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To me it reads as a post I would make if I was tired vs an unnatural post. I see where you are coming from thoIn post 58, tenebrousluminary wrote:VOTE: Datisi
Post 39 feels unnatural to me.
Frogsterking, you may need to do some research on what to expect from this game.- Cape90
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I would say this is the greatest observation that I have ever seen, thanks a lot for contributingIn post 66, Yeet wrote:I can guarantee at least one scum has posted.- Cape90
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I would assume you are the type of player who wants opinions on scumreads versus building a town circle. I understand this correctly?In post 207, DeasVail wrote:Why is that worth discussing? If Frogsterking is town should we not then be discussing other things?
I was going to assume someone was going to ask why I thought Frogsterking was town.
It is because of 24 which is a thought I almost can guarantee wouldn't be a post mafia would make. They wouldn't have such an idea.- Cape90
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what's the correlation between that and voting fireisredsir?
They also never voted you over disliking your tenebro vote- Cape90
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Frogster, you know this post means absolutely nothing right? Like you literally made it mean nothingIn post 150, Frogsterking wrote:
136 noted for being potentially a town tell, a scum tell, or both!In post 136, GeneralWu wrote:
Maybe she just thought that other players would see the same things she did, but it turned out that they didn't.In post 131, Yeet wrote:
The point was not that she suggested his posts are NAI - that is what I expect town skitter to do. And I’m sure she knew that part, regardless of what her alignment is. The point is that she started it with disbelief that he was getting pressure from players who don’t know him, knowing full well that she is using her experience with Datisi to sort him.In post 125, GeneralWu wrote:I don't think skitter is scummy for saying what she did about Datisi.
It sounds pretty normal to me. While not everyone here is completely familiar with Datisi's playstyle, I don't think it's scummy for skitter to suggest that Datisi's posts are NAI.
She saw an opportunity to make a read (fake content) that she would as town and slipped up in how she presented it.- Cape90
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you didnt ask but your post caught my eyeIn post 152, DeasVail wrote:skitter, what did you think of 123?
I felt it was hedgy in a not scummy way, or a too scummy way. Either way a lightly towny way- Cape90
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this is the most effort filled and incredibly analysis of the situation I have ever seen... the sheer amount of thought and consideration that has gone into making this robust and thought provoking assessment is worthy of the highest honours bestowed upon those in the field of thought.In post 178, Frogsterking wrote:Okay following 163 I feel compelled to share wu is a townlean for me unironically.
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If you all want a real reason to think that GeneralWu is town that isn't the Amine thing, I would have to suggest thisIn post 74, GeneralWu wrote:
That's a bad idea.In post 64, Yeet wrote:I also wouldn’t mind getting Datisi hammered soon.
Hammering people very early on is bad because we have less time to discuss and we're probably defenstrating a townie.- Cape90
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This is where I am at right now. I think I have too many town reads
town:
Frogsterking - 24, 71, 135, 194, 150
light town:
skitter30 - 33. 67. 172 bottom part sticks out a lot
Aristeia - 218 felt genuine. Voting monkey is good .
fireisredsir - 197 seems to take 178 a little too for granted. 87.
DeasVail - 110, 152, 168 for this last one, I think trying to randomly convince another person of a townread you have is town+.
GeneralWu
null:
Datisi (I will try again later idk),
light mafia:
tenebrousluminary - 116 just has a tone about it that I think looks not so great.
mafia:
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I think this sort of lecturing usually just comes from town. I know it's basic mafiaIn post 250, fua wrote:
That’s basic mafia 101 though. Not worth a TR to say especially since someone else is gonna say it anyway.In post 240, Cape90 wrote:
If you all want a real reason to think that GeneralWu is town that isn't the Amine thing, I would have to suggest thisIn post 74, GeneralWu wrote:
That's a bad idea.In post 64, Yeet wrote:I also wouldn’t mind getting Datisi hammered soon.
Hammering people very early on is bad because we have less time to discuss and we're probably defenstrating a townie.- Cape90
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I don't like this read.In post 272, fua wrote:Looking back at it 265 is some of the LAMIST stuff I’ve ever seen.
Oh whats that, I missed a lot of posts?
Welp
Guess i am in readsville- Cape90
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I am starting to turn around on this slotIn post 318, tenebrousluminary wrote:VOTE: fua
This person chose to pick a fight with me because they perceived me as a weak player they could win an argument against, but their attack did not make sense. Furthermore, in the bottom of 266, they treat me like they know I am town.
