Titus v Nancy Drew (Game Over)

[Starcrossed]

VOTE: Starcrossed

Let's get out of RVS.

LOL I GOT CONFTOWNED AGAIN WHAT IS THIS GAME

[Starcrossed]

hello Ircher hi samantha hi Krazy hii Kanna hi Pooky hi Gamma hi mastina hi Auro hi Lunar hi Dunny hi clidd hi Toog hi BM hi Saudade !

~Bat

HI TWEETIE <3

[Starcrossed]

kanna is hereee

hii morning!! i love getting special treatment!

ngl large postcounts demotivate me a bit, but i'll try to do a liiittle better than last time!

Why don't I get a hi?

that wasn't me, but HI NORAA

i shall be signing all my posts as mitsuha!

~mitsuha

[Starcrossed]

i changed our pfp without telling pooky; is this better or worse?

hi nancy, townlock us pls

~mitsuha

[Starcrossed]

early pings are battle mage seems towny, even though i think i'm biased to townread his non-filtery style. ircher's first posts do feel a lil stilted + agree 82 says something and nothing in a scummy way. his following posts... i suppose his tone is throwing me off a bit, it's strange!

i haven't read everything, but ya sure VOTE: war and peace

~mitsuha

[Starcrossed]

i changed our pfp without telling pooky; is this better or worse?

hi nancy, townlock us pls

~mitsuha

it's beautiful darling

[Starcrossed]

148 i like not in an alignment related way, but a "oh noraa" sort of way

bm/batsu/fey town!
batsu vs fey was strongly town-indicative for the both of them i feel
i also want soulread clidd as town!!

war and peace is still a fine votepark. this smells like tmi

Batsunami is likely town based on their enthusiasm here. They don't particularly like scum, and it feels pretty genuine enthusiasm. Aside from that, not really.

if war and peace flips scum at any point, i'd be happy to townlock pyro! i don't think this bus comes from a scumbuddy ever. but until then, i will keep my fire extinguisher nearby just in case...

~mitsuha

[Starcrossed]

Hello i have finished my homework good enough

i've seen ircher get run up D1 in Pooky v FL as well as Grand idea GPick and i believe hectic mentioned Ircher gets early pressure a lot once. Don't know what the context of this convo is but can confirm i think Ircher usually catches flak early on

~Bat

can i ask what gets ircher pressured early on? or if you have more context for that?

~mitsuha

[Starcrossed]

Ircher gets run up as town because he's antagonistic and snarky, and has controversial opinions. Here, in the brief posts he made he was being diplomatic and political. The toneshift is huge, like a gaping abyss waiting to plunge the world into darkness.

oh ok, nevermind. if this is the case, i am still happy with this scumread!

~mitsuha

[Starcrossed]

sjbiesojbporb taki... taki will come to the rescue tomorrow and present a fantastic solve...

o7

~mitsuha

p-edit: @saudade: YES

[Starcrossed]

Day 1 soulsolve is Starcrossed, War and Peace, 5uffering, Gamma Emerald. This is for post game bragging rights and nothing more - do not question me on these, as you will only be met with molten lava.

don't be ridiculous

[Starcrossed]

see hectic

told you I wasn't scum :3

[Starcrossed]

Coasting players are:
Gamma Emerald, Toogeloo, Battle Mage, War and Peace, Starcrossed

I would very much lim anyone who is coasting.
My preference: Battle Mage > Starcrossed > Toogeloo > War and Peace.

Where'd Gamma go?

[Starcrossed]

if war and peace flips scum at any point, i'd be happy to townlock pyro! i don't think this bus comes from a scumbuddy ever. but until then, i will keep my fire extinguisher nearby just in case...

What's your read on me independent of War and Peace's alignment?



You give off toxic-player vibes, so I'd prefer to avoid a 1v1 with you.

i think you're townish... but i want you to empty your pockets so i know there's no chance of you hiding matches in there. i hope you understand!

don't worry, that's just my greenness you're sensing...

~mitsuha

[Starcrossed]

What from clidd's first 5ish posts gave you a townread?

clidd feels confident and not overexplainy this game. his later posts feel good as well. really good actually

he is just like, super town to me right now!

~mitsuha

[Starcrossed]

i signed up for pooky to carry me but his back hurts apparently...

~mitsuha

[Starcrossed]

I like hectic's reads except for his read on me

he should know I am town

he is so silly

Hectic who should we sheeps you on :3

[Starcrossed]

mitsuha's posting seemed fine, but this one take did bother me:

if war and peace flips scum at any point, i'd be happy to townlock pyro! i don't think this bus comes from a scumbuddy ever. but until then, i will keep my fire extinguisher nearby just in case...

I don't think what I've done is anywhere near a hard bus, or anything worth ruling out S/S for. Feels too confident for what it is.

Also, I still want to hear what your read on me is independent of whatever War and Peace's alignment is.

you say this, but i just can't see you doing this to a scumpartner. i don't think it's your style. also, you should know i'm confident when i'm town! it's passion

~mitsuha

[Starcrossed]

i signed up for pooky to carry me but his back hurts apparently...

~mitsuha

Sorry dear :3

I might have gotten distracted by your beautiful eyes :>

[Starcrossed]

I would argue I'm snarkier when I am scum. See for instance the Dark Fairy Booneytoonz game.

i just looked through this game and think you ring quite similar actually. what, in your opinion, is the difference between this game and that game?

and is it bad i didn't like that wall? feels like they felt scrutiny and decided to take a more blunt approach to get townread. but i still don't know if they're saying anything meaningful/their reads etc

~mitsuha

p-edit: @_@ my eyes?

[Starcrossed]

CLIDD HARDTOWN

i will now go and make money

~mitsuha

[Starcrossed]

hectic pick someone else on your soul list!

[Starcrossed]

Tell me the truth @Pooky. Are you a good or a bad bear in this game?

I am super good

you can tell cuz I am letting Pyro pick

also Kanna is like sooooo townie

she is the best <3

[Starcrossed]

Starcrossed, I feel like the other head of your hydra is a lot townier than you which I don’t know what to make. Shouldn’t you also be taking some initiative? It doesn’t look the best to say “I’m good because I’m passing along my responsibility...” Knowing what you’re doing and thinking in more detail and owning up to it would be the best thing you could do I think.

well I have the same alignment as Kanna so it doesn't really matter which one of us is very very townie :3

[Starcrossed]

Death, Taxes, and Nukes

Pooky, Pooky, Pooky... I would be voting for War and Peace if I weren't voting for you. I'm still not satisfied with you though; was there any reason you were late to this game while you posted in others?

cuz I'm an egoposter and have bad short term memory :3

also this thread got to like 30 pages on d2 and that's kinda intimidating :>

[Starcrossed]

the worst that could happen is BM flips town and then you flip town and then we are 2 mis-elims down

I rather like Pyro's readslist and think we have a good chance of flipping a baddie if we elim in it :>

[Starcrossed]

@Pooky why do you agree with Pyro’s reads?

because when me and kanna were talking about the game earlier my preliminary SRs were basically the same as Pyro's except I had Dunnstral instead of myself.

