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Hi! I am playing civ with a friend but will catch up tomorrow!ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I still lurk on occasion or replace in to friends games/interesting setups.In post 445, Flubbernugget wrote:yooo I thought you were retired what's up dudeScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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This seems stilted not sure why.In post 446, MegAzumarill wrote:
My point is that this general scumminess of the posts isn't due to me being scum but rather that kind of post is from how I have been able to follow the game due to my V/LA. I recognize its not really possble to distinguish between the two.In post 383, Datisi wrote:
i would like to point out that this is not the case. it's not just about you being v/la and not following the game closely, my issue is that your post seemed like textbook scum who isn't active making a post that seems vaguely solvey but it's actually ~air~. i had this tell come up in a recent town game of mine, i can find the links later if needed, it is still fresh in my mind which is why i jumped when i saw the postIn post 382, MegAzumarill wrote:I would like to point out that the initial push on me is due to factor's outside of the game itself. (I.e. the distance from me to the game due to V/LA)
also i'm not sure i like this when the case on you isn't even just that one post but /shrug, i'll focus energy elsewhere in the meantime
Just try to focus on my posts from here on forward.
Also looking back at my general uneasiness with Alch it probably stems from similarities with my own scumplay, though I recognize it also is a viable playstyle as town.
I will be providing a thorough analysis of the game tomorrow so far in a bit.
Welcome to the game mathblade! Tis I, the day 1 mislim.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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VOTE: T3In post 447, T3 wrote:I don't see any reason why not to E-1 Flubber.
Policy til I am caught up.
Threatening to E-1 when a replacement comes in and denying town a chance to read me is scummy AFScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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In the game you linked I was scum and did a skim just enough to seem Townie so as to get footing wet.In post 451, Lukewarm wrote:So, I was just like checking to see if Math has had any games with T3, or if I was going to have to explain that T3 is T3.
Found one, was looking to see how T3 T3 was that game -- he was very T3 btw
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So, like, yeah Mathblade has seen T3 do things like this.
But, also, I saw Toog's response to the situation, and found it quite funny
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Soon as T3 claimed informed role cop he was getting shot n2 almost certainly. I reactioned a few times to confirm T3 rolecop then bam dead. I legit did not care what T3 was gonna say because he was gonna be dead.
In this one I am town and do not put up with shit like that. I want a chance to read and find scum.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Informed of a role cop*ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Looks like as of the latest VC there’s two wagonsIn post 406, tris wrote:i did go on to get the pagetop after that tho. anyway; here's a topless vote count
and, MegAzumarill is v/la till Sunaday
One on Flubber and one on Meg.
Still reading tomorrow but those of you who consider yourself “champions” (however you define it) of the wagon please summarize your cases. Then I can use that in my catch-up tomorrow.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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My intent is more that independent of T3’s alignment he shouldn’t do it. That’s what policy means. It’s a vote that is policy until I catch up and I want to be able to do so.
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Based on the post of votes in the VC it looks like a majority of votes on Flubber are RVS. By asking who is championing the wagon I can see if that theory is right or not. In other words who is willing to stake that their read is that important. (There’s also a corollary to this that follows but I don’t want to say it yet else it ruins the future expectations.)In post 463, Datisi wrote:hi mathblade!!
as the first vote on meg, i will answer thisIn post 457, MathBlade wrote:Still reading tomorrow but those of you who consider yourself “champions” (however you define it) of the wagon please summarize your cases. Then I can use that in my catch-up tomorrow.
i voted them because of post 284. they were v/la, they didn't post pretty much anything, and then they popped in with that post. it gave me the vibe of low-activity scum doing the ~bare minimum~ to appear townie, but not actually solving much of anything, because the post doesn't really say much of anything of value. i've had this "tell" come up in two recent games (can link if necessary) where there was a town player unable to post / low-posting, and they gave zero shits in appearing townie, and there was a scum player low-posting, and they gave an honest effort into doing to minimum to appear townie (i talked about this in 287 and 383).
now, i am fully aware it's possible that a townie vaguely skimmed the game and decided to throw something out, but. eh. to me, the act of "throwing something out after skimming" feels way more likely to come from scum who's more interested in keeping up the appearances of solving / not having the town turn on them while they're not posting, rather than town who's low on time and decided to throw *something* out to help, even though they admit to not being able to read closely. like, makes it feel like they're more concerned with looking like they're solving rather than actually correctly solving.
