's enough to get a good read on someone? like I'm pretty sure you are saying you can catch me as scum because of WWE but that's one game. and by your logic, four games isn't enough and therefore you can't meta me. it's kinda hypocritical of you to suggest you can catch me but when mollie suggests it the other way round you get all up on your high horse and tell her she can't.

1) I was actually in WWE with you. Mollie and I have no completed games together.
2) Like I explained, while I have "4" completed town games, one was abandoned D2, another only lasted 6 pages (ask Tierce if you want to hear that story, she can probably tell it better), and I died N1 in the third. So when the only completed town game I have is WWE, and she is totally wrong about me being terrible at playing scum, I am forced to assume that she didn't actually research my meta, which means she's basing her meta read on ongoing games that do not include a flip from me, which means she made it up.

1) is true about about me and you being in WWE. the second sentence is pretty irrelevant
2) again, it does not matter whether the game last 6, 60 or 600 pages. basing this entirely off assumption, you died n1 means you must have been doing something right and been pretty town. also you trainwrecked us in wwe. you are good as town, and really useful.

perhaps mollie is trying to put across the idea that you are not being so useful in this game (which is kinda the feeling I'm getting). perhaps she's not. perhaps you have a towntell. I will talk to her in time.

I was good in WWE and I got killed in House of Cards because my ability was known (closed setup) and very dangerous to the scum.

I was definitely NOT good in Curse of Peladon or Pokemon.

And again, why is it that you have to answer this? Why did she completely avoid talking about which games she used, and in fact imply that she wasn't giving a meta read at all? Here:

So when I stop voting Nexus the lead goes away?

Yes, the case on Nexus revolves around his ISO being filled with scumreads that come from players doing bad things, but then Metal Sonic does the objectively Most Bad Thing of D1, but Nexus says he's bad but town? It's a scum motivated contradiction.

I don't even know what you're implying in your last line. I can't even commit to the vote? How do you figure that?

And please explain how that's me OMGUSing mollie when I started the conversation by FOSing her, and she is pretty blatantly making up her meta read on me? She's approaching me as if she knows what town desperado looks like but there's really no way for her to know that for sure. You know how else I know she hasn't actually researched my meta? She thinks I'm terrible at playing scum.

well if you flip scum I will have a baseline won't I

and I like to think that I am not retarded at this game and can sometimes spot scum w/o any meta at all.

want proof? sometimes it is early, sometimes it is late and sometimes never at all

you look scummy desp

lol, desp omg I wanna play every game with you if you are this easy to read

you gonna adress my point about what are your new thoughts in the d2 round or are you going to try to push that lame pathetic point of me not responding to what you said on d1? I mean really?

and you saying I am...hostile? omg god the lulz cos I think there some people who might know me in this game who know that I am not being hostile.

lol

I mean I am really smiling and chuckling to myself you are terrible at this.

desp you are terrible at playing scum that is what you are terrible at.

you are fosing me for "ignoring" you, but d1 was over and done and I see nothing new that you have posted on d2 for me to respond to and you are calling me scummy for it and trying to paint some nefarious intention around it.

mebbe you ought to go and think about that for a minute

I do not like Desperado's case. (stick that in your pipe, macmollie )

then mebbe you will be able to eke out some town cred by voting him cos I don't think we are seeing town desp here

it will buy you some time I guess

These three posts very clearly are saying "I know Desperado's meta, and this is not town Desperado."

Your opinion on my meta (that this isn't town-me and that I am terrible at playing scum) are impossible to support and spectacularly wrong, respectively.

So why are you lying about your meta on me mollie?

those 3 posts are saying I think I have sense of your personality.

and that isn't why I am scumreading you. it has to do with your posts not striking me as town.

^That's why me and mollie not having any completed games is relevant. She backtracks and says she "has a sense of my personality" that can only come from ongoing games (so it's not relevant and never was, rendering her "This is not town desp" comment empty).

you know what the main issue I have with this entire saga between you and mollie? is that as soon as she says "this isn't townDesp" you get all SUPER DEFENSIVE and tell her she can't meta read you and THEREFORE she is lying scum.

But she can't meta me, and she is lying. I'd actually say I was getting...offensive. Because she lied.

she can. I can. everyone in this game can meta you.

