Xenogears Mafia (Game Over)

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

hi guys!

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

I am reaching out right this second

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

I am reaching out right this second

I'm not in the least mollified by this forced looking reach out.

guy

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

ask fery

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

That wasn't GiF.

And no I'm not signing my posts.

why would we ask you to sign your posts. we never do that shit

and *gasp* you were...mollified?

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Mollie the game has been open nearly an hour and you haven't reached out to us. You're scum this time, aren't you?

You are such a troll.

What do you mean bby you already can read faster than light!
You know, like analyzing whole TD's ISO within a minute.

Looool

I'm not in the least mollified by this forced looking reach out.

Staaaahp!

I. Don't. Even. All you stupid fuckers need to stop PGO claiming, either it's a bad gambit, or you are one in which case you should be playing in such a way that scum will target you and not town to get free kills instead of dumbassing. Heavily tempted to vote venmar here....

I don't like you.

@MetalSonicHead: Haha, that's cool Sonic lore! So, he fused with the chaos emeralds to become Faster Than Light. I have been noted for my chaotic approach to past games. Your hydra'ing with me is fusing with a sort of chaotic entity and becoming... Faster Than Light. :3

I might reach through the optical drive and strangle you to death before the end of this game.

Chances of you rolling scum in two back-to-back Bork games are low

Gambler's fallacy. He has an x/21 chance of rolling scum, where x stands for the number of scum. Previous rolls do not affect his chances in this instance.

Don't make me spank you, young man.

I still have no fucking clue how to read you, though.

Let me read Rach. I think the only time I've ever read her wrong was when I was scum.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Oh and for what it's worth, I'm rooting for Solaris. Sounds so much cooler than Nisan.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

P-edit: 'sup jiffy. You gonna yell at me this game too?

I'm gonna yell at anyone that needs to be yelled at, like I do every game.

HI MAJIFFY

I am playing the game

HI SCIENCE.

I am also.

@B&B: I'll leave rach to you, then?

Da.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Makes sense to buddy a miller just as it makes sense to subtle-push a PL on a PGO.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

All you stupid fuckers need to stop PGO claiming, either it's a bad gambit, or you are one in which case you should be playing in such a way that scum will target you and not town to get free kills instead of dumbassing. Heavily tempted to vote venmar here....

Me being heavily tempted to vote venmar was out of frustration with his stupidity, not because I think he is scum. Nick, you're silly, he is highly likely to be a PGO.

I mean, really.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Someone talk to me, I'm bored.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Did you catch Breaking Bad last night?

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Who the fuck are all you non-Breaking Bad watching people and where do you come from.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Really, what?

"I'm going to advocate a PL on player X then subsequently inform everyone that I never had any intention of advocating a PL but really we should lynch him even though he's probtown hahaha aren't I funny"


Hi Venmar.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Who the fuck are all you non-Breaking Bad watching people and where do you come from.

The second half of season 5 aired? I DIDN'T KNOW THIS

NOT SURE IF SARCASM OR OVERJOYED ELATION. WILL ASSUME THE LATTER.

Well when a boy and a girl love each other very much majiffy

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

I didn't subtle push, I raged

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

g

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

VOTE: TD

I have had enough of these motherfucking scums in my motherfucking games.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

i

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

I had a boner for at least 3 hours after the show started, Rach.

Bork can no longer edit in a vote count at the top of the page. it has been mandated.

l

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

NOW I KNOW MY ABC'S, NEXT PAGE POST A VOTE COUNT PLEASE.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Fuck you, bork.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN. TURN THAT POST BACK INTO AN F.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

SECONDING THAT

CAN I HEAR A THIRD?

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

edit: f

HALLELUJAH LORD, HALLELUJAH.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

It's tantamount to saying "I don't think I can play my role well enough to make it usefull so i'm going to go ahead and be a vanilla townie that needs to be lynched before lylo." You take a role that can be a great errr good thing, to the town, and make it a detriment. I know that it can be a horrible detriment to the town if played badly, but that's not a fucking excuse. When you're given a role, you play that role to your win condition.

Have you ever seen a townie vote to lynch someone you thought was obvtown?

Great, then we understand that reads aren't objective and thus there is no proper way to play bomb/PGO/similar roles that will ensure a scum visit and not a derp-thinking-pro-town role.

Also this.

Tiphaine, he could shoot ANYONE who visits him. That puts PRs in danger.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

"Played so pro-town scum would have to night kill me and obv townies wouldn't ever consider visiting me at all duh"

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Kool Aid solves all problems

Ken Kesey style or Jim Jones style?

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Jim Jones.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

No because he didn't take anyone out when he got shot.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

UNVOTE: TD
Got what I needed, thanks!

[8] TiphaineDeath (Venmar, zMuffinMan, nickthename, BeautyAndTheBeast, Mac, Ghostlin, Faster Than Light, Trust Fund)

+nhammen

For later.

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199 by TF is scummy.

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the fact we have a wagon build up this fast this early before everyone has even posted kinda sets up my scumdar a tad.

Bingo.

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Note to self: read later when I feel like reading poorly written garbage.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Hi Science.

Hey if anyone wants to give me a hand (read: I'm lazy) if you could collect all the votes for the TD wagon into one post for me that'd really just be awesome and I'd love you the rest of the game.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

You're a magnificent beast of wonder.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Want to take a look at the interplay tween B n B and SoS

I do realize of course that the Mollie head and the fery head are long time friends from another site, but want to be sure it is not being used as a cover for buddying.

yes cos fery and I would totally fall for that. I am so glad we have you to help sort that out.

I can't tell if this bugs me or not

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Are we all pretending we have reaction tests going in this game?

No reaction test, I needed a VC with the full wagon. It started to feel sour a few votes after I voted. So now I'm gonna dive in and look at all the votes.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

I meant the actual posts with the votes

Nevermind I'll do it myself.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Let me read Rach. I think the only time I've ever read her wrong was when I was scum.

wtf both you and nacho read her wrong in the last game. mebbe you should leave rach to someone who has never mislynched her and has actually identified her scum.

@varsoon

would it be too much to ask if you would change your avvie to where it doesn't move? it keeps catching my peripheral and it makes my eyes hurt

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

I'm going to play the role I got dealt however I see fit, I used it to claim immediately to make sure town doesn't kill themselves on it, but more importantly to gauge reactions out of people and I think TD is scum for his reaction.

no

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

I do realize of course that the Mollie head and the fery head are long time friends from another site, but want to be sure it is not being used as a cover for buddying.

If mollie and I figure out that each other are town then we will at turns buddy the hell out of each other and suffer from intense paranoia. It will be fun for all.

Hi Majiffy.

If I werer PGO I'd play it similarly to what Venmar is doing.

I agree that Tiphaine's reaction wasn't cool. Also think that Varsoon and MS both seem off. Nachopappa (whom I will call Bert for the most part) isn't looking very town to me atm. But, I gather he usually doesn't when he's town.

almost want to call you town for this post

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Spoiler: The TD Wagon

Wow.

Vote: TiphaineDeath

Scum caught, vote away!

GO BE FREE MY LITTLE BIRDS, LYNCH HIM

We are not in RVS anymore, this is a serious vote, please lynch.

Vote: TiphaineDeath

*Note: In 41, he asks TD a question. TD does not have time to answer before this vote, as 42 was Venmar yelling to kill it with fire.

But bnb, why you no like me? </3. I didn't subtle push, I raged, there's a difference.
VOTE: ftl

What even is this shit?
VOTE: Tiphaine

*Note: Pushing Venmar until wagon was visibly not gaining traction. Hopped on counterwagon with a weak vote.

you know there is nothing wrong with what venmar did? and in fact, your alternative solutions would have had more of a negative effect than the way venmar has played it?

VOTE: TiphaineDeath

i don't like the way you are playing so far.

*Note: This is probably definitely a town vote.

3) TD is playing like a mule on crack, which seems to indicate he wants us to distract from the Ven vote by acting like someone gave him drugs. His idea of Ven not claiming seems dissonant to the Town wincon. Also, I'm getting a hate-on for notscience.

Vote: TD

*Note: Also pretty townie.

Apparently so?
Sorry Colin, I'm voting anyways.
VOTE: TD
~Sasha

I don't really buy TD's backing off with "I am tired", either. Feels like a lazy, early-game deflection.
Of course, I don't like Venmar's response to my pressure either, but like you and I said, we shouldn't judge on a claim, but on play throughout the game.

Vote: TD

-V

Muffin

, why didn't you wait for TD to answer your question before reasonlessly hopping the wagon?

I want

Nick

to explain 102 and what, exactly, his problem was with the post that merited a vote.

FTL

please explain where the reaction test in 99 was initiated, where the reaction was, and what the reaction told you. Please use

quotes.

Cabd

, what was going through your mind when you voted TD in 171? Why were you thinking he was scum? Why didn't you elaborate when you voted him? Tell me about the conversation you were having with Syryana that you felt the need to apologize for placing the vote. Did Syryana read TD as town?

FTL

: Where was Venmar's reaction that you didn't like? Also I feel like you're misrepping TD's position by saying that he's using "I am tired" to back off.

Current scum candidates: FTL, TD (for reasons described by 81 and 91)

Where are these reasons? I didn't see them. You also did not quote any posts numbered 81 or 91 in this post. Please elaborate immediately.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Oh perfect, top of the page where no one can miss it.

I want answers from all of you in bold. Also you, Nhammen.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

you know there is nothing wrong with what venmar did? and in fact, your alternative solutions would have had more of a negative effect than the way venmar has played it?

VOTE: TiphaineDeath

i don't like the way you are playing so far.

you are scum aren't you

not liking that varsoon thing or muffin thing either

liking td, ns, venny almost wanna put silence in there too

and if you guys do not get off of td's dick I am gonna get pissed

@ venny

I love you but you are being retarded. stahp it

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Varsoon scum is looking more and more likely.

Not that I disagree with the TD wagon, mind you.

I like you too

the td wagon is shit and opportunistic as hell

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Anyways, you see TD under pressure, and then he lashes out at Mac in a bout of OMGUS. Same reason I read reckoner as scum in red wedding (ask mollie) things that are "too scummy to be scum" don't really make me feel great about a player/slot.
Haven't talked to syr since like.... page 3. He's offline, the jerk. I usually prefer to vote when my other head agreed with me, but sometimes I prefer to run solo.

Had you considered his emotional outburst from a town perspective? If so, why does it not fit? If not, why not?

