Mini 1677 - Ori and the Blind Forest Mafia - Forest Revived

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/confirm

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VOTE: elusive

Sheeping ika

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Vote: ZZZX

Not at all RVS. This is a policy lynch. Basically for Pathfinder Mafia and I have it on good authority that Pathfinder Mafia was not a unique occurrence.

Good to dance with you again, ika.

Why didn't you WOTC him before the game started?

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In every game, there is the option of PMing the mod if a player who signed up is really unbearable. The mod will consider it and may or may not remove the player before the game even starts. A good player would then be able to take the slot (just look at this playerlist... gives me a hardon).


Take a look at the signups. Marvel Mafia has TSQ removed and Saint added; probably a result of the wisdom thing.

Oh well, the playerlist is finalized, let's make do with what we have.

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Yup, it's unfortunate. Good luck and have fun in the game. Hopefully if you're town we can solve this game in double time.

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Andrius, tell us: who are the players in this game are you most familiar with? Who do you make it a higher priority to sort first? And how good/accurate are you at sorting those players?

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Hi mollie! <3

Sheeping ika because he is ika

I need to get a read on Andy! He is one of my top priority targets to sort! If he is town (I already have a town read on him) then it is advantageous to town, and we should collaborate reads and work together.



I was waiting for you to check in Mollie!!! :):) so here is my counter reach out

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Mollie who is frogger? Do you know him RL, else how do you guys meet and why did you hydra

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okay so when did you decide that he was town?

when he announced a policy lynch on zzzx lol.

anyway, this is RQS/RVS! chill gal lol



thats nice to hear about frogger! ok i will be nice. i remember the last game that we played and you were newbie-guiding with some guy called trickster and i forgot what the game was but i did not remember having so much fun there.


i know you enough to guess what your answers will be to the question that i asked andy! so i will not ask you that.

here is a changed question:

who in this game are you most afraid of rolling scum and why? any examples of nasty scumgames?

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I didn't like singer's mere confirm either. Surely she should have seen the long talk that we have already made.

also, Sheeping ika

VOTE: singer

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frogger is cute!

mollie i hate your push on me. it is disgusting and your angle makes me feel all sorts of uneasy. you are not town yet.

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VOTE: mollie

this is for u!

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Hello Plum!

Andrius seems very excited about you being in the game. I don't know you at all, but I hope you are as fun as he says.

I'm going to sort you, of course, but mostly I'll fall back to his read on you.

That's my plan!

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assuming this is brian

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fuck, it's pie?

where is your hello

hello.

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@pie

okay, looks like you will have to sign.

also, maybe i am getting rebound syndrome but mollie's push on me without trying to interact with me in a meaningful way is really disgusting. it reminds me of a recent game.

@ mollie:

i am assuming nick refers to me? cos when the hell did you ever refer to me as nick

and what are you feeling pretty good about? about your vote on me or are you like townreading me now. gold sounds like a good thing

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her-scum would be more likely to simply buddy up to you out the gate

true, very true. that was her tactic as scum the other time and i got snowed.

but i am pretty sure you should know why i am having bad feels about mollie's "quick push" on me


i dont like it one bit.

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MS, care to clarify your cryptic statement to WNI?

No.

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seriously

if it uses caps/proper punctuation, it's Brian, if not, it's pieguyn

if every post it makes is a wall post, it's Brian, if not, it's pieguyn

I'm staring in disbelief you wouldn't know that by now. ._.

i know that. the first time i saw brian post in nocaps i was shocked.


anyway...

OK, i understand that she is trying to scumhunt and sort me right now, so i am going to let it sit. but she has played many games with me and was my hydra partner before so being blatantly wrong is not a good sign.

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I like frogger. Gonna townread Mollie. Her read on me still sucks though. Need a nacho


Yukari is scum

VOTE: yukari

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Yukari,

Who do you think is my "scum buddy"?

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+ why?

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on phone now as usual so can't respond to stuff


singer town
Andy town
Ika town
Pieguy town
Elusive town
Grib leaning town
Plum leaning town
Frogging leaning town
Hydrangea null
Bookitty leaning scum
Yukari scum

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zzzx town

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Eh cool. Just nice I have 3 non townreads. Perfect number of scum in a mini theme.

Slay them. I think I am right. I am usually right

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Yes I googled ori to flavor hunt and I am very persuaded to play it


But I am a study kid so I do not have much of time

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I am the first to confirm therefore I am the first to be on everyone's townlist



To avoid this being rated as a spampost: frogger, how independent are you at playing the game and hunting scum? How confident are you at finding scum without handholding from mollie? Because she is setting a wrong example by calling me scum (not a bad example cause all mistake can be learned from) but either your slot is scum or she will go "oops oh well" at the end of the game and everyone will learn

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I am not feeling good about this game because I don't have any strong townreads

Like they are only townreads but nobody has ever hit the strong town market except singer




Pedit: hi singer I am town!

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I am not! Frogger is going to defer to Mollie's read on me and Mollie will be stubborn about it and I know it so I won't even try that angle even if I were scum.

I think I like frogger and I want to know how ready is he to stand on his feet? Cos I also am involved in a hydra-newbie-teaching account so I learn how these things work.


I want to see how he thinks about the rest of the game. It is fun to play with these players

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I am being obviously townie and Mollie's failure to read me is her fault not mine. And it is pretty grievous if I think about it.

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Right now I'm leaning wrong.

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Oh yeah? I am hunting scum. I am hunting you.

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Why the fuck are there 2 votes on signer??? That's crazy.

Also I am town. I am de facto scum mislynch day 1 whenever there is no daytalk . Mollie help me you know that this is my town game and I got mislynch day 1 in AH redemption too.

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Ok yukari is scum. I am sure about this. Everyone should sheep me now.

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They're bullshitting at this point and have no attempts to scumhunt or solve the game


I have caught scum, slay them!!!

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I decided to take a look at your role pm when you caught my attention and to my surprise it was red

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Yeah I just read it

You weren't here yesterday so I kind of ignored you.



Now that I have found scum (for real!) I will get town to lynch you or die trying )))

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Watch as I ring heavens bell and townies respond to my call and vote you.

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You're the one who is lying. It's my word against yours. I will 1v1 you and make sure your scum blood spills all over the ground

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Wrong answer.

The correct answer was "we are hope aligned".


Everyone lynch this fucking scumbag

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Hahahaha ok you have failed all the tests

I won't let scum get away this time

Let's up the ante. I'm placing my bet.

i am ori. Any counterclaims?


I want people to sheep me and vote yukari within their next post. With blind faith at least. Go.

Your call.

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Good. Call the bet. Self vote and get me lynched tomorrow

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Actually no, keep it that way.


Im ready to destroy you. I'm not scared of dying.

You dead.

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We'll see about that.

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bullshit iioa

3/10

why the fuck arent ika and pie and zzzx sheeping me on yukari?? i said that i have caught scum and i am right very often at early game and i am pretty fucking frustrated with this game

like seriously FUCK the nightless? its ruining all of my games when im town and somehow i have the burden to play every game better than my scumgame especially with you failbags who cant read me and now every game i go into its "ms is scum" and im back to the old days of being a lynchbait like what the fuck is this. ika you're fucking kidding

the problem that makes me more frustrated is how its so difficult to push scum. literally i just showed you that i want yukari dead but nobody sheeped me like must i yell in huge bold font all the time for people to sheep me cuz even if im right nobody will like me for it so its a catch 22 where i either play against my wincon and let the scum run away or i push scum in the only way i know how to do which is very obnoxiously and yelling and everyone will hate me for it and not play with me again like fuck THAT. like


i am just frustrated with this game cause my good scumgame (WHICH I LOST THE FUCKNIG GAME, BTW) is ruining all my other games.


and mollie u just give scum room to hide. like you gave yukariscum the fucking reason to just sit on my wagon and talk bullshit when he copied whatever you said and ugh fuck

seriously, if you see me being wagoned on day 1 100% of the time i am town because

SCUMFUCKS LIKE YUKARI ARE TAKING THE OPPORTUNITY TO BAG A FREE MISLYNCH and you people are giving them room to hide.

must i yell all the time to look town? it makes me look stupid and nobody will play with me. jesus. i am literally conftown after my claim but must i always resort to PRs to clear me in future? cause that sucks dick

please vote yukari thanks

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MS, you have not been scumhunting at all this game.

neither have you, scumbag. i dont see you scumhunting. you are just copying mollie's misread on me, copying her reasoning, and sitting down with a scumtunnel

you need to die

i need to slay you

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1. Which element would you choose (theme related) – Water, Wind, or Warmth?
2. Choose a player you’ve played with already in this game and describe their town vs. scum meta
3. Choose a player you don’t know at all and ask them a question. Which element would you choose (theme related) – Water, Wind, or Warmth?2. Choose a player you’ve played with already in this game and describe their town vs. scum meta3. Choose a player you don’t know at all and ask them a question.

I dont know about the theme but lets say in general
I want to be wind. cause flying is a pretty good ability. like I used to think it was underrated but after some thinking, flying is actually pretty good. warmth sounds really lame like is it fire or something cause that just sounds huggy and lovable but not so much of element


player: mollie. mollie is mean as town and nice as scum

3. elusive can you please vote yukari?

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so far metal has yet to make a correct statement about our history or interactions and it bugs me.

this is so fucking stupid. how hard is it to make correct statements about our history like is that even a valid tell? i can do that as scum and you know it. stop it.