I'll rephrase. Mollie didn't meta me but pretended that she did, and then backtracked later when I called her out on being completely wrong.

it's a bit telling. the more I talk to myself in my head the more scummy you are to me. the thing that gets me most is that

you aren't trying to prove to mollie this is town desperado, you are trying to prove she can't read town Desperado.

through all of this, this is what stands out the most. this, I feel, is the least town motivated thing I've seen throughout the argument.

If I don't disabuse her of her incorrect presumptions first how can I ever hope to actually towntell to her? She's already decided that she isn't seeing town desperado based on illegitimate reasons, so I'm taking care of that first.

again I must point to the fact you can be meta'd. I don't know why you seem adamant you cant. the only way you couldn't is if you had never been town but the fact remains you have and I really don't like the way you are staunchly refusing the fact that mollie is using a meta read on you.

Mollie's meta read was fake. She made it up. If she had actually researched my games like she originally implied there is no way she would have come to the conclusions that she did. When I asked what games she used, she blatantly avoided the question and then claimed that she wasn't using meta at all. This is why I'm voting her.

[Desperado]

Say it's rubbish if you want, but when I read this post:

I do not like Desperado's case. (stick that in your pipe, macmollie )

then mebbe you will be able to eke out some town cred by voting him cos I don't think we are seeing town desp here

it will buy you some time I guess

My immediate reaction was call bullshit on her meta read:

I do not like Desperado's case. (stick that in your pipe, macmollie )

then mebbe you will be able to eke out some town cred by voting him cos

I don't think we are seeing town desp here

it will buy you some time I guess

Tell me more about what town desperado is like, mollie, and which games you're using to found the meta read.

Because I have a hunch that you're just talking out of your ass right now.

Her first reaction was this:

I do not like Desperado's case. (stick that in your pipe, macmollie )

then mebbe you will be able to eke out some town cred by voting him cos

I don't think we are seeing town desp here

it will buy you some time I guess

Tell me more about what town desperado is like, mollie, and which games you're using to found the meta read.

Because I have a hunch that you're just talking out of your ass right now.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

scum flail spotted itt

your post don't come from a town POV

town posts >>>> town motivation >>>> town motivated posts

explain the town motivation in your posts.

*anticipates aTe*

If she wasn't using meta in her read, why did she say ^that and not the explanation she gave 20 posts later after I called her on it (which is still not very good but at least better than outright lying)?

[Desperado]

So when I stop voting Nexus the lead goes away?

Yes, the case on Nexus revolves around his ISO being filled with scumreads that come from players doing bad things, but then Metal Sonic does the objectively Most Bad Thing of D1, but Nexus says he's bad but town? It's a scum motivated contradiction.

I don't even know what you're implying in your last line. I can't even commit to the vote? How do you figure that?

And please explain how that's me OMGUSing mollie when I started the conversation by FOSing her, and she is pretty blatantly making up her meta read on me? She's approaching me as if she knows what town desperado looks like but there's really no way for her to know that for sure. You know how else I know she hasn't actually researched my meta? She thinks I'm terrible at playing scum.

well if you flip scum I will have a baseline won't I

and I like to think that I am not retarded at this game and can sometimes spot scum w/o any meta at all.

want proof? sometimes it is early, sometimes it is late and sometimes never at all

you look scummy desp

lol, desp omg I wanna play every game with you if you are this easy to read

you gonna adress my point about what are your new thoughts in the d2 round or are you going to try to push that lame pathetic point of me not responding to what you said on d1? I mean really?

and you saying I am...hostile? omg god the lulz cos I think there some people who might know me in this game who know that I am not being hostile.

lol

I mean I am really smiling and chuckling to myself you are terrible at this.

desp you are terrible at playing scum that is what you are terrible at.

you are fosing me for "ignoring" you, but d1 was over and done and I see nothing new that you have posted on d2 for me to respond to and you are calling me scummy for it and trying to paint some nefarious intention around it.

mebbe you ought to go and think about that for a minute

I do not like Desperado's case. (stick that in your pipe, macmollie )

then mebbe you will be able to eke out some town cred by voting him cos I don't think we are seeing town desp here

it will buy you some time I guess

These three posts very clearly are saying "I know Desperado's meta, and this is not town Desperado."