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

the td wagon is shit and opportunistic as hell

Hi, welcome to page 12. I'm sure when you catch up you'll be apologizing.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

I think that was probably Mollie raking you over it.

The last Xeno game is a long forgotten memory to me. I never did get too attached.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

I mean, it could be town lashout, but I don't feel it's as likely to be town-lash as scum-lash; and either way, heaping on pressure means more emotions, which means an easier read.

So you received an emotional response, which looked scum, why?
And if you received an emotional response already, what good did you feel the vote would do,

only

in regards to pressure?

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

In my post above I posted:
"BeautyAndTheBeast, notscience, Venmar, take this Breaking Bad discussion ELSEWHERE. We"
when I meant to post:
"BeautyAndTheBeast, notscience, Venmar, take this Breaking Bad discussion ELSEWHERE. We are averaging more than 1 page per hour. I will not be able to keep up at this rate."
The reason only part of this got posted is because I realized that if I took the time to preview my post, then I would have to add more to it, and then preview and then add more, etc.

Oh, I also forgot to
VOTE: FTL
Multiple wagons helps find out who is scum later on, and I feel both TD and FTL need pressure. And FTL is slightly scummier than TD.

I. Don't. Even. All you stupid fuckers need to stop PGO claiming, either it's a bad gambit, or you are one in which case you should be playing in such a way that scum will target you and not town to get free kills instead of dumbassing. Heavily tempted to vote venmar here....

You didn't vote him, but you made this little half-step push thing, which is worse in my book.

bingo. it looks alot like you were flirting with the idea but waiting for someone else to take the initiative, TD.

Except that's not what happened.

VOTE: Mac

Wait what? I'm confused. What is the reason for this vote?

second post of your and so far I hate everything about both of them

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

@Nhammen: I don't like that when I fucking explain why I read something as null, everyone throws their hats in the air and goes WAFFLES
I don't like that when I play straight-forward town, everyone's like "VARSOON SO SCUM" because I did it in like one other game somewhere.
It's not a -reaction test- "defense" when I outright GOT VENMAR TO REPLY IN A GENUINE WAY THAT LET ME READ HIM BETTER. I'm milking the interaction between him and TD for info, something other players aren't. Please note that Notscience and NachoPappa haven't engaged too much on either side and half of the player list hasn't even fucking posted a decent contribution.
IF I THINK OF SOMETHING TO WRITE AFTER MY POST, I WILL WRITE IT. THREADS WILL BE SPAMMED AT A SPEED FASTER THAN LIGHT.
As far as the reason why I thought that nickthename was voting him without saying so--I thought it was a soft counter-claim until Nick explained his vote, which made me less assured of my own. Also, I got the reaction I wanted out of Venmar, which was essentially the same waffle-accusation bullshit I'm getting from you. Engage my posts, rather than writing them off, please.

@Trust:

Don't you think it's ironic that you see me as scum, but have a vote on the same guy as me?

If anyone wants to discuss things, I'm here to do so.

@Notscience: Now that you're confirmed town, you need to play the game. I was in Open 512 with Pasche, who was Innocent Child and he gave up playing after his IC reveal. Now you don't have to convince us that you're town, so please actually contribute to the thread and catch scum. What's the worst that can happen, they waste an NK on you?

-V

you are not this dumb

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

I mean, it could be town lashout, but I don't feel it's as likely to be town-lash as scum-lash; and either way, heaping on pressure means more emotions, which means an easier read.

So you received an emotional response, which looked scum, why?
And if you received an emotional response already, what good did you feel the vote would do,

only

in regards to pressure?

It looks scum because as town, merely lashing out at your wagon leaders is not really the best play. Town-TD; I feel like, would have looked to explain his reasoning instead of merely OMGUS voting.

So you expected a rational, optimal reactive play from an irrational, emotional situation?

Tell me more.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

B&B's 105 (later cited as a test, but dunno what it garnered yet, I think)

I think you need to do some careful re-reading, because this is wrong on a number of levels.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Gah, it figures. How many times has this happened to me? Over the weekend, things start? Silly bork; he should have learned his lesson last time! To say the least, that puts me a bit behind this game. Let's try not to get another 10 pages while I'm catching up, 'kay? Now with that said, it'll be a while--I have other things to attend to. So, that'll be it for now. Time for me to get to work. (Oh, gods. We're in for a very long game. No way to have me procrastinate

this

game! )

awful

bad mastin BAD!

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

So you place votes to garner emotional responses, and yet you expect rational, calm responses from those very same votes?

This is sounding an awful lot like a Salem Witch Trial. I suppose you'll crush someone with a boulder next and if they don't die, they're a witch?

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

You said you got what you wanted--what did you get?
Also, why did you ask the rhetorical of me and bold my one post?

The vote count of the wagon at it's peak. Which I already said, earlier, had you been reading.

I don't know what rhetorical you're asking of?

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Wait am I talking to Cabd from Trust Fund right now? Because that would explain a lot.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Ok let me explain this to you. When you're trying to garner an emotional reaction from someone; YOU WANT AN EMOTIONAL REACTION.

Mind you - either alignment can HAVE an emotional reaction; it's HOW they react that matters.

But if you push someone for an emotional reaction and they've got faces calm as a Hindu cow, that means that IF AND ONLY IF YOU ARE CERTAIN THEY ARE FEELING PRESSURE: They're probably scum.

Town has no reason to avoid flipping out, at least not on a primal/reactionary/emotional level. They won't think to themselves "oh god, I had better not flip out!", they just FLIP OUT.

SCUM, on the other hand, will sit back and try to calm themselves down so they don't react negatively. THEY HAVE SOMETHING TO HIDE. Thus a LACK of a reaction is a SCUM reaction. You're not looking for CALM townies. You're looking for CALM SCUM.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

@B&B: Makes sense. We've got an early wagon we can analyse now. That's what I assumed, but I didn't remember you posting that straight out, but, rather, it felt like a later conclusion.
When you ask if I can't possibly be that stupid.
I also have no clue who your 319 is directed to.

-V

That was Mollie. If there's proper grammar, it's likely me (Majiffy). If not, it's Mollie.
If 319 has proper grammar, assume I was talking to Trust Fund. That's been my primary conversation as of late.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

-- Just checked, yeah it was to Trust Fund.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

He's way too willing to be helpful but I need to prod him more.


p-edit: to ffery.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Want to take a look at the interplay tween B n B and SoS

I do realize of course that the Mollie head and the fery head are long time friends from another site, but want to be sure it is not being used as a cover for buddying.

yes cos fery and I would totally fall for that. I am so glad we have you to help sort that out.

I can't tell if this bugs me or not

does rach normally do this?

i dont recall it last game

she will make odd comments which make her look incredibly scummy but to me it looked like she was trying to find busywork. mine and fery's interactions are a magnet for scum when we are both town if you are town it is best to just leave us alone and do our thing. we are rarely wrong about each other and we certainly wouldn't be so dumb as to fall for some buddying trick

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Not really. I know I play a clam towngame and I've seen plenty of emotional lashy scum. We're gonna have to agree to disagree here, jiffy, but that's fine. Talk to me about your (well, or mollie's) reasons for liking my post 145?

First off; that was Mollie.
Anyway - I think you're missing the point. It isn't about how you play; you were looking to cause emotional reactions, yes? So if you're

looking to cause emotional reactions

, why are you then

expecting a calm reaction

? Do you get my drift?

I wouldn't, for example, spit in someone's face and then expect them to call me a gentleman and a scholar.

It doesn't fit the narrative

. So if you're finding someone's

emotional reactions

scummy, you need to discern

what is scummy

about the reaction; because reacting emotional is a null tell. Both alignments can react emotionally. That's one way of scumhunting; eliciting emotional reactions.

So I'm asking you to tell me

what was scummy

about TD's reaction. And if your answer is "he was emotional!" you have failed to play the game properly, regardless of your alignment.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

So

If scum are supposed to act calm

Does that mean anyone not throwing a shitstorm is scum?

If the intention is to cause a shitstorm, yes.

- The fact you think scum don't flip out or rage or have more than just calm reactions proves to me I don't think you realize what you're talking about

Hi, are you reading?

Mind you - either alignment can HAVE an emotional reaction; it's HOW they react that matters.

Apparently not. Fuck off, Venmar, I'm working.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

I do realize of course that the Mollie head and the fery head are long time friends from another site, but want to be sure it is not being used as a cover for buddying.

If mollie and I figure out that each other are town then we will at turns buddy the hell out of each other and suffer from intense paranoia. It will be fun for all.

Hi Majiffy.

If I werer PGO I'd play it similarly to what Venmar is doing.

I agree that Tiphaine's reaction wasn't cool. Also think that Varsoon and MS both seem off. Nachopappa (whom I will call Bert for the most part) isn't looking very town to me atm. But, I gather he usually doesn't when he's town.

almost want to call you town for this post

that might almost restore my faith in your ability to even recognize my town game.

oh I am terrible and retarded why the fuck are talking to me aren't you afraid it might be catching or something

plus I don't have a completed game with you where you were town on this site. try again

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

and how does the speed of a wagon arising have anything to do with alignment?

cos most speed lynches are on town

starting to like you now

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Not really. Someone like me doesn't want to be perceived as a person who completely flips shit all the time. I think it would be better if the majority of arguing in mafia was handled at a cold, anti-personal level but that's just me. I doubt this as a powerful scumtell, but I do use the opposite to find town... (Being genuine AtE vs fake)

My argument was not a blanket statement, it was a rebuke of Cabd's expectation of "calm reaction = town reaction".

Do try and keep up.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Hey everyone who is trying to jump over themselves to say that my argument isn't universal:

try reading the whole fucking post, yeah? And maybe the rest of the conversation? Yeah? Context is key.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

What do you think of the reactions to my claiming?

There were a few that caught my eye. I'm going to look into them later.

Then i'm fucking telling you TD's response WAS NOT FUCKING TOWN

But you haven't told me

why

.

So go pull TD's ISO. Note how much he emphesizes how HE IS RAGING LIKE RAGE vs just actually raging. Do you usually go point out how pissed you are when you're pissed? Or do you mention it once and then proceed to do pissed off things?

I've seen townies do it plenty of times. Hell, I probably have myself a few times.

His reaction seemed town. Stupid, but town.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

OH MY GOD THIS GAME IS PISSING ME OFF WHAT THE FUCK HOW COULD YOU BE SO STUPID I AM SO PISSED OFF
^ Can equally be posted by town or scum.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Then i'm fucking telling you TD's response WAS NOT FUCKING TOWN

But you haven't told me

why

.

