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Post Post #2695 (isolation #400) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:39 am

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In post 386, Satoru Nakata wrote:VOTE: Robert M Hunter
In post 534, Satoru Nakata wrote:Nakata doesn’t think it matters very much if it wouldn’t tell us much if Robert does flip scum, and if he’s likely to be flipped at some point then Nakata thinks it might as well be today.
In post 801, Satoru Nakata wrote:Nakata doesn’t think that Robert is town for turning up and posting. Nakata thinks that he may be scum who’s buddies told him he needed to do more. Nakata dislikes the votes on him and thinks there’s scum in them.
In post 802, Satoru Nakata wrote:
In post 775, Morning Tweet wrote:VOTE: Nakata
In post 776, Morning Tweet wrote:
In post 746, Robert M Hunter wrote:Here's a read, clidd is scum who refuses to give up on an easy elimination that looks like it could come to fruition soon.
clidd was like your most vocal defender though?
In post 778, Morning Tweet wrote:
In post 741, Robert M Hunter wrote:Objectively there are no reasons to town read me that hold water.

But then, the reasons to scum read me seem very opportunistic. Why are players hung up scum-reading me into page 25 or so, because they pretend to be baffled that I didn't know that Datisi = Tanner? They are hanging on to this notion because they know I'm the easy player to eliminate because I work all day long and don't have the leisure to play all day and defend myself immediately, so that false accusations simmer.
so if the reasons to townread u are bad, and the reasons to scumread you are also bad

why are you suspecting either read over the other exactly?
Nakata thinks these posts are incongruent with Morning Tweet’s vote on him.
In post 779, Morning Tweet wrote:
In post 777, NorwegianboyEE wrote:What if we have a
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(Stares intently at some particular users)
bahhh How deep can a wolf possibly get during the first half of d1

i hav high hopes for this game

Robert tanner clidd townbloc go

im entertaining adding infini andor amy

edajjmndj gka
Nakata doesn’t like that Morning Tweet is trying to force a townbloc so early into the game. Nakata thinks trying to create townblocs is scummy.

VOTE: Morning Tweet
Nowhere does Nakata say he thought Robert was town and Tweetie was actually hard defending Robert for the most part and he did nothing to save him, which would be nai if he didn’t actually contradict himself later.

@Nakata, why do so many of your reads are based on who’s voting you and completely ignoring the reasoning behind it?
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Post Post #2696 (isolation #401) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:48 am

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In post 1173, Morning Tweet wrote:I have like actually kind of decent TRs on Amy, Robert, and Tanner

i have small gut townleans on clidd, Ydrasse, Norwe

I'm feeling kind of sympathetic to an Ircher elim
In post 1368, Morning Tweet wrote:
In post 1304, Tanner wrote:
In post 1215, Morning Tweet wrote:Maybe scum Robert got lucky or knew that those posts would reflect as townie, still seems a tad unlikely to me but im considering.
There is also clidd's point earlier this game where Robert illogically attacks Tanner out of the gate even though Tanner had townleaned him prior.
Yeah scum makes mistakes though
reading this reminded me that at the time robert attacked me, i was the most popular collective scumread. is it weird that at this point, i am close to wondering if robert has a post restriction where he's only able to attack whoever is currently the top wagon?
Oh. Hm. So that's at least three times now -- Tanner, Nakata, Ircher.
In post 1047, Tanner wrote:i have just spent a grand total of 45 seconds skimming robert's iso in this game, and i am back to really wanting to kill him. okay, thanks for listening.
What is it about that game that implies he's scum this game? Ah, it seems like he's trying harder in the beginning, I guess, with big reads posts and the like.

i dont think he's had that deep content this game but i suppose i grant more weight to Robert's wagon reaction than you do
Nakata completely misrepped Tweetie’s wrt to Robert. Nowhere was she ever considering voting him on D1.
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Post Post #2697 (isolation #402) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:54 am

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In post 2668, Satoru Nakata wrote:What exactly is the case against Nakata? Nakata was right that Robert was a friend! Remember that Morning Tweet wanted to lim Robert over Infinity on D1, where Nakata was calling Infinity scum.
This is so beyond blatantly false and Nakata is of course going to claim that it’s scummy for anyone to be sr him for saying untrue shit like this. :shifty:

Go ahead Nakata, prove me wrong here on any of this. Your ISO completely contradicts all of this.
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Post Post #2699 (isolation #403) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:09 am

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In post 2698, Ircher wrote:Do you think Nakata as scum would blatantly lie in the hopes that no one checks the fact?
Would Nakata as town do that?

He never tried to push Infinty elim and he never defended Robert, so how is this town indicative?
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Post Post #2704 (isolation #404) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:20 am

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And I have no meta on Nakata, so I have no idea what town or scum!him would do but I have see scum blatantly lie in games.

He really isn’t doing much to advance the game other than shade anyone who either expresses suspicion or votes him.

He did absolutely nothing D2 except for tr Clidd for a completely nai post. Other than tunneling on Tweetie, he has said absolutely nothing about either Infinity or Robert yesterday.

It’s strikes me as strange that he thinks anyone sr him is sus when he hasn’t done anything to really to solve. If the srs on him are wrong, he can fix that. I’ve been waiting to see something - anything at all, which would give me a good reason to tr him.

In my experience, scum tends to primarily focus on reads on themselves and very little or at least significantly less on other players.

And unlike Robert, I’ve seen from his towngames like Forest Fire and sf towngames that he is really obvtown and tries hard to solve, which we haven’t been seeing here yet.
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Post Post #2707 (isolation #405) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:24 am

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In post 2644, pj harvey dent wrote:
Votecount 2.5
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[6] Robert M Hunter:
Ydrasse, Tanner, Robert M Hunter, Ircher, clidd, PookyTheMagicalBear
HAMMER

[1] Satoru Nakata:
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[1] Flea The Magician:
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[1] Tanner:
Flea The Magician

[2] Not Voting:
Amy Dunne, Satoru Nakata

With 11 alive, it took 6 to sentence.

The deadline was (expired on 2021-07-17 20:00:50).


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Tweetie, I never said you did but Nakata specifically mentioned D1.
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Post Post #2719 (isolation #406) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:10 am

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Chara and especially Tweetie, how are you not locktown on Ydrasse, when she was instrumental in pushing Infinity wagon though. In what world does scum!Ydrasse ever do this?

Both Ydrasse and Pooky are extremely confident trs for me in this game.
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Post Post #2723 (isolation #407) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:19 am

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In post 2721, Yang wrote:Yang is an NPC. Yang does not have an alignment. Yang may have interests though.
Yang
, so there really are 3 factions outside of you and Yin then?
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Post Post #2727 (isolation #408) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:31 am

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In post 2724, Yang wrote:I will not tell you how many factions this game has. It has mafia though. Even though infinity and Robert were both town.
Infinity flipped Mafia, only Robert was town.

Why do you keep calling flipped scum, town?

Yang
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Post Post #2728 (isolation #409) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:32 am

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In post 2725, Chara wrote:
In post 2721, Yang wrote:Yang is an NPC. Yang does not have an alignment. Yang may have interests though.
this one seems like a legitimate answer.

Infinity being town is ? unless the game is bastard, which i don't think any of the Silent Star's have been. though i remember something about Hectic leading a player to believe they had a role that they didn't. i can't find the post.
Are you referring to Lunacy where all townies got werewolf pms?
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Post Post #2730 (isolation #410) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:37 am

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Yin
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Post Post #2743 (isolation #411) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:00 am

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In post 712, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I thought you said you knew how to read me >.>
In post 1098, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 1095, Amy Dunne wrote:I’m right about this, aren’t I Pooky?
I would definitely not put myself through that just to win a mafia game
In post 1116, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:cuz theres no need for me to manipulate her when nobody really suspects me to begin with since im so townie even Datisi thinks I'm good this game ^_^
Tweetie, Pooky is solid town. No way does he single me out to manipulate me like that. I don’t care what anyone else thinks. I’m not budging from this.
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Post Post #2744 (isolation #412) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:00 am

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In post 712, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I thought you said you knew how to read me >.>
In post 1098, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 1095, Amy Dunne wrote:I’m right about this, aren’t I Pooky?
I would definitely not put myself through that just to win a mafia game
In post 1116, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:cuz theres no need for me to manipulate her when nobody really suspects me to begin with since im so townie even Datisi thinks I'm good this game ^_^
Tweetie, Pooky is solid town. No way does he single me out to manipulate me like that. I don’t care what anyone else thinks. I’m not budging from this.
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Post Post #2745 (isolation #413) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:01 am

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How in the actual f did that double post even happen?
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Post Post #2747 (isolation #414) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:09 am

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In post 2746, Chara wrote:
In post 2737, Morning Tweet wrote:Amy, Tanner, Ydrasse, Chara, Flea, Ircher town

Pooky, clidd, Nakata suspects
Pooky lower than Flea?
Only way I even consider limming Pooky is in the almost impossible scenario of a Ydra/Pooky/me F3, which is obviously never happening anyway.
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Post Post #2751 (isolation #415) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:19 am

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Pooky said to me in discord that he wasn’t happy I replaced into the trust fall game where he was scum and I was town, because he really didn’t like having to fool me and he even adamantly refused to pair with me, which would have made his wincon so much easier than how he actually ended up winning. This is really frustrating to me because I’m not wrong on this.
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Post Post #2756 (isolation #416) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:34 am

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In post 2754, Morning Tweet wrote:
In post 2751, Amy Dunne wrote:Pooky said to me in discord that he wasn’t happy I replaced into the trust fall game where he was scum and I was town, because he really didn’t like having to fool me and he even adamantly refused to pair with me, which would have made his wincon so much easier than how he actually ended up winning. This is really frustrating to me because I’m not wrong on this.
Right but if Pooky is scum he still has to fool you whether he likes it or not. That's the game
In post 711, Amy Dunne wrote:
In post 710, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:Amy do you already know I'm town? :3
I only know that I am. You should be able to tell I am, do you?
In post 712, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I thought you said you knew how to read me >.>
In post 713, Amy Dunne wrote:
In post 712, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I thought you said you knew how to read me >.>
I think you are. I also think it’s beyond obvious we really can’t take what the NPAs say as dogma.
In post 714, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I mean don't you townread me independently of what the NPA says?

I am very townie
Essentially, you're saying Pooky wouldn't talk to you this way as scum. Like a "Can't you see I'm town? Look at me go I'm so town" tone. I understand why you read him town because of that, and I agree it's more towny than not. Would it be really easy to do as scum, yes, but I can see a world where scum Pooky wouldn't do that because he doesn't like actively singling you out to trick you. So perhaps.

It's also possible in my mind that Pooky could be the third faction where he can satisfy not having to trick you (since he's not exactly scum in that case), although we know nothing about the third faction so it's hard to say.
Yes, that’s EXACTLY what I’m saying. Scum!Pooky wouldn’t single me out like that. He isn’t FL who probably would lim his own mother. I’m telling you I KNOW Pooky wouldn’t do that to me. Plus there’s anti-partnery interactions with Infinity and he is usually either emotionally flat or almost menacing when scum. Here he is extremely upbeat - another towntell because he hates playing scum. He is also actively solving, reads uninformed and doesn’t have any agenda I can see.
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Post Post #2811 (isolation #417) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:22 pm

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In post 2796, Chara wrote:Amy has a methodology as town that's not hard to see after playing enough with her, the reaction to being pushed is part of it. but more than that is her hunting methods and what she bites vs. what she doesn't, her Pooky read and insistence is what prompted me to townread her initially. the emotional aspect of that is the crux of it. since then there hasn't been anything to make me doubt that she doesn't believe what she's saying.

also the energy + hyperposting is town her, and that specific quality of not budging on what she believes strongly but taking into account the reads of her townreads where she doesn't have a strong belief herself. she presents things like it's ridiculous you haven't seen it yourself already.
You pretty much nailed everything except the hyperposting thing. Activity is totally nai for me. In MD, I had the highest post count.
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Post Post #2840 (isolation #418) » Wed Jul 14, 2021 6:29 pm

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I’m sorry everyone, I’ve had the day from hell. I’m still onboard with Nakata lim. Will check in later.
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Post Post #3045 (isolation #419) » Sun Jul 18, 2021 11:06 am

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In post 2885, Hectic wrote:In the early hours of the morning, you find a small piece of parchment lying on the ground of the pit. You read it aloud as the other villagers gather around you.

Spoiler:
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You have all been deceived. The Imperials have no interest in justice, they only have interest in finding the most exceptional criminals to recruit to their Royal Army, and to make use of their criminal skills. You've been under the impression that you've been sentencing people to death. In reality, being sentenced means freedom from the pit.

You do not know who I am, but I ask that you please heed my words and do not let the Mayor find out. Sentence those amongst you who you think are the most good and deserving to leave, and then perhaps... we can break this system from the inside.


TRUE Win Conditions:

There are 4 mafia and 9 town in this game. Mafia win by sentencing all 4 of their members. Town win by sentencing 5 townies. Town are under the impression they should be sentencing mafia, but once two mafia have been sentenced, the true wincons will be revealed publicly. Mafia were aware of all this.
Holy shit. :lol:
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Post Post #3048 (isolation #420) » Sun Jul 18, 2021 11:07 am

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In post 2886, Hectic wrote:
Yin and Yang briefly discuss something. Yang walks over to Amy Dunne and whispers something to her.


Yang and Amy Dunne are now masons and share a PT. Amy Dunne is confirmed to be town and can no longer be sentenced.
But so was Ircher? *confuzzled*
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Post Post #3049 (isolation #421) » Sun Jul 18, 2021 11:15 am

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In post 2928, Ydrasse wrote:
In post 2919, Tanner wrote:
In post 2913, Ydrasse wrote:assuming scum did pick amy, what does that say about pooky's alignment

like she's been hard townreading him all game and i know she says that he wouldn't say/do the things he's done as scum to her but... imo he would entirely and beyond taking away an easy sentencing for town this feels like it benefits him more than anyone else
i totally could see scum!pooky doing that... amy was generally townread, no? maybe i'm bised because you were my strongest townread going into the night and if anything i'd expect you to be conftown'ed, but i'm probably biased by not townreading amy that strongly myself.
i think amy was one of the top townreads? i also think (and no offense amy i don't mean this meanly) she gets really stubborn on her reads sometimes which makes her a perfect candidate if her reads are good for scum.
I’m not wrong on Pooky. Have any of you even considered the possibility that one of the reasons I was confirmed was to frame him, because you absolutely should.
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Post Post #3051 (isolation #422) » Sun Jul 18, 2021 11:19 am

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In post 2932, Morning Tweet wrote:If Flea was supposed to be one of the scum who gets nominated in this phase... lol

It makes more sense for it to be Pooky/clidd/Chara
Before you all throw the baby out with the bathwater: Yin did tell us Infinity and Nakata were criminals, right?

Pooky was also on Robert wagon.
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Post Post #3053 (isolation #423) » Sun Jul 18, 2021 11:23 am

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In post 2933, Morning Tweet wrote:Unless they were tripling up on the "Play weird and get town to kill you" strategy for some reason, maybe to stop too many townies from getting limmed? Idk
Pooky was also on Ircher wagon. So he was onboard with voting out two slots that flipped town. Look at who was opposing Robert and Ircher wagons, because that’s clearly why Infinity and Nakata opposed their lims.
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Post Post #3056 (isolation #424) » Sun Jul 18, 2021 11:33 am

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In post 3052, Chara wrote:according to Yin, the criminals are Infinity/Nakata/Chara/Tanner.
Since Yin detonated Ircher to cause chaos I think primarily. Had he not done so, we would just lim outside of Tanner/Chara.

Not he may have been lying to us about who the criminals, or he may have just been partially lying. We have no way of knowing.

Ydrasee is my #1 tr by meta but scum wants us now to doubt her as well as Pooky. I still also hard tr Tweet. We need to lim 4 townies to win and no more mafia, so I think with those 3 we’re good.

Chara wanting to lim Nakata > Infinty doesn’t make a lot of sense if it’s scum, so who was most opposed to Ircher and Robert lims, that’s possibly where you might find scum.

Pooky was hardpushing for Ircher lim as was Tweetie and Pooky and Ydrasse were down with Robert.
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Post Post #3057 (isolation #425) » Sun Jul 18, 2021 11:35 am

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In post 3054, Chara wrote:
In post 2806, Yin wrote:
The clock... doesn't move.

"Don't like this sunlight."

The man isn't wearing his suit and top hat anymore. White is traded in for non-descript black. He isn't making a spectacle of himself here. The sun washes out the landscape and bleaches out the color.

"Something bad is happening in this city." She nods at him, but doesn't look as upset as he does. "Right, right. Keep the poker face up."