Your opinion on my meta (that this isn't town-me and that I am terrible at playing scum) are impossible to support and spectacularly wrong, respectively.

So why are you lying about your meta on me mollie?

those 3 posts are saying I think I have sense of your personality.

and that isn't why I am scumreading you. it has to do with your posts not striking me as town.

No she isn't.

Look mac. Mollie said "this isn't town desp." I

immediately

asked her if she was using a meta read. If she wasn't, why didn't she just say "no."?

Why did she say I'm "terrible at playing scum" as if she had a good baseline for that statement when it's

completely wrong

?

[Desperado]

What did she mean when she said "I want to play every game with you, you are so easy to read" if she wasn't talking about our ongoing games? How would she know I'm easy to read if she's never gotten a flip out of me?

[Desperado]

Mac, the quote that you bolded was her 2nd reaction, which came after I voted her for her initial reaction. I brought this up myself so why are you pretending like you just caught me or something?

[Desperado]

Order of events:

Mollie says I am "so easy to read" and "terrible at this" and that "this isn't town desp."
All three of these quotes imply that she has meta on me, so I ask her what it is and how she came to those conclusions.
Mollie ignores the question, calls it scum flail, and then demands I point out the town motivation in my posts.
I vote her for lying about her meta read and then deflecting the question when I asked which games she used.
Mollie ignores my response but responds to something dekes said. She has now had two chances to tell me that she is not using meta.
I reiterate that those three quotes clearly implied

to me

that she was using meta and ask why she lied. If mollie were town, there is absolutely no reason why it had to get this far to get her to say she wasn't using meta.
Finally mollie says that "she can spot scum w/o using meta at all."
I point out her contradiction.
Mollie counters by saying that those three posts are saying she "has a sense of my personality." A sense based solely, as she has just admitted, which begs the question: why bring this up at all? Her sense of my personality has

nothing

to do with my alignment.

The entire interaction was awful and your attempt to be like "THIS WHOLE THING IS A FUCKING ILLUSION OMGGGGGGG" is a seriously crazy approach to take if you had actually intended on diffusing the situation. Because honestly this just looks like an attempt to further antagonize, which says to me that the sincerity you tried to show at the start of your first post was fake. You give a pretty shitty massage.

@Amrun: No I'm not. You can't tell me I'm wrong about something that I felt. I felt like mollie was using bad meta on me and made it explicitly clear that that was my position. Rather than simply saying "Nope, wasn't using meta" mollie antagonized the shit out of me in 1224 for no reason. What was the town motivation there?

[Desperado]

"A sense based solely

on ongoing games

, as she has just admitted..."

[Desperado]

None of those need to imply meta. It can all come from this game, from a player with an arrogant read.

That's not what you're saying, that she "antagonized you" whether you were right or wrong. Just like 3 posts ago you said she should be lynched because she was lying about meta on you.

Why is antagonizing someone scummy? (It isn't.)

Why did she say "I want to play with you in every game" if she wasn't meaning to include games other than this?

She was lying, until I asked her she was lying and she said it actually wasn't meta, it was just her saying she has a sense of my personality. You will never be able to convince me that she was not referring to ongoing games when she said that.

Antagonizing someone who you perceive to be factually wrong about something is scummy because a town response would have been "You are wrong, I am not using meta." Not the stream of consciousness cliche fest that she actually posted.

[Desperado]

Because she did? Nothing implies other games there. Taking a "you can't convince me I'm wrong" stance doesn't really make you seem like you care about the truth of the matter, which is that you're blatantly fucking wrong, so wrong, in fact, that you shouldn't need it explained to you. You're making patty cakes in the sky with your doppleganger, and you're arguing with him.

If I didn't care about the truth

why did I ask her what games she was using in the first place?

[Desperado]

So when I stop voting Nexus the lead goes away?

Yes, the case on Nexus revolves around his ISO being filled with scumreads that come from players doing bad things, but then Metal Sonic does the objectively Most Bad Thing of D1, but Nexus says he's bad but town? It's a scum motivated contradiction.

ms did not do the most objectively bad thing day one. People day VIG for reaction tests. They're bad and they're silly, and they most likely come from town than scum. He didn't own up to it when he should and that was bad. So, you know what he probably did the worst thing to do, but he didn't do the scummiest thing. It's exactly why some of us fought the lynch because he was obvtown while doing it, bad town, but obvtown.

