Touhou: Mafia in the Land of Fantasy (Game Over)

[pieguyn]

vote: Lush Life

I DON'T LIKE LOSING DUELS
</3

[pieguyn]

where's bork
is that you bork
get in here and duel me

[pieguyn]

YEAH
I took GIF's pagetop

[pieguyn]

There's stuff going on. You should talk about it.

can you tell me what it is

I haven't put on my pink srsbsns mob cap yet so I haven't been paying attention sry

[pieguyn]

so that is beastcharizard. wow I never would have guessed

[pieguyn]

aw come on I wanna at least fuck aroudn a bit
I'll get serious when I feel like it ;w;

[pieguyn]

are you under the influence by chance?

no but even tually I'd like to be :O

I LOL'ed for like 5 minutes straight at this btw

[pieguyn]

bc
1. lazy
2. it's like every game I'm 101% SRSBSNS all the time so this game I wanna mess around a bit before getting SRSBSNS <3

[pieguyn]

Cabd what were you trying to accomplish with the metadive on UFO

[pieguyn]

it's not like I wanted a townblock fastpass anyway
b-b-baka

[pieguyn]

did someone corrupt your meta binder

[pieguyn]

did someone corrupt your meta binder

That wasn't me. That was spayhalf.

are you sure

bc it felt like you ;w;

[pieguyn]

I'm comfortable calling Gaiden town for now. Quick peek shows a lack of frivolity to this extent in past scum openings.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: UFO

Let's do this instead.

do you think he can't fake as scum?

but I don't think kaze is town. like I WANT him to be but

explain

Lush Life should start tagging who on their hydra is speaking to make things easier for us!

Condescending text with punctuation and proper structure is the realm of Majiffy.
condescending text like this tho= Mollie
Everything else = Bork

so you two noticed how I was still fking around, but then Katarina makes a vote on someone who hadn't posted and you have nothing to say? wat

mm

vote: pie

why are you sheeping someone who hasn't explained their vote? also, why am I scum?

You were serious out of the gate in my game, and extremely proactive with it to boot. Why not here?

1. lazy ww
2. I'm doing smth new

Rule 12 infractions everywhere.

VOTE: pie

so you vote the guy who's not breaking rule 12 ok

I don't like the self-referential "I have a town role PM!" shit.

^^^ this

Ftr tsukasa better get out of rvs or shit will go down

so why did you say the guy who's voting me for fucking aroudn is wasting their vote?

Evening. Since I'm a real adult with real adult obligations again(like jobs) I'm not as likely to spampost throughout the day like I usually enjoy doing. You can stop cheering whenever.

what the hell is this
why so sour? this isn't what I expect from you. I expect someone who's excited and ready to go

Less of these, please.

says the guy who gave an excuse for not spamposting throughout the day

your logic is contradictory as fuck

shooting from the hip, I'm inclined to think you're town for it @_@

Tsukasa should have been prefaced with a "maybe" as well. I need more words from that particular slot, but I will say that Tsukasa's RVS durdling sounds like it's coming from a starkly different place than pie's.

if it's not that then explain Tsukasa scum plz

Gaiden & Kaze's interaction looks phony.

care to explain why?

in other newz does anybody find it strange that kaze has put muffinman as town with so few posts? I mean unless he is the rail to his tracer it seems entirely inappropriate.

that

[pieguyn]

for now, I'll townread Tsukasa. he's being proactive early and there's also a ton of defiance in his posts that I tend to attribute more to a town mindset. I especially noticed it here

P.S.

It's way more helpful if you vote me.

That was I know you're VI

and there's others
I'll also townread Lush Life for being obvtown and legitimately townslipping re: Jaqen. also bubbajack for being proactive early. I'll also townread Kaze bc I can't read him for shit and I tend to pick up on a lot of shit from him and I get the feeling if he was scum he'd be more careful and I'd pick up less
morph's frustration re: mollie feels town but idk if they'd get frustrated as scum plus I'm paranoid as fuck about them for practically no reason =.=

townblock: me, Kaze, Lush Life, bubbajack, Jaqen, Tsukasa

@Cabd:

are you all sure of Gaiden town? I wanna be sure he can't fake that opening as scum > <
why is Kaze town?
what's your thoughts on Kise?

@borkjiffymollie:

are you still having reservations about Kaze town?
what's your opinion on Kise?
why the vote on morph?

@Kaze:

same question about Gaiden. also, why is zmuffin town?

[pieguyn]

do you agree with bubbajack town?

[pieguyn]

no comments on or questions about anything i've written so far

apparently not even interested in why i think you're scum

why?

bc I know why you think I'm scum

also, I have other priorities atm. I'll get back to you when I feel like it

feel free to explain why if you want though

[pieguyn]

do you agree with bubbajack town?

I don't disagree with it but not in the upper tier.

if you subtract me your two people of interest are the same as mine

care to explain what you're seeing in dramonic?

[pieguyn]

How the hell am I in your "townblock"? You say you agree with 197 yet me doing the actions outlined there doesn't seem to bother you. You claim I'm acting "sour" and opening different than normal. You find my logic contradictory. You agree that it's odd that I'm reading muffin as town. All this and you're willing to just shoehorn me into your townblock on the grounds of "lol I can't read you but I think I'd be able to read you if you were scum somehow"?

bc my first order of business in large games is to get a bunch of quick townreads that I think will hold up well. just a guess but if you were scum hten probably more people would have picked up on it. and I trust if you're scum someone will be able to identify it in due time, so I feel comfortable with you town for now. see: Sakura in AA:MFA. whenever she's town everything she posts pings me and we tend to get in 1v1s all the time but in that game everything made more sense and all her logic checked out, and she was scum. obv I still have doubts but I don't really care atm

who are you looking at for scum?

[pieguyn]

Neither of these posts sat well with us.

209 pinged me too. she was accusing him of staying in RVS but then said one of the people who voted me (kise iirc) for staying in RVS was wasting their vote. she also accused people of fluff posting when she was doing the same thing herself. it feels like she's just flow-going 0.0

[pieguyn]

hell I should just ask him

@dramonic:

209 pinged me too. she was accusing him of staying in RVS but then said one of the people who voted me (kise iirc) for staying in RVS was wasting their vote. she also accused people of fluff posting when she was doing the same thing herself. it feels like she's just flow-going 0.0

explain this

[pieguyn]

no I mean this

@kise: dat waste of a vote :/

here you say Kise who is voting me, probably bc I'm stuck in RVS, is wasting his vote

Ftr tsukasa better get out of rvs or shit will go down

here you tell tTsukasa to get out of RVS. if staying in RVS is bad then why is the person voting me who's doing that same thing wasting his vote?

[pieguyn]

Im not voting tsukasa am I?

doesn't change my point

I don't see how Kaze's "sour" attitude & contradictions make him a townread for you. Isn't that how we catch scum, when their logic is flawed, when they lie, when their inconsistent, etc.?

ok let me try to explain this
Sakura Hana is a friend of mine and we play a lot. whenever she's town, everything she posts pings me and we always get in 1v1s a lot. however, when she's scum her posts are like 9000x more logical and I hardly pick up on anything from her. the last time I played with Kaze (AA:MFA), we got in a massive 1v1 and he was town. this feels like it could end up being the same thing, plus he's being townread by a lot of people. I get lost enough in large games as it is and the last thing I need is to do a 1v1 that probably won't get me anywhere. also, in AA:MFA everyone besides me read him as town, so I kind of feel like trusting the majority on him is better in this scenario. I can revisit the possibility he's scum later but it's prob better to write him off as town and see what happens atm

Has this worked for you in the past? Links plx

no result. I only have one completed large game and I replaced 50+ pages in, nor did I have this strategy laid out when replacing into said game, as it was my first large
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=31988

But yeah changed my mind, it's whatever.

what changed your mind?

do you agree with Kaze town?

It'd be better for you to explain your guess first and then Muffin tells you whether you were right, and (most importantly) logical. Right? So he doesn't give you a free answer.

zmuffin isn't near the top of my to-do list. I'll get back to him later

What changed your mind?

screw you

in fact theyre not even meh they're shit. FACT

which ones do you disagree with and who would you add? my townblock is v much in flux right now and not solidified, so speak up :>

So can we please lynch this thing now?

actually these points are p good. I'm thinking my townread on him might have been wrong =.=

Vote: Kagami

why?

In the bold, a boy (cabd) is admonishing his teammates to read stuff before posting and giving their scum selves over their own laziness. He would have to be sly to do so in thread, which also shows scum have no day talk. For a boy (cabd) to know scum have no day talk, he too would have to be scum. While the ones this message was to are as yet unknown, cabd slipped

in a very cabd way

. Ergo, cabd is scum. Ergo, morph the cat is scum. Ergo, he should be lynched.

explain bolded?

...You know for supposedly having meta'd around a lot you sure have a pretty piss poor understanding of the prevalence of daytalk on this site's culture.

interesting. you completely dodged Jaqen's actual point

that plus said point makes me think you might be scum

wrt the bold: this. so much of this. like a million times over and I feel like it is poor form to reduce it to past game history regardless of their alignment.

I am not the 1 who is carrying baggage around.

it was a pretty big slip IMO and I am surprised more people did not notice it. and when it was pointed out I was met with :dinorage:

I felt like the slip was a revelation of their true motivation; it didn't feel town.

it also makes sense in the context of trying to cover up said slip. "oops I slipped let's completely blow up the thread so no one notices"

well he was admonishing town pretty clearly.

He is ashamed that town is not as good as himself.

translation "you should all feel bad for being inattentive to detail (though I expect it)".

make of that what you will. feels more like negative reinforcement. could come from scum or town in equal measure.

this is what I thought it meant too. however, the way he dodged afterward makes me unsure 0.0

I also think that ffery's particular exit from the game is town looking.

explain

[pieguyn]

@Lush life:

thoughts on Dan? also where are you at with zmuffin

@Dan:

thoughts on Kise and dramonic?

[pieguyn]

vote: morph

still not sure about the "slip" but oh well I'll bite for now

[pieguyn]

So in case anyone was confused about where the scum on my wagon is, it's pieguy for starters.

holy wow I completely forgot you replaced in

[pieguyn]

@whoever. I actually like dramonic. and kise isn't as [insert some adjective here] as he was in LoZ where he was scum. Barely read him at all though

what do you like about dramonic?

[pieguyn]

So does anyone ACTUALLY think pieguy somehow read all the morph cases enough to vote for me but missed bork spending like half a post talking about how ffery/morph replaced out and how it was town indicative?

~BC

where is this post link plz

like I remember asking why it was town but they haven't answered it

@bork:

why was ffery's replace out town?

