VARSOON VARIETY HOUR : GAME SCRAPPED

Venmar · Post Post #30 (isolation #0) » Mon Mar 12, 2018 5:42 am

hey guys, literal god here reporting in, and i'd just like y'all to know that this game will be easy

thanks

Venmar · Post Post #39 (isolation #1) » Mon Mar 12, 2018 6:20 am

^ confirmed scum for buddying an anime avatar

Venmar · Post Post #42 (isolation #2) » Mon Mar 12, 2018 6:27 am

someone once said i had an anime avatar and i fell into a spiral of self-destruction and dread

Venmar · Post Post #108 (isolation #3) » Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:58 am

HI GUYS PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT

I NEED TO BE THE 2ND LARGEST WAGON EACH DAY TO GET MANA. NOT VOTING ME IS AN ACTUAL SCUMCLAIM, THIS IS NOT A FARCE

thank you, cooperating with me so i can use my role would be greatly appreciated so i can break this game open

Venmar · Post Post #111 (isolation #4) » Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:01 am

Venmar · Post Post #123 (isolation #5) » Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:17 am

listen listen listen listen listen

i think we need to all get back on track here. i am simply stating a fact here, im an immaculate player and wouldn't get voted otherwise so i needed to get that off my chest. we can move on as long as yall let me rack in the mula, im not a jester but damn this is a game of hot potato of a role

Venmar · Post Post #130 (isolation #6) » Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:22 am

In post 127, OnTheMark wrote:
In post 126, Creature wrote:I don't think we actually have a townblock rn unless I'm missing something.
I do. You’re in it.

am in it. i want in

Venmar · Post Post #131 (isolation #7) » Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:22 am

just kidding i actually don't, arbitrary townblocks this early as sus af

Venmar · Post Post #140 (isolation #8) » Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:32 am

In post 133, Chara wrote:the fact is that if claiming how we all get mana would help the town coordinate to give everyone mana, this would not be a Varsoon game.

are you saying that im lying about the way i can get mana or are you saying im not lying and im scum with said ability?

Venmar · Post Post #146 (isolation #9) » Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:35 am

also as far as im concerned this game is no longer rvs and voting rvs is a scumclaim. y'all are welcome

Pedit: rip, my first varsoon game
pedit2: @chara

Venmar · Post Post #148 (isolation #10) » Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:35 am

In post 145, Taly wrote:So much meta, game references, and pre-game talk O____o

I don't quite know what to think.

scum

Venmar · Post Post #150 (isolation #11) » Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:36 am

yoooooooooooooooooooooooo i wasnt asking you markman

Venmar · Post Post #151 (isolation #12) » Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:36 am

good page top

Venmar · Post Post #155 (isolation #13) » Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:39 am

also ftr i dont like hydras and i have a hard time following them, if each and every hydra could sig who is who in the hydra, that would be greatly appreciated. particularly applies to tibor and ?? since theyre signing under codenames.

Venmar · Post Post #161 (isolation #14) » Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:43 am

maid cafe overlooked the fact that mark forming arbitrary and hyper-early townblocks also looks productive without actually being so. <.< >.>

Venmar · Post Post #167 (isolation #15) » Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:54 am

"people who dont like my playstyle are scum"

sounds silly and superfluous without having to even be said out-loud.

Venmar · Post Post #170 (isolation #16) » Mon Mar 12, 2018 11:01 am

In post 169, OnTheMark wrote:Til then you’re just bitching you aren’t in the town block.

In post 130, Venmar wrote:am in it. i want in

In post 131, Venmar wrote:just kidding i actually don't, arbitrary townblocks this early as sus af

Venmar · Post Post #283 (isolation #17) » Tue Mar 13, 2018 4:13 am

In post 281, baku and munna wrote:venmar is a townlean, i respect the shitpost

listen here fucko, i will not take that lying down

Venmar · Post Post #286 (isolation #18) » Tue Mar 13, 2018 4:21 am

quick catchup; going to go ahead and lock in chara as probably town by play, and i feel pretty good about maid cafe as well.

we're making progress here people

Venmar · Post Post #288 (isolation #19) » Tue Mar 13, 2018 4:24 am

is your thought process:

oh hey he made a joke, he's town!
oh hey's townreading a slot that's clashing with me, he might not be town!

or ??

Venmar · Post Post #294 (isolation #20) » Tue Mar 13, 2018 4:41 am

i don't think im sheeping anyone actually, lol. if i am its a pure coincidence since i just kind of skimmed the thread and those two reads were the ones that jumped out at me.

im townreading chara because of this post:

In post 207, Chara wrote:like this isn't AI. maybe it is but i wouldn't know how to look at it. i hate reading it, not because it's noise (i really don't care about noise), but because i can see what both of you are trying to say. but there's no clear communication, just a series of misinterpretations. that's why it's taking pages and pages to explain simple things on, now, both fronts.

which just screams "hey i'm town, slap that on me pls". chara here is giving genuine, well-intentioned guidance and structure to the discussion, and combined with chara's discussion regarding claims, which again feel like he's trying to steer us solely into town's benefits, i think chara is coming from a strong townie mindset

maid cafe is town because im mirror telling them regarding their points on onthemark and because i think their questioning of mark in general was a productive exercise of scumhunting

Venmar · Post Post #374 (isolation #21) » Tue Mar 13, 2018 1:02 pm

In post 347, Shining Dreamers wrote:I felt this way about another person once, and I was right, so there is 90% chance I am right this time as well.

how could you possibly be 90% sure on anything this early.

In post 368, Tibor and Lumia wrote:Venmar seems a bit off.

lol your face seems a bit off

In post 362, Shining Dreamers wrote:Actually, it was me, and yet it wasn't.

The statement before this one is true.

The statement before THIS one is false.