In post 2653, Morning Tweet wrote:
Yin
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Yes there is.
In post 2730, Amy Dunne wrote:
Yin
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All of them.
In post 2732, Ircher wrote:
@Yin:
Do you trust us?
You can only trust yourself.
In post 2793, Tanner wrote:
yin
, is there a criminal between clidd, Ydrasse, and Ircher?
The novel 1984 was published in the year 1949.
In post 2799, Chara wrote:
Yin
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George Orwell's real name was Ernest Arnold Blanche.
Yin answered Tweet's question but not Tanner's or mine. though i'm not counting mine because i accidentally asked the exact group Tweetie just did.
So, what is your take on that then?
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Post Post #3060 (isolation #426) » Sun Jul 18, 2021 11:38 am

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In post 3055, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:im actually thinking maybe flea is town because theres no way anyone picks flea to endgame over infinity
Why not? Flea is decent as scum.

Scum would have likely been opposed to both Ircher/Robert wagons, so whomever was hard opposed to both might be scum right?
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Post Post #3064 (isolation #427) » Sun Jul 18, 2021 11:42 am

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In post 2094, Hectic wrote:
Votecount 1.24
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[7] Infinity 324:
Tanner, Ydrasse, NorwegianboyEE, Amy Dunne, Ircher, Chara, clidd
HAMMER

[3] Ircher:
PookyTheMagicalBear, Robert M Hunter, Morning Tweet
[2] Satoru Nakata:
Infinity 324, Flea The Magician
[1] Morning Tweet:
Satoru Nakata

With 13 alive, it took 7 to sentence.

The deadline was (expired on 2021-07-07 18:10:20).


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Tweetie and Pooky are town for being on Ircher. I’m really kicking myself now for not hammering him. Oh well.
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Post Post #3067 (isolation #428) » Sun Jul 18, 2021 11:47 am

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In post 2644, pj harvey dent wrote:
Votecount 2.5
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[6] Robert M Hunter:
Ydrasse, Tanner, Robert M Hunter, Ircher, clidd, PookyTheMagicalBear
HAMMER

[1] Satoru Nakata:
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[1] Flea The Magician:
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[2] Not Voting:
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With 11 alive, it took 6 to sentence.

The deadline was (expired on 2021-07-17 20:00:50).


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Ydrasse and Tanner, Clidd, Pooky were on Robert.

It’s also possible scum could have tried to trick us, we should probably use play/meta/interactions as our most reliable tools.

I’m going to re-ISO Infinity and ISO Nakata.

But now we know why Infinity tunnelled Nakata so hard.
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Post Post #3068 (isolation #429) » Sun Jul 18, 2021 11:49 am

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In post 3061, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:i think infinity is better at deepwolfing than flea and most people in this game so if she decided to tank it should mean the two scum left are better at deepwolfing than she is.
But scum wincon here is comparible to Trust Fall, is it not?

Scum need to die, not endgame.
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Post Post #3069 (isolation #430) » Sun Jul 18, 2021 11:53 am

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In post 2891, Yin wrote:
The sunlight bakes the man in his underground casket. Its hot but his back remains cool. His eyes open and the sky is gone from their reflection. The sun leaves them red as he stares up at the shapes around him. The earth unwraps where it hadn't moved.

They blame the hatted man. He blames them- he steals the sun and they miss the moon, what little it does. Even her, even-

Put on a show for ingrates and see what you get. Even her even her
EVEN HER.


His skin crawls with heat. The pit in his stomach burns cold.

If they want a real show- the man has known his role since the first lie to the stars and moon trapped in her eyes.

His fingers snap.

DETONATE.

Yin
, why did you detonate Ircher? I thought you were a NPA?

Now I have a mason PT with Yang, also allegedly an NPA.

Maybe Yin and Yang are not in fact NPAs but maybe stumps and Hectic was actually lying to us about that?
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Post Post #3071 (isolation #431) » Sun Jul 18, 2021 11:57 am

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Hectic, have you been lying to us about Yin and Yang being NPAs and are they actually in fact stumps?
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Post Post #3077 (isolation #432) » Sun Jul 18, 2021 12:02 pm

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In post 3070, Chara wrote:
In post 3061, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:i think infinity is better at deepwolfing than flea and most people in this game so if she decided to tank it should mean the two scum left are better at deepwolfing than she is.
i don't know Infinity's scumgame at all, but Flea's scumgame isn't bad. that said, if it was the plan for fae to endgame, i don't think this is how fae does it at all.
but it's not 100% that the game actually went to plan for scum. it doesn't seem like Nakata at least was purposely tanking like Infinity was, his day 1 seemed to be normal solving and trying to look town. maybe he was intending to endgame and then had to be eliminated when it didn't work out.

GTH i would say Tanner/Ydrasse/me/either Pooky or clidd, but i'm worried i won't be able to be townread enough to offset the paranoia so i can't really count on being in the pool.Tweetie could absolutely still be town but part of my townread on her besides general energy level and vibes was her voting scum and her Robert townread. there was no reason for scum Tweetie to stick her neck out for Robert like that, but knowing that scum didn't want him eliminated and he was anyway she's the one i'm concerned about the most atm.
The sudden push on Pooky being scum worries me. I don’t see any reason for anyone’s read on him to have changed. I think Pooky!scum would be way too smart to IC me here, so I think scum frame up is possible.
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Post Post #3080 (isolation #433) » Sun Jul 18, 2021 12:10 pm

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In post 3076, Chara wrote:
In post 3069, Amy Dunne wrote:Maybe Yin and Yang are not in fact NPAs but maybe stumps and Hectic was actually lying to us about that?
it seems like they would have to be, since Yang is confirmed in a masonry with you and therefore town.
So I think Yin is possibly lying about only one of you/Tanner but not both. Why? Because if either of you flip mafia, we will be terrified to yeet the other.

My gut tells me that it’s you > Tanner. It’s a gut read. You don’t sound anything here like you did in Pokemon Battles.

I’m wary on limming Tanner.
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Post Post #3083 (isolation #434) » Sun Jul 18, 2021 12:17 pm

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I also think 2/4 scum were decided on to be obviously scummy and the remaining 2, were supposed to play very townie.

I can’t really explain why but I think Tanner could be mafia because I think Yin only named 3/4 scum. The other scum is amongst the non-criminals.

I just really tr Chara but I feel something may be off about Tanner.
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Post Post #3087 (isolation #435) » Sun Jul 18, 2021 12:21 pm

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In post 3081, Tanner wrote:
In post 3080, Amy Dunne wrote:I’m wary on limming Tanner.
why?
It’s a gut thing. I more tr you for being #1 on Infinity than anything else but I can’t explain it. Also your initial anger seems like it could have possibly be faked?

I just have really never confidently tr you in this game. Like in micro, you were so townie it hurt basically and I’m not feeling that for some reason.
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Post Post #3089 (isolation #436) » Sun Jul 18, 2021 12:26 pm

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In post 3086, Tanner wrote:why are we playing the wifom game of the npc who is literally confirmed to be scum-aligned and who it's been confirmed that he's been lying to us? like?

if something's off about me then say it, but the "yin named 3/4 scum" is an incredibly bad take.
No it isn’t because because if either you or Chara flips mafia, we are obviously not going ton yeet the other, which is why I think this.

Infinity and Nakata were really scummy and the remaining two have to play really townie and I just strongly tr Chara.

Like I could obviously be wrong but there’s suddenly a wagon on you, when we really ought to be taking our time here.

I think Ydrasse or Pooky are probably the safest lims, since I tr them the most.
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Post Post #3090 (isolation #437) » Sun Jul 18, 2021 12:29 pm

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In post 3088, Chara wrote:i townread Tanner more than i do Tweetie. Tanner was on Robert hard and i remember a lot of times this game where Tanner would make an emotionally-charged post that made me think yes, he really wants this elim and he's upset no one else is seeing it.

tbh i think this is the case for Tweetie too, i'm just thinking i really wanted to correctly townread her this time but that her play is also exactly what i'd think scum Tweetie would be doing this game. + it bothers me that she PoEd scum in clidd/me/Flea when that was also her bottom three before we knew the wincons.

taking away the "town feeling" from Tanner's posts i do still think he's felt very good this game, i don't know how to explain it better than that even though i did think the same thing about Tweetie earlier. she could also just be town who was correctly reading Robert, because... yes.
So you think Yin only named 2 scum? It’s possible, sorry if I’m wrong on you, @Tanner. It’s possible it’s totally meaningless but Yin had to anticipate after detonate, that we would thoroughly disbelieve his criminal theory, so that’s why I’m worried.
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Post Post #3095 (isolation #438) » Sun Jul 18, 2021 12:37 pm

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In post 563, Infinity 324 wrote:I don't really get the chara wagon, its thoughts are nuanced enough to not really want me to wagon it so early.

PEdit: I feel like there's a better explanation than robert was just making stuff up.
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Post Post #3096 (isolation #439) » Sun Jul 18, 2021 12:43 pm

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In post 3091, Tanner wrote:
In post 3089, Amy Dunne wrote:No it isn’t because because if either you or Chara flips mafia, we are obviously not going ton yeet the other, which is why I think this.
and if we're both town, then what? you yeet one, and think "well he must have named at least three", and there you go, a townie locked out. or an even better scenario (i know this is not the case, but from a townie's pov), if chara *does* flip mafia, you flip me right after because "no way he named all 4", and then you get fucked over if he did name all 4. it's literally nothing but wifom and you're falling right into it.
Whose though? It my theory, not scum’s.
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Post Post #3098 (isolation #440) » Sun Jul 18, 2021 12:48 pm

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In post 3093, Tanner wrote:
In post 3089, Amy Dunne wrote:Like I could obviously be wrong but there’s suddenly a wagon on you, when we really ought to be taking our time here.
what does the sudden wagon matter? if i'm scum, i have one partner. you think they could be influencing the wagon that much?
Idk but just that we need to approach this differently than usual.

We’re the people doing obvtown town things actually town or scum tricking us? That’s why play can possibly be misleading.

Both Infinty and Nakata were sussing Tweetie, which I initially considered clearing but both of them did that.
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Post Post #3099 (isolation #441) » Sun Jul 18, 2021 12:52 pm

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In post 3097, Tanner wrote:i'm trying to explain to you that building your theories around a confirmed scum-aligned liar npc in a silent star game is a terrible idea?
He’s a scum stump and yes, I could be wrong. Maybe it’s the sense I’ve had of you being angry or something all game. I can’t explain it, I’m just not feeling you town at a gut level rn, maybe that will change?
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Post Post #3101 (isolation #442) » Sun Jul 18, 2021 12:56 pm

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Tanner, here’s the thing, Chara hasn’t done anything to try to convince me, I’m just getting strong townpings from it’s posts. Like it’s Pooky read for example. I’m extremely confident on Pooky!town and I like Chara mindmelding with me on that.
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Post Post #3103 (isolation #443) » Sun Jul 18, 2021 1:05 pm

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In post 1071, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 1057, Ydrasse wrote:like you have a very ... strong reaction to being pushed on no offence but if you seemed viable at the time (and i think you were before you actually started interacting with him) i understand why a scum!satoru would go for it before realizing.
Ydrassee <3 you're so much better at wording it than me
Looks like a pocket.
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Post Post #3104 (isolation #444) » Sun Jul 18, 2021 1:08 pm

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In post 3102, Tanner wrote:That's not my problem here. My problem is that you're using very faulty logic to arrive at "there must be scum within Tanner/Chara".
I’m not wedded to this theory but you’re trying extemely hard to convince me I’m wrong. Considering that if you’re town and we need to yeet 4 townies, why is it so important that I be convinced of this rn?
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Post Post #3106 (isolation #445) » Sun Jul 18, 2021 1:20 pm

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In post 2355, Yin wrote:
"Have you ever been to Paris? There's something about the place... not the location, but the dreams the people bring there."

The man's silk hat is back on his head. The moon is not visible tonight, but the sky glitters with stars.

"Its silly. It's a city like any other. But at night... the lights..." He exhales with a dreamy sigh.
"Pity what's going to happen. Wish I was as oblivious as the rest."

In post 2165, Robert M Hunter wrote:
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Is there a criminal within Flea/Nakata/Pooky?
Yes there is.
In post 2166, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
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Is there an odd number of criminals inside of Morning/clidd/Pooky?
Theres an even number.

In post 2171, Flea The Magician wrote:
@YinHow many scum were voting Infinity in the last vote count of D1?
No one can speak to the dead!
In post 2224, Amy Dunne wrote:
Yin
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Yes you have.
In post 2310, Morning Tweet wrote:
Yin
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Birds are really fish in diguise.
In post 2236, Yang wrote:I bid you all adieu, until Yin shows up again probably because his avatar is cute.
Captured in her eyes.
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Post Post #3108 (isolation #446) » Sun Jul 18, 2021 1:26 pm

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In post 3105, Tanner wrote:because you're confirmed town and our margin of error is very slim. i know that, if you're not convinced on me, then you have to get all the other 4 correctly before both scum. those are significantly worse odds.

if you're wondering why i'm talking about this *right now*, because it's past 2am and i'm tired as shit, but i'm not going to bed yet and i wanna participate in the game while i'm here, but the only thing i have the brain for right now is responding to my own name.
I still think Ydrasse and Pooky are town, so that would leave just 2 more within Chara/Flea/you/Tweetie/Clidd, so rn, I’m just trying to wrap my head around this twist. We don’t have to figure it out tonight.
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Post Post #3109 (isolation #447) » Sun Jul 18, 2021 1:29 pm

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In post 3107, Tanner wrote:why are you quoting that?
Yin said there was an even number of scum between Clidd, Tweetie, Pooky to Pooky’s question, so I’m wondering now if it’s still useful or not.
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Post Post #3111 (isolation #448) » Sun Jul 18, 2021 1:46 pm

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In post 3110, Tanner wrote:considering that the current list of criminals is nakata/infinity/tanner/chara, i don't see how that's useful?
Yin obviously contradicted himself with that.
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Post Post #3303 (isolation #449) » Mon Jul 19, 2021 1:12 pm

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In post 3112, Ydrasse wrote:if yin is contradicting himself and lying i don't think we should care about the criminal thing anymore like. at this point we have no reason to reckon that it's helpful when he Killed A Confirmed Townie. basing reads on it and reaching conclusions of "one of x/y" using it as a hallmark seems really dumb and i'm sorry if that's mean but it's true
Maybe yes, maybe no but It won’t be my primary sorting method. Dw, you didn’t hurt my feelings or anything but I have my own system- which is always in a state of progress- for figuring out the game. People should take anything I tin foil with a grain of salt.

The nature of this game, makes having accurate reads challenging, so any theory that helps, I won’t outright dismiss.
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Post Post #3304 (isolation #450) » Mon Jul 19, 2021 1:24 pm

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In post 3160, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 3113, Tanner wrote:i really wish i could keep my mouth shut here, but... he didn't, zero is an even number.

he's still blatantly lied about there being 3 factions and you should ignore him, but uh, yeah.
There is town, there is scum, there's the Yin/Yang. 3 factions. It's semantics.
I was thinking that the 3 factions could incorporate that. I’m still shocked that Yin was allowed to detonate Ircher.
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Post Post #3305 (isolation #451) » Mon Jul 19, 2021 1:48 pm

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I’m onboard with Ydrasse, Pooky first/second.

If anyone’s interactions with Infinity are clearly antipartnery, it’s Pooky.
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Post Post #3307 (isolation #452) » Mon Jul 19, 2021 1:57 pm

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I’m lowkey kind’ve wondering why Tweetie wasn’t IC’d instead of me, because I haven’t been doing as much.
I’m feeling kind’ve of frustrated with Ydrasse for totally dismissing my theory because I’m not 100% confident in wroting it off just yet. That doesn’t however change my read on her.
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Post Post #3308 (isolation #453) » Mon Jul 19, 2021 1:59 pm

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In post 3306, Yang wrote:Remember when I tried to protect the mafia from your votings

And you didn't listen to me
Yang
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Post Post #3309 (isolation #454) » Mon Jul 19, 2021 2:03 pm

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VOTE: Ydrasse
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Post Post #3316 (isolation #455) » Mon Jul 19, 2021 2:26 pm

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Can anyone explain to me why Chara is scum because it sounds here? It’s play here reads
very much like its play in FL v Hectic and nothing at all like in Pokemon Battles.

Well at least I’m getting listened to on my Pooky locktown read.

Fwiw @Flea, I doubt Yin laid out the entire mafia team. Scum designated two of their members to sentence, so I think either both Tanner/Chara are town or just one of them. If only one is town, I still feel the best aboutChara.

Yin also told Pooky that there were an even number of scum in Pooky/Clidd/Tweetie, which contradicts his Tanner/Chara reads.

My theory and (feel free to call this “dumb” Ydra - I really don’t believe it is ) - is there is possibly one scum from each group, Pooky excluded.

So, one scum in Tweetie/Clidd and one in Tanner/Chara.

I’m not wedded to this but I really think it’s extremely silly to outright dismiss it. If this is totally wrong, then browbeat me post-game.

Wifom isn’t complete meaningless.