[pieguyn]

incorrect. I was obvtown since before the thread opened. plz try again

[pieguyn]

~BC

yep and I asked about this although it was buried in my massive quote wall of death

I think I should stop doing those quote walls

[pieguyn]

cabd thoughts on Dan?

[pieguyn]

I also think that ffery's particular exit from the game is town looking.

explain

[pieguyn]

yeah p much. I didn't put two and two together =.=

[pieguyn]

I need a break from this game

mod: V/LA till wednesday

I'm playing like complete shit and I need to reset. I'll join another large when someone teaches me how to actually play larges = =

[pieguyn]

I'M BACK
I'M READY TO KICK ASS
LET'S GO

[pieguyn]

Nue blast explod
VOTE: Katarina LeBlanc

fake

You have exactly ten pages to be obvtown before bad things happen.

do you know this person?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=29901
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=32107
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=30676

I think this is it. I'll let you know if I find any more.

It is. I actually already meta'd you. I just wanted to see if you'd purposely leave any out. Thanks! ;D

Mental note for later about this being an exact play I did on day one as scum in AMOL to lynch milkshake.

? do you detect potential foul play here?

sees some reads (Cabd's pressure and Kaze's meta)

I'm not a fan of meta. Too big a playerlist to meta everyone anyway.

VOTE: Kaze

was this a serious vote?

follow up on Kaze. this is like good early thinking. I could totally see town-Dan's first major priority being to sort Kaze, being unsure bc of the meta and this reflects that

So I didn't get much out of reading the last pages.

But I generally have vague feelings like ~identical to everything Muffin posts. Except I don't read Pie or anyone else as scum.

lack of scumreads indicates feeling lost which I tend to empathize with

this game has too much of the following

Spam
5 stacks of quote pyramids
point quote point quote point ad infinitum
meta

please no more

I can also empathize with this

[pieguyn]

nothing interesting in Amaranth's ISO so far

someone tell me if jiffy's case on bubbajack is still good

[pieguyn]

There's stuff going on. You should talk about it.

can you tell me what it is

I haven't put on my pink srsbsns mob cap yet so I haven't been paying attention sry

Next time you see beast charizard, ask him if he remembers getting fucking owned by cabd back on pokegym's 20 player game.

It's cute because most of the players there are ones that learned back in the glory days of pokegym WW.


Aaaaaanyways, nostalgia aside, your meta checks out. Fair warning, the standards here are a billion times higher than PO.

looking back on it I don't see the town motivation in this push on UFO. I signed up as a replacement to cabd's tales of the abyss mafia as an alt and he gave me advice on how to stay hidden. this is the complete opposite of what he's doing here by trying to force UFO in the middle of the road, and he didn't do the same kind of meta push with Jaqen iirc (then again IC). it feels a scum motivated push to test how vulnerable UFO is

besides that, I'm inclined to agree with what I remember of the cases on them

varsoon being a derp but also probably town

You sure about that? Here is what I saw from his posts.

I make a post saying I am town (because I am and I know that despite others not having the same luxury). Varsoon says, "How can you say that? Only one person is confirmed town". Which I found odd-scum-odd because...

A) He CONFIRMED HIMSELF as town in his first post AND his second post using the explicit words "However, I'm town, so there's no use in voting me, as

I am now confirmed town.

." And I know he was specifically referring to Jacquen as being confirmed town, or at the very least should have considering how he has been posting.

B) If he were town, he should realize that as town, in a game with an IC, you should know that two people are town (yourself and the IC). It is an INTEGRAL part of scum-hunting. But if he were scum, he would have to pretend he was town (like in his first posts) and the realization wouldn't come natively.

C) I never said I was confirmed town. What I said was Jacquen was tunneling on town which I know to be a true statement.

THEN comes the back tracking when I call him out... (paraphrased in my own words)

GC - Remember when you confirmed yourself town? Why are you saying there is only one confirmed town? You must be scum.
Vars - Oh uhh no, really you can know your uhh own alignment sure, but you cant uhh expect people to trust you. (coming from someone who got banned for a trust tell - oh the irony)
Vars - YEAH you are being dense. I can of course claim town, but you cant use it in an argument. YOU are being weak and anti-town.

What happened to?

I'm gonna slap you nerds with the nitty gritty:

I'm not going to participate in this game very much.

Then comes an onslaught of posts after I call him out. And then comes an admission of a "gambit".

My take: He wanted to chill out D1. Got caught up in the moment trying to help garner support for my lynch and slipped from his fake-stance put forth at the beginning of the day. Now because I actually have a decent case for Varsoon-Scum, he is scrambling and has dropped his "I'm not going to participate in this game very much" because he is in repair-image-mode.

Hey Varsoon! Since you like OMGUS so much...

VOTE: Varsoon

This is a good lynch.

~GC

what the fuck? did you srsly think he was serious when "confirming" himself as town? especially when you just mentioned his trust tell in that same post? haven't got to Varsoon yet but this feels fking ridiculous

[pieguyn]

I left bc I was playing like shit and I needed a break from this game to reset

no I won't stop doing ISOs k thx bai

[pieguyn]

Also you're still not contributing. I don't care how cool you think you are, you've done nothing for this game to help move it along.

First of all, I'm super cool. Super Kawaiidesugoii cool.

I enjoy how you've done nothing at all as well, I've already said my piece on the exchanges early on. I don't understand what you're trying to push to me. There are a lot more active lurkers for you to pick on but I assume you're just threatened by my scumread on you. It's a big game, I'm waiting for things to pan out before jumping on the aggressive. I don't see the need to get needlessly aggressive unless someone scumslips super hard. So far it's been clouded by the entire "fuck you" "no you" "no ur mum" exchange between Cabd and co. I don't understand what they have achieved with that but hey it's there.

this is typical newb scum 101 defense right here. she's trying to defend herself by discrediting her attacker. what does kise "doing nothing at all" have to do with her doing nothing and why does it make the argument less valid? sure she could argue a case of hypocrisy but the progression isn't natural. she immediately defaults to calling him out for doing nothing

I can be omgusy if I want to be, if it's warranted. That's first of all. Second, if you're not ready to be aggressive, how is that different from my earlier comments about not arguing?

There's a difference between arguing and being aggressive. I don't feel an aggressive tone between us right now but I can assure you there is an argument.

My vote is parked on you because I don't feel the need to unvote or move to bubba just yet. I don't like forced wagons so I'm to pick off people who can get by without achieving that much suspicion. You. You're overvaluing your contributions and you should call yourself a hypocrite for calling me out on that!

the last sentence feels fake. mostly gut but w/e

It was pretty much like this last year too. Nobody ever lets me in their circle jerks. It's kay, their hands are too small anyway!

I can be omgusy if I want to be, if it's warranted. That's first of all. Second, if you're not ready to be aggressive, how is that different from my earlier comments about not arguing?

There's a difference between arguing and being aggressive. I don't feel an aggressive tone between us right now but I can assure you there is an argument.

My vote is parked on you because I don't feel the need to unvote or move to bubba just yet. I don't like forced wagons so I'm to pick off people who can get by without achieving that much suspicion. You. You're overvaluing your contributions and you should call yourself a hypocrite for calling me out on that!

If you can trust me on one thing, it's that I

do

have suspicion cast towards me. Looking at the votecount: You, your pal UFO, Lush, GCBC, pie, maybe Tsu and maybe Yuni. So in case you were vote parking to be a hipster...

+ no I'm not a hypocrit. I'm reviewing various players and their conversations. You are singling me out and being mean to me.

So, you were so self conscious that the moment I scumread on you, you try to flip it on me by saying I have not contributed rather than actually building a case. My vote on you initially was mostly gut, you were playing middle man who was trying to backseat scumhunt but the moment I call you out it's immediately an OMGUS on me.

What's up.

this is also bad considering she's been p passive so far. and what's "backseat scumhunting"?

To be honest I don't want to participate in this game either. But I don't like subbing out as well

this feels genuine but my genuine-radar is shit so idk

[pieguyn]

I left bc I was playing like shit and I needed a break from this game to reset

no I won't stop doing ISOs k thx bai

How did taking a break help stop you from playing badly?
If you were playing badly, why didn't you just step it up instead of let yourself get a couple days farther behind?

metaphorically I felt I was on a completely incorrect path right from the start of this game and I had been going down it for a while. in order to fix it I had to p much reset completely

go on try to lynch me I dare you

[pieguyn]

I'm comfortable calling Gaiden town for now. Quick peek shows a lack of frivolity to this extent in past scum openings.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: UFO

Let's do this instead.

RVS SCUMSLIP, AHOY! if you already meta'd him you would have already known how he acts in openings and thus not have to had read after his reaction

take morph out of town reads, tsukasa out of not town reads and swap your name for mine, and this is basically where i'm at atm

Tell me about morph?

So where does the fakeness lead?
That "maybe dram" thing looks like he's still leaning town and you don't want him to look scum

It can lead to many things, but they all have dram posturing as a common theme.

---

Kagami! Come out and play! You're active elsewhere, and I'm pretty sure you're not the type to activelurk as town. Am I finally seeing scum!Kagami?

last sentence feels fake as fuck and is a really easy angle for scum to push to look like they're doing smth

How the hell am I in your "townblock"? You say you agree with 197 yet me doing the actions outlined there doesn't seem to bother you. You claim I'm acting "sour" and opening different than normal. You find my logic contradictory. You agree that it's odd that I'm reading muffin as town. All this and you're willing to just shoehorn me into your townblock on the grounds of "lol I can't read you but I think I'd be able to read you if you were scum somehow"?

this is a great reaction to being townblock'd. but it's fakeable so I'm not sold ><
to answer your question my strategy is basically forming a townbloc in flux and shifting it aroudn till it seems right. then I freeze it and BOOM townblock

What thing with the meta? The metaputer stuff? We're not super deep into Day 1 yet. You expect her to fire on all cylinders from the get-go?

You really haven't noted anything interesting yet? I find that difficult to believe. Have you not had a single read or "oh, that's odd!" twinge in all these pages?

wtf is this?
you call out Kagami for doing nothing then you call out Katarina for "expecting her to fire on all cylinders from the get go"? plz no
it also fits with the idea that your initial questioning of kagami was fake, considering you apparently forgot all about it

So, why not ask some probing questions instead of just watching the pages pass by?

Why did you join this game if you're not willing to commit for a while?

....rly

Can you quote a completed town game where you've made an assessment in this fashion? Thank you.

You're still giving me bad feelings.