THEN START FUCKING READING MY PREVIOUS POSTS SMARTASS

How about I deal with the people I don't have solid reads on yet, mmkay?

Fucking jackass.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

{FTL, nhammen}
{Ghost, Mac, NS, Silence, Tiphane, Trust, Venmar}
{AJ, Andi, BRO, Desp, Mastin, Mamma, Pappa, nickthename, Rach, Skull, Muffin}

For record-keeping. Heading out for the night soon.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

How the fuck was I opportunistic, stop discrediting a completely valid wagon

it isn't valid cos td has a point. you could have played in a way to attract a nk and if I am town reading you which I am obviously when I say "opportunstic" I am not referring to you

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

the td wagon is shit and opportunistic as hell

Hi, welcome to page 12. I'm sure when you catch up you'll be apologizing.

fuck you

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Maybe, maybe not. I dislike the notion of "wagon too fast to be scum" given how quickly ffery's wagon grew in xeno last time. The last few votes took forever, but the wagon grew pretty damn quickly. I distrinctly remember you raking me over the coals for not joining it, in fact.

~sasha

that wagon in no way shape or form grew quickly. I had to beg bribe and bully to get you pussies to vote them so don't even

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Yall hydras need to sign ur shit.

no

also I am meaner in forum mafia than skype mafia

you will figure out how to tell us apart

so assuming that you gained a shred of sanity and unstuck yourself from td what else do you see? who else sticks out?

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Ok let me explain this to you. When you're trying to garner an emotional reaction from someone; YOU WANT AN EMOTIONAL REACTION.

Mind you - either alignment can HAVE an emotional reaction; it's HOW they react that matters.

But if you push someone for an emotional reaction and they've got faces calm as a Hindu cow, that means that IF AND ONLY IF YOU ARE CERTAIN THEY ARE FEELING PRESSURE: They're probably scum.

Town has no reason to avoid flipping out, at least not on a primal/reactionary/emotional level. They won't think to themselves "oh god, I had better not flip out!", they just FLIP OUT.

SCUM, on the other hand, will sit back and try to calm themselves down so they don't react negatively. THEY HAVE SOMETHING TO HIDE. Thus a LACK of a reaction is a SCUM reaction. You're not looking for CALM townies. You're looking for CALM SCUM.

Not really. I know I play a clam towngame and I've seen plenty of emotional lashy scum. We're gonna have to agree to disagree here, jiffy, but that's fine. Talk to me about your (well, or mollie's) reasons for liking my post 145?

Varsoon scum is looking more and more likely.

Not that I disagree with the TD wagon, mind you.

I like you too

that was me and why are you asking me this dumb question

your play felt townish at that point and it has nothing to do with a single post

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

I'm liking rach as town so far.

okay

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Ah

PM and Majiffy are posting at the same time

Now I get it

So, here's a question for the two of you.

What do you think of the reactions to my claiming?

they seemed mostly townish I think

what do

you

think?

also I didn't need to have mod tell me you were town

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

- The fact you think scum don't flip out or rage or have more than just calm reactions proves to me I don't think you realize what you're talking about

Hi, are you reading?

Mind you - either alignment can HAVE an emotional reaction; it's HOW they react that matters.

Apparently not. Fuck off, Venmar, I'm working.

Then i'm fucking telling you TD's response WAS NOT FUCKING TOWN

majiffy is asking you why venny. why was it not town

cos it looked genuine as hell to me

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

How the fuck was I opportunistic, stop discrediting a completely valid wagon

it isn't valid cos td has a point. you could have played in a way to attract a nk and if I am town reading you which I am obviously when I say "opportunstic" I am not referring to you

but if you played in a way to attract a nightkill you are either: obvtown or claimed pr.

both risk attracting town prs (example: doc) so I think it's for the best to reveal

meh, the way that players determine their nks on this site is weird to me. I have seen it pulled off successfully a few times so that is the premise that I am working from.

ns that was a dumb question but I am going to answer it anyway; a doc obviously

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

that was me and why are you asking me this dumb question

You know me. I like dumb questions. I also am weirded out by people townreading me all of a sudden.

Hey mollie, am I wrong about TD? Cuz like, if both you and ffery think i'm wrong, I probably am, 'cuz i'm usually shit day one.

I think so, yes. you also know I usually get my reads fast and early so I am not sure why you are worried. so does fery

I am so glad we are playing together again

@ td

I think you are barking up the wrong tree about mac. he has shot to the top of my town list.

I feel like you and venny's bodies have been taken over by aliens or something cos I am barely recognising either one of you

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

mollie what are your thoughts about Mac?

liking him a lot. will probably be working with him. what do you think about venny?

@ ns

I think a pgo hits everyone who targets them if I am not mistaken.

well this game will be.... interesting (in the sense of the old Chinese curse May your life be interesting that is).....

Whether TD is scum or town I am not sure on, but I am leaning town cause that wagon hell Nacho has not even posted yet..... And a few others as well. 8 of 11 votes? Cmon guys n gals we need to examine those on his wagon duh.

No need to get worried Mollie just I am not 100% sold that both your slot and hers are town. Given time will be better at sorting it out. And part of that would be finding out if its just hey we know each other or that you are playing buddy buddy knowing peeps would think it too blatant to be buddying.

As Jiffy and Syr post that will help too

.



Pedit the PGO kills the doc and so does the scum who tries to kill I believe but not positive on that.

wat are you talking about majiffy has been doing most of the posting up until this point.

fery this is what I mean

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

1. I don't think TD's reactions to his wagon are enough to make him town as compared to his reaction to my claim.
2. I don't think TD's reactions to his wagon are all that townie to begin with.

And I've said why, maybe not directly, but I did in #301

town flail too. I think the most important skill a townie can learn is differentiating the difference between scum flail and town flail. it took me a long time to learn it and I am still learning. do you think you have that skill?

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

I didn't sleep much last night, and venmar and the reality warping wagon really pissed me off. I'll be back to my normal self in no time, no worries <3.

Why is Mac town?

cos he is actively working with me and that is just how he feels. I think if he were scum he would be a bit more awkward about it.

I am also really liking ghostlin too

eta: xpost with fery, okay. other than that varsoon thing who are we thinking is suspicious
eta: oh yeah I had nahmmen down as scum

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

yeah I know Jiffy has been posting more. and yeah I am getting more of a towny feel now for B n B.

Still would like to hear more from Syr as well as fery though.


Someone said that a lurky Nacho is always a scum Nacho and I disagree I have seem him be a lurky loo when he was town as well as when he was scum, and I have seen him as both town and scum being fairly active. With him just depends on whats going on. So yeah you need a bit more than oh hes lurking he must be scum Nacho. Especially since when you look at his posting history he has not been posting much of anywhere. I know he had to borrow his GFs computer a while back, so maybe he still is having to borrow it not sure on that.

if you knew majiffy was doing most ofthe posting up until that point then why did you say you wanted to hear from him. and syrlacious isn't in a hydra with fery and fery has been doing most of the posting in her hydra. mebbe if you would stop posting in your scum qt you would know this.

that was me obviously

also y'all leave nacho to fery and I if he is scum he will sit in a corner sucking his thumb while rocking back and forth and silently wishing for death

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

And this is why I hate hydras.

mebbe if you would stop posting in your scum qt you would know this.

What is this supposed to mean?

looks like an fos to me. what do you think?

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

yeah I know Jiffy has been posting more. and yeah I am getting more of a towny feel now for B n B.

Still would like to hear more from Syr as well as fery though.


Someone said that a lurky Nacho is always a scum Nacho and I disagree I have seem him be a lurky loo when he was town as well as when he was scum, and I have seen him as both town and scum being fairly active. With him just depends on whats going on. So yeah you need a bit more than oh hes lurking he must be scum Nacho. Especially since when you look at his posting history he has not been posting much of anywhere. I know he had to borrow his GFs computer a while back, so maybe he still is having to borrow it not sure on that.

if you knew majiffy was doing most ofthe posting up until that point then why did you say you wanted to hear from him. and syrlacious isn't in a hydra with fery and fery has been doing most of the posting in her hydra. mebbe if you would stop posting in your scum qt you would know this.

that was me obviously

also y'all leave nacho to fery and I if he is scum he will sit in a corner sucking his thumb while rocking back and forth and silently wishing for death

Staaahp with this buddying Rach will catch on.

am I being too obvious

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

PM why is Rach scum

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Arg. I generally hate being scum, and love being town, but for certain games...for certain games...I really,

really

hate

being town. When I'm town and I can lock onto something easily, BAM! Instant fun. When I'm town and just kinda feeling like a spectator, not a player...not so much. This game would have been so, SO much more fun as scum, as I'd be able to competently fake having reads, but nope! Stupid ol' town me is left here with almost nothing. :/

I DO have some townreads, and I DO have some

minor

scumreads, but nothing NEARLY as strong as it should be. >_<

Sorry that I

suck

am scum.

Vote: zMuffinMan

.
My best guess at scum at this point. Nick's another candidate (albeit only just; I waffled for quite a while before settling on that), but that's about it as far as definitive scumreads go. Can't decide on TD or nhammen, both who were in my sights but who I can't lock down, but other than that, yeah, just random townreads.

fify

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

I am entirely serious PM

if I take the time to answer this will actually entertain the idea that I might know what I am talking about?

rach was 1 of the first people to tell the difference between majiffy and I mean like 3 posts. majiffy was posting up a storm and I actually told him to stfu in gchat. he has been very clear about his thoughts and whom he suspects. her saying she needs to hear more from him was very bizarre and then she did it again to fery. she is disengaged with everything that is going on in the game when town rach would have stepped in a bit in the td/venny show. lastly, she feels very out of step when usually she doesn't.

gut + meta + timing

she is also slipping and sliding all over the place its like she has been dipped in baby oil or something

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

{FTL, nhammen}
{Ghost, Mac, NS, Silence, Tiphane, Trust, Venmar}
{AJ, Andi, BRO, Desp, Mastin, Mamma, Pappa, nickthename, Rach, Skull, Muffin}

So, B&B, does this reads list still apply? I ask because you seem to like to soft-FOS, and I can't really tell how to interprete them. Specifically, what are your feelings on Rach and Mastin?

I find them scummy.

and those reads are majiffy's reads. on d1 we tend to give out our individual reads cos it casts a wide net and then at night we fight over them in gchat.

