Mini 1649: Jabberwocky Mafia (Game Over)

[Valkyrie Mollie]

VOTE: TierShift
hai

[Valkyrie Mollie]

hi guyz

wats going on

[Valkyrie Mollie]

how long am I expected to look at this shit guy

it hurts my eyes

[Valkyrie Mollie]

VOTE: guyinfreezer

for coming up with the black background

[Valkyrie Mollie]

even tho I freaking love our avvie

[Valkyrie Mollie]

Farside, you literally have described the opposite of my playstyle regardless of alignment. That puzzles e. Town lean for now with a dose ofwtf

The 2 games I'm referring to was the open game I was scum and the 2 mini theme games we both were town in.

None of the games you were vocal.

far

I spend the majority of my time politely asking titus to stfu

VOTE: farside

jon, if you spam this thread as miserably as you did in varsoon there will be no end to my wrath

[Valkyrie Mollie]

hi guyz

wats going on

I consider using this in RVS cheating - we're all risking stuff to make the game and you're sitting there playing it safe. I am disappoint.

And yet you didn't put your vote into play, and your opening post was a buncha fluff. You've done exactly what you accuse VM of doing. FoS here.

I want to marry elbirn for this post.

discuss.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

^ that was also the mollie head.

I want to clarify so no1 gets weird ideas about guy.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

Oh by the way, what IS Jabberwocky?

[Valkyrie Mollie]

So far I haz townread on these people.
- WP
- Titus
- Elbirn
- Axle

Probably obvious townreads but I won't lynch any of these folks today.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

okay so tso is town!

sorry

[Valkyrie Mollie]

I'm not digging the Tier wagon. It feels too easy.

So far I haz townread on these people.
- WP
- Titus
- Elbirn
- Axle

Probably obvious townreads but I won't lynch any of these folks today.

Now why would you feel the need to explicitly announce that you won't lynch your townreads?

Because it shows how strong those townreads are.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

For the record, I like VM's read list. It was the same as mine. There are a lot of unfinished conversations going on right now. I don't want to step on them.

@ Yakko You've done the reread, right? Thoughts?

@ Farside What's up? Who do you think is being dishonest?

I think far is scum.

VOTE: farside a trillion times over

reason being I think her read on titus is bs.

and I support guy's townreads.

eta: lynch far

[Valkyrie Mollie]

I swear every time I log into this account the skin changes.

@far: It isn't vm town reading people that's the problem. It's vm calling them unlynchable on page 5 that bugs me. Also, it's unnecessary for me to talk about town reads? Right... got it.

VOTE: farside

VOTE: BRantz

[Valkyrie Mollie]

Sorry mollie but there's no way I can pass that post without voting the hell out of it <3

[Valkyrie Mollie]

But if you connect that post with 171 you just might have enough to vote him!

[Valkyrie Mollie]

Sorry mollie but there's no way I can pass that post without voting the hell out of it <3

my dearest I am with your cause! <3

I think.

can you open a pt where we can discuss this? cos you aren't around on gchat and I am logging off soon.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

if any1 wants help me convince guy that far is scum plz feel free to!!!

[Valkyrie Mollie]

@ Yakko, 175: I mean I guess I can see where you're coming from, but no, I in no way implied that those two were scumreading WP. I made a comment on their dismissal of WP, and established that yes, I have a tentative townread on him myself.

@ VM, you guys vote for Far in 168, but then for Brantz in 173. I had to remind myself that you're a hydra, and I'm still trying to figure out how to sort hydras...So I can see that you two aren't 100% in sync with your reads then, but I'm curious, how does the head that voted Farside (Mollie?) feel about having their vote moved to Brantz (By GuyinFreezer?), when the case against him is being pushed by Farside? The transition from "Farside is 1000% scum" to "Nah let's lynch BRantz, you're right", with zero complaints, feels a bit unnatural.

Also: TSO, Yakko, and yours truly have asked why you think TSO is town, a few times now, and you've both made plenty of posts since then and still haven't even acknowledged it?

we hadn't discussed it yet. I jumped on far cos i think her read on titus is incredibly scummy but guy stepped in and thought brantz's immediate vote on far looked scummy.

there was no discussion in between.

I support guy until I heavily disagree with him then you can expect a vote war like some of my hydras altho I don't think guy will be as stubborn as them but who knows this is our first game as a hydra.

soyeah you are seeing some dissonance here but you will have to figure out for yourself what means. I mean I can tell you all day that we disagree and have different approaches but you will have to just figure it out on your own.

in other newz far is still scum cos why the fuck shld I be emotional at this point in the game that combined with her read on titus for the reasons she gave sounds completely fabricated I just need help convincing guy.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

also I keep forgetting to change our skin back to black but it is pretty funny to have found an opportunity to troll guy that is not in the game

[Valkyrie Mollie]

Who is this part of the hydra?

Me!

As for Mollie, well I've seen players have town reads early, I found her wording on never willing to lynch pretty useless too. Again reads a bit buddyish/over the top unnecessary.

That wasn't mollie.

It's p easy to figure out between me and mollie if you know exactly what to look for.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

Why is it bs Mollie?
Did you look into the games I referenced?

@mollue head:

I mean we were in this game with titus here
Can you explain looking there why it's bs?

cld you point to the games you referenced before 70?

[Valkyrie Mollie]

What a shame I dont.

Spoiler: Here's a hint

Capitalization

Spoiler: Hint 2

Look for alt slip too.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

Yeah, still not feeling the love for Tier or Brantz wagons, and I'm deffo not getting Titus.

I could see hating Tier wagon but explain BRantz one.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

Actually yeah, GiF: let's hear why I should vote Brantz in your words. No consulting mollie. I have a hell of a time reading her, but I'd love to have a shot at reading

you

correctly for a change.

Easy since I voted him entirely on my own accord!

- Timing of the vote. (No mention of farside reads-wise and suddenly bam a vote on farside the moment mollie votes her with showing suspicion.)
- Justification of the vote. (There is none. His posts before the votes has build-up to scumreading farside and I see nothing in his 171 that warrants a vote on farside.)
- As farside said, while criticizing my very strong townreads, he does nothing to explain why nor explain which one he agrees/disagrees. Just an empty criticism.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

Oh so why should Beli vote BRantz with me?

- His vote on farside reeks of opportunism. Following his posts, it would be natural for him to approach our slot for more questioning but instead he votes far out of nowhere for something that looks like kneejerk reaction from farside poking him right after mollie votes farside.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

Oh so why should Beli vote BRantz with me?

