Open 521: Jungle Republic (Alright. We'll call it a draw)

[Yggdra Union]

VOTE: ferretlover

Hi. We'll be signing our posts.

-Luciana

[Yggdra Union]

And I would be the other head.

-Aegina

[Yggdra Union]

Btw

@Fuzzylogic: Can you get an avatar? It would be easier to determine who's posting via avatars

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[size=70]Like this.[/size]

Like this.

-Luciana

[Yggdra Union]

Fuzzylogic just look like a newbie to me.

-Luciana

[Yggdra Union]

That must be DP head.

/runs

-Luciana

[Yggdra Union]

Here's my read so far:

The ONLY person who has given any town/scum leaning is fuzzy. Stating that a scum will give themselves away with an obvious action, then voting for Gnomeo "with that said...". I could say this is obvious scum but then again it is also just stating facts that everyone is aware of, followed by a random vote. So yeah, nothing major yet, though I am personally keeping an eye on Fuzzy...for now.

Anyone else wanna throw in their 2 cents?

You're saying you have a lean on them. But you're not even sure yourself.

Also saying that it was "obvious scum" but then retracting it on THE SAME SENTENCE.

You're twitching my radar.

-Aegina

[Yggdra Union]

Sorry for the double post, but to Yggdra. Saying "I could say blah blah but then again.." Means that I see where someone could attack with this but I'm personally dismissing it because it's an RV.

It's not about that.

But about you saying it as "obvious scum"

-Aegina

[Yggdra Union]

VOTE: Klick

VOTE: Klick

[Yggdra Union]

^
-Luciana

[Yggdra Union]

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I think Boom was just fishing for a scum-reaction from me with what he said early on, however aggressive he may have been with it.

What do you think what kind of "scum reaction" he wanted to see?
-Luciana

[Yggdra Union]

VOTE: Klick

VOTE: Klick

Just so you know

Klick is scum in every jungle republic game

[Yggdra Union]

^
-Aegina

Dammit now I also forget to sign >w>

[Yggdra Union]

If you said "he's posting elsewhere," that's not against the rules.
But since you specified the exact game, that's against the rules for discussing ongoing games.

-Luciana

[Yggdra Union]

Why are all of you people piling onto Klick?

Exaggeration noted.

I think Boom was just fishing for a scum-reaction from me with what he said early on, however aggressive he may have been with it.

What do you think what kind of "scum reaction" he wanted to see?
-Luciana

Just a bad vibe, maybe me being ultra defensive.

Ok. Noted.

Also I think fuzzy is town.

[Yggdra Union]

^
-Luciana

I'll get used to signing someday.

[Yggdra Union]

I've just been phoneposting across the board to check in. There's honestly not enough here to really say anything substantial with the time I have, besides "Will post later tonight."

Will post later tonight.

Klick bby you know you can do early play better than this regardless of alignment!

-Luciana

[Yggdra Union]

Well, I COULD make a bunch of crap up and pretend it's productive scumhunting... or I could be blunt and say there's literally nothing to scumhunt from. I'll go with the latter.

Ah well. At this rate, I'm probably gonna get lynched anyways because no one's doing anything.

VOTE: Klick

Really klick? You're not even trying like last time.

-Aegina

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Klick unvote yourself it isn't cute.

Have you noticed his self vote before you posted?

[Yggdra Union]

^
-Aegina.

Dammit really

[Yggdra Union]

I'm gonna coast around until 28th because I have a limited access and reading/analyzing all these posts with my phone is pain.
So... I'm handing all the responsibility to Aegina until then!
Hopefully Aegina won't hurt me for this.

TL;DR
Luciana is going to be in V/LA until 28th.

-Luciana

[Yggdra Union]

My votes had nothing to do with whether or not I was going to get mod killed or not .

Followed by...

I change my mind bc i was not sure the evidence I was using against Klick was legal or not.

VOTE: fuzzy noob card+lie+lie+lie+contradiction+contradiction+shit. 'nuff said.

Woah woah woah. What an opportunistic vote...

Don't claim yet fuzzy.

Why put him at L-1 then say "Don't claim yet"?

Doesn't makes sense.

You contradicted yourself again.

Oh do quote where fuzzy made contradictions. Instead of just saying "oh shit contradictions hahaha vote L-1 but don't claim"

-Aegina

[Yggdra Union]

Also... Don't give me the "NO UNTIL SOMEONE CLAIMS INTENT" reason.

It'd be alot more genuine if the claim was said before the intent because of the willingness of claim (That's with my experience, anyways)

-Aegina

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Hey I'm back and will catch up properly tomorrow.

Can everyone get off Fuzzy now? He's probably town.

Finally someone realizes!

-Luciana

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I love how I'm barely doing shit and there's not a single vote on me.

Digging elle's posts.

Also I could've sworn that one of us voted him already.
VOTE: ferret

-Luciana

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: BOOMSHAKALAKA

Sounds great!

-Luciana

[Yggdra Union]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: ferret

[Yggdra Union]

If you don't like ferret wagon, you should be doing something about it without just looking it and commenting on it from the side.

-L

[Yggdra Union]

Obviously werewolf went for mafia hunt.

-Luciana

[Yggdra Union]

That.

Or the fact that everybody has been calling fuzzy newbtown. >.>

-Aegina

[Yggdra Union]

And

Everyone calling fuzzy newb town, maybe even wherewolves, I don't think that they are mafia hunting.

Because

If they were mafia hunting, why fuzzy? If we do not call fuzzy a newb town, then he probably wouldn't die.

Because they would be wasting a kill on a scummy person which we would lynch anyways.

So they are semi-conf-town-something hunting.

I don't have too much time to go back through the game for now because of my mid terms

but

I would probably say

scum is within

people who said that he's newb town or something.

-Aegina

[Yggdra Union]

I don't have too much time to go back through the game for now because of my mid terms

but

I would probably say

scum is within

people who said that he's newb town or something.

-Aegina

So, I was kind of stumped after that NK - and this looked interesting. What was more interesting was that the people who call fuzzy town the most is between baldeagle and that other head of yours.

Althooooough, baldeagle was the only one to actually refer to fuzzy as 'newb town' (32, 94, 269) whereas Luciana only refers to him as town (36, 132, 288) as opposed to 'newb town', if that was the distinction you were trying to make?

Well that means

That I could go for baldeagle

But

I have to talk to my dear sister about this.

-Aegina

[Yggdra Union]

And also...

If Luciana-nee was calling him town rather than "noob town"

Then

That would be different because of different reasoning.

[Yggdra Union]

You had to know I was going to ask:

What's the reasoning?

IDK. I'll ask Luciana-nee

^

Took a look at Ace, like I promised.

Spoiler: Ace ISO

All of the early posts where basically attacking Fuzzy. Going for the easy newbie lynch.

i personally self voted at least once as town on a previous account.
JS

@ferret. you're guess is as good as mine. Your vibe certainly is a tiny bit scummy imo. nothing you've said just more attitude. but it's seriously not even worth a FoS to me at this point. let alone a vote. cause you could just me a Reggie Miller guy like me.

Ok, take note where he says that ferret is a bit scummy.

fuzzy. you not only played the noob card, you lied and contradicted yourself claiming you didn't. and then lied claiming you didn't contradict yourself.
scumy

I did this when I was a noob. This is what noobs do, they post without much thought.

i don't think there is much to say.....

I think fuzzy should claim. as nobody else seems remotely scummy, and we need to move on

Rolefish much?

totally not expecting that NK, will post more when I've had time to think

I don't know about you guys, but I played on a different site and when talking about the logic behind night kills is usually a scum slip and here's why:
Scum feels the need to justify their action to others since they spent their time thinking about it. So, he says that he needs to think then he posts his logic:

Why would they do that? werewolves win even if the mafia survive. In fact it's too the werewolves advantage to have someone else taking heat, distracting from them. The werewolves have no incentive to kill off the mafia

Boom's my biggest candidate. Lurking, but appearing just in time for a hammer, is suspicious to me. Perhaps more so because i didn't think ferret was scum, but still it seems like it was unnecessary. I mean ferret didn't even get time to claim. which is always a problem for me

Just because someone hammerred on someone that you didn't think was scum for you doesn't mean that the person that hammerred is scummy. Also, it's Saki always quickhammers.

So, I think he's scum.

VOTE: aceofspades

Eagle might have made less sense than Fuzzy. Actually, I can't say that truthfully. I'd say more along the lines of Eagle making very VERY weak points, paired with obvious facts and metas.


Yes, he clearly stated that Ferret was kind of scummy, as anyone would say should they think that someone is scummy.

If we can all take a look back, and correct me if I'm wrong, but Fuzzy DID say that he was only new to the site. Reading again, I don't think he ever tried the newbie card, people just slapped it on him due to poor logic and grammar.

.....Rolefishing. Really? THAT'S rolefishing? Saying someone should claim when they're on the chopping block?

The 4th post I can get behind because I've seen it happen a lot.