So tell me, is it me, or is it not?

this post is cancer

Venmar · Post Post #376 (isolation #22) » Tue Mar 13, 2018 1:02 pm

quick reminder to everyone that i need to be 2nd largest wagon each day to be useful :/

vote: Venmar

Venmar · Post Post #382 (isolation #23) » Tue Mar 13, 2018 1:31 pm

i mean im ground to rip it up during the day

Venmar · Post Post #388 (isolation #24) » Tue Mar 13, 2018 1:45 pm

Venmar · Post Post #408 (isolation #25) » Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:56 pm

In post 395, Bronya Zaychik wrote:The reason for being less transparent with my scumreads is I am worried about getting nightkilled this game. Getting eliminated by scum is minus equity. A dead Bronya is a useless Bronya.

this post has me curious. why did you feel the need to explain being less transparent?

on the topic of transparency of reads i wouldnt be opposed to hearing why you're townreading your list

In post 399, Shining Dreamers wrote:While I find the meta point on OnTheMark to be a valid concern, literally everything else about Maid Cafe in that entire conversation is trash, and absolutely wasn't a productive exercise in scumhunting; the questions were obtuse in a way I wouldn't consider town. The entire time, I was siding with primarily Chara/OnTheMark

i just simply disagree? i think cafe was pretty blunt and forward, to the point, not obtuse. i think you're discrediting them more than scumreading them.

Venmar · Post Post #490 (isolation #26) » Wed Mar 14, 2018 4:20 am

In post 480, Tibor and Lumia wrote:
In post 477, Chara wrote:historically, a scum lynch on day 1 is actually worse for town. sometimes, it can work out wonderfully despite that. but for the most part, i'd call it bad. Maki knows what i mean.

therefore, seeing as my role powers up on town deaths, and a day 1 scum lynch is bad for town, i propose we collectively agree to lynch town. i know it sounds silly, but it makes sense. i hate seeing town do well on the first day only to tank every other.

VOTE: Mark
How is a day 1 scum lynch bad for town? Please explain the theory, since I have never personally heard this one.

-Tibor

vote: Tibor

Venmar · Post Post #491 (isolation #27) » Wed Mar 14, 2018 4:21 am

^ that's a knee-jerk scum reaction to chara's theory if i've ever seen one

Venmar · Post Post #493 (isolation #28) » Wed Mar 14, 2018 4:29 am

it's the first time i've heard of the theory, pretty null on it, more interested in the reactions to it. i honestly thinks it's kind of silly and we should just lynch productively and naturally to what the gamestate demands, but it's not like i haven't seen wackier theories have some merit.

Venmar · Post Post #496 (isolation #29) » Wed Mar 14, 2018 4:40 am

i don't think me pursuing a wagon on me is natural at all actually. i think

from my pov

a wagon on me falls under the "productive" category.

Venmar · Post Post #499 (isolation #30) » Wed Mar 14, 2018 4:48 am

i think you're wanting to draw conclusions from places that don't have them lol. a wagon on me in this case is productive only from my pov so i don't expect it to look like so to you from yours. a wagon on you is productive if the people pushing it think you're scum. a wagon on town can be productive from chara's pov. simple as that, nowhere in #493 did i specify that being "productive" or "natural" has to mean the lynch is on scum.

why do you think i am forcing a wagon on myself, which i no longer am? do you consider me and only me voting myself a wagon and "forced"?

Venmar · Post Post #515 (isolation #31) » Wed Mar 14, 2018 5:54 am

In post 513, Skybird wrote:Are you scrum w/ Chara?

Venmar · Post Post #529 (isolation #32) » Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:27 am

In post 523, Reasonably Rational wrote:I don't really see why anyone townreads Venmar. Not to say I expect him to be scum, I just don't see evidence for thinking he's town.

are you reading me as null?

Venmar · Post Post #634 (isolation #33) » Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:47 am

In post 612, OnTheMark wrote:
In post 611, Tibor and Lumia wrote:
In post 157, Creature wrote:Still don't understand how Venmar is out the townblock, but whatever.
Mind explaining how Venmar is in a townblock? All he did was claim how he gets mana. Don't see what's so towny about that, explecially since it's probably NAI
~Lumia
He's not. He keeps trying.

you keep saying this as if saying it enough times will make it true

Venmar · Post Post #636 (isolation #34) » Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:49 am

In post 630, Tibor and Lumia wrote:
In post 282, Iconeum wrote:How do we even have claims?? GAME HASN'T STARTED YET
This feels faked. Scumread
~Lumia

the irony of this post is that it reads as equally faked lol. scumread

Venmar · Post Post #641 (isolation #35) » Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:54 am

In post 617, Reasonably Rational wrote:^^ Also, I wrote up my response to your post in our hydra PT, but since nobody seems to care about your case or agree with you(so far), I won't bother posting it! <3

i'll actually be the devils advocate here cause im curious in your response. right now you're just smugly dismissing and discrediting the case.

Venmar · Post Post #648 (isolation #36) » Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:03 am

mark you're sheeping me

Venmar · Post Post #650 (isolation #37) » Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:04 am

pagetop

Venmar · Post Post #679 (isolation #38) » Wed Mar 14, 2018 4:42 pm

im avid six samurai player myself in yugioh

Venmar · Post Post #704 (isolation #39) » Thu Mar 15, 2018 3:45 am

In post 701, Iconeum wrote:Venmar, who do you read as scum in this game?
Other then voting yourself 'for mana gain', you are voting Tibor because the slot went against purposefully lynching townie D1 as a general strategy... Of all things Tibor hydra posted, that's like the one thing I really liked about him.

it shouldn't be the the thing you like about them though, lol. tibor had a knee-jerk scum reaction to the strat chara mentioned and has been fake posting all game so far

Venmar · Post Post #706 (isolation #40) » Thu Mar 15, 2018 3:52 am

not universally

Venmar · Post Post #717 (isolation #41) » Thu Mar 15, 2018 4:25 am

can anyone with more meta comment on almost50's entry? am i the only one that feels like he's under-contributing than what i'd expect?

Venmar · Post Post #721 (isolation #42) » Thu Mar 15, 2018 4:28 am

you might as well not have answered me then

pedit: re:mark re:a50

Venmar · Post Post #729 (isolation #43) » Thu Mar 15, 2018 4:44 am

In post 726, Chara wrote:have you seen scum Almost, Venmar?

i have not. only town almost. thats why i asked.