*however*, all of this may go in the garbage because flubber has been pretty scummy the whole game, and i was willing to write him off as loltownie, especially considering the wagon on him has been the one constant of this game so far. and then titus jumped in from the void to scream how flubber is locktown because she mindmelded with him on this one thing on like page 2 (420). this uh, made me paranoia a titus/flubber team (421), so would love your input there
(also while i'm here, something about flubber's "lol why we wagoning the v/la" post (425) rings very *very* wrong to me, but i can't consciously decide what it is, so idk.)
Assuming what you say is true about Titus defending Flubber (haven’t read yet) let’s look at the four options:
As to which it is I would need to read to be sure but I don’t think SvS because Titus is competent scum when she is and I don’t think she would turbo link herself to a buddy without a good strategic reason.
Flubber alignment v Titus alignment because phone posting
SvS >> covered already
SvT >> Possible. Titus’s town game from what I have seen recently has been crap. I don’t think she goes and defends Flubber without something spooking her.
TvS >> Titus would be trying to score some major Townie points here and goad people into miselimming Flubber.
TvT >> This would suggest that Flubber is being dogpiled by scum. I’d push exclusively on the wagon
I can’t answer which until I get there but it’s unlikely SvS like you’re thinking unless Flubber is some god tier scum power role.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Why?In post 465, Alchemist21 wrote:
I would move to Chaos too, I just have a preference for Flubber.In post 460, Lukewarm wrote:
I still prefer the Chaos flip, and feel like all of Dats, Ari, and Titus have voiced a scum read there, and honestly unsure why they all decided to jump to Meg over Chaos. But, I think that Meg also is looking like a scum flip, so not the end of the world I guess.In post 459, MathBlade wrote:My intent is more that independent of T3’s alignment he shouldn’t do it. That’s what policy means. It’s a vote that is policy until I catch up and I want to be able to do so.
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Agreed. I wish I could ask my prior self posted more than where. At this point it’s RVS, people get pushed for memes and typos and lolz.In post 29, Umlaut wrote:This is a really garbage reason for a push
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VOTE: Alchemist21[/b]In post 47, Alchemist21 wrote:No. He feels more like low-hanging fruit to me and I think both he and I were interested in seeing who else would push him for voting me. It was notable to me after the first 2 votes that the people voting Seanzie were people who know me, but 2 could just be a coincidence and I wanted to see if there would be a pattern and if anyone would try to pocket me along the way. I wanted to see how it played out a bit more but I think we're past that point now.
For what it's worth I don't think Umlaut was wrong on Flubber but there's another part of me that thinks Flubber could have been pushing Seanzie's bad reasoning in his own way and it strikes me as odd that Umlaut went for Flubber and didn't make any comment towards Seanzie.
What are your reads looking like so far?
Someone doesn’t have to mention a second player during pushing a first if it would dilute their case.
It would be like me saying “oh my god tris is scum because blah blah blah”
Then someone saying “But you didn’t mention anything about (player tris is pushing)”
So? That’s cart before the horse.
Kinda thinking chaos + Alchemist here.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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This post here is disgusting. At this point this is Umlaut’s wagon on Flubber not Lukewarm’s.In post 53, Aristeia wrote:
would you like me to join your wagon?In post 50, Lukewarm wrote:I think Seanzie's caginess is more likely to come from town then from scum.
I also think that Flubber's reaction to the caginess seems bad . I don't think that anyone would read Seanzie's post and actually think they were saying that posting=bad, and it was very obvious what he was actually saying.
VOTE: flubber
This also throws off VCA entirely later.
Gonna go with how there’s a lot of bad bullshit here, Flubber and Titus is probably TvT here. There’s enough just bad posturing here that I don’t think this hits scum.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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EbwopIn post 470, MathBlade wrote:
VOTE: Alchemist21In post 47, Alchemist21 wrote:No. He feels more like low-hanging fruit to me and I think both he and I were interested in seeing who else would push him for voting me. It was notable to me after the first 2 votes that the people voting Seanzie were people who know me, but 2 could just be a coincidence and I wanted to see if there would be a pattern and if anyone would try to pocket me along the way. I wanted to see how it played out a bit more but I think we're past that point now.
For what it's worth I don't think Umlaut was wrong on Flubber but there's another part of me that thinks Flubber could have been pushing Seanzie's bad reasoning in his own way and it strikes me as odd that Umlaut went for Flubber and didn't make any comment towards Seanzie.
What are your reads looking like so far?