- His vote on farside reeks of opportunism. Following his posts, it would be natural for him to approach our slot for more questioning but instead he votes far out of nowhere for something that looks like kneejerk reaction from farside poking him right after mollie votes farside.

How does that differ from my vote on Titus?

In your titus vote I can clearly see that her posts rubbed you the wrong way

[Valkyrie Mollie]

Posts, plural? You misread me.

I have a habit of putting "s" on stuffs that I shouldn't put them.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

I think guy and i are gonna fight.

@ far

you have a really weird meta read on titus that is why I am sooper dooper sus of you.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

because your read on titus IS bs and you know it and yes I answered your question if you cld mebbe I dunno learn to read you cld mebbe see where I did!

here is a game where titus wldn't stfu despite me telling her to do so.

[urlhttp://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=58466[/url]

so we lynched her d1. she had over 500 posts. I am pretty sure that I was the only 1 who thought she was actually scum tho.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=58466

[Valkyrie Mollie]

VOTE: Valkyrie Mollie

answer yo fucking questions shitlord

this vote is shit and you know it is shit and you shld feel like absolute shit for placing it.

the question has been answered jesus fucking christ axle pointed it out that it was answered and if you are going to be this fucking dumb then I don't give a shit lynch me

just don't take it out on guy who is probs not used to the kind of aggro I draw. give him room, give him time to get adjusted he doesn't deserve to be treated like this.

ftr, I thought tso was town cos I thought he had a pr and gm responded to it.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

But I think beli is town.

Mollie quote for me please.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

axle I have no idea what you are tying to say in your big long post cos it doesn't make sense to me cos I am not sure how I can be any more transparent then stating that I think far is scum and I thought guy and I were going to fight cos when we talked prior he wasn't seeing it.

also tso read just took a dive i thought that he was town cos of the pr and i thought that it was obs and now he is saying he was faking it. last time I saw some1 faking 1 they were scum.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

I am going to reveal a giant secret - I have not been reading the game and have no idea whatsoever is going on.

But I am going to rectify it!

good cos you are freaking me out!

to answer your question about wld scum be likely to stop trying to keep up with their posting restriction I say sure why not. mastermind of sin did it in upick music large and I was the only 1 who caught it and called him out for it and he blew me off with the exact same reasoning that you did! spyrella did it to in another game a while ago soyeah, scum can drop fake prs too in fact I find it more likely cos they are a likely vig candidate just to eliminate noise and clutter. plus it is hard to maintain a pr and try to do fake scumhunting at the same time.

@ axle

I will tell you what I told guy. far threw suspicion at titus for being more vocal than usual which was kind of funny cos I don't think titus is being very vocal at all. to me it reads as a bullshit meta read that 1 is likely to give on a scummate to create some distance but then she leaped all over me when I disagreed with her despite me being the 1 to provide evidence in a game where titus was pretty much pl-ed cos of excessive and noise generating. she then shifts the goalposts to change her narrative that we must be scum cos I am supposedly accusing her of lying. her logic makes no sense.

if you look at how titus reacted to far first to try to tell far that what people are saying is correct but she puts it in a way that doesn't make waves and then later townreads far for bullshit meta reasons of her own. this is pretty classic scum!titus talking about a teammate.

I can dig these up for you but you are going to have to wait cos i am very overgamed right now and I have a some1 special coming to visit me next week so i am trying to balance mafia with IRL trying to deep clean my apt. in which i wld rather play mafia than do that cos I hate deep cleaning.

@ jon

you owe me for that terrible shot on cooldog when you and I both felt like skull was the better choice. wguerts was derpnewb i am not sure why you were listening to him in the first place. guy and i both feel quite strongly that you are town here and we both like beli.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

Who is jon?

#97 might lead you to think jon was farside, the previously referenced player... in that post
but 100 replies to that point and it was WP that spammed the thread in Varsoon(a bastard game) due to a post restriction.

wp is jon's alt whom i have played with prior that he outed in varsoon. I thought it was self-evident who i was talking about since he responded!

sorry

[Valkyrie Mollie]

You may have some reference to the bold, don't know titus as scum, but considering you haven't even attacked titus or asked titus shit all deems me calling your comments full of shit.

maybe
just maybe
I had titus as town until what I posted above happened!

...is probably what mollie would've said to you and what I would be telling you too.

Now that discredit has been cleared up, what say you now?

[Valkyrie Mollie]

^
Why is this not dead yet seriously

1 thing I absolutely loathe

is not playing in your hydra

[Valkyrie Mollie]

catching up, ask me things. got some time.

I dont.

You are voting Brantz and were even before Tiers catchup.
Whats is your view of Tiers catchup posts?

we think tier is town. not that you were asking us or anything.

seraph if you do not do something amazing soon we are lynching you. unless I get pple to see the light wrt to far. like I just kinda wanna scream "go to the light my children! just go!" at this point.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

This makes me feel mildly uneasy, but I'm not really sure why.

I don't know why either since that's me trying to get the BRantz wagon grow bigger.

This does not - I'd like this explained further, thanks.

We thought you had a pr thus town <- you understood this part.
Because gm confirmed it <- This was us explaining that we believed you genuinely had a pr since mod responded to it.

This makes sense from a surface pov where I haven't looked at the interactions in-depth.

How sure are you on this?

She's very sure on that believe me considering half of time what she says to me is "my god she(far)'s such scum!"

I'd like a Seraphim lynch Today, but it may be too late to start a wagon from scratch. Scratch that.

VOTE: Seraphim

If anyone's Town reading this slot, please, explain why.

That vote is justice and all that but why vote seraphim if you think it's too late to start a wagon on him?

Pretty sure Tier's scum now and he's doing the wagonlurk.

@TSO, I see what Brantz is posting as pretty town. There's a chance I townread his personality but I can understand alarm at immutable townreads 5 pages in. Even then, VM isn't 100% immutable in practice as either alignment so I shrug it off.

I know it was directed to TSO but I have a very hard time understanding what you're trying to say there. Must be my english eh?

I want more from GiF though.

Hai

I agree that sera's lack of comments is troubling.

This is what I told mollie in hydra chat before she made the "kill sera with fire" post.
I think his lurking is very similar to what he did in FG's forest fire game. Granted, I haven't seen him as town. But similarity is enough for me.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

Can you or mollie show me instances where it's happened before?

We (at least I) never have. That's why we (at least I) believed it's legit.

Ok. I will rephrase.

TSO, scumreading Brantz for being concerned about fixed townreads so early isn't bad. I just think it's wrong. Superfixed townreads can be very confident town or scum. Mollie falls into the latter and even she moves from them.