/in before once again nicky bitches about hydras

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

1. I don't think TD's reactions to his wagon are enough to make him town as compared to his reaction to my claim.

2. I don't think TD's reactions to his wagon are all that townie to begin with.

And I've said why, maybe not directly, but I did in #301

town flail too. I think the most important skill a townie can learn is differentiating the difference between scum flail and town flail. it took me a long time to learn it and I am still learning. do you think you have that skill?

Like I said, look at #1 in my post.

But yes, i'd like to say i'm decent at having this skill.

Town flail less often than scum at the very least

.

not true in the least.

in response to #1, I had the same reaction as I was reading so mebbe you should throw that out the window

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Bnb, I get that you like him working with you, but how do you explain away the cognitive dissonance about him being on my wagon? I.E the case made by nick which I wholeheartedly agree with.

who are you talking about

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Actually, this is a perfect opportunity to say this. B&B, I like you guys, but seriously, can you shut up a little bit? You've been spamming pretty hard since the start of this game and It's getting on my nerves. Maybe condense your thoughts a little, wait till you have a few things to say? Thanks.

hi nick hi

let's have a chat.

every single 1 of my posts has content and a reason behind it. I think majiffy's alphabet posting was spammy and I fussed at him for it. he and I are both frequent posters especially on d1. borky probably should have said something in the sign-up thread since a lot of these players were in the last xeno game and that was high volume.

I will post what I want when I want tyvm. you can always put us on your foe list then you won't have to read our posts at all. cos right now I am milking the game for all that it is worth in order to provide the most info for my team. we will probably be nked early and then you won't have to worry about it.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

in response to #1, I had the same reaction as I was reading so mebbe you should throw that out the window

Or maybe you're just both scum.

I find them scummy.

So do you plan on, say, voting any of them?

oh baby oh. you caught me.

I am also scum reading nhammen who is who we are voting for so

Mac.

I will trust mine and fery's read over anybody else's any day. when mac is scum he mostly just tries to look harmless and right now he is looking anything but.

would it help if I told you we have a hydra together that we regularly use? if he starts to look scummy to me you will be the first to know.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

fery

feryferyferyfery

I find venny's hostility weird.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

would it help if I told you we have a hydra together that we regularly use? if he starts to look scummy to me you will be the first to know.

Flip town and we'll talk. Until then, I'll trust my own reads over unconfs', no matter how good you think you are at reading him.

was I talking to you in that post no I think not so why don't you stfu about it

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

fery

feryferyferyfery

I find venny's hostility weird.

I don't know venmar. Played for like a couple calendar days with him in the first xeno game. I'm agnostic at the moment. More data needed.

I thought you said that his posts looked town motivated

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

I did. And they have. You're saying the hostility is weird. And that's a tone thing that I don't have the meta to say "yeah weird" or "nah that's not out of the space where his town game lives."

You are throwing your weight around pretty hard the last hour or 2, and I'm not at all surprised you're getting pushback for it.

I don't think I said anything mean to venny that was all majiffy and I was less than thrilled. I had venny as town and wanted to work with him.

nick is a different story

eta: guys the volume will probably slow down

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Paranoia and trust.

Trust is earned.

Every game.

From scratch.

what are you talking about here

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

I'm talking about you telling people things like don't worry you can sort so and so trust your read.

It takes people varying lengths of time to get decent reads on someone, and even when you feel comfortable about their alignment, it's a further question mark whether to trust that their reads - today - in this game - are good. Patt of "good" is usually defined as "agrees with mine" or "makes sense to me".

You are expecting it to be baked into a game about 12 hours in with a bunch of players not having posted or having posted minimal amounts.

I get into cat-herding mode pretty easily so I know what you're doing. It's really early though and there's a lot more data to gather.

hhhmmmm...I thought the only person I said that about was nacho.

I certainly don't want venny to trust my read on td if anything if I were to get paranoid at this point I would suspect those 2 doing a scum theatre gambit. I

would

like venny to look elsewhere too tho instead of focusing on just 1 player. the reason being cos I think venny has a kick-ass off the charts nose for scum he just sometimes gets distracted by shiny things. d2 in red wedding he had 3 of the scum team read, he was hitting it in xeno and knocking it out of the ballpark in reign of flames. his reasons for voting td don't make sense to me and just don't sound like town venny and yet I wanna say he is town.

also cabd I feel like need to give you some love so here it is <3<3<3<3<3

whoops that was me

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

AJ town. I think GiF was ahead of me on that call.

yeah

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

:/

why would it give you headache moreso than other posts in the game?

I have already said who I think is scummy so

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

NickTheName, am I correct that you don't have a completed scum game at MS? Have you played a scum game on another site?

nometa4you

I have meta on you

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

To be fair nobody ever listens to my scumreads just like nobody wanted to listen to me about Rach in the last Xeno so I had to kill myself to get you people to realize it. Perhaps I shouldn't even try in this game.

The above unvote is actually me rethinking my read a little bit, but keep what I just said above in mind.

I just gave you a glowing rec to the point where what's his face said he thought he was in a compliment the person above you thread and you want to throw out this shit?

fos venny

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Updating the lists.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Fery quick question. I read up to page 15 and I didn't see Mollie's usual town self.. Can you please explain that a bit more?

oh oh I got this! that's cos you are scum and you want to try to drive a wedge between fery and I? amirite?

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Minus tiphane I think I'm ok with that list.

Nah, TD is townie.

fuck you

<3

penis

Damn borkie, a size 200 penis?

Lol.

And this is why I hate hydras.

Do I need to lynch you?

Did you ever answer my questions earlier?

My scum pool is small, and the current participants are looking for swimming buddies.

I'm fferyllt. Nice to see you again. Sorry I didn't recognize your name/av earlier.

/off topic

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So, B&B, does this reads list still apply? I ask because you seem to like to soft-FOS, and I can't really tell how to interprete them. Specifically, what are your feelings on Rach and Mastin?

Both still null, as are readily available in the reads list! Fancy that.

Actually, this is a perfect opportunity to say this. B&B, I like you guys, but seriously, can you shut up a little bit? You've been spamming pretty hard since the start of this game and It's getting on my nerves. Maybe condense your thoughts a little, wait till you have a few things to say? Thanks.

Activity =/= Spam.

Our posts have content, and are doing things. Which is more than can be said for you.

I find venny's hostility weird.

Agreed.

And don't dare call me hostile when your hydra'd with Majiffy.

Hence, I do believe B&B were right with the idea to analyze that wagon... I just wish they'd come with a more solid result.

It'll sharpen over time. Right now I'm looking at FTL and Nick.

Vote: BeautyAndTheBeast

mostly so mollie doesn't think i'm ignoring her

You're about 20 pages late to the RVS party. Sup.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

{FTL, Malakittens, nickthename}
{Ghost, Mac, NS, Silence, Tiphane, Trust, Venmar, Thezmon, Nacho, Muffin}
{AJ, Andi, BRO, Desp, Mastin, Rach, Skull}

Pretty much ok with speedlynching any of the scum reads at this point, they're all pretty strong. I'd say FTL is the weakest, which should be an indicator.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Then why are you reading us wrong?

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Anyway I gotta bizzounce I'll be back in a few hours.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Fery quick question. I read up to page 15 and I didn't see Mollie's usual town self.. Can you please explain that a bit more?

My baseline is probably different from yours. Mine is heavy on offsite games and relatively light on MS games. She's super confident about her reads, (and about her ability to read players who hadn't shown up yet), expects to be ignored/have a long uphill battle despite touting her record of reading them correctly, and is showing paranoia around the edges. There's more, but I don't want to hurt her feelings. :/

nm fery can do it all on her own.

you have put me down for the very last time.

@ mod: I am /out. majiffy might want to continue though.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Ftr that's a lot of scum reads.

Also I'm scum because I'm reading you as scum?

... 3? 3 scum reads in a large is a lot?

And no, I was reading your slot as scum before you came around.

Why is Mala there? nhammen did jack little shit, and she hasn't done much since replacement.

Because they're both scummy.

I've already elaborated on nhammen, and Mala's ISO is self-explanatory.

the rage is rising in me so damn quickly

Something started raising in me when you showed up.

i think bork gave me this role so i don't try anything stupid this time and die like last game

thanks guardian angel borkjerfkin!

Why are you making posts like this? I see zero town motivation.

Everyone who includes me in their town list needs a no-fucking-shit sticker.

Lol.

Oh, it's worked out fine for me.

We're going to have the best hydra ever.

Desperado is town.

So it seems.

However, your massive backtrack is very strange. At first, and very consistently, you said you were bored. All of a sudden it was a reaction fish. Care to explain? Or is there no explanation?

Hey, he's

mod confirmed town

. Spend your time questioning people we don't know. This isn't helping anyone.

I want to see how majiffy felt about the reactions to my claim

We're on largely the same wavelength. Do you want to lynch Nick?

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

{FTL, Malakittens, nickthename, Mastin}
{Ghost, Mac, NS, Silence, Tiphane, Trust, Venmar, Thezmon, Nacho, Muffin, Andi, Desp}
{AJ, BRO, Rach, Skull}

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Tell me which one of you posted 241. I'm sure it's Jiffy, but I want to know for sure.

Majiffy.

Have you given reasons why you're reading us as scum, yet?

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Yep, fuck this shit. The next person to call me scum off my ISO receives my damn vote. I'm not fucking done catching up.

Being caught up is not alignment-indicative.

Give me time Jiffy.. Give me time..

Um let me think about that.

No. You're scum-reading us, yeah? Give me reasons. Otherwise, I call bullshit.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Calling me scum off my ISO without me being fully caught up is the most stupidest fucking thing I have seen. It's like not even giving me a freaking chance.

Giving you a chance to what, change your alignment mid-game?

Keep calling me bullshit when I already made the comment, but I never noted specifics.

This.is.not.town.Mollie.

... Probably because it's Majiffy.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Can we get a vig over here?

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

I think Mala has her head screwed on backwards.

Or she's scum.

Possibly both.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

No? To actually post my reads and thoughts after reading everything. Good god lay the fuck off of me right now.

Mala it's very simple. Either you have reasons for scum reading us, or you don't. You don't need to finish catching up to answer this question.

So I call bullshit on "Probably because it's Majiffy".. I'm not talking about

now

as I'm talking about previous posts.

For the sake of clarity, I'd advise using direct quotes because otherwise you just look straight derp.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

I'm also liking Bert {Nachopappa} as scum right now too, but that's lack of posts so far in this thread! Subject to

maybe

change!