Someone doesn’t have to mention a second player during pushing a first if it would dilute their case.
It would be like me saying “oh my god tris is scum because blah blah blah”
Then someone saying “But you didn’t mention anything about (player tris is pushing)”
So? That’s cart before the horse.
Kinda thinking chaos + Alchemist here.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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VOTE: Aristeia
This is just bad. “Hey Luke can I join your wagon?” Neither Luke nor the wagon holder does.
Datisti posts wordy words.
Aristeia joins the wagon.
How does a Townie if they wanna know if they can join the wagon not wait for the feedback asked? What is this?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Kinda getting chaos, alchemist, Aristeia vibes but I don’t think a hero solve on page two can be right.In post 71, ChaosOmega wrote:VOTE: Flubber
Do you get similar feelings from 26/30 by Flubber? If not, what makes them feel different?In post 57, T3 wrote:
This post is really terrible. It feels like scum taking an RVS interaction way too seriously.In post 42, Umlaut wrote:Why should I make any kind of post toward Seanzie? I read the thread, I saw Flubber joining a convenient wagon for disingenuous reasons, I voted him.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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So pretty much from this post alone Flubber is probably TvT.In post 74, Titus wrote:I actually mindmelded with Flubber but I take things very literally. So I am guessing that there's a tonal aspect to things.
I feel Umlaut flips scum here though.
VOTE: Umlaut
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Titus saw a bit of herself in Flubber and is reacting emotionally in the moment rather than a strategic play.
Which also makes her read on Umlaut likely utter garbage.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I think that if you had that idea you’d have pushed it rather than asking others about it.In post 114, Alchemist21 wrote:
What do you think of my idea that Seanzie may have been testing to see who would try defending/pocketing me?In post 112, Flubbernugget wrote:
so I don't think seanzie is literally scumreading someone for posting more. I think they're trying to manufacture a push and doing it poorly. so the only thing they could shade alchemist for was "posting". seems like I'm right too, because in elaborating, they're now saying things that are just...wrongIn post 36, Umlaut wrote:A non-ridiculous reading is "there is something in Alchemist's posts that Seanzie didn't like and he's being coy about what exactly" and not "posting = bad," and I have a hard time believing the latter is really what you thought he meant even for a second.
More votes on Flub plzScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Nice to see you too.In post 477, Titus wrote:
Gee thanks. Nice to see you too.In post 476, MathBlade wrote:
So pretty much from this post alone Flubber is probably TvT.In post 74, Titus wrote:I actually mindmelded with Flubber but I take things very literally. So I am guessing that there's a tonal aspect to things.
I feel Umlaut flips scum here though.
VOTE: Umlaut
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Titus saw a bit of herself in Flubber and is reacting emotionally in the moment rather than a strategic play.
Which also makes her read on Umlaut likely utter garbage.
Sorry I just woke up and probably could have wordsmithed that better but yeah that Umlaut vote is weird at best.
What do you make of my chaos/Alch/Aristeia theory?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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…In post 115, T3 wrote:
That's a 400iq strat that people don't do.In post 114, Alchemist21 wrote:
What do you think of my idea that Seanzie may have been testing to see who would try defending/pocketing me?In post 112, Flubbernugget wrote:
so I don't think seanzie is literally scumreading someone for posting more. I think they're trying to manufacture a push and doing it poorly. so the only thing they could shade alchemist for was "posting". seems like I'm right too, because in elaborating, they're now saying things that are just...wrongIn post 36, Umlaut wrote:A non-ridiculous reading is "there is something in Alchemist's posts that Seanzie didn't like and he's being coy about what exactly" and not "posting = bad," and I have a hard time believing the latter is really what you thought he meant even for a second.
More votes on Flub plz
After literally just losing to scum me where I did that strategy repeatedly.
Nope. People don’t do it. Not at all. Well thought out post. /sarcasm
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EwwwwIn post 117, Alchemist21 wrote:This has been on my mind a bit, but have mods recently started putting info like this in their rulesets? This was an oddly specific detail to include and if there’s a neighborhood it means there’s a guaranteed scum in there.
This is terrible VOTE: Alchemist21
We don’t know Jack. I mean if there’s three scum then this post likely tells the truth.
Maybe scum don’t have a PT and have a discord instead? I have played a smaller game where this was the case. Reading that in the OP made me think what if no scum have a PT at all and made me want to join to see if this is the case.