Disregarding the meta of Saki, quickhammers

usually

do mean scummy. Especially when given no reason or justification afterwards (or during)


That whole post was a mix of bad reasoning and somewhat obvious genera-metas. I'm not convinced

Krazy looks town.

Yeah I'm just a VT so there's really not anything outstanding

Why would you even claim for no reason?

To prove his point

that claiming on this game

IS SHIIIIIIIIIIT

So TIP town or something

FoS: Baldeagle

Just because

I don't vote on hydras.

Plus I would like nee-chan to vote for me

So consider this 50% vote

[Yggdra Union]

^
-Aegina

KIOUYAUHIJPDIUIYAUDI

[Yggdra Union]

You had to know I was going to ask:

What's the reasoning?

IDK. I'll ask Luciana-nee

That one part about willing to back up because of against the site rule thing felt town to me. Giving ppl a fair chance, etc.

Also I'm not really ready for baldeagle vote yet, partly because I really wasn't paying attention and it feels like he's a easy target.

-Luciana

[Yggdra Union]

BOOM looks town to me.

Sry for not posting much but we're both busy in RL and it'll continue like that for few more days. =w=

-Luciana

[Yggdra Union]

BOOM looks town to me.

Sry for not posting much but we're both busy in RL and it'll continue like that for few more days. =w=

-Luciana

Echo

-Aegina

[Yggdra Union]

I don't think so.

From what I know

He's just being saki

-Aegina

[Yggdra Union]

Because TIP is readable in my case.

And he's town.

desu ne

-Aegina

[Yggdra Union]

My sister, obviously.

-Luciana

[Yggdra Union]

Oh hey.
I just realized that all I need is 5 solid townreads to lynch everyone else via PoE. Hehehe.
/lazy

I have townreads on following people so far:

BOOMSHAKALAKA
TheIrishPope
Elleheathen
KrazyEyeKilla7

I need one more townread and after solidifying my townreads, I can bring hell to everyone else. Sweet!

-Luciana

[Yggdra Union]

DP, if you're still around, can I see some of your scumgames?

[Yggdra Union]

-Luciana

[Yggdra Union]

I was like "what the hell you guys are talking about"

And then I counted a player list

And apparently we have 12 ppl total here, not 13 -.-

[Yggdra Union]

-Luciana

[Yggdra Union]

Even if there were 12 people in the game, it's the same thing.

You start off with 12 people which is a 7 town vs 5 scum setup.
2 town is dead. So, it's 5:5. But if you were to be town, it would really be 4:5. So you need 4 town reads then PoE to get the 5 scum.

If you were scum,
It's 5:5. You know you are scum so you can just make it 5:4. The slip here was Yggdra saying that she/he needed 5 town reads in order to PoE. That's a slip because you basically called yourself scum by saying that because there would be 4 other town if you were town.

I wanted to explain this more into depth on how it was a slip, mathematically, since Yggdra didn't get the slip.

Except for that I assumed 13, not 12.

Anyway question for you.

If you were scum, who do you want for teammates and why?
(And no, this is not a random question.)

Also I'm gonna be out of states and prob won't post much til Sunday.

When I come back at Sunday, we (everyone) can play a little game.

Remember that 4 townreads I have, well what I'm gonna do is make a town "case" and you guys can discuss and yay/ney them.



I'm not gonna out the purpose of this "game" until I'm done though.

Also, How many days do we have left?

-Luciana

[Yggdra Union]

Nope.

5:5 or 4:5 thing is not a scum tell.

You don't count yourself in.

-Aegina

[Yggdra Union]

Sister, we apparently have 12 players, not 13.
-Luciana

[Yggdra Union]

Ack sister.

learn2count.

@Krazy: It means that she added 1 more player. Ergo, thinking that there are 13 players, minus 2 players, it would be eleven. 5:5 excluding us.

TBH I thought that sister just didn't count herself in.

Now I know why.`

Also... HORESHIT WE'RE 12 PLAYERS?!
Y WE NO NOLYNCH D1?! I hate even number players.
UUUUHHHHHGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG I hate this.

-Aegina


-Aegina

[Yggdra Union]

HOLY SHIT I HYDRA SLIPPED

[Yggdra Union]

Sister's gonna kill me ;w;

[Yggdra Union]

@Krazy: it's simple, actually.

1 more ppl means 1 more townreads that we need to PoE.

-Luciana

[Yggdra Union]

Sister's gonna kill me ;w;

You wanna lose your left eye too, no?

-Luciana

[Yggdra Union]

That's not what Aegina said.
Aegina said "why did we not NL D1? I hate even numbers!"

-Luciana

[Yggdra Union]

The whole scumslip thing?

Here, let me summarize that.

L: sweet I have 4 townreads and I need 1 more.
A: um there's only 5 town left. Is that a scumslip?
B: hell yeah. But I wanna park my vote to Om for now. (Translation: should I jump on that? It might look too opportunistic if I jump now.)
L: uh what the hell are you talking about? ...oh. I thought this was 13p game, not 12p.. my bad.
K: what's the difference?
B: none. *votes* (translation: oh hey someone else is attacking too! Time to jump!)
B: even if you assume 12p... (translation: I need to look town now! Time for some number talk!)
-note: I assumed 13p, not 12p.-

[Yggdra Union]

VOTE: baldeagle1

-Luciana and Aegina

[Yggdra Union]

Wow I really need some sleep...

[Yggdra Union]

Also, why do you keep saying that "I assumed 13p, guys" when none of us called you out for lying or anything like that? The funny thing is, I'm calling you a liar right now. We have been playing this for, oh, maybe a month now and you don't know how many people are in the game? Someone with a town mindset would have checked to make sure that they had the correct number of town reads in order to do PoE on the remaining scum.

Because krazy kept asking for clarification and you were talking of us assuming 12p.

Also what you're describing is more of a scum mindset because town don't rly care about those minor details because they just want to lynch scum. Scum, in the other hand, want to pay extra attention to those stuff because they don't want to slip in the first place. That's why those so called "slips and tells" ends up with more town lynch than a scum lynch.
/IC rant

-Luciana

[Yggdra Union]

Don't buy the other parts of the case, but this definitely stinks of opportunism.

What other parts of the case?

That was me presenting a mini-case on baldeagle disguised as an answer to krazy because I enjoy myself a humor like that.

-Luciana

[Yggdra Union]

If I was scum, I would probably want to be buddies with people that I'm familiar with. People like TiP, BOOM (I know one of the heads) and elle.

Noted. Unfortunately, this kind of answer is null.

-Luciana

[Yggdra Union]

Not answering because I plan to use it again.

-Luciana

[Yggdra Union]

Side note, sometimes I mistake 12p games for 13p games myself simply because 13p is so much more common these days.

We are the mini player! Hear us roar!

-Luciana

[Yggdra Union]

Yes.

-Luciana

[Yggdra Union]

Why sorry?
If you don't believe me, that's it.

Also if it wasn't obvious enough to you, the translation part is a case.

-Luciana

[Yggdra Union]

What words in your mouth?

All I did was explaining how your post was scum-motivated.

-Luciana

[Yggdra Union]

Your posts say otherwise.

You changed your stance from Om to me within grand total of, like, 4 posts gap.

Also the fact that you jumped on it as "lolscumslip" without even thinking of town PoV even once proves even more that your jump is opportunistic.

There's a huge difference between logic and misrep.

-Luciana

[Yggdra Union]

Also your post about "even though you assume 12p..." thing?
Now THAT is called putting words in my mouth because you used a blatantly false information (I said I assumed 13p but your "number case" says that I assumed 12p and made that "slip" which would put me in worse situation.) to accuse me of "scumslipping".

Also change the word "logic" from last post to "deduction."

-Luciana

[Yggdra Union]

But the thing is, I was thinking a 13p, so your whole point of explaining 12p thing is moot.

[Yggdra Union]

Also what I meant by town PoV, I meant "Yggdra-town PoV."

[Yggdra Union]

1. Mafia doesn't work in textbook way.
2. Nvm that. I'm assuming that everyone is "smart" enough to try to analyze our posts as both views.

[Yggdra Union]

Because I only cared about how many scums are there to lynch.
This game had a moderate amount of playersize so I auto-assumed 13p, which is far more common than 12p because daystart in the game means that the odd-numbers are more balanced than even numbers.

Adding to that, WK is not a scumtell. It all depends on the playstyle.
If someone who usually don't WK WKs someone (in your case, JasonWazza), that's most likely a scum WK.
However, I've seen Om WKing as town, so his WKing is null point.

-Luciana

[Yggdra Union]

Also re: not even knowing the player-size

Well I admit that we haven't done much. We've been both busy RL and we have like 12hrs timezone difference (last time I checked with him) so we only got together to work on our reads like few days ago.

Yes, we would've known the correct player size if we once get the full reads going.

So TL;DR

We didn't know the correct player-size because we've been uncommitted and just assumed 13p because of the moderate-sized game.

-Luciana

[Yggdra Union]

Hahaha

Once "uncommited", we now have the most posts.
Jokes are on me!

-Luciana

[Yggdra Union]

It doesn't.

