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[MattP]

Lol IceGuy is probtown

VOTE: Amrun

[MattP]

VOTE: MattP

Oh my God, you suck!

No to mass name claim.

I never said we should go along with Ice's idea, I just think it was town-motivated

[MattP]

However, yeah, unless iceguy has some kind of shinig reason to do this, let's not.

IG, "beneficial" is fine by me, but if it's a load of baloney you're eating rope and a lot of it.

God you read fake as shit

VOTE: Staeg

[MattP]

Because everyone was going waa waa that's a bad idea and youre scum for it?

unvote
vote: Bitmap

More than 80% sure this one's scum

Wow at this jump!

I don't like how quickly you jumped off of DCL and I don't like your reasoning for it.

DCL, I want to see your vote on Staeg.

[MattP]

Ooooh Staeg's comment just made sense to me. I was VERY confused.

Still, he's scum for the IceGuy fakeness I pointed out before

[MattP]

Our goal is to find scum, not lynch noobtown.

From like the 6 skype voice games I've played with Bitmap he only stated he sucked in game he was town.

Although according to his sig he's conscious of that meta by now.

[MattP]

I think what would be best for town is if everyone stopped talking IMMEDIATELY about IceGuy's role and about massclaiming, pretend it never happened, and move on.

[MattP]

Way to kill the discussion, Nexus

[MattP]

IG, "beneficial" is fine by me, but if it's a load of baloney you're eating rope and a lot of it.

Now that I'm looking back again, this is Staeg trying to pressure IceGuy into revealing more about his role.

Oh and

unvote
vote: DCLXVI

Why did you unvote and vote DCL

DCL, I still want your vote on Staeg

[MattP]

No, it's not me pressuring him into revealing anything - yet.

And I votec dcl cause his post was scummy...? Like, what other reason could I ever come up with?

It is pressuring him, it says, "tell me what your role does or I'll string you up" essentially

Why was it scummy?

[MattP]

No, it's saying "you better have that claim all good and shiny come massclaim cause I'm saving this rope just for you".

IG, "beneficial" is fine by me, but if it's a load of baloney you're eating rope and a lot of it.

BS, I don't see any reference in any of your posts to it being true come massclaim. If IceGuy thought you wanted more flavor or role info and spilled then you would've just backtracked.

There was a fallacy, a gut-scummy thing and him assuming that it's a fakeclaim rather than a normal claim (bro, for a fakeclaim to work the mod needs to assume that he could have used the role as town in the first place).

K

[MattP]

Which one of these would you assume to be what happens after a nameclaim (provided that a nameclaim itself happens):

Iceguy spills his beans and fullclaims to let everyone know why we needed a nameclaim.
He says "k thanks this will suffice" and leaves it there, claiming at a later time once he has something.
Other; explain.

(also just to make sure that this is stupidproof: IG, make no comments about this exchange until a later time)

IceGuy at first did not even say what he was doing was role-related. Only after people attacked him for it and called him scummy did he reveal it was role-related.

You adding on extra pressure of saying, "prove this is for a good reason or you're eating rope" reads as everything else that was being spewed in the moment, it was another thing to add pressure to IceGuy to reveal more about his role at

that

moment, not come a massclaim

[MattP]

You backtracking by saying it was implied he should only reveal more after a massclaim is shitty

[MattP]

Yeah, I didn't outright say "come massclaim," but how the hell did you interpret what I said in 30 as "explain NOW or you die"?

I don't even know how to respond to this.

If I said, "eat an apple" does that mean "eat an apple now" or "eat an apple tomorrow"?

[MattP]

In #41 IceGuy says more about his role, right after only you and michaelsable pushed him more.

IceGuy, what did you think of #30? Did it influence your furthered info?

[MattP]

._.

[MattP]

"I threw an unvote on IceGuy because I wasn't sure to make out of his semi-claim this early and decided to wait on it and see what else is said."

You didn't say that

Hmm, actually I think I know what you are up to and that's actually sort of townish now that you explained it.