MS, elaborate on how you think its not meaningful? if your refencing nightless, then thats easy to expalin mostly cus you were scum

i was talking to pie.

also mollie should know that 1. scum me never gets caught EVER unless my partners die first 2. town me is mislynch bait DAY 1 like look at antihero redemption

so she is helping scum and it is a bad thing. i actually hope for sanity that she is scum but she sounds town but sounding town may actually be scum so ugh

And I fucking hate it when people are like "I trust you to do the right thing" because it manipulates someone to read you a certain way by automatically influencing their subconscious with the illusion of ooomustbetown. I think "fearmongering" is an appropriate buzzword? (I really don't know if that applies as much as I think it does)

yes! yes! yes yes!!!!

omg i hate it when they say that. look at how many people asked me to "look townie" right now in this game. fuck that. what the fuck am i supposed to do, swear a lot and yell is huge bold obnoxious font? i dont want to do that. but wow it is the only thing i can do!

for me, shiny things are things that in my paranoid mind I easily latch onto and convince myself that somehow they are scum motivated. this is something I have been trying to correct in my play for a while with pretty good success. so I acknowledge the shiny things but don't latch onto them like I used to.

oh yea? i am shiny as fuck and you know that. i want you to disengage and lynch yukari with me. you know i can catch scum but u dont acknowledge it why is that?

do you think that metal's question's are particularly useful?

[]yes
[]no

cos if you think my responses were not "good" or "useful" then you wld have to address the questions themselves in the first place which you seem reluctant to do? cos you are saying it is not alignment indicative and I am not sure how you are getting there cos at the time of his posting he was asking inane questions which have nothing to do with scumhunting and I am wondering how you are missing that.

i dont give a fuck how useful you think my questions were. i think they are useful for ME. so buzz off

you dont know how to read me and that is a shame. i think only muffina is a player that can read me right.

either that or you're scum, then its not a shame.

you might as well buddy me because at least i wont look at you or get mad and all that




anyway all the scumreads on me are stupid. it makes me feel as if i must play scum right now and drop towntells on purpose or something. fuck that.


just

lynch yukari i want to see him at l-2

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why the fuck arent ika and pie and zzzx sheeping me on yukari?? i said that i have caught scum and i am right very often at early game and i am pretty fucking frustrated with this game

can you walk me through *why* Yukari is scum? I'd look at it but I don't actually know what your reasoning is (sans that last post and I'm still undecided on it - while I agree most of it is shallow and/or incorrect, there are some things making me think it is likely just coming from misguided town).

they are scumtunnelling. they have no reads on other players. their reason for scumreading me is just grabbing what others said. they failed my reaction test they are

fucking scum i tell you!@

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this is bullshit.

i am literally thinking of going to my scum books and grab "how to towntell 101" and splash them all here

thats how frustrated i am

mollie is also bullshitng her read on me and it is sad. "sonic's scumgame is really fucking good!" and then she expects me to be caught day 1 hello??????? sonic scum is obvtown

but thats fine cause i misread her all the time too

but ugh

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mollie i caught gg first in AH redemption and i want you to trust me and help me vote yukari now.

i dont want to disengage them because if i let them go that will be a sad affair. like how etl carried the fucking game because town were idiots and etl had a good scumgame and even though me and u caught her but she evaded and won

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every time im town my main goal is: survive day 1.

like i literally forgot that because i've been gone for a bit, playing in hydras, playing scum, etc.

then when i come back to simple fresh town games my goal changed to: catch scum asap.

i am wrong.

i should revert my goal back to: survive day 1.

good thing my role clears me so i have a bit of leeway but i am noting this for myself!

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ust as one point, the "ori role" is literally how theme games work - you have a character (ori) with a mafia role assigned to it (and even then it doesn't have to be a standard mafia role, some theme games have more complex or entirely new roles). it's not a fake claim just bc "there's no ori role on the wiki". and you're still misinterpreting how the setup works - the role pools in the first post only apply to actual mafia roles and not character flavors.

they're making bullshit up to scumread me now. i mean the reasons are beyond ridiculous. find mislynch -> push mislynch.

its a scumtunnel. and of course i am outnumbered. i am only 1 player. i need you to vote yukari with me plz.

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btw:

if i am not tunneling on yukari, then bookitty is my best bet at scum. typical scumposting. pings quite hard, but a sample size of 1 post takes less precedence over yukari's constant pinging.



back to pushing scumyukari

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you cannot meta metal through pattern matching, if you want to meta him you have to understand him as a player. if he is town then he is trying to throw his town game to couch his scum 1. I wld like to think that he wldn't do that but then I have been surprised by other players before.

ok at least u got this points right here. that feels good to me.

but you are still off. i am town and this is my typical town game. nightless and twin trap were my top games for both alignments. they are special.

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mollie that is not true

i am scumhunting in every post i make


well almost



and its very easy to fake scumhunting. i can do it as scum. so what kind of bad reading method tell is that?

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mollie i got a memo not to spam

but this game is really not making it fun. i am feeling as if i have to meet up to expectations and i dont like that in a game. it is draining and it is not relaxing at all. and i dont want to be another d1 lynch again so can u plz

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and shos also told me during the nightless that you too are capable of meta dodging

without nachos as our beacon here u really are a question mark. so people townreading you also makes me go when your posts have been blatantly wrong

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organic and nightless

and i lost both games.

at those points you might as well wait for me to derp to lose.

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you cannot meta metal through pattern matching, if you want to meta him you have to understand him as a player. if he is town then he is trying to throw his town game to couch his scum 1. I wld like to think that he wldn't do that but then I have been surprised by other players before.

ok at least u got this points right here. that feels good to me.

but you are still off. i am town

and this is my typical town game

. nightless and twin trap were my top games for both alignments. they are special.

see, I really don't feel that way, if anything this looks like your typical scumgame.

if you are town then gj cos you are imitating your scum meta to a T. which wld pretty much nuke everything that you have said.

then u got my baseline wrong. i fucked up your baseline of me because of the FUCKING NIGHTLESS which I LOST and now you are so arrogant to think that you can catch me within page 2

well done.

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you also fucked up my baseline on you because fucking CAPCOM WHICH YOU WON

SO FUCK

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im sorry for frogger that i have to play like this

this is not a good image

but you are messing up big time mollie and the more pages that you go on with this stupid push the more i hope you're flipping scum. because this is just shameful

and then after i get lynched you can go to froggy with your mom voice and say "So, remember to never play like this guy over here!"

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you didnt do shit. ooba was the one that caught me, and even i took him for a spin. and we would have won if i hadn't derped.


anyway, fuck the nightless.

vote yukari with me plz

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@METAL When I need to sheep you I wait for your invitation first, Now I just saw that post and will read last 2 pages within 2 minutes, stand with me for a sec

yes!!!!! that is correct!

in that game notice: i never called you to sheep me <------ this is how you catch scum-me (but now that i said it, you cant use that in future games cause i can copy it next time :/)


also yes yes yes thank you zzzx!!!!!


we need more people on yukari! please!

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yaaay yay yay!


thanks for voting yukari and supporting the sonic scumhunting trust!

can i help you with anything? ask me any questions?

i have good knowledge of zzzx. he is town for me. he is evaluating the game, and i also feel that scum-him wont go "you're wanting to policy lynch me? you're town". also, i am happy that he trusts me and is voting yukari too

you are right that ika is hard to decipher alignment from. but for ~reasons~ i read him as quite town.

why do you have singer as null? has she not posted enough to get a read on her?

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I forget who it was who said it, but I recall reading someone question ika's involvement thus far in the game and that they are usually more involved. Are you finding that to be so at all? Or still a solid town read?

ika has definitely made a shift to his play since i last saw him. i have no comment with regard to that. ika isn't a "solid" town read. just a town read. i do not yet have any "solid" town reads in this game, the two players that are close are singer and zzzx at the moment.





Hi boo! if you vote yukari i will give you a temporary free pass! dont bullshit about elusive cause i dont know her at all.

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look at me too since im super popular

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i dont talk to scum


but this is for the peanut gallery:
basically your read on me is bs and you're making up nonsense to push my lynch. many of the points in your half assed "case" doesnt even make sense, and the conclusions are just copied off mollie's push. took all the quotes and said something random and fakeable about them to justify your fake scumread. you have no reads beyond "ms is scum" and that justifies you not doing anything else for the rest of the day. thats pure scum.

im not changing my vote either.

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and i see you are getting desperate as well after some people voted you eh?

need some ice water? i have it in the fridge. cool down.

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If Yukari flips town then you will be speedlynched next, are you willing to accept that?

I don't mind being speedlynched. I'm more worried about the loss of reputation though. Right now as you can see, I'm banking a lot on Yukari-scum. Not just my role/life in this game, but my credibility as a scumhunter. In Team Mafia (Twin Trap), I lost quite a lot with the Quilford lynch, though I can defend myself with "At least I was going to lynch ETL tomorrow so the game wasn't lost". I'm not sure what excuse I'll come up with if I'm wrong for this game. I'd rather not think about it.

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The claim of Ori was bad, how do you think you will survive night one for those who looked up the game and know the character if the claim is true?