People should seriously think what it means, that everyone but me thinks Chara is scum. I’m also not convinced on Clidd!scum either. Infinity’s ISO looks somewhat antipartnery for Clidd and then Nakata kept trying to tie him to him but my read on Clidd is not very strong. I think at least one town between Tweetie/Clidd.
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Post Post #3319 (isolation #456) » Mon Jul 19, 2021 2:30 pm

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In post 3314, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:that doesn't reduce my fear any more dear >.>
Unless Ydrasse’s scumgame has dramatically changed, she tends to do this weird hedgey thing as scum. Remember Waltz? Scum!Ydrasse has trouble maintaining believable conviction.
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Post Post #3333 (isolation #457) » Mon Jul 19, 2021 2:43 pm

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In post 3317, Ydrasse wrote:i cant skulk away into the night

i really think that tanner is town that's my strongest read and i know that like, amy has some doubts but i really think he should be next. it will also give context finally to the criminal thing and since i think he's gonna flip town it should help people recalibrate from the criminal stuff, do mt next after him and then from there hopefully people will have posted enough to have ironed out the final townie who will probably be like you or flea
I’m extremely confident on both you and Pooky and I’m unsure on everyone else. I want to tr Tweetie and she might be town but both flipped scum pushed her, which I would probably see as clearing normally but in this setup it’s concerning.

I will have plenty to say about the VCA tomorrow.

A lot of my theorizing is based on what I’d do here as scum because if there ever was a game where wifom matters, it’s hands down, this one.

I actually did play a game somewhat comparable to this as scum but a lot lot lot less insane. :lol:
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Post Post #3334 (isolation #458) » Mon Jul 19, 2021 2:48 pm

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In post 3329, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I'm not doubting Tanner I'm doubting you.

and unvoting doesn't change the vote situation anyway?
Can you explain why, because I’m the exact opposite.

I also think I’m better at reading Ydra than you. You were also paranoing on her in Royalty too.
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Post Post #3335 (isolation #459) » Mon Jul 19, 2021 2:56 pm

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In post 3323, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:im paranoiaing off the charts right now that ydrasse is flipping red and trying to set up Tanner to be her fall guy
When both Yydra and Pooky flip town, hopefully people will trust my confidence isn’t misplaced.
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Post Post #3337 (isolation #460) » Mon Jul 19, 2021 3:08 pm

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In post 2400, Yang wrote:Flea should be the next elimination. Fae is part of an informed minority. I'm afraid fae wants banish me back to the demon world.
In post 2410, Yang wrote:Flea is mafia fae recommended me the wrong dessert for me after my evening meal
In post 2461, Yang wrote:Punish Flea for faer crimes
In post 2482, Yang wrote:INFINITY IS OBVTOWN
In post 2676, Yang wrote:Chara is mafia
In post 2715, Yang wrote:We're eliminating clidd today.
I wonder if Yang is telling us that Ydra, Flea, Chara and Clidd are all town?

And her saying she “hates Tanner” and then me for liking him is nai.

Yang didn’t want us to lim Infinty. At the time it of course seemed whack but I’m wondering if she’s just giving the opposite of her actual reads?
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Post Post #3338 (isolation #461) » Mon Jul 19, 2021 3:12 pm

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In post 3336, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 3334, Amy Dunne wrote:Can you explain why, because I’m the exact opposite.

I also think I’m better at reading Ydra than you. You were also paranoing on her in Royalty too.
you're probably right my reads on ydra have been consistently bad
I read her correctly in Royalty, me v Titus, and Happy Face. I paranoid on her in FL v Hectic. Menagerie doesn’t count because it was my first time playing with her.
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Post Post #3391 (isolation #462) » Mon Jul 19, 2021 5:38 pm

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UNVOTE:

I’m torn between voting Pooky and wanting to keep him around to help solve this game.
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Post Post #3407 (isolation #463) » Mon Jul 19, 2021 5:57 pm

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Pooky is locktown but I still think tvt. Her interactions with Infinty don’t sound partnery but like Pooky, the revel has me questioning everything.
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Post Post #3408 (isolation #464) » Mon Jul 19, 2021 6:04 pm

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In post 1373, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 1362, Morning Tweet wrote:
In post 1359, Infinity 324 wrote:I don't know what ircher's doing but I don't see a scum motivation
Do you see a town one?
Townies are weird sometimes

@clidd Is there something you're most interested in? I might do a readslist later but I'm lazy and I might not
In post 1374, Ydrasse wrote:VOTE: infinity

infinity i love you but don't be lazy my god
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Post Post #3409 (isolation #465) » Mon Jul 19, 2021 6:07 pm

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Anyone who 100% can’t tell this is bleeding obvtown!Pooky, I honestly don’t know what you’re smoking.
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Post Post #3411 (isolation #466) » Mon Jul 19, 2021 6:24 pm

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In post 3410, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:like I just thought about what I'd be doing as scum and it's definitely not trying to keep Ydra!town from leaving.

because

If I am scum, all I have to do is get my partner out of this hellhole and I can probably win 1v1 against anyone here in the endgame
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for Ydrasse.

She is Amy's #1 townread, I'm #2, it makes absolutely 0 sense for me to keep her in the game to potentially kick my ass at the endgame when I can just let her walk out of the game and look good for it.
Actually you’re #1 rn but her reaction to you is very different than to Hectic’s in Waltz. Scum!Ydrasse tends to get extremely nervous when pushed and she didn’t seem nervous to me.

So I think you’re probably wrong. In fact scum!Ydrasse tends to make a lot of scummy looking cases, so her play here seems consistent with what I recall of her towngames.

I also don’t think scum!Ydrasse would hardpush Infinity wagon so hard if she were informed because she would have to know how it would look on reveal.

I also think scum!Ydrasse would be more likely to push Nakata because if you re-read Infinity ISO, she looked like she was hard trying to get Nakata limmed and Nakata also wanted to keep Infinty alive longer. Also her Infinity progression didn’t just come out of left field, so I still think tvt.
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Post Post #3412 (isolation #467) » Mon Jul 19, 2021 7:15 pm

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@Pooky my theory is that scum kind’ve needed to be playing 3 D chess prior to reveal, or at least 2/4. Look townie but look good post-reveal.

I think that’s what you maybe overlooking.

Remember scum knew about the reveal, so I think you need to totally flip the way your reading this.

Think Pooky, scum would absolutely want to look like they’re pushing town not scum. I know if I’m scum here, I never hardpush a scum wagon or hard defend a scummy townie.

If I’m scum here, I want to hardpush a miselim on a scummy townie and be on a scumwagon but not be positively gleeful the way Ydrasse was.

Iow, Ydrasse was doing all of the wrong things in this setup to be tr, which is probably why she’s very likely town here and why I have the exact opposite take on Ydrasse/Tanner that you do. 2/4 scum were absolutely playing for reveal. Scum!Ydrasse would absolutely have anticipated those kinds of arguments being used against her. Like for scum!her to hard ram Infinty wagon through the way she did is seriously dumb if you think about it.
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Post Post #3413 (isolation #468) » Mon Jul 19, 2021 7:26 pm

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In post 3395, Ydrasse wrote:
In post 3393, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 3389, Ydrasse wrote:
In post 3387, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 3380, Ydrasse wrote:you only need one person to trust you in trust fall

in this game you’re trying to get everyone to trust you and your partner more than the towniest people, and i’m gonna assume you’re not partnered with mt/tanner, so like of course you don’t get to play this setup like trust fall? what?
In Trust Fall as well as this game, the only thing the scum have to do is make sure the bottom 2 least trusted people are town.

I don't have to make anyone doubt you to win, I can just target the LHFs in this town if I am scum. For example, Clidd/Chara/Flea are all easier targets for scum!me than you. Even if you assume one of them is my partner, I can simply target the other two.
oh your partner is chara
Kind of having trouble believing you believe any of what you're saying to me at this point.
i don’t believe that it’s tanner/mt/probably not flea

you don’t bus anyways and you can’t at this point so clidds out

i think that it’s an easy conclusion to reach
I think both of you are probably right about Tweetie.
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Post Post #3424 (isolation #469) » Tue Jul 20, 2021 4:58 am

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In post 3423, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 3421, Chara wrote:
In post 3417, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 3310, Tanner wrote:can we not vote the people who townread me out first please :/

also uhh. was busy with other things tonight. definitely doing stuff soon still.
Almost like it's scuppering your chance of winning ain't it. You're suddenly more desperate to get out of here.

Pull up a spike, we're staying.
not to be Like That, but Tanner's blatant "please vote me out asap" is kind've +town for me. i'm already confident in that read but i'm trying to imagine scum Tanner thinking it's a good idea to make this post.
How is it? How is it remotely a good post?
That is scum 100%.
What I don’t understand why Tanner is in such a damn hurry to be sentenced here? We have 5 townies to choose from excludng me, so why is Tanner so eager to be eliminated first?

I’m okay with any of Pooky, Tweetie, Ydrasse but I agree with Pooky that this day shouldn’t be rushed by my reasoning is probably different. I want to gets as much possible info from the various VC’s as possible.
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Post Post #3425 (isolation #470) » Tue Jul 20, 2021 5:00 am

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In post 3418, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 3316, Amy Dunne wrote:Yin also told Pooky that there were an even number of scum in Pooky/Clidd/Tweetie, which contradicts his Tanner/Chara reads.
0 is an even number technically.
Right, good catch then.
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Post Post #3426 (isolation #471) » Tue Jul 20, 2021 5:08 am

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In post 3420, Chara wrote:
In post 3410, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:like I just thought about what I'd be doing as scum and it's definitely not trying to keep Ydra!town from leaving.

because

If I am scum, all I have to do is get my partner out of this hellhole and I can probably win 1v1 against anyone here in the endgame
except
for Ydrasse.

She is Amy's #1 townread, I'm #2, it makes absolutely 0 sense for me to keep her in the game to potentially kick my ass at the endgame when I can just let her walk out of the game and look good for it.
Ydrasse's arguments here don't seem purely logical as much as she's being attacked
and it makes sense for her attacker to be scum
. like yes, i agree with you it doesn't make a lot of sense for you to pick this fight as scum, but i don't think she's the type (or is in the mindset to right now) to look at this from the objective outsider view right in the moment rather than "Pooky is pushing me and i'm town, therefore he's scum".

but a lot of this comes from, i really don't think scum Ydrasse takes the angles she's taken this game as scum? i don't want to be like, i'm not saying she's done anything i'd find actually objectionable as scum, but early game when she was arguing for Ircher town and i voted Ircher because of a joke Norwee made, she was genuinely upset because she thought i was voting him just to spite her or something. i don't think she decides to just fake that feeling as scum. it's the same with her interactions with Robert.
i don't know Ydrasse so well as a player as much as as a person, but when i have seen her as scum she very much didn't wear her heart on her sleeve like that. she's not incapable of AtEing as scum but it had a very different feeling to it.
I’m starting to have doubts on you now Chara because of this - not for your Ydra defense but for your Pooky shade, so rn I’m thinking Flea is probably not only town but may possibly be in this game, what Drusilla was to Menagerie.

I’m starting to think Flea may be right and we should listen to fae.
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Post Post #3427 (isolation #472) » Tue Jul 20, 2021 5:12 am

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In post 3085, clidd wrote:VOTE: Morning Tweet
In post 3094, clidd wrote:VOTE: Ydrasse
In post 3415, clidd wrote:Occasionally I have decent reads that are inexplicable to the point where it looks like tmi, so /shrug.

Also:

VOTE: PookyTheMagicalBear

Looking more towny in the last pages.
I’m also starting to think Clidd is probably town. He’s voted for not one, not two but for three players I tr now. Kind’ve a bizarre strategy if he’s scum.
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Post Post #3430 (isolation #473) » Tue Jul 20, 2021 5:28 am

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In post 3403, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:like you keep attributing bad motivations towards me and claim that scum!me would actually come after town!you this early in the endgame.

it makes no sense.

I am a very strategic player as scum. I do not target people that are top tier townreads, I target LHFs that are easy to isolate. Especially in a Trust Fall style game where you are trying to "remove" townies.
My take is Ydra is likely being pocketed.

Having rolled scum with her, I don’t think scum!her hard rams infinity lim through, knowing about the reveal. She is much to savy as scum to make it that obvious.

I think tvt and you need to reread this game with the understanding that scum was not only trying to get two of their own limmed, they were also playing to look good in the reveal. I actually not convinced that Tanner pushed Robert that hard as town. If I’m scum here that’s what I would do, to look good post reveal. Which is also why I think you’re wrong about Ydrasse. She wasn’t trying to look good for reveal and I think she would absolutely do that as scum and hard ramming Infinity wagon through the way she did, looks terrible opticswise, which is why I sincerely doubt scum!Ydrasse does that.
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Post Post #3434 (isolation #474) » Tue Jul 20, 2021 5:38 am

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In post 3428, Chara wrote:i'm... not calling Pooky scum there? i'm talking about Ydrasse's perspective, if i thought Pooky was scum for any of that i would have said so. i think his work here is towny actually.
Okay then, you could still be town but the only reason I hard tr Tanner was because he was first on Infinity wagon but that isn’t town indicative due to reveal.

I’ve never ever played with scum!Datisi but I’ve never been really suspicious of him in any of my games where he’s been town and at a gut level, I am very suspicious of him here. It’s of course possible I’m wrong but him being so hellbent on being the first one sentenced or not wanting us to lim Ydrasse because she’s tr him, just worry me.

I think as long as we lim Pooky, Tweetie Ydrasse in whatever order then find one of the two ast townies - probably Flea, is safest, we’re likely to win this. I think Infinty’s ISO with Clidd reads somewhat antipartnery but with three town out, we’re in an extremely good position.

I feel very confident that all three of Pooky, Tweetie, Ydrasse are town here.
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Post Post #3439 (isolation #475) » Tue Jul 20, 2021 5:48 am

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In post 3431, Ydrasse wrote:you think who’s pocketing me, tanner??
Possibly Chara as well? Idk but if you’re tr scum, why wouldn’t they be pocketing you?

Tanner is just too eager to be first lim and like in Trust Fall, why is town!him in such a rush? So rn I’m thinking Pooky, you, Tweetie, Flea are most likely to be town. Still unsure between Clidd and Chara. He just seems extremely desperate to be limmed and I am not convinced as Pooky apparently is that his push on Robert is town indicative, specifically because of the reveal. And also recall how Nakata easily got onboard with that as well.

The best way for scum to play this, is to hardpush a miselim and the two surviving scum get tr for it post-reveal. Nakata tried to push Tweetie, me and you but as we know now, not Infinity and I think both scum probably townspewed Tweetie.
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Post Post #3441 (isolation #476) » Tue Jul 20, 2021 5:52 am

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In post 3436, Chara wrote:i just don't think Tanner is scum. this seems ridiculous to me. he's one of the few reads i'm actually confident in rn, and i'm not confident in a whole lot at the moment. i can see why he's nervous. he's expected he can get out of this game, he doesn't want to be the reason for the loss, he's highly townread, but this Yin criminal thing keeps getting brought up as evidence and he knows it's wrong, and i know it's wrong. i don't know Datisi that well, but i absolutely know the feeling of feeling like you're being incorrectly read as rown and the game is about to get 10x harder. his play here is so reminiscent of Chara's Folly, i thought it at the beginning and it's only gotten stronger, right down to the spiralling of confidence right at the end. and unless the team is exactly Tanner/clidd i also don't see why he goes back and finds reason to defend him, either. which i guess is possible? it's not a reason i think Tanner is town, it's just something to note i guess.

point being i don't think scum Tanner does this. i think he's highly townread, he's happy with the status quo, he doesn't make multiple posts about wanting to be sentenced asap.

pedit: i would be okay with Pooky or Ydrasse today, if we aren't doing Tanner.

pedit x2: :<
What is your issue with Tweetie? Why is she scum?
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Post Post #3447 (isolation #477) » Tue Jul 20, 2021 6:01 am

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In post 3440, Ydrasse wrote:
In post 3437, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 3433, Ydrasse wrote:i’m willing to be open to you being town but last night it felt like you were trying to sink me out of necessity. it’s wifom how you would handle being scum but it also just frustrated me so yeah. if you want to pow wow i’m not 100% (let’s go migraines not going away wooooo) but i’ll try to be less *hand wave*
ok but you should recognize I don't have any necessity to sink you.

I only need to keep
one
townie behind to win if I'm scum. I wouldn't target the highest UTR, that makes honestly no sense as a play to me, especially one who is a top townread of the IC.

That's not wifom to me, that's just playing the game correctly.

Amy knows because she has seen me play trust fall, my entire game plan was making people not trust Jake the Wolf and trying to get the "obvtown" people paired off early.