VOTE: YggdraUnion

Where was the vote when you said we "scum slipped", btw?

Why wait?

ill buy that.

VOTE: baldeagle

Sheep is good. But way you sheep is baaaaaaaaaaaad.

After baldeagle this guy should die

Teehee hydra slip

FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAK

Side topic.
I just realized where your name came from, Yggdra

/fangirl

-Aegina

[Yggdra Union]

Also.

Baldeagle is throwing half-baked pies.

Proof that he doesn't have solid read on us. Meaning he's making us look like scum but knowing we are town.

Ergo, wolf.

[Yggdra Union]

Why is he a Wolf specifically?

Because mafia have daytalk.
He wouldn't jump like that if he was mafia because there should've been a coaching involved.

-Luciana

[Yggdra Union]

Why is he a Wolf specifically?

What are you, Mafia?

One scumslip might be coincidence... two scumslips is a pattern.

Seriously, why would you say "wolf" instead of "scum" unless you knew that baldeagle can't be mafia (because you know who the mafia are, i.e. you are a mafioso).

Wow

Are you

This dumb?

I guess I have to spoonfeed it to you, don't I?



Obviously we're not the same alignment.

Then that would mean he's either wolf or mafia.

But what he's trying to do, is make me look scum.

"Obviously we're not the same alignment."

Hence, wolf.

Also

You have a brain, don't you?!

USE IT!!!

I mean, come on. Doing 2 unrealistic scumslips?

THOSE AREN'T EVEN SLIPS! YOU JUST MADE IT LOOK LIKE SLIPS!

Let me retract my early sentence about ace. He could die WAY later.

This alduskell guy can die with baldeagle

-Aegina

[Yggdra Union]

Sister let me post first

[Yggdra Union]

Aegina, "scum" means both wolf and mafia, not just mafia.

-L

[Yggdra Union]

Not to me it doesn't

-Aegina

[Yggdra Union]

Mafia have daytalk but Wolves don't?

Why is he a Wolf specifically?

Because mafia have daytalk.
He wouldn't jump like that if he was mafia because there should've been a coaching involved.

-Luciana

Forgive me for doing this, sister, but

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA

Wrong setup, sis

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... e_Republic

No they don't

-Aegina

[Yggdra Union]

IIRC, mafia can't kill but have 3 ppl with daytalk, and wolves can kill but there's only two and they don't have a daytalk.
-Luciana

P-Edit: ....
Oh.

[Yggdra Union]

Well, We had a valid reason to call him wolf specifically (not anymore but we still did), so the "scum slip" doesn't apply.

-L

[Yggdra Union]

This setup.
I just always thought that this setup had mafia daytalk for some reason.

-Luciana

[Yggdra Union]

Also your 574 is moot because we clearly explained why we thought bald was a wolf specifically (even though they were both reasons via wrong knowledge).

-Luciana

[Yggdra Union]

Now-non-valid reasons*

[Yggdra Union]

guys hang your heads and hold the haranguing of miss union.

The first one is not a scum slip. At all. seriously. c'mon.

the second..... i don't know......scum usually equals, "anti-town"

I really really hate playing with hydras sometimes. That said.......I still think eagle was being an idiot.....and union was always null to me....

ugh.

VOTE: union.

I didn't even see this vote lol

Yeah this is scum too.

[Yggdra Union]

Baldeagle:

If you can so friggin' do a solid case that's not some attempt for an opportunity lynch I'd unvote you right here right now.

PRAY TELL THAT YOU HAVE A SOLID CASE BEFORE I MAKE ONE ABOUT YOU

[Yggdra Union]

2 invalid scumslips.

Duh

DUUUUHHH

And usually I don't do this, because this is also my account.

But sister just townslipped.

If you're smart enough to know then GOOD YOU HAVE A BRAIN.

Now use that brain in trying to know why both are 2 invalid scumslips

ESPECIALLY THE PART ABOUT MAFIA/WOLF THING

This is multi-faction. Mafia =/= Wolf

Scumhunting techniques would be different for EACH FACTION



-Aegina

[Yggdra Union]

Ace's vote on Yggdra is scummy, but Yggdra can die first. 2 scumslips and I believe she is mudslinging. (I think mudslinging is where you post alot of stuff when you are under pressure.)

No. Mudslinging is throwing baseless accusation and see if it sticks. Posting a lot of stuff under pressure is normal for any alignment.

Why would you think Mafia had daytalk in this setup?

Beats me.
The best part is that this is my second jungle republic game. (First game I died n1 because apparently I "scumslipped" when I answered a RQS question and I had to claim my role at L-1, which was a seer.)
Even then I thought the setup was 13p with mafia daytalk, even though I didn't mention that in that game.

And yes, Aegina, that's where you saw being a cop crumb.

-Luciana

[Yggdra Union]

Ace's vote on Yggdra is scummy, but Yggdra can die first. 2 scumslips and I believe she is mudslinging. (I think mudslinging is where you post alot of stuff when you are under pressure.)

Wait... So I just saw this and...

We're under pressure? Wuuuut?

What pressure? There's no pressure even.

And you know what's mudslinging? What you're doing is mudslinging.

"HAHAHA FAKESCUMSLIP GO!!!"
"HAHAHA VOTE"
"Oh shit let's not push it further and let others lynch this guy"

And yes, Aegina, that's where you saw being a cop crumb.

-Luciana

STOP USING EMOTICONS IT SCARES ME

What was your supposed scumslip last time?

You don't even know what the scumslips are

Yet you vote



-Aegina

[Yggdra Union]

A case? Dude, you have scumslipped. TWICE. And now you are just cracking under pressure and mudslinging.

Nope.

The first "scumslip" is invalid because
- those kind of slip doesn't necessarily works on multiball. The basis of that slip is that scum is thinking himself as a part of a group and unconsciously saying the number of scum without self, which is pretty dumb already.
Now, this is a multiball. There are two scumteams. That means that scums have a different MINDSET. Scum does NOT think that they are group with the other scumteam! THEREFORE, this "scumslip" is invalid to be used in multiball.

The second one I already explained.

-Luciana

[Yggdra Union]

What was your supposed scumslip last time?

Ironically, it also had to do with numbers.

[Yggdra Union]

Also it relates to the question that I asked to bald.

[Yggdra Union]

Second one is only scumslip if we called someone a specific team with

no reason

, which is clearly not we've done.

-L

[Yggdra Union]

I would've given it to you already if I wasn't playing anon hydra here.
(Even though Aegina slipped already )
You have my word that the link will be provided if I somehow hydraslip.

-Luciana

[Yggdra Union]

2 valid scumslips.

Don't see a townslip anywhere. Usually, you don't point out your own townslips, it usually goes noticed if you slip...

BoP is on you to disprove my counter if you want to keep calling our actions a scumslip.
-L

P-Edit: of course I know you would.

[Yggdra Union]

What was your supposed scumslip last time?

You don't even know what the scumslips are

Yet you vote



-Aegina

I'm trying to have a conversation with Luciana here, Aegina. I meant the scumslip from the other game.

@Luciana: Got a link to the other game?

Whoops my bad.

But Luciana-nee keeps slipping on jungle republic games

Trust me I'm always there.

2 invalid scumslips.

Duh

DUUUUHHH

And usually I don't do this, because this is also my account.

But sister just townslipped.

If you're smart enough to know then GOOD YOU HAVE A BRAIN.

Now use that brain in trying to know why both are 2 invalid scumslips

ESPECIALLY THE PART ABOUT MAFIA/WOLF THING

This is multi-faction. Mafia =/= Wolf

Scumhunting techniques would be different for EACH FACTION



-Aegina

2 valid scumslips.

Don't see a townslip anywhere. Usually, you don't point out your own townslips, it usually goes noticed if you slip...

DUH BECAUSE I SPECIFICALLY SAID "SISTER"
LERN2READ

Yes. You are obviously under pressure. Your posting count has gone up ever since you slipped. Stop trying to make your scumslips look fake.

How am I mudslinging? Ace's vote WAS scummy, but you need to die first. Seriously. You don't even make sense about the part where you are telling Alduskell that he doesn't know what scumslips are.

How does post count even show pressure?
I Hydra slipped already
No need to hide who I am
HOW CAN HIGH POST COUNT = SCUM?!

See? This is mudslinging.
You are accusing us of doing this, yet, we don't even do it
IN FACT
YOU'RE THE ONE DOING IT
THE PERSON WHO NEEDS TO DIE
IS NONE OTHER
THAN YOU

-Aegina

[Yggdra Union]

You do realize I'm just going to look it up myself, right? I was only hoping you would spare me the effort.

Sister is protecting her Identity
Something I failed to do

Anyways.

Sister was painted to have an invalid scumslip
By some scum, of all people

Which is what baldeagle is doing right now

-Aegina

P-edit: Nvm...

[Yggdra Union]

Aldus
If you're reading that game, you probably would know what I was looking for with that questions lol
-Luciana

[Yggdra Union]

Ace, if you were to roll scum, who do you want as your scumteam and why?