This is really the last of my priorities. Say Yukari is lynched successfully and flips scum today, I might be killed Night 1, but I've got a backup plan. Not only that, I'll most probably post a reads list before the lynch or something. Right now I'm more concerned with getting more people to see the light.

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Understood.

I'm using my book of Level 2 Scumtells to judge Yukari atm. Seems to hit the notes for newb-scum.

I'll take a look at the meta.

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WTF ika... Mollie might be scum, you know she can meta dodge. She is wrong don't throw the game by voting me do you think this is a bastard game wtf?

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Mollie is antagonizing me and I feel more and more that her push is not town motivated

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OMG just don't believe Mollie okay I am town you should lynch yukari with me not the other way round ika are you crazy

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Pie don't vote zzzx, vote yukari?

They probably got the memo "lynch metal sonic day 1" but because they are new they don't know how to do it right so most of their posts comes across as wrong bullshit,

But she probably has a good team that I would love to imagine contains Mollie now so whatever

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:/

Mollie is antagonizing me like I trying really hard not to spam here


She's using mollieclout to push a free day 1 ms mislynch? Like look at all my past game a wagon on me d1 is a wagon on town me. Mollie should know this better and town Mollie should have disengaged already (she just unvoted, so that counts too, but ugh)

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Bookitty is my best bet at scum imagining yukari did not exist

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Oh yea you are zar' teammate

Help me out here and vote yukari please

I am really out of steam here. I am exhausted by this game that was meant to be a fun time with friends.

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Well yeah I know I might be bias so I want you guys to get yukari.

I am pretty upset for 2 reasons:

Pple are lynching me
Pple are not helping me lynch yukari

I am less upset because some of this has been solved but ika you are really disappointing me


Ps: I disappointed you too but like I said Mollie is antagonizing me hard

[Metal Sonic]

OK,

I am replacing out. Hope this is better for everyone.

Enjoy the game, folks.

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Turns out I can't do that

I'm here to stay ._________________.

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I asked 5 listmods

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Because I am pretty derpy! I'll explain it after the game if you guys are still interested.

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I would have pounced on myself for the above request too, it sounds dodgy as fuck, but everything has a reason.

I'm pretty unsure as to my feelings on Mollie.



W.r.t yukari, I don't know how you can even consider that they are town when they have literally fuck-all except for garbage posts and being blatantly wrong their entire ISO? Like, even Mollie isn't doing fuck-all. The keyword is doing fuckall

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I am here but I don't think you want to talk to me

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I am here but I don't think you want to talk to me

Ill talk to you as long as its not about fucking molie. cus ill state right now, you are do drop her untill i sort her myself

how about this, talk to me about andy, yukari, plume, booitty, hydra

if you cast mollie is bad light about trying to lynch you after she unvoted i will move my damn vote back

Andy is Mia. I want to see his comments about all this

Yukari is a scummyscumfuck. I looked at their meta already but I can only post full length on com. Just simply their town play is more like able and confused about who is town or scum. Here they seem like faking confusion about lame stuff like the setup. They also have been doing fuck all the whole game except tunnel on me. No reads in their ISO. In their town games they have townreads. No townreads over here. They are scum basically


Bookitty is my 2nd top scumread. Their 2nd post just hit my scumdar quite bad but I don't know how to explain it. And her recent posts are 0 content so not fantastic.


I like hydra for Sheeping me on yukari so my answer is probably biased so don't ask me. Ps: I think they are town

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I don't understand what you just asked. I don't have meta on anyone. Elusive asked me to look at yukari meta so I am using it to explain what I think of it.

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I'm on phone so no case for you. Just look at their ISO and see if you find any genuine scumhunting

I was the first to mention bookitty scumread. It's just that she only had 1 (scummy) post so I didn't push. I am not Sheeping singer



Pedit: thank you very much frogger

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Why do you have ika as null, and pieguy as leaning scum?

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ok outside of metal atm.

whats your reads on boo, any, yukari, plume?

VOTE: metal

im going with mollie on this.

WNI: do it plz i trust mollie a lot more then i trust myself and it would make the game 10 times easier

Don't trust Mollie ffs

Trust me more

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hi guys

ketching up and i am up to here:

OK,

I am replacing out. Hope this is better for everyone.

Enjoy the game, folks.

Turns out I can't do that

I'm here to stay ._________________.

I asked 5 listmods

holy jesus mary and christ SINGER AND I KNOW MOST OF THE LIST MODS PERSONALLY PRETTY SURE THAT META DID NOT PM 5 LIST MODS AND GOT A RESPONSE WITHIN 10 MINUTES W/O THE LIST MODS TALKING TO ANK FIRST METAL IS LYIG HIS FUCKING ASS OFF ANY1 WHO IS TOWNREADING METAL AFTER THIS IS EITHER SCUM WITH METAL OR A FREAKING IDIOT

Lulz.. duh duuhhhdadededuddh adadedu dedob arkhueeu ehuehheuh

Was not tryin 2 make metal want to leave the game. MS had quite the reaction to just a bit of pressure.

It's not you. It's mollie. Ffs

ika stop being dumb for like 1 day or something

[Metal Sonic]

holy jesus mary and christ SINGER AND I KNOW MOST OF THE LIST MODS PERSONALLY PRETTY SURE THAT META DID NOT PM 5 LIST MODS AND GOT A RESPONSE WITHIN 10 MINUTES W/O THE LIST MODS TALKING TO ANK FIRST METAL IS LYIG HIS FUCKING ASS OFF ANY1 WHO IS TOWNREADING METAL AFTER THIS IS EITHER SCUM WITH METAL OR A FREAKING IDIOT

Bahahaha good call Mollie. This is why you're the expert head.

I'm actually in agreement with this.

I do agree that Yukari is not playing here the way they have in both newbie games (pointed out by Froggy, MS, and I believe WNI). Yukari is being strange and I don't like it because if she's town then it's just bizarre anti-town play that causes confusion and if she's scum well that makes life easier but I rarely believe scum to hand themselves on a platter. What I've been trying to figure out is that some of MS vs. Yukari feels fake or theater without actual emotion behind it, which I'm trying to parse through.

However, I'm still trying to fathom how 5 list mods would say anything about MS replacing out in such a short time period and without any reason. That lie alone is making dislike MS quite a lot even so far I haven't been able to check WNI's points about his playstyle. AtE also always annoys me at some level.

MS, link to your latest completed scum and town game.

Go to the team mafia forum, and view Twin Trap and Vanilla Nightless.

Town in twin trap, scum in nightless. Those were my attempts at best play in those gamss

[Metal Sonic]

I would have pounced on myself for the above request too, it sounds dodgy as fuck, but everything has a reason.

I'm pretty unsure as to my feelings on Mollie.



W.r.t yukari, I don't know how you can even consider that they are town when they have literally fuck-all except for garbage posts and being blatantly wrong their entire ISO? Like, even Mollie isn't doing fuck-all. The keyword is doing fuckall

I also agree. Therefore I am town.

[Metal Sonic]

Mollie u are giving scum room to hide. and calling me scum every time you play with me =\= expert at reading me. Also, with the white flag being won by scum (great job ika!) i am even more salty about nightless. Fuck that game, stop rubbing it

[Metal Sonic]

OK so evidence is clear here that yukari is scum. Even through meta which even players ambivalent or scumreading me (froggy) can objectively point out.


Ignore the huge distraction that is Mollie and shift ----------> to the game winning yukari wagon plz and ty

[Metal Sonic]

no scumbag

you fell for my honeypot


my honeypot is too effectively apparently >__________>

[Metal Sonic]

you dont fucking get to say that you were honeypotting when i was doing it first





although thanks for teaching me the correct term for the move that i do as my main repetoire

[Metal Sonic]

IF metal happens to flip town (and I have srs doubts here) he is throwing his town meta to support a scum 1 cos I have not said 1 single antagonstic thing towards metal, elusive yes, metal no, I read him as scum, have made a case and voted him.

how fucking bad can this be by the way.

somehow it is my fault that you suck at telling the differencce between my scumgame and towngame? that means u are not an expert at reading me. thats all

[Metal Sonic]

yukari i read yor town meta. you are fun to play with and i liked your style in those newbie games.


but you're obvious scum here. lol. your play there and here are night and day. others said it, not me. its just confirmation.


mollie's self confirmation is fail cause its confirmation bias. but others confirm my read on you with new evidence. so thats the difference.

[Metal Sonic]

I am not budging from his lynch. cos either way we are lynching a) scum or at the very least bad town. and metal's town is not bad, he can actually be quite good when he wants to be.

you are teaching a wrong example to froggy.

how about this.

after i flip town, i want to play with froggy in a game without YOU inside


that sounds fair and non-rule breaking

[Metal Sonic]

Ika I'm not sold on metal.

Sell it to me if you even want me to think about it perhaps? What makes his play the same as say nless and not like DT?

DT?

im already sold cus when i watched nightless go on mollie had him peged from entracne and mollie is top town read so i trust her a lot more.

it took you a very long while to decide on MS scum so i take your idea for a grain right now. yes im being kinda dick to you but im telling you not only is he scum btu im not going to tolarate his massifve cap/bold/spam post that he has already done

Double trap


Also I understand your point but I don't really lynch town reads that easily. I CAN be wrong but prove that I am and I will follow. Its just that simple

theres no way to really prove it besides trust me and mollie?

also if we are going off double trap it would come and show how bad sonic is if anything.

how about what are your reads atm then as a change of pace

How fucking shit is this, by the way

[Metal Sonic]

I actually liked the way you played in the newbies.