I'm not stupid enough to attack you as scum unless
I have no other choice
and when i was replying my viewpoint was that your partner was potentially getting iced out; even if you get through you still needed to make room for them and one option is to create doubt because even if amy thinks something you still need a wagon blah blah. in my head it was like, pooky is doing these weird things and he’s trying to get support now on his not-townread partner to get them voted in today while he can or something by taking down the cred of me
When I was in tm game, Pooky (my teammate) laid out something very similar in our team Discord of why he was so sure FL and not Norwee was scum. I think the difference here is that he’s not taking into account that scum was playing both to get two of their own limmed but to also look good post-reveal. I could of course possibly be wrong on Tanner but that’s probably what I would do as scum here, so his reasons for tr Tanner based on that are nia and he’s not recognizing that it looks really bad for you to have rammed Infinity wagon through, which why I seriously doubt scum!you would do this. Besides you don’t give me any suspicious vibes like you did in both FL v Hectic and Menagerie, so I think he’s wrong because I was also hard tr both of you by play.
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Post Post #3452 (isolation #478) » Tue Jul 20, 2021 6:06 am

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In post 3443, Ydrasse wrote:before anyone goes “NO RUSHING” i am not trying to rush here but amy, could you pick either me or pooky to leave today? if you townread us both and think we are tvt i’d rather have it settled so it doesn’t eat up everything, i’m not sold on pooky being locktown but i’ll vote him if you’re absolutely confident
Yes I am absolutely but I’m still trying to decide which order: Pooky, you, Tweetie is the most optimal. I 100% want you three to leave one after the other and if Tanner is scum, it might not matter because all three of you tr him but I think getting all you out first is what’s most optimal. Then probably Flea last, since I’m kind’ve mindmelding with faer.
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Post Post #3457 (isolation #479) » Tue Jul 20, 2021 6:15 am

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In post 3450, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 3446, Ydrasse wrote:will you at least give me some good faith and work with me through things?
sure, I'm willing to work with you on everything : )

besides this is just first impressions I have through the first 50ish pages of D1 on my re-read, I haven't even touched D2/D3 yet.

I really do hope I will feel better about you and besides I will always defer to Amy in the final choice anyway.
I would be paranoing on Ydrasse if I thought she was actually scum here. As I said, the way she hard rammed Infinity wagon through doesn’t really make a lot of sense if she’s informed about the reveal. I wouldn’t think scum!Ydrasse would want to be that obvious about hardpushing Infinity here as scum. Because Nakata or even Ircher might have possibly gone through instead. If I’m scum, I want to be on Nakata or Infinity wagon but not be super obvious about it as Ydrasse was. I don’t really think scum cared that much which one of Nakata, Ircher, Infinity was first eliminated tbh.

Nakata is most ideal, which was why Infinity was hard pushing that but Ircher flip also gives them towncred post-reveal but the wagon primarily went through because of Ydrasse and Norwee. I think Ircher or Nakata might have been limmed otherwise.
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Post Post #3461 (isolation #480) » Tue Jul 20, 2021 6:19 am

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In post 3453, Chara wrote:
In post 3441, Amy Dunne wrote:What is your issue with Tweetie? Why is she scum?
with Tweetie i was pinged by how she entered the day, she fit exactly what i would've expected scum in the townblock to do: not make waves, try and keep her place, and not really reevaluate. i know she said she hasn't had time yet and that her reads are based on non-associative things but that's not really good enough for me until i actually see it.
Pooky on the other hand did want to reset and seems to be actively doing so, and Tanner is also doing that in spite of wanting to be out of the game asap, though not to the same degree Pooky has.

i've only reread Tweetie's day 1 so far, she spent basically all of it hardpushing Ircher, and i don't believe she voted Infinity though she was fine with her going through. i want to say that all the time spent on Ircher is -scum for Tweetie, especially because his day 1 posting was suspicious, but when Ircher was about to go through she ended up stalling by waiting for Yin to answer more questions. i don't know about this because it's still a big risk, she had no guarantee that Ircher would actually not go through even if she did stall, and the most substantial facet of her day 1 play is the Ircher push. in between there is some Infinity defending before she finally comes around to Infy scum. the interactions with Nakata are also rather anti-partnery, i think?
I’m confused by this. You read Tweetie’s interactions with Nakata as “anti-partnery”? Then why do you scumread her? *confuzzled*
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Post Post #3462 (isolation #481) » Tue Jul 20, 2021 6:21 am

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In post 2885, Hectic wrote:In the early hours of the morning, you find a small piece of parchment lying on the ground of the pit. You read it aloud as the other villagers gather around you.

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You have all been deceived. The Imperials have no interest in justice, they only have interest in finding the most exceptional criminals to recruit to their Royal Army, and to make use of their criminal skills. You've been under the impression that you've been sentencing people to death. In reality, being sentenced means freedom from the pit.

You do not know who I am, but I ask that you please heed my words and do not let the Mayor find out. Sentence those amongst you who you think are the most good and deserving to leave, and then perhaps... we can break this system from the inside.


TRUE Win Conditions:

There are 4 mafia and 9 town in this game. Mafia win by sentencing all 4 of their members. Town win by sentencing 5 townies. Town are under the impression they should be sentencing mafia, but once two mafia have been sentenced, the true wincons will be revealed publicly. Mafia were aware of all this.
Oh right, we actually need 5 not 4. :oops:
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Post Post #3464 (isolation #482) » Tue Jul 20, 2021 6:22 am

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In post 3454, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:Amy, if I don't leave it's the same thing as if I leave, if you are willing to let me leave as the 5th townie out.

If I leave now, you have to find 4 townies after I'm gone.

If I stay and help you find 4 townies first, I can then leave after the 4th townie is out and it'd be the same thing as if I left first except I'll be around to help you find the first 4.
In post 3458, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:oh yea I guess I read our victory condition wrong if we only need 4 to win >.>
No you’re correct, I’m wrong. :lol:
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Post Post #3465 (isolation #483) » Tue Jul 20, 2021 6:24 am

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In post 3460, Chara wrote:
In post 2885, Hectic wrote:There are 4 mafia and 9 town in this game. Mafia win by sentencing all 4 of their members. Town win by sentencing 5 townies. Town are under the impression they should be sentencing mafia, but once two mafia have been sentenced, the true wincons will be revealed publicly. Mafia were aware of all this.
mafia 4, that's all the members, and town 5 townies. we already sentenced Robert, so we only need 4 now. that's why i've been saying Robert's sentencing is a big deal, especially re: clidd. and also you but i think you're town anyway.
Oh no, Chara and me are right and Pooky’s wrong because of Robert. D’oh.
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Post Post #3469 (isolation #484) » Tue Jul 20, 2021 6:32 am

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In post 3448, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I really don't think Tanner was thinking about his endgame victory condition when he was pushing Robert hard, I've re-read nearly all of Day 1 now and he feels to me like very geniunely invested in yeeting Robert straight out of the game because he geniunely believes Robert to be scum and he's pulling his hair out mad that people are against him like a wall and he doesn't know why.

I really don't think Tanner is capable of faking that much fustration or deep conviction in yeeting a someone that is LHF town when the victory condition for scum is to keep the LHF towns in this game until the second half of the game.
Yeah but scum also need towncred for reveal and they obviously aren’t going to try to run up a consensus tr. I can’t tell you what Tanner would do here but if I’m scum, I would try very hard to miselim one lhf for towncred here along with of course two of my buddies. That way, I’m in an extremely good place to be sentenced based on that. Would you agree with that?

Here’s the thing Pooky, I’m not completely sure I believe in that conviction. You saw me hardpush djstr right and he even popped out of dead thread to hard defend me.
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Post Post #3474 (isolation #485) » Tue Jul 20, 2021 6:37 am

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In post 3466, Chara wrote:i do think Tweetie and Nakata's interactions don't look like partners, but i'm not trusting just that, especially when i'm not that great at looking at partner interactions in that way in the first place. but i'm taking it into account for sure. overall Tweetie's day 1 does make me doubt this, but then the stalling for Yin right when Ircher was going to be eliminated just seems like such a perfect excuse to not push Ircher through then.

pedit: yes, it doesn't need to be perfect. this phase would really suck if Robert hadn't been eliminated. that's why clidd being scum is so confusing to me. towncred is towncred is towncred but that's a major misplay. same with Tanner.
No it really isn’t. Think about it. Let’s say both scum died first, who would you tr? But if just one lhf townie also dies, scum gets tr for it, which is why Nakata was so okay with limming Robert, remember?

If I’m scum here, I make it a point of getting one lhf townie miselimed along with my two buddies. Tell me, I wouldn’t be a shoe in to be sentenced if I did that?
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Post Post #3475 (isolation #486) » Tue Jul 20, 2021 6:39 am

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In post 3471, Chara wrote:
In post 1450, Amy Dunne wrote:UNVOTE:

Yeah, I think Ircher definitely needs to be today’s elim.

VOTE: Ircher

E-1

again
In post 1452, Morning Tweet wrote:I would like to see what Yin says at midnight

If you believe Ircher is anti town I don't think you should put him at X-1 yet
In post 1456, Morning Tweet wrote:
In post 1455, Amy Dunne wrote:
In post 1452, Morning Tweet wrote:I would like to see what Yin says at midnight

If you believe Ircher is anti town I don't think you should put him at X-1 yet
Why not?
If he has the ability to self hammer then he will do it to rob us of that information
In post 1457, Morning Tweet wrote:It's true, Ircher has had plenty of time to say anything. But he left at "I'll self hammer" and kept it at that.
this is what i'm referring to.
and at the time i thought yeah, that makes sense, we may as well wait for Yin, and i also didn't hammer. not that i likely would have if Tweet hadn't said to, either.
I was seriously paranoid he was a supersaint or something, which is why I didn’t want to be the hammer.
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Post Post #3481 (isolation #487) » Tue Jul 20, 2021 6:50 am

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In post 3476, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 3471, Chara wrote:this is what i'm referring to.
and at the time i thought yeah, that makes sense, we may as well wait for Yin, and i also didn't hammer. not that i likely would have if Tweet hadn't said to, either.
ok but if you look at the sequence I posted earlier,

it was

(4) Nakata
(3) Ircher

Tweet moves her vote from Nakata to Ircher, flipping the lead wagon to Ircher.

Then 2 more votes (Me/Robert) hit Ircher putting him at E-1.

That's the first real danger the scum faced all game. I don't think Tweet makes that type of move to flip lead wagon to an LHF as scum?

Also just the earnest nature of her solving has felt so town!energy to me.

Like originally I hardtownread her for the way she got really into using Yin's answers to solve the game, but then I was like "wait this is actually not helping us"

Now I'm kind of like in the area where I'm not sure Scum!Tweet is able to fake that much enthusiasm for something she knows is complete bullshit?
What I’d still really like to know is did Ircher play that way because he knew he’d be detonated? He literally acted super scummy until Infinity was almost certainly flipping.

I will re-ISO Tanner. What I can tell you is thay I don’t think I’ve ever been suspicious of Datisi in any game I’ve ever played with him before, so why is that? And I was suss on him even before the reveal but I didn’t say anything because I thought the VCA spewed him town but that was mainly the reason I tr him and now, that is no longer viable obviously.
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Post Post #3483 (isolation #488) » Tue Jul 20, 2021 6:52 am

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In post 3473, Chara wrote:
In post 3470, Flea The Magician wrote:There is absolutely no reason for a town tanner to be nervous right now.
If tanners town and knows my read is bad, he dismisses it.
Tanners scum and you know it.
he's not, and i'm not, and Yin was scum, and the fact that Amy is coming around to your thinking is proof enough that Yin's wifom is working.

town get nervous about being misread all the time. it depends on their personality, some don't care at all, others do, but there is reason for it. do you remember Yggdrasil, i started getting really defeatist because i'd accrued a few scumreads and assumed i'd be killed at night. and it was irrational.
Please give me a little credit here. If Yin had called Pooky a criminal, I would have totally dismissed it as bs.
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Post Post #3486 (isolation #489) » Tue Jul 20, 2021 6:53 am

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In post 3477, Chara wrote:Amy, if that were true, then wouldn't clidd be an obvious sentencing choice right now?
Based on?
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Post Post #3490 (isolation #490) » Tue Jul 20, 2021 7:00 am

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In post 3484, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 3481, Amy Dunne wrote:What I’d still really like to know is did Ircher play that way because he knew he’d be detonated? He literally acted super scummy until Infinity was almost certainly flipping.
well I think Ircher was just a VT same as the rest of us and the bomb is a scum mechanism ? I don't think Ircher knew where the bomb came from cuz he would have told us if he did?
But he did act really scummy until it was obvious Infinty was going to be the flip. All I know is, I can’t wait toread the mod pt post-game to find that out.

We know scum bombed Ircher and we also know that they could only make one nk.
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Post Post #3492 (isolation #491) » Tue Jul 20, 2021 7:03 am

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In post 3488, Chara wrote:
In post 3486, Amy Dunne wrote:
In post 3477, Chara wrote:Amy, if that were true, then wouldn't clidd be an obvious sentencing choice right now?
Based on?
he and Pooky agreeing to and then hammering Robert.
But both were initially tr him, where as Tanner hardpushed Robert right out of the gate, so I really don’t understand your point?

I could obviously be wrong but at a gut level I’m having doubts and it’s not just Yin wifom.
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Post Post #3494 (isolation #492) » Tue Jul 20, 2021 7:12 am

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In post 3487, Chara wrote:also the reason i disagree if you were talking about the Yin thing, Pooky, is that Tweetie's enthusiasm seemed to have more to do with it being fun than solving the game with it, she said herself she wasn't using it for reads, so it's NAI to me. i can see town and scum Tweetie having fun with it like that.

pedit: responding to the previous, not to the new post from Pooky about this.
What about the fact that both scum pushed her especially Nakata and no one seriously thought she had even a snowball’s chance in hell of being limmed.

It looks as if scum wanted us to paranoia on Tweetie. That’s how I won MD game btw. I made pturist IC, who was hard sr my dance partner Dann and everyone thought that he was locktown because scum was trying to make everyone paranoia on him.

except in this case, in reverse?
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Post Post #3496 (isolation #493) » Tue Jul 20, 2021 7:15 am

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In post 3493, Chara wrote:my point is that i don't think pushing through a town miselim is a win card for scum at all. like you are suspecting Tanner for exactly that.
I’m telling you that’s what I’d do here as scum here because it’s brilliant and I’d be guaranteed to be sentenced. Because scum has to kill two of their buddies and if no one wants to lim them, they’re stuck but if you get a miselim, you’re golden.
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Post Post #3497 (isolation #494) » Tue Jul 20, 2021 7:19 am

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In post 3460, Chara wrote:
In post 2885, Hectic wrote:There are 4 mafia and 9 town in this game. Mafia win by sentencing all 4 of their members. Town win by sentencing 5 townies. Town are under the impression they should be sentencing mafia, but once two mafia have been sentenced, the true wincons will be revealed publicly. Mafia were aware of all this.
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Post Post #3499 (isolation #495) » Tue Jul 20, 2021 7:20 am

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In post 3495, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:Datisi's push of Robert is imo more genuine than Clidd's push of Robert if Clidd even pushed Robert at all on Day 2. (I don't know if he did, I'll re-read D2 today)

I haven't re-read Day 2 robert elimination yet but consider this.

On Day 1, scum didn't know Robert would be a flipped player at endgame, so there's really no incentive to get "towncred" for pushing Robert since if Robert is alive at Endgame, he's an LHF suspect so pushing him d1 wouldn't be
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as protown. Datisi was pushing him anyway.

On Day 2, we were actually going to kill Robert, so scum would know to jump on to look better for Endgame.
Hectic straight up says, “mafia was aware of this”. So how couldn’t they have not known?
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Post Post #3501 (isolation #496) » Tue Jul 20, 2021 7:23 am

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In post 3495, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:Datisi's push of Robert is imo more genuine than Clidd's push of Robert if Clidd even pushed Robert at all on Day 2. (I don't know if he did, I'll re-read D2 today)

I haven't re-read Day 2 robert elimination yet but consider this.

On Day 1, scum didn't know Robert would be a flipped player at endgame, so there's really no incentive to get "towncred" for pushing Robert since if Robert is alive at Endgame, he's an LHF suspect so pushing him d1 wouldn't be
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On Day 2, we were actually going to kill Robert, so scum would know to jump on to look better for Endgame.
In post 3497, Amy Dunne wrote:
In post 3460, Chara wrote:
In post 2885, Hectic wrote:There are 4 mafia and 9 town in this game. Mafia win by sentencing all 4 of their members. Town win by sentencing 5 townies. Town are under the impression they should be sentencing mafia, but once two mafia have been sentenced, the true wincons will be revealed publicly.
Mafia were aware of all this
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Like you may be right but I can’t explain why I’m having doubts, I just am and I usually do not.
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Post Post #3507 (isolation #497) » Tue Jul 20, 2021 7:53 am

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Maybe he is town, then who do you think is the team then? If you tr Tweetie then that can only leave Flea/Clidd right?
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Post Post #3614 (isolation #498) » Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:21 am

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In post 3512, Morning Tweet wrote:I'm guessing if Chara is town then either Pooky or Ydrasse fooled me which smh if so but I think clidd is scum every time

i skimmed and like didnt someone figure out his stances on earlier days make sense with that?

Im kinda judging off these last pages, it rlly seems like ydrasse/pooky/tanner/flea town. I think Chara is making the best of this situation it can though as either alignment

if clidd is town I am lost, there's some theater or something probably I totally missed?? idk
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Post Post #3616 (isolation #499) » Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:27 am

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In post 3526, clidd wrote:
In post 3522, Chara wrote:this game is cursed, i'm also very sick suddenly now and it's miserable. i hope you guys feel a little better soon, with the knowledge that depression doesn't just clear up like a stomach bug does.