UNVOTE:

So your story changed

[MattP]

LOL

You're so cute when you're newbtown

[MattP]

Bitmap says he is newbtown as town, that's his shtick. He's just playing like an eager newbie that's sticking his neck out too far. I especially thinks his most 104 post bleeds that.

He is not playing scum, he is not flailing, I believe the transition in his reads on Iceguy, and his 106 wouldn't come from scumBitmap because scumBitmap is not good enough to feign that indignance.

Hey Amrun, you should trust me this time cuz you never do.

[MattP]

I've played 6 games with him, I know his playstyle.

[MattP]

Have you been studying my meta?

I didn't have to, it's pretty transparent, no offense

He's aware of his own meta; look at his signature.

Yeah, that's the only thing that initially got me but his tone is believable too, not just his actions.

[MattP]

How do you know my meta in chat mafia is the same as forum mafia?

Chat mafia is the BEST indicator, because I know what you authentically sound like. You don't have time in chat to feign responses, so I know your honest tone and if you try faking it I'll see that. Also having heard you speak in mafiagames helps.

[MattP]

VOTE: Staeg

This is much better than the bitmap wagon.

HEHEHEHEHEH

HEEEHEEEHEEEHEEHEE

HAHAHAHAHA

[MattP]

Bitmap is at L-2

[MattP]

You give me disappoints quilford a lot of them

However you can live for your most recent post for diverting attention from the bitmap wagon

Also now that staeg wagon feasibilty lost steam ill say I like dcl's vote on staeg, nice n juicy

[MattP]

Reading through CO's ISO

I don't speculate about that quilford. Ask me why in a week or two

Nexus, shamrock is voting bitmap I would bold this but I'm on my phone

MSH: I used his response to clear him. That's not helping a bandwagon along

[MattP]

The things I dont like about CO are his read on quilford and his vote on bitmap. His lurkiness during the push on bitmap sucks too

I don't know how I feel about the people on it

Staegs quick jump bothers me especially because he would still vote bitmap and that wagon has steam so wtf is up with the switch

[MattP]

Let me explain this slowly for you

Bitmap had five votes and nothing has changed your scumread on him

Chaos had two votes and you switched to him as soon as a case was brought up on him

Why did you flip on a strong scumread with a big wagon that had steam

[MattP]

blublublubbluh

abluh abluh abluh

[MattP]

Dany vote staeg

[MattP]

[MattP]

[quote="In [url=http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.<a class="inlineAdmedialink" href="#">php</a>?p=4199554#p4199554]post 182[/url], Vash"]Dude, I summed up every post and put my reaction. If you want to feel like anything has been changed be my guest but pics or it didn't happen :p[/quote]
I've never played with you when you were scum, but this post is not your town play, you never joke around as town.

VOTE: Vash

I feel very confidant about this.

[MattP]

Because Quilford's convinced me to such an extent that CO is a stronger scumread?

Other than that, matt's prolly town and currently thinking dany/scooby+CO+bit/dcl

I'll just add vash to your scumlist

So I ask

Hey Staeg, besides everyone but me and you, who else is scum to you?

[MattP]

FOS: MattP

It just seems he knows too much for his own good. Other than that, I have no other reason.

Sooooo you admit that Staeg and Vash are scum?

[MattP]

Mattp Aka Shen, is obvtown, i've played with/mod a forum with (Or did rather since he
left the mod team ) I know his meta.

What are my town tells?

[MattP]

Conversely, what are my scum tells?

[MattP]

I was only on one person though until after you called me obv town

[MattP]

Lol

Pedit: you can accept this as my answer

[MattP]

Iiii like how noone is switching their votes to Vash when you all think he's scummy and the guy that's played like 100 games with him is confirming him as scum

Real classy play there

[MattP]

I don't fucking understand why the Vash wagon is not growing

[MattP]

Amrun is a townish read for me

[MattP]

I just went into my conversation with Amrun thinking she was town and read everything she posted from a town perspective. Looking back it was dumb.

[MattP]

Hey Amrun, you should trust me this time cuz you never do.