I kinda always SR dunnstral tho :>

[Starcrossed]

I don't TR BM yet, I think he's someone who gets easier to read as the game goes on.

[Starcrossed]

Oh, Pooky is part of Starcrossed

i signed up for pooky to carry me but his back hurts apparently...

~mitsuha

i signed up for pooky to carry me but his back hurts apparently...

~mitsuha

Sorry dear :3

I might have gotten distracted by your beautiful eyes :>

I don't really like this exchange

VOTE: Starcrossed

eh what?!

~mitsu

[Starcrossed]

I have no opinion on Starcrossed when I believe that they should have made more of an impact on me so far.. they should be easier to identify as town, so the pressure on them is good!

i generally don't like this as a reason for a scumread. it's very if you aren't [this amount of town], you aren't town, when there's many other factors. which one of our heads are you expecting this from?

~mitsuha

p-edit: i'm still reading

[Starcrossed]

Pyro is towny, Star is off.

But I like this after a reread:

VOTE: Saudade

I can consider Star depending on their next posts.

what's off about us, clidd?

~mitsu

p-edit: ...not much. i'm going to try and read the pages from when i last posted to now though!
p-edit: STOP

[Starcrossed]

So you meant this as me-specifically read? You said "i don't think this bus comes from a scumbuddy ever."

my thought process there was thinking a hard bus like this is not something a scumbuddy does > you saying it's not a hard bus > me realising, yes, because technically they are not getting pushed through > me thinking no, i still don't think pyro does this

if you want the super specifics

~mitsu

[Starcrossed]

@Kanna:

Did you read the stuff on Battle Mage? What's your opinion on everything?

whoops sorry, i got sidetracked

i iso'd bm and i do think he feels more docile tonally. this last few posts make me feel a bit bad cause regardless of alignment he looks like he's not having fun... but from recent experience, i think giving up is +scum so

i bit off more than i could chew with saying i'd read all of these pages unfortunately

i had a brainwave of who fey could be! if i'm right, she is really towny!

~mitsuha

[Starcrossed]

I'm still iffy on Starcrossed and I want a chance to talk to Kanna in-real-time. @Pooky: Let her know btw

so you do want to toxic 1v1, huh

but ok! name your time and place

~mitsuha

p-edit: i'm not acknowledging any of these posts

[Starcrossed]

vote BM then.

is he on e-2? i will do it if nancy approves

~mitsuha

[Starcrossed]

Okay, okay, let's get toxic: Your Name was good but has nothing on A Silent Voice.

What do you think of War and Peace so far? Also, lend me your thoughts on the Krazy Sherlock hydra

how toxic is it i haven't watched a silent voice?

wp hasn't done anything that would change my read of them from earlier on. not sure why everyone changed there/started saying they were towny
i must've skimmed over the sherlock hydra posts because i don't remember anything. will do so after an iso read

~mitsuha

[Starcrossed]

Okay, okay, let's get toxic: Your Name was good but has nothing on A Silent Voice.

you're dead to me

[Starcrossed]

Okay, okay, let's get toxic: Your Name was good but has nothing on A Silent Voice.

What do you think of War and Peace so far? Also, lend me your thoughts on the Krazy Sherlock hydra

how toxic is it i haven't watched a silent voice?

wp hasn't done anything that would change my read of them from earlier on. not sure why everyone changed there/started saying they were towny
i must've skimmed over the sherlock hydra posts because i don't remember anything. will do so after an iso read

~mitsuha

from a skim, i think they are fun-telling (towny)! i can't comment on the contents

~mitsuha

[Starcrossed]

So vig targets on Saudade, W & P, Clidd.

nancy, if i may make a suggestion, please don't ask clidd to be vigged, he's really towny

~mitsuha

[Starcrossed]

e-3 actually cuz Titus' vote doesn't count

ok then VOTE: battle mage

~mitsuba

[Starcrossed]

I'm noting 1981 which was just made. The way they are responding to me is weird... it's like I'm not really in this game

what does that (1981) tell you?

and sorry, did you address anything to us? we both haven't been reading the thread super closely. i'm not sure we responded to you, even

~mitsuha

[Starcrossed]

Okay, okay, let's get toxic: Your Name was good but has nothing on A Silent Voice.

you're dead to me

this wasn't me btw, pyro!!

i'm happy to be here too. i don't like hammering

~mitsuha

[Starcrossed]

I'm noting 1981 which was just made. The way they are responding to me is weird... it's like I'm not really in this game

what does that (1981) tell you?

and sorry, did you address anything to us? we both haven't been reading the thread super closely. i'm not sure we responded to you, even

~mitsuha

I don't know what 1981 tells me - I agree with it, I'm just noting it

This is what you guys had to say earlier:

@Pooky why do you agree with Pyro’s reads?

because when me and kanna were talking about the game earlier my preliminary SRs were basically the same as Pyro's except I had Dunnstral instead of myself.

I kinda always SR dunnstral tho :>

Apparently you guys at least talked this over and came to a SR on me - why?

Oh, Pooky is part of Starcrossed

i signed up for pooky to carry me but his back hurts apparently...

~mitsuha

i signed up for pooky to carry me but his back hurts apparently...

~mitsuha

Sorry dear :3

I might have gotten distracted by your beautiful eyes :>

I don't really like this exchange

VOTE: Starcrossed

eh what?!

~mitsu

Why did you make this post?

it wasn't so much as an in depth discussion rather than pooky saying you were a bit scummy. what's weird about that to you?
and i made that post because i found it funny it was an exchange between me and pooky

~mitsuha

[Starcrossed]

ok.

now i feel bad cause battle mage was just not enjoying the game

~mitsuha

[Starcrossed]

ok.

now i feel bad cause battle mage was just not enjoying the game

~mitsuha

He is in a better place now dear !

[Starcrossed]

Are we though? I thought he was town, maybe I should not ignore my gut. :/

well obviously WE are not in a better place.

but I am glad BM does not have to suffer any more

[Starcrossed]

Saudade would you joust clidd here? I want to see your brilliance. I'm giving you my vote this whole D2 and I will not change it. You get it again the following day if your wagon flips scum.

Saudade & Clidd are town

5uffering is scum

easy game

flavor leaf the most transparent scum player ever

[Starcrossed]

VOTE: 5uffering

[Starcrossed]

Is this Pooky?

yup

[Starcrossed]

dont replace out this time flavor leaf

want the joy of watching you flip red

[Starcrossed]

dont blame yourself nancy

if we didnt make mistakes we wouldn't be human :3

[Starcrossed]

lol what

[Starcrossed]

Pooky you were scum that game don’t even

im talking about the game I pushed him and he replaced out as scum dude

[Starcrossed]

Which one was that
I was thinking of TENET

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=85481

i push FL, he replaces out in rage, gets elimmed anyway

in tenet he doesnt replace out, he just rolls over and dies

[Starcrossed]

ok even if you're not flavor leaf I still think you're scum so whatever :3

it would just be nicer if you are flavor leaf tho :>

[Starcrossed]

Why, Pooky? He's just a friendly anime guy who's holding back a lot of hidden power.

(I do want reasoning if you have any)

I think he's more interested in performance than catching bad guys.

Wanting Clidd/Saudade to joust is pretty cringe.