@Tweetie: i know it's possible he's just scum who made a bad call, that's why i'm not saying i want to sentence him rn, but it's significant to me and felt it like no one was really considering it, Pooky did not even know the number of town we need to sentence now initially.

@clidd why change to Ydrasse now?
I thought a wagon on Pooky wasn't going anywhere, but maybe there's some hope.
I’d vote him but he says he wants to be the last townie voted. \_0_ /
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Post Post #3618 (isolation #500) » Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:30 am

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In post 3535, Tanner wrote:
In post 3424, Amy Dunne wrote:What I don’t understand why Tanner is in such a damn hurry to be sentenced here? We have 5 townies to choose from excludng me, so why is Tanner so eager to be eliminated first?
i'm awful town in endgames. i can give links if needed - i have literally never won a town lylo where i was the deciding vote or where i wasn't in a 1v1 with someone. the longer i am alive, the bigger the odds the town loses, it's that simple. especially in a clusterfuck theme game like this where i am very aware that my reads are garbage.

god, reading is annoying. "i don't think scum!ydrasse rams through an infinity flip because she would know she needs to look good post-reveal... but also tanner is totally scum lol" like have you even seen why infinity wagon ended up being a thing???
In post 3434, Amy Dunne wrote:I’ve never ever played with scum!Datisi but I’ve never been really suspicious of him in any of my games where he’s been town and at a gut level, I am very suspicious of him here. It’s of course possible I’m wrong but him being so hellbent on being the first one sentenced or not wanting us to lim Ydrasse because she’s tr him, just worry me.
wrong. i am pretty certain you thought i was scum and voted me out in quasi-lylo of krazy's post apoc upick. and i wanna ask what is it that's making you suspicious of me and i have a feeling the only response you'll have is "gut because you were obvtown in [this one town game] and you're not here" and holy fuck i want to headdesk every time i hear that nonsense
These kind of posts are just irritating me, so I really wish you’d stop it, please?
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Post Post #3620 (isolation #501) » Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:36 am

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In post 3568, Yang wrote:Ydrasse is a naga.
a what?
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Post Post #3622 (isolation #502) » Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:40 am

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In post 3570, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 3537, Tanner wrote:and yes before you ask i am aware that pissing off the conftown who doesn't wanna listen to me anyway is stupid but congrats being pushed throughout the whole game on that criminal bullshit is taking its toll

you may all now collectively go "would scum!tanner purposefully piss of the conftown for the wifom" because the answer is probably yes
by one person.

Literally I am the only person who is seriously pushing you, and has been for a long time.

So the frustration may be genuine, but only because you're the one who sealed your own fate.
Tanner should know that emotional manipulation of any kind doesn’t sway me and if he’s just going to rag on me every single goddamned post, I might just not read them.
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Post Post #3627 (isolation #503) » Wed Jul 21, 2021 12:29 pm

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In post 3613, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I still want her opinion on the proper solve b4 we send our bathero packing but yea i'm pretty solid on Town!Tweet
Yeah, Nalata and Infinty definitely look tike they’re working together tp dtive Tweetie nuts.

You’re Ydra’s cats’ think put me into stiches. lmfao
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Post Post #3628 (isolation #504) » Wed Jul 21, 2021 12:31 pm

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In post 3612, Tanner wrote:pooky i think that post fully convinced me on yeeting the fuck out of tweetie so if we get around to doing that today you have my vote
K, finally a recent post I like.
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Post Post #3630 (isolation #505) » Wed Jul 21, 2021 12:33 pm

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In post 3619, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 3616, Amy Dunne wrote:I’d vote him but he says he wants to be the last townie voted. \_0_ /
I just want to stay and help you! ^.^
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I admit, I like keeping you around which is probably selfish.
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Post Post #3631 (isolation #506) » Wed Jul 21, 2021 12:34 pm

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In post 3623, Chara wrote:a naga is a monster with the lower half of a snake and the upper half of a human.
Thznks. :lol:
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Post Post #3634 (isolation #507) » Wed Jul 21, 2021 12:41 pm

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In post 3624, Tanner wrote:
In post 3618, Amy Dunne wrote:
In post 3535, Tanner wrote:
In post 3424, Amy Dunne wrote:What I don’t understand why Tanner is in such a damn hurry to be sentenced here? We have 5 townies to choose from excludng me, so why is Tanner so eager to be eliminated first?
i'm awful town in endgames. i can give links if needed - i have literally never won a town lylo where i was the deciding vote or where i wasn't in a 1v1 with someone. the longer i am alive, the bigger the odds the town loses, it's that simple. especially in a clusterfuck theme game like this where i am very aware that my reads are garbage.

god, reading is annoying. "i don't think scum!ydrasse rams through an infinity flip because she would know she needs to look good post-reveal... but also tanner is totally scum lol" like have you even seen why infinity wagon ended up being a thing???
In post 3434, Amy Dunne wrote:I’ve never ever played with scum!Datisi but I’ve never been really suspicious of him in any of my games where he’s been town and at a gut level, I am very suspicious of him here. It’s of course possible I’m wrong but him being so hellbent on being the first one sentenced or not wanting us to lim Ydrasse because she’s tr him, just worry me.
wrong. i am pretty certain you thought i was scum and voted me out in quasi-lylo of krazy's post apoc upick. and i wanna ask what is it that's making you suspicious of me and i have a feeling the only response you'll have is "gut because you were obvtown in [this one town game] and you're not here" and holy fuck i want to headdesk every time i hear that nonsense
These kind of posts are just irritating me, so I really wish you’d stop it, please?
sure, i can control my tone around you if that's what you're asking. it doesn't change what i'm calling you out on - townreading ydrasse for apparently ramming through the infinity's wagon while at the same time calling me scum, despite me being the one who did that, is incorrect. and saying that you've never misread town!me is incorrect.
I don’t recall hard sr you in that game but I obviously did misyeet you yes. I said that I tr her for other reasons besides just that but I’m starting to lose confidence in Flea’s case, because @Flea, I need something a lot more then what you consider to be “nervousness”, because those things are entirely nia. What you need to do is to debunk Pooky’s towncase on him. If you can do that, I would be convinced but if I was being deathtunnelled, I’d be pissed too - irrespective of alignment and other than Yin, that seems to be your main argument, which isn’t really convincing.
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Post Post #3635 (isolation #508) » Wed Jul 21, 2021 12:44 pm

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Let’s set town!bat free. <3
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Post Post #3636 (isolation #509) » Wed Jul 21, 2021 12:49 pm

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In post 3635, Amy Dunne wrote:Let’s set town!bat free. <3
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Post Post #3643 (isolation #510) » Wed Jul 21, 2021 1:42 pm

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In post 3637, Morning Tweet wrote:oh am i being thrown out

That's fine, i was gonna reread when I got home but tbh, just dont let Flea/Chara/clidd out of the game and we win
I don’t really get the Chara srs.
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Post Post #3649 (isolation #511) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:20 am

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In post 3600, Flea The Magician wrote:I haven't even looked at the full ISO and I'm seeing very little of a townie mindset here.

Humour me people, you lose nothing by keeping me, Tanner and Chara back with Amy.
In post 3645, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 3637, Morning Tweet wrote:oh am i being thrown out

That's fine, i was gonna reread when I got home but tbh, just dont let Flea/Chara/clidd out of the game and we win
I have no intention of leaving the game, you're good.
Flea is scum, because this whole I’m not getting limmed thing is disingenuous. Why? Because there is probably one scum in Clidd/Ydra, which would mean that we would then have no choice but to lim in Chara/Tanner/Flea.

I had this wild tin foil theory yesterday that Flea/Tanner was the team because of how certain Flea was and I strongly suspected scum distancing but it really doesn’t look like scum theatre to me and now fae wants to prevent Chara from being limmed as well.

I don’t think Chara is scum and if it is, 100% never with Tanner or it never would have pushed so hard for Tanner to be voted, so that means that Chara/Tanner cannot both be scum and therefore Flea’s insistence on the criminal 100% = scum thing is transparently wrong.

The only thing that makes sense from fae’s case is that apparently Tanner is shit at reading me, because I don’t believe the case is credible.


So, I think so long as Flea never gets yeeted, we probably win.
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Post Post #3650 (isolation #512) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:39 am

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In post 1975, pj harvey dent wrote:
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[5] Infinity 324:
Tanner, Ydrasse, NorwegianboyEE, Amy Dunne, Ircher
[3] Ircher:
PookyTheMagicalBear, Robert M Hunter, Morning Tweet
[3] Satoru Nakata:
Infinity 324, Chara, clidd
[1] Morning Tweet:
Satoru Nakata
[1] Tanner:
Flea The Magician

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to sentence. If there is no majority by the deadline, plurality will decide.

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In post 2050, pj harvey dent wrote:
Votecount 1.23


[6] Infinity 324:
Tanner, Ydrasse, NorwegianboyEE, Amy Dunne, Ircher, Chara
[3] Ircher:
PookyTheMagicalBear, Robert M Hunter, Morning Tweet
[2] Satoru Nakata:
Infinity 324, clidd
[1] Morning Tweet:
Satoru Nakata
[1] Tanner:
Flea The Magician

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to sentence. If there is no majority by the deadline, plurality will decide.

The deadline is in (expired on 2021-07-07 18:10:20).


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In post 2094, Hectic wrote:
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[7] Infinity 324:
Tanner, Ydrasse, NorwegianboyEE, Amy Dunne, Ircher, Chara, clidd
HAMMER

[3] Ircher:
PookyTheMagicalBear, Robert M Hunter, Morning Tweet
[2] Satoru Nakata:
Infinity 324, Flea The Magician
[1] Morning Tweet:
Satoru Nakata

With 13 alive, it took 7 to sentence.

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Here Flea is voteparked on Tanner until Infinty wagon is almost a done deal, then fae suddenly switches to Nakata.

Conclusion: Flea was onboard with Infinity or fae would have been on Nakata since the beginning since fae knew, that Tanner lim clearly wasn’t happening.
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Post Post #3652 (isolation #513) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:43 am

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Flea is SvS with one bussing scum in D1 Infinity wagon, it’s so god damned obvious.
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Post Post #3653 (isolation #514) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:45 am

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In post 3652, Amy Dunne wrote:Flea is SvS with one bussing scum in D1 Infinity wagon, it’s so god damned obvious.
Also, to absolutely no shock to anyone - D1 VCA confitowns Pooky and Tweetie.
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Post Post #3654 (isolation #515) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:47 am

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UNVOTE:

I’m going to unvote because it’s a slam dunk, Pooky and Tweetie are getting sentenced. We have 3 days to figure out the other two.
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Post Post #3659 (isolation #516) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:04 am

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Flea only pivots to Nakata after Infinity has 6 votes on her, which tells me Infinty lim was coordinated or fae wouldn’t have waited until then.

I also think the ellitelling was not an accident. Scum probably told Infinty to do that.
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Post Post #3670 (isolation #517) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:19 am

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In post 2613, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 2602, Tanner wrote:
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, is there a criminal between Flea, Ydrasse, and Ircher?
Now this is a damn good question.

And I will eat the lim if it comes back positive.
Doubling, tripling, quadrupling down on scum!Flea.
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Post Post #3673 (isolation #518) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:29 am

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In post 2616, Chara wrote:
In post 2613, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 2602, Tanner wrote:
yin
, is there a criminal between Flea, Ydrasse, and Ircher?
Now this is a damn good question.

And I will eat the lim if it comes back positive.
i just do not understand this. if we were going to lim based on Yin confirming someone is a criminal it's going to be Tanner or me. if you're elimmed it's not going to be because Yin said so.

you should know you're not scum from your pov, right? if Yin said without a doubt you were a criminal are you then happy to lim yourself, even though that confirmation would mean that being a criminal isn't AI? even if it does have mechanical significance it just does not make sense to me.
This doesn’t sound like Chara/Flea are aligned.
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Post Post #3676 (isolation #519) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:31 am

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In post 3671, Flea The Magician wrote:oh yeah we were on screw mechanics there werent we..

well the intent was I will happily take the scum read and sit in the corner of "you dun goofed"
If there is scum in either Ydra or Clidd and you’re hard opposed to Chara/Tanner, who else does that leave?
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Post Post #3680 (isolation #520) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:33 am

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In post 3672, Flea The Magician wrote:and your point is made

I'm the scummiest scumfuck to ever scum.

I'm going to fucking laugh at each and every one of you when I'm right though.

VOTE: Tweet

Lets get this rolling and start the end game.
Why rush this when Tweetie asked for more time?

We already know that 2/4 sentenced will be Tweetie/Pooky, so there’s no reason to rush this now. It’s optimal to give Tweetie as much time to solve as she needs.
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Post Post #3682 (isolation #521) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:37 am

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In post 3674, Flea The Magician wrote:I said I'd hammer anything except tanner and chara btw, and I'm 100% this flips green.
No one is doubting Pooky/Tweetie locktown are they?

It’s so beyond obvious, which is why it’s far more optimal to find the other 2/3 townies. I think perhaps, at least one would be nice but if not, I’d like to give Tweetie as much time as she needs, which is why there is absolutely no need to rush this when we have another 3 days,
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Post Post #3686 (isolation #522) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:45 am

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In post 3675, Tanner wrote:
In post 3649, Amy Dunne wrote:The only thing that makes sense from fae’s case is that apparently Tanner is shit at reading me, because I don’t believe the case is credible.
do you have a problem with my ex-scumread on you, or is this an omgus-y read? because uh, no offense, but i get the idea that you kinda do those more often than you should. (which also. i don't bullshit a scumread on a townie that (1) i know has that reactionary omgus tendency that i (2) then make confirmed town but self-meta weeee)
In post 3654, Amy Dunne wrote:I’m going to unvote because it’s a slam dunk, Pooky and Tweetie are getting sentenced. We have 3 days to figure out the other two.
is there a reason to try to figure out all 4 today? don't get me wrong, i enjoy having tweetie around, so besides having her help.
In post 3656, clidd wrote:For an easy clap Tanner + me chain would be gameover ig after Pooky and MT.
didn't think i'd ever hear clidd say the words "easy clap", but here we are.

also i acknowledge that it is my turn in the Wallpost War i will get to it in a second

flea, are you willing to reveal what your backup plan is for when the mechanics turn out to be incorrect?
No, I’m not being omgussy in the slightest. What I’m saying is that’s probably the only part of Flea’s case that doesn’t sound ridiculous to me.

Well because we have 3 days and we know Tweetie and Pooky are locktown, so they’re opinions are the most helpful.

It’s like keeping 3 ICs in the game as long as possible. However, we should probably yeet Tweetie tomorrow at the latest just for safety reasons, so I would definitely want her sentenced today or tomorrow but we won’t lose the game if we guess wrong today but it’s probably okay, so long as we give her adequate time to solve.

We know she’s locktown like Pooky, so we have nothing to lose to hear all her thoughts.
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Post Post #3687 (isolation #523) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:48 am

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In post 3678, Tanner wrote:and before anyone says: yes i am assuming scum picked amy to be the ic considering she didn't tell us anything about being a Stage Two mason.
Well obviously how could I possibly have known about the mason thing? Only scum is informed. And we don’t even know if scum knew about that, do we?

All we do know 100% is that scum 100% knew their true win condition.
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Post Post #3690 (isolation #524) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:50 am

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In post 3681, Flea The Magician wrote:I said I'd hammer anything no Tanner/Chara - and frankly now I'm annoyed people are wasting time casing me when I am literally never leaving the pit.
In post 3679, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 3676, Amy Dunne wrote:
In post 3671, Flea The Magician wrote:oh yeah we were on screw mechanics there werent we..

well the intent was I will happily take the scum read and sit in the corner of "you dun goofed"
If there is scum in either Ydra or Clidd and you’re hard opposed to Chara/Tanner, who else does that leave?
There is no scum in Ydra or Clidd.
How are you this certain?

And if one of them are scum, why wouldn’t you be a possible candidate for sentencing?
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Post Post #3692 (isolation #525) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:53 am

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In post 3691, Yang wrote:She told me a beautiful story.
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Post Post #3693 (isolation #526) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:55 am

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In post 3688, Flea The Magician wrote:pretty sure I just hammered, honestly.
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I don’t think so because I unvoted because I want to hear her thoughts. Why ram this through?

If Pooky also gets rammed through tomorrow, 100% it’s scum trying to derail his solve.
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Post Post #3694 (isolation #527) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:58 am

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In post 3683, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 3512, Morning Tweet wrote:I'm guessing if Chara is town then either Pooky or Ydrasse fooled me which smh if so but I think clidd is scum every time

i skimmed and like didnt someone figure out his stances on earlier days make sense with that?