[Yggdra Union]

I probably wanna go back and reread stuff because I think I'm doing it wrong. -.-

[Yggdra Union]

When the game first started.

That's probably where I'm doing it wrong.

[Yggdra Union]

I'm going to sleep now so those who attempts to call those "scumslips" valid will have to disprove these following points:

A case? Dude, you have scumslipped. TWICE. And now you are just cracking under pressure and mudslinging.

Nope.

The first "scumslip" is invalid because
- those kind of slip doesn't necessarily works on multiball. The basis of that slip is that scum is thinking himself as a part of a group and unconsciously saying the number of scum without self, which is pretty dumb already.
Now, this is a multiball. There are two scumteams. That means that scums have a different MINDSET. Scum does NOT think that they are group with the other scumteam! THEREFORE, this "scumslip" is invalid to be used in multiball.

The second one I already explained.

-Luciana

Second one is only scumslip if we called someone a specific team with

no reason

, which is clearly not we've done.

-L

-Luciana

[Yggdra Union]

I honestly didn't wanted to remember that game again because that was once shameful game for me.

-Luciana

[Yggdra Union]

One shameful*

[Yggdra Union]

Wow Krazy...

Wow...

Wow...

And I thought you were smarter than this



Baldeagle --> Alduskkel --> ace --> Krazy

One more
-Aegina

If its not a "slip" then what would it be

Why do you think...

I'm separating Wolves from Mafia?

FOCK

[Yggdra Union]

So anyone who votes you is scum?

Nope.

Everyone who makes fake scumslips and attempts for an easy mislynch is

[Yggdra Union]

If its not a "slip" then what would it be

Incorrect knowledge of the definition of a word "scum".

Idk about the supposed 'scumslips' yet - I need to go reread all that through again - but what I didn't like was that they felt the need to point out their own supposed 'townslip', regardless if it came from a different head of the hydra. That, and the fact they've ignored my question on BOOM twice now. (Unless I missed it - because refreshing with 2 bars sucks - so I'll revisit this again later today when I'm back at my desktop)

It's not.

guys hang your heads and hold the haranguing of miss union.

The first one is not a scum slip. At all. seriously. c'mon.

the second..... i don't know......scum usually equals, "anti-town"

I really really hate playing with hydras sometimes. That said.......I still think eagle was being an idiot.....and union was always null to me....

ugh.

VOTE: union.

I don't really like your reason for voting Yggdra. You are unsure about the slips, called Yggdra null then you vote her. It just seems scummy to me, but I still rather lynch the person who have slipped.

Yggdra, how would you know what scumteam I would be on if you were town? Calling me a wolf was alignment indicative because you just proved that you were on one of the scumteams to know that.

Also, stop calling people scum whenever they vote for you. I just don't like that OMGUS.

Now you're being dense on purpose.

We had TWO good reasons on our part to sort you as wolf.
Why are you ignoring those?

-L

[Yggdra Union]

I unvoted you. Am I still scum, even though I'm not attempting to get you lynched right now?

Tbh this head have a better felling about you enough to reconsider my townreads.
But your 628 sucked.
-L

[Yggdra Union]

Also I'll be confirming myself as town now.

622 implies that I wolf-slipped.
635 implies that I mafia-slipped.

And the best part is: they ALL CAME FROM SAME POST

This is multiball, therefore general "scumslip" is NOT VALID. If we "scumslipped", we either slipped as mafia or slipped as wolf.
You follow me here? Good.

So apparently we've been accused as mafia-slip AND wolf-slip in the same post.
Ergo, we're either giant scumfuckcluster lord who controls both mafia and werewolf, or *gasp* we're town.

-L

[Yggdra Union]

Big thanks to Krazy for basically confirming ourselves as town.

-Luciana

[Yggdra Union]

If you think it's far-fetched, disprove my logic.

Otherwise, I'll be working on finding three fore scumfucks now.

-L

[Yggdra Union]

more*

(Hint: two scums so far are baldeagle/ace)

[Yggdra Union]

That, and the fact they've ignored my question on BOOM twice now.

I believe that I told you two days ago that I would be answering that today.

[Yggdra Union]

Also now if scumz want to continue pushing a mislynch on me today for "scumslipping" (alone), they'll have to they'll have to choose side and disprove one of the two "scumslips" present.

Which is also great for me because they'll be doing my work.

Man, I feel so smart sometimes.

-L

P-Edit: tippy that's not the point.
The point is that if we were scum of any sort, ppl couldn't have found both mafia-slip and wolf-slip at the same time in the same post.

[Yggdra Union]

Now let the scumz tremble in fear after realizing that they fucked up big time and made an "easy mislynch" to "confirmed town"!

-L

[Yggdra Union]

you agree with them (???)

No, I'm not agreeing with them. I spent last day yelling at ppl for trying to lynch me over invalid "scumslips" and finding scumz during that interaction.

Whether we agree or disagree is not the point anymore. The point is that they have been able to find something that even remotely resembles to both "slips".

-L

P-Edit: o u

[Yggdra Union]

After publically calling this slot town, I realized that I didn't have his scumgames in my disposal. But there's one thing I pursued, which is "DP-town is aggressive and have conviction."

Also I'm not reading saki's posts because it only muddies the water.

With that in mind:

My say? I have no idea what the hell youre talking about.

Why dont you have an RVS vote? For that matter, your whole quasi read on fuzzylogic is pretty bad. Why is it obv scum instead of stating facts, this makes no sense. Youre trying to paint him as sscummy for something that even you said could be just stating facts.

VOTE: Krazy

My vote is serious,

Ending RVS quick, agressive, the timing of the presentation, I like them all.

That must be DP head.

/runs

-Luciana

Well, this is not alignment-indicative, but still it's funny.

Krazy's post about fuzzy seems a bit premature but I think he was being genuine. I don't like BOOM's reaction to it though. I think he was reading it way to deep and going for a quick lynch.
VOTE: BOOM

How is it going for a quicklynch when he had 2 votes? Bad accusation.

For that matter you had me and the person I voted for as scum reads yet failed to explain why.

For that matter you have Krazy as a scum read and yet agree with him?

And your attack is pretty opportunistic. You aren't the first vote on said wagon, so by YOUR logic, you're quicklynching? Even without the faulty logic, your attack is pretty much based on him being a newb and not on him being scum

VOTE: baldeagle[/b]

Sound logic, and it contains the conviction that I see in DP-town.

also @ boom.

laughing at your own joke? bad form

I made the joke. Saki laughed

I forgot why I quoted this...
Oh, right. I wanted to point out that this ace post sucked.

Have you guys ever stopped to think that no scum would actually try to push an early self vote as a scum tell or a suicidal tactic?

I was confused at first cause the first thing I read was him saying rival and fellow scum after we got prodded (its hard having a hydra when the other head doesnt post)

But im sure theres at least 1 of each scum in the fuzzy wagon.

His thought process match up and have a logic behind the bolded.
This is more from town, because it's so easy to say bolded without giving any proper explanations behind it and just say "lolgut" and still could get away with it.

Yes because quickhammering is automatically scummy.

That being said, I tried to restrain Saki, he has this habit of quickhammering in EVERY game he is in. I thought hydra-ing with him would make him not do that..

Meh, Fuzzy being the night kill surprised me, but I guess its because he couldnt have been mislynched anymore.

Actually The times where I was here, I have been voicing out my suspicion towards the fuzzy wagon and people on it. There is at least one wolf and 1 mafia on it.

Anyway, i like how ace assumes quickhammer = scum and calls us his biggest candidate without voting us or even giving out basic questions. Plus he was a proponent of the fuzzy wagon yesterday, which was clearly a mislynch.

VOTE: aceofspades

DP

First, I liked how he handled ace's accusation of "lol he quickhammered. scum."
I can vouch for Saki being a quickhammer pleb.
The only thing I don't get is why he dropped his baldeagle attack and went for ace instead.

TL;DR - I'm satisfied with his play so far and I can see some town motive behind his post. There's one thing that bothers me a little, but it's not enough to change my townread on him.

-L

[Yggdra Union]

^
to dear elleheathen

[Yggdra Union]

Where r u ppl?
Don't wanna play with me anymore?

Also moving on to tippy.
He's town because of gut+meta.

He's being useless, but his general relaxed stance feels town to me.
Tippy scum tends to be more cautious and tense.

-Luciana

[Yggdra Union]

Yggdra, on the other hand, I'm not sure of either. Not only do I not like their pointing out of their own 'townslips' as I stated before

The sad thing is though, I don't see the "townslip" myself, because he never told me.

but I don't like their whole trying to confirm themselves as town based on the supposed (and faulty)logic, either.

Exactly which part of our logic is faulty?
Why can't town try to confirm himself as town? Do you think try to confirm self as town is pure scum move?
Mafia is not a game you play by textbook.
Sure, there are some guidelines to pick out general stuff, but the "abnormalities" are bound to happen.
I.E. The textbook teaches that scums are usually self-concious. Well, guess what? Town can be self-concious too. The textbook teaches that scums are survivalistic. Well, guess what? Town can be survivalistic too.