WHAT IS THIS
do you really think that
1. whether or not there exists a towngame with this in it is relevant
and
2. this would necessarily be in a previous towngame?
like is this one thing really so important for a meta check?
this question feels fake and like scum busywork

tl;dr: too many fake questions. some of it is gut but oh well

[pieguyn]

kise <- nothing pinged me from him + Dan's read

lush life is obvtown nothing to see there

[pieguyn]

Holy shit seriously? He hasn't even posted!

So uh guys that care. Townslip?

what?? please tell me you know better

yeah I'm reading as a go and making a mental note of reads, but that made me spit water out almost. Why would you consider that a townslip when it looks fake as fuck? And by fake as fuck, I mean it reads to me like a joke.

in fact theyre not even meh they're shit. FACT

DONT ENCOURAGE HIM

all of these feel town

mac remember how in anything goes I wanted mastina dead on d1 but noooooooo people were townreading them despite ap and I, who know him well, telling every1 they were wrong.

remember how they went on to win the game? this is kind of like that

who are you talking about here? alot of people scumread mastin including me, but as time went strong my voice wasn't strong enough to deter DGB's "kat is town don't touch" attitude

I am not talking about I am talking ab out dgb, kuribo, etc.

mac plz listen to me. morph is scum

can you summarize the case?

these are good early thoughts like I can totally see mac being apprehensive about morph and this post matches his intent to work through morph early

Vote: pieguy

Firstly, his town bloc was terrible.

for now, I'll townread Tsukasa. he's being proactive early and there's also a ton of defiance in his posts that I tend to attribute more to a town mindset. I especially noticed it here

I'll also townread Lush Life for being obvtown and legitimately townslipping re: Jaqen. also bubbajack for being proactive early. I'll also townread Kaze bc I can't read him for shit and I tend to pick up on a lot of shit from him and I get the feeling if he was scum he'd be more careful and I'd pick up less
morph's frustration re: mollie feels town but idk if they'd get frustrated as scum plus I'm paranoid as fuck about them for practically no reason =.=

townblock: me, Kaze, Lush Life, bubbajack, Jaqen, Tsukasa

I don't like the "for now" in the first post, because it looks to me like he's shaping up change his mind later on in the game, OR doesn't have confidence in his read. If it's the former, he's probably scum and if it's the latter, why the fuck is Tsu in his townbloc? Lush Life I wouldn't mind being in the townbloc - but he quotes the "townslip" which is totally bullshit because the townslip was

based on Cabd's perception of a slip

- not his own. Personally, I wouldn't consider it a slip in any game, but that's my view. pieguy doesn't express belief this is the case, he just goes with it.

Let's not get started on townreading Kaze because pie is... unable to form a read on him?

Second point is this

vote: morph

still not sure about the "slip" but oh well I'll bite for now

I mean I'm pretty sure pie is pretty fucking logical in games, yet this is what he comes up with? Not pushing his own reads, and pushing morph based on a slip

he's not even sure about?

Yeah, right.

this push on me seems very town motivated

to answer your points, they're all valid. I admit I was playing like shit. so I don't have an answer. as for the "townblock" my strategy is to form a townblock in flux, add/delete to it as I see fit, then when it feels right I freeze it and boom I have a townblock

[pieguyn]

You didn't give off the vibe of being wrong, you gave off the vibe of being not serious or apathetic. So I don't buy that explanation.

I don't think anyone is going to listen to us and lynch you, though.

x.x

for me when I know smth is up I tend to get apathetic/lazy. I knew I was doing smth wrong, making me get apathetic, making me more wrong, etc. to get out of this cycle I decided to take a break and do a full reset

[pieguyn]

nothing to note in messiah complex yet

[pieguyn]

remembrance was entirely null someone remind me what the cases on him were

nothing notable in chamber of kittens either

[pieguyn]

P.S.

It's way more helpful if you vote me.

That was I know you're VI

this had a real nice defiance to it that I attribute more to town

How is kagami town?
How is dram town?
The "naught but complaining about irrelevancies" part. How is that town? It doesn't make sense.
Are you a fake IC?

more defiance

besides that I'm liking how proactive this slot is being

[pieguyn]

You're still off, pieguyn~

how about you shut up and tell me what I should look for in terms of associations :>

[pieguyn]

Nue blast explod
VOTE: Katarina LeBlanc

fake

best

D: Will I explod?

liking hte laid backness here. from a new player I'm inclined to think of this as a town tell although it could be faked

Okay I reread stuff and from 13+ I got extremely lost
so I am extremely lost

I think Kaze is kinda townish due to early towny plays. Remembrance is null cuz not doing anything proving either way.

feels legitimately lost

tl;dr: getting town vibes off UFO although everything in there is fakeable so idk

[pieguyn]

Hmmm?

I'm looking at people one at a time
so I'm more likely to miss the subtle shit that occurs between multiple people
so shut up and help me sort through it :>

[pieguyn]

The best part of the GCBC walling is that he's been constantly trying to get the IC to vote for someone he thinks is an easy mislynch. This serves two purposes--it lets him fuel a mislynch with the notion that since the IC is on it then it's a good lynch, and to further discredit the IC once the flip becomes town. This way, he can keep the IC around, avoid getting scum-read, and make the IC take blame for his own agenda.

It's brilliant, but your plan had one hole, GCBC.
Varsoon is in this game.
Wiggling can commence now.

liking the conviction here and it reminds me of imperishable night how he was all "you're scared of the idea of town-Varsoon crushing you". however idk if he can fake this

For the sake of my sanity and to do right by you, I'm going to assume you're playing the role of a total bastard because you're trying to discredit and trivialize my arguments.

this reminded me of how he reacted to my push on him in imperishable night

Going to go ahead and claim now, too, to show my conviction.
I'm one-shot redirector, Tewi Inabi, of the Good Girls.
My original plan was to use this power to hope to redirect a night kill onto GCBC, but the chances of guessing right, even with PoE, are low as fuck.
So, eh, why not full-claim and further confirm myself as town (get rekt, GCBC).

random claim early also reminds me of imperishable night

[pieguyn]

Reading ISOs one at a time may be the worst possible way to catch up on a game without a grasp of the situation. ^^

SHUT UP I'M GOING TO MAKE THIS WORK

[pieguyn]

can't read zmuffin for shit so I'm skipping him

[pieguyn]

nothing special in yunichikawowwow

nothing special in kagami but she feels town on an entirely gut level. also kagami is town conditionally on kaze scum bc of the callout

[pieguyn]

Once again, majiffy reminding us he cant scumhunt his way out of a paperbag

Too many posts, too much creative license abuse.

morph's posting about the townslip made sense because there's no way scum would all post 3 in a row questioning cabd have an IC they all missed on his reads list. especially if he's hard townreading Lush/maybe kaze. move along, thank you.

Not really sure what you're saying in this post but I'll kindly disagree that GCBC is town.

A man hopes you and Kagami end up on the right wagon by day end.

A man is being hypocritical as fuck.

I have no intention to refute your case, I dont have the patience to try to reason with you.

Your ISO of me is that there's nothing in my ISO. I'm disappointed.

@Yukari Yakumo: Pleaase add a rule against the abuse of posting gimmicks. They're toxic to the game environment and have for sole purpose to bother the other players.

there's a sarcastic defiant tone in all of these that I really like. it's similar to Tsukasa. however this seems easier to fake so I'm not as sold

Kaze casting so many lines hoping to catch dumbtown in "slips"

@Lush : you seriously need to synch your heads, This is ridiculous.

@bubba: calling varsoon scummy for liking majiffy's case is... pretty dumb? You re the one who doesn't want to talk to majiffy.

@whichever-ls-character: still waiting on substance to back that vote

first line is a good observation

Oh my fucking lord Varsoon is so precious ♡

unvote
Vote : varsoon

explain this jump

tl;dr: seems town but a lot of it is fakeable. looking through their ISO I'm not sure exactly what he's trying to do, so he's null atm. should get a better read once I see more from here

[pieguyn]

Also, I like your ambition with the ISOs but you're trying too hard with not enough real results. Everything is resulting in hedge because you're trying to go too fast.

more like I have way too many null reads and I'm having trouble sorting through them all
help me with these people
Kagami
Amaranth [H]
YuniChikako
The Chamber of Kittens Remembrance [H]
Messiah Complex (Desperado + FormerFish) [H]
dramonic
zMuffinMan

[pieguyn]

SHUT UP I'M GOING TO MAKE THIS WORK

What you've made is a ton of noise.

how about you do smth useful instead of trying to trap people into scumreads like you've been doing all game kthx

and respond to my case on you

[pieguyn]

Its a large on day1. Most of your reads SHOULD be nullish?

quit complaining and give me your thoughts on them \:D/

[pieguyn]

I feel skipped...

b-b-baka
all your ISO is is the whole self voting and then like 4 posts saying you're going to catch up

[pieguyn]

VOTE: Pie

I still like this best, I guess, in the end. If anyone wants me to case I can case but it's kinda obvious?

thx for confirming to me you're scum

how convenient that you missed 635. I'd expect you of all people to see it and back down. but nope

also you misrep'd the fuck out of me when you said my read on you was just "following the IC". there was more to it than that and you know it. see my post about you. your "meta" dive on UFO wasn't town motivated at all, + mollie's case + the whole "townslip" deal which is where Jaqen and others were coming from iirc. so there was more to it than that

vote: GCBC

[pieguyn]

also i agree with kaze in that reading things only in iso means you miss out on what is being said in context <--- mebbe it is just me but I have mostly only seen scum do this

so you are still really not playing. I think you are just going through the motions.

for the record I have read or at least skimmed the whole thread. p much all of it is a shitton of noise and/or tl;dr. the only underlying contexts I could really make out behind any of it were GCBC v. Varsoon, jiffy v. bubba, GCBC v. UFO and all that shit with the "townslip" earlier. I've tried to take what I could remember of the underlying contexts into account when ISO'ing and if you look at my reads some of them (GCBC's push on UFO) are based off context. given I had only skimmed everything after I left and I couldn't remember a lot of it very well, I also wanted make sure I didn't miss anything notable (extra interactions and other shit I didn't pick up on)

and I find it incredibly weird that you yak about town blocs but have made no effort to reach out to the IC I mean his posts should have been the first 1s you commented on. nor have you reached out to me nor to gcbc and I think you have the 2 slots as town?

ok my idea of a townblock is prob wrong then. I basically just try to get a really solid set of townreads, which I call a townblock. but an actual solid townblock doesn't really come around till later when there's a set of people who are generally agreed upon to be p much guaranteed town. and there's a lack of separation from the townblock and everyone else, bc these are people who are universally agreed upon and townread. this allows town to work together and have a good dynamic and also allows for balancing in the case there's scum in said townblock

however, when you try to force a townblock it invariably winds up with all the scum in it. forming it based aroudn the IC is forcing it bc you work yourself into a cycle of confbias based around your other reads and especially if a scum gets in there everything gets fked up

also I have GCBC as scum

[pieguyn]

since when did you give up on even trying to read me entirely?