Im kinda judging off these last pages, it rlly seems like ydrasse/pooky/tanner/flea town. I think Chara is making the best of this situation it can though as either alignment

if clidd is town I am lost, there's some theater or something probably I totally missed?? idk
In post 3637, Morning Tweet wrote:oh am i being thrown out

That's fine, i was gonna reread when I got home but tbh, just dont let Flea/Chara/clidd out of the game and we win
Tweeties last will, essentially. I'm happy complying as frankly I still see that as a game winner.
That means you’re now okay with Tanner?
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Post Post #3699 (isolation #528) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:00 am

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Because other than the Yin thing, what is your case against Chara?

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Post Post #3704 (isolation #529) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:03 am

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In post 3702, Tanner wrote:holy hell flea you massacred that poor code, it took me up until now to fix it

amy, did yang do anything useful in the mason pt?
She asked me to tell her a bedtime story.
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Post Post #3706 (isolation #530) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:05 am

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In post 3700, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 3693, Amy Dunne wrote:
In post 3688, Flea The Magician wrote:pretty sure I just hammered, honestly.
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I don’t think so because I unvoted because I want to hear her thoughts. Why ram this through?

If Pooky also gets rammed through tomorrow, 100% it’s scum trying to derail his solve.
Fair.

Honestly this is just winding the snot out of me at this point because people keep dangling carrots then kicking me in the proverbials.
It’s protown to give the 2 sencentencable ICs as much time in the game to solve as necessary,
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Post Post #3713 (isolation #531) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:09 am

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In post 3709, Tanner wrote:hm. so if the mason pt practically isn't being used for anything right now, why does it exist? either to try to show the difference between yin/yang (or highlight that yang is the good one), or someone else will join it later on too. but "losing" another townie to the masonry seems a bit overkill.
Idk but I am the only one who can never be sentenced.
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Post Post #3715 (isolation #532) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:12 am

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In post 3710, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 3709, Tanner wrote:hm. so if the mason pt practically isn't being used for anything right now, why does it exist? either to try to show the difference between yin/yang (or highlight that yang is the good one), or someone else will join it later on too. but "losing" another townie to the masonry seems a bit overkill.
Nightkill mechanic potentially.
God I hop not. Maybe Tweetie and Pooky should go next then? :eek:
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Post Post #3716 (isolation #533) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:13 am

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In post 3712, Yang wrote:Flea forged all of faer patents of nobility. However, they were forged by a maid who taught herself to write on her own by candlelight. This maid studied countless illustrated books, deciphering the patterns. It was not possible to sneak into the library and be in it overnight unless she skipped dinner hour, so she worked with pangs of hunger. All so that one day she complete her task. Flea every morning would bring her breakfast. Many a day that would make her late to the docks, and the punishment for being late for unloading a cargo was a brawl with the overseer. Fae was strong enough to win the fights, but only won one time, because fae saw in the overseer's eyes that fae would be fired if fae won anymore. So there was a greater measure of pain when so many of these fights were lost. Fae bad to be able to afford the maid's breakfast.

We may use the word forged to describe how the patents of nobility would created, but in this way they are more genuine than perhaps any in the world and Flea is true royalty.
Royalty was scum last SS game.
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Post Post #3717 (isolation #534) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:17 am

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In post 3714, Tanner wrote:
In post 3710, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 3709, Tanner wrote:hm. so if the mason pt practically isn't being used for anything right now, why does it exist? either to try to show the difference between yin/yang (or highlight that yang is the good one), or someone else will join it later on too. but "losing" another townie to the masonry seems a bit overkill.
Nightkill mechanic potentially.
when we're already down to the margin of error of 1? seems a bit brutal. hopefully that's not the case.
I think they only had one nk and they obviously picked the most obvtown player att.
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Post Post #3720 (isolation #535) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:21 am

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In post 3709, Tanner wrote:hm. so if the mason pt practically isn't being used for anything right now, why does it exist? either to try to show the difference between yin/yang (or highlight that yang is the good one), or someone else will join it later on too. but "losing" another townie to the masonry seems a bit overkill.
If there is another nk mechanic, then I sure af hope there would be but I think this game would be ridiculously scumsided if there was another nk in the works.
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Post Post #3721 (isolation #536) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:24 am

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In post 3701, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 3699, Amy Dunne wrote:Because other than the Yin thing, what is your case against Chara?

@Flea
Who said I had one?
If you sr Tanner but are okay with him being sentenced and you’re convinced that Tanner/Chara are scum because of Yin, then you should logically prefer Chara to Tanner no?

Like I think if you have no case on Chara outside of Yin wifom, why aren’t you re-evaluating your Yin wifom solve?
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Post Post #3726 (isolation #537) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:28 am

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In post 3722, Tanner wrote:lol i use it too clidd, i just found it funny coming from someone like you who gives off such a serious and formal vibe.

and uh yeah, another nightkill would be ridiculous. i'm just brainstorming the reasons that mason pt has for existing, because it doesn't seem like it's very useful right now. and my guess is that things don't just exist for the sake of it.
But Tweetie and Pooky could only be dead masons then and you normally don’t have dead town in a masonry.

Also, why isn’t Ircher in it then? Masonry existed before he was detonated.
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Post Post #3729 (isolation #538) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:29 am

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In post 3725, pj harvey dent wrote:
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[4] Morning Tweet:
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[1] Tanner:
Morning Tweet

[3] Not Voting:
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With 8 alive, it takes 5 to sentence. If there is no majority by the deadline, plurality will decide.

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No one hammer this yet. I want to hear everything Tweetie has to say first.
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Post Post #3730 (isolation #539) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:32 am

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In post 3728, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 3726, Amy Dunne wrote:
In post 3722, Tanner wrote:lol i use it too clidd, i just found it funny coming from someone like you who gives off such a serious and formal vibe.

and uh yeah, another nightkill would be ridiculous. i'm just brainstorming the reasons that mason pt has for existing, because it doesn't seem like it's very useful right now. and my guess is that things don't just exist for the sake of it.
But Tweetie and Pooky could only be dead masons then and you normally don’t have dead town in a masonry.

Also, why isn’t Ircher in it then? Masonry existed before he was detonated.
Detonated, as in, exploded so nothing remained.
If sentenced town was allowed in masonry, wouldn’t Robert be in there then?
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Post Post #3733 (isolation #540) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:34 am

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In post 3723, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 3716, Amy Dunne wrote:
In post 3712, Yang wrote:Flea forged all of faer patents of nobility. However, they were forged by a maid who taught herself to write on her own by candlelight. This maid studied countless illustrated books, deciphering the patterns. It was not possible to sneak into the library and be in it overnight unless she skipped dinner hour, so she worked with pangs of hunger. All so that one day she complete her task. Flea every morning would bring her breakfast. Many a day that would make her late to the docks, and the punishment for being late for unloading a cargo was a brawl with the overseer. Fae was strong enough to win the fights, but only won one time, because fae saw in the overseer's eyes that fae would be fired if fae won anymore. So there was a greater measure of pain when so many of these fights were lost. Fae bad to be able to afford the maid's breakfast.

We may use the word forged to describe how the patents of nobility would created, but in this way they are more genuine than perhaps any in the world and Flea is true royalty.
Royalty was scum last SS game.
I was scum last SS game.
Weren’t you also Royalty?
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Post Post #3734 (isolation #541) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:38 am

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In post 3732, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 3730, Amy Dunne wrote:
In post 3728, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 3726, Amy Dunne wrote:
In post 3722, Tanner wrote:lol i use it too clidd, i just found it funny coming from someone like you who gives off such a serious and formal vibe.

and uh yeah, another nightkill would be ridiculous. i'm just brainstorming the reasons that mason pt has for existing, because it doesn't seem like it's very useful right now. and my guess is that things don't just exist for the sake of it.
But Tweetie and Pooky could only be dead masons then and you normally don’t have dead town in a masonry.

Also, why isn’t Ircher in it then? Masonry existed before he was detonated.
Detonated, as in, exploded so nothing remained.
If sentenced town was allowed in masonry, wouldn’t Robert be in there then?
I'm going to let you think that over before I even begin to consider answering.
Yes I obviously know it happened before masonry existed, my point here is you say Ircher isn’t viable because detonated, so as a sentenced townie - if that were truly the mechanic, it would be possible. Robert obviously wouldn’t have been sent to the dead thread.

At any rate, it’s pretty much pointless to speculate on this because I seriously doubt Tweetie and Pooky will become a part of it.
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Post Post #3735 (isolation #542) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:39 am

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In post 3731, Ydrasse wrote:UNVOTE:

there you go
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Post Post #3745 (isolation #543) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:51 am

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In post 1761, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 1759, Tanner wrote:eh? you got to a correct read of me in the last two games we played together? what's with the "i don't know how to read him" now?
You aren't playing similar to the mini normal imo

I townread you for the majority of jk9++
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Post Post #3746 (isolation #544) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:52 am

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In post 3737, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 3734, Amy Dunne wrote:
In post 3732, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 3730, Amy Dunne wrote:
In post 3728, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 3726, Amy Dunne wrote:
In post 3722, Tanner wrote:lol i use it too clidd, i just found it funny coming from someone like you who gives off such a serious and formal vibe.

and uh yeah, another nightkill would be ridiculous. i'm just brainstorming the reasons that mason pt has for existing, because it doesn't seem like it's very useful right now. and my guess is that things don't just exist for the sake of it.
But Tweetie and Pooky could only be dead masons then and you normally don’t have dead town in a masonry.

Also, why isn’t Ircher in it then? Masonry existed before he was detonated.
Detonated, as in, exploded so nothing remained.
If sentenced town was allowed in masonry, wouldn’t Robert be in there then?
I'm going to let you think that over before I even begin to consider answering.
Yes I obviously know it happened before masonry existed, my point here is you say Ircher isn’t viable because detonated, so as a sentenced townie - if that were truly the mechanic, it would be possible. Robert obviously wouldn’t have been sent to the dead thread.

At any rate, it’s pretty much pointless to speculate on this because I seriously doubt Tweetie and Pooky will become a part of it.
How many night kills have we had?
One, Norwee.
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Post Post #3748 (isolation #545) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:57 am

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In post 3743, Morning Tweet wrote:Of course you could trust meeee!! Three more to go.
Well it’s been established that you and Pooky are townlocks. I’m assuming you have Tanner and Ydra as the other two right?
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Post Post #3750 (isolation #546) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:58 am

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In post 3747, Morning Tweet wrote:If I become part of the masonry I will rejoice believe me

But I figure the indestructible masonry is so scum dont ever have majority while we're limming town
Well absolutely nothing game related has happened in there so it’s probably nia, since we know Yin is scum stump.
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Post Post #3818 (isolation #547) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:04 am

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I’ll be honest Flea, remember when you strongly towncased Titus in Happy Face? You gave a good solid argument for it and you were super obvious town in that game from the getgo, so I know you’re capable of making reads that are not based in mech.

Being suspicious of Chara’s scumgame isn’t a good reason to sr it in THIS one. Your play sounds very similar to Royalty when you illogically tunnelled Pooky and Ydrasse. You also professed conviction in that but it didn’t sound at all like your conviction in Titus!town in Happy Face where it was beyond obvious you believed in that read.

Also if you were on D1 apparently so opposed to Infinty wagon, why didn’t you try to derail it? Had you tried hard to swing the wagon even to Nakata instead of vanity voting Tanner, I would tr you. Why? Because scum buddies generally don’t work so hard to be at extreme cross purposes.

You knew Tanner had 0 chance of being yeeted and that at some point Nakata absolutely did but you only switched to him when Infinty was already at 6 votes. That reads like you were onboard with that wagon, despite your claims to the contrary and we know at least one scum bussed her and that’s why you look like whomever’s the bussing scum’s buddy.
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Post Post #3819 (isolation #548) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:07 am

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P.edit wrongly tunnelled. You did have a logical argument that was dead wrong.
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Post Post #3820 (isolation #549) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:16 am

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In post 3819, Amy Dunne wrote:P.edit wrongly tunnelled. You did have a logical argument that was dead wrong.
But you dug in your heels and pushed it hard and Pooky got really angry about being wrongly tunnelled. Ydrasse was super obvious town in that and there were plenty of anti-associatives that cleared her.

So my point in bringing that up, is you’re extremely capable of faking conviction but when you’re town, you just seem to do it very differently.

And even if Ydra flips town, it still doesn’t make you any less scummy. Because we know one scum bussed and you’re play d1 doesn’t make sense as town.

If I’m hard opposed to Infinity wagon like you claimed to be, you actually try to derail it but instead you just sat on Tanner and only moved to Nakata when the deal was already sealed.
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Post Post #3824 (isolation #550) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:42 am

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In post 3803, Chara wrote:i'm more confident in Tanner being town than Ydrasse right now.

also if you're trying to say that scum you wouldn't be being scumread like you are now, i'm not buying it at all. Yggdrasil just happened.
Tbf Chara, I tried to read fae’s ISO in that and just gave up with a splitting headache. Faer almost entire ISO in that game was spam and nonsense.

I think Royalty is a much better comparison.

IOW, Flea was flaming obvscum in Yggdrasil but definitely not in Royalty.
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Post Post #3826 (isolation #551) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:47 am

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In post 3823, Flea The Magician wrote:And lets face it...
This is just you looking to affirm your towncred.
and I'll be blamed when you and tanner get ejected and win.
Okay Flea I’ll bite. Your Chara/Tanner theory doesn’t make sense from a wifom perspective. Why? Because if Yin actually handed us the entire scumteam and we yeeted either of Tanner/Chara and either flipped scum, the surviving one would then be doomed and scum would obviously lose. That’s why your Tanner/Chara theory doesn’t make logical sense based off of Yin wifom.
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Post Post #3830 (isolation #552) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:55 am

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In post 3827, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 3826, Amy Dunne wrote:
In post 3823, Flea The Magician wrote:And lets face it...
This is just you looking to affirm your towncred.
and I'll be blamed when you and tanner get ejected and win.
Okay Flea I’ll bite. Your Chara/Tanner theory doesn’t make sense from a wifom perspective. Why? Because if Yin actually handed us the entire scumteam and we yeeted either of Tanner/Chara and either flipped scum, the surviving one would then be doomed and scum would obviously lose. That’s why your Tanner/Chara theory doesn’t make logical sense based off of Yin wifom.
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It means that at least one - if not both of them are town, because we were meant to believe him because of Infinity/Nakata flips but why would he tell us the entire scumteam?

Yin knew about the reveal obviously which is why he’s the one that wound up detonating Ircher and not Nakata.
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Post Post #3832 (isolation #553) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:58 am

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In post 3829, Chara wrote:
In post 3824, Amy Dunne wrote:
In post 3803, Chara wrote:i'm more confident in Tanner being town than Ydrasse right now.

also if you're trying to say that scum you wouldn't be being scumread like you are now, i'm not buying it at all. Yggdrasil just happened.
Tbf Chara, I tried to read fae’s ISO in that and just gave up with a splitting headache. Faer almost entire ISO in that game was spam and nonsense.

I think Royalty is a much better comparison.

IOW, Flea was flaming obvscum in Yggdrasil but definitely not in Royalty.
i'll take your word for it, it's rare i can get anything substantial out of metaing a game i wasn't in. i only brought up Yggdrasil because Flea was getting scumreads in it. fae did convince me out of faer being scum in that game but that was me underestimating faer, and also not trusting myself. faer play here is definitely nothing like Yggdrasil.
Faer ISO in that game is pretty much unreadable. I know I couldn’t.

I’m beyond amazed how fae did that. There isn’t a damned thing in the brief part of that ISO I skimmed that was even remotely town.
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Post Post #3836 (isolation #554) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:02 am

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In post 3826, Amy Dunne wrote:
In post 3823, Flea The Magician wrote:And lets face it...
This is just you looking to affirm your towncred.
and I'll be blamed when you and tanner get ejected and win.
Okay Flea I’ll bite. Your Chara/Tanner theory doesn’t make sense from a wifom perspective. Why? Because if Yin actually handed us the entire scumteam and we yeeted either of Tanner/Chara and either flipped scum, the surviving one would then be doomed and scum would obviously lose. That’s why your Tanner/Chara theory doesn’t make logical sense based off of Yin wifom.
In post 3831, Chara wrote:
In post 3823, Flea The Magician wrote:And lets face it...
This is just you looking to affirm your towncred.
and I'll be blamed when you and tanner get ejected and win.
there are no worlds where that happens. scum Tanner gets flipped, do you really think the next thing that happens is i get sentenced?
I said it first. :)
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Post Post #3839 (isolation #555) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:22 am

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In post 890, Satoru Nakata wrote:
In post 882, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 876, Satoru Nakata wrote:Friend clidd has been deceived into voting Nakata by scum Amy Dunne/Morning Tweet/Infinity 324/Robert M Hunter. Nakata does not think they are all scum, but Nakata thinks there may be a lot of scum in them. You should help Nakata by voting Morning Tweet or Amy Dunne so that we can eliminate scum today!
Flea is not entirely convinced of Comrade Nakata, and is leaning towards rival Nakata, if faer entirely honest.
Friend Flea shouldn't vote for Nakata, Nakata is not a baddie and
scum will win if they are able to eliminate friends like Nakata
just because Nakata doesn't speak like everyone else!
This post cracks me tf up on reread. :lol:
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Post Post #3840 (isolation #556) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:25 am

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In post 3838, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 3830, Amy Dunne wrote:
In post 3827, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 3826, Amy Dunne wrote:
In post 3823, Flea The Magician wrote:And lets face it...
This is just you looking to affirm your towncred.
and I'll be blamed when you and tanner get ejected and win.
Okay Flea I’ll bite. Your Chara/Tanner theory doesn’t make sense from a wifom perspective. Why? Because if Yin actually handed us the entire scumteam and we yeeted either of Tanner/Chara and either flipped scum, the surviving one would then be doomed and scum would obviously lose. That’s why your Tanner/Chara theory doesn’t make logical sense based off of Yin wifom.
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It means that at least one - if not both of them are town, because we were meant to believe him because of Infinity/Nakata flips but why would he tell us the entire scumteam?