And that's fine, but those other people who fought the lynch hadn't established through their play in this game that bad = scum.

[Desperado]

I've said everything I needed to say about the subject, yeah.

[Desperado]

Amrun's involvement in our argument was off because he was essentially bashing the shit out of me for no reason ("You are so obviously wrong that it shouldn't even need to be explained to you...except I'm going to anyway, whether I'm involved in the discussion or not.") and then he said tammy's summary of events was "perfect" when on sum it was sympathetic to my point of view.

[Desperado]

The desp vs macmollie bitch slapping text really messed the flow. Where are we at? Still no dekes, I still can't decide if desp vs macmollie is town vs scum or town vs town.

And yeah that's where I'm at.

Desperado and macmollie, what is your read on dekes?

I didn't have one. I'll get back to you once Smudger moves the needle one way or the other.

desperado - going on a desp diet for the mo, but I find it weird that he misunderstood what I was saying that much. I did like however his "wtf?" when inhim tried to justify his rolefishing by "oh at the end of the game you want only vts alive cos that is how town wins" cos I mean really, wtf? anybody who remotely thinks that is town motivated should probably fall on their sword or something it will be the only way they can regain their honour.

It was the comment about "you're so easy to read" and "this isn't town desp." Both of those read to me like you were basing your read on more than just this game. I've already squashed it in my head.

inhim - rolefishing, he isn't scumhunting I mean he is sneakily sneaking around in very sneaky ways and everyone is letting him get away with it. he promised something flashy and shiny and I am still waiting for it. nacho had bro guy as scum and I understand why; bro's play in this game was very very different than in xeno. I think it bugged nacho that bro trusted my reads over his but there is a good reason for that i.e. xeno. so I didn't see it as scummy, but there are some things that he did that made me go a little hhhhmmm. but inhim is really scumming up that slot. he is in the upper tier of my scum list.

I think CDB put it best when he called him weird. inHim is clearly playing by a different set of rules, and not necessarily alignment wise. I'd probably compromise on him at deadline but Nexus is much scummier.

nexus - I think he might have been eaten by direwolves or something I mean where did he go. he also isn't doing much so back to unsure but I am trusting cdb on this.

Why? CDB's read is "I know he's town because I know."

And Nexus asking me "Is a fake dayvig ALWAYS the worst thing?" when he knew damn well what the answer would be doesn't make any sense to me. His responses to my questions weren't very satisfying either.

tierce/tsunami - not liking either of them tbh. I don't buy for a second that nacho was just trolling tierce. I mebbe he was just poking for a reaction but I don't like how they are both dismissing it and trying to ride on nacho's town read on them. tierce bugs me more than tammy.

I feel really good about tammy being town. What's the scum motivation for her assessment of our argument? Not only did she read it, she had a reasonable and concise interpretation that calmed everyone down and moved the game forward. I don't lean either direction on tierce.

generic - I think he is probably town but he is whiny.

Do you think it could be whiny scum? Of the people who complained about our argument I think his contribution was scummiest. And I still don't like his treatment of my Nexus vote early in the day.

Speaking of which,

Unvote
Vote: Nexus

[Desperado]

I will talk with mac about nexus but his earlier kerfuffle with mac felt townish. and you may not understand it (I really don't know) but I do about being able to read certain players with absolute certainty cos of how much experience you have with them. that is why I am trusting his read for now.

/shrug

I think there are a lot of flaws with that sort of read but I doubt I'll be able to disabuse either of you of it so I guess it's not really worth it to explain any further. Suffice it to say, I disagree.

As for inHim...yeah he did.

inHim: Can you explain your hard townreads on Generic and Nexus?

[Desperado]

I will talk with mac about nexus but his earlier kerfuffle with mac felt townish. and you may not understand it (I really don't know) but I do about being able to read certain players with absolute certainty cos of how much experience you have with them. that is why I am trusting his read for now.

/shrug

I think there are a lot of flaws with that sort of read but I doubt I'll be able to disabuse either of you of it so I guess it's not really worth it to explain any further. Suffice it to say, I disagree.

As for inHim...yeah he did.

inHim: Can you explain your hard townreads on Generic and Nexus?