That, and the fact that they keep going on about how people would have to disprove their logic on how these slips could be irrelevant in order to lynch them,

It is absolutely necessary that people needing to disprove my logic, because I want to know what their thought process are.
When people have an opinion, they need a train of thoughts to reach it. By asking people to challenge my logic, I can see what's going on ppl's head, and can see if their opinions are well-organized, or just simple came out of the blue for opportunistic jump. Follow me here?

when really, all I have to do is code a vote on them to decide whether or not to lynch them.

It is true that ppl can just lolvote us to lynch us.
But I know I'm town, and I'm not gonna go down easily, especially with the shitty accusations against me.
As town, it is my job to fight stupid lynch and stupid logic to guide town the right way.
When town fight for his lynch, attackers will have to push even harder to get him lynched. That's where all the goodies spring, such as the opportunistic timing of their attack, fallacy of their attack, genuineness of their attack, etc.
So even if we gets lynched, the flip of us will provide the maximum amount of the information possible.

P-Edit: @bald
Lemme quote them for you, but if you haven't realized it already, we dropped it because they were disproven.

[Yggdra Union]

Why is he a Wolf specifically?

Because mafia have daytalk.
He wouldn't jump like that if he was mafia because there should've been a coaching involved.

-Luciana

This was mine, but since it's proven that mafia don't have a daytalk, it's moot.

Also.

Baldeagle is throwing half-baked pies.

Proof that he doesn't have solid read on us. Meaning he's making us look like scum but knowing we are town.

Ergo, wolf.

This was Aegina's, but since Aegina was thinking a definition of "scum" as "mafia" instead of all anti-town alignments, it's moot by the communication error.

-Luciana

[Yggdra Union]

Am I the only one seeing how Yggdra seems to have changed their posting style since the supposed "scumslips"?
They seemed to be more secretive before, but now they feel more... open?

I'm not sure if I like this, because I feel that's what I'd do too if I were scum.

The post that caused the MoA-scumslip issue was the start of the post of us being more active, so it's coincidential.

-L

[Yggdra Union]

I don't think you're town...I'll read your psycho wall of text but you don't have me convinced

You better read it nice and steadily, because somewhere along the way, I confirm myself as town using your post.

-L

[Yggdra Union]

Am I the only one seeing how Yggdra seems to have changed their posting style since the supposed "scumslips"?
They seemed to be more secretive before, but now they feel more... open?

I'm not sure if I like this, because I feel that's what I'd do too if I were scum.

You are not the only one. Yggdra is becoming overly defensive.

So you're expecting us to just take this and go home?

Also, define "overly defensive."
Are we being too defensive to not scumhunt? Because if that's what you're implying, it is false.

-L

[Yggdra Union]

@Mod: I unvoted back in post 619.

Anyway, I guess Luciana = GuyInFreezer actually. Not sure, could still be Remembrance.

We had TWO good reasons on our part to sort you as wolf.
Why are you ignoring those?

-L

What are those two reasons?

Quoted those few posts before.

Also I'll be confirming myself as town now.

622 implies that I wolf-slipped.
635 implies that I mafia-slipped.

And the best part is: they ALL CAME FROM SAME POST

This is multiball, therefore general "scumslip" is NOT VALID. If we "scumslipped", we either slipped as mafia or slipped as wolf.
You follow me here? Good.

So apparently we've been accused as mafia-slip AND wolf-slip in the same post.
Ergo, we're either giant scumfuckcluster lord who controls both mafia and werewolf, or *gasp* we're town.

-L

Problem #1: The person accusing you of wolf-slipping is different from the person accusing you of mafia-slipping.
Problem #2: They don't come from the same post. 568 is the wolf slip, 559 is the mafia slip.

While we're on the subject, 577 is a not-Mafia slip, which YU has been calling a townslip. 495 is a scumslip (not Mafia nor Wolf specific).

Of course, we circle back around to whether or not ANY of these slips were actually slips.

Re: #1 - Irrelevant.
Re: #2 - Oops. But it still doesn't change my point. (scum can't both wolf-slip and mafia-slip at the same time, ergo we're town)

I'm pretty sure 577 is not Aegina is talking about, because Aegina clearly said that the townslip was in my (Luciana) post.
Also I had a deep post relating to 495 how that is invalid. Did you read it?

-L

[Yggdra Union]

A case? Dude, you have scumslipped. TWICE. And now you are just cracking under pressure and mudslinging.

Nope.

The first "scumslip" is invalid because
- those kind of slip doesn't necessarily works on multiball. The basis of that slip is that scum is thinking himself as a part of a group and unconsciously saying the number of scum without self, which is pretty dumb already.
Now, this is a multiball. There are two scumteams. That means that scums have a different MINDSET. Scum does NOT think that they are group with the other scumteam! THEREFORE, this "scumslip" is invalid to be used in multiball.

The second one I already explained.

-Luciana

Here. I quoted it again for you for your convenience.

[Yggdra Union]

I don't know. Aegina never told me.

-L

[Yggdra Union]

What's your opinion on my "towncase" on BOOM and tippy?

[Yggdra Union]

I ISO'ed twice and still don't see this - but it's a moot point because I'm not trying to make a case on it, I just wanted an answer. Ty for the answer. :p

After publically calling this slot town, I realized that I didn't have his scumgames in my disposal. But there's one thing I pursued, which is "DP-town is aggressive and have conviction."

Also I'm not reading saki's posts because it only muddies the water.

With that in mind:

My say? I have no idea what the hell youre talking about.

Why dont you have an RVS vote? For that matter, your whole quasi read on fuzzylogic is pretty bad. Why is it obv scum instead of stating facts, this makes no sense. Youre trying to paint him as sscummy for something that even you said could be just stating facts.

VOTE: Krazy

My vote is serious,

Ending RVS quick, agressive, the timing of the presentation, I like them all.

That must be DP head.

/runs

-Luciana

Well, this is not alignment-indicative, but still it's funny.

Krazy's post about fuzzy seems a bit premature but I think he was being genuine. I don't like BOOM's reaction to it though. I think he was reading it way to deep and going for a quick lynch.
VOTE: BOOM

How is it going for a quicklynch when he had 2 votes? Bad accusation.

For that matter you had me and the person I voted for as scum reads yet failed to explain why.

For that matter you have Krazy as a scum read and yet agree with him?

And your attack is pretty opportunistic. You aren't the first vote on said wagon, so by YOUR logic, you're quicklynching? Even without the faulty logic, your attack is pretty much based on him being a newb and not on him being scum

VOTE: baldeagle[/b]

Sound logic, and it contains the conviction that I see in DP-town.

also @ boom.

laughing at your own joke? bad form

I made the joke. Saki laughed

I forgot why I quoted this...
Oh, right. I wanted to point out that this ace post sucked.

Have you guys ever stopped to think that no scum would actually try to push an early self vote as a scum tell or a suicidal tactic?

I was confused at first cause the first thing I read was him saying rival and fellow scum after we got prodded (its hard having a hydra when the other head doesnt post)

But im sure theres at least 1 of each scum in the fuzzy wagon.

His thought process match up and have a logic behind the bolded.
This is more from town, because it's so easy to say bolded without giving any proper explanations behind it and just say "lolgut" and still could get away with it.

Yes because quickhammering is automatically scummy.

That being said, I tried to restrain Saki, he has this habit of quickhammering in EVERY game he is in. I thought hydra-ing with him would make him not do that..

Meh, Fuzzy being the night kill surprised me, but I guess its because he couldnt have been mislynched anymore.

Actually The times where I was here, I have been voicing out my suspicion towards the fuzzy wagon and people on it. There is at least one wolf and 1 mafia on it.

Anyway, i like how ace assumes quickhammer = scum and calls us his biggest candidate without voting us or even giving out basic questions. Plus he was a proponent of the fuzzy wagon yesterday, which was clearly a mislynch.

VOTE: aceofspades

DP

First, I liked how he handled ace's accusation of "lol he quickhammered. scum."
I can vouch for Saki being a quickhammer pleb.
The only thing I don't get is why he dropped his baldeagle attack and went for ace instead.

TL;DR - I'm satisfied with his play so far and I can see some town motive behind his post. There's one thing that bothers me a little, but it's not enough to change my townread on him.

-L

How did you miss it

Anyway, now that I gave you the answer, what's your opinion on it?

-L

[Yggdra Union]

Yeah I admit that my towncase on tippy is weak, because, well, he really haven't done anything.
But I'm having a townvibe from him and I feel good about it too.

Also those two points:

Why is he a Wolf specifically?

Because mafia have daytalk.
He wouldn't jump like that if he was mafia because there should've been a coaching involved.

-Luciana

This was mine, but since it's proven that mafia don't have a daytalk, it's moot.

Also.

Baldeagle is throwing half-baked pies.

Proof that he doesn't have solid read on us. Meaning he's making us look like scum but knowing we are town.

Ergo, wolf.

This was Aegina's, but since Aegina was thinking a definition of "scum" as "mafia" instead of all anti-town alignments, it's moot by the communication error.