I see no protown reason to bring this up. At best you’re right and risk outing PRs but at worst you leave an improper impression as scum won’t likely correct you.
Pedit: I don’t care about momentum right now. I care about catching up and feeling the vibes.
When I am and if chaos has momentum still then I may but voting for someone simply because they have momentum poisons my read. My goal isn’t to end the day it’s to elim the most likely scum.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I have left a question for Tris about it to see what she says but I don’t like this setup spec out of nowhere.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Not any more it doesn’t. Assuming you’re town, you have just told scum there’s something to look for so there’s nothing to obfuscate unless you’re wrong. So I hereby say you’re wrong and there’s nothing to look for. Or you could have just let me continue my regular catch-up which sometimes buries things.In post 487, Titus wrote:Either, we end this day in a hurry or we use a lot of words to say nothing. Stuff needs to be obfuscated.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Why not? Normal rules are about what roles are in the games.In post 488, Datisi wrote:
for the record, don't think either of these things are within the realm or normalcy.In post 485, MathBlade wrote:Maybe scum don’t have a PT and have a discord instead? I have played a smaller game where this was the case. Reading that in the OP made me think what if no scum have a PT at all and made me want to join to see if this is the case.
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Normal_Game
Says nothing about whether scum have a PT or not.
And if we assume they do then the moderator telling us there is three scum isnt novel right?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Because a> I am townreading you right nowIn post 492, Titus wrote:
Why didn't you consider that I'm mindfucking you to look for things that don't exist so I have pointless content to engage with or I post while spamming to hide my partner's scumslip?In post 489, MathBlade wrote:
Not any more it doesn’t. Assuming you’re town, you have just told scum there’s something to look for so there’s nothing to obfuscate unless you’re wrong. So I hereby say you’re wrong and there’s nothing to look for. Or you could have just let me continue my regular catch-up which sometimes buries things.In post 487, Titus wrote:Either, we end this day in a hurry or we use a lot of words to say nothing. Stuff needs to be obfuscated.
Stuff needs to be obfuscated lmao.
I could also be sarcastic partially.
B> You can’t hide a slip because I always read everything in order so there’s no burying and you know this.
C> Meh you can be the queen of sarcasm for all I care. Take your throne miladyScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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If I was the mod, I wouldn’t answer any setup question publicly and asked the mod privately. Even if it’s as simple as it was posted two seconds ago to avoid interactions but I have asked tris this.In post 493, Datisi wrote:normal rules are also about the mechanics, and keeping the game standard. "btw scum have no pt lol" is a slap in the face to both of those, but we can ask.
@mod, is it possible that the main mafia team has no access to what the game would consider a pt?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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1>Because your reads so far seem to be emotionally based crap.In post 497, Titus wrote:Well, if you're townreading me, why don't you trust me that all my babies need protecting?
2> Just because you see something doesn’t mean scum will. Calling attention to something existing just makes scum hunt for it. Best to just not talk about it and hope it goes away.
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Looks like you’re playing the game through Datisi versus having your own reads.In post 166, Aristeia wrote:
well if you say soIn post 164, Datisi wrote:i actually got some townie pings from his posting upon his return. my mind completely skipped over 12 at first, so upon that elaboration, i can see town!flubber going mad at someone "lying" about their push.
opening his iso, don't think he looks *great* exactly, talking only about seanzie and nothing else isn't a great look, which is why i'm fine with him being on y-1 to see what happens and i'm not losing my mind over a possible quickhammer.
UNVOTE: Flubber
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That’s not how alts work.In post 172, T3 wrote:
I think that's part of the alt gimmick.In post 171, Lukewarm wrote:Datisis feels town to me.
Now that Flubber has explained more, I think their thought process seems genuine, even thought I disagree with their conclusions.
I am not liking that Aristeia keeps asking other people before she votes/unvotes, like she is absolving herself of her votes.
VOTE: Aristeia
If she wants to be read as town then she needs to be townie. I don’t try to meta hunt an alt. The purpose of an alt is to distance yourself from your prior play.
Why are you instantly going to alt though?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I think it’s horrible because if you’re scum and Datisi is bad boosting a bad Townie gets a lot of mileage and if you’re town we don’t get a chance to read you and your thoughts. Mafia is not a game to be done on the sidelines.In post 502, Aristeia wrote:
I don't think being deferential towards people whom you hold a high opinion of is a bad thing.In post 500, MathBlade wrote:Looks like you’re playing the game through Datisi versus having your own reads.