I hardly ever try to formally sort you. in imperishable night my scumread on you was entirely POE besides an entirely gut townread I had near the start. in marketplace mafia I had a correct scumread on you but idk how accurate the way I got to said scumread was and you made me reverse it. that was the only time I tried to formally sort you and given I did it wrong I'm not sure how long it'll be till I try again

[pieguyn]

what am I curious about is why pieguy thinks town-Dan has a priority to sort Kaze over players that he has experience with? Explanation needed there.

no my point was the internal logic behind his questioning held up. it felt like he was legitimately curious about Kaze and trying to sort through him

again, pieguy's iso's don't stand out and don't do nothing in the way of reads. "town, could be fakeable" - alot of idk's from him. Still scum, picking and choosing posts from an ISO to look busy.

I have GCBC, Kaze, Katarina, and previously bubbajack as scum and my null reads were posted somewhere. believe me, you're wasting your time here :>

[pieguyn]

I see this comment made a lot more from scum than town, by the way.

I don't. start doing some actual scumhunting instead of trying to trap people into scumreads like this plz

So, let's lynch bubba sometime? If you're really that afraid of him, I'll hammer(though I think many have also offered before me.) If it must be put off until later, I'm still open to lynching pie.

how about you respond to 1168 instead of writing it off as noise kthxbai

also I dare you to try to mislynch me. you won't succeed, ever :>

[pieguyn]

My secondary response is likely something akin to "Your case is awful."

care to explain why?

And I have no intentions of mislynching anyone.

your play this entire game says otherwise

[pieguyn]

wow you actually did it? I thought your whole policy was that you don't interact with scumreads (see AA:MFA). why change it here? is it bc you're scum and feel the need to act all defensive?

Apples and oranges. The difference being I called out Kagami for starting slow in general, Kat was calling out Kagami for not firing up the metaputer from the start.

no. your whole point was that Katarina shouldn't be expecting Kagami to be playing 100% right from the get go. if not, what's so specific about the "metaputer" that would cause you to focus explicitly on that? Kagami did smth that indicated she wasn't playing at 100%, Katarina called her on it, and you called her for calling her on it

all your responses suck. for each of those questions I wanna know why you asked said question and what you thought the scum motivation was behind said actions you were questioning. also cite this

I see this comment made a lot more from scum than town, by the way.

bc I disagree. a lot of the time my vote doesn't match who I'm pressuring atm when I wanna pressure multiple slots. so this is not a scumtell. speaking of AA:MFA, remember how TNE was scum and kept poking people bc "OMG you're scumreading this person but your vote is on this person!!1!1!" this is the same shit as that

Okay? Why not just...form reads before you start making a townblock...?

see my response to mollie

[pieguyn]

Sigh. I knew I shouldn't have humoured you.

dear kaze,

this is a notice to inform you that if you're town and you consider this to be a legitimate strategy you're being a useless sack of shit and being confbiased as fuck

if you're scum it allows you to just hide and not respond to anything I post because "lol ur scum". so I'm inclined to think you're scum for it. especially bc you slipped and it wasn't till I called you on it that you stood by your idea of not responding to scumreads

how hard is it to cite that statement you made about scum saying their vote doesn't have to match? like really? a quick listing of all the games where you remember hearing this and the alignments of said people who said it would have sufficed and did a lot to make me believe said line of questioning is actually legitimate

seems to me like I called your bluff and you don't wanna justify it bc you literally can't

sincerely, pieguyn

[pieguyn]

what the fuck is this? you've been scumreading me for a while now, so why would I be getting on your nerves? if you think I'm scum you should understand that my actions are going to be awkward, bc I'm scum.

this is not town motivated thought. I'm getting on kaze's nerves bc I'm putting pressure on him. kaze is scum

and if it's getting your nerves then answer the fking questions

[pieguyn]

this is awesome and you should feel awesome

[pieguyn]

I'm doing a meta dive on Kaze bc I wanna make sure the random questions he's asking isn't based on playstyle. I suck at meta (and this is only like the second time I've tried to do a real meta dive) so bear with me

TOWNGAMES

Micro 273: There is Trouble in Paradise http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=34836
there's really a lack of reactive questioning in his ISO at all here, really. there is also way less walls and when he did wall, he always addressed what he was responding to directly, even if it was in the form of a question. there's many examples (read: the whole ISO), but just one example of it is 114:

"I see you're the type to make jokes when you're nervous."

there was also 183 where he explains the motivation in his questioning. then 217:

"I want to be futile and silly looking, too."

AA:MFA http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=34161
there's some wall posting in here, but again his responses directly follow from what he's quoting and it was apparent he is very firm in his stances. he started with this early on in post 108 where he declared an early scumead on Cabd for not doing anything relevant to the gamestate. in the same post he declares another scumread on theslimer3 for trying to discredit RVS. I was most taken aback by post 64 where he asks me to explain my RVS strategy and then in 70 he explains that the reason behind said question was to get insight into my thought process. it shows the town motivation in his questioning and responses to posts is very clear. then he continues with 114 and this continues throughout the whole game.

(ooc: in 272 he calls me for the same voting argument he brought up earlier where my vote didn't match who I was pressuring and I was town in that game)

SCUMGAMES

Micro 277: The Silky http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?t=34919&f=83
in this game he starts with the questioning early 17 when he questions someone on not putting a vote in RVS. somewhere later down the road (58) he asks a question about YellowKingValley, in response to a question about HayatoBL. I was kind of shocked bc it didn't really have anything to do with what he was quoting. I was also seeing a lot of his stances weren't very firm - in 62 up to 70 he was commenting on a plan on how to use a vengeful shot. he felt really indecisive about the whole thing. it comes up again in 104 when his tone indicates he wasn't sure of what YellowKingValley's plan. it feels like he was trying to make some "realization" to trap YKV into a scumread (he was town)

Newbie 1436 http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?t=31510&f=11
this game seemed like his towngames. then I got to 517 -

"lol. Do you always throw out insults when you feel like people are on to you?"

(towards TSO ) this question feels way like what he's doing here and I didn't see questions like this in his towngames. it's not a firm stance and it doesn't have to really do with much of anything considering it's kind of style based and not really alignment indicative (TSO was town). there was also 542 where he joins a TSO wagon and gives a really shaky stance that's anything but firm. then 763 -

"Cabd why do you use alcohol as an excuse to post abrasively/derply all the time?"

which is another sketchy question. there were firm stances e.g. 576

"Dislike. "Ohey this is/could be town v. scum." This is usually a free pass to push one to lynch and say "Oh, well obviously it's the other one" when they flip town. This gives me bad feels."

but on average there seemed to be less of them

tl;dr:
1. tone isn't alignment indicative for Kaze
2. the way Kaze writes off suspicion isn't alignment indicative
3. town Kaze is on average firmer in his stances
4. town Kaze also has a clear town motivation behind the questions he asks which he isn't afraid to explain
5. scum Kaze asks weird questions about things that aren't alignment indicative. which town Kaze doesn't really do
which makes me lean towards Kaze scum here bc of all the fake questions he was asking that were similar to the ones in newbie 1436.

@Kaze:

I'm well aware I suck at meta. if you wanna help me out and either give me some towngames where you ask the kinds of questions I was bringing up this whole game or explain the motivation behind the questions you were asking, plz do

@zmuffin:

given the kind of failed meta dive I tried to do on you in marketplace where you said I was "seeing what I want to see", can you help me out with this? I assume scum manipulation had a lot to do with that comment but I assume there was at least some truth in it and I don't wanna do the same thing here

[pieguyn]

Ugggggggghhhhhhhhh. Kill me.

What questions are you referring to?

so you saw you couldn't dodge my points any further and thus have to face me directly?

anyway here

Kagami! Come out and play! You're active elsewhere, and I'm pretty sure you're not the type to activelurk as town. Am I finally seeing scum!Kagami?

You really haven't noted anything interesting yet? I find that difficult to believe. Have you not had a single read or "oh, that's odd!" twinge in all these pages?

So, why not ask some probing questions instead of just watching the pages pass by?

Why did you join this game if you're not willing to commit for a while?

What an odd thing to say. Isn't it a bit early to start getting defensive?

Can you quote a completed town game where you've made an assessment in this fashion? Thank you.

Have you been reading the game or have you just been using it to yell at Jiffy?

I see this comment made a lot more from scum than town, by the way.

just to be clear let me explain my point again since looking back I didn't fully explain it
these are all very easy angles to push. from what I can tell, town you might make comments on them but you never ask questions like this or try to develop said easy angles. instead you just declare one of your firm stances and call it a day. my conclusion is that when you're scum you want to appear busy so you need to spend more time to develop these easy angles with these shit questions to look like you're legitimately scumhunting and trap people into scumreads. when you're town you don't bother and you come up with way better and more relevant ideas

town you: "I see you're the type to make jokes when you're nervous." <- this is a firm stance and you elave it at that
scum you and what you're doing in this game: "lol. Do you always throw out insults when you feel like people are on to you?" <- here you're actively pushing this easy angle to set up all the shit, look busy when you're really doing nothing, and potentially trap people into scumreads.
just as an example, I'd expect town-you to go
"I see you're not reading the game and are just using it to yell at Jiffy."
and not
"Have you been reading the game or have you just been using it to yell at Jiffy?"

there's also this blatant defense of GCBC

The case on Cabd? fucking balls. I can't tell how many of you are just foolishly following the sewage Jaqen is spewing out and how many are scum taking the opportunity to build up on the wagon, but you're all definitely ridiculous and/or scum. I think a lot of the people on the wagon in question are actually both! Notice how quickly it moved?

which fits with the "follow the IC" idea Varsoon put out there. kaze + GCBC team anyone?

Why are you putting so much effort into making a case on someone who isn't even your preferred lynch/the recipient of your vote?