-Luciana

-L

[Yggdra Union]

That's probably why we dropped them, you know.

But the point is that we had a

reasons

to call him wolf.

-L

[Yggdra Union]

But you called them GOOD reasons back in post 636.

I probably meant "Good reasons on our part," because I'm pretty sure I've been saying that they're not valid anymore.

-L

[Yggdra Union]

Any since I apparently "spammed" this thread (blame yourself. You're the one who pulled yourself into this mess.)

I'll point out to you to the relevant post!

Act 1 - The spam starts here about at this point

Scene 1
The problem post - the "scumslip"

Link here

Scene 2
The case - baldeagle1 is scum and should be lynched

Link here

Scene 3
The terrible sheep

Link here

Act 2 - The Second Strike

Scene 1
The "scumslip" strikes again

Link here

Scene 2
The two logics of the wolf busines

Link here (and the next post)

Scene 3
Ace strikes again with the terribad post

Link here

Act 3 - The Glorious Comeback

Scene 1
Refutation against first "slip"

Link here

Scene 2
Refutation against second "slip"

Link here

Scene 3
Genius Ace strikes again!

Link here

Act 4 - Finale

Scene 1
The Third Attempt

Link here

Scene 2
Confirmed town

Link here

Bonus Content

towncase on BOOM

Link here

towncase on tippy (Warning: it's weak.)

Link here

A good post

Link here

*Editor's note*
1. baldeagle1 and ace are still scum.
2. bald still haven't looked at our refutation yet still accuses us for scumslipping.

-L

[Yggdra Union]

BOOM case is okay, but I would caution against calling anyone town based on their ability to scumhunt, since scum can scumhunt in this game too.

I'm keep forgetting that -.-
But still I'm liking my read on him so far

-L

[Yggdra Union]

All 3 major wagons

Vote Count 1.07

BOOMSHAKALAKA (0)
Gnomeo (0)
Klick (4) Om of the Nom, Yggdra Union,

1baldeagle1

, TrumpetKing
Smoker (0)
theaceofspades (0)
ferretlover (1) Klick
1baldeagle1 (2) ferretlover, BOOMSHAKALAKA
TrumpetKing (0)
KrazyEyeKilla7 (0)
Yggdra Union (0)
Om of the Nom (0)
TheFuzzyLogic99 (1) Gnomeo

Not Voting:

Smoker, theaceofspades, TheFuzzyLogic99

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Vote Count 1.09

BOOMSHAKALAKA (0)
Gnomeo (0)
Klick (1) Yggdra Union
Smoker (0)
theaceofspades (0)
ferretlover (2) Klick, Om of the Nom
1baldeagle1 (1) BOOMSHAKALAKA
TrumpetKing (0)
KrazyEyeKilla7 (0)
Yggdra Union (0)
Om of the Nom (0)
TheFuzzyLogic99 (6) Gnomeo, theaceofspades, TrumpetKing, KrazyEyeKilla7,

1baldeagle1

, ferretlover

L-1

Not Voting:

Smoker, TheFuzzyLogic99

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Vote Count 1.15

BOOMSHAKALAKA (0)
Gnomeo (0)
Klick (0)
elleheathen (0)
theaceofspades (0)
ferretlover (7) Klick, Om of the Nom, elleheathen, Yggdra Union,

1baldeagle1

, TrumpetKing, BOOMSHAKALAKA

Lynch

1baldeagle1 (0)
TrumpetKing (0)
KrazyEyeKilla7 (0)
Yggdra Union (0)
Om of the Nom (0)
TheFuzzyLogic99 (3) Gnomeo, theaceofspades, ferretlover

Not Voting:

TheFuzzyLogic99, KrazyEyeKilla7

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

[Yggdra Union]

Slips are the total opposite of WIFOM because WIFOM is done on purpose of creating confusion, while slips are unconscious act that are not done on purpose.
Therefore, there can be no WIFOM in slips, because by their natures they can't coexist.

Also I've done more than 13p thing to disprove that first one.

Check the link on Act 3 Scene 1.
The first "slip" is for one-antitown faction setup only.
In multiball, it's completely null.

Also the point is that, regardless of likelihoodness, I've been accused of dropping both mafia-slip and wolf-slip.
They didn't wanted to lose this golden opportunity to get an "easy" mislynch, they pushed it too far.
Now, as long as they're keep pushing for it, that makes me confirmed town, because as long as they're pushing them, my logic stands.
My point can only be disproven ONLY if they drop the "scumslip" accusation.
So you see what I did there?
I've set down a logic trap on scums.
They will either have to confirm me as town, or destroy their own points about us "scum slipping", which makes them having no more points to push a lynch on us.
That's what they get for using terribad points to accuse anyway

Also you might have missed the promise thing because I didn't directly talk to you at that post, but I promised a town case in a post where I mention "little game."

-Luciana

[Yggdra Union]

i fail to see how believing you both to be scum is a scummy behavior.

That by itself isn't.
It's how you did it.

-L

[Yggdra Union]

Well, tbh, scum can just decide to be fucking dense, stall til the deadline, and decide to loldeadlinelynch us.
But before that happens, I feel confident that I will nail down most of them, if this keeps on going.
And after I flip town, VCA's gonna look reeeeeeeally bad on them.

-L

[Yggdra Union]

Hell, the VCA really look bad on eagle already.
(In case ppl haven't realized yet, he was on a every single major wagon. And three of them are on town.)
-L

[Yggdra Union]

I didn't miss it.
I just want to wait on him for a bit.

-L

[Yggdra Union]

At this point, yes.
But you know, that's probably the one wagon that baldeagle won't jump on

-L

[Yggdra Union]

Ugh
At this point, it's just a frustration about how ppl can't understand what I'm talking about
This is not about my defense anymore. This is now just a pure rant.

I'm gonna explain this one last time.
The factor of multiball

does matter.

Think of this logical process of how the slip happens.

1. A is scum.
2. A knows that there are 5 scums in their team.
3. A knows that town would be looking for 5 scums.
4. Since A knows that he's scum, it is likely for him to subconsciously think that he needs one less scum to find.

It looks fine so far, but here's where it becomes a problem.
This is multiball.
That means that A's team have

less than 5 members

.
In this game, there are either scumteam of two, or scumteam of three.
In order to call something like this a slip, there must be more than 1 "extra town to find" involved!

So what I'm trying to say is that it's possible to see it as a slip in town PoV, but if you look at the scum PoV, it is

not possible

for them to slip like that, because from town PoV there are 5 scum to hunt, but from scum PoV that's not the case, for they legitimately have to hunt for the other scumteam too.

This is where the logic gets faulty and this is why this specific tell is not a scumslip in multiball.

And that's why I wanted ppl to take a crack at my logic.
Now ellehethren gets a

massive townpoint

for making this simple mistake of only looking at this from town PoV.

-Luciana

[Yggdra Union]

Btw I'm not saying that ppl who failed to do so is automatically scum.
It's one of those "town or null" thing.

-L

[Yggdra Union]

But that still doesn't prove your alignment, only that you're likely not aligned with them.

I want you to think carefully here.
In my case, "them" applies to both mafia and werewolf since I've been accused as slipping as both.
And since it proves that I'm not aligned with them,
If I'm not aligned with mafia and I'm not aligned with werewolf, then I'm aligned with ________ .
Also as I said, whether someone pushes whatever doesn't matter. The only thing that's important is that the accusations happened.

-L

[Yggdra Union]

Addendum to 698

"But scum can easily emulate the hunting 5 scums thing"
Remember that the slip we're talking about here is subconscious slip.
Their conscious have the true number of their team, not fake number.
If conscious could be faked at any time, that would void all the subconscious slips but that's not the case so

-L

[Yggdra Union]

Anyway the progress with sorted reads so far

Do not lynch

ellehethren
BOOM
Tippy

pls lynch

Ace
Bald

unsorted yet

The rest

-L

[Yggdra Union]

Actually 683 contains it.
It's not as descriptive as bald's case, though.
It's a "just look at these post and tell me those aren't scummy" case.

Now here's a question for you that might make your brain implode.

Why are we scum gain?

-L

[Yggdra Union]

Why are we scum again?*

[Yggdra Union]

i fail to see how believing you both to be scum is a scummy behavior.

Also this is one atrocious strawmanning.

-L

[Yggdra Union]

Hm.
Probably "misrepping" fits better than "straw manning."

-L

[Yggdra Union]

Did you read my 707?
I think you missed it.

Did you read my 690?
I think you missed it.

Did you see my question?
I think you missed it.

Do you know what that proves?
You're calling me scum without even trying to read my post.

-L

Meh.

I gave myself away earlier anyway.

[Yggdra Union]

Fuzzy's responses are genuine, and that somewhat convinces me to unvote him. However, I also feel like his behavior is genuinely scummy as well. For now, I say we leave him be, and come back to him if we've got no other major lead.
UNVOTE: TheFuzzylogic99

-L

[Yggdra Union]

If its not a "slip" then what would it be

Why do you think...