I don't like the way Datisi focused on nitpicking rather than the substance of Nero Cain's argument.In post 304, Datisi wrote:some people not mentioned in your list haven't even posted?? excuse me for asking i guess
class starting back again, cheers- Cape90
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FalseIn post 348, Datisi wrote:206 makes me like fire and dislike frogs, mostly the townread on generalwu for those posts is questionable
both players look good off of that post.
Fire doesn't see it as a sort of joke read as I initially did.
Frogs somehow justifies this read GeneralWu as like "Huh do you mind elaborating why maf have more motivation to make friends than town?" which feels like such a stretch that it just wounds up being a towny stretch.- Cape90
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That's literally a copypasta T.TIn post 351, Datisi wrote:is 234 townie? probably not. do i wanna townread it anyway? yeah.
if i didn't know who monkey was, i'd scumread the shit out of that slot - but unless he has massively fallen out of shape, i'm just puzzled at his play here.- Cape90
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Man, I haven't had a lot of opinions on what Nero has said up to this point.In post 406, Nero Cain wrote:
its 9 days till dl and there's still a good chunk of players that haven't posted. Seems a lil' early to talk wagon consolidation, no?In post 400, Aristeia wrote:well I see a bunch of people who have tene/hem as scumreads and I think its better to consolidate pressure on one of them rather than split and have things go slower.
And then I see this, and this isn't it- Cape90
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what? noIn post 421, Nero Cain wrote:Wu is not a real wagon she says.
Even if you disagree with it its the leading wagon (I presume)
just let things form organicly
Exactly my thoughts.In post 422, Aristeia wrote:why would i not push for the people i think are scummy to be wagoned rather than "let things form organicly"?
As far as I can tell, Nero never responded to this- Cape90
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Okay I am going to be honest, I didn't want to admit this.In post 457, DeasVail wrote:
Not especially. I was puzzled more because I did not think calling Frogsterking town was a particularly controversial statement.In post 215, Cape90 wrote:
I would assume you are the type of player who wants opinions on scumreads versus building a town circle. I understand this correctly?In post 207, DeasVail wrote:Why is that worth discussing? If Frogsterking is town should we not then be discussing other things?
But I thought when I joined somehow the thread was still at page 1. I was like "why has nobody posted for an hour?"
Okay? It's not that many posts. Also why has Nordom made the same exact post?In post 486, Eyes without a face wrote:GOOD GOD. Twenty pages already?
Nordom literally did the same thing that Eyes is doing and you decide to go one over the other? Like, yeah, it is kinda a scummy thing to do, but you aren't going to question it?
So why are you not scum, this isn't convincing me at all.In post 504, humaneatingmonkey wrote:
it's a bullshit readslist that pinged me and it deserves more attention. what deserves even more attention is the way she OMGUSed me when I called her out on it.In post 501, Eyes without a face wrote:
OK.. so I take it that I'm the worst player then, because while everyone is discerning reads I have no concrete feelings so far (in page 9) that I don't think I'd vote or defend anyone if my life depended on it.In post 208, Aristeia wrote:here is my way too early vibe list:
good vibes:
yeet, frogster, fire, skitter, datisi, std
neutrali:
gwu, cape90, deasvail,
badvibes:
tenebro, monkey
Hey look another one of those scumtells I like using in my head, look at that. It would be preferrable if like... you actually tried to do something outside of respond to Artesia. 514 Okay if you dont want to that's fine too.In post 508, humaneatingmonkey wrote:even the "absence" and "ghosting" that she claims i did was another one of those accusations you make as scum because you have nothing else as ammo.
dude, it's been barely a day.
what is a pretty open question? What does that read even mean?In post 523, VP Baltar wrote:I just finished reading through page 10, so I'm still in catch up. Here is kind of what I have for reads out of that so far:
Town:
Frogsterking- early attack on Yeet over game delay is tinfoil I'd expect from town FK
Yeet- wild noob read after wild noob read. Somewhat question if Yeet is not an alt though, in which case maybe this means nothing.
fireisredsir- has independent thought, calling out post 116 as bad is good. Also seems to not mind poking people, which I appreciate.
skitter30- Kind of like their pressure on Datisi, but think the over defense of tenesbro is unwarranted. This is probably closer to a null read than a townread in terms of confidence, but I like that she is mixing it up.
Cape90- probably town for finding frogster town and asking pretty open questions.
Ari- I like her pressure and vote on monkey when he was being kind of ridiculous.