TLDR Brantz posting is fine but I see why people think otherwise.

Just to let you know, those superfixed townreads were posted by me, not mollie.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

VOTE: Sera

#Justice

[Valkyrie Mollie]

VOTE: Sera

#Justice

@VM

you missed a question at you here 419

Because Tier-scum kicks ass and he's being lame as hell rite now thus town.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

VOTE: Sera

#Justice

@VM

you missed a question at you here 419

Because Tier-scum kicks ass and he's being lame as hell rite now thus town.

Tier knows Tier can kick ass as scum 415, if he doesn't need to this game, or its good idea not to...
you think he cant not "kick ass" for part of d1.

and if he starts playing you might then scum read him?

We are Through the Looking Glass indeed.

Nope. My read on him is set unless something happens.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

only to 13 but my wagon is asinine.

There are literally 7 posts from my slot in the entire thread - nothing there at all to justify a case. The lynch is essentially a PL because of lurking. Lurking that has been identified as a player did not have time for the game (hence the replace). Are you really telling me that town is going to ignore any scum hunting for a PL?

This makes no sense.

Will give some scum reads when I finish off the thread. (should be up shortly)

your predecessor has a history of lurking as scum. no way am I going to let active lurking go. he neither scumhunted or did anything of note. and when do you think lurking shld be addressed? in lylo? lol

I can't wait for you to catch up!

[Valkyrie Mollie]

only to 13 but my wagon is asinine.

There are literally 7 posts from my slot in the entire thread - nothing there at all to justify a case. The lynch is essentially a PL because of lurking. Lurking that has been identified as a player did not have time for the game (hence the replace). Are you really telling me that town is going to ignore any scum hunting for a PL?

This makes no sense.

Will give some scum reads when I finish off the thread. (should be up shortly)

your predecessor has a history of lurking as scum. no way am I going to let active lurking go. he neither scumhunted or did anything of note. and when do you think lurking shld be addressed? in lylo? lol

I can't wait for you to catch up!

The lurking has been addressed - I have replaced him.

that doesn't change my read on the original slot tho and tbf you haven't anything fantastic yet except to whine how your slot is being voted for inactivity!

[Valkyrie Mollie]

faq2 I might like you.

cos tier is pretty obvsly town here.

still stand behind my town!jon read who is witness protection if he flakes i am going to dropkick him in his kneecap.

in other newz titus, far and tso are not in my liking pool titus last tso in the forefront and far in the middle but not losing site of those who are curling around the edges. I don't even know who they are but they are there and it will become more apparent as time goes by.

I am contemplating by the tumtum tree.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

First of all if Axxle knew of his suicidal status, then I wouldn't try getting an association out of that slot. He would've had an upper hand on info and could easily manipulate the association, especially with those type of post that makes anyone not want to read that.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

Oh actually, I don't think Axxle killed himself.
I think I know exactly what happened but I won't be discussing that for now.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

I couldn't care less about his suicide condition.
All I care is that he most likely didn't kill himself and was killed by different factor.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

@Mod: In a hypothetical situation of mafia kill, vig kill, and suicidal death all happening to one poor sap at night, which kill flavor precedes which?

[Valkyrie Mollie]

No silly I just want to know which kill flavor precedes which.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

I am solving the game. I think you and/or Beli are scum. Beli wagon took off so I voted you.

Mollie is not defending me.

Mollie's mindfucked due to Hilariously unbalanced.

I do not even get the last question.

How do your actions solve Beli? They just seem focused on creating a cw.

I am not mindfucked i correctly pegged you as scum and got you lynched which won the game for town.

I am catching up

can some1 plz unvote beli I have a very good protown reason for asking this the next vote on beli is a scumclaim. I need a helluva lot more discussion right now.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

Why was axle's posting style 'extremely' disgusting? I don't remember any disgust over it - just the sentiment that he was hard to read.

Have you actually tried reading his posts?
Right, it's fucking impossible.

UNVOTE:
I want to chat with beli first

I fucking love you.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

You can help by voting.

^ this is scum btw

wanting to lynch beli

before he has a chance to fucking claim is 100% scumclaiming.

far welcome to my town pile.

still townreading tier. like our strongest townread ever.

I am going to need something more from tso than a soft cop guilty cos beli was a strong townread for us and I don't trust tso.

I still like elby for town and I am thinking about faq2, waiting to sync up with guy.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

Requesting Axle gets Copped or something.

yeah. you are not the cop.

Vote Belisarius, or explain why you're not doing so.

you better explain why you think beli is scum then cos "oh I thought he looked scummy on d1" isn't gonna cut it.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

Beli claim.

I don't claim at L-2.

beli you are the lynch lead and you were put @ L1 with a stated intent to hammer. claiming might not be such a bad idea here.

guy and I are exchanging texts

[Valkyrie Mollie]

@ mod - is jon within prod range? and by jon I mean wp.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

yaye guy is letting me have my way!

[Valkyrie Mollie]

tier come talk to me

who are your townreads

[Valkyrie Mollie]

So guy is letting you make a fool of yourself.

how is asking for more time and a claim making a fool of ourselves?

cos guy had asked me to ask for more time and I told him I already addressed that.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

"He took his vorpal sword in hand:
Long time the manxome foe he sought --
So rested he by the Tumtum tree,
And stood awhile in thought."

my favourite stanza

eta: titus is a townread are you kidding me

[Valkyrie Mollie]

mollie /<3 tier

why do you have her as town

[Valkyrie Mollie]

She feels genuine and non-manipulative. I understand lots of her thought processes and she makes a few dumb pushes that make no sense from scum
plus the axl interactions I talked about.

she does this as scum too.

axle pretty much tried to interact with every1.

he DID stay away from faq2 tho

[Valkyrie Mollie]

And that's why you're brainfucked or scum.

I was manipulating everyone in unbalanced but failing miserably at the end.

your towngame is so awful that every1 gives you a pass when you are scum.

I mean, you really believed there were commies in that game or so you say

I am not brainfucked I honestly cannot see a protown thing you have done all game. I think tier is falling for the same thing that pple did in hilarious where you are given a free pass cos he thinks you are making dumb pushes. which you do as scum.

guy is good for your lynch just based on policy. and tbh mine is in part for the same reason plus you are not doing anything town motivated.

scum had a blocked nk but you wanna speed lynch beli w/o a claim.

like srsly, no.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

I think axle's casual buddy of titus is indicative of her being town. If axle would be buddying a buddy it would probably look a lot more forced.