[Starcrossed]

trust kanna :3

honestly i have very little pressure to actually do any town performative things because Kanna is so lovely <3

[Starcrossed]

Kanna once took 20 minutes to walk down a set of stairs. Roast her on this please.

I'd wait a day for her to walk down a flight of stairs.

[Starcrossed]

Last night I was thinking about BM's death, and his wagon.

Here is everyone's response interpreted around the time of death.

Batsunami: Was assured it was flipping scum based on

DK Tell

.
Pyro: Ruminating on the effect of limning BM, while digging into his meta.
Fey: Enthusiastically agreeing with the situation.
Sherlock: Goading the situation further by pressuring others to lim the slot based on replacement.
Italiano: Showing up and hammering.
Clidd: Loosely hinting how he felt about BM but letting the wagon go through anyways, actively passive.
Dunnstral: Posted a readslist, which had Battle Mage at the very bottom. Recited L-3.
Starcrossed: Had no reason to be on the wagon or be involved with BM's death.
Red Eye Knights: Saw a shiny wagon and voted for it. Caught up in the moment.
Morty and Rick: Happened to get involved by never changing his vote, says it wasn't his fault.

performative

[Starcrossed]

There's a lot of things wrong with that scene really. Scum had to be involved with BM's death but I don't think they wanted to be responsible. That is why I have my vote on Starcrossed, based on previous behavior and now how they handled that wagon. I would also be fine with voting off Sherlock too, who created a badfaith argument to push a lim through by borrowing the momentum of others clearly thinking way harder in their stead.

like why even bother going thru the effort of doing this if your plan was just to vote me

you would've looked a lot less fake without pretending to consider everyone else lol

I will teach you how to power-drive mis-elims as scum someday shoot me a pm on discord after the game is over.

[Starcrossed]

You just don't like being called out, specifically.

like even noraa is better at driving mis-elims than you lol

[Starcrossed]

the very premise for your scum-read is dumb as fuck

why would I even bother jumping on a wagon that is almost assuredly going thru when noraa is doing her best to bang the drums and get everyone on it when I have knowledge that BM is flipping green?

scum are more likely to let noraa hard-drive this mis-elim than be jumping on for no reason.

You aren't even bothering to pretend to think it through from a scum POV,

you are just trying to do "this happened so this person must be scum" which is silly and nonsensical.

[Starcrossed]

Red Eye Knights: Saw a shiny wagon and voted for it. Caught up in the moment.
Morty and Rick: Happened to get involved by never changing his vote, says it wasn't his fault.

like look at these "reads"

are you a psychic or something lol?

[Starcrossed]

why would you want to miselim me? because you're scum duh

[Starcrossed]

and you being scum has nothing to do with you being flavor leaf

if you were flavor leaf it'd be a bonus

but i'd be perfectly happy flipping you red even if you weren't flavor leaf

[Starcrossed]

Ask that yourself? No, really. You can't vote someone and then say it wasn't your fault.

I didn't say it wasn't my fault.

I said you trying to say that I'm scum because I voted for BM is nonsense lol

[Starcrossed]

Last night I was thinking about BM's death, and his wagon.

Here is everyone's response interpreted around the time of death.

Batsunami: Was assured it was flipping scum based on

DK Tell

.
Pyro: Ruminating on the effect of limning BM, while digging into his meta.
Fey: Enthusiastically agreeing with the situation.
Sherlock: Goading the situation further by pressuring others to lim the slot based on replacement.
Italiano: Showing up and hammering.
Clidd: Loosely hinting how he felt about BM but letting the wagon go through anyways, actively passive.
Dunnstral: Posted a readslist, which had Battle Mage at the very bottom. Recited L-3.
Starcrossed: Had no reason to be on the wagon or be involved with BM's death.
Red Eye Knights: Saw a shiny wagon and voted for it. Caught up in the moment.
Morty and Rick: Happened to get involved by never changing his vote, says it wasn't his fault.

this "readlist" if I can even call it that is a joke

its fake and performative - some of these lines are just nonsense you typed up to fill up space and you hope people won't actually take the time to read it.

you wanted to vote me before you ever made this list.

you made this list, then you voted me in a separate post because you want the illusion you actually put thought into this to fake a town perspective.

you are scum.

[Starcrossed]

I voted you long before that. I just think you're trying too hard to not care. Kanna comes in to move the goalposts and then you do a little dance for everyone.

that's my point

you were voting me before the list

you have always been voting me

your list is fake garbage lol

[Starcrossed]

you wanted to vote me before you ever made this list.

I did curate my thoughts to show subtly how I felt about the players involved. Do I need to explain it for you? IYou stick out like a sore thumb and there are a few other people who do too.

you decided to fake some nonsense list in order to reach the conclusion that the person you have been voting all along is the most suspicious voter out of all the BM voters.

you are fake af

[Starcrossed]

and then you voted me 2 posts later

despite the fact that you were already voting me in the first place

to give the illusion that you had decided on this vote after carefully considering all the voters

its just comical how fake you are

[Starcrossed]

There's more than you...

I don't really like clidd/Sherlock either there. What are your thoughts on them?

I disagree with your entire premise that scum must be involved in the BM wagon.

I'm not going on a wild goose chase and narrowing POE for no reason into a small subset.

When scum see a very loud townie on the wrong track and banging for a mis-elim, they don't have to help that townie, goad that townie, or get on the wagon. Your entire mindset for figuring this out is wrong.

Your very premise that there MUST be lots of scum involved is flawed.

[Starcrossed]

So you’re thinking that BM was maybe an all town wagon?

I'm not saying that there are 0 scum on the wagon.

I'm saying scum are more likely to not be on the wagon because they know BM is flipping red and they know noraa is hard driving the mis-elim through.

5uffering's premise for hunting on wagon is wrong to begin with.

[Starcrossed]

[Starcrossed]

v rude

[Starcrossed]

p sure this is a ydrasse/hectic hydra

[Starcrossed]

Nancy Drew vs. Titus Reads:

Now is a good time to give some reads, so here they are:

Confirmed Town

(From my perspective) (98%-100% Confidence)
War and Peace (100%): Role PM

Likely Town

(85%-97% Confidence)

Leaning Town

(60%-84% Confidence)

Batsunami (+82%) - Like I previously explained, I think the level of excitement and energy from this slot is most likely town; It's neither over the top nor too subdued. There are other factors besides just that to the read as well. The way she posed her Dunnstral read for instance strikes me as likely a town level of conviction (even if I don't necessarily agree with it).

Charlie and Snoopy (+65%) - They've had several reasonable and good takes. I think they are thinking critically about what posts means rather than looking at the surface details.

Neutral Town

(31%-59% Confidence; Mixed Read or Diffident Read)

Dunnstral (+35%) - He has had several good takes and has maintained an active thread presence. I'm actually a bit bothered by the thread presence; I don't recall him typically being this active.

Null

(0%-30% Confidence; No/Very Weak Read)

Pyro (-10%) - Most of his posts are fine, but there are a few that lightly ping me, mainly on a gut level. Their characterization of my play (and use of it to further the wagon on our slot) as town is also rather inaccurate and that pings me a bit as well.