Becomes Thezmon. Becomes town.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

VOTE: Nickthename Since apparently we're not voting anyone.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Firstly, this is the closest I could find to a reason why you think he’s scum. And this is mollie, not Majiffy

...

Is that truly scummy? In the words of Majiffy, it's not alignment-indicative. So by your

own

submission, he should be null. All three of his posts were related to how he couldn't keep up with the game, hence why he replaced out.

Tell me, as a professional glue-huffing connoisseur, do you prefer polyurethanes or polyvinyl acetates?

You admit that it's Mollie's post, then proclaim

my

submission. Last I checked, we

are

two different people.

And I'm pretty sure I've touched on nhammen scum so you can go back to digging in that ISO.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Why are you voting nick, he's town

Mmm... no.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

okay so I apologise for my earlier outburst, I will stay in the game but it is gonna be majiffy mostly posting unless he says dumb things so yeah I guess I am back in. ftr the kerfuffle between fery and I has to do with out of game stuff, so no one should read anybody's alignment into that situ. it came up a bit in xeno 1, I thought it was sorted, I guess not and I am not going to put up with any more cos I have been down this road before I know how it ends and I think it is best if we just don't play together anymore. for those who think I overreacted all I can say is there is so much more to it and it is really not worth getting into.

moving along ------------------->

mala keep reading. majiffy leave her alone.

mastin I am loving where your head is at cos you are saying what I am thinking. I think this looks like nicky's hyper-aggressive scum game he seems to be one of those players who likes playing scum. I agree with sound's assessment that bro looks uncomfortable but that post where he thinks he caught fery out on a liar tell is so batshit insane that I almost want to put him in the town category.andy is most defo scum and I think you all need to reconsider your read on desp cos him putting andy as strong town for that wall and saying it was effort and content when it deserves the fluff post of the year award looks scummy as hell and I almost want to call them buddies.

I don't quite know what to make of venny, mac and td are still strong town for me. I have sound slot down as town still not liking that varsoon/metal thing but they are both a little crazy (in a good way it just makes them in hard to read) so I want to interact with them a bit.

nicky asking nacho if he has played large games before and telling him about the vote/unvote process is pretty priceless, now I have new material to troll nacho with. thanks nicky!

I think mac is town and I probably know him better than anyone. the arguments against him are weak, certainly not as strong as the individuals making them would like everyone to think no matter how much they pretty up their words. kind of wanna put thez as town too. still finding rach scummy.

ns, you are taking a beating and I just want to give you a

I feel like I am forgetting something give me a minute I will remember.

eta: a bunch of xposts will get to them

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

You mean this?

Current scum candidates: FTL, TD (for reasons described by 81 and 91)

Where are these reasons? I didn't see them. You also did not quote any posts numbered 81 or 91 in this post. Please elaborate immediately.

This is literally the only feasible post of your reasoning for nhammen being scum. So uhh... Reasons or I call bullshit.

Let me ask you something; did he elaborate? No. Mmkay then.

nicky asking nacho if he has played large games before and telling him about the vote/unvote process is pretty priceless, now I have new material to troll nacho with. thanks nicky!

Yeah I had one of those Buddhist inward-laughs at that as well.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Also getting to the point where I am just not reading any of the BnB posts.

You too, huh?

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

There was definitely a lot of fluff in his posts.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

...

Him bitching at me...

lol, that's what most of his posts have been.

Are you just like a fly on the wall with a megaphone or something? You just pop in this thread for one-line zingers.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

I don't think anyone purported that claim.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

I don't think anyone purported that claim.

Then you must be referring to his wall post. No, that post wasn't scummy, try again.

You'll note that I have Andy as a town read.

You'll also note a level of grammar in my posts.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Looked to me like he was more concerned with the fact that there were a hell of a lot of posts that he had to read, such as the beginning of mollie's quoted (about Breaking Bad).

But humor me, then. How strong was your read on nhammen, and how much has Mala's entry skewed that?

Nhammen showed no signs of original thought, and spent a good deal of his posts making himself to

look

pro-town instead of

being

pro-town. He was my strongest scum read up to his replacing out.

Mala's entry was piss-poor, particularly reading Mollie wrong and completely ignoring my contributions (and probably a good majority of the ISO, I'd say) to the slot. Looked very fabricated. Hence why I started pushing her to answer about her scumread, and why I'm perturbed that her response is "jeez let me finish catching up!" as if that has any relevancy to the question.

She was evading. She continues to keep the slot scum.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

You just said his post(s) were full of fluff...

Fluff isn't a scumtell.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

@ desp

you mean other than rahegar references, plural penii, pics, "oh this is funny" and all of the other stuff he posted? mebbe I am making it up.

what I know of andy is that he hones in and focuses as town and here he is reacting like how he "thinks" a townie would act. the observations are disconnected and are a cobbled together mash piece of playing to the crowd. his timing is atrocious. the little bit of hunting he provided lacked continuity and it is very surface level, not the type of in-depth thinking that he is capable of. the posts read as shallow when andy is anything but.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

The whole "no original thought" argument is questionable ever since people tried to boner that idea into trying to get me lynched in Red Wedding mafia when I was town.

Funny thing is, people pushing that idea were scum

FTR, nhammen's posts didn't look all that scummy, they felt genuine.

Well, I'm town, and lack of original thought has always been a fairly reliable scumtell for me.
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on nhammen's posts. They looked like complete shit to me.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

If you think Andrius is town, then why are you making a big deal out of him supposedly making fluff posts?

I think you're having an issue differentiating between myself and mollie. Let me help you out;

This is a period:

.

I will end every sentence with one, except if it is replaced by a question mark (?) or an exclamation point (!).

I will also use a thing called capital letters. For example, there is a marked difference between the capital letter A and the lower case letter a.

If you see these things with some frequency in a post, chances are, they're posted by me. If they seem to be lacking these characteristics to a high percentage, it is reasonable to assume the post was made by Mollie.



In regards to the post of your own that you quoted, no, I don't think it's fluff. And I do think

I asked you to explain why you were making that post

in an earlier post of mine. You have yet to do so. Please follow through.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

You mean this?

Current scum candidates: FTL, TD (for reasons described by 81 and 91)

Where are these reasons? I didn't see them. You also did not quote any posts numbered 81 or 91 in this post. Please elaborate immediately.

This is literally the only feasible post of your reasoning for nhammen being scum. So uhh... Reasons or I call bullshit.

Let me ask you something; did he elaborate? No. Mmkay then.

Looked to me like he was more concerned with the fact that there were a hell of a lot of posts that he had to read,

such as the beginning of mollie's quoted (about Breaking Bad)

.

But humor me, then. How strong was your read on nhammen, and how much has Mala's entry skewed that?

Thez have you played with AJ scum before?

Have I played with AJ-scum before, hah. I taught him how to play scum. Or, well, I was one of his mentors when he first played scum.

Let me reiterate to you - we're from the same offsite. He's played about 2 years, and I've played about 3, approaching 4. Almost every game he's played on that site has been with me, or with me modding it. Granted, he's evolved over the years (as have I, and just about everyone else), but I still read him fairly well.

I never did that.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

i think bork gave me this role so i don't try anything stupid this time and die like last game

thanks guardian angel borkjerfkin!

Why are you making posts like this? I see zero town motivation.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

PEdit: If you want me to stop having problem differentiating between you two, then start signing your posts, or I will continue assuming whatever I want and won't be able to differentiating. Don't know what it is about typing two characters like -M or -P that is so hard.

It's the whole "remembering" thing.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

2. Notice the quote that follows. Mala changed her opinion after she got to read more. Guess what - she's not evading, she's reading. Let her finish, and then ask her what she thinks of a case. Shit changes (such as the pappa-to-me read) and you just need to be patient.

You're ignoring the meat of the argument. If she had a scum read - what is so hard to explain why? Instead of explaining, she evaded.
And why did she

ignore my half

of the hydra entirely? I was doing a majority of the posting.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

@ desp

you mean other than rahegar references, plural penii, pics, "oh this is funny" and all of the other stuff he posted? mebbe I am making it up.

what I know of andy is that he hones in and focuses as town and here he is reacting like how he "thinks" a townie would act. the observations are disconnected and are a cobbled together mash piece of playing to the crowd. his timing is atrocious. the little bit of hunting he provided lacked continuity and it is very surface level, not the type of in-depth thinking that he is capable of. the posts read as shallow when andy is anything but.

But those were all moments within a much larger context. And they are also all still interactions in my view. "Fluff post of the year" is a weird way to say "he posted a few bits of fluff amongst a lot of legitimate analysis."

It sounds like you're reading him as scum because you have high expectations of his town game. That doesn't strike me as a fair accusation. You have anything better?

I didn't see the legitimate analysis. he said "let me explain the progression" but then didn't really go in depth and it lacked continuity which is a key point when explaining the progression of one's thoughts. would you agree?

so where is the legitimate analysis?

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

SIGN YOUR POSTS.

I won't cooperate otherwise.

Though if I know you, you won't sign just to annoy me.

venny

I tried to sign my posts last game but I forgot, it isn't my style. so I can make no promises

I am sorry for the hydra dissonance, I am trying to work it out in gchat. if I could get him to SHUT FOR ONE MOMENT it might get better.

I remember in rw people going after you for those reasons and do you remember I tried to steer people away from you? I picked up that you viewed cdb right off the bat - why do you think I was wanting to work with him so hard? did you read the dead qt where I gave you mad props for good crumbing? I didn't reach out to you as strongly cos I did not want to highlight you as a cop so I just followed your read.

and that is the problem I am having with you this game, it is like you have forgotten all of this. I am reaching out to you to the point where I am practically falling off a cliff.

lets fix this.

-mollie

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

@ desp

it reads as a commentary. he doesn't expound on why something is scummy.

this was his catch-up/entry post in xeno 1:

Subject: Xenoblade Mafia (Game Over)

Nacholove!

i claim miller

wut

hi guys, I'll catch up on the thread in the morning.

catch up with what? you are on the first page and allready doing excuses about not being avaible?

You don't like jokes?
You're probably just jumping on shadows, "miller" boy.

Vote: Svenskt Stal

:goodvote:

Vote: Sven Stal

which also makes it impossible for me to be scum since i would have to explain down the road why i am not dead.

This logic makes no sense.

1. claim miller, hope people buy it
2. if people buy it, hope they dont question why i dont get nk´ed.