I'm separating Wolves from Mafia?

Then which is "scum" if they're so separated?

If you say "scum is wolf" then you draw attention to yourself as mafia. And vice verse.

I don't think you're town...I'll read your psycho wall of text but you don't have me convinced

I'm waiting.

Also Aegina clearly said that she thought "scum" = "mafia".

-L

[Yggdra Union]

Fun event: I was looking through Krazy's ISO and was wondering which post made me give a townread on him, because tbh I couldn't find any that specifically have me a townvibe.

But the I realized something: I mixed up fuzzy and Krazy.

lol

-L

P-Edit: why not ask me? I'm here right now.

[Yggdra Union]

Re: 636

We weren't. What triggered it was that TNE's definition of word "scum" meant "mafia."
He translated eagle's "looking for scum" comment as "looking for mafia" and for that he called him a wolf.

-L

[Yggdra Union]

But that still doesn't prove your alignment, only that you're likely not aligned with them.

I want you to think carefully here.
In my case, "them" applies to both mafia and werewolf since I've been accused as slipping as both.
And since it proves that I'm not aligned with them,
If I'm not aligned with mafia and I'm not aligned with werewolf, then I'm aligned with ________ .
Also as I said, whether someone pushes whatever doesn't matter. The only thing that's important is that the accusations happened.

-L

The 'them' that I refer to there is in reference to your accusers in regards to the second slip.
It is outlining a suspicion that if, say, baldeagle (one of the accusers) is for example, mafia - that you were not mafia, but it doesn't rule out the possibility of you being a werewolf.

The factor of multiball

does matter.

Think of this logical process of how the slip happens.

1. A is scum.
2. A knows that there are 5 scums in their team.
3. A knows that town would be looking for 5 scums.
4. Since A knows that he's scum, it is likely for him to subconsciously think that he needs one less scum to find.

It looks fine so far, but here's where it becomes a problem.
This is multiball.
That means that A's team have

less than 5 members

.
In this game, there are either scumteam of two, or scumteam of three.
In order to call something like this a slip, there must be more than 1 "extra town to find" involved!

So what I'm trying to say is that it's possible to see it as a slip in town PoV, but if you look at the scum PoV, it is

not possible

for them to slip like that, because from town PoV there are 5 scum to hunt, but from scum PoV that's not the case, for they legitimately have to hunt for the other scumteam too.

This would all be relevant - IF it was about the number of scum.
It's not about the number of SCUM. The supposed slip was about the number of TOWN.
It wasn't about how many scums you were looking for, the slip was about how many town you thought there were.

Either way, you're frustrated on explaining this - as am I.
While I don't see what you're trying to get at (and maybe I'm just completely missing it), I think you're genuinely convinced that this is true just as much as I am on it not confirming you as town. Despite that, I don't think this is going to go anywhere productive because while in my mind, those points don't confirm you as town, I'm willing to concede enough as the argument itself makes me think of you as leaning more town than scum.

Yay?

I'm going to do another read-through and see if I can't get some better feels.

We're almost there!

Now connect the dots.
1 less scum to find = 1 more town to find
bam.
now everything connects.

-L

[Yggdra Union]

My beliefs on unions scummyness were irrelevant.

You're still dodging my question.

-L

[Yggdra Union]

Why are we scum again?*

[Yggdra Union]

But union's reactions to it, are what bother me.

Nvm. I found it.

I don't remember saying anything about bald's case on you.

-L

[Yggdra Union]

Yggdra, on the other hand, I'm not sure of either. Not only do I not like their pointing out of their own 'townslips' as I stated before

The sad thing is though, I don't see the "townslip" myself, because he never told me.

Am I the only one seeing how Yggdra seems to have changed their posting style since the supposed "scumslips"?
They seemed to be more secretive before, but now they feel more... open?

I'm not sure if I like this, because I feel that's what I'd do too if I were scum.

Om it's like you don't know who I am and who sister is.

I feel sad

If its not a "slip" then what would it be

Why do you think...

I'm separating Wolves from Mafia?

Then which is "scum" if they're so separated?

If you say "scum is wolf" then you draw attention to yourself as mafia. And vice verse.

I don't think you're town...I'll read your psycho wall of text but you don't have me convinced

Mafia is Mafia
Where is Where
Scum is Scum
Wolf is Wolf

And like

Saying you don't think we're town helps.

I don't know. Aegina never told me.

-L

I'd never tell you

Those aren't really GOOD reasons to think that baldeagle is a wolf.

I'd take this one.
Right After touhou, and circle clicking.

i love the non case on me. because you were pushing it long before my scummy act of "wanting two people lynched." imo, you're each scum. one on each team...that's my guess. because the fight makes the most sense from that perspective.


also WIFOM isn't always on purpose. sometimes it's just an accusation that has no concrete facts, sufficient for a proof

I'd get to you after baldeagle

Wow, tne and GiF. cool beans.

COVER BLOWN!!! ABORT! ABORT!

-Aegina

[Yggdra Union]

Way ahead of you, tippy
But I want baldeagle dead first.

@elle: I remember you saying that you don't see baldeagle scum. Why?
To be honest, at first I thought of him as a lynchbait, but then I realized that fmpov about 56% of the playerlist excluding me are scum, and with some townreads I have, he might as well be scum.

-L

[Yggdra Union]

Neither. One is eating rope today, and another is eating rope tomorrow.
-L

[Yggdra Union]

Don't get what you're talking about here.
-L

[Yggdra Union]

He means that we rope the lesser.

Since we can assure the death of baldeagle.

-Aegina

[Yggdra Union]

@tippy: oh.
@aldus: if ww fakeclaim seer, well, he won't die at night, which would look really bad.

-L

[Yggdra Union]

I thought you said it benefits if only mafia claim seer.

Also there's a instance where wolf would want to go for mafia over seer, and that's tonight if we either mislynch and lynch town, or his partner gets lynched.

-L

P-Edit: I don't know about you but while I was talking about slips I established 3 firm townreads and 2 firm scumreads.
/progress

[Yggdra Union]

Also note that ace is calling me scum for something that I haven't done.
-L

[Yggdra Union]

I'm not townreading ppl for their scumhunting.
I'm townreading ppl for HOW they do it and for the motives for their post.

Well, in tippy case, it's gut+meta. I played with him for quite some times, and this is town tippy.

-L

[Yggdra Union]

i only called you scummy for

you reactions to baldeagle.

his case

isn't very good. But

union's reactions to it

, are what bother me.

Two totally different thing.

What you just said was more open, while what you said last time was pretty specific, and the stuff that I haven't done.

If you're gonna accuse someone, at least be consistent about it.

I don't have to make a big fat case on you. Me posting like this time to time is all part of the case.

-L

[Yggdra Union]

Aldus you are breaking my heart
Exactly which part from him looks genuine to you?

Look at his reason to scumread me.

guys hang your heads and hold the haranguing of miss union.

The first one is not a scum slip. At all. seriously. c'mon.

the second..... i don't know......scum usually equals, "anti-town"

I really really hate playing with hydras sometimes. That said.......I still think eagle was being an idiot.....and union was always null to me....

ugh.

VOTE: union.

Here's the first time when he calls me scum.
See the reason?

"Union scumslipped"

Now this was dropped after my question.

i said it looked like he was trying to push a mislynch. not that it was a mislynch. The point being. his case isn't very good. But union's reactions to it, are what bother me.

Reason here?

"I didn't like Union's reaction to baldeagle's case"

No mentioning of his previous reason, ever.

And now he drops this.

union. what have I accused you of that you haven't done? if I recall correctly, i only called you scummy for you reactions to baldeagle.

i'd also like to hear your case on me. (i ask again) because you haven't been clear. you've just been repeating over and over that i'm confirmed as scum.

Reason here?

"I didn't like Union's reaction to baldeagle"

They've been constantly changing, with no mentioning of previous reasons, whatsoever.

And the best part is:

There's no hint of transitioning between those reasons

How do you see this inconsistency "genuine"?

-L

[Yggdra Union]

i only called you scummy for

you reactions to baldeagle.

his case

isn't very good. But

union's reactions to it

, are what bother me.

Two totally different thing.

What you just said was more open, while what you said last time was pretty specific, and the stuff that I haven't done.

If you're gonna accuse someone, at least be consistent about it.

I don't have to make a big fat case on you. Me posting like this time to time is all part of the case.

-L

are you retarded? that's the exact same thing!!!! how is that inconsistent?

No it isn't.

The first I quoted says that you didn't like our reactions to baldeagle's posts IN GENERAL.
The second I quoted says that you didn't like our reactions to baldeagle's CASE on you, which I DIDN'T EVEN BOTHERED TO RESPONDED TO.

You slightly changed the wording.

I NEVER SAID IT YOU SCUMSLIPPED!!! I SAID I WASN"T SURE!!!


as a hydra it was easily possible that you scumslipped or it truly was a difference in definitions. I SAID I DON"T KNOW WHICH IT IS!!! Ii'm not voting you for a POSSIBLE scumslip.



for the love of mike take a reading comp course.