[Desperado]

they are not hard town reads. my hard town reads are cabd, amrun and cdb.

didn't I just explain my read on nexus? :/

generic it is the way he handled himself with metal but I do not like his amnesiac moments where he seemed to have forgotten that I started the dekes wagon yet at the time he was questioning it but now seems to want to vaguely support it.

That question was directed at inHim...

[Desperado]

Nexus, you said that Metal's fake dayvig was townbad because it got reactions and generated discussion. I'd like to see what you think were the most fruitful reactions that it got and analyze them. Because from my POV all it did was get him lynched.

And my main issue is that you spent the entire game pointing out "bad" things and calling people scum for them, but then metal does something bad and he's magically town without any further explanation. If you thought his fake dayvig was good for generating discussion and analyzing reactions...why didn't you do any of that yesterday? Why did you call metal town and sit on the sidelines while he got strung up?

[Desperado]

Spoiler: WALL OF QUOTES--NEXUS' END OF DAY

When was the last time a Dayvig was actually a real thing and it was public? I'm struggling to remember.

Need to look at the reactions, but anyone saying MS has to be scum is probably stupid. Bad, yes, scum, i'd say not.

No. I'm not going to either, because I don't do reads list.

Well, I don't see why I should change my style of play just to suit you so.

I can, if you are really desperate, give you a list of 3 town imo and then a vague idea of scum, but I haven't got enough scum reads solidified yet.

That is also my usual solution to people whining about wanting reads - i'll do a minor compromise.

town - tierce, cdb, dekes

scum - probably KA, venmar and idk

I feel like Nexus far too easily flips his reads upon light of a claim.

Isn't this what most people do?

Surely you should be saying this about everyone who unvoted when KA claimed? They're changing their reads in light of a claim. Particularly those who jumped on a different wagon straightaway.

The rest of your post is just you saying things that I can't particularly argue against, and using my scum game as Breaking Bad is cute but this is the way I've spent the last year or so playing, scum or town so.

The fact that you're absolutely adamant that I'm scum, and wasted your time making that post, but don't seem to be looking at other candidates is worrying.

Desperado's jump is horrific.

I would like to discuss the merits of scum/town replacing out at some point, but either way it's a dick move by KA, and it only serves to cause more confusion.

Newbie game where I insult people and am confident and right and TOWN

Upick game where I insult people and am sort of confident and TOWN

Blablah aggressive and TOWN

Aggressiveish and SCUM OMG

Lurky as fuck and SCUM

Also there's Ponybash where I was lurky as fuck and TOWN and then Breaking Bad where I was confident and SCUM

So like, using one game as meta is dumb. I've got three TOWN games where I go hypo aggressive and two SCUM games so it's not indicative of alignment.

Done with this argument not, going to work, BYE

Oh wait I was scum in Ponybash but I was still LURKY AS FUCK

Reckoner totally ignored my questions and wanted to put me out there as the dayvigger so whatever, he's prob scums.

who the fuck are you?

I hope that's a "who the fuck are you" in regards to the site, rather than in regards to this game, because if you didn't know who he was re: the game, that would mean you weren't reading the game, and that would be very naughty indeed.

Fucking hell Reck. Keep up. Make it at least look like you give a shit.

vla for the weekend.

Yes, jesus fucking christ.

Metal Sonic claimed dayvig and faux dayvigged Amrun
Killer Apple got run up, rage quit and replaced out.

They are the two key events of the game thus far.

Now if you don't mind, I have sunshine to enjoy.

Hi I am here sort of.

I was thinking about it over the weekend, and CDB's insistence on calling me town is beginning to ping my scumdar.

I will give more thoughts when I'm less swamped.

So from the time you said metal's play was bad but town to telling us that CDB is pinging your scumdar, Metal went from 4 votes, to 3, and then back up to 5 without a legitimate wagon to counteract. Two RL days after your #905 Metal is lynched.

Here's what I see: I see a player getting (based on their prior scumhunting) a completely unfounded townread, and then worrying more about their own image--despite the fact that they were never in danger of getting lynched yesterday--over defending that townread as their lynch became imminent and that's behavior I would expect from scum, not town.

[Desperado]

@ Generic:

The needle moved. Negatively.

[Desperado]

Read the above & considered it seriously. Still think Nexus is town.