This was where I was like, "Amrun is town and I need to prove to her I'm right"

Sooo yeah she's a null read going back

[MattP]

That was kind of dumb because that pretty much confirmed Bitmap as town

[MattP]

Town. Confidant and concise, tone is genuine.

[MattP]

Town. Confidant and concise, tone is genuine.

I still don't feel the Vash scum bandwagon yet.

You can say the joking isn't a good enough reason but he has never joked in a game before. Maybe he's just nervous around a new crowd of people but I doubt it.

[MattP]

That's cuz you suck at mafia

[MattP]

To be fair vash usually calls my alignment early on the same way he did this time

[MattP]

In post 244, MattP wrote:
That was kind of dumb because that pretty much confirmed Bitmap as town


Can we go over what happened here?

Unvote in wait for this.

I missed it and I feel like it was important. I also don't think MattP would say this without reason.

I can go into why only town would put that quote in their sig in the middle of a game, but look at it yourself:

"really, really, really want to lynch Bitmap.

Unfortunately, he's probably town."

It's too annoying to explain, and I don't want to game-break with something that should have never happened.

[MattP]

Vash, you still have no scumreads, catch up please

[MattP]

I think he's saying he'll be less descriptive like, "this player said this".

[MattP]

It's not anything about him that makes me think he's conftown that you can't see yourself. Question, would scum have made that their sig at that moment that Bitmap did?

[MattP]

It had nothing to do with balls of steel >.>

It's because the quote doesn't read, "this player thought I was town but I was scum," it reads, "this player thought I was unbearable but I was town"

You putting it in your sig has the intention of reading the second way. I am of course assuming you quoted it sincerely.

Unless you used your sig quoting as a tactic to look town, which is just poor play.

[MattP]

Amrun is town, NEXT.

[MattP]

iDanyboy **
MichelSablehart
ChaosOmega
DCLXVI
Shamrock
Vash
Staeg

^Scums in here that is all

[MattP]

I've been thinking shamrock for awhile but was doing my tunneling on Vash

VOTE: Shamrock

[MattP]

Scooby has already (correctly) jumped on this post, but why would you even ask a question like this? The intent of Bitmap's question is so obviously transparent (in keeping with the "noobtown" thing) that you'd have to be an idiot not to realize it, so presumably you do realize it, which means you're doing literally the exact same thing that your question is implicitly criticizing Bitmap for doing (i.e. fishing for a suspicious reaction). Except what you've done is like 20x as scummy as what Bitmap did: Bitmap was at least fishing on someone he was trying to get a read on, whereas you are fishing on someone you've clearly made up your mind about already (8 of your 10 posts past the RVS/massclaim discussion have been attacking Bitmap) presumably to gather more evidence for a lynch.

<blablabal>

Switching vote to Amrun, for the moment at least.
UNVOTE: Bitmap
VOTE: Amrun

These parts made my scumdar buzz

[MattP]

Switching vote to Amrun,

for the moment at least.

Switching vote to Amrun,

for the moment at least.

Switching vote to Amrun,

for the moment at least.

Hey shamrock, why did you vote Amrun and then say that

It ruins any sort of pressure because you seem unconfident in your read

[MattP]

I'm indecisive, you don't see me using predetermined backtracking

[MattP]

Confirm vote Shamrock

[MattP]

I will go back to vash the second that becomes reality

[MattP]

CO smells more than Shamrock.

CO is odorless.

[MattP]

Ok, vash is really stalling and I feel like the lack of pressure on him is not helping. I want his attention.

VOTE: Vash

Time to actually do something.

[MattP]

Vash pressure now

[MattP]

SHUDDUP BITMAP JUST SHUDDUP

[MattP]

@MattP: in #187, you say that you've never seen Vash as scum. In #222, you call yourself "the guy that's played like 100 games with him", and use this to argue that your scumread on him can be trusted. It seems to me there's a contradiction there. Explanation please?

I've played like 100 games with Vash yet he has never been scum in them. He can verify this.