Mafia games tend to be more ego-driven, I like to be carried by people I trust.
It's just the way I am.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Then trust I will track your logic thenIn post 504, Titus wrote:In post 499, MathBlade wrote:
1>Because your reads so far seem to be emotionally based crap.In post 497, Titus wrote:Well, if you're townreading me, why don't you trust me that all my babies need protecting?
2> Just because you see something doesn’t mean scum will. Calling attention to something existing just makes scum hunt for it. Best to just not talk about it and hope it goes away.
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Hi. I think you’re scum care to convince me you’re not?
What if I'm a special little person who needs to be sure my logic is tracked?
Give me a bit of time to catch upScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Can you please put a non color version in a spoiler in the future? This is incredibly hard to read. I am guessing this is top to bottom.In post 184, Aristeia wrote:Close to My Heart: Datisi
Beneath the Sky: Lukewarm, Umlaut, Seanzie
Sea of Dreams: Gamma Emerald, Titus, T3
Waves upon the Shore: ChaosOmega, Meg
The Long Winding Road: Alchemist, Flubber, VultureScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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How about both of you quit alt hunting/outing and start/go back to scum hunting?In post 214, Gamma Emerald wrote:
I don’t think Aristeia is that personIn post 202, Titus wrote:
I had the same thought. I get the feeling Ari might need to give me a cookie.In post 171, Lukewarm wrote:Datisis feels town to me.
Now that Flubber has explained more, I think their thought process seems genuine, even thought I disagree with their conclusions.
I am not liking that Aristeia keeps asking other people before she votes/unvotes, like she is absolving herself of her votes.
VOTE: Aristeia
I think I’ve encountered Aristeia in the stream chat of a certain pink circular creature who may be just a little skinny
I think Aristeia is likely scum but trying to out them to get an advantage whatever your alignment is a jerk move.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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VOTE: chaos Time to join the “idiot” club because this Flubber wagon sucks.In post 230, Datisi wrote:VOTE: chaosomega
i cannot wait for us to yeet flubber today and he flips scum and then i look like an idiot tomorrow. anyway, 227 gives me bad vibes, kinda feels like scum nitpicking any miniscule thing just so they can stay on-wagon.
re flubber's 222 - i feel like there's been at least something that pinged me wrong on minimum half the slots here, that's why i said it. i could iso everyone and compile that, but... i don't feel like that's gonna be useful for me or anyone else.
flubber, do you have any townreads?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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And you still forget my slot lol.In post 250, Lukewarm wrote:I like Aristeia's response and read list.
UNVOTE:
Am back from my VLA, and will probably give the game a reread later tonight
atm, I am roughtly at Datisi, Umlaut, Gamma, Aristeia feeling like town
Flubber felt like scum, then wormed back to null again, but then was not a fan of the recent interaction with Titus. Similar to what Alchemist said, it felt like a pocket attempt coming from flubber
Titus is a hard player to read, and want to give her a closer look
T3 is T3
I have zero thoughts about: chaos, meg, vulture. Had to look at the playerlist to see who I was missing
I think you’re town though so it’s probably just derpageScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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That post really could be shorter.
Just a matter of if it’s town OMGUS or scum omgusScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Worth of note this is the first time Aristeia has conviction/pushes a read.In post 265, Aristeia wrote:He votes for Lukewarm and then,
His first two lines are explain-y, as in "this is what I'm actually trying to do", the point he's making is that he did nothing wrong.
I find that tends to come from people who are scum and disagree with the manner in which they get caught.
Because if Lukewarm is scum, why would he even bother explaining to Lukewarm what he's actually trying to do?
"If everyone is jumping off, why would I be so desperate as scum to keep on here? Wouldn't this draw attention to me as it has?"
This line is just wifom.
He's also looking at Lukewarm jumping off me, but if he actually believes Flubber to be scum, he should be much more interested in how Lukewarm started the Flubber wagon and then jumped off of it rather than the interaction with me.
I am pausing here because IRL stuff but this I need to think about in-depth.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Not what I said. I was posing a hypothetical.In post 514, Aristeia wrote:In post 505, MathBlade wrote:I think it’s horrible because if you’re scum and Datisi is bad boosting a bad Townie gets a lot of mileage and if you’re town we don’t get a chance to read you and your thoughts. Mafia is not a game to be done on the sidelines.
I think I've been fairly transparent about my thoughts on the game so far.
I like to support Datisi because he's a brilliant player and one that I townread.