Unvote
Vote: Smudger

[Desperado]

Read the above & considered it seriously. Still think Nexus is town.

Unvote
Vote: Smudger

[Desperado]

Simple terms: if a replacee acknowledges their slot's previous scumminess, they are probably scum. Smudger did it twice in his opening post.

[Desperado]

A day early and have not fully read, we'll 57 pages, sheesh. Anyway first things first, I see my predecessor was not very active and when he/she was active then some smelt scum.

Now tomorrow I plan to read the lead up to the D1 lynch and try to find where Dekes made this an up hill task for me.

[Desperado]

You are seriously suggesting that I cannot comment that I am aware of the fact that the slot is under suspicion and not state that I will look to see why?

Yes.

You are saying that I should blinded join the game and just plod along and not be prepared for people to attack me because of what has gone before.

Pretty much yeah. No one is going to make you answer for what Dekes did. And you already got your town role PM from that slot so you know any of the accusations against you were baseless anyway, right?

So if you got a town role PM, why would you feel the need to prepare yourself for things that you a) aren't going to be expected to defend and b) couldn't even if you were?

You wouldn't. So you're probably scum.

[Desperado]

@ Despo That is a very blinkered way of playing, the simple fact someone state thst they wish to discover why they or their slot is being accused of being scum is ridiculous. And how do you know how I would interpret my role PM? And then how I play according to that PM?

How do I know how you would interpret your role PM and play according it?

I replaced in and got a town role PM.

[Desperado]

Yeah no this was textbook amished. Like..... once this game is over I will link to that post to explain the tell.

And so did he.

[Desperado]

okay

desp you have finally done that thing I really needed you to do. thank you. I <3 u.

town read on desp.

you know when I first heard of the amished tell I thought it was retarded but I have been surprised at how accurate it is.

cabd, amrun, cdb and desp who are your top 3 scum reads.

Smudge, Nexus, Generic

[Desperado]

okay

desp you have finally done that thing I really needed you to do. thank you. I <3 u.

town read on desp.

you know when I first heard of the amished tell I thought it was retarded but I have been surprised at how accurate it is.

cabd, amrun, cdb and desp who are your top 3 scum reads.

Smudge, Nexus, Generic

[Desperado]

Vote: Nexus

^This is happening today.

[Desperado]

@Desperado - Nexus isn't the lynch today. I don't feel as strong about it as I did before, though it's still possible.

Brb officially reading Tierce.

@Amrun

Tierce totally ignores him, and anything surrounding him, but

vehemently attacks both Desperado and Venmar, Nexus' biggest detractors.

This could EASILY be a humongous chainsaw defense.

- This is defending Nexus, even though it's not directly.

Yeah it is. So why don't you feel as strongly about it?

[Desperado]

Amrun, he's saying chainsaw defense of Nexus is still a defense of Nexus. Which is fair.

But... Venmar, if you're going to defend your buddy, which way is more likely? Doing what she did with Amrun (blatantly white knighting) or doing what she did with Nexus (not directly defending him but instead attacking his detractors)?

Scum are more likely to defend their buddy softly... in my opinion.. or just not defend at all. I mean I don't think people defend their buddies anymore on this site IMO, but I think people soft defend their teammates rather than hard-defend if anything. That being said, from your options, I think scum are more likely to WHITEKNIGHT a buddy than attack the detractors.

Chainsawing

is

soft-defending.

[Desperado]

Beats me. Venmar's scum read on Nexus somehow got weaker after Tierce attacked the two people bringing suspicion on to him and his explanation doesn't make any sense.

[Desperado]

Beats me. Venmar's scum read on Nexus somehow got weaker after Tierce attacked the two people bringing suspicion on to him and his explanation doesn't make any sense.

[Desperado]

Beats me. Venmar's scum read on Nexus somehow got weaker after Tierce attacked the two people bringing suspicion on to him and his explanation doesn't make any sense.

[Desperado]

Yeah my laptop's left-click is broken...

[Desperado]

Hi I am here sort of.

I was thinking about it over the weekend, and CDB's insistence on calling me town is beginning to ping my scumdar.

I will give more thoughts when I'm less swamped.

...Nexus could be scum.

Don't be ridiculous.

CDB pinged your scumdar because he was calling you town even though you were being scummy as fuck, but now he's starting to see it and he's being ridiculous?