I love how this has absolutely nothing to do with anything whatsoever. how does this have anything to do with my case on you? why does the fact that my vote isn't on you or that I prefer to lynch GCBC today make my case any less valid? this is a blatant deflection

not to mention you still haven't justified your statement that "the idea that votes don't match who I'm pressuring comes more from scum than town!!1" which is p much what this whole statement is based on isn't it? fail

incidentally, tbh after this shit response my scumread on you is stronger than GCBC. you were trying to coast through D1 and avoid suspicion but now that I've posted a painfully obvious meta case on you it's not going to work anymore ~ but idk if I can swing a wagon on you

[pieguyn]

@Pie: Damn straight, that's the Pie I know and love. Good work, man. I like Kaze a lot as a player, but I don't know what to think of him this game. I interacted with him a bit to see how he responded to buddying, and, ultimately, I got that he wasn't willing to buddy me hard in response, but didn't push me away either. He also stuck to his scumread on you, Pie, so I figure that he's either really sure of himself or really pushing for the mislynch as scum.

this makes me feel warm and fuzzy :3 especially considering I don't consider myself good at meta

I don't think it's necessarily hard for scum to stick to a scumread on me in his game. I'm a p easy mislynch target (even though we all know I'm never going to be mislynched) so this kind of behaviour is exa ctly what I'd expect from Kaze scum. he sticks to his "read" and keeps rallying votes for me bc he knows he'll probably get them. do you disagree?

also, how do you like the chance of Kaze + GCBC team?

[pieguyn]

So, what exactly is wrong with the questions you listed, again? I'm not going through the trouble of pulling up meta of me posing similar questions because that doesn't really prove anything and I'm sure you'll try to find some way to say x =! y anyway. All I can really say is you're wrong and leave it at that. Don't like it? Quit taking shots from the sidelines and commit with a vote on me.

nope. you don't get to sit there and hide bc "omg your vote isn't on me!!1". that has nothing to do with the validity of my case on you. and I JUST SAID THIS AND ASKED YOU TO BACK UP THIS STATEMENT AND YOU STILL HAVEN'T BACKED IT UP. you can't run away anymore ~

it's not semantics. it's flat-out you're trying to trap people into scumreads with BS questions which is scummy in itself BUT ON TOP OF THAT it's smth that appears relatively often in your scumgames but not in your towngames, with the underlying logic to back it up (which is what I explained that I realized was missing from my big meta-dive post). but ok I'll explain just this once <3

Kagami! Come out and play! You're active elsewhere, and I'm pretty sure you're not the type to activelurk as town. Am I finally seeing scum!Kagami?

in addition to looking fake as fuck, this question is stupid. as town, kagami wouldn't be firing on all cylinders yet. so by making her post when she's not at 100% then you can go "omg you're [not at 100%] you must be scum", where [not at 100%] is anything that results of her not being at 100%. also what makes you think activity is alignment indicative for her? as scum shit like this is really easy to pick up on and then you can point it out and boom you have an objective scumtell that you can push without even having to think if said action comes from town or scum motivation

You really haven't noted anything interesting yet? I find that difficult to believe. Have you not had a single read or "oh, that's odd!" twinge in all these pages?

this question is bad. it's a really easy angle for scum to push. and you're pushing it without thinking about if her lack of reads actually comes from scum motivation

So, why not ask some probing questions instead of just watching the pages pass by?

^

Why did you join this game if you're not willing to commit for a while?

REALLY? do you really think joining a game you're not willing to commit to for a while is alignment indicative? what the fuck? this is a flat out filler question case in point. it allows you to sit there and look like you're scumhunting without doing jack and shit

What an odd thing to say. Isn't it a bit early to start getting defensive?

same as the one 2 above this

Can you quote a completed town game where you've made an assessment in this fashion? Thank you.

yet another easy angle. and what made you believe smth like this would necessarily be in a previous town game? it feels more like scum busywork than actual qusetioning

Have you been reading the game or have you just been using it to yell at Jiffy?

same as the one 2 above this

I see this comment made a lot more from scum than town, by the way.

you haven't backed up this statement with evidence despite the fact I've asked you several times. is it really that hard? the fact you're so hesitant to back this up, IMO, indicates you can't actually back it up bc it's fake as fuck. you should also know from AA:MFA how my vote didn't match whoever I was pressuring several times and I was town in that game

all these questions are examples of weak, easy angles that I found completely lacking in your towngames. explain yourself or die :>

[pieguyn]

I've got a better idea

shoot: Kaze

I'm a 1-shot dayvig. I crumbed having a confirmale role in 635 and softed it several times with the "you'll never mislynch me". if you're town I don't regret this shot at all bc this is so anti-town idgaf; if you're scum, die scumfuck :>

[pieguyn]

But, would pie lend his vote this day that a man will return the favor on the morrow?

I'm already on GCBC

note how kaze used that as an excuse to dodge all my points. note also how he's scum

[pieguyn]

umad

[pieguyn]

^ that

[pieguyn]

explain gaiden and mac

[pieguyn]

how sure are you of GCBC town

[pieguyn]

ok I really hate pissing people off and no one else is online so I'm calling it off now. thx for being town as fuck \o/

inb4 it really is Kaze + GCBC and they're just tricking me

[pieguyn]

it was a gambit

and no I'm not getting lynched

No waynegg, I''m telling my scumbuddy not to waste one of our pools of fakeclaims. </sarcasm>

No shit I meant the dayvig shot.

(Also pie I was kinda scumreading you for that crumb because I thought you were setting up a maosn fakeclaim down the line and masons + IC = pffft yeah right)

so that's what it was

anyway, since I don't want WIFOM down the road

claim: mason encryptor

since I'm an encryptor scum don't have daychat unless there's 2 encryptors in this game

I thought you missed and/or ignored the crumb and that was in no small part where my scumread on you came from. but this explains it and you obviously saw it so if you're scum you know my role by now anyway so might as well put it on the table

@Kaze: let's work together here instead of getting into another pissing contest like in AA:MFA. OK?

[pieguyn]

yeah

we get daychat, but since it was in the form of my role I'm inclined to think scum doesn't get daychat. I'm not claiming my partner

I claimed bc
1. scum probably knows my role by now anyway cause I crumbed it about 923847239 times
2. if I claim it later people are gonna wonder if it's a fakeclaim and that's just counterproductive
3. people seem divided over me atm which is also counterproductive
4. I don't want a shitton of WIFOM about this gambit

@Katarina:

no, it was a gambit. what do you think of his reaction? also, thoughts on GCBC?

[pieguyn]

encryptor is a role that allows anyone that it can communicate with to communicate during the daytime. it's usually a scum role and allows scum daychat but in this case it allows me and my partner to get mason daychat

what was your read on Kaze before he got "shot"? was he always a townread?

@Jaqen:

talk to me about those questions Kaze was asking. after seeing Kaze's reaction do you disagree with my points on him? I'm already having paranoia that the reaction was faked although he basically did the blacklist tell and idk if he'd deliberately go that far as scum

[pieguyn]

does it specifically say it's limited to you and your partner?

p much
it doesn't specifically mention it's limited to me and my partner but it says that it allows me and my partner to talk during the day and makes no reference to anything else so I assume it's just works on us

if there's only a "partner" there is no logical reason for there to be a designated daychat enabler in your supposed Masonry. Your post implies a two-person Masonry. If one dies, the other obviously doesn't get daychat because there's nobody to chat with. Your claim is fake.

it's weird yeah (my partner got confused about it too) but I assume it's there specifically to give us daychat outright and that daychat is turned off by default across the whole gamestate (which is why I think scum doesn't get daychat. if they did there'd be 2 encryptors and GIF might as well just turn daychat on by default instead)

Pie, you're mason encryptor with a partner? Have you asked if you partner is an encryptor? Where have you crumbed your role?

635
my partner isn't encryptor. I assume my encryptor is just there to give the two of us daychat which makes me think daychat is turned off by default.

Why the fuck did you claim?

1. I don't want any fking WIFOM about this gambit. once it gets revealed I'm not a dayvig people are going to waste a shitton of time wondering what role I really have. given scum knows at least I have a confirmable role it'd be better to fullclaim for the information gain
2. scum knows my role anyway (or at least that I have a confirmable role) especially after I specifically pointed out I crumbed my role and exactly where I crumbed it. so I might as well fullclaim and also share the info that scum probably don't have daychat
3. if I wait till later people might get all suspicious of it being a fakeclaim which is counterproductive
4. everyone seems divided on me atm. given scum knows I have a confirmable role anyway it'd be way better to just fullclaim it so we can focus scumhunting efforts elsewhere

[pieguyn]

woops missed one

Pie, if you thought I was scum, why breadcrumb your mason role in a way you KNOW I'd recognize it as such?

~BC

at the time I crumbed it I thought you were town. it wasn't till I looked at your push on UFO again and realized I didn't really like it that I thought you were scum. then you ignored the crumb and I thought it was weird bc I knew you of all people would recognize it. my read on you is currently in flux but I'm still leaning scum for that reason. plus there was a point in Varsoon's case I thought was p good. I might go back and look at it in more detail but I'm inclined to agree you were hiding by the IC at some points, and I agreed with this

Therefore, positing that I'm just claiming a 'Slayers Gambit' instead of actually doing it (which, if you look, I actually did) is a lie. In post 1230, GCBC directly speaks about my gambit and calls it scummy, which means that he does acknowledge that I actually did perform the gambit—this stands in direct contradiction of him acting as if I just claimed a gambit

^ can you explain this plz

[pieguyn]

p muchit doesn't specifically mention it's limited to me and my partner but it says that it allows me and my partner to talk during the day and makes no reference to anything else so I assume it's just works on us

By default an encryptor works on the entire game, unless it specifies otherwise. Like the scum encryptors in both of my setups have given town neighbors daychat, etc.

woah I didn't know that

anyway, this one specifies it's for me and my partner

[pieguyn]

One of a man's scum reads protecting another of a man's scum reads...

do we have the same gog damn reads or what
like I srsly had both katarina and kaze as scum before this whole clusterfuck 0.0
why is katarina scum? and what do you make of kaze's reaction? do you think he can fake it as scum?

One of a man's scum reads protecting another of a man's scum reads...

I'm a scumread?

So if I'm correct your scumpile right now is the exact opposite of my townpile. That being Kaze, Varsoon, GCBC, and Lush.

I'm sorry but despite being IC you have pretty bad reads >:O

explain Kaze town

this is another scum motivated comment btw. you just say he has bad reads without explaining why they're bad. as it is it just looks like you're discrediting. do you generally make comments like this? 0.0

in other newz messiah continues to bathe with scumsoap and somehow people are ignoring this. it boggles the mind.

tell me more \o/

[pieguyn]

don't ever post any picture related to gollum
I hate that fucker bc he's an enormous bitch and I wanna strangle him and by extension anyone who posts a picture of him

[pieguyn]

tl;dr version \o/

[pieguyn]

I stand prodded
content later

[pieguyn]

I'm fine with varsoon

vote: varsoon

looking back on it I think he was buddying me earlier

@Pie: Damn straight, that's the Pie I know and love. Good work, man. I like Kaze a lot as a player, but I don't know what to think of him this game. I interacted with him a bit to see how he responded to buddying, and, ultimately, I got that he wasn't willing to buddy me hard in response, but didn't push me away either. He also stuck to his scumread on you, Pie, so I figure that he's either really sure of himself or really pushing for the mislynch as scum.

he said this despite me saying outright that I suck at meta, when it was implicating someone who he wanted to support. and then he immediately flip flopped on Kaze afterward

It's likely, given their votes and play.
I'm more interested in finding a single scum for today's lynch over figuring out teams, but that seems really likely. GCBC and Kaze have both been on your wagon.