Yin knew about the reveal obviously which is why he’s the one that wound up detonating Ircher and not Nakata.
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We have been - through an extended process of elimination - given the solve to the game.

I have pointed out my own experiences with this lil dilemma.

and while town blames me for their incoming loss, I will laugh soundly at all of you.

I will not vote Tanner.
I will not vote Chara.
and I most certainly will not be dignified.
How is this Occams Razor?

Now had Yin not actually detonated Ircher, your theory would be more believable
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Post Post #3844 (isolation #557) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:44 am

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In post 3841, Flea The Magician wrote:I need to make scoreboards for how often i saw things.

Yin is singlemindedly playing towards scum wincon - and has been from the start.
Absolutely no one is disagreeing with this.
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Post Post #3851 (isolation #558) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:56 am

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In post 3847, clidd wrote:
In post 3825, Morning Tweet wrote:Ah, it seems i was unable to get an extension on my college assignments

So I have just today to do them all :o

My apologies, I won't have time until much later most likely.

If you want to elim me early thats fine,

my preferences as of right now are like Tanner>>>>Pooky>>Ydrasse>>>>Flea>>Chara>>>>>>>>>clidd
It's sad that you have me so low on your PoE judging from past experiences where you read me correctly even with almost everyone scumreading me, but I understand that my current post flow is too low and with weird interactions to justify any ratings above the null or null-scum margin.
My reads are kind’ve similar except I think Chara should be a lot higher. It’s really genuinely trying to solve - very similar to FL v Hectic and very much unlike Pokemon Battles.

Again, can someone please explain to me why Chara is scum here because I am totally not seeing it?
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Post Post #3852 (isolation #559) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:58 am

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In post 3850, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 3840, Amy Dunne wrote:
In post 3838, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 3830, Amy Dunne wrote:
In post 3827, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 3826, Amy Dunne wrote:
In post 3823, Flea The Magician wrote:And lets face it...
This is just you looking to affirm your towncred.
and I'll be blamed when you and tanner get ejected and win.
Okay Flea I’ll bite. Your Chara/Tanner theory doesn’t make sense from a wifom perspective. Why? Because if Yin actually handed us the entire scumteam and we yeeted either of Tanner/Chara and either flipped scum, the surviving one would then be doomed and scum would obviously lose. That’s why your Tanner/Chara theory doesn’t make logical sense based off of Yin wifom.
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It means that at least one - if not both of them are town, because we were meant to believe him because of Infinity/Nakata flips but why would he tell us the entire scumteam?

Yin knew about the reveal obviously which is why he’s the one that wound up detonating Ircher and not Nakata.
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We have been - through an extended process of elimination - given the solve to the game.

I have pointed out my own experiences with this lil dilemma.

and while town blames me for their incoming loss, I will laugh soundly at all of you.

I will not vote Tanner.
I will not vote Chara.
and I most certainly will not be dignified.
How is this Occams Razor?

Now had Yin not actually detonated Ircher, your theory would be more believable
Yin needed to detonate ircher to remove a confirmed town voice from acting against the scum win condition and we were attempting to to speedyeet ircher.

Yin absolutely had to detonate to meet the wincon for scum.
Yes I obviously know that, which is why I don’t believe he laid out the entire scumteam.
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Post Post #3853 (isolation #560) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:00 am

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Pooky, please towncase Chara. I feel extremely confident it’s town.
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Post Post #3860 (isolation #561) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:05 am

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In post 3857, Morning Tweet wrote:
In post 3851, Amy Dunne wrote:My reads are kind’ve similar except I think Chara should be a lot higher. It’s really genuinely trying to solve - very similar to FL v Hectic and very much unlike Pokemon Battles.

Again, can someone please explain to me why Chara is scum here because I am totally not seeing it?
who is scum instead? Ydrasse and clidd?
Or Flea and Clidd? Idk but I’m asking you why is Chara scum? I want to understand why it’s being scumread.
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Post Post #3861 (isolation #562) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:07 am

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In post 3859, Flea The Magician wrote:
@YinDoes the game end when Chara, Tanner and Pooky are Eliminated?



@YangGengar is a Meth Clefable and the better version. So nyeh :P
Yin is confiscum, do you think he’s going to tell us the truth?
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Post Post #3864 (isolation #563) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:15 am

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https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... &start=200

Scum!Flea in Royalty. Fae was pretty strongly tr in that.
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Post Post #3866 (isolation #564) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:16 am

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In post 3863, clidd wrote:
In post 3856, Tanner wrote:
In post 3843, clidd wrote:
In post 3722, Tanner wrote:lol i use it too clidd, i just found it funny coming from someone like you who gives off such a serious and formal vibe.

and uh yeah, another nightkill would be ridiculous. i'm just brainstorming the reasons that mason pt has for existing, because it doesn't seem like it's very useful right now. and my guess is that things don't just exist for the sake of it.
I've been trying to lessen that sense of seriousness a bit, as it's a feature that came about because of the language barrier, but yeah, I can imagine why that would sound funny.

Do you think this says anything about my alignment here?
probably not. i can imagine both town! and scum! clidd wanting to appear less serious if he happened to grow tired of that style, i don't think it's ai.
In post 3849, clidd wrote:Flea's theory doesn't seem likely to me considering that we wouldn't just solve the game by asking those questions, but the process fae's using doesn't sound malicious, though the persistence isn't pleasant.

Need to see a flip to judge better.
whose flip do you need to see for this? because tweetie hasn't self-hammered so she's for all intents and purposes basically flipped town right now
Fair, nai.

Hum, idk. I think I'll get a better view after seeing the flips happening.
Are you serious? In what world does scum!Tweetie not insta self-hammer?
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Post Post #3867 (isolation #565) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:19 am

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I rn think Flea/Clidd team.
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Post Post #3872 (isolation #566) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:23 am

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In post 3869, clidd wrote:@Amy

Maybe some mechanics we don't know yet.

But I don't support Flea's theory anyways.
It’s scum’s wincon to get elimed. Tweetie is bleeding obvtown regardless of the non insta hammer, that just seals it.
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Post Post #3874 (isolation #567) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:27 am

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In post 3868, Tanner wrote:
Spoiler: some d1 clidd posts
In post 965, clidd wrote:Regardless, it's a decent vote for information. I'll give a try:

VOTE: Infinity 324
In post 1367, clidd wrote:Moving on (before going back to Nakata)

VOTE: Infinity 324

Do you have any takes besides Nakata/Ircher?

pedit: I want to know all of those (literally)
In post 1636, clidd wrote:I need to ask some specific questions for Infinity, but I didn't feel any malicious intent in the way she's been approaching the game. She's still reserved compared to my experience with town!she, but no scumping on her last set of posts. So, fine. Not super towny or transparent, but fine.
In post 1780, clidd wrote:Personally speaking, I prefer to keep the pool between Ircher and Nakata.

A wagon on Infinity doesn't look very good in the period of time that we have and there are worse slots than Infinity to elim (more informative too).
In post 1923, clidd wrote:My problem with the scum!Infinity theory is that she could've just avoided posting sus stuff like "Ircher towny" and keeping coasting until forced to react to a wagon on her.
In post 1968, clidd wrote:Sorry, I'm not seeing.

But I wouldn't mind being wrong if an Infinity wagon materializes in elim (and also a scumflip).

ok, i'm gonna make like... an inverse of a read here that i made when i was scumreading infinity on day 1.

so, my "tell" on infinity was that she seemed to weakly call ircher scum, then disappear when people were actually trying to kill him, then appear at the last second to go "no no guys ircher is actually townie ahaha". now obviously, this was both right and wrong (because fucking silent star), but clidd's progression on infinity strikes me in a sorta... similar way?

like clidd starts off by calling infinity scummy, then votes her, then unvotes her on ??? reasoning, and keeps townreading and defending her on ??? reasoning, but it's obviously such a defense that wouldn't convince anyone. i did call them weird at the time, but once infy flipped red i didn't think much of it because the posts looked too bad to be scum/scum because i really don't think they were meant to convince anyone. but opposite wincons, no? when looked back in that light, they make *much* more sense. defense for the sake of defending and looking good later, but not one that actually stops anyone.

however, my other problem here is that if clidd is scum, who is he scum with? mainly, he went into the day going "flip ydra/tweetie/tanner, ez", and i don't think scum!him goes "yeah like flip these three townies and get 3/4ths of the way there for town's wincon lol ecksdee". i thought that would mean partner must be there (and fmpov can only be ydra, which would make sense if pooky is correct), but now he's swapped to mt/pooky/tanner, and now i'm paranoiaing pooky/clidd because i *still* think scum!clidd doesn't hand town 75% of their wincon to try to gain towncred that way

because if pooky is scum here and he flips first, everything he said is wifom, no? or goes for whoever flips red first, if they do.
Scum!Pooky couldn’t be arsed to put this much effort into such detailed and nuanced solving. Those screencaps he posted are exactly what he did in our Discord to solve my tm game.

Pooky is bleeding obvtown here for lots of reasons
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Post Post #3876 (isolation #568) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:30 am

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In post 3873, Tanner wrote:i had a thought that was like
what if we yeet whoever we think is really townie here which is tweetie right
and then
and then fucking hectic goes "achkhually nevermind that was a lie earlier, the wincons are standard shit, you just yeeted your most townie person fuck you"

what gave me this idea was the fact that yin originally said there were 4 criminals, and (i think?) he seemed to say criminals = scum, but we know (1) yin and yang are opposites and (2) yang is in a mason pt so logically yin is scum but if yin is scum then surely he's a criminal too?? so maybe there's only one scum alive and we will go insane partnerhunting partners that don't exist
The obvious problem with that is that Yin can’t be sentenced. No I believe it because scum’s true wincon was revealed in D3 in Royalty and it didn’t change.
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Post Post #3883 (isolation #569) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:38 am

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In post 3875, Tanner wrote:pooky is one of my stronger townreads, yeah. but talking about possible scum!clidd partner (i saw you said you think it's clidd/flea), do you really think that that is likely? that scum!clidd waltzes into endgame like this and just starts correctly pushing townies in a way that gives him very little to no towncred? like, scum!clidd isn't a gamethrower, what is he doing here?
Idk but I’m having a hard time thinking it isn’t Flea. It’s possible Pooky could be right on Ydra but outside of the whole conviction thing, I’m not really seeing it. Scum!Ydra does these weird hedgey kinds of posts but I do definitely believe Pooky thinks this because he keeps asking Tweetie to persuade him on her Ydra tr.

But after Pooky and Tweetie, you and Chara seem to be doing the most solving.

Well, you may be right. I would like to see Ydra doing some more solving. I know she’s not feeling well but then apparently so is Chara and that’s not stopping it.
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Post Post #3889 (isolation #570) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:41 am

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In post 3881, Ydrasse wrote:yin is hectic there is only one scum left other than him this is the game we're supposed to vote the mod
Could be, that would explain the well timed detonate on Ircher.
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Post Post #3890 (isolation #571) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:43 am

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In post 3887, Ydrasse wrote:im gonna be real with you i want to be doing things but i am sick and very much just not in a place where i want to be posting much at all beyond meme/low effort, i know chara wanted me to reply to its towncase but mafia isnt doing me wonders rn
In post 3888, Ydrasse wrote:its shitty but after the other night im kind of backburnering everything
Well feel better then, we have time. Didn’t mean to pressure you or anything. <3
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Post Post #3895 (isolation #572) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:50 am

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In post 3891, Ydrasse wrote:if i have the spoons ill post some stuff =) we're not in a rush though so maybe the weekend will be kinder
I empathize. I had this horrific flue the summer before the pandemic started and I tried to play mafia when I was for all practical intents and purposes completely delirious.

It actually helped me win Gay Dance as scum because my illness forced me to sleep through it. :lol:

However it hurt me getting tr in Vengeful Ghosts. \_0_/
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Post Post #3897 (isolation #573) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:56 am

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In post 3893, Tanner wrote:
In post 3883, Amy Dunne wrote:Idk but I’m having a hard time thinking it isn’t Flea. It’s possible Pooky could be right on Ydra but outside of the whole conviction thing, I’m not really seeing it. Scum!Ydra does these weird hedgey kinds of posts but I do definitely believe Pooky thinks this because he keeps asking Tweetie to persuade him on her Ydra tr.

But after Pooky and Tweetie, you and Chara seem to be doing the most solving.

Well, you may be right. I would like to see Ydra doing some more solving. I know she’s not feeling well but then apparently so is Chara and that’s not stopping it.
flea could be scum. like the whole thing around eod1 of sitting on my wagon then going on nakata then back to sitting on my wagon for the next two days is ???. but i feel like i keep banging my head against the wall because flea by far feels like the most anti-town slot but what does scum!flea think fae is doing here? those wallposts against me certainly aren't going to get fae ascended? like what is the endgame? fae keeps talking about yin wifom but fae is actually betting on wifom surrounding faer slot to get out?

i thought ydra was townie because her reads (esp her reads on me) seemed to have like, a deeper level of thought than i've seen scum!her have, but like she was pretty obvscum to me in TM so of course if she drew scum again here she would be playing differently. and maaaybe her infy/nakata partner read on d1 feels a bit tmi and pooky does bring up good points but no pair outright *makes sense* and that is why i want out
Well tbf, I also thought they were SvS too. Well it’s hard and because of that I’m a bit paranoid but I believe she’s really sick so until she feels better, that won’t get resolved.
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Post Post #3899 (isolation #574) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:01 pm

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In post 3896, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 3893, Tanner wrote:
In post 3883, Amy Dunne wrote:Idk but I’m having a hard time thinking it isn’t Flea. It’s possible Pooky could be right on Ydra but outside of the whole conviction thing, I’m not really seeing it. Scum!Ydra does these weird hedgey kinds of posts but I do definitely believe Pooky thinks this because he keeps asking Tweetie to persuade him on her Ydra tr.

But after Pooky and Tweetie, you and Chara seem to be doing the most solving.

Well, you may be right. I would like to see Ydra doing some more solving. I know she’s not feeling well but then apparently so is Chara and that’s not stopping it.
flea could be scum. like the whole thing around eod1 of sitting on my wagon then going on nakata then back to sitting on my wagon for the next two days is ???. but i feel like i keep banging my head against the wall because flea by far feels like the most anti-town slot but what does scum!flea think fae is doing here? those wallposts against me certainly aren't going to get fae ascended? like what is the endgame? fae keeps talking about yin wifom but fae is actually betting on wifom surrounding faer slot to get out?

i thought ydra was townie because her reads (esp her reads on me) seemed to have like, a deeper level of thought than i've seen scum!her have, but like she was pretty obvscum to me in TM so of course if she drew scum again here she would be playing differently. and maaaybe her infy/nakata partner read on d1 feels a bit tmi and pooky does bring up good points but no pair outright *makes sense* and that is why i want out
Guess what nerds. FOMO and a god complex stop me leaving the game for long.

Lemme make this perfectly clear.

I, have ZERO intention of being removed from this game. I will remain in the pit at end-game. Anything suggesting otherwise, anything scumcasing me, is busywork and not productive for town. If i am scum or not, does. not. matter. at. this. point. and hasn't for a long time.
You also self-voted as a play to get tr in Royalty which backfired and Idk why you keep repeating this?

