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I know what he's saying. I'm asking why he's saying it.In post 25, Invisibility wrote:
he's saying its NAI because it was just memeingIn post 22, Shoshin wrote:Hey Skitter, why are you defending Math? Do you think he's town for that opening?- Shoshin
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Math's proposal obviously wasn't "serious," it's RVS, but that doesn't change the fact that his suggestion was pro-scum and that made it a decent place to vote to get discussion going.
I'm not sure what to make of Skitter's response. I find it a bit scummy that he'd jump on the obvious while refusing to admit that his comment defended Math. And his hostility towards my desire to build a wagon instead of splitting votes is odd.- Shoshin
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I strongly disagree with this. It wasn't my best game but I wasn't mislynched because I was bad, I was mislynched because a townie who believed I was town investigated me guilty and there wasn't anything I could do to convince players who thought I my behaviors were town to ignore the result. If Mumble had claimed jailkeeper, that game could have gone very differently.In post 44, Mathdino wrote:The point is Shoshin was mislynched for being bad at town- Shoshin
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If Mumble had claimed, it would have explained the guilty result away. Then maybe I wouldn't have been mislynched. And I was voting Havo (scum) at that point in the game, so who knows? It could have been a very different game if not for Mumble trying to be a lone hero.In post 49, Invisibility wrote:wait weren't you VT that game?
i think that losing a VT is better than losing a Jailkeeper- Shoshin
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One game isn't a meta. Everyone has bad games, and that includes you, me, and anyone else who plays mafia.In post 59, Mathdino wrote:
Sho: "*Votes Dino*, I can catch scum in the first couple pages"In post 56, Shoshin wrote:I'm not sure what to make of Math's attempt to discredit my play when he's never even interacted with me before. Anyone play with him before and know what he's like as town/scum?
Me: "Your town meta disagrees, here's another one for the ages"- Shoshin
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I wasn't saying I caught scum in you, nor was I bragging about my play in this game or Tropical. I was responding to Keyser's confusion that I'd start hunting so soon by explaining why I do it.In post 62, Mathdino wrote:Which is why I don't claim I often catch scum this early
You may be good at town but youre bragging prematurely- Shoshin
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That's how Invis plays.In post 65, Momrangal wrote:Cuz what I see is active lurking already happening.- Shoshin
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There's similarities and differences.In post 71, GeminiTwin12 wrote:@Shoshin, does Invis have the same play as mafia as well?- Shoshin
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I got nothing yet. You?In post 93, Irrelephant11 wrote:Shoshin, what do you think of Nauci?- Shoshin
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That's a decent vote, but you should join me on Stun!
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Too easy. What don't you like about Math? And what're your thoughts on Stun?In post 102, Nauci wrote:Serious vote though, VOTE: Gamma Emerald for 100% 4/4 fluff posting- Shoshin
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Skitter didn't townread Math. And I didn't really "obsess" over anything. So that's a pretty strange way to read the game.In post 114, stungun0404 wrote:I don’t like the transition here at all; shoshin goes from obsessing over skitter’s townread of mathdino to later asking what there isn’t to like about mathdino’s play; it seems like a very strange transition to make in a matter of hours with no explicit townread or townle on mathdino for the slot, so this makes its way onto my scumdar. These questions seem like their fishing for scummy responses to take advantage of
I asked Skitter some questions and then I asked Naucy some questions. What's the "strange transition"?- Shoshin
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Stun's kinda overreacting and his "scumhunting" in 114 is pretty superficial. Looks like Stun didn't like that I scumread him, decided to scumread me, and then read my posts trying to make a scumread work. Doesn't seem like Stun's actually given my alignment (or Skitter's) much thought, yet somehow comes out townreading Keyser based on Keyser's analysis of my interaction with Skitter? Thoughts?- Shoshin
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I didn't like Stun initially because his town felt really awkward in his opening posts, and after skimming his town games, I felt something was off. His play since has a better tone but that's probably because he's upset about getting voted, so I dunno how to read that. I'm curious what others think.- Shoshin
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What's that?In post 135, Bernie Sanders wrote:The shame is it's too soon for the best wagon we could actually do- Shoshin
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I'm rethinking that read.In post 171, Irrelephant11 wrote:Hot take: Keyser hasn’t done anything towny yet- Shoshin
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What are you confused about? What's random about them?In post 196, Gamma Emerald wrote:Shoshin what are you asking these questions for? They seem a little scatter-shotted.- Shoshin
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I don't know what you mean by "direction." The questions were "directed" at Stun and Math, I'm trying to sort their alignments, and I think the answers to my questions will help me do that. I still don't get what confuses you about "direction" when the questions were about very specific things that Stun and Math have done.In post 198, Gamma Emerald wrote:I don’t see the direction you’re heading with hem.- Shoshin
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He hasn't done anything to give me much of a read yet. I was thinking to sort him through poe since he's lurking and I'm starting to get quite a few townreads.In post 199, Mathdino wrote:My townread ain't recent, it's not a crime to be a trendsetter
I was good by page 8, so I'd like to spend my time better
Than reading some posts when this game has tougher reads
Speaking of which, what's your take on Gamma's deeds?- Shoshin
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Who is Ran?In post 201, Mathdino wrote:skittz, Nauci, NSG and Ran are all avoiding- Shoshin
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What'd you like about that? There's a lot of nothingness in his posts but I'm open to sheeping you if you're seeing something I'm not. I'd really like to meta him at some point because I'm worried he's one of those players who knows how to sound pretty town without actually saying or doing anything meaningful.In post 265, Irrelephant11 wrote:I think 176 was my fav?- Shoshin
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I like to lynch scum on D1 and anything less feels like a failure to me.