Venmar · Post Post #750 (isolation #44) » Thu Mar 15, 2018 5:15 am

In post 739, Reasonably Rational wrote:All of the above is not to say that I think OTM is scum, however, their play is questionable so far with regards to my slot at least
-Cerb

In post 744, Reasonably Rational wrote:I think OTM already let it go when they saw nobody was actually buying into their case. As I said, I would have just let it lie myself
but there are parts of that push that don't make sense for someone as familiar with me as they are to make.

these confuse me. cerb do you think onthemark is scum, or town?

Venmar · Post Post #899 (isolation #45) » Thu Mar 15, 2018 9:08 am

chara is town

Venmar · Post Post #913 (isolation #46) » Thu Mar 15, 2018 9:17 am

In post 898, Reasonably Rational wrote:I knew you were a liar. I was trying to figure out under what circumstances the play you were making was possible if you were town.

cerb have you never seen town claim miller falsely?

Venmar · Post Post #917 (isolation #47) » Thu Mar 15, 2018 9:18 am

In post 915, Reasonably Rational wrote:Doesn't matter if I have or not(I haven't), it's a nonsensical shitty play that's beneath Chara.

is chara town or scum

Venmar · Post Post #934 (isolation #48) » Thu Mar 15, 2018 9:28 am

In post 923, Reasonably Rational wrote:I should just expect everyone, even the people who I respect, to play like shit?

Got it. Will do so going forward.

Expectations officially lowered.

you should stop being incredibly disingenuous. nobody is really below or above any type of play.

Venmar · Post Post #942 (isolation #49) » Thu Mar 15, 2018 9:33 am

english is my 2nd language, i probably used it wrong. pretentious might've been the right word, i don't know, i just don't think you should punish people for not playing to your high standards. chara's play might've not been the best but you're just shading chara as a player and not just for the play at that point

pedit: re Cerberus

Venmar · Post Post #955 (isolation #50) » Thu Mar 15, 2018 9:40 am

chara's #945 is a good example of what cerb's mentality causes, btw.

cerb is a generally emotional player in my experience though my experience isn't thorough enough to determine if it's alignment indicative or not.

anyone with meta on cerb, can you confirm or deny if it's in his town range to shade/discredit people (not exclusively regarding chara, it's something i've seen him do this game and it's bothering me).

i also got work soon so i'll be gone till tomorrow probably

Venmar · Post Post #1195 (isolation #51) » Fri Mar 16, 2018 5:38 am

catching up on 10 pages

Venmar · Post Post #1204 (isolation #52) » Fri Mar 16, 2018 5:44 am

In post 1094, Bronya Zaychik wrote:Or, to be more exact, you picked the safest reads in the game, trying to look useful scumhunting townie, but was not aware that you made a mistake and Dunnstral had only 1 post.

im known to have poor reading comprehension/remembrance but even i remembered maid cafe making this post:

In post 736, Maid Cafe wrote:Is it bad I town read Dunnstral for the timing of his "hi" post?
Because I do and according to Maki that's really stupid

~B

and like, not that it's a good reason to townread dunn, but it's there. did you just have a twitch reaction to cafe's townlist and grasp for a reason to shade it or?

Venmar · Post Post #1211 (isolation #53) » Fri Mar 16, 2018 5:49 am

In post 1148, OnTheMark wrote:Oh yay!

Titus says to push something and I do.

Then I get called derp tunneling for pushing something and explaining my read as asked and assaults on my skill.

Please tell me to go write “OTM is a good player” then say I am a horrible player for writing it.

I don’t have time for this shit I am going to work.

Let me know when I am allowed to push someone.

going to hard lock mark in as town ladies and gents

Venmar · Post Post #1231 (isolation #54) » Fri Mar 16, 2018 6:19 am

cerb, you and your chara read is just killing me. im losing my will to live

Venmar · Post Post #1263 (isolation #55) » Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:32 am

oh no did shiro roll scum?

pedit: im officially reading the "scum caught in a gambit" mentality as baku positioning themselves to be able to vote chara if the gamestate changes it's mind

Venmar · Post Post #1286 (isolation #56) » Fri Mar 16, 2018 8:39 am

this is why hydras are actually the worst

Venmar · Post Post #1288 (isolation #57) » Fri Mar 16, 2018 8:41 am

oh i was just referring to the non-stop altslips being done by everyone

Venmar · Post Post #1291 (isolation #58) » Fri Mar 16, 2018 8:44 am

what is everyone's read on tibor btw :/

Venmar · Post Post #1296 (isolation #59) » Fri Mar 16, 2018 8:53 am

ok, scum, got it

Venmar · Post Post #1312 (isolation #60) » Fri Mar 16, 2018 9:16 am

yeah it's me, chara, maid cafe, otm, and maybe a50. im accepting further applications

pedit: re creature

Venmar · Post Post #1316 (isolation #61) » Fri Mar 16, 2018 9:19 am

In post 1315, Bronya Zaychik wrote:Considering maid is tied for largest wagons, this feels more like you throwing out your trs

idk what this means

Venmar · Post Post #1320 (isolation #62) » Fri Mar 16, 2018 9:21 am

In post 1318, Bronya Zaychik wrote:Maid is tied for largest wagon with three votes thus not a universal TR.

Your "townblock" feels more like you putting your reads in as a block rather than organic play.

yeah i still dont know what youre talking about. ive been townreading maid cafe for quite a long time now if you iso me

Venmar · Post Post #1325 (isolation #63) » Fri Mar 16, 2018 9:27 am

Venmar · Post Post #1326 (isolation #64) » Fri Mar 16, 2018 9:27 am

lol the one time i didnt want a pagetop

Venmar · Post Post #1328 (isolation #65) » Fri Mar 16, 2018 9:35 am

youre just mad cause i rejected your application to MY townblock

Venmar · Post Post #1332 (isolation #66) » Fri Mar 16, 2018 9:42 am

In post 1331, Reasonably Rational wrote:I believe Venmar doesn't trust what he views as "waffling" on my part with regards to Chara.