1. Claim Miller, dont care if people buy it
2. Town NK's you regardless
Done.

yeah i aint kidding. i am miller.

which also makes it impossible for me to be scum since i would have to explain down the road why i am not dead.

so... my scum plan must then involve the following

1. claim miller, hope people buy it
2. if people buy it, hope they dont question why i dont get nk´ed.

2

There is a bolded number at the bottom of this post.

your logic involves scum hoping that the cop will investigate me and find guilty... which I, by claiming miller, have allready confirmed will happen.

Um dude, you claim Miller, Cop doesn't bother investigating you.
That's obvious.

i can claim flavor too if that helps

It might. Probably not now, but.

then scum will feel cornerd and forced to kill the "clear" person, regardless of him being mechanicly clear or not.

Scum will kill who they want, and if they have other priorities than a Miller who the town will kill if they're alive long enough, as you say, then the scum can forget about the Miller and move on.

I do appreciate the early claim though.

#47 Nacho is town.

svenskt why no entrance gif?

- f

Too preoccupied with fabricating the fakeclaim.

Gut read on sven?

Pedit: Oh. >.>

Pedit: let me post

no, I'm leaning a little townish on svenskt.

- f

How so?

you can have abscent intellect as town, I have seen it before.

He DOES have a point.

Wait, you wanted me to read on the first day? Bah.

I think

vote Nacho

is better really.

Fakeclaiming miller is a moronic and dangerous gambit that I have never actually seen a scum use, and that's in like 20+ games.

So besides for the fact that it clearly isn't a popular move, what does not seeing it tell you?
Yes, it is dangerous.
But if it were used all the time it would not be nearly as effective; hence the scarcity of the move.
I have *one* game in mind but I'm not actually sure if the Miller was scum or not.
How is the Nacho vote better?
Sven's reactions have been iffy; Nacho is strong and analytical.

Metal Sonic is being not productive for his posts. I'm not impressed with 2's either.

i have a skype meeting

Vote: Sven

because i claim to be in a meeting?

i wanna vote cabd

no meeting ended

Look at the timing of these posts.
All in about 15m he goes from "having a Skype meeting" to "reinforcing he's in a meeting" "meeting ended".
I point this out because
a) why is he posting in a meeting
b) they're all in very close proximity.

On a side note, if you want to vote cabd, then do it?

Why is this stupid? If it's generally true that miller claims on day one are legit, then we should not lynch Sven, right?

Remind me that this is here if Sven flips scum.
Also his lack of a vote is scummy.

Unvote, Vote: BROseidon

On a side note, I'm a big fan of the TOPOFTHEPAGE votecounts.

Right now I don't have a scumread. Everyone walked away from the miller claim looking null or town.

...

I'll claim town,
hey guys.

Anything to add?

that said, giving her a townread that strong is not good.

She's not a scum player. I know her better than you do. Give it up.

why you got to be so bad at this bro

Just a second ago you were sucking up to me, and now you're sucking up to ffery and discrediting me.
Try harder.

with what? you are walking down the wrong path broseph

and i know ffer well enough to not go inst town and disrespecting her scum game.

i am not sucking up to you, i think you and orc have done a good job at sounding town.

You think they've done a good job at "sounding" town.

This implies that they are not actually town.
Am I right in drawing this conclusion?

the 2 are miles apart

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Mollie

can you get jiffy to back off of me please?

I am trying mala. I think he is a bit, for now.

@ ghostlin

Rachmarie's not a bad choice because she's reading as not sane as she was last game, and she was scum that game.

not a bad choice for what? lynching? when you are saying she is not sane as last game and she was scum? how does that even make sense?

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

@nacho

what is

your

read on me?

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

VOTE: nacho

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

The level of irony going on presently is terrifyingly amusing.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Town-leaning

:

Malakittens

- I've already talked about this, but her entering the thread looks towny.

zMuffin

- Feels authentic, although I'm still waiting on his new reads.

thezmon

- Arguing against him feels like arguing with a thoughtful townie, although I disagree with some of his reads

BROseiden

- I like his notes regarding ghostlin, a player most people seem to have overlooked. His liar tell thing seems dumb, but it also seems town.

I love lists.

remind me again why mala's entrance was town? I thought it was very bad and was starting to scum read her for it but she is looking better and majiffy getting under skin feels like it is coming more from frustrated townie than a scummy act.

so muffin looks authentic and that is why you have him as town? can you expand on that?

thez read is decent

bro read looks vaguely like grooming an unconfident townie.

Null

:

Rach

- She's right up there with zMuffin as far as time since we last heard from her, and her play before didn't really give me much of an opinion on her.

Skull

- Nothing to see here

Nacho

- Not contributing much, but nacho never contributes much. Until something serious that he is forced to react to, I doubt I'll get much of a read here.

Andrius

- His scumread on me feels forced, but his read of the game feels towny. Dunno, really.

Ghostlin

-Yet to see very much from him. His vote on Mala is dumb, but it doesn't really pop out is scum to me. I'd like some reads from him.

TD

- His emotions seem legitimate, but I'm not sure I'm a fan of how quiet he's been lately.

Venmar

- Who knows? Not me.

Those other 2 hydras

- Too hard to read for anything real D1, methinks.
Everyone else I forgot.

if nicky flips scum then andy is most assuredly is his partner. scum always always always put at least 1 partner dead in the middle and hey! I was scum reading andy anyways so

the nacho never contributes much is a bunch of crap and untrue and there should more peeps than just me who will point this out.

nothing to say about venny's claim or play? lol hedge.

Scum-leaning:-

B&B

- The harass of Mala doesn't look towny. That said, the hydra dissonance is strong with this one, and i'm having a hard time even figuring out what they believe. Also, sign your posts, seriously, it's not hard. Can yall like, talk to eachother and agree on reads or something?

FTL

- Have these 2 ever played in a hydra before? Seriously, you guys are harder to figure out then B&B, and not in a good way. MS is barely even legible, and all his question seem completely random and pointless. I see a tiny bit of scummieness poking through from Varsoon in posts like this:
VOTE: FTL
I don't get the feeling they are putting any effort at all into working together, making it hard to get a read. Hopefully they'll eventually feel enough preassure to do it, and then I can be more definitive in my read.

Mastin

- Is dumb and doesn't make much sense. His read on me also looks pretty forced, but since he doesn't really bother to back it up, it's hard to tell. It worries me that he doesn't really do any analysis on the TD wagon, which seems like something someone who considers themself to be as analytical as Mastin seems to think he is would do.

Mac

- Reasons are in my iso. Scum.

reads are bad bad bad, and if I had a go at it I would say that he is either bussing ftl (it is around that time) and that (sadly) mastin might be scum (again he puts a scummate in the middle). mastin is also a very good player and 1 of the biggest mistakes is that they will claim a skill beyond their level of experience and scumhunting mastin falls into that category (if mastin is indeed scum). while nicky is being incredibly elegant about it reads like a pile of weaksauce.

wrt the scumread on our slot, none of those are scumtells. majiffy pushes people for reactions that is just how he is. he goes overboard cos he does not always pick up on social cues of when he should stop. I already explained we give independent reads on d1 and then fight about them in the night round and their are players here who are familiar enough with us to know that. I have reigned him in a bit and I now have him on a tight leash which is pretty much what I had to do in xeno1. his d1 reads sucked during that game but he was really hitting it on d2, majiffy is the type of player who does much better with flips and info to work with.

I wanna see a nicky flip cos I am really feeling it that he is scum in this game and I think it will provide a whole lot of info. his case on mac looks like scum leaping all over an inconsistency when town can sometimes be inconsistent with their thoughts too. his vote on ftl looks like he is either bussing or being opportunistic.

VOTE: nicky

gonna type up a full list of my reads in a minute.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

reads are bad bad bad, and if I had a go at it I would say that he is either bussing ftl (it is around that time)

It's this one.

Look at the way FTL calls out TD for voting him for weak reasons under pressure, but doesn't even bat an eye at Nick, who is doing

exactly that

.

Oh God... now the issue with Notscience and Rach living together...

No, Rach lives with NobodySpecial. She's saying she refers to notscience as Notty because NobSpec is commonly referred to as NS.

@895Be careful mollie, if you keep grasping at straws that hard, you'll break them, and then you won't be able to keep drinking whatever hard liquor you were drinking when you made that post. Can yall like talk about reads before the end of day one? Is there some reason why have to wait for the first night to talk?

Can we get some more votes on this scumbutt please? ^

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

I keep talking to you like you are town, Nick. I think my brain agrees with my gut.

I think urdoinitwrong

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

town

not science - obviously, and I am with aj he is a terrible choice for a vig shot. confrimed town is always good and in case anybody hasn't noticed ns is actively trying to work with his town reads which is good town play imo, he just isn't being super obvious about it. I think people are preferring style over substance here and I don't think he should be outright dismissed.

sounds of silence - town

mac - town. as I already said, mac's reachout to me looks very genuine he is a gut player and he also works off of other players reads. strong asset to town and the push on him looks very very scum motivated.

aj - it had to do with what he said about td and how his play in this game is completely different than in xeno 1 cos it sooooooo is and anybody who was in that game ought to know that. he was clear and detailed and it didn't look fabricated at all.

td - I get his reaction as I have already said in xeno 1 all he did was try to look harmless lol. in this game he is making a spectacle of himself and taking a lot of heat and his frustration looks town.

venny - frustrated special. I am trying to reach out to him and draw him in and I hope I will eventually get somewhere with him

trust fund - feels very town.

bro - I am putting him here cos of the liar tell thing and he is nitpicking words in posts and putting them together to create some type of scum interpretation of them and I have to say that for him it reads as town. he seems uncertain and unconfident but when he thinks he finds something he is all like "aha!" and gets excited about it.

thez - feels town.

malacat - unsure. her frustration wit majiffy's push comes across as genuine mebbe but I am not the best at reading her.

ghostlin - unsure mebbe town. I had trouble reading him in xeno 1, he is a read I will probably leave up to majiffy.

nacho - unsure, mebbe town. I need to interact with him more.

muffin - mebbe town, I kind of get that vibe.

rach - leaning scum and I just feel like I should have a better sense of her right now. I think she did a ginormous of slipping there for a bit cos it was very clear that she was not keeping up with the thread. she has been repeatedly asked to give out her reads and she has yet to do so.

fil - no fucking idea. biggest null ever

mastin - unsure. he and I are either on the same page on most things or he is scum who is very good at predicting herd mentality. I am not sure if he would be able to predict it this early though so I am going to treat him as town for a bit and see how that feels.

desp - him asking me why I thought andy's post looked scummy gave me the feeling that it was scum who saw a townie do something unexpected and wanted to know what they look for. mala that is what I was talking about with thad in that game. I am finding that to be a decent tell for this site when coming from experienced players. so unsure mebbe scummy. I got my eye on him.

nicky - already said what I thought about him.

skull - <------scuuuuuuuuuuum. needs to be lynched with fire.

andy - scum, strong meta reasons.

so people of interest I am going to be watching like a hawk are nicky, skull, andy, rach, desp and fil. gonna dance a bit with mastin.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

You know how I feel about your day 1 reads. Doesn't matter what I think your alignment is.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Is it both heads are null or one is scummy one isn't or what?