God damn it, the last time gg disengaged first too and I let go and he flipped scum. this is the same of my target disengaging first and look at me resist not unvoting yukari now.

I agree that meta reading you from games 1-2 years ago is not accurate. But elusive asked, so a very clear answer was given. Whether it is working evidence or not will be proven after your flip.


OK. You shall vote bookitty then. I will still keep my vote on you.

[Metal Sonic]

I agree with plum. I thought that they were partners with you. Was planning to powerlynched them after you flipped scum. Fine.

[Metal Sonic]

Clearly I don't agree with the rest. ika is pretty frustrating and anti-town

[Metal Sonic]

Their read on you "???" Sounds like the most noncommittal thing I have ever seen

[Metal Sonic]

Unless andrius is scum with plum.

I still think you are scum though :/

Just because you unvoted me does not mean I must townread you!

[Metal Sonic]

Tinfoil theory is Andy/plum/bookitty

Just in case. This can be seen when I am dead with spoilers and groan about how I wish I followed this later

[Metal Sonic]

That's unfortunate. I hope I can play with you in another game where I am not subject to such grating circumstances. I've already gone through yukari' meta as you asked, and as you predicted they are not playing like their previous games.

[Metal Sonic]

i am going to eat 10 chill pills and not post in this game until I get prodded


VOTE: bookitty

This is the only wagon in the game where I am 100% sure that there are no scum on the current wagon. Yukari wagon is good too but my supporters are getting chainsawed.

Sorry elusive, I didn't leave a good first impression for you. This game was drastically contrary to how I planned to play.

[Metal Sonic]

The chill pills wore off. I absolutely have to respond to mollie's bullshit, because if I just watched at how pieguy is breaking his back to defend me and help me, I'd be a dick.

Firstly, calm territories:

We mostly agree with this read on mollie, can def see her as scum, which is a scary thought since she oozes town vibes to us. We want to believe mollie is town.

I mostly agree with Yukari's read on the above. I too am afraid that mollie is the one that fell for the honeypot, not you Yukari. Which is hell of problematic, because I was adamant that you were the one.

I remembered that I have a weakness of disengaging on scum when they townread me after my interrogation. So do not think that you are in the clear yet. It's just that I'm away on de-stress non-spam leave.

---

okay. he is somehow town when he lied about not only the mod but the listmods as well.

I find it absolutely deplorable that you're latching onto this action so strongly when 1) You don't even understand the situation AT ALL 2) You don't even bother to consider the obvious town motivations that I had for it, even though you "claim" to know me "best". 3) You know that I lie as both alignments. And (3) Isn't even applicable here because I wasn't lying about PMing 5 listmods.

How about I explain it right now so that you can shut up about it and drop it like how pieguy quickly dismantled all your other accusations against me.

Of course I knew that the listmods won't respond to me in 10 minutes. How fucking dumb do you think I am? You appear to think I'm a genius, here

I feel like you are underestimating metal in a pretty big way, he not a fucking derp.

So why the hell would I ask 5 - FIVE - 5 listmods. Because of your very answer "They don't respond so fast".


I wanted them to clarify if I was breaking any rules with whatever I planned upon replace-out. It's

that simple

obviously not very difficult to imagine, because I've toed the line a number of times and you KNOW this. It's not something that I thought that Anky was at a position to answer, plus his response time was probably slower.

And let's get back to the point about "10 minutes response". Clearly, I had established contact with (one of) them before posting #362. If you'd actually cared or bothered to read the context, you'd be more cognizant that I already had the idea for quite some time. So, it wasn't a fucking 10-minute response, the PM was sent hours before my post.

Since you know the listmods so well, why don't you ask them yourselves about the veracity of my claim?

You're making an obviously biased accusation out of the gate without any consideration for the bigger picture and/or what the situation is really is like. Anybody with two eyes could see how cryptic I was being around that event, so your pushing of it despite your lack of understanding about the situation reflects more poorly upon you than on me.

And I love Anky and I've made that clear. So your accusation about me throwing shade on the mod? I can't believe I'm saying this to you mollie, but

fuck you

.

---

I am not budging from his lynch. cos either way we are lynching a) scum or at the very least bad town.

And seriously this? Translate: Let's policy lynch Metal Sonic.

Your game here is fucking ridiculous.

Let's see here:

IF metal happens to flip town (and I have srs doubts here) he is throwing his town meta to support a scum 1

What kind of shit accusation is this? I've clearly intended for this game to be a fun one in an enjoyable playerlist, which was why I joined. Andrius, pieguy, Ika, Bookitty...

And you actually make this slanderous bullshit that I would throw my towngame on purpose.

Which player on this site would actually take this shit from you, mollie? Because in the nightless, the backlash from you replacing in was shocking, even to me as scum. And they weren't the only ones who had issues, since that period till now, every time I hear someone hating or unhappy with pirate mollie I get legitimately shocked. Because of this, I wish you're scum here, so that I can forgive you after the game.


So fine, I admit that I'm not playing this game to my top A game. Well, fuck that, this isn't Team Mafia, I don't expect to be held to the same standards as I did in those games. As long as I play nice, hunt scum, and give everyone a fun experience, I'm good. You're not only ruining my experience, but also making a huge collateral fuck out of all of this which I repeat: gives scum room to hide, and make me look like shit, and don't really give Froggy such joy after his poor experience in his newbie. Like, once again I hope you're scum here, because at least Froggy doesn't have to watch all this AS TOWN.

Elusive dislikes me now. Sure, you can deny all of it, saying that it's purely my fault for acting in such a poor manner. But I still blame you.

---

I feel like you are underestimating metal in a pretty big way, he not a fucking derp. he knows this and more importantly he knows that I KNOW HE KNOWS THIS. his scumgame is a conglomerate of nacho/mastina/etl/titus <------- these are his scum influences.

Seriously now. You praise my scumgame, telling the world about how great my scum meta is and how I cannot be allowed to live, but you are so arrogant as to think for the slightest second that you would be able to catch scum-me at page 2. That's pretty inconsistent, one of the main reasons that you were alive and managed to endgame me was because of my glorious WhiteKnight on your predecessor EddieFenix. I had no angle to hit you with, even though most players were in favor of lynching you. So fuck that, I would have been able to lynch you if I didn't WK Eddie, the nerve of you to think that you would be able to beat my scumgame there. Once again I reiterate, ooba was the MVP of that game. Also, fuck that game, I lost.

My point is: After playing a game so recently with you, EVEN IF I am scum here, you won't be able to catch me on Day 1. So don't give everyone that inconsistent shit about "Sonic's scum meta is good" "He is obviscum"


And you go one step further to talking shit about my town game:

at the very least bad town.

I don't think metal wld be that much of a douche if town

Notwithstanding the crap about me "throwing my town game to support a scum one". Like, that is literally libelous defamation right there, and I wouldn't take that shit from a player not named mollie.

Like. Here's the thing. If you just fucking suck at differentiating my town game and my scumgame, it's

your

problem. You are right that I know my town and scum game pretty well. I play "the differences between sonic's town and scum game" with myself whenever I can. There are indeed differences, and if you can't catch them, it's a lack of understanding on your part.

Or how about this, why don't I PM you the list of differences real quick, so that you can accurately sort me whenever you play with me in future? Or I could PM you a list of trust tells so that you know I'm town instantly. Because if you plan to suck the joy out of my games just to figure out what's different, by some brute force approach, I might as well give you the answers directly. No fuss, no hassle. Just spoonfeeding.


And the point comes where mollie insults me as a player directly:

my god he is such a fantastic player we shld save him right now.

I am A-okay lynching shitty players on d1.

if metal is town then this game will be used for wotc for putting ank in an awkward position and you know what? I am okay with that.

Why don't you keep your story consistent? Because either the above, or the below quote, is bullshit:

he knows I love him and he loves me too

So which one of it is bullshit? They're mutually exclusive.

---

I've just showed you how you antagonized me by insulting my scumgame, insulting my towngame, and finally insulting me as a player.

So am I supposed to be townreading you mollie? Because Mollie is mean as town. I learned that after 5 games of your very sweet play that was mostly directed at other players.

Or are you scum who's subjugating my overly simplistic meta-view of "mollie is mean as town and nice as scum"? Are you teaching me a lesson that my poor generalisation is false? Because it's really easy to be become mean just for the sake of it as scum.

I mean, I know. "Sonic is nice as town and mean as scum".

Here, there's your first meta difference free-of-charge. Now you can read me better, cause you're just pretty bad at it when you think you're so great.

[Metal Sonic]

We're not lynching mollie today. We'll sort her in future days. Or you guys, if I'm not around. Whatever.


I'm going to take more chill pills so that I won't post in here.

[Metal Sonic]

Well, ika, I trust you and elusive the most. So if you're completely sold on mollie, then I will follow you.

elusive, what say you?

I'm not sold on it, I'm looking at the mollie linked games to see what she's talking about. Like literally reading the game from beginning to end (the first one with ETL).

There's no Ori CC so that bothers me a little bit. If MS flips fucking Ori I don't care about ika or anyone else I will go into full on shank mode.

In general any sort of AtE disgusts me and is like turn off central. So I almost want to spite both and lynch someone else.