Null:
DeasVail- commenting, but not doing a ton. Maybe lean townish.
Scum:
fua- I find the hard scum read of tenesbro a little contrived, and possibly piling on to a popular opinion in thread.
monkey- The whole intereaction with ari looks like monkey got over confident with a poke and couldn't explain the position.
This begs the question of then do you think all 3 are mafia based off of this?In post 524, fireisredsir wrote:have kind of a hard time believing that monkey really thinks there's no way ari and datisi can be town here. this aggressive posturing feels a bit bluff-y to me- Cape90
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when you and monkey are both mafia this comment makes sense .In post 539, Nordom wrote:I'm not reading Monkey as scum. He's been pretty abrasive and loose, but I don't think get a maf vibe from.
I am glad Monkey posted 548 it really goes to show how they are literally not playing the game in town's best interests.
In post 26, Save The Dragons wrote:FirstIn post 370, Save The Dragons wrote:Town
Frogsterking
Nero Cain
DeasVail
fua
fireisredsir
VP Baltar
Yeet
Null
Scorpious
MalcolmTucker
Datisi
skitter30
Eyes without a face
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VOTE: tenebroIn post 402, Save The Dragons wrote:
my list isn't ordered my badIn post 391, Nero Cain wrote:STD has Wu as the 3rd scummistIn post 418, Save The Dragons wrote:
hahaIn post 405, tenebrousluminary wrote:
Would you like to explain any of your opinions, Sir Knight?In post 402, Save The Dragons wrote:
my list isn't ordered my badIn post 391, Nero Cain wrote:STD has Wu as the 3rd scummistIn post 442, Save The Dragons wrote:
i want pressure on you mostly, it's a gut read and i want to see how you respondIn post 434, tenebrousluminary wrote:Could you at least explain why you want to extinguish my beautiful light, Sir Knight?
It is difficult to assess the motivations of votes against me, as Mx. Oboro says I must, if no motivation is provided.Someone towncase Save The Dragons as well. This is the entirety of their content so far.
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Nordom?In post 659, Nero Cain wrote:Who wants to flip a 2022 join date?!?- Cape90
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Okay coach. Make sure to tell him in your little "neighborhood"In post 740, Nordom wrote:Wu needs to step the fuck up and start contributing to the game.- Cape90
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Good ol mindmeldIn post 1222, Nero Cain wrote:
thats who I was talking about when I said that.In post 1221, Cape90 wrote:
Nordom?In post 659, Nero Cain wrote:Who wants to flip a 2022 join date?!?- Cape90
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I do scum read you,In post 845, Nordom wrote:Cape, is there a reason my name was used for a point of reference? You scum-read me or something?
Just saying this out into the openIn post 754, Nordom wrote:If Datisi's replies in a satisfactory manner, I'm switching my vote to VP.
...okayIn post 801, Nordom wrote:What, "easy to get a town tell from"? I already explained. It's the type of shit that I would and have pulled as town before. MafiaScum is not my first forum mafia rodeo.
some stuff about liking reads and disagreeing with reads which is kinda just easy content to make up.
Also you defend pretty much everyone who I feel has been scummy this game lol- Cape90
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I feel like mafia would defiantly try and fake that sort of thingIn post 888, VP Baltar wrote:
I mean open minded questions. You don't seem to have an agenda in what you're asking, more trying to determine why people are doing the things they are doing.In post 842, Cape90 wrote:what is a pretty open question? What does that read even mean?- Cape90
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nope, doesnt look like itIn post 1228, fua wrote:Yeah, my pronouns aren't showing up. I don't think anyone's are.- Cape90
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this line automatically comes with the assumption that VT Baltar is wolf, do you feel this way?In post 921, Datisi wrote:because i know how much you wanna fool me
You just voted Nordom earlier for... well they did a wolfy thing for sure. But I am just wondering- Cape90
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I think the first argument is flawed because wagons, especially day 1 get popular for a reason. Also pressuring top wagons is also literally pro town as it could help you actually determine who the mafia actually are between these wagons so...In post 935, Datisi wrote:"datisi is going for popular wagons of wu and monkey"
"that's wrong, i was going after tene and skitt, and i was the first on both of those wagons. and, i specifically said monkey's posting doesn't make him town, and i commented about wu *after being asked to*, so what you on about?"