-Cerb

omg, cerb is cognizant

(you missed the fact where your chara read also conveniently lets you angle for their lynch should it ever be convenient for you cause "haha they faked a miller claim 5 days ago so they scum now" and i don't like it)

Venmar · Post Post #1535 (isolation #67) » Sat Mar 17, 2018 3:42 am

catching up.... again.... happy to say that i can have a retry game with a town alisae tho

Venmar · Post Post #1536 (isolation #68) » Sat Mar 17, 2018 3:56 am

yeah, alisae is town

am i the only one that thinks 1515 and 1516 by tibor is mostly noise/fluff?

In post 1517, Alisae wrote:Tbh I'm tempted to just use the Elli tell for Brass and move on.

i am interested in these services that you may have to offer

Venmar · Post Post #1538 (isolation #69) » Sat Mar 17, 2018 3:58 am

bronya's buddying of alisae on page 58 gives me

shudders

pedit: o shit, there it is, the cerb discredit. do you actually believe i have been completely useless? do you even read my posts?

Venmar · Post Post #1549 (isolation #70) » Sat Mar 17, 2018 4:22 am

anyone wanna explain to me like im a little child how sky's alignment is tied to mine?

Venmar · Post Post #1551 (isolation #71) » Sat Mar 17, 2018 4:24 am

In post 1547, Kiana Kaslana wrote:
In post 1543, Reasonably Rational wrote:Hmm.

Actually, I just reread your iso.

You've done more than I remembered, Venmar. I think your tendency to mix complete shipposts in with your content may have caused me to disregard you prematurely.

Still don't think you've done anything especially town, but you haven't done as little as I thought you had.
-Cerb
Am townreading Venmar. Not strong enough IC-level but currently more than Shining Dreamers

where does titus stand on me?

Venmar · Post Post #1552 (isolation #72) » Sat Mar 17, 2018 4:25 am

also kiana please quote your alt slipped posts for iso purposes or stop altslipping

Venmar · Post Post #1569 (isolation #73) » Sat Mar 17, 2018 4:41 am

In post 1556, Bronya Zaychik wrote:Your lack of a townread on me is annoying but I don't think you're scum. There's other people who I want to focus on first as if you are town I have faith I'll get that aha moment and we'll work together well.

~Titus

why is it annoying? neither head has really done anything too townie. if you're town i'll sort you as such later.

any comment on your #1315 and #1318, where it definitely feels like you're actually leaning on a scumread on me?

Venmar · Post Post #1744 (isolation #74) » Sat Mar 17, 2018 4:36 pm

Kind of catching up again, I'm on page 65 and I'm confused as to why everyone is garbage posting

Venmar · Post Post #1749 (isolation #75) » Sat Mar 17, 2018 4:56 pm

eh i think im going to change my vote to the guy that has been all voice and... that's it

vote: reasonably rational

Venmar · Post Post #1754 (isolation #76) » Sat Mar 17, 2018 5:05 pm

In post 1752, Reasonably Rational wrote:So, Venmar, why now and not earlier?

-Cerb

because it's silly now

In post 1751, Purple Heart wrote:
In post 1749, Venmar wrote:eh i think im going to change my vote to the guy that has been all voice and... that's it

vote: reasonably rational
BUT CAN I INTEREST YOU
IN MICC?

for 2 anime coins, maybe

Venmar · Post Post #1761 (isolation #77) » Sat Mar 17, 2018 5:20 pm

hey now, you won't achieve your dreams with

that

attitude my friend

pedit: @OTM's last post

Venmar · Post Post #1765 (isolation #78) » Sat Mar 17, 2018 5:26 pm

In post 1572, Bronya Zaychik wrote:Putting your reads as the consensus is what you and I did in Civ and we were mostly right.

just remembered this response; i don't remember playing in any "civ" games?

Venmar · Post Post #1772 (isolation #79) » Sat Mar 17, 2018 5:34 pm

In post 1764, OnTheMark wrote:Meh I don’t give a shit about dreams right now.

Mafia is a game of influence. I will save up my chips if I have to.

now join the cause you've been destined for

Venmar · Post Post #1777 (isolation #80) » Sat Mar 17, 2018 5:37 pm

In post 1775, OnTheMark wrote:I don’t understand the gif? What cause am I destined for?

-my attempt at a joke-
-your head-

join on me on rr

Venmar · Post Post #1893 (isolation #81) » Sun Mar 18, 2018 4:56 am

i like this shining dreams vote prospect. but isn't rr the rational vote?

Venmar · Post Post #1896 (isolation #82) » Sun Mar 18, 2018 4:58 am

i will sheep this

vote: Shining Dreams

Venmar · Post Post #1910 (isolation #83) » Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:24 am

Venmar · Post Post #1915 (isolation #84) » Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:27 am

i get some mana if the day phase ends with me as the second largest wagon

Venmar · Post Post #1919 (isolation #85) » Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:31 am

has drixx even posted yet. idk who drixx is

Venmar · Post Post #2237 (isolation #86) » Sun Mar 18, 2018 4:15 pm

oh shit, this might actually be town gamma

Venmar · Post Post #2243 (isolation #87) » Sun Mar 18, 2018 4:22 pm

gamma, aside from baku, who's scum?

Venmar · Post Post #2299 (isolation #88) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 4:09 am

wow i only have to catch up on 2 pages this game? we're evolving guys

In post 2281, Purple Heart wrote:
Cerb

So, you're not voting until you're certain of scum or until it's needed to push the game along...?

i think what you meant to ask if why cerb doesn't talk about his scumreads period.

Venmar · Post Post #2305 (isolation #89) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 4:14 am

In post 2294, Bronya Zaychik wrote:Yeah, we're bolting on this SD wagon. We don't think it's pushed by any wolves but we both have the creeps. I'm concerned because my scumreads aren't attempting a counterpush or bussing. Kiana just gets a bad gut feeling.

UNVOTE: SD

reeeeeeeeee. idk why but i don't like this waffle off of the wagon.