I'm also not sure why if MS is town they don't replace out for real? Like if you're town and don't want town to lose then replace out.

I promise I'm town. I already explained myself.

Replacing out in this position and let another player take this shit? I *think* that I have a better chance of making it through than if I replace out and the slot goes to the next person on the replacement list. There happens to be a replacement list, it's at the first post.

I am really hoping for my heart that Mollie is scum now; since she just said that she is blacklisting me. Like, it's a pseudo scum claim to me or something.

[Metal Sonic]

I mean, she's taking "Mollie is mean" to the next level. So I hope it's intentional to splay my "meta" read of her.

And I apologize again for the AtE. I was not sure how to respond, especially when Mollie's attacks were more emotional-based than logic based. I mean, pie guy just proven that none of her attacks were based on logic; he deftly shot down her accusations. Now she's insulting me and everything and threatening to blacklist, et cetera. If those aren't emotional attacks, I don't know what that is. I think she's pulling out all the stops here. I hope.

[Metal Sonic]

i'm pretty ok with rolling over and lynching MS on one condition: when he flips town, we flashlynch the fuck out of mollie tomorrow with no second thoughts

*if* he flips scum, i'm open to suggestions on what i should have to do. although keep in mind i'm not the only one in this slot so don't suggest anything too unreasonable!

massive scum points. I dont even need to tell you whats wrong with that post.

Why hte fuck should we flash wagon mollie here? Mollie isnt a god at reading metal. Shes pretty good but not well enough to make it that mislynch = death. only scum goes that way.

I don't like you giving scum points to my 2nd best friend. And he is helping me from mean Mollie.

(First place goes to you, but your lurking is damn )

[Metal Sonic]

Overall gut says MS not lynch for today due to laim but also partially because I don't see how anyone could be that despicable (fake replace outs like seriously that's so pathetic) but then again people strive to achieve new lows all the time.

Metal Sonic - yeah if you're town replacing out is better because if you're claim is true and town then anyone else has a better chance of handling it.

Is this still relevant? Seeing that you kindly spent your precious time to take a look at my past games, it's too late for me to do that.

I'm making an active choice to stay in the game, by the way. I've always had the option to replace out.

The reason why I had to PM listmods was to clarify rules. Whatever I was going to do afterwards was going to conftown my slot, and could be construed as a trust tell. That was why I retracted the replacement request upon realisation.

I didn't PM them about the game, I just asked a hypothetical question. I could've asked singer too, technically, but since she's actually /in/ the game... Better safe than sorry. Ergo, mollie's assertion that "They'd have to contact Ank first" did not apply.

I've always had the option to replace out. Nobody stopped me from doing

that.

But I took a look at whoever was on the replacement list -- Bellaphant and Tere and dragonspawn -- and I decided that it would be better for me to stay in the game. Not only would it be shitty for me to pass them a slot that's under pressure, but I also don't think that they would be able to stand up to all this as much as me. That's rich, coming from me, thinking they they are lynchbait. But yes.

I mean, just look at Bellaphant. Each and every of her posts want me to take a dayvig gun and shoot her right in the head, not mollie, not yukari, not bookitty. Every one of her posts are blood-red-scummy and the two reasons why I am not all over her at the moment. 1) Mollie is shiner than the shinest shiny shine piece of gold on earth 2) The cute penguin avatar

Additionally, this is a new piece of information:

oh btw, I don't mean to inject any more drama into this game, but I feel you all should be aware of this in advance so that you don't get blindsided by even more drama if/when it happens

I just checked the replacement list in the first post and, depending on how I feel, I will likely just ignore everything Tere posts if she replaces into this game. this is primarily because I absolutely detest her attitude. (hypothetically, if she had signed up before I did, I likely would not have joined the game.)

I like Tere, by the way. But there's stuff like this, and I think that Tere would just fall over from mollie's hounding, even after I've left the slot. Her posts are low-content and low frequency and it's detrimental in a game like this.

So, I chose to retract my replacement request, and I am making a choice not to replace out right now. I won't AtE anymore, I promise. I'm just going to shut out mollie because she is the cause of all of this. I hope that these were not mistakes.

If MS doesn't flip scum then Mollie dies, whether you want call it a "Lynch all AtE BS" or "Lynch all people who bring OOG nonsense into game" If you're good with that then let's have MS to L1, have him full claim his role. You good with that?

Also remember that emotions is the one thing I dislike having to deal with in a game. So that well, for this game, has run dry.

Meeeeeh. This is a sub-optimal strategy. I mean, it won't hurt, it has very positive effects on the gamestate, but we could actually lynch a better shot at scum (Bookitty) and do that roundabout way of clearing me.

If the situation is really dire, then I'm fine with this deal, really. Otherwise, let's look at better moves first. This can be a last resort.

MS, can you link the your recent scum games? Or the game you mentioned hydra-ing with Mollie? You have a lot of topics so I'm having trouble finding the scum ones. TIA.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=100&t=61168 This is my best *attempt* at scumplay that mollie has been raging about this whole game. Has 1000 posts, and is an isolated incident. I don't recommend you wasting your time on this.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=59399 This is my best successful scumgame. Perfect win, and a particularly strong town-team. No AtE, no bullshit, completely calm, cool, collected play.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=54597 2014 Game of the Year. Mollie refers to this a lot in this game as well. Once again, no AtE, no bullshit. I'm in the hydra Speedy Saki, but Saki rarely posted.

Pieguy has linked the game with me+mollie as a hydra. We played in another game (we have 2 hydra games in total), but the other one we died Day 1 (sound familiar to whatever is going to happen to me now?) and wasn't much of a memorable experience.





@pieguy I feel that ZZZX is town though. A lazy angle like "lining mislynches = scum" is something that I could see town-him doing, especially when he does not appear to be invested in the game.

[Metal Sonic]

Hydrangea is town.

[Metal Sonic]

just an fyi, mollies is the reason why tere came here in the first place

mollie was also the reason why I came here. Plus you, Andrius, Bookitty, and singer.

Anyway, Tere is V/LA right now. And pieguy appears to hate Tere for some reason, so.

Like I said, I'm town, but I'm giving up trying to convince you on this. If you're town, you're gamethrowing

again

, plain and simple. And you should know why I'm more angry about you than mollie right now.

[Metal Sonic]

I probably cannot answer that question, sorry.

[Metal Sonic]

I probably cannot answer that question, sorry.

Why not? Was it about replacing, rules clarification, both? Something else? Something just feels off about this, as if your story is a bit shifty for some reason.

It was rules clarification about replacing. I am being shifty here, correct, not to reveal too much information that might get me kicked out of here.

I don't think I can talk directly about moderator communications if it affects a game, even though I phrased it in such a way that it sounds like it isn't.

Singer, please clarify if I am correct, when you are back.

[Metal Sonic]

the above looks town. what the fuck am i to do now?

[Metal Sonic]

i am confused as all hell

relooked at bookitty's ISO, all of her posts looks scum except 713 that looks a *little* bit town but if i see it sideways it could be scum

let me consolidate

oh btw i have very strong town reads now, after 30 pages in the game yea

super town

elusive
white night imagination
grib
------------------------

town

zzzx
hydrangea
singer
ika
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Yukari
plum
frogging mollie
Bookitty
Bellaphant

lynch these

ok i seriously dont know what the hell is going in my head about yukari. maybe i am a sucker for disengagers cause most of the time when i catch scum, if they disengage first then (they are still scum) but i have a bad tendency to "re evaluate" and then let them free. anyway i believe their "honeypotting" excuse.

plum is just bullshitting a read on me. #707. and probably on everyone else. her reads seem very insincere. throughout the game plum's votes consistently involve "vote metal sonic" "unvote metal sonic" "vote metal sonic" "unvote metal sonic" like shes unsure whether to hop on the best opportunistic #1 wagon or not. and now without andy to sort her, her free pass is revoked

as for mollie, elusive says it best:

Stagnant reads is also scummy.

mollie's engagement in this game can literally be used as a textbook example of the above statement. 30 full pages of 0 content except "sonic is obvscum". no reads on any other players at all, nada, zero, only "Sonic is obvscum", "pieguy his defender is obvscum", "andy is leaning scum". why? donno.

somehow her loud yelling can build a wagon. obviously scum motivated wagon, the question is whether she is scum or not?

i hope she is, tbh. because if she says that she is going to blacklist me as town, then it will take effect. then i can join the cool kids.

bookitty's was obvscum except for #707 which makes me doubt but ugh this just feels like shit.


nobody is noticing bellaphant's EXTREME lack of contribution? thats expected, who would look at a cute penguin straddling across inconspicuously over all that loud noise mollie is making?



P-edit: i don't answer to you, not when you're on my wagon and i think you could be scum. only if elusive/WNI gives me the go-ahead

[Metal Sonic]

what the hell are you going to do? vote me? HA

maybe if someone else asked, but not from you, miss mafia theory.

[Metal Sonic]

Singer hasn't caught up, btw, so stop being full of shit about that

[Metal Sonic]

so um bookitty what are your thoughts about me voting you right now

[Metal Sonic]

you sound so smart





(im not at l-1)

[Metal Sonic]

724 is just weird

cannot read

[Metal Sonic]

Singer hasn't caught up, btw, so stop being full of shit about that

have you read the part where if singer caught up to its entirety that she would know what's going on?

bet you didnt

"flavor is irrelevant" is only said by scum or really bad town. the disclaimer is there to avoid game breaking by flavor.

im the main character, and im in the title of the game, and im in anky's avatar. i'm confirmed town.

anybody who uses "flavor is irrelevant" to discredit THAT (See: plum) is scum wanting a mislynch

[Metal Sonic]

I'll say that I've had multiple experiences with scum refusing to claim at L-1, including on Day 1.