I've played before with him and he instantly caught a scum and helped put the town on its way to winning quite handily.
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87222
Why do you think Datisi is a bad townie?
If you’re scum AND Datisi is a bad townie.
As scum there’s plenty of reasons to hide behind a townie. That’s the first that came to mind because of how I play scum sometimes.
Brilliance in the past is not an indicative of brilliance now or bad play or anything. That’s why you BoP good players but don’t sheep them directlyScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Again it’s not an accusation that’s a misrep.
I work in hypotheticals.
That’s what BoP means. If I assume Datisi is good town (I haven’t played with him in like ever) then I Burden of Proficiency him. That means if we don’t have scum by like day 3 then Datisi shoots up on my PoE regardless of it.
However I still form my own opinions and see where we do and don’t sync.
Just because someone is good doesn’t mean you clock out.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=73980In post 522, Gamma Emerald wrote:
This would be a shit move to pull imoIn post 485, MathBlade wrote:Maybe scum don’t have a PT and have a discord instead? I have played a smaller game where this was the case. Reading that in the OP made me think what if no scum have a PT at all and made me want to join to see if this is the case.
It’s really not. It just has to be planned for and balanced around.
Mafia is defined as an informed minority vs an informed majority.
In that game I was scum so I am weary of weird setups because I have seen them.
There’s nothing in the normal rules that I could find where scum have to have a PT.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Not seeing how that post 47 has to do with my predecessor potentially seeing who would defend/pocket you. Even if I grant everything in this post, you’re trying to see who pockets you along the way rather than my predecessor’s push.In post 527, Alchemist21 wrote:
I did push that idea in post 47In post 478, MathBlade wrote:
I think that if you had that idea you’d have pushed it rather than asking others about it.In post 114, Alchemist21 wrote:
What do you think of my idea that Seanzie may have been testing to see who would try defending/pocketing me?In post 112, Flubbernugget wrote:
so I don't think seanzie is literally scumreading someone for posting more. I think they're trying to manufacture a push and doing it poorly. so the only thing they could shade alchemist for was "posting". seems like I'm right too, because in elaborating, they're now saying things that are just...wrongIn post 36, Umlaut wrote:A non-ridiculous reading is "there is something in Alchemist's posts that Seanzie didn't like and he's being coy about what exactly" and not "posting = bad," and I have a hard time believing the latter is really what you thought he meant even for a second.
More votes on Flub plz
And if you had done it in 47 and I am misunderstanding why repeat the same question twice? What are you hoping to hunt by being repetitive?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Glad my paranoia is wrong then. So yeah probably looking at a mod reason for that first post for balance reasons.In post 530, tris wrote:In post 493, Datisi wrote:@mod, is it possible that the main mafia team has no access to what the game would consider a pt?that is not possible. mafia have a pt by virtue of being mafia.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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This is how I read what you wrote.In post 47, Alchemist21 wrote:No. He feels more like low-hanging fruit to me and I think both he and I were interested in seeing who else would push him for voting me. It was notable to me after the first 2 votes that the people voting Seanzie were people who know me, but 2 could just be a coincidence and I wanted to see if there would be a pattern and if anyone would try to pocket me along the way. I wanted to see how it played out a bit more but I think we're past that point now.
S feels like a miselim target. You think S and you wanted who would push S into voting for you.
You were trying to see who would pocket you along the way.
You think that play is not possible now.
This has nothing to do with how S seeing who would pocket/manipulate you but rather who would pocket/manipulate S.
And again if I am wrong here you said figuring this out was dead? Why bring up a dead horse?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Okay then how do you learn Flubber’s alignment by reviving questions you think impossible to push?In post 542, Alchemist21 wrote:
A better understanding of Flubber’s alignment.In post 539, MathBlade wrote:What are you hoping to hunt by being repetitive?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I never said it was.In post 545, Flubbernugget wrote:I don't think assuming scum has a pt is some massive slip
My main job as town is to consider all possible options. Having seen prior games where scum didn’t have a PT I didn’t want a potential mass claim situation where people “I am in a PT” “Me too” “Me three” then scum who didn’t have a PT goes “Now we know who to kill.”