You said we "were always null" to you, which means that you, at that point, recently changed a read on us to scumread.

the second..... i don't know......scum usually equals, "anti-town"

This is clearly mentioning the second "slip".

You mentioned NOTHING ELSE except for the "oh I hate playing with hydra."

So did you vote us at that time because you hated playing with hydra? I hope not.

Then where did the vote came from if you weren't voting us for the second slip?
Exactly where did your "scumread" on us came from at that point enough to cast a vote on us?

-L

[Yggdra Union]

So if I summarize:

guys hang your heads and hold the haranguing of miss union.

The first one is not a scum slip. At all. seriously. c'mon.

the second..... i don't know......scum usually equals, "anti-town"

I really really hate playing with hydras sometimes. That said.......I still think eagle was being an idiot.....and union was always null to me....

ugh.

VOTE: union.

1. Ace votes us in post 569. He clearly presented that he changed our read on us to scumread, and the only reasons provided here is 1. "something about second slip" and 2. "I hate playing with hydras." Therefore, he started to scumread us for one of these two reasons.

2. Second reason doesn't make sense to scumread anyone of, so this is probably not it.

3. First reason is not it since he now pointed out that he wasn't voting us for the slip.

4. He provided in later posts that he was scumreading us for reaction to baldeagle's posts (or his case), but it does not count here since the event he's describing happened after this post.

5. Therefore, unless he had a "hidden reasoning" (Which would be most likely BS given that he didn't say anything about it when I asked for one), he had no reason to scumread us nor vote us at that point.

That means that his vote on us in 568 was also an opportunistic jump.

-L

[Yggdra Union]

569*

[Yggdra Union]

I have never played this spammy before in my entire mafia career lol

-L

[Yggdra Union]

You don't have to read everything.
ISO me and you'll see the summary I made somewhere

-L

[Yggdra Union]

Ctrl + F "Act 1"

[Yggdra Union]

Also y'all should post some read lists or something.

-L

[Yggdra Union]

thanks for putting words in my mouth, I didn't say in general.

It implied "general" without any further elaboration.

I just said to baldeagle......which....what would I be talking about?

Something in general.

the vast majority (virtually all) your posts reacting to baldeagle are about his case on you, the Scum slip debacle to be specific.

1. He's not the first who brought up the issue.
2. All I posted to "react" to his "case" is this: "your case is based on something that I didn't even say." - Which is, like, 3 posts total?

If you can point me to another topic that you discussed, for long enough that it would be reasonable to assume I was talking about it rather then the scum slip thing, then your inconsistency claim would hold water. You won't, because you can't, so it doesn't.

I made a case on him and pushed it. You even sheeped it! Did you missed that too?

i the phrase you quote about your second "scum-slip" i LITERALLY said the words
I
DONT"
KNOW!

You did. But that "I don't know" didn't felt like the tone you're implying here.
It felt like "I don't know man, but whatever."
If that's not what you didn't intend to do, all you can do is blame your wording.

mentioning an issue now = endorsing it? Bull.

Hm?
That's not what I said. What I said is if you're trying to explain the reason you scumread me in 569 now, it'll be most likely a BS reason.

that means it's opportunistic? rather, it means you both read as scummy to me. You may notice that this has been my theme. and I have been very consistent with it.

And what I'm asking for is the reason you're scumreading us in post 569.

"The event?" you'd never talked to eagle before?

I talked to him plenty. I even made a case on him!

he hadn't accused you of anything?

No. He sheeped on someone else's accusation.

you hadn't REACTED TO HIS CASE YET?!?!??!??!

He didn't make any case on me.
What you're calling a "case" here is a number theory that has nothing to do with me, because, it based on something that I didn't do.

I would appreciate you to STOP TWISTING MY WORDS!!!!!

Before you say thing like this, at least get your facts right.

I have no freaking clue what point 2. is supposed to say. Grammar is good for you

What can I say? English is my second language after all.
Lemme rephrase that.
"2. I don't think you called us scum because you hated hydra."

The definition difference claim would have meant nill to me from a non-hydra.

This have nothing to do with hydra whatsoever.
And we made sure we sign our posts to differentiate each other.
If you wanted to read Luciana's posts, all you had to do is look for post signed with "Luciana" or "L".
If you wanted to read Aegina's posts, all you had to do is look for post signed with "Aegina."
"Hydras screw with my head" have nothing to do in this case, because only extra work it requires is looking for signs.

-L

[Yggdra Union]

"your case is based on something that I didn't even say." → "your 'case' is based on something that I didn't even say."
-L

[Yggdra Union]

it doesn't matter who's doing the posting. The fact that I have to read 2 different people with different styles for the same slot is the same regardless of whether or not they sign their posts.

am I not allowed to say the same thing with a bit different wording? you seem to enjoy nitpicking at my grammar.

i'm sorry that you think
reacting to baldeagle
and
reacting to baldeagle's case
are two completely different, and divergent thoughts. They are not, but hey. English is your second language right?

TBH, that part was me messing with the wording for part trolling, part getting you excited for more reaction, and part strawman-bait.

also. making a case on someone and pushing it isn't a reaction bro. that's called instigation.

I also mentioned the whole "reaction" you saw, which is me saying "that doesn't apply to me" like three times.

I have a new question.... now that the wagon on you is running out of steam (ald) bald switches to me. Is that scummy? it's basically what he's accusing me of.

It is.
That was my whole point of my case.

Considering that he looked like he firmly believed that I scumslipped, he dropped it too easily.

-L

[Yggdra Union]

that a hammer?

Also why is Krazy town again?

-L

[Yggdra Union]

When I close my eyes and pick a random name from remaining 9 players, I have 56% of picking scum.
Does that answer your question?

Joking aside, I have you in "to be sorted" list along with Aldus and others. I haven't reread your ISO yet, but that's bound to happen soon.

-L

[Yggdra Union]

What she asked is what do you want to hear about from those you mentioned.

-L

[Yggdra Union]

om isn't scum..... no way. come on bald try to be better then this.

Why?

-L

[Yggdra Union]

I'm not going to stop talking because of some random plan that you have, TIP.

@Om: I'll grant you that you've expressed town reads on Krazy, elle, and Yggdra, but I don't think you've said much of anything about TIP at all. Also, why is Yggdra town?

TIP is pretty much town by extension of Klick being town and also TIP hasn't given me bad vibes either so yeah.
Yggdra is town because gut and I liked Yggdra's responses to the whole "scumslip" fiasco. Also what I pointed out about the change in posting style made sense when taken into consideration the identity of the two players.

Hold un a sec.
How would you know my posting style?
We only played like 1 game together, and that was not my... Best game I've played.
(Goddammit compulsive gladiator)

-L

[Yggdra Union]

> Om is townreading me
> calls it bussing

-L

[Yggdra Union]

there's no scum case on her/him (i'm to lazy to look) absolutely none. And I have ZERO gut pointing to her being scum. No gut+no evidence=not scum.

adding to the bald case. he is moving from target to target on horrible to almost okay cases, as if he's trying to find someone that his "points" will stick too. Just like he's trying to look like he's scumhunting but is really just trying to get people lynched.

So basically no shirt, no shoes, no service?

-L

[Yggdra Union]

Few posts ago you called me null and you're magically calling me scum again?
I think that's omgusing too.

-L

[Yggdra Union]

Trumpet King was a guess,

I didn't really have a 5th scumread.

Sure it was PoE.

-L

[Yggdra Union]

Yeah, Trumpet was the last null and everyone was town. So I tossed him in the scum pile. So, yep, that's PoE.

First of all, stay on topic. I'm talking about your read change on me.
You had null on me, and then change to scumread because I was "bussing each other with Om."
I proved that wrong, you say that your scumreads still stand because, PoE.

Second of all, I call BS on your so-called PoE.
What I bolded in my previous post shows that you've been scumhunting, therefore you scumreading someone via PoE is a lie. You should've been townreading ppl based on PoE if you were actually using PoE.

-L

[Yggdra Union]

basically I was saying while I disagreed with baldeagle's case, and pointed out why, I still agreed that union was scum. My views on his scummyness are independent of my views of Union's scummyness.

And this basically boils down to you scumreading me (enough to switch vote to me) because I called his "case" on me irrelevant!

-L

[Yggdra Union]

Prove it otherwise.
My conclusion is based on what you said and what I actually did.

-L

[Yggdra Union]

1. You said you scumread me because of my reaction to bald's "case."
2. Bald didn't even had a case on me.
3. The one thing that "might" look like a case is that number theory, which I responded with "it's irrelevant."
4. Therefore, that's what you're scumreading me with.

Alternatively, you might be talking about my whole talk about scumslip- oh wait. You denied that the relevance of your scumread on me with scumslip business. Never mind that.
-L

[Yggdra Union]

Denied the*

[Yggdra Union]

Yet another lazy response.
But I'll bite that for now.
Then why weren't there any reference to that when you voted me?

-L

[Yggdra Union]

Also quote those posts that gave you the ping, just so that I can see if you're BSing.

-L