[MattP]

Also my gut doesn't like michels last post but idk why

Shamrock case is like a page ago and is two posts one from me one from amrun you can read them

[MattP]

I think I know why I don't like michel but I'll reveal it if he continues to do it.

[MattP]

Then why do you feel you can accurately judge his scummeta, as you seem to imply in #222?

Because I know his town play like the back of my hand

Vash is also being incredibly lurky. He is the most vocal town player I've ever played with. He has a completed Newbie game here, look at it for reference.

[MattP]

Oh give me a fucking break, wtf is up with these cheap punches at "scumslips" recently? If you don't add a conditional it's a scumslip? Absolute fucking bullshit, people don't always say, "If I was scum, not that I am," what a fucking idiotic argument. MSH find a better lead because that's shit

[MattP]

Sorry, not in a good mood right now, I overreacted

[MattP]

MSH, you've been walking on eggshells with your tone towards everyone this entire game, are you afraid to hurt someone's feelings?

[MattP]

aaaalso this is kinda wrong

[MattP]

From my extensive meta I just performed on you in the past five minutes, MSH, you are more aggressive in your town meta than you're being here

[MattP]

This game is getting too laggy

Everyone top three scumreads now.

Vash
Staeg
Shamrock/chaos/MSH I can't decide

[MattP]

I really hope Vash gets to responding tomorrow.

It's holding the game up since we're on page 15 and he still has no reads really >.>

[MattP]

Vash isn't getting off with this play.

[MattP]

WHAT ABOUT SHAMROCK

We can worry about Shamrock later, primary goal is to get Vash to talk right now

Vash, do something tonight or replace because you're holding things up >.> Sorry bro

[MattP]

Go on with the DCL read please.

[MattP]

I just want Vash to respond why is this so hard

[MattP]

MSH, you've been walking on eggshells with your tone towards everyone this entire game, are you afraid to hurt someone's feelings?

[MattP]

Plus he asks a lot of questions that are just plain fucking obvious so that he looks like he's scumhunting

[MattP]

MattP: Why did you want me to elaborate?

Because I have a null-scum read on him, but your explanation doesn't change my opinion of him in the least.

[MattP]

So basically, you do it the other way round than anybody else?

Or at least claim it when it's convenient because a wagon has formed?

Oh come on >.< This is the first attempt you've done at scumhunting and it sucks, find a better lead.

[MattP]

What am I looking for exactly?

[MattP]

Vash has been prod-dodging for five days now. Can he please be replaced if he doesn't post content by tonight Nexus?

[MattP]

I don't think I need to make a case on you. You're doing it better than I ever could.

Oh God this post is bad on so many levels.

[MattP]

Ok the reason I was dissuading talk about IceGuy D1 is because he was softclaiming cop but his lack of flavor knowledge about his role is suspect and he is coasting on everyone's early townreads on him. Soooo yeah not buying it.

[MattP]

Ok then I don't want to talk about it anymore.

[MattP]

VOTE: IceGuy

Actually, your info at the beginning of the game barred us from any speculation and we had to accept what you threw at us, but your play has been scummy and your role seems incredibly unorthodox. I want a fullclaim.

[MattP]

Does your role involve anything that you wouldn't know what it means?

[MattP]

How is that hard to understand? Do you KNOW you are looking for a specific thing in the nameclaim or do you NOT KNOW what you are looking for?

[MattP]

That's my business. Now stop stalling.

[MattP]

You are literally an idiot.

[MattP]

IceGuy, you are literally retarded to think I'm bad enough to rolefish unless I had a good reason.

[MattP]

MattP, settle down. One and only warning. If I have to warn you again, you're being force replaced.

What specifically should I settle down with? Insulting people?

It's not that I don't think you have a good reason. It's just that what's good for you isn't good for town.

You don't even know what my reasoning is, you're just flailing now

[MattP]

You don't even know what my reasoning is, you're just flailing now

You're rolefishing scum.

Clear enough?