I want to believe in the shot.
But I also want to believe in Kaze.
'cus, y'know, he's like my son.
It's okay Kaze, I've been in your position before. Dying early in games you really like is always a bummer.

[pieguyn]

While I agree that kaze's behavior is not what I have seen in the past as town-kaze, I'm beginning to think it's because of the largeness of the game rather than the content of his role PM

this makes a lot of sense actually. I tend to feel lost in large games and I think that can account for the differences in the way he's acting here. also I'm kind of inherently biased against him bc of his playstyle

can someone who can read serene tell me why serene is scum? I'm not seeing it

town: Dan, Jaqen, GCBC, Lush, Tsukasa, Mac, maybe Kaze, maybe bubba
this is where I'm at atm. I'm really worn out. someone ask me a question

[pieguyn]

also I want a full wagon. I don't want anyone lynched without having a full 11 man wagon. the last thing we need is for scum to just sneak by and not have to take any accountability for anything

[pieguyn]

I'm ok with gaiden but are you all srsly sure varsoon can't fake this as scum? it's not really hard to fake. especially given all the random shit recently about people who ragequit and how it's become a "trust tell" even though it's really not, I could totally see varsoon-scum playing that card

@Varsoon:

can you clarify exactly what your read on Kaze has been throughout the game? it seemed like you were flip flopping on him a lot aroudn the time of my fake dayvig shot

[pieguyn]

He can but his claimed role is verifyable, and he should attempt to re-direct the kill onto the claimed "kinda sortaish PGO" tonight if we don't end up lynching either of them.

oh yeah that's the other thing. it's verifiable but it could just as well be a scum role. remember xenogears? (incidentally there was a scum role with a 1-shot redirect in that game although it's probably just a coincidence LOL)

[pieguyn]

Spoiler: anime

/points to avatar <- god anime right there
currently watching higurashi. only like 15 episodes in to S1 but it's p good so far even though I don't know what's going on at all \:D/
saki is also good. S2 hype \o/
I can't get into those high school slice of life style anime. I've tried but I can't get into them. guess it's not my kind of thing
toaru majutsu no index/toaru kagaku no railgun is god
C^3 was also good. so is ika musume
so yeah I don't watch that much but the ones I watched were all really good :>

[pieguyn]

Side note: higurashi is the greatest.

guess how I got introduced to higurashi

it was actually bc of a higurashi mafia theme game someone ran on my homesite and it had a really cool mechanic. won't say what it was bc spoilers

I was scum and I lost .-. I got investigated by the cop N1 and pulled a fakeclaim out of my ass that got me to D3 at least. the 3rd scum pulled an epic 3rd party fakeclaim and made it all the way to MYLO on D6 but he got lynched and we lost T_T

[pieguyn]

Action Dan
Waynegg
Lush Life
Tsukasa
Mac
Kazekirimaru
Muffin
Messiah Complex
Pieguy

^Untouchable Pile for today

thoughts on bubbajack? no offense to bubba but the way he went about claiming was so full of derp I don't think he'd be able to fake it
explain MC and zmuffin?
besides that, we have the exact same townpile. I like where this is going although I'm a bit paranoid

[pieguyn]

pdodge
was on vacation

[pieguyn]

so p much nothing happened while I was gone except a counterwagon on gaiden ok

The lack of activity in this game makes me think the scumteam is happy with the wagons as they are.

this kind of assumption is bad especially with plurality lynches. in a game on my homesite that just completed, a scum got lynched with only 2 votes on the wagon (out of 4 required to hammer) so assumptions like this can be really misleading. anyway, who are the scum who are happy with the current wagons and what do you make of a gaiden counterwagon popping up after you said this?

Yep.

So; dram, Mac, and Chamber for the scum on Varsoon's wagon? Who wants to start taking bets?

why Mac

Kise

explain

current scumpool is {Varsoon, Katarina, Kagami, Amaranth, Messiah, Dramonic, CoK, Kise, zmuffin}

[pieguyn]

I'm not switching. the gaiden wagon looks really scum driven and the Varsoon wagon looks town-driven (although this is positional) and it makes me think gaiden is a scum-driven counterwagon to Varsoon. add to that how easy gaiden is to lynch considering he's been a giant lurkfuck and his wagon is skeevy is fuck

[pieguyn]

@mod: that votecount was wrong Varsoon was actually at L-3

and now it's tied and idk who it'll go to

@mod: can you clarify plz

there's no way in hell gaiden should be lynched. his wagon is skeevy as fuck in p much every way imaginable

[pieguyn]

I guess I could do this

vote: Dan

let's make it happen

[pieguyn]

hey zmuffin if you hop on dan it's only 4 votes

Gaiden wagon is much better because he has a chance of being scum, and is being useless as town.

this is exactly why I think gaiden is an easy lynch for scum to push and that scum are jumping on it as a counter to varsoon. he's being a giant lurkfuck yeah but he's not even around to defend against his wagon and it's really easy to push lynches on lurkers

can you answer my question plz 2264

[pieguyn]

I changed my mind

[pieguyn]

I kind of agree with your point, but I'm feeling nearly certain that varsoon is town, so it's hard for me to believe that the gaiden counterwagon is scum-driven.

it's highly perspective based. 5 of the people on that wagon are in my scumpool and Lush, Mac, GCBC, and Jaqen are all town. generally I find determining the alignment of the player being wagoned based on the wagon itself as opposed to the other way around is more reliable, bc there's less room for error (if you misread the person being wagoned it affects your read on everyone on the wagon, but it's way less likely to misread a bunch of people as opposed to one person)

[pieguyn]

also I'll get back on Varsoon if dan doesn't go anywhere

but I'll never get on gaiden. ever

[pieguyn]

WHAT THE FLYING FUCK

[pieguyn]

VOTE: ACTIONDAN

VOTE: ACTIONDAN

VOTE: ACTIONDAN

VOTE: ACTIONDAN

VOTE: ACTIONDAN

SERENE WAS ONTO YOU
AND YOU KILLED HER
I WILL AVENGE THEM
DIE

Spoiler:

am I doing it right

[pieguyn]

LOOK AT THE SHEER AMOUNT OF NOTHING IN HIS ISO

LOOK ALSO AT HOW HE IS SCUM

[pieguyn]

A MUFFIN IS FINE TOO

BUT I WILL NEVER SET ACTIONDAN FREE. HE IS AS GOOD AS DEAD. I WILL RUN HIM INTO THE GROUND EVEN IF MY LIFE FORCE BECOMES EXTINGUISHED BY DOING SO

[pieguyn]

YES

GUESS WHY ACTIONDAN WAS A COUNTER
A CERTAIN SOMEONE VOTED HIM
AND THEN TOLD ME TO HOP ONTO HIM AND THAT WE WOULD GAIN MOMENTUM

THE FACT THAT HE WAS A COUNTER IS NOT RELEVANT HERE

[pieguyn]

BUT WHAT IS RELEVANT IS THAT A CERTAIN PERSON KNEW HE WAS SCUM

AND SAID PERSON DIED LAST NIGHT

AND I WILL AVENGE THAT PERSON

DIE.

[pieguyn]

NO

WRONG

THE PERSON WHO STARTED SAID DAN WAGON IS A FLIPPED MASON

AND THE PERSON WHO FOLLOWED SUIT IS ME

YOUR STATEMENT IS ENTIRELY AND UNEQUIVOCALLY FALSE

[pieguyn]

NO

BUBBA IS TOWN.

LOOK AT HIS CLAIM AND HOW FULL OF DERP IT WAS

DO YOU IMAGINE HE CAN FAKE THAT KIND OF DERP AS SCUM?

[pieguyn]

HOW ABOUT YOU BE QUIET AND LET THE CONFTOWN CRY IN SORROW AT THE DEATH OF HIS MASON PARTNER

[pieguyn]

<33333 bork

[pieguyn]

/me grabs remi and runs away with her

good thing you won't even notice me

[pieguyn]

mod meta says one of those kills is by a SK

\o\ /o/

let's go look for any singular reads either of them had

[pieguyn]

serene aired 2 scumreads: COK and Dan

Kaze had dram, Mac, COK, and Katarina

of all those the odd one out is Katarina

[pieguyn]

and before anyone yells at me in AA:MFA I got SK kille dN1 bc I was literally the only person who had the SK in my scumpile

Kaze was more universally townread, but at the same time it was a dead giveaway who my partner was when they voted Dan and I immediately followed suit

[pieguyn]

atm I wanna lynch either Dan, zmuffin, or Katarina

GCBC thoughts on Katarina?

[pieguyn]

GCBC is practically confirmed town

[pieguyn]

SXTLHGaiden, Reimu Hakurei (Bad 1-shot Strongarm Encrypting Girl), sent to gap Day 1.

Reimu Hakurei (Bad 1-shot Strongarm Encrypting Girl), sent to gap Day 1.

Reimu Hakurei (Bad 1-shot Strongarm Encrypting Girl)

(Bad 1-shot Strongarm Encrypting Girl)

(Bad Encrypting Girl)

Encrypting

[pieguyn]

ok let's do it <3

[pieguyn]

no thx, I'd rather have a romance with cabd via female alt

my life is complete ww

[pieguyn]

Alright that was most certainly a vig kill or like scum extra kill idk man.

holy fucking shit

wow I was right Katarina really is the SK

lynch or leash?

[pieguyn]

^ confirming what GCBC said

Kat you should probably claim now

[pieguyn]

Not sure if I buy this, but either way you need to clarify with the mod what he defines multiball as specifically.

fwiw I thought of oracle as soon as she said she knew it wasn't multiball. I srsly doubt she'd blatantly say smth like that as scum. and way she went about it seems legitimate town thought process so I'm inclined to say she's actually town oracle (scum oracle is a thing right)

so many derp claims this game

including me .-.