ItalianoVD (-15%) - 611 really bothers me; I don't get why he is so paranoid of being wagoned.

Neutral Scum

(31%-59% Confidence; Mixed Read or Diffident Read)

Sherlock and Watson (-35%) - I think the fluffing is really over the top, and they don't seem to be really scumhunting.

Rogue Squadron (-38%) - Too much fluff and filler from this slot. I remember Lunar being quite a bit quieter.

Fey (-40%) - Her posting is just feels really off in some way.

Leaning Scum

(60%-75% Confidence)

​​

Likely Scum

(76%-100% Confidence)

Spoiler: How to read this reads list

Players are placed in different sections based on my confidence in the read expressed as a percentage. A positive percentage indicates that I leans towards town on a player whereas a negative percentage indicates I lean towards scum on a player. Please note that the Null section contains both townreads and scumreads, and you must look a the sign of the percentage in parenthesis to determine which way I lean.

Confidence ratings are rough estimates (and somewhat arbitrary) and are relative to one another. In addition, they tend to be scored on a quadratic scale versus a linear scale; in other words, the difference between 0% and 30% tends to be less than the difference between 30% and 60%.

Disclaimer: These are my reads independent of my hydra partners.

If you aren't listed, you haven't done enough for me to develop a read on you/you've done nothing memorable in the first 25 pages.
~War

OH MY GOD

~mitsuha

[Starcrossed]

WAR FLASHBACKS

ircher.........

~mitsuha

[Starcrossed]

ircher, can i see a towngame of yours?

~mitsuha

[Starcrossed]

pyro's replace out was heartbreaking...

~mitsuha

[Starcrossed]

Ircher do you post similar colored reads walls as town as well? And can you think of an example?

lol what type of question is this Dunn

didn't you play in Pooky v FL where Ircher also did colored readslists?

[Starcrossed]

I remember several :3

[Starcrossed]

for example here:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12438496

you should remember this too

you were alive back then Dunnstral :3

[Starcrossed]

in fact you are in that readslist

so you pretending to um not know is kind of scummy :3

also his read on you this game is a lot flatter than his read on you that game.

Dunn/Ircher scum/scum here is my guess :3

[Starcrossed]

he is also on my list

and thats what you said to me in royalty :3

[Starcrossed]

I think you’re wrong on Dunn. He is very different here than in Royalty. He was pinging my scumdar off the freaking charts from pretty much the first post.

you're the boss! :3

[Starcrossed]

we appreciate you noraa.

and pink ball wouldn't make fun of you

he wubs you

[Starcrossed]

um noraa i really don't think he did

can we not do the toxic fight thing

let's keep the thread wholesome

[Starcrossed]

I think Saudade is probably just frustrated town.

I'll spend some time on re-reading

I still like 5uffering for scum but if Nancy says no I will look elsewhere.

[Starcrossed]

does this mean we are never elimming 5uffering?

I'll look for other baddies if this is your decision on this.

[Starcrossed]

my thread presence would be so much higher if I was scum just FYI.

[Starcrossed]

this is some very impressive scum theater

[Starcrossed]

are you telling him in the scum PT to put some emotion into the theater so it looks toxic and not S/S?

cuz if you flip scum here, gamma should also be scum cuz I can't see town gamma reacting this calmly to you lol.

[Starcrossed]

That's of his own choice. He can't help being so scummy.

Also. I'd tell you that you'll eat your words when I flip green but unfortunately this just isn't the game where you care about that.

um I'm green too so if we're wrong we're both wrong ^^

[Starcrossed]

VOTE: no-one

[Starcrossed]

I'd pocket Nancy but then that might get people to suspect so I'm choosing to not pocket Nancy in order to show how good and pure I am ^_^

[Starcrossed]

Fey pooky has no shame pocketing people when town
as scum he does sometimes depending on the person
Pooky but you did to FL last game and no one cared

woah what is this thing about shame

[Starcrossed]

I'd pocket Nancy but then that might get people to suspect so I'm choosing to not pocket Nancy in order to show how good and pure I am ^_^

Who do you think is scum here?

5uffering
Gamma
Dunnstral
W+P

[Starcrossed]

the risk you run when you let a day go too long is that the town becomes apathetic and disconnected and forget about things that happened that matter because they happened relatively earlier.

if your mind is made up Nancy, it's time to shoot the shot.

It's ok to miss - not the worst thing in the world.

[Starcrossed]

my next tier of SRs beyond that are:

IVD REK SaraHaras

[Starcrossed]

BM replaced out because he was getting tunnelled out of the game by noraa.

Saying you are not feeling welcome at the table because this is a curated player list that you don't fit into is kind of silly when you are playing on a secret alt and none of us know who the heck you are.

[Starcrossed]

dude

nancy says she is meta-reading your reaction as a scum reaction

nancy is the town stump

nancy knows who you are.

I do not know who you are.

so like how the heck am I even supposed to argue with Nancy or confirm/disconfirm her belief that you are meta-telling as scum if I don't know who the hell you are? lol

[Starcrossed]

I was more tilted that the reasoning for me to be scum was so barren in first place.

so caught for the wrong reasons scum? :3

[Starcrossed]

i gotchu

one thing I remember from being town stump is to just relax a bit

not the end of the world if we miss :3

[Starcrossed]

These seem like very safe scum reads :\.

do you have any spicy scum-reads you want to discuss? :3

[Starcrossed]

olaf olaf...... i wondering... something. i wonder if you can guess it within 20 questions...

if you've followed fl vs hectic, you'll know i don't commit to these large games and no follow up isn't a reason to scumread me. i'm just here to have a good time!

i've skimmed war and peace and don't feel that strongly about that scumread anymore, or at least them efforting and keeping calm despite the scumreads on them is towny. they should also be kept alive for their claim -- investigating clidd is a good idea!

5uffering, gamma, italiano... i don't think i hard scumread any of these 3, but out of them, i guess i'd prefer 5uffering. he's squirming a bit, i think. plus i know pooky doesn't like him and pooky also said he didn't like the way he pushed us. gamma and italiano are surface level scummy, but i question if that's real scumminess

if i could have anyone though, my top scumreads are
Morty and Rick (mastina + Auro) -- i think auro's been doing all the posting in this game, and this is pingy because i'm reminded of another game where auro was scum and hardcarried his partner to victory. auro's good at scum (making him a good pick) and generally this slot has gone under the radar and should be looked at
Olaf -- pyro claimed we are a likely pick for scum and that's flattering, but i question that a bit. like, really? i don't think we have more of a chance than anyone else? also we have all been brushing over the fact i think pyro is the real top pick for scum!

~mitsuha

[Starcrossed]

Fey, Batsu, clidd are my townlocks

Sarahara -- townlean

Toogeloo, Sherlock and Watson (Krazy + PenguinPower), War and Peace (Ircher + samantha97), Dunnstral -- lighter townleans

Gamma Emerald, Red Eye Knights (Aristophanes + Akarin), ItalianoVD, 5uffering, Pink Ball -- null

Olaf, Morty and Rick (mastina + Auro) -- scumreads

is maybe where i'm at right now

~mitsuha

p-edit: sure, mr 3rd party apprentice

[Starcrossed]

he replaced into the slot

and you're talking to kanna not pooky

[Starcrossed]

pooky thought 5uffering was FL, but i never thought that!