"datisi failed spectacularly"
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Both I believe are a bit strange for different reasons, definitely would flip Nord over Wu, but I do kinda think Wu just kinda has been a nonpresence in the game.In post 1242, MathBlade wrote:
VOTE: CapeIn post 1224, Cape90 wrote:
Okay coach. Make sure to tell him in your little "neighborhood"In post 740, Nordom wrote:Wu needs to step the fuck up and start contributing to the game.
This seems sus for reasoning I think the foundation for will be apparent. Not sure how to explain it yet but I am hoping my wording will evolve into something people can understand.- Cape90
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and which convo was this exactly?In post 1006, Save The Dragons wrote:nordom is town for his interaction with deasvail- Cape90
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You know what, I like youIn post 1250, MathBlade wrote:
You’re never flipping me, ever. You’d have more luck flipping the mod or selling for a loss in the US real estate market.In post 1246, Cape90 wrote:
Both I believe are a bit strange for different reasons, definitely would flip Nord over Wu, but I do kinda think Wu just kinda has been a nonpresence in the game.In post 1242, MathBlade wrote:
VOTE: CapeIn post 1224, Cape90 wrote:
Okay coach. Make sure to tell him in your little "neighborhood"In post 740, Nordom wrote:Wu needs to step the fuck up and start contributing to the game.
This seems sus for reasoning I think the foundation for will be apparent. Not sure how to explain it yet but I am hoping my wording will evolve into something people can understand.- Cape90
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when you put it in this order it made sense, however, then I realized the quoted posts were completely out of order and all posted around the same time with the last post being the actual first post, which threw me for a loop.In post 1139, MalcolmTucker wrote:In post 712, Yeet wrote:Datisi is the leading wagon I believe despite taking up a lot of space and actually playing the game. To my understanding No one townreads him except one person who knows him more intimately than others, it seems. He is not a polarizing slot as much as a universally southnull slot.
Wu seems to blend into the background more with less content/words ratio.
Monkey is a more polarizing slot rather than purely getting flak. I could be biased since I was one of the monkey defenders.In post 715, Yeet wrote:I think we should mount the pressure on Datisi sooner rather than later.
Let’s get some wagons going, guys. I don’t want to stall around all day and move last minute and scramble when we can just go sheep sheep sheep.
Re Yeet - I don't think they've been particularly scummy yet and their early assertions felt bold for a mafia who'd want to blend in, but this sequence of posts was really, really bad. At one moment claiming Datisi is the most heavily suspected player and then in the next post claiming not enough pressure is going on them. Which is it?In post 708, Yeet wrote:It is interesting that Datisi is pretty much universally very unpopular today (except in Aristeia’s eyes, but I worry she may be biased. Nevertheless I am still keeping her opinion very much in mind because I presume she knows him well).
Is he normally this unpopular at gamestart?
I do note Yeet's not posted at all since this sequence either. I dunno, if Yeet is mafia then they may have felt they went in too heavily in the early stages and want to sit back later. Although it could be more of a timezone thing depending on when they post, but that's around 17 hours now.
But now that I understand the post, I think what yeet's progression is kinda peculiar there.- Cape90
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Did bussing ever cross your mindIn post 1378, Nero Cain wrote:you think he's scum- Cape90
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Would you consider this a bad thing?In post 1380, fireisredsir wrote:like we're less than 48 hours in. yea there's been a lot of pages, but there's really barely been anything that you could truly call a wagon- Cape90
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why notIn post 1426, MathBlade wrote:And monkey was painted to be scummy but wasn’t- Cape90
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Nothing scummy in the ISO...In post 1494, MathBlade wrote:
Because he’s a mason he can’t be scumIn post 1492, Cape90 wrote:
why notIn post 1426, MathBlade wrote:And monkey was painted to be scummy but wasn’t
Naturally scum say town are scummy
But there’s nothing scummy in the ISO
lmao.
Maybe easy to say because you weren't here to witness his early game- Cape90
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anything in particular that made you word this post like this? I'm not sure I understand what the town part in there is supposed to sayIn post 1510, MathBlade wrote:viewtopic.php?f=2&t=88600&user_select%5B%5D=29653
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Encouraged by what?
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I am not super sure what exactly makes me so town to you, especially coming from a slot who's opinions I do not at all recall on my slot.