Venmar · Post Post #2308 (isolation #90) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 4:17 am

id appreciate the votes so i appreciate the thought mrs. anime avatar

Venmar · Post Post #2311 (isolation #91) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 4:21 am

In post 2309, Purple Heart wrote:
Venmar,
are you going to do anything beyond begging for votes?

is anyone ever in this game going to stop boiling me down to this?

Venmar · Post Post #2314 (isolation #92) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 4:24 am

like i've made 92 posts. i'd agree that 4 of my posts are about me mentioning needing to be the 2nd largest wagon. i'd agree you could stretch that to 6 since i discuss it in 2 other posts. 6/92

fuck off leave me alone

Venmar · Post Post #2319 (isolation #93) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 4:29 am

maid cafe why have you only been pushing micc all game?

Venmar · Post Post #2322 (isolation #94) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 4:38 am

In post 2320, Purple Heart wrote:
In post 2311, Venmar wrote:
In post 2309, Purple Heart wrote:
Venmar,
are you going to do anything beyond begging for votes?
is anyone ever in this game going to stop boiling me down to this?
Actually, I didn't think you were just that. I wanted to see if you'd point to reads or your own thoughts on something.

yeah id recommend actually reading my iso rather than boiling me down to some post i made about being a wagon you read when the game started

Venmar · Post Post #2326 (isolation #95) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 4:50 am

micc should probably get prodded

decided to iso micc to see what all of the fuss is about. i don't like posts like #1424 and #1465, but i do like posts like #1437, #1469. micc reads more like misunderstood town, his posts feel genuine.

someone might have to hold my hands here but yeah im not interested in voting micc today at all

Venmar · Post Post #2381 (isolation #96) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:10 am

cerb why are you unnecessarily ripping into creature over semantics -_-

i ask because i don't see any intention behind it other than to post "content"

Venmar · Post Post #2385 (isolation #97) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:18 am

i think most people understood that 2360 was creature saying that he disagreed with the idea of micc being genuine. the "ughh" telegraphs his tone from a mile away.

why did you feel the need to nitpick his grammar? there's literally no point in doing so. you're causing a commotion for no reason at all and it's distracting, and i don't know how to read it anymore

Venmar · Post Post #2389 (isolation #98) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:23 am

In post 2386, Reasonably Rational wrote:I just realized there is no VC that shows votes on my slot right now, but I'm sure people *have* voted me, it's just nobody has voted me with enough belief that I'm the best choice to lynch, or that the wagon will go anywhere, to actually keep their vote on long enough for it to show up in a VC.

this is debatable

though cerb might be best to be tabled as a lynch prospect until at least day 2 so he can at least try to prove that his play becomes more "protown" after d1.

:thinking emoji:

In post 2387, Reasonably Rational wrote:I'm not here to make things easy for you to read Venmar, so you not knowing "how to read it anymore" isn't particularly concerning.

to be fair i just tend to say shit. im still forming an opinion here regardless

cerb i'd like an update on your read on me

Venmar · Post Post #2396 (isolation #99) » Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:32 am

In post 2390, Reasonably Rational wrote:You're still irrelevant to me Venmar,

that is hella rude. i will not take that lying down, sir

Venmar · Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:41 am

In post 2399, Reasonably Rational wrote:and generally seem to be doing your own thing,

i take this as a compliment because it's true

to be fair, i don't really think anyone has much of an influence on the game state, to be completely honest. most people seem to be trying to do their own thing. there isn't much of a direction right now in what we're doing and there's a lot more noise than action and content right now.

^ we should work on fixing that and i think you (cerb) providing more concrete scumreads or actually pushing someone might be a step in the right direction

Venmar · Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:43 am

also "irrelevant" isn't really a read. it might mean "null" in your eyes or something, idk, but a player can be town or scum and irrelevant at the same time.

Venmar · Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:53 am

i think creature is trying to say that mastin would be a mess/all over the place right now as town, but is instead playing carefully and deliberately; the super slow catchup being an example of that. i definitely agree with creature too

In post 2407, Reasonably Rational wrote:When I provide concrete scumreads or push someone that person will die(okay, maybe not, but I will certainly try). Unfortunately, as I said, it really doesn't work to do that on D1. Hell, usually I don't even really gather sufficient data until D3+(which is probably part of why mastina said we shouldn't be lynched until then, because at that point everything we're doing should come to fruition and we should have a shortlist of scumspects remaining).

i hope you understand that stuff like this to me makes me read most of your posts as you constantly copping out. you gotta work with me man.

Venmar · Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:57 am

In post 2416, Purple Heart wrote:Look
Here is my stance on this
Are we doing Micc or mastina?
I am okay with either one imo

mastin

Venmar · Tue Mar 20, 2018 4:54 am

In post 2541, Reasonably Rational wrote:Serious question: is everyone having fun?

If you're not having fun, let's talk about it and figure out how to make this fun. I think Micc left because he wasn't having fun, and that sucks.
-Cerb

In post 2545, Varsoon wrote:
I'm having fun.
That said, large games can be a huge undertaking and this one already has 100+ pages, so just keeping up with all of it on top of the mechanics I tend to put into a game can be overwhelming.
I want you all to know that I appreciate your dedication to the game. I know staying up to date with a game like this one can be difficult, so thanks for sticking with it.

im having fun. this is actually one of my favourite games in a little while and im happy to be playing it

that said everytime i go to work or go to sleep i wake up to 10+ pages, and now we're at 106 pages, and it's burning me out really fast

catching up on 10 pages again :/, and i work in like 30 mins

Venmar · Tue Mar 20, 2018 1:42 pm

well im back from work?

In post 2739, Maid Cafe wrote:Ok to put my read really simply because I like to lie to myself and say I am studying while I procrastinate. And I am stupidly lazy atm.

Compare how Gamma plays in the average town game to his play here. Gamma is typically a super open player like Creature levels of open and it's just super apparent when you read his town games when nothing he posts makes sense because its all just his raw thoughts and it's just generally obvious town. And it's not like Gamma is at Mark's level where he can emulate that as either alignment.
Just generally i think his average town thought processes aren't really present and it feels a lot more like a player going through motions then anything else. Like his most recent post really just read as scum posting for the sake of it and I can pull up other posts but that is just the trend I get while reading his posts.