~mitsuha

[Starcrossed]

POOKY!

~mitsuha

[Starcrossed]

KANNNNAAAA!

[Starcrossed]

Can someone unvote please?

UNVOTE: 5uffering

okie dokie

[Starcrossed]

I can do better.

fuck yea

Papa Ball got this

Let's let him do some magic :3

[Starcrossed]

Starcrossed has got to be scum here if you compare pooky's play here to previous games

nah

[Starcrossed]

cuz i dunno who anybody is

[Starcrossed]

you know who Nancy and Titus are
last game you loved interacting with the stumps

Hectic has a special place in my heart that Titus can never occupy :/

[Starcrossed]

Papa Ball.

It's time.

[Starcrossed]

Will be around tomorrow, will sheep Nancy's vote

-Morty

[Starcrossed]

VOTE: italiano

[Starcrossed]

we got a message during the night but don't trust it :c

~mitsuha

[Starcrossed]

awesome shot, vig! clidd i feel is spewed town from it, but i thought he was super town anyway,

did anyone else get a message during the night?

~mitsuha

p-edit: pooky is going to be so disappointed

[Starcrossed]

didn't think morty and rick would eat the nk...

~mitsuha

[Starcrossed]

Olaf -- pyro claimed we are a likely pick for scum and that's flattering, but i question that a bit. like, really? i don't think we have more of a chance than anyone else? also we have all been brushing over the fact i think pyro is the real top pick for scum!

you were townreading this slot before
what changed your mind?
is there any reason to scumread me other than thinking my predecessor is likely to be picked?
you've crossed your stars here

-- investigating clidd is a good idea!

why?
you have clidd as a townlock
isn't that a waste from your perspective?

how much have you read btw Kanna
good point about mastina though
her inactivity isn't actually site-wide

Morty!
why does Rick abandon us

pooky please make kanna aware of these questions

for the mother of the christmas spirit
i beg of you mitsuha

your wish is granted!

you seemed towny, but that doesn’t mean much to me. the fact that i’m struggling to find scum elsewhere increases you being scum because picks

no one would believe me earlier, so no, it would not be a waste. especially when i wasn’t the one investigating him

im pretty sure you’ve asked me that twice now. why? I think it’s pretty clear — not much.

~mistuha

[Starcrossed]

VOTE: morning

@morning: if I asked you “why would you ask me to do that?”, can you answer?

~mistuha

[Starcrossed]

i’ll out it after morning responds, nancy

~mistuha

[Starcrossed]

@Tweetie

I'm quite sad honestly

I've read your message and talked about it with Kanna for hours last night and there's just no way it comes from you.

sorry it just doesn't

Can you explain what your motivation was for sending this message to us?

Like I don't even understand why you would even send this message, much less put that much work into writing out something this long when you feel very detached and not very into this game at all.

Frankly this feels like something Titus wrote to rolefish us rather than something Town!Tweet wrote.

And that makes me sad

That combined with your vote and push on me without even talking about the message you sent us makes me feel very concerned.

I think you are probably scum hee

[Starcrossed]

I don't think thats something you do as town tweetie

[Starcrossed]

I thought we were friends Tweetie

this message just feels so dry and unfriendly

its completely unlike you

I thought it felt almost emotionless

even the last line which is a joke of sorts feels like something you threw in at the end after you told titus, hey i think this message needs some humor because its super dry >_>

also there's nothing about why you want me to crumb my role to you.

for the record, there's like 50 different pairings of "keyword or letter" to role/modifier and I'm supposed to use this "key" to crumb my role to tweetie but there's no mention of motivation or why she wants me to send this to her.

Can you give me an example of a game where you use such type of cryptography in a town setting? It really doesn't feel like something you came up with to me >_>

and honestly its like even less likely IMO that noraa came up with this

no offense noraa :3

[Starcrossed]

the message doesnt really read as fun

it feels very dry and i dont think tweetie wrote it :/

I could just being overly paranoid -_-

I have done this b4 with tweetie :/

[Starcrossed]

me rn:

[Starcrossed]

*flops ears*

sowwwie

[Starcrossed]

and kanna you think i'm town but disregard that and scumread me because i'm more likely to be picked and you don't have scumreads elsewhere?
what? i don't think that's a genuine thought process at all

when i say "towny", that doesn't mean i think you're town. at all. i think you are good at seeming town.

~mitsuha

[Starcrossed]

mitsuha! a rare opportunity to talk
do you know why Pooky hasn't been as interested in this game?

he thinks i'm doing a good job (lol)

~mitusha

[Starcrossed]

mitsuha! a rare opportunity to talk
do you know why Pooky hasn't been as interested in this game?

he thinks i'm doing a good job (lol)

~mitusha

but no, i've asked him to post once or twice, but don't want to pester him. i suppose he just isn't invested in this game

~mitsuha

[Starcrossed]

why do you scumread us, olaf? and why do you think it's scummy of pooky to not post? pooky likes me a lot and you'd assume he wouldn't leave me for dead to play scum, which i don't like

~mitsuha

[Starcrossed]

i need you to townspew for me if you're town

no, u first

~mitsuha

[Starcrossed]

I am obvtowning by letting Kanna drive the car

[Starcrossed]

Kanna is brilliant and can fly

[Starcrossed]

can you saaaaay ISO Toogeloo and see what kind of read you get? just talk about his content

ok, i'll get back to you on that one.

but honestly, even without reading it, i don't think he's scum cause he doesn't seem like a likely pick imo. i had the same gut feeling with italiano and that was right

sometimes the key to solving the game is closing your eyes

~mitsuha

[Starcrossed]

I have to think more about Tweetie.

I would've expected an angrier response tbh from Town!tweet since I mis-read her as scum like the last two times we were T/T >_<

[Starcrossed]

wait, seriously?
pooky seemed hyper engaged and memey in the last one at least for the first half

cuz I was more familiar with that player list

and also I was super mad you didn't pick me for your scum team

[Starcrossed]

I really wanted to run my win rate vs FL up to 6-0

[Starcrossed]

well I couldn't take your word for it >_>

sorry I have wronged my soul mason again <_<

[Starcrossed]

olaf what if I went full Noraa and said that I'm absolutely sure that Starcrossed is town and that I have a huge tell on them and that I have never failed reading them and that everyone should buy it no questions asked.

Not that I would do that 'cause that line of thought is atrocious.

But if I did, what would your next steps be?

hell yea

btw is this on me or Kanna :3

[Starcrossed]

angry might be the wrong word

how about "peeved" "annoyed" "exasperated" "disbelief pooky is this dumb"

[Starcrossed]

obv wouldn't lie about something like that
i kept telling you

you also said Ydra was first ban

[Starcrossed]

big true :3

[Starcrossed]

why do you scumread us, olaf? and why do you think it's scummy of pooky to not post? pooky likes me a lot and you'd assume he wouldn't leave me for dead to play scum, which i don't like

~mitsuha

Pooky's posted more than you have this game
that's an.... interesting angle to take though
you think he'd put more into the game to win it with you if you rolled scum?
why care less to win as town though?
like what's the difference

i thought... i posted more content? or maybe i just feel that way because i crossed my own super low bar from last game
but yeah, i'd like to believe so! i'm just questioning why that doesn't cross your mind

~mitsuha

[Starcrossed]

I am obvtowning by letting Kanna drive the car

make sure there's no stairs in there

i had leg paralysis, and that was one time, okay?>>

~mitsuha

[Starcrossed]

olaf what if I went full Noraa and said that I'm absolutely sure that Starcrossed is town and that I have a huge tell on them and that I have never failed reading them and that everyone should buy it no questions asked.