I'm also had multiple experiences with town refusing to claim at L-1, including on Day 1.

so your statement is useless and is only purposeful to shine bad light

VOTE: plum

[Metal Sonic]

actually no

VOTE: bookitty

etl was crying "lynch me!" in twin trap but she was pulling too hard

i dont think lack of survivalism is a town tell any more

[Metal Sonic]

metal and I have a love/hate relationship; we love each other when we are both town but hate each other when we are of mixed alignment. metal LOVES playing scum and when scum!him is up against town!me cos it spoils his fun which is why he resorts to baiting me.

uh, no. i am not even baiting you at all. you began banging me page 2 when i was talking to andy and are being useless and noisy as all fuck for 30 whole pages. so that is a

lie

and you actually called me a shitty player and threatened to blacklist me so no, you dont give me any of that "love/hate" relationship thing.


the thing now is that, i dont care. i dont care what you think anymore cuz if you are scum then its fine, and if u are town i'll join nice pple on your blacklist so there is no problem.





and its fucking ridiculous how you are calling pieguy scum. he is conftown to me. cuz 1 year ago you would have done the same for me. and now you're calling him scum for defending me? nono, i think you are more likely scum tunneling than him scum WK-ing. nono.


so are you going to unvote me now or were you not actually planning on shelving it

[Metal Sonic]

like, im not even going to talk to you anymore. if i get lynched 1st thing i'll do is to look at spoilers and see if you are town or scum and act accordingly

[Metal Sonic]

like just take a look

3 pple in this game have played with me a lot and know me well:

{mollie, zzzx, pieguy}

2 are townreading me and 1 is just dumb tunnelling on me

guess who is the odd one out

[Metal Sonic]

Singer hasn't caught up, btw, so stop being full of shit about that

have you read the part where if singer caught up to its entirety that she would know what's going on?

bet you didnt

"flavor is irrelevant" is only said by scum or really bad town.

the disclaimer is there to avoid game breaking by flavor.

im the main character, and im in the title of the game, and im in anky's avatar.

i'm confirmed town.

anybody who uses "flavor is irrelevant" to discredit THAT (See: plum) is scum wanting a mislynch

wrt the bold: so if the disclaimer is there to avoid game breaking by flavour then can you walk me through again as to how exactly are you conftown given what you said in the prior?

i think it applies to all other characters that is not in the title in the game or in anky's avatar

[Metal Sonic]

Guess nobody cares to listen to us about ms for some reason.. sigh...

scum are hungry for a mislynch.

can you vote bookitty instead of sitting on zzzx thanks

[Metal Sonic]

its very easy


i die today,

then i venge you die tomorrow


not only that

if you are town, you are out. like srsly out.

if you are scum ur getting lynched anyway so meh


bet it ^ and i'll fullclaim

[Metal Sonic]

Also, can you firm up your read on Yukari? One issue I have with you is that you apparently thought I was scum but you asked me to vote with you on Yukari before the weekend. Now you're asking her to vote with you on me. So what is your read on her?

Yukari is crumbing something so obviously that if you guys dont see it you all are blind. scum also probably saw it already so i'm breaking the news here.

will not lynch yukari today.

[Metal Sonic]

its very easy


i die today,

then i venge you die tomorrow


not only that

if you are town, you are out. like srsly out.

if you are scum ur getting lynched anyway so meh


bet it ^ and i'll fullclaim

so

you were so unsure about the rules that you pmed the list mods hours in advance to ask something about replace outs no wait something about trust tells and then posted that you were replacing out anyways and the implication that you presented at the time was that you were in contact with 5 list mods and they talked you out of replacing or trust telling or whatever in the time frame it took to announce that you were replacing out and subsequent retraction?

I am just trying to keep it all straight.

whoops

uh, i pmed 5, i only got 1 reply.

i dont think they talked me out, more like "you cant do X" and i was going to do X and so "oh wait fuck" so retract.

[Metal Sonic]

Actually elusive, Metal Sonic, White Night Imagination, and ZZZX all get +3 suspicion points just for being on that wagon. Despite our slight scum read of boo, our reason wasn't to lynch but maybe pressure into talking upon their return. Every1 else on wagon gets suspicion due to the lynch seeming way too easy.

my lynch is also way too easy

do you want to vote bellaphant? i dont want to jump off the wagon then get eaten by tiger frogs.

[Metal Sonic]

Actually elusive, Metal Sonic, White Night Imagination, and ZZZX all get +3 suspicion points just for being on that wagon. Despite our slight scum read of boo, our reason wasn't to lynch but maybe pressure into talking upon their return. Every1 else on wagon gets suspicion due to the lynch seeming way too easy.

my lynch is also way too easy

do you want to vote bellaphant? i dont want to jump off the wagon then get eaten by tiger frogs.

You are here responding, boo wasn't.

so what? i have seen people be on 'v/la' and 'away' the whole game because they were scum. bookitty didnt even post v/la i dont think.

[Metal Sonic]

wait.


this game started 4 days ago only? what?!


never mind, forget i said that.

anyway, the times when bookitty was here, her posts were scummy. so thats why she is a scumlean to me. and thats why i am voting her

[Metal Sonic]

its very easy


i die today,

then i venge you die tomorrow


not only that

if you are town, you are out. like srsly out.

if you are scum ur getting lynched anyway so meh


bet it ^ and i'll fullclaim

pls refer to this whenever u ask me a question i refuse to answer anything more from you

[Metal Sonic]

do you want to vote bellaphant with me?

[Metal Sonic]

lurking is alignment indicative if the person hates scum.


obviously it doesnt work on people like me

but for example ika he lurks all the time as scum

[Metal Sonic]

btw:

if i am not tunneling on yukari, then bookitty is my best bet at scum. typical scumposting. pings quite hard, but a sample size of 1 post takes less precedence over yukari's constant pinging.



back to pushing scumyukari

[Metal Sonic]

Bookitty is my best bet at scum imagining yukari did not exist

[Metal Sonic]

That sort of indicates you thought we were scum together.

obviously, this intepretation is wrong, is what i'm saying.

[Metal Sonic]

Please stop asking about my communications with listmods until singer gives the clear. Thanks.

[Metal Sonic]

might actually clear you if you can be clear about them

See, this is great and all, but it may not be allowed.

[Metal Sonic]

Please stop this line of questioning. Whatever I would have done would have instantly conftowned my slot, and I don't mean "ori is a conftown team" that kind of farce conftown, but legitimately my slot would be universally townread and probably shot N1.

Wait till singer gets up to date, and she will give the orders.

[Metal Sonic]

its very easy


i die today,

then i venge you die tomorrow


not only that

if you are town, you are out. like srsly out.

if you are scum ur getting lynched anyway so meh


bet it ^ and i'll fullclaim

pls refer to this whenever u ask me a question i refuse to answer anything more from you

no more bets? then go away if u have nothing.

[Metal Sonic]

Oh, and for all you crazy meta readers out there, Yukari-scum NEVER promises to be town unless specifically asked to. So please, play with us and leave MS for us to sort d2. Look for other scum d1 and we will make more sense d2 if we survive the night. Though hopefully we do get nked just so we can go back to newbie game with regular matrix6 setup.

Tired of asking so won't do it again.

yukari, i have an important question for you.


if scum are strong and manage to lynch me today anyway, will you be able to "sort" someone different d2 instead of me? for example, mollie

[Metal Sonic]

Depends on how important the partner is. If the partner really sucks, and will look like he will die soon anyway, I will vote against him. If my partner looks like he can handle the stuff with a bit of help, then I won't vote against him.

Will you answer my question yukari? Or secret?

[Metal Sonic]

Also, this may or may not explain a lot about our playstyle, depending on things like your current state of mind: Our themesong: http://youtu.be/qbshYiVPWXA

i listen to this. i find it very disturbing

@ yukari thats okay if you must keep it secret. but then i think you have to work harder to not get me lynched today. i am at l-2 which is the same as bookitty now.

and bookitty just posted a bit of good-ish posts so ugh


i believe your town tell.

[Metal Sonic]

<3 singer thanks for being here!

I was being harassed by mollie whom I have the growing suspicion is a scum player. Her only argument against me at this point in time is the listmods angle, after pieguy demolished all of her previous baseless arguments that she had been pushing for 25 pages, and not only that but she insulted my towngame, called me a shitty player, and threatened to blacklist me in quick succession.

Please try to figure out a way to convey why and what it was you were trying to communicate that could be considered a trust tell after an official replacement request.

I sent 5 personalized PMs to 4 green names and 1 red name with the phrasing: "If I do X, is it allowed?"

I only received 1 reply which went along the lines of "No, (((generic))) X is not allowed, but you can do (((the very benign))) Y"

I was not interested in Y, and after realising that whatever X I was going to do fell under the scope of the mod's reply, I retracted it later for safety (and I didn't care to Y)


I'm sorry. The thought legitimately went through my head and I knew enough for it to be against the spirit of the game (scum would be disadvantaged!), but ugh.