I thrive off town making bad assumptions when scum so my goal here was to avoid bad assumptions.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Sorry for getting this wrong. I see it now. I still don’t like the repetitiveness without adding anything new but it’s not as bad as I thought.In post 547, Alchemist21 wrote:
No, this is where you’re wrong. I thought we both wanted to see who would vote S in defense of me, because S was pushing me. That’s where the idea of people trying to pocket me comes in.In post 543, MathBlade wrote:You think S and you wanted who would push S into voting for youScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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@DatisiIn post 278, Gamma Emerald wrote:1) idk if that’s even the right term tbh, what I’m saying is despite being more poetic-sounding, the contents of 195 feel just as game-relevant as anything else. To put it in a poetic perspective, we write our thoughts in the dirt, while Aristeia writes hers in the clouds.
2) because you and Menalque played in EISAL 2 on a hydra that was titled “a Gun and a Rose”, and you both weren’t in G&R V on your mains
3) Because I would figure you’d see where I’m coming from better.
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Can either of you tell me what kind of game this was so I can go to that forum or ideally provide a link? I feel I am losing some context here.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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+1 Lukewarm is anything but a lukewarm townreadIn post 283, Lukewarm wrote:
NoIn post 261, ChaosOmega wrote: Is my vote not a comment on what I think of the wagon?
Would you call scum "describing a reason why they scum read the person they are currently voting" as desperate? I didn't, and wouldn't. That is a strange interpretation of my words.If everyone is jumping off, why would I be so desperate as scum to keep on here? Wouldn't this draw attention to me as it has?
What does not feel natural to you? I said she did not have reads, and that was worrying to me. She gave a read list, and provided reasonings when asked.The jump on and off of Aristeia doesn't feel natural to me. Did you scumread her when you voted her in 171?
See, this is what I find strange about your response. One of the things that I said was bothering me was that you don't have reads out thereAs for other reads I have, Umlaut, Seanzie, Vulture, and Datisi for town, something about Gamma is pinging me, but I can't really put it into words, so I'm ignoring it for now, still think Flubber is scum, the push on Seanzie and his post about mindmelding w/ Titus reads phony.
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And you see me make that point. Apparently realize that you should put some reads out out, but then also don't realize that I had a point, and therefore valid reason to pressure you for reads?
There seems to me to be a bit of cognitive dissonance between the omgus voting me reaction (which when coming from town, I find normally comes from a place of feeling like the reasons the person is scum reading you are non-genuine), while also addressing my biggest concern about you in this way.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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In post 351, Datisi wrote:it was pretty obvious that t3 was trying to get out of having to say something about mech and i'm hmm at alchemist trying to force the issue >_>
i still wanna see the wall on my meta, though.
In almost every answer you “let scum go” in that case and good town knows it. The role will prove itself or then you come back later if someone claims and subtly ask T3 for his opinion. Mass claim early loses games here. Odds are scum just aren’t going to be that dumb with a fish. This is only done if you’re 99% sure that this comes from scum and sometimes not even then.In post 354, Alchemist21 wrote:
It’s the only acceptable answer he could have given, but to call attention to the post then try to sweep it under the rug instead of giving their thoughts looked more like scum going “shit I fucked up and this looks bad, let’s hope they forget about it and it goes away.”In post 351, Datisi wrote:it was pretty obvious that t3 was trying to get out of having to say something about mech and i'm hmm at alchemist trying to force the issue >_>
i still wanna see the wall on my meta, though.
I just have to figure out if you’re bad town or my initial vibes were right.
VOTE: Alchemist
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Having just been in a T3 game with T3 while admittedly didn’t look over a lot of their posts in that game after the “informed of rolecop post” I do get Calculasia vibes here. So I think T3 is town.In post 358, Gamma Emerald wrote:
I’ve seen T3!scum do something like this, I don’t think is itIn post 354, Alchemist21 wrote:
It’s the only acceptable answer he could have given, but to call attention to the post then try to sweep it under the rug instead of giving their thoughts looked more like scum going “shit I fucked up and this looks bad, let’s hope they forget about it and it goes away.”In post 351, Datisi wrote:it was pretty obvious that t3 was trying to get out of having to say something about mech and i'm hmm at alchemist trying to force the issue >_>
i still wanna see the wall on my meta, though.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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I am okay with this list with a tail end off for Titus because I will always be paranoid of her but she’s town enough today to not be the elim.In post 388, Titus wrote:
I'm ok withIn post 335, T3 wrote:After a meta skim on Datisi I'm comfortable locktowning him.