I don't see much in axle's talk to VM. Calling those interactions null for VM.

this is the only thing that I found.

*shrug*

I disagree

[Valkyrie Mollie]

Mollie can you expand on the beli town read a bit more to me.

Tier: if this is titus as town I'm putting her on my blacklist after the game ends.

it is a weak meta read that guy and i both have for different reasons. guy was in a recent game with town!beli in which he has been acting the same way and I was scum w/beli oh so long ago. he was a lot more careful than this. guy can expand for his own townread.

the thing that is baking my noodle is the speed at which the wagon grew (which can or cannot mean much) and titus wanting to hammer w/o a claim when there is a protective role floating around.

that is why we are not in a hurry to lynch beli. and I am probably not going to want to just based on gut. and beli's unwillingness to not claim seems to come more from stubborn town than skeered scum.

I think titus is scum. wanna lynch titus? cos I do but I wanna hear from jon and more from beli first. I am hitting a brick wall with tier.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

There is no claim safe for Beli. That is why he will not claim.

@Far, I have answered you just not directly. It's best I do not.

you didn't care about a claim when you stated intent to hammer. so the "there is no safe claim for beli" is pretty specious and seems to be spun from filthy cobwebs.

over my dead body are we lynching beli at this point and time w/o more discussion particularly from jon and beli

why the hurry?

it is scum motivated to shut down the convo at this time which is exactly what you are trying to do.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

Mollie can you expand on the beli town read a bit more to me.

Tier: if this is titus as town I'm putting her on my blacklist after the game ends.

?

Why would you do that. Nothing that I have seen this game so far extends to that extreme, not even in the ballpark. This is a lot of hostility for no reason that I can discern.

So her being shitty towards me and not answering my questions if good behavior. I just get non response and attitude when I question her about her push that comes from no where.
Not one single answer back that makes me like her or the game.

Let me know so I can do the same and be shitty towards others and be non responsive as well. Let me know how fun you have feeling that way.

Don't let it get to you like that.

The answer to shitty behavior is a rope. Eventually the behavior changes unless they are sadistic and like the rope - then I understand a blacklist. I have only one person that I am contemplating blacklisting and the interactions this game are not even in the same universe as that event.

Hope you come back cooled off and ready to enjoy the game. I understand the frustration that can build sometimes in a game like this that is based entirely on interpersonal communication and mistrust.

nobody likes it when pple throw their town games in order to support their scum 1s. I suspect that is why far is upset. cos if titus is town then jesus fucking christ.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

Nah I already know the PRs. All Beli claiming will do is cause more chaos.

Ok am I a PR or not?

[Valkyrie Mollie]

Ok then your stuff is wrong so you should try again.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

I've not seen any claims to CC. What makes you think GiFlie has?

What makes you think GiFlie has?

GiFlie has

GiFlie

Oh hell no

Call me anything but that.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

Oh it's "GIF" + "mollie".
I still don't like that.

Anyway I'm here so I can say some stuff myself.

I DO NOT want this day to end until

1. We get at least 3 SOLID (solid as in, there's no way in hell that read can be wrong) townreads excluding my obvtown self.
2. We get at least 2 solid scumreads
3. Secret secret secret yadda yadda yodelee

[Valkyrie Mollie]

It's that or molF. Parallelism with MILF intended.

You see one time I wanted to mod a large theme called "Mafia in Large Freezer"

I scraped that idea for same reason.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

Tough shit Mollie. Stop stalling.

Unless you CC TSO right now, the play is to vote Beli.

It's role related reason that I absolutely need to do this. Either I do this or tonight turns reeeeeally ugly.
And I'd rather not see tonight turn ugly.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

Tough shit Mollie. Stop stalling.

Unless you CC TSO right now, the play is to vote Beli.

It's role related reason that I absolutely need to do this. Either I do this or tonight turns reeeeeally ugly.
And I'd rather not see tonight turn ugly.

Bullshit.

Actually this post gives me relief.
So thank you for posting this.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

He's saying that TSO crumbed guilty on Beli.

That's what we were speculating as well and that's why we asked for specify because fuck last time someone tried to crumb a guilty things turned sour.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

Oh I see

Titus I'm not claiming cop.
I'm claiming a PR that's something else.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

Also if TSO has a guilty on Beli, he should out it.
If not, then simply just say "I don't have a guilty on Beli" so you hide your role while clarify some stuffs.

It would help us as well re: what to do.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

Mollie, if that post actually gives you relief, you should CC TSO or vote Beli. Stop stalling.

@FAQ2, not mine TSOs.

so whaaaaat do you think of tso denying that he has a guilty on beli?

we are not lynching beli

I wanna lynch you and tso

cos I think tso is full of shit

also you tried this same dumb trick by only addressing 1 hydra partner over another and you don't even get the luxury of saying that 1 name is easier to type out

you are scum.

VOTE: titus

[Valkyrie Mollie]

I honestly think that massclaim should happen. We're in good shape with scum dead, get a better of idea if this game has a non-normal nightkill method, get some conftowns to work reads of, etc.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

I am not rolefishing. You are backing out of a claim.

he didn't claim.

so he is scum who wasn't given a safeclaim or scum backing out of a claim?

which is it? cos they both can't be true

[Valkyrie Mollie]

No massclaim. We lynch Beli. Beli flips scum.

over my dead body

[Valkyrie Mollie]

Now where in the universe comes the logic of "resisting a guilty" -> "a CC"
I'm crazy myself and even I don't see where that comes from.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

I can vouch that guy might be slightly crazy

[Valkyrie Mollie]

TSO didn't claim, TSO tunnels, and the only way TSO could have a guilty on me is if my role PM is made of lies.

There's Beli's CC.

Now if you will excuse me, I have real life scum to fry.

That awfully sounds like "my role PM says town so that guilty is a BS" to me.

As I said - I am a pretty straight forward guy. I was not picking that up as a hard claim but now I see where you are coming from.

As it is pretty much in the open, would you mind confirming TSO for those of us in the slow class? You are positive that beli is scum?

Also, at this juncture I do not think that it is unreasonable to mention that I am also a PR (scum have so many targets already) so I am not so sure that mollie's claim is all that unreasonable. I would point out that this is an unreviewed setup with the use of suicide role modifiers and from the OP:
"This is an unreviewed setup so if it's shitty I can't blame it on anyone else"

It is quite possible that there are a ton of PR roles in this game. It makes me wonder what powers the scum have though and how many there are. There is going to have to be some power behind them in order to make up for all of the roles on the town side.

Agreed. Too many PR claims and hints already and scum is very nerfed.