And I do stop posting after I've posted a replacement for real, like if I really have to leave the game for whatever reason, usually activity-related issues though. But when I get invested in a game, such as this, I would not intentionally replace out, unless it would help my faction because I want them to win. I have a very low replacement rate and you can verify this; I don't replace out unless activity (or force replaced!).

I'm not sure if I can reveal X or Y; after doing so I suspect that I'd be pretty highly townread! So that falls under your issue there. So um. :/

[Metal Sonic]

Elusive offered up this option out of the blue which is scum motivated because it gets information to the rest of your team,

I was the first to point it out, by the way. I'm that

bad

insensitive guy who points out the elephant in the room.

Also, can you firm up your read on Yukari? One issue I have with you is that you apparently thought I was scum but you asked me to vote with you on Yukari before the weekend. Now you're asking her to vote with you on me. So what is your read on her?

Yukari is crumbing something so obviously that if you guys dont see it you all are blind. scum also probably saw it already so i'm breaking the news here.

will not lynch yukari today.

[Metal Sonic]

please don't call it a slayer's gambit, i hate the name

honeypotting is better.

[Metal Sonic]

i want to play with you. i like you yukari.

what is igo?

and are you good at chess?

i dont think talking about these stuff is appropriate since rvs is over and thats when i normally do this, but

after the game then.

[Metal Sonic]

I will post last words within 3 hours. I will fullclaim and give my reads, then Mollie dies tomorrow 100%

[Metal Sonic]

Pieguy I claim yeah?

[Metal Sonic]

I am Ori, a

Vanilla Townie Neighbor

. So I am a Vanilla Neighbor.

It is a three player neighborhood. My neighborhood contains ika and White Night Imagination. Hence, this explains my "sheeping ika" RVS comment that mollie was bitching so much about for 30 entire pages.

The neighborhood does not have daytalk. The neighborhood is locked, and currently consists of many posts by me, and a couple of posts by ika during pregame. Pieguy did not check in until after pregame. From this, I would infer that

scum probably do not have daytalk.

This is big news, as this means that newbies on the scumteam would be more obvious, and likely more isolated from the stronger players on their team.

I thought that ika had light towntelled in the neighborhood, so I was "sheeping ika" during RVS.

IF

my neighborhood contains scum,

it is most definitely ika.

I am absolutely confident that WNI is town. However, I am inclined to believe that my neighborhood contains 3 town, and do not recommend lynching ika unless necessary (caveat: ika is being absolute shit if he is town here. makes a good policy vig). Do not lynch WNI under any circumstances.

This is my most updated and recent reads list:

super town

elusive
white night imagination
grib
singersigner
------------------------

town

zzzx
hydrangea
ika
---------------------
Yukari
Bellaphant
plum
Bookitty
frogging mollie

scum

After reading pages 34 and 35, I'm more sure that mollie is scum rather than "wrong town".

LYNCH MOLLIE LYNCH MOLLIE LYNCH MOLLIE LYNCH MOLLIE LYNCH MOLLIE

VOTE: MOLLIE

[Metal Sonic]

Ironically, singer's replace out makes her town.


Bellaphant's #857 was pretty good, and she got a bit of townpoints. To push her above plum.

Plum could be town, but her posturing on my wagon makes her also possibly opportunistic scum.



I'm not sure if I forgot anything. I probably forgot something.



anyway

VOTE: mollie

lynch her tomorrow with extreme prejudice. don't listen to her bullshit, absolutely nothing at all, just clean swift naked votes to slay that beast frog.

the wagon can comprise of the following players (Grib, elusive, WNI, Yukari, ZZZX, Singer) + me and WE CAN GET A MOLLIE LYNCH TODAY


but probably just expunge her tomorrow

thanks and have a nice day

[Metal Sonic]

Yukari. I suggest you target one in this list {hydrangea, bellaphant, plum, ika}. whoever is your favourite.

[Metal Sonic]

lynch her tomorrow with extreme prejudice. don't listen to her bullshit, absolutely nothing at all, just clean swift naked votes to slay that beast frog.

remember this. all of you. no matter what mollie claims, she may claim cop, claim vig, claim doc, claim whatever, it will be 99% bullshit.

clean swift naked votes. promise me this

[Metal Sonic]

thats fine, you can help out by powerlynching mollie tomorrow

<3

[Metal Sonic]

its fine if im vt, my reads tend to be laser accurate anyway. elusive watched my stint in taylor swift. she can vouch, along with you.

so.

follow my reads and win the game confirmed.








no best town performance though

[Metal Sonic]

wanna move your vote to mollie? just for fun

[Metal Sonic]

^

[Metal Sonic]

UNVOTE:

oh I have words. I have many many words.

ya you have proven as much!

[Metal Sonic]

many words, little content


par for the course


p-edit well i posted too late

i am trying not to be mean here but i blame her for everything 100%

[Metal Sonic]

I think it would be a shame if you replaced out. You seem to have put a large effort into this game, would be a shame if you felt you had to leave that behind.

this is true, regardless of your alignment


therefore, i conclude that your replacement request is more fake than mine

[Metal Sonic]

the wagon can comprise of the following players (Grib, elusive, WNI, Yukari, ZZZX, Singer) + me and WE CAN GET A MOLLIE LYNCH TODAY

these are the candidates to join the award winning wagon.


i do not care much about what hydrangea or bookitty has said above^. so fluffy, so useless

[Metal Sonic]

many words, little content


par for the course


p-edit well i posted too late

i am trying not to be mean here but i blame her for everything 100%

posts like this are why I still think you are scum.

plz explain as to why you think we are scum.

cos you just look like desperate scum flailing like you have been doing this all game.

I think lynching you is the correct play here for reasons that have been stated.

i think you are scum because you are scumtunnelling me and being useless for what.. oh look! 35 pages.

just get lynched.

[Metal Sonic]

if mollie leaves i leav as well just an fyi.

i do not deney the fact we have neighborhood in fact i was hinting it heavly but i think the scum is sonic in our hood and i want him fucking gone

heres a logic thing for us all:

if ms claims that flavor is tied, woulndt WNI be a scum sicne they are the main portagonist?

i agree. but i did a bit more research, and they are actually good hearted in the end. so anky could spin it that way.

[Metal Sonic]

and you're retarded, you just outed pieguy's flavor. fucking idiot. how bad can you be.

[Metal Sonic]

if ms isnt gone im refusing to even post in that neigborhood even if mollie flips scum

wow!

i have no words

[Metal Sonic]

if ms isnt gone im refusing to even post in that neigborhood even if mollie flips scum

wow!

i have no words

i have found words:

ika, you are a dick if you do that. and i will hate you if that actually happens and you actually do that. i really will hate you.

[Metal Sonic]

- but can only see town pushing someone this hard for near on 30 - 40 pages because there is always a chance of someone flipping the other way and I don't think scum is as likely to take that kind of a risk as town would be. Cause if ms flips town the first person to be considered is the person who pushed the wagon the hardest (at least it is for me)

example 3. mollie scum - ms town
- I cannot see scum taking that much of a risk.

scum can push someone this hard for 30-40 pages because they dont have to really scumhunt. they dont have to give reads or analyse other players. just full out tunnel attack.

the problem is that she never expected so much resistance and pieguy to fight her on it and blow up the whole thing.


imagine if pieguy was not in this game. i would have been lynched already, and mollie (if scum) would get away scot free.

so, no.

it was a very good risk-reward. i even got to l-2. and with certain dumb pple who may defend her tomorrow with "oh its mollie town - metal town!", she can even escape.


i think your post is quite wrong. mollie is scum bullshitting and misrepping her way through.

[Metal Sonic]

MS, the neighborhood was pre-made? As in you didn't get to choose or anything?

This game is in a weird state right now.

its me - VT
pie - kuro (main antagonist of game)
MS - Ori (main character)

it was premade, its destabled during day and only open during night

confirming.

its me - Nir - VT
pie - kuro (main antagonist of game) - ?
MS - Ori (main character) - VT

our flavor was mod-confirmed in the hood.

[Metal Sonic]

elusive, vote mollie.


the trump card was me revealing the neighborhood. mollie lost 2 points upon that reveal "oh, sheeping ika during RVS IS SCUMMY" and "oh, pieguy is SCUM WITH "OBVSCUM" sonic!"

her failure to reevaluate at 40 pages confirms her as scum. you said it yourself. stagnant reads are scummy. this is the poster boy.

[Metal Sonic]

i wouldnt be surprised if its

MS- scum
pie - PR
me - vt

as the hood layout

i wouldnt be surprised if you defend mollie like a total bad even after i flip town

[Metal Sonic]

its literally poops like you that cause the neighborhood problem that mollie was talking about in a TOTALLY OFF TOPIC md thread

they create paranoia and people who cant play it right will just wanton lynch their hoodmates even if they are obvtown because "oh, 3 man neighborhoods, MUST contain scum"

i have seen hoods with 2 scum. i have seen hoods which are all clear town. nothing surprises me, and i was eager to get 3 of us as obvtown trusting each other so that we can win the game fast because we are all <experienced> players

but ika you dont fucking think

sigh

[Metal Sonic]

i wouldnt be surprised if its

MS- scum
pie - PR
me - vt

as the hood layout

i wouldnt be surprised if you defend mollie like a total bad even after i flip town

i wouldnt be surprised if you fail to ever realize how bad you are as a player

i wouldnt be surprised if you fail to realize that you're actually much worse than me and i can prove it.