OMGUS

Here are the reasons IceGuy is scum

1) He doesn't even know why I'm asking him to roleclaim

2) I as scum would never be bad enough to rolefish and would never do it as town unless I had a damn reason

3) He just flailed from a townread on me to a scumread for doubting his crappy semi-roleclaim

[MattP]

Do you KNOW you are looking for a specific thing in the nameclaim or do you NOT KNOW what you are looking for?

^This question is to be answered and the longer you wait to answer it IceGuy the more shit you're going to get for it.

[MattP]

Or, you know, I changed my read due to game happenings. In that case, you suddenly deciding you need a fullclaim

for basically no reason at all.

WHAT?

[MattP]

You don't know my reasoning yet it's for no reason at all??

[MattP]

Well, I know your reasoning. It's something along the lines of "let's see if IceGuy has a PR worth NKing".

How does answering my question reveal much more about your role? That's really all I need you to answer to figure out what's concerning me.

[MattP]

That's it as far as catchup?

[MattP]

Ftr I don't like anyone on the IceGuy wagon.

[MattP]

Mod can we have a VC?

We have two days til deadline guys.

[MattP]

VOTE: DCL

Done.

[MattP]

Your push on IceGuy is opportunistic and sucks.

"What benifit do you get if the scum off you night one?"

"and why the hell would town claim to have a PR day one? Care to explain that one ICE?"

Certain language is just for the sake of incriminating IceGuy. You're being overly aggressive in the push on him

[MattP]

You're being overly aggressive in the push on him

pot, kettle, black

Difference is that I want a question answered and am pushing him for that answer. You're pushing him for the sake of pushing with no apparent direction to it.

[MattP]

He claimed because there was pressure on him when he requested a massclaim, your question tries to incriminate him for that decision, your tunnel-vision on IceGuy this entire game sucks and it just looks like you're nervous to direct your scumreads in too many places

[MattP]

I am flailing like a bitch.

I know Vash's meta and I have to keep reminding myself he was scum. Mcstab hasn't exactly been spectacular in play either.

Deas, Mcstab lynch today and DCL tomorrow good plan amirite? I'm pretty damn confident about Vash looking back at his tone.

[MattP]

How are you flailing?

Also, why do no I not see any Shamrock or Michel in your post? D:

I can't decide on a lynch target.

Vash is confscum. Trust me. I should've stuck to my gut initially.

[MattP]

VOTE: Vash

This vote is permaparked til D1 ends.

[MattP]

VOTE: McStab

[MattP]

I want a claim.

[MattP]

Unvote

[MattP]

How would Iceguy confirm you? You don't even know his role.

[MattP]

VOTE: McStab

Fuck yeah hammer

[MattP]

vote: 666

will explain after LoL game, but this guy is practically mod-confirmed scum

Staeg is not scum

[MattP]

Shhhh

[MattP]

Because Its not like you'll be able to direct any lynches

And you're perfect for scum in lylo because you'll probably mislynch

[MattP]

Bitmap, who are the two remaining scum and the SK

Pedit: I believe staeg.

[MattP]

I meant I believe. 666

[MattP]

Bitmap, who are the two remaining scum and the SK

You counted wrong.

One scum has flipped. There are three scum and a SK. That is a standard setup

There are almost never two scum in a 13p game

[MattP]

Meh it's balanced

There are prob two goons and a godfather

[MattP]

Oh yeah I forgot tO brag about being right about vash

Sooooo HAAAA I FUCKING TOLD YOU ALL

[MattP]

Yep

[MattP]

I'll say something today as well, sorry for going mini-MIA

[MattP]

Why would he claim it this early?

This is LATE to claim if anything.

My gut tells me that him waiting to claim it makes it true, but I am having difficulty voicing why.

I think that it's protown in that...I don't know, it just doesn't feel like scum would do this.

You know what, it's because miller is supposed to be claimed in your first post and it's too stupid not too, it's not calculating enough and it therefore comes from town.

[MattP]

Matt, you said you'd played 100 games with Vash. You earlier said you'd never seen him as scum. Really?