Not that I would do that 'cause that line of thought is atrocious.

But if I did, what would your next steps be?

hell yea

btw is this on me or Kanna :3

None of you 'cause I don't have enough games with any of you, but I think I have enough leverage to at least say that I'm good at reading Kanna... Don't you think?

unfortunately, i think you'd have to do this as either alignment, right, pink ball? %_%

~mitsuha

[Starcrossed]

that staircase had 20 steps
it was 20 times

you know what, i hope you're behind me next time i go down a staircase

~mitsuha

[Starcrossed]

i'm not actually sure morning is scum btw, i wanted to pressure so i think i got what i wanted.

the gist of it was the message was super formal and pooky and i were wondering if it was constructed with titus and co. also asking us to roleclaim like that made us feel queasy. like, "why should we trust you?" that kind of thing. no offence ofc

i am also sorry if we annoyed you, morning

~mitsuha

[Starcrossed]

unfortunately, i think you'd have to do this as either alignment, right, pink ball? %_%

~mitsuha

You mean calling you town in this game, or stating that I'm good at reading you?

i think you'd have to call me town in this game

~mitsuha

[Starcrossed]

Are either you or Starcrossed going to paraphrase this message for me or what?

first line is telling me the message is from Tweetie and saying that she will verify by using incorrect punctuation in her first post of the day

second line is asking me to signal back to her with the codeword bat

third line is telling me to crumb my role to her

she lists out like 25 words and their matching roles

and then 25 letters and their matching modifiers

she then tells me not to worry about it being spotted by anyone else and then apologizes for the msg if I had already role claimed previously

like it seems like a lot of effort to make this giant message without even bothering to read my ISO to see if I had already roleclaimed.

like that's kinda weird :/

[Starcrossed]

i dunno im not as suspicious as I was last night after tweetie explained everything :>

I guess I just never saw this side of tweetie before and I shouldn't judge a bat by how cute it looks

[Starcrossed]

I can put effort into the cryptography but not so much with the mafia, it was just something fun to do

ok but you see why I would be suspicious right?

I opened up this message, then opened up your iso from after noraa repped out.

and this message literally has like more words than your entire 6 post ISO.

so the dissonance between your interest in like this secret 007 message vs your actual interest in the game is really jarring.

[Starcrossed]

Hey no I didn't apologize though i was like "ur not allowed to call me stupid if i fucked up"

ok yea I misread that part :3

[Starcrossed]

and even that line was a bit weird

why spend what is obviously a very long time writing out a 50 part key for crumb passing but not spend the time to read my ISO to figure out if I had already claimed?

why even pick me of all people to send this message to?

the thought process just seems weird

[Starcrossed]

I don't think she has any investigative ability

she just means she can ask people to crumb their roles to her.

[Starcrossed]

Toogeloo wanting to get this over with feels kinda townie to me :<


~Pooky

[Starcrossed]

Here I simplified it for you all. Give 1 -3 trs and 1 -3 srs from Sherlock and Watson ISO please.

Sorry have been awol Nancy!!!

I will get on this right away tomm <3



~Pooks & Kanna

[Starcrossed]

agree with fey and kid that the readlist in 5519 is pretty bad!

maybe it's cause i can see myself posting something like this as scum, but it strongly reads like scum forcing themselves to make content. the comments are vague/fencesitty in a way that doesn't feel genuine, and the last part especially about dunn feels like she spent time trying to find a semi controversial opinion to sit on. but the level of excitement/tone feels wrong there as well

krazy was also defending this slot

i don't agree that it's mechanically terrible to lim WP; it should really come down to whether we think they are scum or not because as scum, they will be able to use their powers every night, and their results are useless anyway

i will do nancy's task later!

[Starcrossed]

i think toog is town from SW's ISO actually. look at this, this is ADORABLE, and more importantly, probably not partnery

alright out of respect for toog really though I'm gonna give this thread some time, no posts for me until work is done, see y'all in (expired on 2021-02-16 23:31:51)

**ONLY SHERLOCK HEAD, WATSON MAY POST IF HE DESIRES**

-S

toog is town and he values his contributions too lowly

toog <3

you gotta believe in yourself my man

Toogeloo

Spoiler:

When was the last time you saw Toogeloo at the top of a readslist? When I read Toog's post, I feel like he is not just speaking from his heart, he's speaking from mine.

Toog isn't just town. He is the visionary thought leader we need. He's constantly down on himself, he's always doubting his reads and engagement, but his reads and play in the last booney game were actually excellent, the one thing he lacked really was conviction and hope.

What's also nice is, I think I can put Toog at the top of this readlist, and that will not change whether Titus kills him or not.

Well I for one believe in Toog. Look at that heart in the image I selected for him. Look at that cute dress. So town.

Mostly being political and referring to your read of me, I actually don't mind your 5uffering read and I'm really intrigued by both you and Toog scumreading Gamma even though I'm not super optimistic that you're both right on him, that's like assuming he's getting coached which is not an assumption I will jump to quickly

Also don't know why you have Italiano above null and Toog should be top line town

-S

i don't really have a problem with his posting either @olaf. i like non-filtery posting style + his thought processes are kind of nuancy in a way that i don't think he'd think to fake as scum + pooky reads his frustration with the gamestate as genuine and i agree

I really have no interest in sitting here the whole day phase while Nancy drags this out for another 180 pages. If you're going to execute me, I'd rather it be sooner than later.

Any reads-list I give you is flawed from the fact that I haven't read moran 70% of the posts in the game. My gut and perspective say W&P and Tweet are scum.

I think Batsu got in your pocket early.

I think the gunsmith doesn't exist alongside the Vanilla Cop, and I think the Cop is townier.

So yeah, I'm not even looking at VTs as scum.

I don't think you have more than 1 mason (and I've been thinking you actually have 0 tbqh), and I think we have a lot of VT fillers as a result with all your 1 shot powers.

so cute!

~mistuha

[Starcrossed]

agree with fey and kid that the readlist in 5519 is pretty bad!

maybe it's cause i can see myself posting something like this as scum, but it strongly reads like scum forcing themselves to make content. the comments are vague/fencesitty in a way that doesn't feel genuine, and the last part especially about dunn feels like she spent time trying to find a semi controversial opinion to sit on. but the level of excitement/tone feels wrong there as well

krazy was also defending this slot

i don't agree that it's mechanically terrible to lim WP; it should really come down to whether we think they are scum or not because as scum, they will be able to use their powers every night, and their results are useless anyway

i will do nancy's task later!

was also

~mitsuha

[Starcrossed]

so both me and Kanna independently thought Tooges actually looks kind of townie from Krazy's ISO:



this is the most over the top example but there are so many posts effusively praising Toogey that we think it resembles Scum trying to buddy up/pocket a townie rather than a scum/scum relationship/moonlogic.