And how do you know this?
For all we know we could have 4 scums.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

TSO didn't claim, TSO tunnels, and the only way TSO could have a guilty on me is if my role PM is made of lies.

There's Beli's CC.

Now if you will excuse me, I have real life scum to fry.

you said he cced before this post

who wants a titus is scum lets lynch her popsicle cos that is what I find the most tasty right now!

[Valkyrie Mollie]

titus is on my table and I have a meat cleaver

you can dance around and try to pick up where she stumbles I don't care it really is up to you it just makes you look bad if you are town!

[Valkyrie Mollie]

Actually there's a plenty of scum motivation for doing that.

Quick hammering beli will guarantee her death tomorrow because how much people likes to lynch her In general. Sticking with "TSO has a guilty" grants her (1) she doesn't need to do anything and just coast on that (2) can hide behind "I thought he was guilty" reasoning after beli flips town.
^
Faq2
I just got ninja'd by mollie

[Valkyrie Mollie]

ps - I didn't believe that shit tso tried to push which is why I called him out on it!

if you have a guilty you out it. period end of story and tso isn't stupid. he is anything but.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

ps - I didn't believe that shit tso tried to push which is why I called him out on it!

if you have a guilty you out it. period end of story and tso isn't stupid. he is anything but.

I'm not trying to speculate nor fish.
I flat out want a massclaim.

Also I explained why titus scum would do that with the advantages last page. I think she's doing it on purpose and I think she is scum for it.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

Oh before someone say "mollie stop tunneling"

I'm GIF. Mollie has been posting too, but as I said, it's easy to tell us apart just by looking at the capitalization.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

So if anyone wants to explain why titus doing that is town feel free to.
I won't take "because it's top cray as scum" because it's not crazy at all and is full of scum motivation while having no town motivation. Besides, she has proved that she can be crazy as either alignment.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

guy you are supposed to be playing the good cop did you forget your role????

plz don't make me play good cop. bad cop is so much fun!

~ RoleFishies 'R' Us

[Valkyrie Mollie]

@GIF, I don't care. I call your hydra Mollie because it's an easy name for my simpleton brain to remember. If you sign, I will start to care. I called Mollie's other hydra ika because it has ika in the name.

who said anything 'bout the name?
I'm addressing that both of us are scumreading you and simultaneously posting to call you scum.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

LOL. I'm not dying to town. You're going to have to do one hell of a job muddying me up. Considering you've softed a CC to ME, that's when you're going to lose.

You see, we can't hug it out.

Oh cool
cos I'm claiming vig.

Prepare to be snicker-snackered tonight.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

So if anyone wants to explain why titus doing that is town feel free to.
I won't take "because it's top cray as scum" because it's not crazy at all and is full of scum motivation while having no town motivation. Besides, she has proved that she can be crazy as either alignment.

I'm forcing scum Beli to claim after a cop guilty.

Period.

No massclaim. No nothing. You don't get rewards for defending caught scum. Sorry.

funny how you failed to do this when you stated an intent to hammer!

what you are asking is that pple believe you are derp town. and I am saying no

[Valkyrie Mollie]

So let's say TSO *is* Cop, and he does have a guilty on Beli. Do we really have to make him out himself? Cuz I'm willing to lynch Beli without a cop guilty regardless.

tso isn't teh cop hth

[Valkyrie Mollie]

@GIF, I don't care. I call your hydra Mollie because it's an easy name for my simpleton brain to remember. If you sign, I will start to care. I called Mollie's other hydra ika because it has ika in the name.

who said anything 'bout the name?
I'm addressing that both of us are scumreading you and simultaneously posting to call you scum.

Who cares?

Mollie is in your hydra name, I am calling you Mollie unless you sign. Deal with it Mollie. I am not dealing with figuring out which head is talking since your both ignoring the cop claim.

Regardless of how many points you miss, I can be patient.

I don't know why you think that post was directed at you.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

You see, they already softed Vig. Both of them. Unless you're claiming Elbrin/Fluff are leet scum, you're just wrong.

Who did you shoot last night FTR Mollie?

Axle wad snicker snackered last night.
sninker snacker is a vig kill flavor.

Also whether they softing vig or not is irrelevant, at least in this game.
The relevants will know anyway.
You will get to learn why after you die. I just don't want you to learn the secret and babble in the scum pt.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

I mean discussing whether I'm a vig or not is irrelevant.
it's easy to prove anyway.

Also your mind will be blown post game.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

Also counterclaimimg vig is like the dumbest fucking thing you can ever do so if you think I'm lying about my claim then welp

[Valkyrie Mollie]

I'm still waiting for you to be mind blown to pieces

[Valkyrie Mollie]

*snore*

titus is still scum guys

lets lynch her so then we can get on with vigging tso for that awful fake cop claim on beli.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

oh yes, other vig, don't mind hiding. You can claim.
then we will blow titus's mind together.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

Why don't you realize that everything you have said has also been said by Elbrin/Fluff/the mod first? If so, why didn't you attack said posts...

As I said, your mind will be blown.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

I thought it was obv that we don't believe that TSO claimed cop.

Also conftown is what I would like the most lol

At least 3

[Valkyrie Mollie]

oh yes, other vig, don't mind hiding. You can claim.
then we will blow titus's mind together.

When he claims, your mind will be blown at your bad gambit. You see, I have already crumbed that the "other vig" ain't scum.

are you softclaiming the "other vig"????

[Valkyrie Mollie]

Oh I'm not saying that elbirn is not a vig at all.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

oh yes, other vig, don't mind hiding. You can claim.
then we will blow titus's mind together.

When he claims, your mind will be blown at your bad gambit. You see, I have already crumbed that the "other vig" ain't scum.

are you softclaiming the "other vig"????

Lord no otherwise she'll know exactly what's happening right now.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

Oh I'm not saying that elbirn is not a vig at all.

I am.

Then you lost me.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

You're saying that elbirn is not a vig.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

As I said axle was killed by vig.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

And through my post you can see I'm expecting an other vig too.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

So I'm gonna continue to blow titus's mind.

I may not be a conftown but the other vig will be.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

Oh yes there is.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

Wait for other vig to claim.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

On axle.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

Now your mind is even more blown.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

Where's your evidence two players shot Axxle?

Only one person did.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

If you give me a list of bankable townreads I will solve all this for you

[Valkyrie Mollie]

I'll give you a hint.

Vorpal sword is an item.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

I doubt it's gonna break game but I can make one conftown.