[Metal Sonic]

its literally poops like you that cause the neighborhood problem that mollie was talking about in a TOTALLY OFF TOPIC md thread

they create paranoia and people who cant play it right will just wanton lynch their hoodmates even if they are obvtown because "oh, 3 man neighborhoods, MUST contain scum"

i have seen hoods with 2 scum. i have seen hoods which are all clear town. nothing surprises me, and i was eager to get 3 of us as obvtown trusting each other so that we can win the game fast because we are all <experienced> players

but ika you dont fucking think

sigh

your right, i dont think in games. you want to know why?

cus i have to think at my job and problem solve and deal with people every fucking day. i dont come to play maifa to think about things. i come to just let out all my hate and annoyances in a manner that is mafia.

you fail to even understand me at the most basic so dont be surprised when i take your talk for a grain of salt

i was very surprised when you began scumreading me... then now, not any more.

i'm sorry for not understanding you. but maybe you should find it funny how mollie was pushing how "metal was buddying to ika" like its the scummiest thing on earth.

[Metal Sonic]

cld you plz with sugar on top answer the yes or no question?

we can go from there!

yeah, I disagree. even if what MS did was buddying, (no offense) I don't really think ika has that much influence over anybody. like, I guess we have Grib following his read on you, but that is an extremely unusual circumstance and not something I'd expect to happen the majority of the time: it's more based on his experience with you as opposed to anything else, and thus he likely would not do anything similar with MS even if he town read him. and even then he had to keep saying over and over he was more than 100% sure this was your town game to get him to follow him on it

what I'm saying is, people aren't just going to follow ika because it's ika; you'll notice elusive and Grib and anyone else I'm missing pay attention to outside arguments the same way anyone else would and reevaluate their reads accordingly when necessary

and even if there *is* some kind of strategic advantage and I'm just not seeing it - I'm about 900% sure that in this case, it isn't what he was doing. this is for reasons I likely will not elaborate on unless it's convenient for me.

bro, when you're offered as policy lynch material in some games, i think that you're a really low priority target for buddying. seriously

[Metal Sonic]

thanks ika, for outing roles and helping scum narrow the nk pile. good work.

go to the cave sister and then spot the difference between the shadows that you see and what actually takes form.

metal fucked his team over in a big way. like huge.

to the fearless reader:

if you haven't noticed yet, Mollie is pulling out all the AtE in response to pressure on her

[Metal Sonic]

My theory is that scum flavor are boring lame side characters or sidekicks

[Metal Sonic]

i love you when you're scum, mollie.

instead of posting useful and boring nobody-wants-to-read scumhunting stuff when you're town,

over here you tell us fascinating stories that are completely unrelated to the game but are fun to read. makes good mafia theory stories for frogger too.

in your iso i can spy a lot of fairy tales that would make good bedtime stories for baby frogs.

for example: "the valiant battle of scum metal sonic!"

"plato's cave"

"mollie's incredible adventures"

"why neighborhoods are a bad role"

" fun with trust tells"

and so much more!

______

like guys, if you didnt notice that 2/3 of the above post was actually the story of "pieguy's dog days"

makes a fun 5 min read, though!

[Metal Sonic]

thanks ika, for outing roles and helping scum narrow the nk pile. good work.

go to the cave sister and then spot the difference between the shadows that you see and what actually takes form.

metal fucked his team over in a big way. like huge.

can you explain how I "fucked my team over in a big way?"


i want to hear another cool story!

[Metal Sonic]

mollie is NOT a complete idiot

she could fite

muffina

1v1

AS SCUM

@elusive: sweet tasty mollie scum meta for you

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

scum qt: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/eHRgPDt8sUSEb

it was pretty freaking painful.

I think I fucked up with night actions and I seem to always do this as scum on this site. I simply don't understand the rhythm here as scum.

I nearly cried when cephrir was nked.

it put me in a position where I was facing 10 town. <--- this isn't impossible I have done it before

but not with this timeframe. and not without help from the sk. (aegor )

I think scum were a bit underpowered, mebbe I am biased in that I think only a charismatic player can pull off a neighourhood. I am really not that charismatic. I am not adept at persuading people to go against their better judgment. like I am still trying to figure out how to convince town players to go against their bad judgment. <---- I am still pretty inept.

some day I will get it I hope.

I would have loved the sk role in this game omg.

thank you for the flavour borky <3

and thanks for modding the game! it had its fun pieces

if we lynch her today and she flips scum it will be an award winning wagon.

do a bit of swift pattern matching and count how many stories she had there and she has here. her MO is supreme tunneling, and talking bullshit and lying. also, she is capable of pulling the AtE too.




if she is scum, also, we will be able to perfect win. i promise. tons of clears will happen if we manage to get it.

[Metal Sonic]

i seen scum mollie twice only. she beat me in both games, i was hard townreading her. and FAILED.

in xenosaga, her team got exterminated and she was 1 scum vs 10 town... and she was the last to be lynched. she survived 5-6 mislynches.

in capcom, her team was overpowered as fuck and she won.


mollie is GOOD at SCUM and i wouldn't blame ika for townreading her. but i DO blame ika for being incorrigible and ignoring role-related info and even saying that if mollie flips scum he refuses to talk in the hood ???

the wagon can comprise of the following players (Grib, elusive,

WNI

,

Yukari

, ZZZX, DRAGONSPAWN) + me and WE CAN GET A MOLLIE LYNCH TODAY

these are the candidates to join the award winning wagon.

[Metal Sonic]

Kuro is the main antagonist but at the end of the game Kuro sacrifices itself to save the forest. So its a spoiler and plot twist.

However, again I'm having difficulty with the flavor is not equal to alignment argument. The sample role PM that Anakamius put up flavor does equal alignment but the game rules state the opposite. In either case, how does that info mean anything? A mod cannot lie that flavor is not equal to alignment.

Read.

[Metal Sonic]

i am at peace because i finally accepted that you are scum and not "wrong town humping sonic".

[Metal Sonic]

._____________________________________________.

[Metal Sonic]

Okay, Yukari, it was bad for you to claim. Because scum will NK you n1 (and then you can go back to playing simple matrix 6 setup...)

It was obvious that there was a vig in the game, because

Pool 2:
4) Mafia Bulletproof

Pool 3:
4) Mafia Bulletproof

There would be a confirmed vig in the game, because mafia needed a bulletproof. Vigs are the strongest role in mafia if you are a good scumhunter.

But yeah. problem solved.

lynch mollie today, if I'm wrong vig me tonight. then i will have a nice long chat with mollie in the dead thread.


thanks.

swift naked votes on mollie now.

[Metal Sonic]

@ms, how do you know we are in those two set ups? Also, to those previously scum reading yukari, what are your thoughts now?

I think you should read the first page more closely.

We have a couple of fixed roles.

Then there are 4 roles that are ? and will be rolled according to the pools.

Since two of the pools contain a mafia bulletproof, it implies that there is a vig within the fixed roles. I've always had this thought, but I don't really care who they are, as long as they shoot correctly.


I believe Yukari's vig claim, because it was unprompted, and I strongly doubt that they have the experience or strong logical flow to deduce what I have came up with above. If they are scum, either their scumbuddy told them this pre-game, or they are smarter than they look. Otherwise, scum-yukari wouldn't have known there was a vig in the game.

[Metal Sonic]

Yukari, if truthfully claiming, is playing against his win condition just to get back to matrix6, and leaving town down a PR after the night phase. This game is even more fucked now.

(frog)

Sadly, I agree with this.

I like how there was bitching from your slot about "playing too much to my win condition" though!

[Metal Sonic]

Yukari, I like you and I want to play with you outside of the game. Maybe after this game ends. We can have a game of chess or something.

[Metal Sonic]

MS, if there are no real baddies in the source story besides one who does good in the end and whom you're writing off as Town because of, not despite flavor, why are you surprised that the traditional sample VT PM isn't a baddie and is Town?

What do you mean by that? I don't understand.

My theory is that the scum's flavor are side characters that nobody remembers.

Is there something that I'm not being clear about?

[Metal Sonic]

MS, if there are no real baddies in the source story besides one who does good in the end and whom you're writing off as Town because of, not despite flavor, why are you surprised that the traditional sample VT PM isn't a baddie and is Town?

What do you mean by that? I don't understand.

My theory is that the scum's flavor are side characters that nobody remembers.

Is there something that I'm not being clear about?

You were like 'if flavor doesn't matter, why does the VT PM correspond to a good character'? But if none of the characters are real baddies, how could it be otherwise?

Also your so-called theory sucks and you should try to accept that.

No, elusive said that. My point is that I am town, and pieguy as Kuro is town too.

The note in the rules "Flavor is game irrelevant" is just there as a default. In no game ever did the mod admit "Flavor is game relevant", so it's there.


Anyway, I think that the mod made role+flavor+alignment all together manually. Not randomised. He could have swapped up stuff for a twist here and there, for example made Kuro town, but there are inherent biases in human sorting... which means that Ori will be town no matter what. For fuck sake, he's in Anky's avatar. Anky obviously likes Ori, and would hate to see him scum.


EVEN IF you don't believe this argument,

can you see that mollie's last stand against me is a flavor argument? She has no more points to hit me with.

If you're town, lynch her.