Also I am very swayed by Tooges fatalistic disregard for his own health, willing to die and "get it over with"

it is very similar to what I saw in Pooky vs FL when he was willing to jump on top of a super saint and blow himself up and Death Curse when he willingly took the first scroll.

I know a lot of people scumread Fatalism, but in the case of Toogey I believe it is geniune townie frustration seeping out.

[Starcrossed]

E

i agree

~mitsuha

[Starcrossed]

It's not like she's scumposting, of course, she's towny, but looking towny doesn't always mean the player is town, which is why I think she can be a deepwolf.

this kind of feeling i resonate with strongly

~mitsuha

[Starcrossed]

from SW's iso, clidd looks pretty great. i think he was the designated mislim krazy was going for.

Spoiler:

Italiano and Pink Ball *could* be town off VCA in which case clidd looks very likely to be red

that might be hasty though but it sorta vibes with my gut

Can't decide if clidd is goon already being bussed or the town that scum want to push to disrupt the town narrative

-snip-

Nancy do you still townread clidd?I

-S

-snip-

I would also do clidd I guess.

Olaf if scum would be a huge hit. Clidd is a fine compromise on a vt claim. Pink Ball is probably above rand scum even tho I don't trust myself to read him correctly.

I just wanna sheep your read, whatever it is.

Please let watson handle as much as he can so I can do irl work tho <3

-S

-snip-

TBH a very big part of me wants to snap to clidd just for 4585 and say Noraa was right all along. In fact why don't we just do that?

VOTE: clidd

We're just spinning in fucking circles here Nancy, CALL THE SHOT OR I WILL

from SW's iso, clidd looks pretty great. i think he was the designated mislim krazy was going for.

Italiano and Pink Ball *could* be town off VCA in which case clidd looks very likely to be red

that might be hasty though but it sorta vibes with my gut

Can't decide if clidd is goon already being bussed or the town that scum want to push to disrupt the town narrative

-snip-

Nancy do you still townread clidd?I

-S

-snip-

I would also do clidd I guess.

Olaf if scum would be a huge hit. Clidd is a fine compromise on a vt claim. Pink Ball is probably above rand scum even tho I don't trust myself to read him correctly.

I just wanna sheep your read, whatever it is.

Please let watson handle as much as he can so I can do irl work tho <3

-S

-snip-

TBH a very big part of me wants to snap to clidd just for 4585 and say Noraa was right all along. In fact why don't we just do that?

VOTE: clidd

We're just spinning in fucking circles here Nancy, CALL THE SHOT OR I WILL

ok Pink Ball's town

we're killing clidd

italiano on fey, gunsmith italiano, rolestop me, replacement vanilla cops mastina

lock it in and let's wrap this shit up

vanilla cop will still be important since the vanilla cop claims result before the rest of massclaim

Flip clidd

italiano on fey, gunsmith Akarin, rolestop {pool of S&W and Sarah}, replacement vanilla cops Olaf

Lock?

5uffering slot was going to be on my townlist for that push from krazy/similar reasons to clidd, but i'm suddenly getting cold feet. krazy did step off of here at the end, and 5uffering's AtE was actually mostly one way (with krazy just commenting on some of them) so i don't think there are any interactions which spew the slot town

krazy/5uffering interaction:

Spoiler:

political readslist

Stop this.. I've seen that like five times now and it really is not used in good faith, or even correctly. What does it even mean to be political in a game like Mafia? The game is inherently a form of debate in the first place.

I don't feel like there's much of a narrative here. The only thing that would come close to it is that someone used their ability to skip the night as a squeeze and now you're seeing the repercussions of people who didn't have time to think about their reads.

Explain what you mean about the night skip?

It would've really helped to see what the mafia did or even for TPR to get a chance to do something, but instead the night was skipped and we're forced into an extended D1. Not sure what else to say.

Political readslist = readslist putting people in places other than purely because of reads. It's not like an insult, it's a description of why the reads are placed where they are. Town can be very political with their readslists

That feels like a made up definition. No offense.

That feels like a made up definition. No offense.

Sure, but that is how I'm using the phrase/concept

and this, the original post wasn't addressed to sherlock which could be a common misconception

fuck you and I mean this outside of my game persona

dude

kind of a step off:

I actually feel good about this, I think Italiano has done a very good job faking a townie tone, but I think this is our hit

we can let 5uffering get replaced I guess, can't believe that's the same slot that had Marci...

actually thinking about the double replace I don't know, but I think off setup spec Italiano looks very likely to be scum

maybe another pair of eyes here would be helpful

~mitsuha

[Starcrossed]

olaf is probably town now. krazy shades him a lot, but not in a theatre-y way, i think; the pushes have teeth, and he looks like he's actually trying to discredit him/possibly get him limmed

Spoiler:

tbh if all 8(!) of my preflips are correct then Olaf looks bad

why do you keep shading me
it hurts

I thought the shade would keep you cool and frosty, but then, I guess I should have remembered your favorite season...

I don't like how uneasy olaf's posting on this page is making me...

Fey stop being scummy plz

-S

batsunami if you think 3 people are scum and then they start voting each other as is the case with clidd toogeloo and i
you shouldn't try to fit conclusions to us still being scum and why that means we're bussing or faking 1v1s
you should reconsider your reads and realise that's unlikely

Sorry snowman but this makes my skin crawl

you say such scummy things Sherlock
Fey was even more obvtown after that frustrated roleclaim that she thought would clear her

I made it pretty clear that I still think she's town so this is like, a really bad take olaf

me being annoyed we didn't get a night phase and being annoyed at how she used her role is not the same thing as actually scumreading her

VOTE: olaf

too much conflict between noraa-slot and nancy

nancy where are you on this?

you feel fake this game tbh

if you want to keep pretending to be a stealth alt stop perspective slipping meta takes

also I would say I feel very much the same about you lately

Olaf if scum would be a huge hit. Clidd is a fine compromise on a vt claim. Pink Ball is probably above rand scum even tho I don't trust myself to read him correctly.

I just wanna sheep your read, whatever it is.

Please let watson handle as much as he can so I can do irl work tho <3

-S

~mitsuha

[Starcrossed]

so for the iso read

town: clidd/toog/olaf

scum: WP/?/? i really don't know, i haven't found anything super incriminating in the ISO, maybe i'll ask pooky

reconsider: 5uffering slot

~mitsuha

[Starcrossed]

not related, but i read back through bat's responses wrt us calling out her message. don't think she's scum.

~mitsuha

[Starcrossed]

-snip-

I actually feel good about this, I think Italiano has done a very good job faking a townie tone, but I think this is our hit

we can let 5uffering get replaced I guess, can't believe that's the same slot that had Marci...

actually thinking about the double replace I don't know, but I think off setup spec Italiano looks very likely to be scum

again less likely aligned with 5uffering

why is this "less likely to be aligned with 5uffering"?