I didn't vig axle. The other vig did. And then he gave me a vig so I'm a vig now.
thus there are two vigs.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

Well I guess this game can be broken in some sort as long as town have the sword.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

Yas.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

If you consider me as a conftown (I'm not btw) then we have you/me/elbirn/other vig power town group that we can pass the sword around and own scum.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

and you know what that means. basically a double day.

That's why I wanted a massclaim. Muster as many conftowns as we can get and pass the sword around.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

Do you know who passed you the sword?

Nope.

Oh btw this passing thing runs on probability. I need to submit a list of 3 names.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

Nope.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

Oh btw I and mollie will reread some time tomorrow.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

Seriously, we are massclaiming today.

At this point it's no longer important what your power can do.
It is more important that you be conftown.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

VOTE: beli

All of titus\VM/elbirn are town. Other vig might be SK?

SK that loses a vig after using a kill once?
I doubt it.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

As I said the sword is being passed around like an item.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

You should totally claim that unspecified PR.

As I said, PRs at this point is used not for their roles but their ability to conftown themselves.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

You should totally claim that unspecified PR.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

oh far and tier claim while you're here.
We are massclaiming today.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

Oh and pls don't go "massclaim only helps scum" on me.
I've clearly explained why massclaim today is helping town.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

You should totally claim that unspecified PR.

I don't think there is a town motivation in doing so. It is a weak PR but town knowing really does not help but it does help scum somewhat if they know.

If enough town wants it then I will claim.

Oh and pls don't go "massclaim only helps scum" on me.
I've clearly explained why massclaim today is helping town.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

I'm not softing anything. This is not a fakeout - I am not softing a guilty here.

lets use small words and keep it very simple so as not to confuse then.

do you have a guilty on beli:

[] yes
[] no

plz chack the appropriate box tia

[Valkyrie Mollie]

Not necessarily. Claim.

...
I don't like the way you are pushing this Titus and this is somewhat against my better judgement but I don't see the any other resistance so I will claim. You realize there are abilities like bullet proof that are asinine as fuck to claim so demanding others claim when they tell you it is not helpful is not really kosher.

Town conditional lynch proof. I believe that my "condition" is the vorpol sword must not be in the wrong hands. I assume this goes away when scum get the sword. I may even die immediately if they aquire it.

this sounds like a bullshit claim.

I told you pple we shld have lynched him yesterday

[Valkyrie Mollie]

okay so I have a moment.

@ far

where the fuck was i catty. I have been defending you.

@ elby

hi elby hi.

I am not taking orders from you so plz don't presume to try to give them to me again. you being targeted for a nk means that scum are idiots and unfamiliar with the playerlist. here is a fun excercise: go look at d1 and who you were suspecting and try to figure out as to why you wld be nked. there you go thatsa good boy. fetch

[Valkyrie Mollie]

Not necessarily. Claim.

...
I don't like the way you are pushing this Titus and this is somewhat against my better judgement but I don't see the any other resistance so I will claim. You realize there are abilities like bullet proof that are asinine as fuck to claim so demanding others claim when they tell you it is not helpful is not really kosher.

Town conditional lynch proof. I believe that my "condition" is the vorpol sword must not be in the wrong hands. I assume this goes away when scum get the sword. I may even die immediately if they aquire it.

this sounds like a bullshit claim.

I told you pple we shld have lynched him yesterday

its not a bullshit claim and if you really don't believe it then lynch me right now and you'll see it will not work

what is your flavour name

[Valkyrie Mollie]

I am the tumtum tree. You?

I assume we should all have one.

what did you think when I said I was contemplating by the tumtum tree?

we are a mimsy borogrove

[Valkyrie Mollie]

it wld be a dull game if i did not piss off at least 1 person.

we are taking orders from no1.

titus if your crumbs were so obvs then you wld be dead. only in this day round did you start hugging every1.

I am not about to engage in some ego shitshow with you. if you want to know why pple ignore you in games this is why.

I have far as town. I did not like beli with his very limited engagement and truthfully I did not like him d1 but eh guy's meta read and I dug back and this is a far cry from his scum game where we were scum together but pple grow. I wanna her more from tso.

@ elby

have you looked to see who you were targeting d1 and why scum might have been tempted to nk you? cos you shld probs do that instead of getting pissy.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

If Faq2 is claiming that, then it's even better.
His role can create more conftown
we'll be like the ultimate

sex

Town machine

[Valkyrie Mollie]

VOTE: faq2

^
correct play
I'm so becoming conftown

P-edit: if he's scum lying then he is lynched.
win-win

P-edit: I doubt it but it's still a correct play to lynch him.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

Sword with correct play. I don't mind saccing the second lynch to confirm ppl as town or scum.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

Sword with correct play can get us basically two lynches*

[Valkyrie Mollie]

Conversely we can lynch faq2 to prove some stuff and vig beli no?
I don't see he difference.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

We lynch Beli. We vig the lynchproof.

no1 is gonna take orders from you

[Valkyrie Mollie]

Except if you're scum with FAQ then we've proven nothing.

why yes, we are scum with faq2 and far and who else do you wanna add in there

tso is not the cop.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

I don't know what you think titus but I plan to use his lynchproof thing twice.

Once don't confirm shit. Twice does however.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

Except if you're scum with FAQ then we've proven nothing.

Lynchproof scum? That makes no sense.

it sort of does with a vorpal sword in play but I have reason to believe that the vorpal sword's action going through is chancey

but yeah guy has it right and so do you, lynching you is the best play.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

Except if you're scum with FAQ then we've proven nothing.

why yes, we are scum with faq2 and far and who else do you wanna add in there

tso is not the cop.

*eyeroll*

Then we still Vig FAQ2 rather than wasting a lynch. We don't have to worry about you two being buddies.

If TSO is not cop, we lynch Beli or Farside.

I don't think you get it.
lynching Faq2 twice either gets a scum in 2 names or 3 conftowns.

Also I don't plan to delve into "tso is cop" until into hear it clearly from the man himself with no half crumb bs.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

So yeah if tso indeed have guilty, with my plan the game ends no longer than day 4.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

Twice? Why?

Twice so we get two results to compare.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

How does vigging faq2 net me my alignment again?

Also you're speaking with gif re plans btw

[Valkyrie Mollie]

Oh I'm all for lynch the guilty
but I want a clearly cut stated guilty not just half assed one.
I'm sorry but I'm gonna be real stubborn on this one.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

Ask Mollie if you should always lynch a guilty.

If FAQ is town telling the truth, his desire to self lynch is a desire to confirm you as town. If he's scum, he wants to confirm you both as town. Scum governor makes a hell of a lot of sense with a suicidal scum.