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yeah, I would say it has a lot of generalizations, and for more then 1000 posts into the game, it does concern me a little bit. I think fua has looked okay thoughIn post 1591, DeasVail wrote:but I must say the readslist in 1063 strikes me as being a lot of words but doesn't actually give me a strong idea of why your reads are what they are.- Cape90
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So Nero, you seem pretty locked into the fact that:In post 1598, Nero Cain wrote:
i mean he's prob scum .In post 1582, humaneatingmonkey wrote:
this exchange just feels so wrongIn post 910, VP Baltar wrote:
I started with the full list of names at the start of my catch up and was slotting them into those piles as I was going along and getting feelings one way or the other. So while I had a null category, by the time I finished read I was kind of tired and didn't feel like writing out WHY I felt null on a bunch of people still (including you), I just knew I wasn't ready to make an alignment call on those people yet.In post 909, Datisi wrote:@baltar, is there a reason why you did not include me in the early readslist? i see you have a null category, and pretty sure i had posted at the time
1. there are 2 scum in our neighborhood
2. That I am town versus skitter and VP Baltar even though I definitely feel like I have done less then both.
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I have no idea how you all even come up with this stuffIn post 1709, fireisredsir wrote:
ok i was gonna make fun of this cause it doesn't say anything about whether she gets "pings" as maf, but instead i decided to just go check some recent gamesIn post 1679, MathBlade wrote:
It’s a word tell.In post 1669, Datisi wrote:
what does this mean?In post 1666, MathBlade wrote:Like Skitter hasn’t had a “ping” she gets pings. It’s weird.
and like, the rest of your post could be easily explained by different circumstances that precedent, especially for what i imagine happened in the mason pt, but
idk if i have it in me rn to argue
Skitter gets “pings” when town.
I don’t see that here for her
slaughter hour (maf): 0 pings, 350 posts
open 841 (town): 11 pings, 1073 posts
micro 1035 (town): 3 pings, 295 posts
mini 2254 (town): 1 ping, 77 posts
mini 2247 (maf): 1 ping, 130 hydra posts
mini normal 2224 (maf): 0 pings, 50 posts
open 779 (town): 7 pings, 305 posts
this game: 1 ping, 130 posts
so maybe she does actually get pings less as maf. but her pings per post (ppp) as town is like 1 per 100 posts and she's kinda on pace with that so idk if it's conclusive. but this was fun at least
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By extension, doesn't this literally fit in with the argument against Aristeia in 217, 219, 223, 224, 227, 229, 231, 233, 504, 510 etc, etc.?In post 1616, Nero Cain wrote:Ari is scum and when asked to explain their reads throws a hisssy fit? I kinda think that scum would have reacted in a more "pro-town" manner. + that whole "u fell into my trap!" just seems so...silly. Isn't pooky supposed to be really good? b/c this doesn't really look it to me.- Cape90
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I feel kind meh on this read, especially since it kinda just has to do with stuff that would be readily observable to those "not in the know". I usaully see this sort of thing brought up later, but I mean, I guess we are kinda deep into this gameIn post 1623, Datisi wrote:i also don't think she'd have much of a reason to defend me if she were scum since she sometimes misreads town!me, so not like i had a bop on her or anything- Cape90
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excuse me whatIn post 1764, Frogsterking wrote:IMO this is a policy lim and Math and Ari are most likely TvT.- Cape90
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I wish I could just like, do thatIn post 2183, MathBlade wrote:I am on the spectrum so much as I wish I was NT I sometimes notice certain patterns. I have to care about pings for my job. So using the word ping stands out to me. Kinda like a little I look forward to it.- Cape90
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I'm reading through teet right now. I think this post encapsulates why I am not seeing yeet as scummy. They seem genuine.In post 2297, Yeet wrote:I feel that I am being very transparent and open with my thought process and I have answered anxieties about me adequately.- Cape90
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I think that 2101 is an odd thing to comment on about the hood that they are not even a part of. Maybe they are trying to cool the discussion of this or just flat out know all 4 of us are town. Either way it feels like pretty empty speculation.
VOTE: GeneralWu
Latest postings from Eyes has been decent. I kinda like the double down on a... very meh post admittedly in 2427. I also kinda like 2404. I think General is a stronger vote then this and definitely Yeet- Cape90
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this also looks like a WIFOM attempt at a frame job if General flips redIn post 1604, GeneralWu wrote:Also, fireisredsir defended me for a time, right?- Cape90
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There is also this which is pretty similar and is a bit generalized tooIn post 1488, GeneralWu wrote:
You know, I think this might mean that some people defending me are scum.In post 1483, MathBlade wrote:I think you are scum as people are defending you by attacking me versus explaining why they TR you. - Cape90
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