It was a running joke on my other forum that Vash would never draw scum.

[MattP]

BLARGH I really need to catch up on this

[MattP]

Staeg is non-scum and non-SK, as is Bitmap.

[MattP]

@MattP: Echoing the requests for your scumreads.

Yep, I'll have time tomorrow to actually do shit. Hold me to that.

[MattP]

Claiming at the beginning just ends up in a quick auto-death a day-1 lynch or night 1 kill in which I end up not really doing much and being useless.

Why wouldn't you want to die again? Miller is a negative utility role.

Your goal should have been to have been so pro-town, scum was forced to kill you N1 and hit a role that isn't helping town any.

Instead, you claim it day 2, and right at the start of day 2. That was good timing for you. Worried someone investigated you overnight? I see no town benefit to claiming miller D2, but I do see scum benefit for doing so.

Why the fuck would scum NK a claimed miller?

[MattP]

^ the point

Waht?

[MattP]

Yeah except a miller no matter how protown they are will never be NKd by scum because Millers don't make it to lylo, that's the rule, and why would being a miller be any more incentive to be protown?

I'll give more reads when I'm done with this. Bitmap, IceGuy, and Staeg are obvtown. DCL is probtown, as are you. DV I haven't read the case on yet. CO is slinging mud at DCL in your shadow.

[MattP]

Point is that DCL is going to be lynched before lylo, no matter how towny he is.

[MattP]

It IS the rule, millers are ALWAYS lynched before lylo, end of story. Look at Spartacus Mini Theme for reference.

[MattP]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=22472

The "miller" was scum with me and I bussed for his death the entire game. A lot of miller theory was discussed in the game and almost all players agreed millers don't make it to lylo. You can look through it.

[MattP]

Point is that DCL is going to be lynched before lylo, no matter how towny he is.

I disagree.

I don't see what that has to do with anything

[MattP]

VOTE: ChaosOmega

[MattP]

EHH

Unvote

Ok, DCL lynch needs to happen eventually, let's just get it out of the way.

[MattP]

Intent to hammer

[MattP]

I was being dum we should be doing a dcl lynch it has to happen eventually

[MattP]

Because I wanna hammer and it's L-2

[MattP]

VOTE: CO

Let's do this, shall we?

[MattP]

Hey hey hey CO question, now when you're a kill role, does that mean that you killed Quilford or Amrun N1?

[MattP]

Aw man is something wrong CO? Got some crabs in your pants or some shit you're not looking too well ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[MattP]

Also I fucking told you all IceGuy was cop. Congratulations to IceGuy and DCL for making the dumbest moves this game.

[MattP]

Shamrock, vote CO.

[MattP]

I think it's pretty damn obvious what's going on Shamrock, so be a peach.

[MattP]

well that's really helpful

It's ok, you can die tomorrow.

[MattP]

I am not claiming today. I have role-related information that CO is scum or SK. If you don't vote CO you're his scumbuddy. That is all.

[MattP]

Ok you get bus cred shamrock good boy

Two more vote pls

[MattP]

Oh and since I'll probably die tonight I'll just say that staeg is confirmed non scum which I breadcrumbed at the beginning of day 2 in my first post, and bitmap and jarvis are strong town reads

[MattP]

Would hammer but would also want to wait for michel and stuff to come in and stuff

You're not hammering, deasvail or MSH is

[MattP]

Bullshit. Anyone can hammer that was the worst fake claim ever

[MattP]

Staeg there's no point in waiting. I didn't expect staeg to practically claim scum. He coincidentally is an odd night vig when I roleblocked him on an even night, bullshit. He admits as town he targeted amrun. I would have not taken it as a scum claim if he had claimed a non kill role

Pedit: we can direct chaos that's actually a good idea

[MattP]

Expect chaos*

[MattP]

Ok fine, I vote Shamrock.

[MattP]

VOTE: DeasVail

[MattP]

Matt, why am I confirmed non-scum?

I'm claiming tomorrow, or you'll see when I flip.