You also never responded to these posts:

Nexus, you said that Metal's fake dayvig was townbad because it got reactions and generated discussion. I'd like to see what you think were the most fruitful reactions that it got and analyze them. Because from my POV all it did was get him lynched.

And my main issue is that you spent the entire game pointing out "bad" things and calling people scum for them, but then metal does something bad and he's magically town without any further explanation. If you thought his fake dayvig was good for generating discussion and analyzing reactions...why didn't you do any of that yesterday? Why did you call metal town and sit on the sidelines while he got strung up?

Spoiler: WALL OF QUOTES--NEXUS' END OF DAY

When was the last time a Dayvig was actually a real thing and it was public? I'm struggling to remember.

Need to look at the reactions, but anyone saying MS has to be scum is probably stupid. Bad, yes, scum, i'd say not.

No. I'm not going to either, because I don't do reads list.

Well, I don't see why I should change my style of play just to suit you so.

I can, if you are really desperate, give you a list of 3 town imo and then a vague idea of scum, but I haven't got enough scum reads solidified yet.

That is also my usual solution to people whining about wanting reads - i'll do a minor compromise.

town - tierce, cdb, dekes

scum - probably KA, venmar and idk

I feel like Nexus far too easily flips his reads upon light of a claim.

Isn't this what most people do?

Surely you should be saying this about everyone who unvoted when KA claimed? They're changing their reads in light of a claim. Particularly those who jumped on a different wagon straightaway.

The rest of your post is just you saying things that I can't particularly argue against, and using my scum game as Breaking Bad is cute but this is the way I've spent the last year or so playing, scum or town so.

The fact that you're absolutely adamant that I'm scum, and wasted your time making that post, but don't seem to be looking at other candidates is worrying.

Desperado's jump is horrific.

I would like to discuss the merits of scum/town replacing out at some point, but either way it's a dick move by KA, and it only serves to cause more confusion.

Newbie game where I insult people and am confident and right and TOWN

Upick game where I insult people and am sort of confident and TOWN

Blablah aggressive and TOWN

Aggressiveish and SCUM OMG

Lurky as fuck and SCUM

Also there's Ponybash where I was lurky as fuck and TOWN and then Breaking Bad where I was confident and SCUM

So like, using one game as meta is dumb. I've got three TOWN games where I go hypo aggressive and two SCUM games so it's not indicative of alignment.

Done with this argument not, going to work, BYE

Oh wait I was scum in Ponybash but I was still LURKY AS FUCK

Reckoner totally ignored my questions and wanted to put me out there as the dayvigger so whatever, he's prob scums.

who the fuck are you?

I hope that's a "who the fuck are you" in regards to the site, rather than in regards to this game, because if you didn't know who he was re: the game, that would mean you weren't reading the game, and that would be very naughty indeed.

Fucking hell Reck. Keep up. Make it at least look like you give a shit.

vla for the weekend.

Yes, jesus fucking christ.

Metal Sonic claimed dayvig and faux dayvigged Amrun
Killer Apple got run up, rage quit and replaced out.

They are the two key events of the game thus far.

Now if you don't mind, I have sunshine to enjoy.

Hi I am here sort of.

I was thinking about it over the weekend, and CDB's insistence on calling me town is beginning to ping my scumdar.

I will give more thoughts when I'm less swamped.

So from the time you said metal's play was bad but town to telling us that CDB is pinging your scumdar, Metal went from 4 votes, to 3, and then back up to 5 without a legitimate wagon to counteract. Two RL days after your #905 Metal is lynched.

Here's what I see: I see a player getting (based on their prior scumhunting) a completely unfounded townread, and then worrying more about their own image--despite the fact that they were never in danger of getting lynched yesterday--over defending that townread as their lynch became imminent and that's behavior I would expect from scum, not town.

[Desperado]

Vote: Generic

Don't care how quickly it escalated. Claim, Generic.

[Desperado]

To my count I'm already hammered, so have fun kids cos I'm going back to enjoying my holiday...

Looks like a scum claim to me

[Desperado]

hahahah self-intent-to-hammer

[Desperado]

hahahah self-intent-to-hammer

[Desperado]

Your victory (with a town role PM) was getting another townie lynched?

[Desperado]

I never got the dead QT