Bernie's tough to read. Lots of nothingness but there's a hint of town in the way he helped me pressure Stun but then switched onto Invis because he couldn't maintain the farce. Even if Bernie's really strong as scum, I'm not sure he'd express that sentiment while switching his vote onto obvious lynchbait. So probably not lynching Bernie today.
I'm varying degrees of town on Math, Invis, Key, Mom, and Irrelephant. Stun's a weaker read but for the moment happy to put aside. So I'm thinking we need to sort out Gamma, NSG, Skitter, Nauci, and the worst.- Shoshin
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Funny, I was thinking maybe we should get everyone's claim today to give the scum a fighting chance.In post 268, Bernie Sanders wrote:as a side note I also think d1 is the "play not-to-lose" Day where as long as you don't do something very stupid like run up everyones claims, do get a ton of commitment/stances down from everyone on everything, and lynch a mixture of the scummiest of the low/moderate-value/ lowest value of the scummiest you have a decent start and are well set up- Shoshin
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Yes, that's part of it. Also:In post 270, Bernie Sanders wrote:
why exactly for the record?In post 215, Shoshin wrote:Even if you don't like the way Invis posts, 158, 168, and 169 should clear him. I highly doubt he'd make either of these as scum.
I'm only saying this because it reminds me of when I townread lovebird one time for somewhat comparable townread/paranoia/elsewhere progression (except it was harder; my thought was why bother faking that strange progression?)
158 shows a very clear and natural thought process for town to have - "oh, Sho is town but I disagree with her because it looks like it's more of a misunderstanding" - but it's also a thought process that's pretty foreign to scum and not easy to fake. Scum usually express agreement with someone when townreading them, or disagreement when scumreading. But disagreement coupled with townreading in a situation where that's a perfectly natural thought process is pretty difficult to fake.
168 shows some natural second-guessing that town tend to have in these types of situations.
169 reflects some of the thoughts I was having about Gemini at the time and that I'm sure a lot of town would have when figuring out who to vote. I think scum would have jumped onto someone that was already being voted at this point instead of pursuing something new.- Shoshin
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Talking about Key? I get why thinking about the game in terms of what's possible instead of what's probable feels scummy, but coupled with Key's genuinely inquisitive tone it actually feels pretty town to me. I also thought he was genuinely confused by my early play in a way that scum wouldn't openly admit, and I also get the sense that Key was genuinely excited about getting into the scumhunting part of the game so quickly.In post 274, the worst wrote:initial ping was his treatment of Shoshin thru rvs/early game. also got the feeling he's avoiding town hunting and leaving avenues open for later. haven't really seen anything in there that screams town to me so far.- Shoshin
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Also, this feels town. Yes, scum fake this sort of thing. But Key? Unlikely.In post 208, Keyser Söze wrote:I am very happy I am not being mass town read (so kinda liking Irrelephant11’s against-the-grind suspicion).- Shoshin
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Math's post where he agreed with my townread on Key was very townie in light of our interactions up to that point, particularly the "hate to admit" language. That emotion, "fuck, I can't believe I agree with this guy whose play I've just spent a few posts attacking," is pretty hard to fake and suggests that Math's read was genuine, not the result of an informed perspective. And his townread on Stun followed pretty naturally from the townread on Key. There's other things but those two are more than enough to townread Math. - Shoshin
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