What kind of governor

[Valkyrie Mollie]

no.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

Elb: not sure why you are asking for a full claim but whatever.

Celebratory Citizen - VT

are you scum, far?

[Valkyrie Mollie]

well

we are a mimsy borogrove so there is that

[Valkyrie Mollie]

I. Am. Not. A. Cop.

I. Have. No. Guilty.
I. Have. No. Result.

*insert obligatory smug face here*

[Valkyrie Mollie]

Twice? Why?

Twice so we get two results to compare.

what are you comparing? I am lynchproof. If it does not work once it is not going to work again. We gain nothing whatsoever by wasting our lynches on me for no damn reason. That is asinine. Of course that is even assuming that I survive as the only player the scum cannot kill during the day phase I am going to be a rather large target at night.

The only thing that lynching me really does is confirm that you and flubber are town. You need to give the sword to confirmed town so trying to lynch me again is going to be useless.

My assumption is that you are lynchproof as long as town has a vorpal sword no?
I mean, passing it to conftowns were my plan but I don't mind handing it to random ppl just to cop them with your lynchproof either.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

On phone. far is confscum. That is all.

Not this again. Conf scum means something - TSO threw this kind of crap around and see where that went - pages lost and PR roles outed.

Where is the case? There has not been any cases built around people's lynch decisions for almost this entire day. MV STILL wants to lynch me really bad even though she has not bothered to point out a single scum post yet. Here you are on farside stating confirmed scum without any clarification. Titus wants to lynch me because of setup speculation. SETUP SPECULATION after she has been incorrect in absolutely every single detail she was 'sure of' thus far. I don't think I have ever seen anyone in mafia get so much incorrect in so short a time. TSO is the only clearly scummy player IMHO with his half assed backtracking. A case that you even pointed out above and now you are focusing on far! Nothing is making sense at all at this point and this is getting old very quickly.

we want to lynch you to prove your role what exactly is the problem here

[Valkyrie Mollie]

moar votes on faq2 plz tia

[Valkyrie Mollie]

On phone. far is confscum. That is all.

Not this again. Conf scum means something - TSO threw this kind of crap around and see where that went - pages lost and PR roles outed.

Where is the case? There has not been any cases built around people's lynch decisions for almost this entire day. MV STILL wants to lynch me really bad even though she has not bothered to point out a single scum post yet. Here you are on farside stating confirmed scum without any clarification. Titus wants to lynch me because of setup speculation. SETUP SPECULATION after she has been incorrect in absolutely every single detail she was 'sure of' thus far. I don't think I have ever seen anyone in mafia get so much incorrect in so short a time. TSO is the only clearly scummy player IMHO with his half assed backtracking. A case that you even pointed out above and now you are focusing on far! Nothing is making sense at all at this point and this is getting old very quickly.

we want to lynch you to prove your role what exactly is the problem here

Frustration. It was a rant - sue me.

You have been angling for me most of the game without a case - I did not support that but I DO support lynching me to confirm my role (and other townies) that you are going for now. Titus does not want me lynched (I used the wrong terminology there) - he wanted me vigged. That only confirms my role in so far as I will flip - much less useful. I am simply getting tired of these 'conf. scum' one liners and all this talk without real hunting or cases being presented. I am fine with the plan to lynch me - as I said I will hammer as soon as you get me to L-1. Or TSO - I am more than willing to see TSO to the gallows.

you are self-voting at this time so you can't exactly hammer yourself now can you.

sorry

[Valkyrie Mollie]

So summarize your current scumreads for me.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

dear elby,

we are beyond obvstown.
I am sorry you felt like i was rude to you.
I felt like you were rude to us.
we take orders from no1.

put us as town and work from there.

okay so you were sus of beli and far.

sounds good.

we want to lynch faq2 in order
to prove his ability in which is only
activated according to him
if the vorpal sword is in town's
hands.

I agree with this plan.
what do you think of it?

love,
mollie

[Valkyrie Mollie]

Twice? Why?

I just want to point this out cos him asking "why" does not fit with a consecutive lynchproof claim.

also I wld like flubby to answer yakko's question even tho I think flubby is town.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

I. Am. Not. A. Cop.

I. Have. No. Guilty.
I. Have. No. Result.

Then why did you not fucking say so? You were hard claiming a guilty.

Most people with faced with stop softing cop admit or revoke.

You can be policy lynched TSO if you do not have one hell of an explanation.

lolque? I second Titus request.

I sort of addressed this ages ago

[Valkyrie Mollie]

FA_Q2, you can stop acting like anyone is listening to who you suspect. Go make a case instead of talking rubbish.

I find this post ironic since I feel like I am going to die of old age before I ever hear tso's case on beli.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

I wouldn't mind vigging yakko just for his spoiled ketchup d2.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

You do realize that I'm trying to get someone else conftown other than me right?
Also governor works by shifting a lynch to someone else upon being lynched and it's the main variant of it, not the shitty greatest idea variant one.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

Even then the greatest idea variant stops self from being voted all together so FAQ2 can't be a governor.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

Nobody uses the wiki definition of the governor bc 1-shot lynchproof does it better.
I've seen governors and none of them followed the wiki definition.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

And by following that lynchproof and wiki governor does essentially the same thing (with the only difference being whether it's active or passive and "active" lynchproof is virtually pointless) and the role "lynchproof" resisting lynch is much more standardized and well-known than the wiki "governor" doing that, FAQ2 is 100% not named "governor".

P-Edit: that's why we lynch him TWICE

[Valkyrie Mollie]

Also the conditional part with vorpal sword is basically a cop that you've been looking for and since this game is clearly based on this vorpal sword mechanic, FAQ2's claim makes sense and is effectively a cop.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

Would you vig a cop titus?

[Valkyrie Mollie]

If we count faq2 as scum, then we have a modified vig (utility) that can grant scum a double kill if poorly used, doctor (protective), and... that's it.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

If it's Mollie speaking, even the cop can be scum.

I'm not mollie but I know which game you speak of.
But it's also worth noting that it's a mastin game that's called "hilarously unbalanced".

[Valkyrie Mollie]

Anyway, I ask you agian.

Would you vig a cop?

[Valkyrie Mollie]

Oh if you're ever wondering about "but we're gonna lynch a lynchproof and cause no lynch and scum can roleblock you at night", then I can guarantee that won't be happening since the vig is activated in a day.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

He's only conditional so that makes him a weak cop.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

(+ wasting a lynch for a cop report. Sounds balanced enough to me.)