~mitsuha

[Starcrossed]

I'm thinking Tweetie might be scum

She is not very solvey :<

[Starcrossed]

*flops ears*

[Starcrossed]

exactly!

the lack of impact and footprint makes me worried

Tweetie what's wrong?

[Starcrossed]

ok Hectic

tell me why I'm scum

[Starcrossed]

that probably has more to do with the toxicity level in this game than anything else.

I mean is anyone having fun right now?

I am like a mirror

I reflect what happens.

If there's good vibes in thread, I am an amplification of those good vibes.

When things get toxic, I end up shutting down or getting even more toxic. I chose to shut down because escalation would make this game even more painful to read than it already is.

[Starcrossed]

I don't know where you're getting the idea that town tweet leaves an impact from, certainly not from any game ive played with you

I would say as scum you leave much less of a footprint/impact on the game than as town.

[Starcrossed]

Hectic what's your read on Tweetie right now?

[Starcrossed]

Kanna's recent posts were actually your best posts this game

well of course

Kanna is the best part of me :3

I'll sheep your locktown read of tweetie

who do you want to kill today?

[Starcrossed]

battle mage isnt that bad if you can talk to him in a nice way

[Starcrossed]

pooky has a particular way of reading me and he has stuck to it beautifully

[Starcrossed]

I think I just miss you.

[Starcrossed]

ok

VOTE: War + Peace

[Starcrossed]

Hectic

Kanna is mad at you

I told her she should let you know what she thinks

but she's TOO NICE

to be mean to you.

So I have to do it instead.

If I have to hear again how we're not townie enough for you.

You're really gonna get it.

[Starcrossed]

kanna does not endorse that opinion

im also driving

this is a driver claim if any
VOTE: starcrossed

ROFL WTF R U TALKING ABOUT

[Starcrossed]

i was literally driving and posting while stopped at a red light you are ridiculous koba

[Starcrossed]

my first thought with dunn's role was that it reminded me of the dichotomy with sherlock's day vig and the night vig, and exactly one was scum. but i suppose that's for another time

Roflmfao. Let me see if I understand this.

-Koba has an actual VANILLA clear on me (despite once again picking an extremely questionable night choice).
-Koba attempted to scan REK but got me instead, and knows they got me because my name was in the result.
-REK died, so the consensus is that SCUM bussed REK and Toogeloo, and shot Toogeloo.
-Despite my clear as being a VANILLA, I must be Mafia Vanilla.
-Which means that for all of this to come together, I SHOT MYSELF last night? (Unless you believe that the Scum Bus Driver multitasked).
-To reiterate, you all believe SCUM SHOT ONE OF THEIR OWN MEMBERS IN ORDER TO KILL REK AFTER BUSSING THEM WITH ME.

There is Moon Logic, and then there is acid-tripping Moon Logic while munching shrooms and drinking Jim Jones kool-aid. This would obviously be the latter.

and this is actually brilliant??

at the risk of looking super scummy if this flips scum, can i just ask is this really a mech guilty though? like, the bus driver is definitely scum, but could they not have driven 2 townies?

@nancy: do you want us to claim? because we will claim. just give us your blessing

~mitsuha

[Starcrossed]

pooky and i also co-read WnP's iso a while ago and some notes:

- morning tweet is totally tmi'd town. look at how CONFIDENT WnP was about them being town, and i think this is the classic case of a towny townie looking ultra super towny when you're scum.
- the early "we wanna kill you," from WnP and then fey's push on WnP reads anti-associative. town
- sam had some weirdly friendly interactions with pyro that looked more like buddying than something you would say to a partner. WnP push also looks good here. town
- saudade scumread feels really fake to me. but i think this one is the one they're actually pushing. so, town. this is pink ball now though

clidd!town spewed by sherlock, Dkkoba is probably town i guess because people thought my theory yesterday was dumb + his play today i don't see coming from scum

Toogeloo/Dunn/Sarah/KidAm i think wins it!

also, happy birthday titus!

~mitsuha

[Starcrossed]

Why is that so crazy, Toog? If you're scum, it protects you from the potential vig, there's clear scum motivation to make a drive like that. And the drive also dodges KidAmn's rolestopper if for whatever reason he had a mason read on REK.

toog that plan you summarized both gives you bulletproof and makes the kill on REK a strongman

-Despite my clear as being a VANILLA, I must be Mafia Vanilla.

I think you're getting vanilla cop mixed up with neapolitan

i guess this theory makes for great scumplay, especially if toog was a potential vig target

i still don't FEEL like this flips scum personally, but it's whatever, the facts are here and the majority thinks so

~mitsuha

[Starcrossed]

at the risk of looking super scummy if this flips scum, can i just ask is this really a mech guilty though? like, the bus driver is definitely scum, but could they not have driven 2 townies?

And what about the rest of their play?

i think their play has been fine. at some points i.e the one where they were like "just execute me," feels good, even. the stuff sherlock said about toog also didn't look partnery, even though it's true that's not enough for a clear

It's not a mech guilty, but it's really likely for it to be scum due to mafia potentially trying to protect from the vig, along with not knowing dkkoba's role would give them the exact person they target and maybe not expecting them to target REK

I think they are worth voting without the information from the redirect

the vig part i agree with, but now that i think about it, i'm concerned about:
- bussing a town!toog with REK also bypasses any protection, cause there's no way toog gets protected
- with how scumread toog was, i could see him getting copped. and koba is a vanilla cop, right, so maybe scum didn't expect them to be told who they copped and wanted to fake guilty him by implying he lied about his vanilla

it's all just about the vig protection. i don't think this is "confscum"

~musk

[Starcrossed]

*flops ears*

Hi Tweetie :3

I like a Sarah/Kidam scumteam for the final 2 baddies.

I should talk to Kanna some more about this game :>

[Starcrossed]

We are

The World Tree

If we die, both stumps are silenced for the following day.

[Starcrossed]

fixed picture link :#

[Starcrossed]

Targetted olaf yesterday, message succeeded. Today is a work in progress, more info on that later

*flops ears*


Kanna says she put a present in 5653 for you.

[Starcrossed]

We are a one shot vig and we killed Sherlock + Watson on Night 1


it's kind of ironic since he was also a vig!

[Starcrossed]

I meant Night 2 since we skipped Night 1

you guys know what I mean anyway :3

[Starcrossed]

thank GOD we're conftown so pyro's game-long shitpush on us can come to an end. i'm taking a v/la, but i agree with the consensus POE. the points clidd makes in 6208 onwards makes me feel good about voting sarah today

{fey} mechtown
{morning, clidd} highest degree of soultown

{pyro, pink ball} town, but there's chance of scum here
{dunn, kidd} kind of... towny? but POE

{sarah} lack of towniness

~mitsuha

[Starcrossed]

Kanna: I've been saying it since I repped in, they're town and I'm great reading her. This is conftown so I'm not even bothering.

yayyyy!

~mitsuha

[Starcrossed]

Oh forgot to say: Dunn townslipped early game, that's why I've been calling him town practically since I repped in. Now's a good time to say it since now almost everyone have him as a townread and scum is not getting rid of him

where did he townslip?

~mitsuha

[Starcrossed]

I also hardtownread Kanna

~Taki