Like I feel like if you just read his ISO it's just really obvious there is just a closed nature to his posts that really is never there when he is town.
Sorry if this is poorly explained but that's generally why I think he is scum.

~B

i will note that i actually initially townread gamma for the completely opposite of this; i came in and i actually thought gamma's posting reminded me of his town play. i agree with your description of gamma's townplay and i think his posts like the ones above my #2237 fit the criteria of what i considered towngamma since a lot of them just look like he is dumping his thoughts into the thread.

Venmar · Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:18 pm

vermintide 2 is a dope cooperative game

Venmar · Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:10 am

i'd actually agree that just because a player is "strong" they should not get any special treat or pass.

alisae's #2889 basically permanently concretes their slot as town in my mind. it's also a really solid case on shining dreamers

Venmar · Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:15 am

<--- Strong

Venmar · Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:24 am

In post 2879, Shining Dreamers wrote:
In post 1288, Venmar wrote:oh i was just referring to the non-stop altslips being done by everyone
EXCUSE me.
My 'altslips' were because the account wasn't actually active; it was impossible to post on the right account at the time.
If I had trouble posting on mastina in a game I was playing as that account, you can bet your ass I'd post on mastin2 or some well-known hydra account or the like, since I'm gonna play and not wait for the stupid activation.

1. i wasnt really aiming at you with my hydra comment
2. lol

posting all of this garbage while dreamers is still on page 58 or something is just super counterintuitive play. i don't even remember mastin having this kind of reclusive playstyle in the past

Venmar · Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:25 am

In post 2975, Maid Cafe wrote:@Alisae SD is town please sheep me blindly, thank you

~B

y

Venmar · Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:34 am

In post 2979, Maid Cafe wrote:It's not even a me thing.
I don't think Mastina opens the game by making the Yume be invested into a push on someone as scum. It's an odd line of play.

~b

is this play alignment indicative? if yes, why is it indicative of town rather than scum? "odd" lines of play don't escape the minds of scum

Venmar · Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:44 am

In post 2983, Maid Cafe wrote:Because it forces Yume into following up on the push on me.
It's a line of play you'd make with a more confident/stronger scum player as a hydra partner that can easily make up a case on anyone.

But I don't think that's a line of play you make with Yume. Considering how easily I could have just decided to fight that and force a 1v1.

~B

i can't comment too much on this because i don't think i've played with or played much with yume before. however, i think it's safe to say that mastin has been the primary poster of the hydra, despite mastin saying in the beginning that the plan was for yume to be the primary poster and for mastin to take a more laid back role. yume hasn't even had to commit to a 1v1.

Venmar · Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:45 am

In post 2986, Maid Cafe wrote:Like can anyone really identify what Gamma is accomplishing this game.

~B

i've mainly only played with town gamma before and my answer to this is almost always either "i don't know" or "nothing" (no offense)

Venmar · Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:51 am

In post 2995, Reasonably Rational wrote:Neither Mastin nor Yume has committed to much of anything. Yume has gone quiet, and Mastin is 70 pages behind, which is plenty of time for her to craft whatever positions she wants to hold by the time she catches up(again, as either alignment).

it baffles me that you can write something like this and not be suspicious of the slot.

Venmar · Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:54 am

i think we are accomplishing/engaging/pushing things. we just lack direction.

i mean OTM makes up 20% of this thread. 20%

Venmar · Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:03 am

-you-
-lack-
-direction-

i have a couple times tried to get you to vote RR when you clearly scumread them. people try to work with you to try and construct a solid push or wagon and you ignore them cause (??? reasons).

you criticized me for just doing my own thing, but here you are, voting alisae all by yourself. that wagon won't happen today, which puts the influence of your 600 posts to waste.

mark do you think dreamers is scum, and why or why not.

PEDIT: @Mark

Venmar · Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:05 am

In post 3013, Reasonably Rational wrote:Not going to tell you, because I've repeatedly said that I won't be sharing that information. Well, I didn't explicitly say that, but I did say that I don't form strong enough opinions to push anything on D1 generally.

you're actually not worth interacting with anymore because of this mentality. good bye

Venmar · Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:09 am

In post 3017, Reasonably Rational wrote:pedit: Finally, Venmar sees the light and goes to sniff someone else's ass

fuck off

Venmar · Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:11 am

maid, any thoughts on my remark here:

In post 2990, Venmar wrote:i've mainly only played with town gamma before and my answer to this is almost always either "i don't know" or "nothing" (no offense)

Venmar · Fri Mar 23, 2018 12:47 pm

what the actual fuck

Venmar · Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:46 pm

that face when taly starts crumbling down your alisae townread

taly's push on gamma makes me hesitate. feels like an agenda-pushed read, taly's really just yelling gamma down for refusing to agree to a massclaim, which advocating for as he is here reads as super awkward since i don't think anyone here really knows what is going on and taly is giving me the impression that he somehow does?

taly can you lay out for me where alisae sits on the gamma read

Venmar · Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:29 pm

okay, so idk what im at right now with this game

so let me say where i'm at right now with this game; here's where i'm at: i'm kind of lost. my #3272 came from a point of frustration based on the game changing flavours, and after recollection i'm actually still fine with alisae's slot, though i'm still definitely not happy with pushing a massclaim this early.

i find myself agreeing, yet being at conflict with my townreads. i think maid cafe and purple heart are solving this game, but i disagree with some of their reads that they are pushing hard right now, and by reads i really just mean the singular read of gamma. i am purely, and entirely, solely townreading gamma off gut. im definitely not qualified to make this read since my meta with gamma isn't THAT long, and i had troubles reading him in some games, but my honest to god, twitch, blind gut reaction to his posting here is that he is town. i still think gamma's posting is just like what i remembered it to be from valentines mafia, and i also townread gamma's frustration and exasperation since it's again something i associate with his town-range.

that said:

In post 3178, Maid Cafe wrote:Gamma Emerald.
Almost50.
Baku and Munna.
Nacy Drew

~B

i think this is a good place to start. im still not sold on the micc slot, i still think micc's play was genuine though nacy drew is nulling the slot up by being, well, absent, though i'm still not ready to lynch the slot. i can definitely get behind baku and almost50 though since i think a50 is missing the direction and purpose i associate with his townplay, his play just feels apathetic and meandering, and my impression of baku's play as-so-far is just doing some very wolfy popins and doing some scummy posturing (their positioning regarding chara's claim mainly comes to mind).

vote: baku

^ i think this is the vote to go with today i think

In post 3321, Maid Cafe wrote:Me and Claire decided claiming this was correct. (lol day roleblocker if thats a thing).