[Valkyrie Mollie]

So anyway, even if we don't get to use faq2's power to test it I object vigging him until something else happens that proves him scum.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

I'm uneasy with wp Simply having no name. Especially when my early, d1 tentative townread was based on a belief that he was crumbling his flavor. On phone of course so can't quote or whatever. But early d1, in his ramblings, he said something about oysters, which somehow corresponded to one of the 3 creatures. Yeah. That's why I thought I knew his flavor.

I thought he was crumbing his flavour too!

I thought he gave us the vorpal sword. I am pretty happy that flubby gave it to us tho.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

I am not. I was kind of thinking of offing him cos I am not townreading him in the least. his play is confusing to me cos usually he at least tries regardless of alignment. we are not chopping off faq2's head just cos titus has retarded theory that is what you do with lynchproofs cos it isn't. he is looking slightly better but I dunno, seraph's play really bugged me. I am still townreading you, jon and flubber and i think there is a strong town core in there. mebbe elby will join it. there is no working with titus there is only doing what she wants but yaye she is town so now I don't have to read her posts.

lemme talk to guy and I will see what suport we can throw your way. he is pretty committed to the faq2 lynch. I just hate throwing lynches away cos it is town's main power.
happy bday jon! I am totally jelly of your day.

[Valkyrie Mollie]

What's wrong with lickerish lad?

Also jon seems really happy on his birthday which is greeeeaat have fun

But I don't really have a townread on jon so make me see it please mollie.

And why does gif want to lynch faq?

I

I fucking hate my keyboard sometimes.

okay. I am not sure I can explain my jon red to you get you to see what I see. I am not happy with the no me claim but ugh, trying to reverse gm's brain is probs not the smartest plan right now. jon seems kind of lighthearted and i liked his earlier reach out. like Isid, I thouht that he was the 1 most likely to have given the sword but he didn't so meh. scratch that. jon just feels like town jon to me it is a very loose meta read that i don't mind revisiting if I need o but right now I am just treating him as town. I thought you had him as town tho? cos you said you did so you are confusing me.

guy thinks that by lynching faq2 that it clears a bunch of players. he has already explained it itt. is there a reason why you are not paying attention?

@ beli

do you have any comments on the gamestate, reads on players...anything? anything at all? cos that wld be nice.

sorry

[Valkyrie Mollie]

There isn't a lynch I'd like to have, hence the absence of my vote.

so you have zero reads on d2 with a flip and more info? and up as a lynch candidate? really?

cos that is kind of inexcusable

[Valkyrie Mollie]

It's everyone's birthday!

(Callooh, callay!)

why so it is!

happy bday beli!

am I mean for wanting to lynch beli on his bday?

[Valkyrie Mollie]

UNVOTE: faq2

I am still sorting some things out

[Valkyrie Mollie]

I don't see much scum motivation in TSO's play.
I think me you and flub and maybe titus are ideal candidates for the gun. Don't narrow it down further, or the swordbearer might be NK'd and the sword lost.

Anybody townreading TSO?

can you walk me through the progression between these 2 thoughts tier?

[Valkyrie Mollie]

This town is kinda filled with players who I really cannot work with as town - farside all-around, Titus for unwarranted iron confidence, mollie for never listening. I'm not "active lurking on the largest wagons". I've never even touched FA, despite his idiotic martyr vote on me.

I feel like this is a bit of a cop out here, if you are town I will be hugely disappointed and if you are scum I will feel a bit insulted cos I am seeing nothing of the rising don corelone attitude that I know that you are capable of bringing to the table. we have worked together before in other games so I am unsure where this attitude is coming from. if you are town it only hurts town.

having good reads is only 50% of good town play. you have to convince pple not only that you are town but convince other players of your reads and I feel like you shld know this. in fact I wld go so far as to say that you

do

.

you don't convince other players of your reads by demanding that they listen to you, trust me, it just never works out. people want to feel good about their own contributions to a game so I have found the best way to do this is to engage your scumread in a way that gets then to drop down their guard and reveal what they wld much rather want to try to hide. like pple will feel more confidence about sheeping if they can reach their own conclusions and that is town's biggest challenge; providing the opportunity to do this while adjusting your own reads with more info.

I am looking at the beli wagon and there are 2 townreads are on there. I have been trying to tease out more reads from beli cos right now it kind of looks like he is not wanting to leave a trail i.e. avoid dropping associative tells. cos I can't believe with all that has happened he doesn't have 1 read. like even town 1s wld be good at this point. this is weird considering his d1 voting pattern cos he seemed to have some conviction wrt brantz. this is where you look sort of good but not quite cos you are not pushing him or reaching out to players to try to get him lynched.

guy has you as town. why cos of the failed attempt at a posting restriction, he feels like it wld be dumb to attract so much attention as scum and I agree except I have seen vets do it. I am not sure what your intention was when you decided to do it in the first place but what is really puzzling to me is why you dropped it when you did and then did nothing and have continued to do nothing. this is what is confusing to me. we all have games we feel apathetic about but we owe it to the mod and the rest of the playerbase to try to get involved anyway cos that is the onus we carry when we signed up. so you playing subpar serves no1. I can get all wifomy and hypothetical about this bullshit in that mebbe you saw your team had a scum suicidal whatever and gave up right then when you saw that faq2 was being strung but I am not going there I am just going to reduce things down to in thread play.

yours is lacking
beli's lacking
seraphim's was lacking and faq2 subbed in and now I am unsure cos a part of me agrees with titus in that a lynchproof does sort of point to a certain symmetry with regards to set up spec. plus why wld seraph act like he did if he knew he was lynchproof town. god I wld love that role I wld be even more obnoxious than I already am.

I just want you to get more engaged with the game so i can get a better read.

this is my reachout

[Valkyrie Mollie]

Does day end if we lynch the unlynchable?

lets ask gm cos I think it depends on the mod

@ mod - does lynching a lynchproof end the day round?

also I am with titus on saying we shld list our 3 players since what saysis true she is most likely dead anyways.

I am waiting to synch up with guy, my crashed and I lost all of my contact info for the past 5 years but I sent him a pm

[Valkyrie Mollie]

*my phone crashed

god I hate this keyboard it truly sucks. whole words are left out of my posts

[Valkyrie Mollie]

We have come to the conclusion that we'll be shooting faq2.

UNVOTE:

[Valkyrie Mollie]

it doesn't take effect until the beginning of the next day round so no, you won't get a result in this 1

[Valkyrie Mollie]

VOTE: yakko

following guy's boogie

[Valkyrie Mollie]

VOTE: beli

we are vigging tso