Nope, I'm reading FTL as scum.

Nick votes are bad, and you should feel bad.

Nope.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

I'm not sure that clarifies anything about anything, Varsoon.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Majiffy, I meant why Mollie had them as null.

I understand that. I can't answer for her, but you asked if both heads have him as null. I answered that.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Mollie can you elaborate a bit on why you have ftl in the null?

Is it both heads are null or one is scummy one isn't or what?

cos I flat out can't tell what their alignment is and it has to do with both heads. varsoon is a bit whiney with the "I felt like a disaster in xeno1 and I am trying to improve" which is reminisce of xeno 1 where he was complaining of feeling left out. gun to my head I would say town.

if I had my way and could ask for town to make mollie's wet dream come true I would say lets lynch skull. of course someone will come in here and say "oh but she hasn't posted enough to get a read!!!!" and my answer to that would be YEAH WHY THE FUCK IS THAT. I think what you said was spot on and you are right, it is mostly scum who say things like that. her posts are horrible and skull is capable of so much more.

eta: xposts, majiffy plz just hush, that isn't what he was asking just stop

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Oh but she hasn't posted enough to get a read!!!!

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Pedit-@Majiffy, my question was meant to be if she had both of FTL's heads as null, sorry if that came off strange.

Ohhhhh

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

I maintain that this does not appear to be the town-Malakittens I am used to. Something about her this game just seems...

different

from her town-self. I can't explain it. But she

feels

like scum.

mastin I am loving where your head is at cos you are saying what I am thinking.

Well, then, get Majiffy to knock me out of his scum pile. I'm town. Seriously, I am. I know I haven't been putting on a strong showing. But I swear it. You can trust me to be town this game.

I want to work with you and him. I have Malakittens as scum, and obviously nickthename as scum, both in Majiffy's scum-pile, but I'm going to have difficulty working with you and him if he's calling me scum.

Among them being that I don't see the FtL scumread, and want more talking from you two on him.

I really like your townreads in 907, with the exception of Bro and maaaaaybe Trust Fund. (Who is stuck on null, but if you can, I'd love for you to talk me into them being town.) I also love the nick-scumread, and like your Andrius read as well. So work with me.

well I was just thinking about bro and was wondering if I should him down to unsure. I was back to wondering if the uncertainty is more of an uncomfortableness since he was scum who won in the last game and he is paranoid people are going to scrutinise everything he does. he hasn't followed up with "I caught sound in a liar tell!" so that is a little worrying.

tf is more of a gut read, his reach to me here felt very similar to the one in red wedding where he had to convince me for like ever that he was town cos he subbed into a scummy slot.

how do you feel about skull

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

@B&B: Re-reading, I get that you're trying to dock points from -both- me and Nick, but your lens is set there.

@TD: You made a case. Good. It didn't take off. Make it stronger. Investigate. Do work, you hobgoblin. Don't just cross arms because no one listened to you once and now you gotta insult them because they want you to validate, reinforce, and present your voice.

-V

I don't even know what you are saying here

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Yeah I didn't get that either.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

(Actually, I think I mighta discovered part of the problem. The normal Mastin that most people have been playing with the last two or three years or so

is

a bit of a lie, since whenever I come to MS.net, I begin to wear a bit of a mask. A while back*, I resolved that I'd be trying to slowly disintegrate the mask, and show more of my natural self. Problem is, the natural me is a lot less confident. I guess this game will serve as a testing ground of sorts, then, as I balance the two. Letting more of my natural self in, but

also

becoming the mask, in that I take the better elements of the mask and incorporate them into my real self.)

*Mostly on a different site, when debating the concept of multiple personalities and a resulting PM conversation I had with someone on there about my MS.net self, meaning that the conversation there had an influence here.

also, question:

in pikman you repeatedly called me stupid, so what has changed that you suddenly have decided that I am a decent enough player that you want to work with?

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

You can stop associating him with me pleasssse. I know we're the same slot, but my play is miles away from his.

...
Two RVS posts and a fluff post?

Why is this a problem?

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

mastin wat do you think of nacho? you left him entirely off of your list.

Achievement Unlocked: Slipping from Slip

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

yeah that was me

sorry guys I have about 5 active games with hydras so it might happen from time to time.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

VOTE: RACHMARIE

redemption. sweet, sweet redemption.

you are scum aren't you

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Spoiler: Mollie's nick case

Town-leaning

:

Malakittens

- I've already talked about this, but her entering the thread looks towny.

zMuffin

- Feels authentic, although I'm still waiting on his new reads.

thezmon

- Arguing against him feels like arguing with a thoughtful townie, although I disagree with some of his reads

BROseiden

- I like his notes regarding ghostlin, a player most people seem to have overlooked. His liar tell thing seems dumb, but it also seems town.

I love lists.

remind me again why mala's entrance was town? I thought it was very bad and was starting to scum read her for it but she is looking better and majiffy getting under skin feels like it is coming more from frustrated townie than a scummy act.

so muffin looks authentic and that is why you have him as town? can you expand on that?

thez read is decent

bro read looks vaguely like grooming an unconfident townie.

Null

:

Rach

- She's right up there with zMuffin as far as time since we last heard from her, and her play before didn't really give me much of an opinion on her.

Skull

- Nothing to see here

Nacho

- Not contributing much, but nacho never contributes much. Until something serious that he is forced to react to, I doubt I'll get much of a read here.

Andrius

- His scumread on me feels forced, but his read of the game feels towny. Dunno, really.

Ghostlin

-Yet to see very much from him. His vote on Mala is dumb, but it doesn't really pop out is scum to me. I'd like some reads from him.

TD

- His emotions seem legitimate, but I'm not sure I'm a fan of how quiet he's been lately.

Venmar

- Who knows? Not me.

Those other 2 hydras

- Too hard to read for anything real D1, methinks.
Everyone else I forgot.

if nicky flips scum then andy is most assuredly is his partner. scum always always always put at least 1 partner dead in the middle and hey! I was scum reading andy anyways so

the nacho never contributes much is a bunch of crap and untrue and there should more peeps than just me who will point this out.

nothing to say about venny's claim or play? lol hedge.

Scum-leaning:-

B&B

- The harass of Mala doesn't look towny. That said, the hydra dissonance is strong with this one, and i'm having a hard time even figuring out what they believe. Also, sign your posts, seriously, it's not hard. Can yall like, talk to eachother and agree on reads or something?

FTL

- Have these 2 ever played in a hydra before? Seriously, you guys are harder to figure out then B&B, and not in a good way. MS is barely even legible, and all his question seem completely random and pointless. I see a tiny bit of scummieness poking through from Varsoon in posts like this:
VOTE: FTL
I don't get the feeling they are putting any effort at all into working together, making it hard to get a read. Hopefully they'll eventually feel enough preassure to do it, and then I can be more definitive in my read.

Mastin

- Is dumb and doesn't make much sense. His read on me also looks pretty forced, but since he doesn't really bother to back it up, it's hard to tell. It worries me that he doesn't really do any analysis on the TD wagon, which seems like something someone who considers themself to be as analytical as Mastin seems to think he is would do.

Mac

- Reasons are in my iso. Scum.

reads are bad bad bad, and if I had a go at it I would say that he is either bussing ftl (it is around that time) and that (sadly) mastin might be scum (again he puts a scummate in the middle). mastin is also a very good player and 1 of the biggest mistakes is that they will claim a skill beyond their level of experience and scumhunting mastin falls into that category (if mastin is indeed scum). while nicky is being incredibly elegant about it reads like a pile of weaksauce.

wrt the scumread on our slot, none of those are scumtells. majiffy pushes people for reactions that is just how he is. he goes overboard cos he does not always pick up on social cues of when he should stop. I already explained we give independent reads on d1 and then fight about them in the night round and their are players here who are familiar enough with us to know that. I have reigned him in a bit and I now have him on a tight leash which is pretty much what I had to do in xeno1. his d1 reads sucked during that game but he was really hitting it on d2, majiffy is the type of player who does much better with flips and info to work with.

I wanna see a nicky flip cos I am really feeling it that he is scum in this game and I think it will provide a whole lot of info. his case on mac looks like scum leaping all over an inconsistency when town can sometimes be inconsistent with their thoughts too. his vote on ftl looks like he is either bussing or being opportunistic.

VOTE: nicky

gonna type up a full list of my reads in a minute.

mollie, I feel like your nick case is more succinctly summed up as "I disagree with his reads" and not "he has done scummy things x, y, and z." I think my Rach case is better, and you also think she's scummy--can we do Rach today please? I think her flip will be just as informative as nick's would be, with the added bonus that she's actually been doing scummy things all game, while nick's content and engagement with the thread has him in my townpile.

it isn't just that I disagree with his reads it is his hyper-active aggressive push reminds more of his scum meta than his town. this is our first forum game together but we have played a good bit on skype. he is 1 of my favourite people to play with. his whole defense "your grasping at straws" and saying I was drinking liquor when I voted him is more of the arrogant scummy brush off than his usual thoughtful town play. having said that, his reaction to mastin was reactionary, instantaneous and genuine so I may change my mind about him.

not feeling the rach lynch, I am probably going to push for nacho/andy/mastin but may compromise.

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pm what about nick

I just answered that in the post above you!

his jump to mastin looked really genuine and in the moment. moving him back to unsure.

also andy is such scum, I wonder how long he can keep up the unfounded rage piece going. I find it entertaining.

VOTE: andy

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Now that we can talk about it, Andy's walls in this game tone-wise seem more like his walls in the perpetual lylo game than his early walls in the first Xeno game.

And Nacho calling that town kinda scares me.

now that the game is over we can use it but yeah that is what I think. there is a world of difference between his intro to xeno1 and his entrance into this 1. this feels more like the pm game.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

so can we lynch andy now

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

so can we lynch andy now

Promise me mastin tomorrow and I am forever yours.

can't promise that but we will see

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Lame mollie. I feel so unloved. Imma slash my wrists now and bleed out all over what used to be my heart.