[pieguyn]

regardless of if there's an SK or not there's 5 group scum

bc GIF always pulled 9-3-1 and 5 is the standard number for a 21p setup, so either 16-5 or 15-5-1 is possible

also I'm inclined to agree with that \o/

[pieguyn]

if a vig killed Serene I am going to find whoever the vig was irl and bind them into submission

Serene was 2 shot rolecop but that's not really much of an investigative role. fwiw they used it on Lush Life but obv got no result cause they died

[pieguyn]

I asked the mod as well to make sure we had more than one response. I was told that he lieks turtlez. I think that for her to slip up like that as scum she would have to have an incredible ability to come up with that fake claim in that short amount of time. I just had to look oracle up myself because I've never played with one.

this with an s instead of a z

[pieguyn]

Caught up from phone. I'm pretty sure actiondan targeted serene, not CoK. Need pie to confirm tho.

I have no way of knowing this. did I miss smth

they did tell me that if they got NK'ed Dan was probably scum though

[pieguyn]

ALSO UPDATE: Mod told me that she counts Serial killers as Third Party so I'm somewhat lost again still.

confirming this

I wanna lynch either Dan or zmuffin

[pieguyn]

also if there's another kill N2 and there's no vig claim assume it's a SK

[pieguyn]

oh I forgot. here's some other reads Serene had:

dramonic is possibly too invested to be town
Varsoon is town
DGB is normally able to townread Mac, but not in this game
they like {Dan, Mac, COK, Lush} for scum on Varsoon wagon
Saki is conftown for the rest of the game
bubba is town
Lush Life could be scum and they would probably kill them if they were
DGB also wanted to wagon Kise late D1

[pieguyn]

^^^ this

[pieguyn]

there's a good chance the scumteam can't utilize daytalk well and sees the encryptor as not very useful. and Gaiden wasn't really doing anything at all. that lynch is too fking good to be true, and a lot of my unknowns are on said wagon (though this one is perspective based). so a bus there is very reasonable

and the strongman is just a 1-shot

this is exactly why GCBC is practically confirmed town btw

[pieguyn]

Furthermore, even if this was a faked quesiton, she's made a claim such that the flip of any non-mafia non-town player means she is immediately and instantly speedlynched.

or SK. I asked GIF and multiball = more than one groupscum faction which SK isn't

[pieguyn]

pie we are your new mason buddy!!!1!

<3

It's not. It's clearly a legal question, no less so than "Has bubbajack8 lied about substantive information this game?" which would also be legal.

the question "is bubbajack8 a bomb" has nothing to do with his alignment. it just confirms what hsi role is

however, in this case, it so happens that him being a bomb would make him town. however, this is independent of the question. so it's a valid question

2/3 scum candidates off both wagons are voting me. (kise/Amarath, but not tsukasa). The only people voting chamber right now (who btw didn't respond at all to the soft claim or wagons or anything really today in his post) are me + people on the scum wagon. hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

oh god this is bad. this feels like you're redirecting suspicion onto COK and you're not actually addressing any of the points on you. looks like serene was right \o/

[pieguyn]

I thought the guilty was on zmuffin

did I miss smth .-.

[pieguyn]

holy fk I just realized I have 141 posts in this thread

I do not remember posting that much

wtf @_@

[pieguyn]

I have no way of knowing that for sure

all I know is that Serene told me that Dan would be likely to kill them if he was scum

[pieguyn]

Well I'm remilia.

I'd wanna lynch you just for this ~

[pieguyn]

vote: COK

[pieguyn]

how many votes does zmuffin have

[pieguyn]

owait just saw the claim
not buying it

vote: zmuffin

[pieguyn]

L-2 btw

I want my spot on this wagon

consider my vote parked

[pieguyn]

zmuffin your argument is complete shit

they QUITE OBVIOUSLY got a guilty on you as indicated by them voting you in their first post

there was no need for them to lynch you right then because as soon as they flip cop anyone with half a brain would go back and look for results. and they obviously didn't wanna out the fact they're cop

so yeah not buying it

[pieguyn]

if there is a real tracker out there, DO NOT CC

zmuffin's reaction is exactly like caught scum. there is no need to CC if you're an actual tracker. this is a calculated attempt to out a PR

[pieguyn]

I woke up just in time for this

I am so glad I didn't sleep another hour

[pieguyn]

and to show you another reason your argument is shit

WHY THE FUCK WOULD THEY INSPECT BUBBA? your alternative makes no sense whatsofuckingever. the best play would be to inspect someone who's a good scum player (you) and would thus be least likely to be caught if scum

you are squirming

[pieguyn]

and I know you think you have a chance in hell at smooth talking people off your wagon, and it's cute, but you're wrong

see I can do that too

but just to be fair I'll go back and bring up their read on you late D1 compared to early D2

[pieguyn]

wait hold up

I just realized smth

checking something with GIF

[pieguyn]

also definitely do not CC until I clear this up

[pieguyn]

he told me it was a follow .-.

I used it on zmuffin N2 and GIF never sent me a result PM. I'm checking to see what the hell happened

[pieguyn]

he never gave me a description he just said it was 1-shot follow

GIF isn't online right now either so idk how long I'll have to wait to get it

[pieguyn]

I got no result

p-ed: KAGAMI T_T

[pieguyn]

it wasn't during the night

it was at N1 end/D2 start

[pieguyn]

btw even if I got the right result I still think it's more likely he's mafia tracker or other investigative than town tracker :p

[pieguyn]

nacho what happened to you being #YOLO like you were at the end of D2

instead you're hard defending him. this kind of posting does not come from someone with that mentality

plz don't tell me you and zmuffin both rolled scum AGAIN

[pieguyn]

A) Based on Gaiden's opening post, scum likely don't have fake-claims (or at least not fake flavor-claims)

I'm almost positive he was just joking

also keep in mind I've said not to CC. there are behavioral reasons zmuffin is scum here (and I'd go nacho scum too bc why the hell not). I'd be fine with a possible CC if it'd make everyone feel better, though obv it'd happen anyway if we massclaim

I'm Koishi btw

[pieguyn]

SAKURA <3

Gaiden flipped encryptor right? I need to read more into those 2 day 1 wagons and Cabd's interactions with them, because 1 thing i know is that Cabd considers day chat OP and he probably would have protected Gaiden if it came to it.

that was exactly my read
you stole that from me
you traitor ;w;

[pieguyn]

nacho, i'll play ball with you since i love you so much

i'm town

lush life did not investigate me and anyone with half a brain could figure that out.

do you really think they would have joined the action dan wagon if they had a guilty on me? mollie would have been screaming down the action dan wagon and telling people it can wait til tomorrow if they actually had a guilty on me.

i'm aya, 2-shot tracker. dram went nowhere N1, katarina went nowhere N2. i checked dram N1 because i didn't like his play D1 and he made sense as scum on the varsoon wagon, i checked katarina N2 because i didn't like the way she jumped onto the action dan wagon after previously saying she didn't like it and i figured if i caught her targeting anyone it'd be a scum claim and a negative track result would semi-confirm her as town.

^^^ this post isn't saying "i'm town, they didn't investigate me" it's asying "they didn't investigate me, therefore i'm town". he knows they can't prove lush didn't actually investigate him, and is somehow saying that since they can't prove it, this somehow confirms it as town. he's basically trying to run people in circles by forcing them to prove something he knows they can't actually prove. this is scum behavior

not to mention, if you have 2-shot tracker, why would you use both of them immediately? it's infinitely more useful to save at least one for the potential to confirm or deny claims down the road. the katarina track is also bullshit because she was town as fuck and after she fullclaimed oracle they would have no reasno to send her to perform the kill. I also get suspicious as fuck about claims AFTER implied guilties, especially in this case when there wasn't actually a confirmed guilty

also, gif loves false positive/misleading roles - the presence of a ninja means nothing. there was already a odd night cop, kill cop, and a 2-shot rolecop. this is too many investigative roles

WHY THE FUCK WOULD THEY INSPECT BUBBA?

... are you serious?

tbh, if i were a cop, bubba would have been a primary choice for investigation even IF i didn't think he's scum (and at least one of them did think this)

like i know you think i'm caught scum and all, and it's cute, but you're wrong.

the tone here is manipulative. it's weak, but it's there

also, pie, if you're asking why they might have investigated bubba last night

this is more of the first point. he's basically offering a bunch of alternatives and saying that he's town because no one can prove it's not any of them, as if this somehow confirms him as town

I used it on zmuffin N2 and GIF never sent me a result PM. I'm checking to see what the hell happened

i dunno if i'm allowed to talk about time stamps of PMs but i received my track result from last night a long time after this day phase actually started

so that could have something to do with it

this is BS. he literally just made this up. after i pm'ed GIF asking for my result he said there was no result. so logically, the reason i didn't get a pm at first is because he doesn't send a result PM to someone who gets roleblocked, and not due to some "delay". also, when i got my invention, he PM'ed me before he flipped serene and day actually started and i was able to make a post in the mason QT saying "ohi i got a gift" before realizing they died. so i would expect the same would hold for investigation results

so there's my case. come at me bro

[pieguyn]

I don't find Muffin's dismissive tone as anything particularly scummy. He pointed out that it's fairly obvious there was no guilty result (yes) and claimed.

i think you misinterpreted my point. the last sentence isn't what's really wrong there, although it is part of it

the second sentence is the problem. he's trying to subtly introduce the notion of investigating bubba being a viable move. by saying he'd investigate bubba like that, he's indirectly insinuating others would be likely to do the same thing. this is a manipulative tactic as opposde to just stating it directly

compare to this post in marketplace:

PV's issue with me came from something i said about seanald's advertising choice (austerity measures) and why it might have just been a move by dumb town rather than scum. he was cautious of this because a game we'd just finished, i was deliberately ignoring his points against my scum buddy and trying to make it seem like he didn't really have a case at all. he thought i was doing the same thing here for a scum buddy. that was... literally the entire reason PV was paranoid about me, and after a while he gave it up and simply declared a igmeou iirc. so the "similarity" he noticed isn't even really a similarity because seanald was town, lol.

here he says that PeregrineV's paranoia of him was unfounded, but instead of being direct about it, he slides it in at the end of the paragraph. he's indirectly addressing the point by retelling the story of PV's paranoia of him and insinuating it's not the same thing instead of just saying "it's wrong this is why". this is the same tactic

i'll never forget this post because it gave me really icky vibes and i didn't pursue it. that above post is doing the exact same thing =.=

I would also use both two shot trackers immediately. Why do you make the statement about GiF loving being misleading as a moderator? What games are you thinking of?