I just can’t understand how you can be so tunnelled on a Tanner/Chara team because that’s what scum!Yin said.
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Post Post #3902 (isolation #575) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:08 pm

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In post 3898, Tanner wrote:take that i'm not sure makes sense - *if* flea is scum, then faer partner is non-me, non-chara, and they are arguing against yin and pushing for my yeet. i think, if flea is scum here, they need one of me/chara out of this game asap. because fae has committed to screaming how yin is right until fae gets proven wrong, right? and if fae wants to ascend, fae should be broken out of that tunnel asap so that fae can start townspewing in a more... traditional ig sense? so the more time for that, the better?

i tried to remember why i wrote out chara being scum with flea in the first para (not talking about its broader play, i feel like i had some specific associate reason) but other than "flea is trying to murder criminals" i don't even have one, like flea has specifically been trying to murder me rather than flea

and the fact that i cannot remember what i was thinking 3 minutes ago is a sign that recent insomnia is getting to me and that i should try to get more than 6 hours of sleep tonight

i feel like i haven't in a long time
I don’t understand faer certainly on a you/Chara team because of what Yin said. Had he not actually detonated Ircher, I could understand it but as I already pointed out, if either of you flipped scum, the other obviously isn’t getting sentenced, which is why I can’t understand how Flea believes this makes an iota of sense.
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Post Post #3906 (isolation #576) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:12 pm

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In post 3845, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:tweetie can you please convince me of ydra-town because I am not getting there on my own :<
@Tanner, scum!Pooky never makes this kind of post.
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Post Post #3909 (isolation #577) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:15 pm

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In post 3904, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 3899, Amy Dunne wrote:
In post 3896, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 3893, Tanner wrote:
In post 3883, Amy Dunne wrote:Idk but I’m having a hard time thinking it isn’t Flea. It’s possible Pooky could be right on Ydra but outside of the whole conviction thing, I’m not really seeing it. Scum!Ydra does these weird hedgey kinds of posts but I do definitely believe Pooky thinks this because he keeps asking Tweetie to persuade him on her Ydra tr.

But after Pooky and Tweetie, you and Chara seem to be doing the most solving.

Well, you may be right. I would like to see Ydra doing some more solving. I know she’s not feeling well but then apparently so is Chara and that’s not stopping it.
flea could be scum. like the whole thing around eod1 of sitting on my wagon then going on nakata then back to sitting on my wagon for the next two days is ???. but i feel like i keep banging my head against the wall because flea by far feels like the most anti-town slot but what does scum!flea think fae is doing here? those wallposts against me certainly aren't going to get fae ascended? like what is the endgame? fae keeps talking about yin wifom but fae is actually betting on wifom surrounding faer slot to get out?

i thought ydra was townie because her reads (esp her reads on me) seemed to have like, a deeper level of thought than i've seen scum!her have, but like she was pretty obvscum to me in TM so of course if she drew scum again here she would be playing differently. and maaaybe her infy/nakata partner read on d1 feels a bit tmi and pooky does bring up good points but no pair outright *makes sense* and that is why i want out
Guess what nerds. FOMO and a god complex stop me leaving the game for long.

Lemme make this perfectly clear.

I, have ZERO intention of being removed from this game. I will remain in the pit at end-game. Anything suggesting otherwise, anything scumcasing me, is busywork and not productive for town. If i am scum or not, does. not. matter. at. this. point. and hasn't for a long time.
You also self-voted as a play to get tr in Royalty which backfired and Idk why you keep repeating this?

I just can’t understand how you can be so tunnelled on a Tanner/Chara team because that’s what scum!Yin said.
Yeah, because I have absolutely limitless range as scum and I fully believed in Isis ability to carry me, I was also slightly annoyed because I absolutely should have been stumped in SS3 but for some reason, wasn't.

Difference is here, I am aiming for an end-game sceanario where I win without being eliminated.

I am actually going to lose my shit at the sheer blindness of people here.
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What is your point? Yin and Yang are both scum?
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Post Post #3910 (isolation #578) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:16 pm

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In post 3907, Flea The Magician wrote:Just treat this game like I'm no longer in it.

Amy you're a double voter. have fun.
You mean you’ll sheep me?
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Post Post #3912 (isolation #579) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:18 pm

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In post 3911, Tanner wrote:
In post 3906, Amy Dunne wrote:
In post 3845, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:tweetie can you please convince me of ydra-town because I am not getting there on my own :<
@Tanner, scum!Pooky never makes this kind of post.
i don't get why that post is out of pooky!scumrange, but i'm townreading pooky anyway so
A lot of what he’s done here is out of his scumrange.
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Post Post #3916 (isolation #580) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:47 pm

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In post 3913, Tanner wrote:i mean, i am kind of interested why a post like , which seems to be just "can you talk about this read we disagree on" is out of scumrange for someone with such a good scumgame

like again i think he's town here i just genuinely don't get why he's town for that
There’s just so many things he’s done in this game. He’s just never scum here.
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Post Post #3917 (isolation #581) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:47 pm

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In post 3914, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 3909, Amy Dunne wrote:
In post 3904, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 3899, Amy Dunne wrote:
In post 3896, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 3893, Tanner wrote:
In post 3883, Amy Dunne wrote:Idk but I’m having a hard time thinking it isn’t Flea. It’s possible Pooky could be right on Ydra but outside of the whole conviction thing, I’m not really seeing it. Scum!Ydra does these weird hedgey kinds of posts but I do definitely believe Pooky thinks this because he keeps asking Tweetie to persuade him on her Ydra tr.

But after Pooky and Tweetie, you and Chara seem to be doing the most solving.

Well, you may be right. I would like to see Ydra doing some more solving. I know she’s not feeling well but then apparently so is Chara and that’s not stopping it.
flea could be scum. like the whole thing around eod1 of sitting on my wagon then going on nakata then back to sitting on my wagon for the next two days is ???. but i feel like i keep banging my head against the wall because flea by far feels like the most anti-town slot but what does scum!flea think fae is doing here? those wallposts against me certainly aren't going to get fae ascended? like what is the endgame? fae keeps talking about yin wifom but fae is actually betting on wifom surrounding faer slot to get out?

i thought ydra was townie because her reads (esp her reads on me) seemed to have like, a deeper level of thought than i've seen scum!her have, but like she was pretty obvscum to me in TM so of course if she drew scum again here she would be playing differently. and maaaybe her infy/nakata partner read on d1 feels a bit tmi and pooky does bring up good points but no pair outright *makes sense* and that is why i want out
Guess what nerds. FOMO and a god complex stop me leaving the game for long.

Lemme make this perfectly clear.

I, have ZERO intention of being removed from this game. I will remain in the pit at end-game. Anything suggesting otherwise, anything scumcasing me, is busywork and not productive for town. If i am scum or not, does. not. matter. at. this. point. and hasn't for a long time.
You also self-voted as a play to get tr in Royalty which backfired and Idk why you keep repeating this?

I just can’t understand how you can be so tunnelled on a Tanner/Chara team because that’s what scum!Yin said.
Yeah, because I have absolutely limitless range as scum and I fully believed in Isis ability to carry me, I was also slightly annoyed because I absolutely should have been stumped in SS3 but for some reason, wasn't.

Difference is here, I am aiming for an end-game sceanario where I win without being eliminated.

I am actually going to lose my shit at the sheer blindness of people here.
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What is your point? Yin and Yang are both scum?
actually given how blind you are, I'll just go back to just hammering.
What am I being blind about?
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Post Post #3920 (isolation #582) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:50 pm

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In post 3915, Morning Tweet wrote:does anyone wanna hammer test Tanner while im still alive so we can all learn what happens together? doubt a review will change that read at least and it seems like we're almost all in agreement on that. Maybe it'll help us read Flea.

Also I'm gonna take a shower and do my review finally --- sorry for taking so long !!
You mean put him to E - 1 and see if he self-hammers?
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Post Post #3922 (isolation #583) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:54 pm

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In post 2, Hectic wrote:
AWAKEN, VILLAGERS OF THE PIT!


A harsh cry jolts you from your sleep, and you awaken to unfamiliar surroundings inside a stone house of sorts. The last thing you remember is being captured and knocked out by the Royal Guard...

You leave your makeshift house to investigate. Others follow from similar houses, seeming to arise with expressions matching your own.

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A man wearing a top hat greets you all.

Welcome to your new home, friends - the pit. You're all here for crimes of treason, murder, theft, arson... you name it. However, there is a slight problem; I'm fairly certain a good amount of you are innocent and wrongfully convicted. But no matter! I'm sure if you spend some time together, you will become very good judges of each other's character. Sentence someone between yourselves to death by nightfall, good luck. Oh, and one last thing!


He points to a man and a woman standing a little apart from the main group.

This is Yin and Yang; they'll be accompanying you here in the pit. Yin may have vital information for you and will answer any question you ask. Yang may or may not have information for you and may or may not answer any questions you ask.


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I assume you mean this? @Flea
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Post Post #3924 (isolation #584) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:55 pm

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In post 3921, Tanner wrote:
In post 3916, Amy Dunne wrote:
In post 3913, Tanner wrote:i mean, i am kind of interested why a post like , which seems to be just "can you talk about this read we disagree on" is out of scumrange for someone with such a good scumgame

like again i think he's town here i just genuinely don't get why he's town for that
There’s just so many things he’s done in this game. He’s just never scum here.
again i don't disagree

i was just wondering why you singled out that post in particular

this is moreso my curiosity than anything, probably doesn't matter
There’s tons of posts I could have singled out but that one’s the most recent.
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Post Post #3928 (isolation #585) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:56 pm

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In post 3923, Flea The Magician wrote:Wow you failed that so badly we don't even have a mark for how badly you just failed.
Just explain it to me then, I’m really not in the mood to play 20 questions.
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Post Post #3932 (isolation #586) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:00 pm

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In post 3926, Tanner wrote:never saying no to a hammer test for myself, but flea's latests posts make me feel like fae is already working on the reason to Not consider me conftown after i don't hammer myself

amy, fae included pictures of yin and yang in .
Yes, that’s why I asked fae that question and being told i’m wrong is kind’ve just exasperating. Spell it out fir me. I made my guess, if it’s wrong, just correct me.
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Post Post #3938 (isolation #587) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:10 pm

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In post 3934, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 3932, Amy Dunne wrote:
In post 3926, Tanner wrote:never saying no to a hammer test for myself, but flea's latests posts make me feel like fae is already working on the reason to Not consider me conftown after i don't hammer myself

amy, fae included pictures of yin and yang in .
Yes, that’s why I asked fae that question and being told i’m wrong is kind’ve just exasperating. Spell it out fir me. I made my guess, if it’s wrong, just correct me.
Read the post until you get it. Because frankly I'm fed up of running up a 1:20 incline.
I don’t get it. You posted 2 Yin and Yang pics - the first one had them as complete opposites and the 2nd one didn’t. I’m not interested in investing anymore energy into this. Explain it to me or don’t.
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Post Post #3939 (isolation #588) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:12 pm

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In post 3937, Chara wrote:the point of the images is darkness is contained within the light, and light is contained within the darkness, that's what the circle in each half represents.
So, they’re what, 2 halves of the same coin?
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Post Post #3940 (isolation #589) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:17 pm

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In post 3936, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 3935, Tanner wrote:one is written from a town perspective the other from a scum one

town!me maybe does selfhammer immediately but won't do it if the game really doesn't want me to

scum!me always selfhammers

idk why i bother because you're gonna nitpick everything i say anyway but
depends how deep your buddy is set up
Pretty well looking at it.
This would actually make sense - if this game was exactly like Trust Fall. In the first TF game, scum!me didn’t insta self-hammer to help out my buddy who I actually wanted escaped first but it still worked out, most probably because town!NK15 tf’d my buddy who did in fact insta self-hammer.
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Post Post #3945 (isolation #590) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:24 pm

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In post 3941, Flea The Magician wrote:I really need that scoreboard.

Light and Darkness exist in balance.
Each requires the other.
Each exists within the other. It just has to be found
Shadows in the day.
Candles at night.

Yin is scum.
Yin the darkness.

Yang is town
Yang is the light.

Yin represents femininity
Yang represents masculinity.
oh shit it got reversed, oh no!!! /s

Yin is darkness that allows the light to exist and in helping the scum achieve their wincon as the simple concept of darkness the light has been given a solution.

LIGHT AND DARKNESS WHILE CONTRADICTORY ARE COMPLIMENTARY AS WELL. BOTH ARE REQUIRED FOR BALANCE.

IN ITS SIMPLEST FORM YIN HAS PROVIDED THE ANSWERS.

THIS IS A MOFUGGING SILENT STAR GAME.
GAMES WHERE THERE'S TWO MECHANICS AT WORK.

GUESS WHAT YIN AND YANG HAS?! Absolutely nothing I do sincerely apologise this has been a most regretful waste of everyones time. This is quite simply an invert game of traditional mafia. toodle pip!.
Yes and I’ve played a comparible kind of game as scum where we all had to get limmed and we did.
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Post Post #3947 (isolation #591) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:26 pm

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In post 3944, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 3940, Amy Dunne wrote:
In post 3936, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 3935, Tanner wrote:one is written from a town perspective the other from a scum one

town!me maybe does selfhammer immediately but won't do it if the game really doesn't want me to

scum!me always selfhammers

idk why i bother because you're gonna nitpick everything i say anyway but
depends how deep your buddy is set up
Pretty well looking at it.
This would actually make sense - if this game was exactly like Trust Fall. In the first TF game, scum!me didn’t insta self-hammer to help out my buddy who I actually wanted escaped first but it still worked out, most probably because town!NK15 tf’d my buddy who did in fact insta self-hammer.
...

o.o

you actually got what I was thinking...

o.o;
Except no scum!Yin in that game to wifom the scumteam.
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Post Post #3950 (isolation #592) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:40 pm

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In post 3948, Flea The Magician wrote:Yin is not scum...

Yin and Yang are the 3rd faction. They can't win, they can't lose. They have direct influence on the game.

Yin is darkness, hoping to help darkness spread.
Without Yang, Yin is nothing.
As darkness spreads, so does light, and the value of light grows.

Ever go and star gaze? You need to find as dark an area as you can get so you can see each and every speck of light.
Except Yin detonated Ircher which clearly helped scum wincon.
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Post Post #3951 (isolation #593) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:42 pm

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I’m amazed Clidd hasn’t locked Tweetie in as town yet. :o
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Post Post #3966 (isolation #594) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:00 pm

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In post 3952, Morning Tweet wrote:
In post 3943, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:are we just being trolled here
its starting to feel that way
In post 3920, Amy Dunne wrote:You mean put him to E - 1 and see if he self-hammers?
Yes. I'd like to conftown him to see what Flea does.
In post 3860, Amy Dunne wrote:Or Flea and Clidd? Idk but I’m asking you why is Chara scum? I want to understand why it’s being scumread.
Aside from having a strong belief in Tanner/Pooky/Ydrasse/Flea?...

Chara feels like it's looking for a chink in the town's armour rather than solving. I think its posts are towny in a way that is expected for someone as good as scum as it -- but considering how it originally scumread me this phase, is keeping Flea on the table as long as possible.. but at the same time -- fairly hard defending clidd at the start of this phase! I think the defense on clidd was necessary for a Chara/clidd team -- Chara gave reasoning why clidd never does something as scum and hoped it would work, I think. It's necessary that the clidd townread spreads for those two to win, so naturally Chara has to hard defend clidd at this point....

Of course, there's a possibility in my mind that I fucked up on Ydrasse or Flea -- i think that'd make Chara town

clidd's early game pushes align with scum interests + he's demotivated to solve lategame = he's probably scum
Yes, that’s why my tr on him dramatically plummeted. I see, maybe?

Well I’m okay with Tanner being limmed if you want to wait until tomorrow? Personally, this back and forth with Flea and Tanner is just stalling the game atp.
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Post Post #3969 (isolation #595) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:02 pm

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In post 2885, Hectic wrote:In the early hours of the morning, you find a small piece of parchment lying on the ground of the pit. You read it aloud as the other villagers gather around you.

Spoiler:
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You have all been deceived. The Imperials have no interest in justice, they only have interest in finding the most exceptional criminals to recruit to their Royal Army, and to make use of their criminal skills. You've been under the impression that you've been sentencing people to death. In reality, being sentenced means freedom from the pit.

You do not know who I am, but I ask that you please heed my words and do not let the Mayor find out. Sentence those amongst you who you think are the most good and deserving to leave, and then perhaps... we can break this system from the inside.


TRUE Win Conditions:

There are 4 mafia and 9 town in this game. Mafia win by sentencing all 4 of their members. Town win by sentencing 5 townies. Town are under the impression they should be sentencing mafia, but once two mafia have been sentenced, the true wincons will be revealed publicly. Mafia were aware of all this.
So is Robert actually alive then? :lol:
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Post Post #3979 (isolation #596) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:09 pm

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I’m starting to doubt my Flea sr since fae actually does seem convinced. I totally don’t understand why nor agree but fae does sound really sincere.

Pooky help.
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Post Post #3989 (isolation #597) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:16 pm

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In post 3981, Morning Tweet wrote:
In post 3978, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:ok so if tanner flips scum we just never let chara out cool.
LITERALLY

YES

ALL OF THE ARGUING BETWEEN FLEA AND TANNER IS UNNECESSARY BECAUSE OF THIS SIMPLE FACT

but yes can we hammer test Tanner while im alive or do u guis wanna lim me first
If he flips town, we only need to find one more since you and Pooky are 100% locks, however if we can also townlock Ydrasse, then it won’t matter because if we can townlock one more player, we autowin this.
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Post Post #3993 (isolation #598) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:19 pm

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So you guys prefer Ydra or Tanner then?
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Post Post #4002 (isolation #599) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:23 pm

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In post 3997, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:tweet first is fine imo. she should give us her ydra town case tho b4 she selfhammers
Okay, I’m fine with that.
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