Nah but really, I don't mind mastin or andy, both work.

(((cabd)))

vote andy.

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FTL trying hard to look town since july 2013.

See, it's this shit that I hate, that I fucking loathe, that makes me want to push your wagon harder than anything before I remind myself that you're just a biased, polarized player in a large game.

I'm playing the game, and your fucking stupid bias doesn't allow you to engage with my posts or respond in a god damn intellectual way, but you just spread your ass cheeks on the computer screen, take a massive shit all over the reply box, then giggle and click the submit button. I can't stand it. You're misrepresenting my place while simultaneously suffocating my voice. I'm offering analysis and suggestions, but fuck that, you've got to smear your shit all up and down this thread any time I ever have any input. What does town get out of this post from you? You're actively trying to recontextualize my posts in open forum in order to make me look scummier. That shit is useless for town, and it stinks up the atmosphere. Sadly, everyone shits, and just because yours is foul and put on a damn platter doesn't make you scum, it just makes me cringe every time my eyes have to review your post, because I have this little hope in my heart that maybe you'll contribute something sound and strong, or perhaps when I see my name in the quote box I think, "Oh, finally! Someone's actually going to engage me in a conversation that'll move this stagnant game forward!" And no--I'm just hit with a face full of dingus and somehow, someway, I'm the person who looks shitty. Fuck that, fuck this, fuck everything.

-V

ftr ftl aTe's this hard as scum too.

hey varsoon vote andy and stop whining.

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nacho mebbe mastin, mebbe bro, mebbe skull, probably nacho

didn't I post a read's list

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Yeah but it's been a while. You agree with malatown, right?

mebbe

Those last few BnB posts were by Mollie right?

Do I get a cookie?!?

yes.

can you do the aggressive scumhunting that is in line with a pr?

also vote andy

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

I sense you don't fully agree.

Your sensors are broken.

SCUM
B2B

Deer Andi,

u r dum

Luv,
Jiffy

VOTE: andy

I'm kinda ok with this.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

{FTL, Malakittens, nickthename, Mastin, Andi}
{Ghost, Mac, NS, Silence, Tiphane, Trust, Venmar, Thezmon, Nacho, Muffin, Desp}
{AJ, BRO, Rach, Skull}

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

You could ISO us and ctl-f and probably find what you are looking for. But, a quick summary goes like this

BRO - leaning scum. He looks really uncomfortable wearing the scum-win mantle, which could be coming from a townish place. But, I'm not seeing the well defined observations and really spot-on quote-and-call-out posts that I associate with his play. Everything is kind of mushy and even inaccurate (e.g., the comment about GiF/me not posting much).

Mastin - Null. I see why people are reading him as scum, but I'm not there right now. He looks like town having a bad hair day, basically, and I can think of a couple recent games where I really struggled to get a handle on the game on day 1 (and beyond). That's what I feel like I'm seeing with Mastin.

BnB - Town. Mollie is totally town.

Majiffy's reads list looks town to me

, and I liked the way he broke up the TD flash wagon.

TF - I'm very cautious about the Cabd head of this hydra (the one who's been most active. I think there have been 2-3 Syr posts, though his reads list shows that he's following along and discussing the game with Cabd). Earlier, when Cabd was actively reaching out for data - reads and impressions - I thought that looked pretty town. Now that he's in the mode of herding votes onto his preferred wagon(s) I'm a little paranoid.

GiF thinks Mala's aggressive, even angry at times, play looks town. I'm not there, not yet anyway.

this isn't exactly what you were saying earlier. you were kind of dissing his reads. what changed?

also you have mastin as a light town read, why aren't you defending that more? and what is it about him that makes you want to say it is having a bad hair day?

andy why aren't you helping push the andy wagon?

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I am not a fan of the mastin wagon at all. he has been saying a lot of the things that I have been thinking the only thing that really and truly bugs me is his buttering up after everything he said in pikman.

I really don't see how can people read andy's posts as remotely townish when they look like they were dipped in a vat of steroids intended for a wwf infomercial I mean omg. what he is doing is the very definition of scum posturing. that isn't andy.

I will vote ftl to save mastin. his early posts gave me the heebee jeebees but varsoon has a tendency to do that. he can also aTe like a pro, he is a very good actor and no, I disagree, I don't think he deserves a win because of it. he is a null read that I am willing to lynch.

will lynch nicky too but my strongest strongest scum read is andy.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

dont worry guys we're making a super duper big reads list very soon(like in 24 hours probably)

yes i contributed

yes varsoon polished it

also i love how mollie agrees with all my scumreads

I will vote ftl to save mastin. his early posts gave me the heebee jeebees but varsoon has a tendency to do that. he can also aTe like a pro, he is a very good actor and no, I disagree, I don't think he deserves a win because of it. he is a null read that I am willing to lynch.

ya i got heebee jeebies when i read varsoons posts from page 1-20 when i was catching up

i had to tell him "lol ur gonna get mislynched again"


mollie what do u think about rach

I can tell you 2 apart <3

metal I really need you to bring to the table the same level of play that you did in red wedding when you finally got serious. your case on generic was pure awsumsauce.

I will wait for you guys list.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

also re: rach

I didn't like how confused she kept getting over who was in the hydras and who had posted. she finally coughed up a post with content, mastin and sound are town reading her. rach is lynchbait and I am willing to wait and see more from her for now.

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Molliffy why do you think Mala's scum

I've definitely elaborated. I think Mollie has as well but idk if she's still reading her as scum or not.

the mastin wagon is baaad and the people on it should feel bad

Do something.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Is that to me?

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

the mastin wagon is baaad and the people on it should feel bad

why aren't you voting

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Ok.

I think the "scumslip" is shit fyi. I have other reasons for thinking Mastin is scum

but

I'm being kept on a leash.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Oh hello keeper-of-the-leash.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Nick, Skull are scum pushing.

Welcome to the scumlist, my friend.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Molliffy why do you think Mala's scum

I've definitely elaborated.

I think Mollie has as well but idk if she's still reading her as scum or not

.

the mastin wagon is baaad and the people on it should feel bad

Do something.

I never read mala as scum. I have her unsure. I would like her to be town but she is a hard read for me.

eta: MAJIFFY SHUT UP

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Oh yeah, completely forgot to reference mollie's mastin reasoning. IIRC it was "he's in my headspace, so he's probably town". Is that correct, mollie?

I didn't say he was probably town, but yeah generally I read someone who is thinking along the same lines as me as town. town moves in herds.

I get that you don't like the aTe thing but tbh that is a null tell for him I think. I think you ought to give him a day.

I have been scum with mastin before and he is usually a bit more careful, right now he seems very involved (someone said he felt disconnected and I whole-heartedly disagree) and trying to feel his way around a bunch of players who know each other. the reason I have him sus is cos he was nice to me, which in and of itself is not a good reason to lynch him on d1 over my top scumspect.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

No one ever wants to talk to Majiffy

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Talk to me about people that aren't main topics of conversation right now. Nacho, zMuffin, Ghostlin, AJ.

Confer with Mollie; Town; Town; Scum.

p-edit: It's-a... me

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Talk to me about people that aren't main topics of conversation right now. Nacho, zMuffin, Ghostlin, AJ.

this would be a cool convo to have. mollie, you wanna talk to me about these people too?

Add nick and BRO in there for good measure.

if andy flips scum I am thinking nacho is a good candidate for a partner. he should have zeroed in on the similarities of andy's pl game and instead chose to ignore them. he is out of step plus he is picking on girls.

muffin - not sure. he is defo putting forth effort I almost want to engage him but he doesn't seem interested in anything I have to say. he is defending mastin but going after lynchbait rach so hhhmmm....I dunno.

ghostlin - he is mentioning our name but isn't reaching out. so unsure.

bro is interesting and I asked both cabd and metal a question so I am waiting for a dialogue about that. in rw bro was really uncertain and I might be seeing something similar here. I waffle back and forth with him. he was much more confident as scum in xeno1.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

No one ever wants to talk to Majiffy

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Yeah, I liked his early play too. Mollie, why do you hate AJ? Luigi can answer too.

Skull has made 3 posts; her last post was the one in which she voted Mastin; IIRC, not even for the "slip".

AJ is misrepping Skull by suggesting she is the "pushing scum" in regards to a question involving scum

continuing

to push the MastinSlip argument.

For a number of reasons, his position is demonstrably false.

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Nacho's Andy read really worries me given what several of us know about Andy's scum play.

*nods*

zMuffin looks town to me. I disagree with him on some stuff, but his posts come off pretty damn town-motivated and the trajectory of his reads is internally consistent so far.

Can you elaborate a bit on the town motivation? Also, the timing of his "raaar TF is scum" I found highly suspect.

Ghostlin looks like town-Ghostlin for the most part though there's a thing or two I associate with his town play that I'm not seeing quite yet.

I believe I know what you're talking about, and I agree.

AJ's early play reminds me of town-AJ from Xeno. Now that he's dug in and is starting to pursue reads that's actually something I don't remember from the earlier game but once again - internally consistent and reasonable trajectory. Also he was hammered into a hole in the first game and I don't think he ever had enough stance to effectively pursue his reads.

Yeah, I liked his early play too.

Mollie, why do you hate AJ?

Luigi can answer too.

Nick is playing aggressively. I think he's a little more aggressive than he was in the newbie game that several of us played together, but that was a few months back so I'd expect his comfort with MS game style to be higher.

I will ISO this guy at some unspecified point in the future.

I think BRO is scum. I wrote up a short paragraph why in a reply to ghostlin at some ungodly hour of the morning.

I shall look for this.

I don't hate aj I have him as a strong town read. majiffy is the 1 who is being retarded and keeps trying to pass off his sole reads as both of ours as if he has bothered to talk to me about them.

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majiffy is the 1 who is being retarded and keeps trying to pass off his sole reads as both of ours

Um... No?

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

What did you think of Skull's post with the vote?

I have no read on Skull. Not enough content.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Anyone feel like telling me I'm wrong? Or why I'm wrong? 'Cause really..... That sequence of events was fucking horrible.

because we work with our town reads. we did this in xeno1 so you should be used to it somewhat. yes, town lost, but some d1 town reads should have been reevaluated on d3 and 4 and weren't. it happens.

in this game your play is screaming town so work with us!

that is town syrlacious or I will eat my hat.