We can put 3 people in a hood RBing all of them.

We kinda want to use this to win the game on the spot.

~B

nutty. i think lynching baku and putting a50/gamma/?? in the neighborhood is the right play here. i'm more interested in testing gamma via the rb than lynching him to be honest.

Venmar · Sat Mar 24, 2018 12:23 pm

In post 3361, Chara wrote:Almost is town.

why?

Venmar · Sat Mar 24, 2018 12:24 pm

In post 3369, Maid Cafe wrote:Taly talk to Alisae, I think the plan for today is.
I RB, Cerb, Vanmar and Baku.

why are you even roleblocking me >.>

can you angle me in on your scumread on me or what?

Venmar · Sat Mar 24, 2018 1:43 pm

did i lose my vote without being told?

Venmar · Sat Mar 24, 2018 2:00 pm

cafe is there an update on your read on Baku?

Venmar · Sat Mar 24, 2018 2:13 pm

In post 3418, Venmar wrote:cafe is there an update on your read on Baku?

(and i also wanna know if you think that a50 is being genuine in being behind the hammer)

Venmar · Sat Mar 24, 2018 3:57 pm

In post 3436, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 3432, Venmar wrote:
In post 3418, Venmar wrote:cafe is there an update on your read on Baku?
(and i also wanna know if you think that a50 is being genuine in being behind the hammer)
Are you reading the thread?

yeah, are you? going to do something soon?

Venmar · Sat Mar 24, 2018 4:02 pm

In post 3437, Maid Cafe wrote:
In post 3432, Venmar wrote:
In post 3418, Venmar wrote:cafe is there an update on your read on Baku?
(and i also wanna know if you think that a50 is being genuine in being behind the hammer)
I stopped TRing them just based on play, it felt oddly evasive.
Then the reaction itself was kinda just odd to me?
Like it was a combination of complete faith it was coming from town all while thinking it was the worst thing they ever read, and sure people think I am a totally awful mafia player at times but like they suspect me when I decide to just openly play like trash.
If A50 is scum the motivation in claiming was obviously just the cover, otherwise I am not sure?

A50 expressed a TR on mastina.
I'd buy the town case as a quick hammer if it was an expressed scum read even as a lesser one, I really would in all honesty really take a good look at it.
It's just the real scum read of Gamma had a lot of potential, I could have swayed Alisae and Bronya to vote Gamma yesterday kinda easily.
It's just like I don't see the need to end the day like that on a town read as town :/

uhhhhh i feel like you only answered half of my question, or maybe im just dumb

Venmar · Sat Mar 24, 2018 4:04 pm

In post 3374, Venmar wrote:
In post 3369, Maid Cafe wrote:Taly talk to Alisae, I think the plan for today is.
I RB, Cerb, Vanmar and Baku.
why are you even roleblocking me >.>

can you angle me in on your scumread on me or what?

i also want this answered

Venmar · Sat Mar 24, 2018 5:46 pm

In post 3454, Reasonably Rational wrote:Venmar, can you express your position on the B&M/A50/MC/Gamma situation?

-Cerb

in the words of gamma, read the thread, i have

Venmar · Sun Mar 25, 2018 4:39 am

In post 3459, Reasonably Rational wrote:The important points being:

Do you still believe B&M is the best lynch for today, in light of that information?
Do you think A50 is more or less likely to be scum now?
Do you believe there's any possibility of some subset of those four slots being scum *together*, and either working to coordinate distancing, or enacting bussing plans instituted once OTM/MC were both revealed as threats to B&M?
Do you think MC's reasoning that it's more valuable to lynch someone besides the person he thinks is guilty, and RB the less probable scum target, again, based on the reasoning he used, is something that comes from town!MC?

I'm sure there are other questions, but I think you get the point.
-Cerb

i still think baku is scum by play and probably our lynch for today. a50 is less likely to be scum in my eyes now because i think his frustration and anger came from a town mindset, though his play still doesn't make sense even for the a50 that i know.

idk which slots you're referring to when you say "those four slots", cafe has a couple variations. i don't think any of cafe's slot combinations for the scumteam are accurate since i don't think gamma is scum and i know i'm not scum.

i think mc is basically lock town so im only trying to figure out their thought process when i talk to them. i think it's always more proficient to lynch slots we KNOW are scum rather than the less likely scum slot so we can rb the other or some other confusing shenanigans.

afaik cafe also hasn't gotten back to me why they're randomly scumreading me.

Venmar · Sun Mar 25, 2018 5:16 am

In post 3477, Bronya Zaychik wrote:Also, I would like to express our sincerest apologies about Shining Dreamers flipping town. That was not expected. We regret that push. Sorry, we have a part to blame there.

~Kiana

eeeeeek

me no likey

Venmar · Sun Mar 25, 2018 5:19 am

In post 3480, Bronya Zaychik wrote:Me no likey your avatar either.

~Kiana

the fuck? this isn't humanly possible?

Venmar · Sun Mar 25, 2018 5:20 am

genuinely though, what was the point of post #3477?

Venmar · Sun Mar 25, 2018 5:21 am

In post 3479, Bronya Zaychik wrote:Echoing Titus's opinion that Maid Cafe's hooding powers should be used for town-boosting rather than offensive purposes (blocking scum).

i actually think hooding people together is an overrated strength, the offensive value of the hood seems to be the winner in my books

Venmar · Mon Mar 26, 2018 6:01 pm

kind of catching up

Venmar · Mon Mar 26, 2018 6:13 pm

i should just lurk like dunn or snowman in my future games to just coast to victory

vote: gamma

going to sheep, also any player that taunts to be lynched deserves to be lynched

In post 3603, Maid Cafe wrote:The only town flip that I think clears one of my reads is Gamma flipping town ruins half the reasons I think Venmar is scum.