[MattP]

All right, CO actually did have amrun in his scumreads.

[MattP]

MattP: How likely do you think it that CO is SK?

Not guaranteed, I roleblocked him last night and no kill went through. There were a lot of reasons no kill could have went through, but I tunneled him on it for a reaction, and when he ended up claiming a kill role that was only active on odd days it felt fake. However, he's letting us direct his kill so he should live tonight. I don't think he should live past tomorrow.

[MattP]

I will partial claim. I gunsmithed Staeg N1 and roleblocked CO N2. I will not reveal what other abilities I have, if I have any.

[MattP]

To respond to MSH's speculation, if CO is SK the SK is probably a male to avoid the gender cop and I couldn't target him with my gunsmith ability since SKs don't have guns, which is why I only said D2 that Staeg was confirmed non-SCUM:

Staeg is

So SK is immune to investigative roles.

On top of that my RB ability was 1-shot, so he could only be targeted by tracker and by me once.

Staeg is now CONFIRMED town since I claimed him non-scum and CO claimed the second kill role. Funny that you put it as a weird maybe with no description, DV.

pedit: Ok, let me go through the numbers.

[MattP]

Actually, why are we ruling out CO as scum fake-claiming the non-scum kill role? Staeg isn't confirmed.

[MattP]

I would take the gambit of directing CO's NK. I trust my reads on Sham and DV. If we don't we go into 2v4 lylo with both DV and Sham and I don't like it.

[MattP]

Also wait how is Staeg not confirmed if you gunsmithed him?

I confirm Staeg non-scum but can still be the second kill slot assuming it's a SK (since the vig would should up positive on gunsmith result)
CO confirms he is the second kill slot
Therefore, Staeg is not scum or the second kill slot
Therefore, Staeg is town.

I could be gunsmith to give the SK more immunity or to get a false positive on a vig.

[MattP]

I like it when DV makes shitty attempts to try to distance from his scumbuddy Shamrock, it's adorable.

[MattP]

It's also scumvenient that DV only mentions Vash to say he has an undecided read on him. Shamrock did a better job of disassociating himself from Vash. Michel tries too hard to look town. Best case scenario is that we use CO to kill off two of them today/tonight, lynch CO tomorrow and lynch the last one of the michel/DV/sham trio D5. It's idiotic that we are talking about 2-2-1 fears when more than statistics go into this game. Jarvis is protown, Bitmap townslipped, Staeg is practically confirmed unless CO is weird gambit scum, and I'm obvtown. That leaves four players. CO is almost definitely not scum. That leaves three players for two scum positions. So we kill two tonight and we're good.

[MattP]

Derp derp if DV is doing that then deas is scum and you should be voting him

[MattP]

Derp derp if DV is doing that then deas is scum and you should be voting him

I want to find out if CO is SK or vig - that is important mr. matt

Securing essentialy a double lynch > knowing if chaos is a SK

[MattP]

Deas is a scum PR most likely a RBer

Pedit then you would have been bussing both your partners d1

[MattP]

That's because you're not dead yet.

Pedit: Oh really?

Yeah really, you were on sham from your first post and the vash wagon happened later. It's also scummy that you were stuck on sham the whole game when it's easier for scum to target other scum since you have a bias for scumtells from them and it helps you avoid disputes with town, plus it gives you bus cred

[MattP]

Btw Shamrock, I think it would be best if we end this charade of attacking each other and band together against Matt or something.

LOL

[MattP]

WHERE IS MY BUS CRED?

Hey hey hey deas question when was the exact moment in your flailing where you gained a desperate semblance of hope that you could start a lynch on someone you've been calling town all game? ;D lol

[MattP]

Stay in your corner bitmap

[MattP]

Btw Shamrock, I think it would be best if we end this charade of attacking each other and band together against Matt or something.

OH BUT WAIT I THOUGHT SHAM WAS A SCUMREAD FOR YOU ALL GAME

confirm vote deasvail

[MattP]

You are the king of flailure

[MattP]

I only see me, bitmap, and jarvis.?