Datisti Gamma T3 Lukewarm Flubber all being town.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Lmao that’s gonna be some mind fuckery while reading considering I keep track of everyone as the first letter(s) of their handleIn post 554, Datisi wrote:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=81945In post 550, MathBlade wrote:
@DatisiIn post 278, Gamma Emerald wrote:1) idk if that’s even the right term tbh, what I’m saying is despite being more poetic-sounding, the contents of 195 feel just as game-relevant as anything else. To put it in a poetic perspective, we write our thoughts in the dirt, while Aristeia writes hers in the clouds.
2) because you and Menalque played in EISAL 2 on a hydra that was titled “a Gun and a Rose”, and you both weren’t in G&R V on your mains
3) Because I would figure you’d see where I’m coming from better.
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Can either of you tell me what kind of game this was so I can go to that forum or ideally provide a link? I feel I am losing some context here.
everything is still a lie 2, though i think the important part of that post was the fact that mena and i have hydra called "a gun and a rose", and in GnR5 there were two accounts called "gun" and "rose". and they weren't usScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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VOTE: ChaosIn post 400, Lukewarm wrote:
I think that we can make Chaos happen.In post 399, Titus wrote:
Relatable opinion. If there was a choice between those two, I'd see your point. It's Flubber v Meg though and a scum vote is better than a town one.In post 398, Lukewarm wrote:I have a strong preference to a Chaos > Meg elim day 1.
I think that they are both about equally scummy, but Meg having actually no opinions in thread means that we don't get any associatives from a Meg flip.
Datisi and Ari both voted Chaos already, and I have not seen anything from them to think that their reads there have changed.
You+me+Datisi+Ari is already the same number of people currently voting Meg, so that pivot seems to still be on the table from my pov
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I believe I addressed this earlier when you asked me to look at Titus v Flubber. There’s also something she is doing that is remarkably protown that I don’t want to ruin, even if she is scum she is working in town’s benefit. I think we will have to see what happens overnight to get a more firm read but I am okay with giving her a townread.In post 557, Datisi wrote:why is titus town?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Not really seeing this here. Titus is very much a strategic scum. If the wagon wasn’t going to go away she makes the play to save Flubber earlier or stomps scum Flubber into dirt. Scum Titus doesn’t like playing from a hand of weakness which is ironically a hand of weakness because if she is scum her strategy becomes clear.In post 421, Datisi wrote:if titus flips red this game, we're yeeting flubber, no questions asked. and i'm thinking of jumping the ship here and voting there now anyway. titus here gives me a huge vibe of "scum realizing the wagon on buddy isn't going away on its own, jumping into action to try to save them", especially as i know she loves trying to protect her partners.
my only issue is that i want to get a better read on meg first, and i know i won't be able to do that for a bit here... sad.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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My reasoning is more nuanced.In post 560, Datisi wrote:all i saw earlier was "titus has had bad reads so they can be tvt", i hadn't seen Actual Reasons for her to be town, but to be fair i have been skimming a lot too so
It’s I went through all the possible alignments then TvT is the only one that really makes the most sense. The others are probable.
My main other reason to townread her involves things we shouldn’t talk about so I guess because Star Wars?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Are possible*In post 562, MathBlade wrote:
My reasoning is more nuanced.In post 560, Datisi wrote:all i saw earlier was "titus has had bad reads so they can be tvt", i hadn't seen Actual Reasons for her to be town, but to be fair i have been skimming a lot too so
It’s I went through all the possible alignments then TvT is the only one that really makes the most sense. The others are probable.
My main other reason to townread her involves things we shouldn’t talk about so I guess because Star Wars?
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I am caught up now as of this post. I have game night tonight so I may not be online tonight.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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You realize I am a horrible Sophie when town right?In post 569, Titus wrote:
Parker can secure the prize.In post 567, Titus wrote:
Because Starwars is great. Long love the society. Especially an overjoyed run of making bread of sausages. Specially 10 leaves.In post 562, MathBlade wrote:My main other reason to townread her involves things we shouldn’t talk about so I guess because Star Wars?
Go be Sophie.
Ugh why couldn’t I be Hardison?
Let’s just hope I don’t fork this up.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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Besides Umlaut (who you’ve repeated is scum repeatedly) who do you have a scumread on and why?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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See here’s the situation I am in. Assume scum kill you tonight, then you have left nothing really tangible to go towards. If you’re flash wagoned right now (which I disagree with) your ISO is pretty lacking. You’re asking me to already play in a way more your style here and I am taking it on a leap of faith you’re not setting me up for failure here don’t make it hard for me.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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