~B

only post i could find where you're hinting at a reason for scumreading me. still waiting

Venmar · Mon Mar 26, 2018 6:19 pm

there's also no world where scum shoot bronya or rr night one lol

otm was a very townie player whose death has already slowed down the game quite a bit, making his death a viable kill and cafe convincing themselves otherwise is self confirmation-bias.

kiana is sketch for that comment about lynching mastina btw.

Venmar · Mon Mar 26, 2018 6:20 pm

In post 3527, Dunnstral wrote:Just dropping in to say I'm unlynchable now - keep up the good work guys

also what?

this is bullshit, like, there is no way

Venmar · Mon Mar 26, 2018 6:36 pm

Venmar · Tue Mar 27, 2018 3:38 am

so, after confirming with varsoon, i will admit that i actually do have a pt. i took the AT THE MOMENT very literally in kiana's question, and i was under the impression that i didn't have access to it anymore since i didnt check it since day start, but it turns out i do.

i have a solo pt with baku, who neighbored me around the time the lynch occured.

Venmar · Tue Mar 27, 2018 3:39 am

In post 3668, Venmar wrote:i was under the impression that i didn't have access to it anymore

and to clarify this was because i thought all mtg related stuff got locked or deleted.

Venmar · Tue Mar 27, 2018 3:42 am

people that are scumreading me for townreading their scumreads are hella dumb. get over the fact that YOUR reads might be wrong lol. i haven't played as scum since like 2015 and if anything i tend to bus teammates into the ground

pedit: mhmm fuck you

Venmar · Tue Mar 27, 2018 3:46 am

yeah, cool, so i had a misunderstanding with my access to a pt i briefly had and purple heart decides to run away with it and materialize a case on me out of thin air, filling in holes that never existed otherwise.

i sure hate mafia sometimes

i'll also have people know that me getting neighbored to baku was what got me onto cafe's side in the first place since i can extra confirm their story about baku neighboring people prior to deadline.

Venmar · Tue Mar 27, 2018 4:19 am

legit question, why do i lie about this as scum? why? how is this anything but human fucking error?

for fucks sake

Venmar · Tue Mar 27, 2018 4:42 am

In post 3676, Bronya Zaychik wrote:
In post 3675, Venmar wrote:legit question, why do i lie about this as scum? why? how is this anything but human fucking error?

for fucks sake

Because if we succeeded, you'd have to confirm us as town. You'd also have a PT with us.

~Titus

i dont even know what youre talking about, how was i supposed to know this

Venmar · Tue Mar 27, 2018 4:43 am

In post 3677, Chara wrote:Venmar: if you haven't already, please solve it asap. thanks. <3

i got 100%, had to resubmit to varsoon cause idk how to prove it

Venmar · Tue Mar 27, 2018 12:34 pm

In post 3698, Reasonably Rational wrote:And I suppose I just don't expect much from Venmar with regards to mechanics, perhaps because of the tone of his posts, I just don't expect him to be super mechanically oriented, and therefore likely to make mistakes(as he just did), so I would have wanted to be extra sure before risking wasting the ability. *Shrug*

u suck too

Venmar · Wed Mar 28, 2018 4:42 am

im not reading any of that ph

Venmar · Wed Mar 28, 2018 4:43 am

In post 3781, Reasonably Rational wrote:
In post 3773, Venmar wrote:
In post 3698, Reasonably Rational wrote:And I suppose I just don't expect much from Venmar with regards to mechanics, perhaps because of the tone of his posts, I just don't expect him to be super mechanically oriented, and therefore likely to make mistakes(as he just did), so I would have wanted to be extra sure before risking wasting the ability. *Shrug*
u suck too
I dont think you suck, I just don't think you approach the game the same way I do.

-Cerb

nice save

Venmar · Wed Mar 28, 2018 4:55 am

it's a good hustle, but really, this is my reaction, and the reaction of most players, regardless of alignment, in response to posts like that:

Venmar · Wed Mar 28, 2018 5:01 am

my only response to the criticism of me by taly/purple heart is to parrot that fact that shading/discrediting people casually when i drop in is just something i do as a player. anyone who's played with me can confirm that i do it as town if anything, it's my way of making observations about the gamestate

and to be fair to cerb, game solving by mechanics is not my strong suit as a player, admittedly. im a go by the flow type of player

Venmar · Fri Mar 30, 2018 3:46 am

In post 3850, Maid Cafe wrote:3 people claim they can't die/be lynched?
Yeah no
~Maki

whos the 3rd

Venmar · Fri Mar 30, 2018 1:05 pm

guys, i will not lie

i have been playing a lot of puzzle pirates. nostalgia is commanding my life atm im sorry

Venmar · Fri Mar 30, 2018 1:07 pm

also, lynch me if you guys dare

im sitting perplexed tbh. i dont have the energy nor the fucks to read taly's walls. i can respond to direct and concise questions but other than that it is what it is

Venmar · Fri Mar 30, 2018 1:13 pm

im actually also still townreading gamma, for the record.

i know that doesn't make sense because im voting them, but this is entirely and purely a case of gamma, in my eyes, being town by play, but a lynch by mechanic. gamma's unlynchable claim is basically something i will always want to hard check in any game. i think gamma is bluffing/lying at best, lying at worst. he either gets lynched and flips scum for lying, or is actually unlynchable, in which case he isn't lying and we get a free night for all of us to be productive and use investigatives and hoods to catch scum. it's the play for today.

Venmar · Mon Apr 02, 2018 5:41 pm

shameless prod response

ill pay more attention to this game probably tomorrow when i have more time

Venmar · Fri Apr 06, 2018 1:01 pm

hi im prod dodging again

i've just been absent from the site cause ive just been working a lot, though honestly ive just been doing other things more and the site has been on my backburner

i'll get around to catching up soon.