AA:MFA there was both a godfather and a ninja in the game (incidentally there was a tracker but it was mafia). the SK also had a 1-shot dayvig and could force a surprise LYLO although he said after the game this was unintentional
(offsite) Mistakes uPick there was a scum bus driver that was allowed to self target and it ended up fucking everybody over because he didn't tell the cop his target changed
this game bc there were 2 encryptors including one that was town (me)
so GIF is obviously the type of moderator who has no problem with putting misleading stuff like this in his games. I wouldn't put it past him to put a ninja without a tracker

I don't get your point re: 2975.

his statement about the pm being delayed is a lie and is intended to appeal to what he thought at the time was my situation (not receiving a PM yet)

nacho i'll be blunt. you know how good of a scum player zmuffin is. did it ever occur to you this is exactly why? he's dissipating the wagon on him by making everyone run around in circles. this is scum tactic 101 and it's what he's doing here. why the fuck are people so adverse to lynching a PR that used all its shots already? for fuck sake. if he's town then we lynched someone who's essentially vanilla and could easily fuck us over if scum. add to that that he's made some really sketchy reactions already and i don't see why this lynch hasn't gone through yet. unless you're scum defending him because you know your team will get fucked if he gets lynched, that'd explain a lot

[pieguyn]

i just told you you stole my read T_T
town. the gaiden lynch was really easy and gaiden only had 1 more vote than varsoon at deadline iirc. if he was scum there's no way he'd let the encryptor get lynched that easily, and he would have no problem averting the lynch

[pieguyn]

wow really. my memory must be off

either way if there were like any scum at all on gaiden i'm p sure they would have been fine with switching over to varsoon. i still feel the gaiden lynch was too easy. it could be that special case where all the scum are on the counterwagon and the scum wagon is entirely town driven, but i'm not sure atm

[pieguyn]

aa:mfa had a mafia godfather jailkeeper

essentially supposed to be an otherwise town role that's mafia just to fuck with people

i could see a mafia motivator here for that same reason

[pieguyn]

tell me why you would ever think someone who claimed JK and GOT INVESTIGATED AS TOWN would be scum

that role was there entirely to fuck up any way of clearing people via roles. mafia motivator would accomplish the same thing here

[pieguyn]

I actually don't know 0.0

however it said I had to use it N2 or I lose it so I assume I've lost it

[pieguyn]

wtf is going on

[pieguyn]

inb4 zmuffin and GCBC are both scum and they're pulling the bus of the century

[pieguyn]

follow tells you what type of action someone performed, track tells you who they targeted

so it's kind of the same but kind of not

it told me it was a 1-shot follow. it didn't actually describe the ability beyond that @_@

[pieguyn]

more like technically IC and loving every second of it \o/

that and I have a lonely mason QT that I can go cry in and mourn the loss of my partner

[pieguyn]

I'd be fine with dramonic

I haven't looked into it much but it looked like on D1 he was just sitting there and trying to get Kaze and Varsoon lynched

[pieguyn]

there's still an SK and I probably was the 2nd NK last night (and then it failed cause kagami). GIF likes SKs and we're probably dealing with a 15-5-1 setup given GIF likes high scum ratios (he did 2 games that were 9-3-1)

here's my reads bc I'm starting to forget some of them o.o

town
1. Kagami
2. pieguyn
3. bubbajack8
4. Jaqen Hghar
5. Katarina LeBlanc
6. ActionDan
7. Kise

null-town
8. Mac
9. Varsoon
10. Messiah Complex

11. Nachomamma8
12. GoodCop_BadCop
13. Saki
14. Sakura
15. dramonic
16. zMuffinMan

[pieguyn]

^ not in order btw

[pieguyn]

i always thought 15-5-1 was more acceptable than 9-3-1

[pieguyn]

especially given this is almost role madness

[pieguyn]

i'm really worn out

i'd still say it's zmuffin but GCBC avoiding the thread is p telling so i'd be fine with either one

i get the feeling one of my townreads is wrong. who do you think it is?

[pieguyn]

if it's a 4 man scumteam probably not. if it's a 5 man scumteam i have no idea

pieguyn

tht was directed towards sakura but it looks like she ditchedm e

[pieguyn]

what do you make of nacho's defense of zmuffin?

[pieguyn]

also I wanna know this bc generally when I start to feel my reads aren't adding up, or if i keep getting town vibes from my scumreads, it's bc one of my townreads is dead wrong. and i don't want that to happen here. it's happened in just about every game i've played (zmuffin and my entire null-town pile in imperishable night, kalimar in AA:MFA). so i don't wanna get blindsided

[pieguyn]

you're good at reading nacho right

[pieguyn]

I get the feeling we should lynch zmuffin now while GCBC is still around to lead it. barring smth like a cop inno we're prob going to end up lynching him down the road anyway

[pieguyn]

there's also the idea that we could confirm his track results

like i don't wanna let go of this

[pieguyn]

i could have sworn i posted 0.0

[pieguyn]

Your play has been pretty good, Pie. As confirmed town, it's gonna be your job to step up and take the helm of town leadership. When I flip town, don't let the others forget my reads and my walls.

my play has been pretty good? news to me @_@

if you're town i think you're leaving the game in the wrong person's hands. i don't think i'm capable of leading right now

agree on Saki. Saki/dram/{GCBC, zmuffin}

I still wanna go for zmuffin. but that's only bc i don't feel confident i'd be able to get him lynched down the road =.=

[pieguyn]

you seem to be familiar with my playstyle :>

that's probably a good idea but idk how much i'll get given it's plurality lynches

[pieguyn]

pdodge

[pieguyn]

pdodge

[pieguyn]

That is your third in the last 6ish days. Could you play the game, or at least go v/la?

I'm a mason I'll do whatever the hell I want

regardless I'm really tired

I would rather work the zmuffin/GCBC out now than later, but atm i don't have the energy to do it

[pieguyn]

vote: dram

L-1

[pieguyn]

I am tired as shit

you all gets a readslist instead even though there is literally nothing special about these reads

town
pieguyn
Mac
Varsoon
bubbajack8
Jaqen Hghar
ActionDan

null-town
Katarina LeBlanc
DisCode <- not under town mostly bc I can totally see GIF putting a mafia inventor just to fuck with people

Nachomamma8
GoodCop_BadCop
Saki
Sakura Hana
zMuffinMan

more tomorrow

[pieguyn]

ok i should note first that {MC, Lush, ...Serene?} were probably the SK kills

i'll be looking for the SK in their shared scumreads later on

yeah NKA come at me bro

[pieguyn]

MC was pushing GCBC really hard yesterday. something like a BP SK seems really plausible and fits with him not claiming smth to draw the NK. he also had a scumread on Katarina and bubba

I really want Bubba dead. Can we do that?

- Des

Fish thinks I'm town, desperado did a huge wallpost about why I'm scum. Can you two make up your goddamn mind and give me a summary? (Also your claim does not make much sense and after tons of questions to giffy

I confirmed I have no item that is stealable so the mechanics of your role makes even less fucking sense.

)

This is a lie.

GIF PMed us unprompted to tell us that other players will not know if they have an item to be stolen.

The rest of those reads are all hot garbage anyway. How many fucking times did he say "if by some miracle you are town?" It's all bullshit.

- Des

Saki (L-4): GoodCop_BadCop | Varsoon | Katarnia LeBlanc | Sakura Hana | dramonic

Holy shit this wagon is fucking TERRIBLE

TERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRIBLE

-Des

Only objectionable person there is sakura, the remaining people on the saki wagon are the ones I liked the least.

I really agree with that. Varsoon/Kat is probably town/scum in either configuration.

- Des

Lush life was pushing zmuffin and Dan. Serene was p much keeping all their reads close but they were also pushing Dan I think

not only that but MC had an argument with Dan near the start of yesterday

##vote Messiah Complex

K. Time to lynch actual scum.

Go on...

- Des

##vote Messiah Complex

K. Time to lynch actual scum.

Go on...

- Des

Your role doesn't actually do anything useful. at all. Everyone else has decent utility (or else claimed VT). I can see your role being a scum one that steals shit and acts like a weak rolecop + lets you do something with what you steal.

2ndly I never got any town vibes from you D1 or D2.

Yeah, that one-shot oracle is way more useful than a vanilla cop/self confirming fruit vendor.

Fucking seriously?

- Des

Nice try what? We stole from the cop and we got an item; we stole from a claimed VT and he "didn't have anything worth stealing."

What do you suppose that means?

- Des

the fact you are assuming you're a vanilla cop when there is insufficient evidence to make that conclusion. you are a role that may or may not steal shit from certain players.

No, we're a role that steals shit and certain players might not have anything worth stealing.

There's no other interpretation.

- Des

I'll bet Dan is the SK we're looking for. given these NKs mafia is probably shooting confirmed or obvtowns. shooting from the hip, Serene, Lush, and MC are probably the SK kills and they all wanted to kill Dan

as for mafia, I still haven't figured out if it's GCBC or zmuffin and I need to do that soon

[pieguyn]

Anyway, the better argument is that it no vig would kill either serene or kaze over players like dramonic, cok, etc given the reimu flip, unless said vig were also huffing paint while submitting her night kill action.

For certain values of vig, you're absolutely correct.

But others don't have the same perception of the gamestate that you do.

Anyway I think we can probably let this speculation lie and figure more out about it later from flips.

-bork

p-edit: let's lynch muffin

If there is scum on the gaiden wagon, I'm not seeing muffin as radically more scummy than bubba or messiah

You will.

Anyway you can keep that town card with my blessing.

moar votes on obvscum danny boy plz

also every1 has to promise me that we will lynch muffina tomorrow

for a grand total of 3 scum down!!1! \o/

hey guyz!

lets lynch scum!

vote dan and then

tomorrow vote muffina

I swear to god there are only like 2 players with a brain in this game pie and kise the rest of you just don't get it and I might be slightly paranoid about kise.

I AM SO FUCKING PISSED

someone tell me how the hell the bolded doesn't indicate they have a cop guilty

while doing this I realized zmuffin's entire argument is basically "they'd act like this" and it is outright hazardous to predict how people will act after they've died. and not to mention. the whole argument was that they would absolutely get zmuffin lynched on D2 if the had a guilty. but they were making people promise they'd lynch him on D3 instead. how is that not the same thign? either way they're trying to ensure he getst lynched no matter what

I can't believe I didn't see this earlier

not to mention there are too many investigative roles. he's probably a mafia tracker and received a 2-shot town tracker fakeclaim that fit with all the other 2 shot roles.

vote: zmuffin

we need to lynch this today

[pieguyn]

like someone tell me how

odd night cop
2-shot rolecop
2-shot kill cop
inventor that gives out investigatives
2-shot tracker
oracle

is in any way shape or form balanced

on the other hand mafia still hasn't had any investigative roles flipped

[pieguyn]

especially with
doctor
and
gatekeeper

[pieguyn]

zmuffin is scum and Dan is the SK. I'm interested in what Jaqen has to say about bubba bc if he has something he might end up being the last scum (although I'm still sticking with 15-5-1)