Did CO vote too?

Chaos you better target sham tonight

GL town

You should hammer now chaos isn't going to give us anything else

[MattP]

unvote

Stupid

[MattP]

I thought about shooting Bitmap because I felt he was being fairly useless for town, but everyone was saying he was conf-town pretty much, so I went with Amrun.

I think a lot of people are bummed out about hearing this.

Yea that quote btw pretty much confirms co as SK or VI

[MattP]

No you're a village idiot for considering shooting a player because "they're useless"

[MattP]

VOTE: DeasVail

[MattP]

Male

This is the dumbest popcorn ever. As soon as IceGuy flipped it was obvious that females were bad.

Popcorn to Staeg

[MattP]

I wish we would of listened to IceGuy in the beginning. We could of nailed this game by day 1. I presume Nexus gave all the scum fake role PMs.

I have a wild feeling that scum know that females are mafia. Iceguy did nothing effective but claim cop D1. It was a terrible move and probably worse than the miller fakeclaim.

[MattP]

Uhhhh if it's 2-2-1 doesn't the mafia win when he is lynched? Am I missing something?

^This actually

[MattP]

No, we actually should be doing this:

VOTE: CO

I changed my mind.

[MattP]

If scum has a RBer they will WIFOM the shit out of us if DV flips town.

[MattP]

If scum has a RBer they will WIFOM the shit out of us if DV flips town.

[MattP]

Think about it. DV town, scum RB CO and kill him, now we don't know if it was Sham trying to prevent his kill or not. WIFOMed the fuck out of us, we will be in lylo, horrible position.

[MattP]

Iceguy never breadcrumbed an inno or guilty read. I assume he had enough common sense to know that female = scum. He was probably RBd N1 and N2. I'd bet scum has a RB'er. I feel pretty confident that DV is scum but tomorrow will suck if:

A) we are in a potential 2-2-1
B) scum WIFOM us and kill CO

CO should be the death today.

pedit: I have been looking through DVs meta and he is always a strong lynch candidate as town.

[MattP]

Jarvis, if DV is scum who is his partner?

[MattP]

But for a solid answer, Michel, because DV/Shamrock would have quit the silly distancing by now and realised that they're fucked if CO doesn't die today.

Think about it. DV town, scum RB CO and kill him, now we don't know if it was Sham trying to prevent his kill or not. WIFOMed the fuck out of us, we will be in lylo, horrible position.

Uh, what if we lynch CO and he's town? It's literally the same thing tomorrow if we lynched DV and CO got killed minus the WIFOM (which is easily ignored). What if CO is a bulletproof SK?

Anyway, CO dying is only beneficial to us. Scum have 3 confirmed town to plow through. I just don't see "WIFOM" as a good argument for CO being lynched today.

I think we're in a pretty shitty position regardless. I thought over is and I want the following to happen:

Lynch DV

CO shoots MSH

Lynch Sham tomorrow.

I think MSH is scum over Sham. Sham and Vash don't fit as well as buddies and MSH makes a lot of "look at me, I'm town!" posts.

Can we agree on CO targeting MSH tonight?

[MattP]

My gunsmith ability says it works for players with guns so there are several possibilities. First that some mafia are immune to gunsmith investigations like the godfather. Second that my ability can only detect the serial killer in which case CO is third party. Third that CO is scum and I roleblocked him and he is fakeclaiming vig.

[MattP]

I
Drink I thAm sorry I think that it's pretty damn obviously that dv is scum and I am willing to bet the game on his scum flip we should lynchdv and shoot msh it's obvious and the. We win gg this is so ficking easy

[MattP]

VOTE: deasvail

[shoot] msh tonight [/shoot]

Towns win so fuckinf easy

[MattP]

Co you better be fickig town I fucking swear

[MattP]

Whatever Fucking lunch co tomorrow it its not game idgaf

[MattP]

I gave all the role related info I have regarding my gunsmith ability.

[MattP]

Msh is just trying to look like he is doing something. We will have him shot tonight no problem